[00:00] <FFF1> I have a Nintendo DS that only supports WEP or open encryption and cannot connect AD-hoc.
[00:00] <occ> now it says unallocated 91.6gb,, dev/sda2 extended 2gb,,, unallocated 2gb... yeh i have pressed the green button and the operations completed
[00:00] <mastershake> hey everyone
[00:00] <FFF1> I have a TP-LinkWN722N that can connect it to the internet under WPA2
[00:00] <FFF1> and that is successful
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> occ, excellent now delet the extended you have to put your cursor right on its edge
[00:01] <FFF1> however only DSi compatible and 3DS games can connect
[00:01] <FFF1> all the older games are SoL
[00:02] <OerHeks> FFF1 set your ubuntu wifi connection to WEP too, and you will be fine
[00:02] <occ> ok i have deleted extended.... now it just says "unallocated 93gb"
[00:02] <FFF1> it doesnt like to save the connection to WEP for some reason.
[00:02] <FFF1> i am connected via modem to get internet to my computer via etherenet cable
[00:03] <wilee-nilee> occ, Cool so lets remake the partition table just so we can rule that out. Click device and then click create new partition table, and choose msdos if asked.
[00:03] <oemer> are there file managers with miller columns? dolphin droped its columns view some time ago, I'm looking for an alternative.
[00:03] <occ> ok
[00:04] <occ> ok i created a partition table and clicked apply... it looks the same though
[00:04] <mastershake> i just installed 13.04 32bit onto my chromebook, and tab-completion isnt working for some reason, is this normal or how can i fix it?
[00:04] <wilee-nilee> occ, Once that is all done and you still see unallocated for the whole HD, you can close gparted and try the install to the HD again.
[00:04] <occ> ok
[00:05] <pragmaticenigma> FFF1: You cannot connect you DS to your computer that way.  The DS does not support Ad-HOC mode which what you would have to setup the computer to share the internet connection with the DS
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> occ, Should install hopefully no errors or crashes.
[00:05] <broo_> hello
[00:05] <occ> hopefully
[00:05] <FFF1> it works on WPA2 though. i dont understand
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> occ, If you have a problem again we can run the smartdisc check on the HD to make sure it is good.
[00:06] <pragmaticenigma> FFF1: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28760663/can-i-connect-my-nintendo-ds-lite-to-the-internet-using-an-ad-hoc-network
[00:06] <derp> sup bitches
[00:06] <reisio> suppah
[00:06] <mastershake> sup brah
[00:06] <occ> ok wilee... sounds like a good plan
[00:06] <occ> im running installer now
[00:07] <tones> sup frat brohs
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> me thanks freenode for ignore
[00:07] <reisio> IdleOne: thanks freenode
[00:07] <reisio> FFF1: so what's the problem?
[00:08] <FFF1> what is the bare mininum router to get this to connect? i am dual booted win7 / ubuntu
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> FFF1: You will be able to use and router manufactured that still supports WEP (which are very hard to find)
[00:09] <reisio> are they?
[00:10] <OerHeks> FFF1 maybe disable wpa2 in the router itself, set to wep only?
[00:10] <reisio> all the cheapest routers you can get at any walmart do wep
[00:10] <noobuntu> hello
[00:10] <pragmaticenigma> reisio: We call them Sheep
[00:10] <OerHeks> FFF1 and delete the wireless setting first
[00:10] <reisio> just realize that anybody nearby who wants to leech your connection is going to be able to
[00:10] <reisio> pragmaticenigma: :)
[00:10] <reisio> noobuntu: ohio
[00:11] <FFF1> *unplugs connection when not using NDS. problem solved
[00:11]  * reisio headdesks
[00:12] <philwong> I am trying to install button but the "continue" button is greyed
[00:12] <philwong> I want to install it alongside windows
[00:12] <oemer> is running an old dolphin version with a new kde/ubuntu version possible?
[00:12] <mastershake> can someone help me for a moment im a bit confused
[00:12] <reisio> philwong: probably waiting for you to select something
[00:12] <philwong> I did
[00:13] <reisio> oemer: technically, but why
[00:13] <mastershake> im running 13.04 on a chromebook and tab completion isnt working for some reason?
[00:13] <reisio> philwong: hit tab and try again
[00:13] <reisio> mastershake: in what, a term?
[00:13] <Jonii_> Hey, a quick question
[00:13] <reisio> Jonii_: gogogogo
[00:13] <pragmaticenigma> FFF1: What I have done in the past when WEP is the only option.  I setup a second router with WEP enabled and hardware locked to the MAC address of the device(s) I want to connect. Hook the WAN port of the second router to one of the LAN ports of the first router and you should be good to go
[00:13] <mastershake> reisio: yes
[00:13] <Jonii_> Ubuntu comes with Transmission as default Torrent client
[00:13] <reisio> mastershake: how are you trying to use it
[00:13] <reisio> Jonii_: not a question, nice try!
[00:14] <philwong> still not clickable
[00:14] <mastershake> and the up arrow prints out ^[[A instead of the last command i entered
[00:14] <reisio> mastershake: smack all your windows/meta/alt/ctrl/shift/tab/fn/lock keys a few times and try again
[00:14] <FFF1> yeah i dont use a router or have one at the moment
[00:14] <SmallR2002> pragmaticenigma: might be a good idea to VLAN that port off too
[00:14] <Jonii_> How come Transmission seems to be the single most awful Torrent client ever, managing to slow down, gray out and otherwise sabotage with heavy processor load even the fastest computers
[00:14] <philwong> it has an X beside "has atleast 4.3gb available"
[00:14] <FFF1> do i need t obuy two?
[00:14] <philwong> maybe that has something to do with it
[00:14] <reisio> philwong: maybe :)
[00:14] <philwong> BUt I have plenty of space
[00:14] <reisio> Jonii_: :)
[00:14] <reisio> Jonii_: try deluge
[00:14] <philwong> I want to use some of the windows partition
[00:15] <reisio> Jonii_: might be that your connection is great and your disk is very slow, making for intense i/o
[00:15] <mastershake> reisio: im tyring to complete directory names with the tab key instead of typing out the entire extenstion
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> SmallR2002: If the router supported it.  Otherwise just make sure the two networks aren't using the same subnet and there are no routing tables setup to connect the two
[00:15] <reisio> philwong: that would take some resizing, which is not 100% safe
[00:15] <Jonii_> I don't use torrents too often, so I've dealt with it before, but now I'm about to go find a better client, I just want to make sure the fault really lies with Transmission, not some freak bug that exists on both my Ubuntu setups
[00:15] <reisio> mastershake: smack all your windows/meta/alt/ctrl/shift/tab/fn/lock keys a few times and try again
[00:15] <philwong> reisio: doesn't ubuntu already do this?
[00:15] <Jonii_> reisio: 5400HDD and a SSD
[00:15] <reisio> Jonii_: I doubt it does, but you'll probably like deluge more regardless
[00:15] <philwong> I thought it had an option of installing ubuntu side by side with windows
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> Jonii_: what is the "bug" that you are encountering with Transmission?
[00:16] <SmallR2002> pragmaticenigma: dd-wrt might solve all of the above problems
[00:16] <reisio> Jonii_: transmission fits with the "weeeee let's be like Mac OS" theme Ubuntu has lately, which is probably why they chose it
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> SmallR2002: If the router supports it
[00:16] <reisio> philwong: I don't recall, I doubt it, as I said, because resizing things is not 100% safe
[00:16] <reisio> philwong: you can however resize manually from the install image, by choosing 'try ubuntu' and using gparted, IIRC
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> Jonii_: Best thing to do is try another one.  Perhaps Deluge is an option (similar to uTorrent)
[00:17] <Jonii_> pragmaticenigma: i have vastly overpowered machines on my use, processor power like 10 times what i would need, very fast mass data storage devices, and using transmission to download anything just makes any computer kneel and give up under the tremendous workload
[00:17] <reisio> philwong: there's another ubuntu installation method historically, wubi, that will install Ubuntu on the actual Windows FS, but I wouldn't recommend it
[00:17] <reisio> pragmaticenigma: CTRL+SHIFT+u, b5, ENTER :D
[00:17] <reisio> way easier than typing 'u'
[00:18] <reisio> Jonii_: what type of hard disk?
[00:18] <Jonii_> I've found it amusing how a simple software can do that, but before switching, I just wanted to make sure, was transmission really just an awful piece of software, or is there a rational explanation for its behavior?
[00:18] <pragmaticenigma> I'll have to take your word for it reisio
[00:18] <reisio> Jonii_: I doubt it's really that awful, but you'll probably like deluge more regardless
[00:18] <reisio> pragmaticenigma: you know you want to type it
[00:19] <pragmaticenigma> not so much i'm affraid
[00:19] <pragmaticenigma> the key sequence wouldn't translate through SSH properly anyways
[00:20] <reisio> oh, downer
[00:20] <Jonii_> reisio: it took me 10 minutes to stop a torrent from loading. Starting that torrent sabotaged my internet connection and computer so that my browser took minutes to load web pages. I came here to ask about it because Irssi was the only software still responding fast enough to be usable
[00:21] <reisio> Jonii_: I hear you
[00:21] <reisio> don't have a new answer for you
[00:21] <mike_papa> hello. Could anyone guide me through things I can do to minimize Ubuntu's access to SATA drive when it's connected. I have Intel's SSD, which is almost dead (from what I've read it's not that uncommon failure), and it reads just for few moments. More I access the drive, more chance I have it will kind of hung up. Then I need to disconnect it, and connect it again to dump some more data with dd. So basically I need only /dev/sdX, a
[00:21] <mike_papa> nd keep Ubuntu from doing anything else.
[00:22] <reisio> mike_papa: you should probably boot into single user mode or something
[00:22] <reisio> mike_papa: or just boot a live OS
[00:22] <pragmaticenigma> mike_papa: you might want to boot to a command line only mode or use a live cd to make the dump
[00:22] <mike_papa> reisio: It won't stop Ubuntu from reading partition table for example.
[00:23] <pragmaticenigma> mike_papa: that's a basic function of all OS's ... you can't stop it from happening
[00:24] <reisio> mike_papa: a live OS should mostly ignore it until you tell it not to
[00:26] <mike_papa> well. I thought that maybe some kernel attribute at boot would stop system from doing all those things...
[00:26] <reisio> mike_papa: right
[00:28] <mike_papa> I have this bash script that reads dd as long as possible, then it shuts down drive power (using arduino and relay), turns it back again and after "find /dev/sdk" success it dumps again.
[00:28] <mike_papa> Anyway thanks.
[00:35] <uhelp> mike_papa: you might be able to ubuntu reading from the drive too much by overwriting the partition table
[00:36] <uhelp> mike_papa: just be sure that you have first copied the partition table blocks off the drive
[00:41] <awesomess3> Does someone have a Web site that I can check out?
[00:41] <reisio> http://reisio.com/
[00:41] <reisio> BEHOLD
[00:41] <pragmaticenigma> crazy
[00:42] <mike_papa> uhelp: that might be good idea. I haven't thought about that. I don't really care about partition table on this drive. It's useless anyway. I just want to get as much data from it as possible to raw image, and then use photorec or similar tool.
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> reisio: where are you located?
[00:42] <reisio> USA, Florida
[00:42] <flashman> wow
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> I thought it was odd you were listed as finland
[00:43] <awesomess3> reisio, how can you put unicode characters into your CSS? That is so cool.
[00:43] <reisio> awesomess3: ikr?
[00:43] <reisio> pragmaticenigma: yeah, I'm on the round robin
[00:43] <reisio> should switch back to the us round robin
[00:43] <reisio> the euro servers are always splitting anyways
[00:44] <Jeruvy> reisio do you have a current list, pm if you do :)
[00:44] <uhelp> reisio: does that Dodge Tioga still move and do you want to sell it?
[00:44] <reisio> uhelp: 's'gone
[00:45] <reisio> uhelp: so I guess it still moves :p
[00:46] <uhelp> reisio: If you don't own it you can't sell it :)
[00:46] <reisio> couldn't sell it if I did, it's gone
[00:47] <awesomess3> reisio, "Applesoft BASIC program data" what did you do!?
[00:47] <reisio> awesomess3: you lookin' at my font files? :p
[00:47] <awesomess3> reisio, yes!
[00:48] <reisio> they're (embedded/) opentype or truetype or something
[00:48] <awesomess3> reisio, oh ok phew!
[00:49] <awesomess3> reisio, do you trust web sites these days?
[00:49] <Belial`> is gnome panel supported in here?
[00:49] <reisio> awesomess3: I don't really have a need to
[00:50] <reisio> Belial`: to the extent that it has to do with Ubuntu, yup
[00:50] <chro> how can I list the scripts that run on startup?
[00:50] <chro> with update-rc.d
[00:50] <Belial`> reisio, is it still possible to install dockbarx within gnome panel?
[00:50] <chro> I know that they are inside /etc/init.d
[00:50] <chro> but I want the command to list them
[00:50] <Belial`> in 13.04
[00:51] <mjayk> Belial`: just open them in a text editor if you have no x server nano /etc/init.d
[00:51] <awesomess3> chro, what I do is go to /etc/init.d/rc2 and remove whatever I don't want. IIRC (which is about at a 6% chance)
[00:51] <reisio> chro: services something
[00:51] <reisio> Belial`: is that an applet for GNOME 2's panel?
[00:51] <uhelp> Бородин?
[00:51] <Belial`> yes, it can be used as an applet.
[00:51] <reisio> Belial`: if so it's probably not easy to install, short of installing MATE (which is GNOME 2)
[00:51] <reisio> Belial`: might want to check https://extensions.gnome.org/ for an analogue
[00:52] <Belial`> reisio, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:52] <Belial`>  gnomepanel-applet-dockbarx : Depends: python-gnomeapplet but it is not installable
[00:52] <Belial`> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[00:52] <Belial`> that's the error i get.
[00:52] <reisio> Belial`: that seems superfluous to what I just said :)
[00:53] <occ> is it risky to use the live cd for long term use/permanent use? because sudo stuff dosnt seem to require a password to work... will people be able to hack my computer/home network easier?
[00:53] <occ> or it only makes a difference for local use physically at the computer
[00:54] <mike_papa> one more question. Is there any way to make system try less to recover ata link when it's stuck? I get all those "link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)" and "hard resetting link" in dmesg before it will give up and give me read error. If it would give up without trying I could save a lot of time.
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> occ: SSH is usually diabled by default for the ubuntu live cd, so you would be safe from a network perspective
[00:54] <alexandros_c> good day, I am having a problem with yahoo mail and firefox. Yahoo mail continuously reloads in firefox. Does anyone know how to solve this problem?
[00:54] <reisio> s/superfluous/irrelevant/
[00:54] <occ> i see prag. thanks
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> occ: anyone with local access to your machine will get the same privileges as you.
[00:55] <pragmaticenigma> occ: You can run Live as long as you wish, just note that performance is going to be crappy and nothing is permanent so when you reboot you lose everything
[00:56] <occ> ok. i still cant install ubuntu on my HDD so ill just save my stuffs on usb sticks.... they are ntfs and fat though because i put isos on them with unetbootin.... what filesystem shall i format the usb sticks in for saving my files? something stable and good support etc
[00:58] <pragmaticenigma> keep what unetbootin put on them... thumbdrives requires certain filesystems to work properly
[00:58] <occ> i see. ill just delete the files on them then
[00:58] <uhelp> reisio: have you been to Transnistria?
[00:59] <reisio> uhelp: nope, just flag play
[00:59] <reisio> uhelp: you?
[01:00] <xjwellsx> occ: Why can't you install to your HDD? Have you tried the WUBI installer
[01:00] <mike_papa> occ: try installing system on USB. I did it with Lubuntu and I have my own portable system I can run everywhere. Even on those crappy computers at work with XP on them. :)
[01:00] <mike_papa> occ: this way you don't have limits of Live system, and you still don't need to install it on HDD. Some USB sticks are actually way faster then HDD, so performance could be even better.
[01:00] <mike_papa> occ: and I would use NTFS for saving files. I didn't have any problems with it in Ubuntu for long time, and still have possibility to read it on Windows.
[01:01] <occ> that would be a good idea mike but this laptop dosnt support usb boot
[01:01] <uhelp> reisio: I was scheduled to a few years back but they were having some unrest so I went elsewhere instead.  I believe their president (pull up a photo of him) deserves a brand of Vodka named after him and his country if anyone ever did.  It should have a tritium top which makes the bottle glow faintly green forever.
[01:02] <xjwellsx> occ: did you see my post
[01:03] <mike_papa> occ: dosn't support USB boot? You're sure about this? That's kind of odd. Sometimes it's strange way to get it, but I've always found a way.
[01:03] <occ> yeh i saw. no i havnt tried wubi, but tried a lot of things. given up now. maybe will try again another day. this is just a spare laptop
[01:04] <occ> ill look in my bios again not sure maybe it can boot usb but i didnt notice
[01:05] <pragmaticenigma> Didn't some laptop company disable USB by default to help user security?
[01:05] <uhelp> occ: there are special 3.5" boot disks which will allow you to boot from 3.5 THEN boot from the USB drive
[01:05] <mike_papa> occ: Anyway if you will find it, make on your USB stick: ext4 partition for / (couple of GB), swap (I did 3GB and it's more than enough), and rest NTFS. The only thing you need to remember is that NTFS has to be first one on drive (for example /dev/sda1 - 1 is the key). Otherwise Windows will not see that.
[01:06] <mike_papa> occ: what laptop is that?
[01:06] <uhelp> occ: there might also be an updated version of your bios with more options
[01:07] <acer> can anybody point me in the right direction for installing ubuntu onto my netbook. I have the ubuntu iso downloaded but I do not have a cd drive or a usb memory stick
[01:08] <uhelp> acer: can you do netboot?
[01:08] <acer> sorry i dont know what a netboot is
[01:08] <mike_papa> uhelp: usb boot is odd in laptop's bioses. I found it more often to be some kind of strange key stroke.
[01:08] <uhelp> acer: you could always go to Wal*Mart and buy a USB stick for very little money.
[01:08] <OerHeks> acer sdcard ?
[01:09] <acer> lol ok i probably will if thats the easiest way, thanks
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> acer, I would get a usb, having a install without a iso on a disc/usb is like a mechanic without tools.
[01:09] <mike_papa> occ: If you don't find way to USB boot, you can always prepare CD with just a GRUB on it, that will let you boot from USB.
[01:09] <acer> gotcha i just recall installing ubuntu on another laptop but didnt remember having to have a cd or usb or external device but i guess i was mistaken. thanks again
[01:09] <uhelp> mike_papa: I take him at his word that he doesn't have USB boot but maybe he does and does not know it
[01:10] <acer> probabyl do but dont know it tbh
[01:10] <occ> ok mike ill look into that too... thanks
[01:10] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[01:11] <mike_papa> uhelp: probably it's just something that producer doesn't say officially. I don't know why, but they always keep it secret and the change it from time to time. But internet is full of advices. It's just matter of spending some time on google.
[01:14] <uhelp> mike_papa: I wonder if there is some option to do a slow-boot and not show the advertisement screen which would instead cause some "Hit XXX to select boot device" message to appear
[01:15] <mike_papa> uhelp: what do you mean by advertisement screen?
[01:16] <uhelp> mike_papa: many vendors have some screen when the user boots which display the product makers name instead of some useful information like special keys to hit
[01:17] <uhelp> mike_papa: for instance Ubuntu Desktop now show "Ubuntu" while booting instead of messages scrolling from about init.d scripts
[01:18] <uhelp> mike_papa: I like the init.d messages a lot better because they may help users to at last understand their systems inner workings when the ubuntu logo teaches them nothing
[01:18] <mike_papa> uhelp: you mean logo on POST? I believe it would actually require to flash new BIOS. Problem is, that your laptop maker won't give you one without their logo. If you want Ubuntu to show messages, just hit ESC.
[01:19] <lulz0r> ist there an irc channel for networking questions?^^ (I have one regarding udp hole punching)
[01:19] <uhelp> mike_papa: I think some BIOS allow the post logo to be an option ... but not all.  I know I myself can hit escape but I wish for clueless users to see the messages since I believe it helps them to understand some inner workings with time.
[01:21] <awesomess3> anyone want to share with me their Web site?
[01:21] <Seven_Six_Two> awesomess3, why?
[01:21] <Mitsuru92> My PC using Atheros AR9285,on Ubuntu 12.04,wifi reception is too weak...is there anyway for me to boost it up...
[01:21] <awesomess3> Seven_Six_Two, because sharing is fun.
[01:22] <mike_papa> uhelp: logo on POST as option is allowed only if person preparing BIOS will give you that choice. Making long story short - if it's not there - don't bother. Ubuntu logo is something different. Look at GRUB options. You can easily disable that.
[01:22] <Diamondcite> Mitsuru92: Usually wifi reception (actual performance can't be improved.. unless you are saying it does better in something else?
[01:22] <mike_papa> awesomess3: google shares millions of it.
[01:23] <Mitsuru92> of course is is too better on Windows...
[01:23] <Diamondcite> Mitsuru92: How can you tell windows is doing better? More bars? Or actually transfers faster?
[01:24] <mike_papa> Mitsuru92: did you actually check the speed, or just looked how many bars you get on widget?
[01:24] <mike_papa> hehe
[01:24] <Mitsuru92> I can receive wifi signal of many AP around(at least 50m away)...No 'Disconnect'
[01:24] <Mitsuru92> On Ubuntu,I barely got one AP
[01:24] <histo> Mitsuru92: I would look at noise levels
[01:25] <Mitsuru92> I got nothing unless I stay around AP within 5m
[01:25] <Monkeytoe> there an easy shell command to run a program and then terminate it after 10 minutes?
[01:25] <Mitsuru92> And usually get 'Disconnect'
[01:26] <xjwellsx> Mitsuru92:
[01:26] <xjwellsx> Mitsuru92: but you can access your own network just fine?
[01:26] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: you can increase your mW of output but that won't let you "see" more networks
[01:26] <mike_papa> Mitsuru92: check atheros drivers. I remember playing with ALFA wifi card, which had enormous configuration possibilities. Including Tx/Rx power.
[01:26] <Mitsuru92> If only I set my notebook next to/below the AP
[01:26] <awesomess3> mike_papa, google does link to web sites of all kinds. But I prefer to look at the works of people that are currently in the IRC channel I'm in...it makes it more personal and interesting.
[01:27] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: iwconfig iface txpower your-setting
[01:27] <mike_papa> awesomess3: I did this project for my girlfriend. www.artkiddo.pl
[01:27] <Mitsuru92> I already tried increase transmit power
[01:28] <mike_papa> awesomess3: nothing pro, but I'm not pro designer ;)
[01:29] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: are their any bugs in launchpad related to your chipset?
[01:29] <histo> Mitsuru92: Look at the noise levels the db ratings in window and linux I'll bet you will find they are the same
[01:29] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: often they have workarounds posted
[01:29] <Mitsuru92> xjwellsx, I can access to my AP within the room of AP,outside the room,very unstable
[01:30] <Mitsuru92> mike_papa, ATH9K as defaults of Ubuntu...I can't find any driver...
[01:30] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: what does sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning say about the strength of signal?
[01:31] <senshikaze> is anyone having issues with libpango and the gnome 3 ppa? it looks like a recursion of Bug #1186506
[01:31] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: when disconnect happens are there some errors in dmesg with some clues?
[01:31] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, well,I found some bug report,there are some solution,but I have tried all of them,nothing worked for me...some solution told trying wicd,I already tried,not better...
[01:32] <mike_papa> ok. I gtg. Goodnight.
[01:32] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, Disconnect without any error(Like when out of range or AP was turn off)
[01:32] <uhelp> mike_papa: goodnight and good luck with your hard drive
[01:32] <ChrisF-> I was irresponsible and didn't update a web development machine from 11.04.  How could I get it updated without having to reinstall from scratch?  I'm completely new to this, sorry.
[01:32] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, and then reconnect after few minutes
[01:32] <xangua> !eol | ChrisF-
[01:33] <Mitsuru92> sometime if I'm too far away(more than 5m exactly),it reconnects several times before it can connect again
[01:33] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: did you check signal strength?  Is it low or normal?  Also did you perform access point firmware update -- long shot but very easy to perform and quick.
[01:33] <ChrisF-> thanks
[01:34] <Mitsuru92> signal usually goes around -63 to -50
[01:34] <Mitsuru92> dB
[01:34] <nyRednek> hey, if i make a console-only install, do i really need swap?
[01:34] <mjayk> Does anyone know how to manually change the fan speed of an ATI graphics card without installing ati drivers
[01:34] <Diamondcite> nyRednek: How much ram is present and what do you intend to run?
[01:35] <senshikaze> nyRednek: depends on what you're doing i guess
[01:35] <uhelp> nyRednek: yes, you should have it no matter what because  it always speeds your system by moving never-used things to swap and allowing more cache (at least 10 years ago this was true)
[01:35] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: I am surprised you are disconnected at -50dB
[01:35] <nyRednek> Diamondcite, 1G, alpine, irssi, tor, links, a python program
[01:36] <nyRednek> Diamondcite, and occasional gpg
[01:36] <senshikaze> nyRednek: how much physical mem?
[01:36] <Mitsuru92> even when I need stable network to download or working,I have to boot to windows...I got disconnected even when I'm next to AP
[01:36] <nyRednek> senshikaze, i said, 1 gig
[01:36] <Diamondcite> nyRednek: At 1GB, you would benifit from having some swap available (but not active)
[01:36] <senshikaze> nyRednek: ah. i would run swap personally
[01:37] <nyRednek> oh, and tmux
[01:37] <Renzadic> hey does anyone know how to set up xbox wired controller on ubuntu?
[01:37] <Renzadic> i have xboxdrv
[01:37] <nyRednek> and wicd for networking
[01:37] <Renzadic> and want to play tf2 with it but it doesnt work.
[01:37] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: some random site says "•Excellent (green): -57 to -45 dBms (75 to 100%)" so you shouldn't be disconnected for this reason ... another reason is likely
[01:37] <senshikaze> Renzadic: native tf2 or wine?
[01:37] <Renzadic> native
[01:38] <Renzadic> senshikaze, native
[01:38] <nyRednek> i was thinking, no x, no need for swap
[01:38] <Diamondcite> nyRednek: If you have the disk space available, I would suggest allocating up to 1GB for it, BUT, don't activate it?
[01:38] <senshikaze> Renzadic: hmmm, i've noticed my controller works sometime in native games, but not in others. I didn't go out of my way to install anything though.
[01:38] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: so I would not focus on signal strength as your issue.  If you are using n you might try g instead.
[01:39] <senshikaze> Renzadic: i don't play tf2 specifically though, so no help from me past that :-(
[01:40] <Renzadic> anyone know how to get xbox controller to work in tf2?
[01:40] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, signal around -70 to -50 are way too good,right?but why I can't connect to them?My shool network signal got -67 ~ -60...I barely found them...usually after boot into Ubuntu,nothing show on Network,after 1-2 minutes,one after one AP shows up,when i check iwlist,signal is still good...
[01:40] <uhelp> nyRednek: If you want try with swapoff and if you don't like it use swapon ... you don't have to keep it on just because you allocate it during install
[01:40] <Mitsuru92> however,I got hard time to connect
[01:41] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, about the bars,always got above 2 bars...got 1 bars or none when disconnect
[01:42] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: I had some problem in past and had to get an external usb wifi adapter.  I simply found it easier than to figure out the issue and the cost was only $12 at the time so consider it your get-out-of-jail-free option if this isn't productive.
[01:42] <Mitsuru92> iwlist scan shows No AP after disconnect
[01:42] <Mitsuru92> to hard to find USB wifi adapter around here...
[01:43] <Mitsuru92> hardly find any genuine product...
[01:43] <senshikaze> Mitsuru92: forgive me if you have already answered this, but what kind of wifi adapter are you using?
[01:43] <xjwellsx> Monkeytoe: What kind of command are you trying to run?
[01:43] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: where are you?  it says you are connected to Vilnius but of course you could be anywhere
[01:44] <Mitsuru92> Atheros AR9285(on Windows said AR5B95),using ath9k driver
[01:45] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: have you tried madwifi?
[01:45] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, in Vietnam,most of products here are fake products from China
[01:45] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, I tried many
[01:45] <Mitsuru92> some got problem to run
[01:45] <Mitsuru92> some can not find any AP
[01:46] <ShadowBlaze18> hello, I asked a question in another channel, but didn't get a response in a reasonable time, may I ask it here?
[01:46] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: I mean did you try the madwifi driver for your chipset http://madwifi-project.org/
[01:47] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: you probably need to download it, compile it, install it with insmod, etc
[01:47] <Mitsuru92> I already tried,but no AP shows up
[01:47] <chaotix> Hello.  I am using Ubuntu 13.04, with chromium-browser, and every web page I go to, at the top, it asks, "Unity Webapps Plugin Needs your permission to Run."  And then, always run on this site, or run this time.  How can i make this stop??
[01:48] <Mitsuru92> install with ndiswrapper?is it okay?
[01:48] <senshikaze> Mitsuru92: doing a quick google search shows that that the ar9285 has had issues in the (distant) past. I can tell you that i finally got fed up with my d-link (atheros chip also using ath9k) because of intermittent signal loss with the AP in the same room
[01:48] <xjwellsx> ShadowBlaze18: What is the question?
[01:48] <chaotix> I am looking at the extensions in the chromium settings page now
[01:48] <chaotix> But i do not know what to do.
[01:48] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: can you order from ebay to Vietnam?
[01:49] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, no,many shopping services like ebay,newegg,... don't accept order from Vietnam
[01:50] <somsip_> Mitsuru92: surely Thailand or Malaysia will deliver there?
[01:50] <ShadowBlaze18> I would like to know if you could video record a GPL or LGPL software that comes with the OS, or is recording the software a violation of the GPL?
[01:50] <chaotix> sorry, i found it
[01:50] <chaotix> thanks anyways though
[01:50] <Mitsuru92> and if found some services will ship to VN,I have to pay some taxes and extra taxes for the product,usually boost the costs up to 2-4 times the original cost
[01:51] <usr13> ShadowBlaze18: What do you mean "recording the software"?
[01:51] <ShadowBlaze18> usr13, like taking a camera and recording the screen
[01:51] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: a USB adapter is very light -- maybe you could have a friend in Europe/USA/etc mail it to you by standard post
[01:51] <usr13> ShadowBlaze18: recordmydesktop
[01:51] <tgm4883> why would screenrecording be against the GPL?
[01:52] <ShadowBlaze18> tgm4883, because your recording the software itself?
[01:52] <ShadowBlaze18> or the output anyways
[01:52] <tgm4883> ShadowBlaze18, so?
[01:52] <usr13> !recordmydesktop | ShadowBlaze18
[01:52] <Mitsuru92> too bad I lost many contact with my friends,they are off for a long time...hope they will be on again...
[01:53] <somsip_> !info recordmydesktop
[01:53] <Mitsuru92> I think i will boot into Ubuntu and try again
[01:53] <tgm4883> ShadowBlaze18, why would there be a license that explicitely states you can't have any restrictions on it and then make it so you can't record it?
[01:53] <ShadowBlaze18> thank you usr13, that wasn't what I really mean't though
[01:53] <stevePage129> my VPS is hanging when apt-get unpacks ANYTHING; details on shared drive io speeds on this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/315672/ubuntu-vps-hangs-constantly-when-unpacking-anything-apt-get-or-dpkg-hangs
[01:53] <A1Recon> Will Windows have any problem with ext2 partition?
[01:53] <Mitsuru92> A1Recon, yes
[01:53] <ShadowBlaze18> I thought there was restrictions, tgm4883
[01:54] <uhelp> Mitsuru92: ubuntu hardware support is better than before but still if your device doesn't work in the end you may need another
[01:54] <tgm4883> usr13, somsip_ he's not looking for a screen recording program
[01:54] <tgm4883> ShadowBlaze18, no, there are no restrictions
[01:54] <Mitsuru92> A1Recon, Windows can not access to any linux filesystem
[01:54] <somsip_> tgm4883: just helping usr13 with the command. Not really paying attention
[01:55] <tgm4883> !GPL
[01:55] <Mitsuru92> uhelp, aaa...and one more...Ubuntu listed my Intel HD graphics card as unknown
[01:55] <ShadowBlaze18> oh, okay, thank you tgm4883, so it's okay to record the software bundeled with Ubuntu and not have t be under fair use?
[01:55] <OerHeks> Mitsuru92, A1Recon fs driver can http://www.fs-driver.org/
[01:56] <ShadowBlaze18> *it
[01:56] <uhelp> I must go  (now).  Good luck everyone.
[01:56] <Mitsuru92> OerHeks, does it work with other fs?EXT4,seirfs
[01:56] <usr13> ShadowBlaze18: Also, see:   http://www.davidrevoy.com/article65/recordscreen-py-video-and-audio-capture-from-terminal-for-ubuntu-12-04
[01:57] <OerHeks> Not sure, ext3/4
[01:57] <ShadowBlaze18> thank you
[01:57] <usr13> tgm4883: Oh, thanks for the correction.
[01:57] <Mitsuru92> but IIRC,there is a software you can access(read permission) to most of linux fs
[01:58] <Mitsuru92> to have write perm,there is a little tricky
[01:59] <giwrgaras> ubuntu 12.10 is more stable than 12.04 ?
[01:59] <Seven_Six_Two> giwrgaras, generally
[01:59] <ShadowBlaze18> thank you for your help
[02:00] <Ari-Yang> umm.... I'm not sure about that Seven_Six_Two. I'm no expert, but I thought the point of LTS is that it's suppose to be stable
[02:00] <Seven_Six_Two> Ari-Yang, and which is the LTS?
[02:00] <giwrgaras> also i read a lot of reviews that complain that 13.04 is less stable than the 12.xx ones
[02:00] <usr13> !lts | Ari-Yang
[02:00] <giwrgaras> is it true?
[02:00] <Mitsuru92> uhelp I think ath9k drivers is a little bit old...as on windows,after I updated driver,wifi performance(signal received,configuration,found AP) is better...
[02:00] <Seven_Six_Two> oh sorry, I dislexed
[02:01] <Seven_Six_Two> giwrgaras, 13.04 was just released recently. 12.04 is the LTS and should be the most stable
[02:01] <L30> :)
[02:01] <Ari-Yang> usr13, I know what lts is thanks....
[02:02] <Ari-Yang> giwrgaras, I'm on 12.10, and so far all is good.
[02:02] <Ari-Yang> whether I'm using a mainline kernel or not
[02:02] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm on 13.04 and so far all is good.
[02:02] <Seven_Six_Two> although I'm using E17 dual-head
[02:02] <giwrgaras> also i have my ubuntu installed through windows. if i make a separate partition will i see any difference?
[02:03] <Ari-Yang> (I use e17 too, Seven_Six_Two)
[02:03] <giwrgaras> or all the installation methods are just the same
[02:04] <Seven_Six_Two> giwrgaras, wubi starts the windows file system  so that the ubuntu fs can be mounted. making a separate partition will alleviate that need.
[02:05] <giwrgaras> and the result will be quicker? or id better leave it as is
[02:06] <giwrgaras> this way i can access my win files also from my ubuntu
[02:10] <DIIP> BACKTRACK
[02:11] <somsip_> !backtrack | DIIP
[02:11] <DIIP> HEY GUYZ
[02:11] <somsip_> !caps | DIIP
[02:12] <DIIP> NY 1 USING BACKTRACK
[02:12] <somsip_> DIIP: You;ve already been told - it's not supported here. Go to #backtrack-linux
[02:13] <DIIP> SO WATS SUPPORTED HERE??
[02:13] <A1Recon> DIIP: Using Uppercase is taken as shouting. And is not considered polite. And go to #backtrack-linux for Backtrack support..
[02:13] <somsip_> !topic
[02:13] <somsip_> DIIP: so type /topic to see
[02:13] <DIIP> OH..
[02:13] <A1Recon> DIIP: Ubuntu!
[02:14] <A1Recon> DIIP: And stop constantly using Uppercase anywhere on the Internet!!
[02:14] <DIIP> HEY UBUNTU 13.04 IS TOLD TAT IT WL SUPPORT 6 MONTHS UPDATES...
[02:14] <DIIP> MEANS ??
[02:14] <FloodBot1> DIIP: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:15] <A1Recon> DIIP: Don't use capital letters (Upper case)! Do not do that!!
[02:15] <DIIP> ok ok..
[02:15] <DIIP> but tel me wat it means??
[02:15] <OerHeks> 9 months
[02:16] <DIIP> ya..
[02:16] <DIIP> wat it means??
[02:16] <A1Recon> !Ubuntu > DIIP
[02:16] <xlaire> i need help with this
[02:16] <xlaire> http://pastebin.com/gLB1aHN8
[02:16] <xlaire> please
[02:16] <DIIP> thnx..
[02:17] <DIIP> bt it wl nt hav any limitations na ??
[02:17] <xlaire> i cant update now
[02:17] <OerHeks> xlaire, open softwarecenter > on top panel: Edit > sources list, and disable cdrom on that first page
[02:17] <A1Recon> DIIP: Limitations in what sense?? What do you want to do??
[02:18] <xlaire> it was disable before
[02:18] <xlaire> i try and what i did is enable all the not it is called repository
[02:18] <awesomess3> xlaire, why would you want to 'autoremove'?
[02:18] <xlaire> not sure i autoremove
[02:18] <xlaire> i tried all the command available
[02:18] <DIIP> ubuntu 13.04 like other versions dont hav any limitations right ??
[02:19] <somsip_> DIIP: no limitations, no
[02:19] <xlaire> not sure what am i doing now
[02:19] <DIIP> ok..
[02:19] <OerHeks> xlaire, and disable these two PPA's > http://ppa.launchpad.net/tldm217/tahutek.net/ubuntu/dists/quantal/   http://ppa.launchpad.net/tldm217/tahutek.net/ubuntu/dists/quantal/
[02:19] <nyRednek> one more question and i'll leave you guys alone: will the ubuntu mini iso allow you to set up encrypted root?
[02:19] <xlaire> ok
[02:19] <OerHeks> xlaire, use raring ppa's only
[02:19] <DIIP> bt cn any 1 tl how cn i suppport flash in my browser??
[02:20] <OerHeks> err those are the same
[02:21] <xlaire> OerHeks, i am not sure i understand what you mean
[02:21] <DIIP> bt cn any 1 tl how cn i suppport flash in my browser??
[02:21] <xlaire> tldm217 disable
[02:21] <OerHeks> xlaire, those 2 ppaś  are the same, so you only have to delete one
[02:21] <xlaire> and cdrom in the first page
[02:21] <awesomess3> DIIP, execute: apt-cache search flash    Find the appropriate package name and then execute: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree    ??
[02:21] <xlaire> i see
[02:21] <OerHeks> oke, now sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:22] <xlaire> ok
[02:23] <DIIP> THNX..
[02:33] <llldino> Hey guys, ld appreciate some help on this one. I've recently updated Ubuntu LTS 12.04, and my nvidia driver is only giving me one resolution setting. I've done nvidia-setting and the driver says "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server." i've done this and nothing changes.
[02:34] <ShadowBlaze18> hello, does the extra software that you can download from the setup screen require internet, or is the software installed on the CD?
[02:34] <llldino> Requires internet
[02:34] <ShadowBlaze18> oh, good, thank you
[02:34] <llldino> np
[02:36] <Luke-Jr> Is there any reason rpath wouldn't work in Ubuntu 13?
[02:38] <ShadowBlaze18> so, llldino, in the second picture here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-long-term-support I would need internet for the bottom check box?
[02:39] <llldino> yes
[02:40] <ShadowBlaze18> and it has a notice in that box, illdino, so is that software that is closed source installed automattically without an internet connection?
[02:40] <xlaire> OerHeks, here:
[02:40] <xlaire> * gbit86 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[02:40] <xlaire> * gbit86_ is now known as gbit86
 Requires internet
 oh, good, thank you
 np
[02:40] <FloodBot1> xlaire: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> llldino, This nvidia driver from them rather than the repos?
[02:41] <llldino> No, closed sourced software needs an internet connection
[02:41] <llldino> yes wilnee, sorry i can't directly talk to you
[02:42] <ShadowBlaze18> llldino, thank you
[02:42] <llldino> Wilnee, after doing research, it seems xorg isn't picking up my display properly
[02:42] <wilee-nilee> llldino, That is why, it wont follow a kernel upgrade, ubuntu advises to use drivers from its repos.
[02:42] <llldino> repo drivers for nvidia are problematic
[02:42] <llldino> it worked fine before xorg updated
[02:43] <wilee-nilee> llldino, Thats al I can say I have never had to use nvidia so I'm not familiar.
[02:43] <llldino> lucky you, i'll be switching to amd next time i get a computer
[02:44] <llldino> anyways, additional drivers shows i'm using a repo driver but x thinks im using nvidias driver, how do i switch so im actually using the repo driver
[02:44] <wilee-nilee> llldino, older computers so haven't had the pleasure/pain. ;)
[02:44] <xlaire> OerHeks, http://pastebin.com/s6S0y2Tx
[02:45] <wilee-nilee> !nvidia | llldino this wiki should have the info.
[02:45] <llldino> thank you
[02:45] <wilee-nilee> no ;problem
[02:46] <tannji> llldino,  I believe you need to look for something about replacing your Xorg file
[02:47] <llldino> tannji, i already have, the xorg conf is rewritten automatically by the driver, ive tried several times
[02:47] <ShadowBlaze18> llldino, so all the check boxes on that picture require an internet connection to get?
[02:48] <llldino> yes shadow, not necessary for installation, but i'd highly recommend it
[02:48] <OerHeks> xlaire you still have a quantal source, and  http://ppa.launchpad.net/ferramroberto/sopcast/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/source/Sources  is wrong, it misses a "~"  >>> https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/sopcast
[02:48] <Renzadic> anyone know how to get the gamestop 3rd party hardware controller to work with xbox drv?
[02:48] <OerHeks> xlaire you messed op nice
[02:49] <ShadowBlaze18> lllindino, okay, thank you
[02:49] <xlaire> and there is tv maxe error i want to remove that
[02:50] <OerHeks> xlaire, because ppa can mess up, we don't support those sources.
[02:50] <xlaire> ok the qualtan source you mentioned
[02:50] <xlaire> what will i do
[02:50] <xlaire> remove ?
[02:50] <cjbirk> lel
[02:52] <OerHeks> xlaire, copy your sources.list to paste.ubuntu.com
[02:52] <xlaire> k
[02:56] <xlaire> OerHeks, here: http://pastebin.com/nM3CnDGY
[02:56] <Anonymous1> Hallo Freunde
[02:58] <LT1stNomad> I'm... actually using xubuntu
[02:58] <Seven_Six_Two> sometimes I lose my mouse cursor on my screen, and I end up hitting a screen edge and going to another desktop.
[02:58] <LT1stNomad> But not right now, I'm using windows :/
[02:58] <Seven_Six_Two> LT1stNomad, lol
[02:58] <Denubis> Is this the appropriate channel to ask ubuntu packaging questions in?
[02:58] <llldino> ok guys, so my question now is im using a non repo driver and i want to revert to a repo graphics driver, how do i do this?
[02:59] <xlaire> OerHeks, here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5839181/
[02:59] <OerHeks> xlaire, i am missing a lot of ppa's, not sure where they are stored,
[03:00] <xlaire> anything you can recommend?
[03:00] <xlaire> i install tv maxe yesterday and i can't update now
[03:00] <LT1stNomad> Any ways to slap ubuntu on a mobile phone yet?
[03:01] <xangua> !touch | LT1stNomad
[03:02] <TheUsD> When remote desktop'ing from windows 7 to 12.04 I only get the background of the linux box and the one icon that is on the desktop. Any idea what is causing this?
[03:07] <nurow3> Hello everyone, I've been having an issue where after installing Ubuntu on one of my hard drives, I was unable to boot to my other drive with Windows 7 (getting grub errors). Great people in this channel advised me to try to recover the partition, but I never could. However, I just remembered that the partition is actually a TrueCrypt partition. How should I go about trying to recover that?
[03:08] <OerHeks> xlaire, found it,  other ppa's have their own list >>  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[03:08] <mumpitze1> !tell nurow3 about errors
[03:10] <xlaire> OerHeks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5839201/
[03:10] <tannji> doesnt Truecrpyt have its own disk recovery utility?
[03:10] <OerHeks> xlaire, wow!
[03:10] <xlaire> ?
[03:10] <nurow3> mumpitze1.. what do you need to know? the error was "grub: no such partition"
[03:11] <nurow3> tannji1, hmmmm, i never heard of that
[03:11] <tannji> nurow, if you used truecrypt... wouldnt that prevent the partition from being seen?
[03:11] <OerHeks> xlaire, oke, delete any file with quantal or precise in it, you are n raring
[03:12] <tannji> I would search recovering truecrypt volumes or partitions
[03:12] <OerHeks> xlaire, you can do that via the gui too
[03:12] <xlaire> software center?
[03:12] <nurow3> tannji, I didn't use the hidden volume
[03:12] <OerHeks> xlaire, jups, edit > sources
[03:14] <tannji> nurow,  ah.  well... they have a rescue disk, it looks like, I would try to use that, may be the only option.
[03:15] <tannji> nurow,  you did make a rescue disk when you encrypted the drive, right?
[03:19] <lrcaballero> Anybody running BeatBox out there?
[03:24] <lrcaballero> Banshee or Rythmbox? and why? Jst would like to know what Ubuntu users like....Thanks ;-)
[03:25] <Ekushey> Rythmbox :)
[03:25] <sam113101> I dislike both
[03:26] <lrcaballero> Ekushey: have you find the perfect equalizer settings for your liking?
[03:26] <lrcaballero> sam113101 what are you using?
[03:27] <Ekushey> don't need an equalizer actually... rythmbox plays my music nicely
[03:28] <Ekushey> i use Amarok most of the time though
[03:28] <wilee-nilee> lrcaballero, This is support not polling.
[03:29] <lrcaballero> wilee-nilee...thank you and sorry! what is the channel for any discussion on ubuntu?
[03:30] <Smashing> so i have an audio question
[03:30] <Smashing> i need someone willing to bang their head against the wall with me
[03:31] <wilee-nilee> Smashing, You have to state your issues to get help.
[03:31] <wilee-nilee> to the channel not me
[03:32] <Smashing> i have a foxconn motherboard that reports on specs to have ALC888S audio chip. I have used it for 7 months with no issue. I was using HDMI from motherboard to get sound to tv.
[03:32] <Smashing> i installed a video card that requires me to use dvi-hdmi cable so i am not trying to use stereo analog port to push audio to my stereo
[03:32] <Smashing> but ubuntu does not detect the ports, only shows s/pdif in alsamixer
[03:33] <Smashing> and sound only shows HDMI for the video card, which i cant use because it is a fucking displayport
[03:33] <madprops> how do I turn on the computer
[03:33] <wilee-nilee> !language | Smashing
[03:33] <Smashing> i do apologize but if you ever encountered a displayport on a video card in place of an hdmi you would understand
[03:37] <Smashing> nobody has an idea how to fix audio issue?
[03:37] <Smashing> ive spent the last several hours pouring through google and ubuntu forums
[03:37] <bazhang> !audio | Smashing have a read
[03:38] <xlaire> OerHeks, ty vm i think i understand and learn now
[03:39] <OerHeks> xlaire, great, have fun
[03:39] <rick_> hello all, I have 2 ld-linux.so.3, can I run a program to reference one ld-linux.so.3 and it's related libraries and run others by system default.
[03:47] <llldino> Hi guys, I was dumb enough to install a non-repo graphics driver and now I want to remove it, and ideas?
[03:51] <ripdisk> how do i get/set up nvidia drivers
[03:51] <bazhang> !nvidia | ripdisk
[03:55] <llldino> ripdisk, should come already set up under additional drivers
[03:58] <s2013> why is my ubuntu being really slow on an external monitor?
[03:58] <s2013> im on vmware player and have allocated 4gb of ram
[03:59] <holstein> s2013: if you are virtualizing it, i would look into that.. the monitor should have nothing to do with it
[03:59] <s2013> yeah thats why i am wondeirng why its like this
[03:59] <s2013> it worked fine 5 mins ago
[03:59] <s2013> all i did was add external monitor and then restarted my pc
[04:00] <holstein> s2013: , so, remove it and restart the PC.. see if its "better" .. adding a monitor shouldnt effect the guest OS in virtualiztion, though, system performance could have something to do with the way the host is dealing with that
[04:01] <lrcaballero> s2013: have you try running it via live cd/DVD, I ask because It could be a bug, I remember trying to run eOS on virtual machine and found out there was bug....
[04:01] <holstein> s2013: what is the host? and have you tried reverting to what "worked fine 5 minutes ago" ?
[04:01] <s2013> what do you mean host?
[04:01] <s2013> yeah i just took off the hdmi cable
[04:01] <s2013> and it works fine now
[04:02] <holstein> s2013: you say you have ubuntu running in vmware, that means, to me, that ubuntu is the guest.. what is the host?
[04:02] <s2013> win 7
[04:02] <lrcaballero> s2013: because it was extremely slow running eOS on virtual machine.
[04:02] <ripdisk> why is it saying could not get lck /var/cache/apt/archives/lock resource temporary unavailable
[04:02] <ripdisk> lock*
[04:02] <nurow3> Hmmmm... I don't know if anyone in here will be able to help, but.. when I installed ubuntu it corrupted my TrueCrypt MBR. I've located two different TrueCrypt recovery discs.. but I'm not sure which is the right one. When I boot from them and try to enter my computers password (which I'm 100% sure is correct) both discs respond with invalid password... is there a different password used on
[04:02] <nurow3> the Truecrypt recovery discs? Can anyone tell me a method to determine which is the correct disc?
[04:03] <holstein> s2013: that will *all* be relating to the host OS, which is win 7
[04:03] <s2013> look if i move the vmware window to my laptop screen
[04:03] <s2013> it works fine
[04:03] <s2013> if i move it to my external monitor
[04:03] <s2013> it starts to be really slow
[04:04] <s2013> its very peculiar
[04:04] <s2013> how can i check how much memory am i using and how much is free?
[04:04] <holstein> s2013: ask in a windows channel about the host OS memory usage
[04:04] <s2013> no man im talking about ubuntus
[04:04] <s2013> i know how to check windows memory usage.
[04:05] <holstein> s2013: the host is win7?
[04:05] <s2013> yes
[04:05] <s2013> i have 16gb ram so its not much of an issue
[04:05] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/9642/how-can-i-monitor-the-memory-usage
[04:05] <s2013> if i boot it from a cd do i have to restart to access windows?
[04:05] <holstein> s2013: im not implying you are out of memory
[04:06] <s2013> i need to use both
[04:06] <lrcaballero> s2013: does this occurs when running via Live CD/DVD? Have you tried this method?
[04:06] <s2013> ive never ran it that way
[04:06] <s2013> i dont really use ubuntu much except i need to for something
[04:07] <tannji> nurow,  I think that indicates that your only option is using a backup...
[04:07] <nurow3> tannji, I have no backup... just these two recovery discs
[04:08] <holstein> s2013: are you willing to try the live CD suggestion?
[04:08] <tannji> nurow,  ya..  what I read on that was it returning incorrect password was not good.
[04:08] <s2013> i dont even know what that means
[04:08] <holstein> s2013: have you tried virtualbox on the host OS?
[04:10] <s2013> yeah but i was having issues. anyways its fine ill try restarting the vmwareplayer hopefully that will solve it. thanks
[04:12] <lrcaballero> s2013: I found this related issue to yours in the vmware forums, se if it helps you or clarifies things... http://communities.vmware.com/thread/270889?start=0&tstart=0
[04:12] <treehau55> anyone have any luck getting the atheros ar9271 drivers working?
[04:14] <lrcaballero> treehau55: read this thread and see if it works: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1627220
[04:19] <treehau55> lrcaballero, yeah I think I actually followed the guide that post leads you too
[04:20] <Renzadic> anyone have an idea how to get the gamestop controller to work with xbox drv?
[04:20] <JC_SoCal> how can i tell what the usb 'port' is that i just plugged in? here is my dmesg output http://bpaste.net/show/z881PlfzPz3L5nt8Gk2r/
[04:23] <deckard_> hello. is there a way Ubuntu can check a photo i want to post for identifying metadata like an address or anything else personal?
[04:24] <Renzadic> anyone know how to make the gamestop wired controller work with xbox drv
[04:24] <JC_SoCal> deckard_: look for a tool called exiftool
[04:24] <treehau55> Renzadic, does your xbox run on Ubuntu?
[04:24] <deckard_> ty
[04:24] <holstein> deckard_: i'll assume you are talking about jpegs, and link http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/howto-strip-jpeg-metadata/
[04:25] <deckard_> yes
[04:25] <holstein> !info exif | deckard_
[04:25] <deckard_> i want to post it but want to be sure nothing to priavate is attached
[04:25] <BigFist> Hi, I'm going mad with my usb drive (lots of errors impossible to fix) I would like to copy anything i can from it, then format, however question is how can I copy files (in ubuntu) while ignoring errors?
[04:25] <holstein> deckard_: also, again.. if its security you are worried about, i would search and learn about it on your own, to the level you are comfortable with..
[04:26] <holstein> BigFist: i use photorec from testdisk.. its in the repos
[04:27] <matt__> BigFist: try the terminal "cp /path/to/usb/device /home/yourusername/" without the quotes
[04:34] <deckard_> hello again. How do i get terminal to the desktop diectory?
[04:35] <holstein> deckard_: open the terminal.. .and cd into wherever you like
[04:35] <nurow3> hi tanji, my internet died
[04:35] <nurow3> tannji
[04:35] <deckard_> like cd/desktop
[04:35] <deckard_> l;ike that?
[04:35] <lrcaballero> ceckard: $cd Desktop
[04:35] <deckard_> ty
[04:35] <holstein> in ubuntu, "cd ~/Desktop" should work
[04:35] <Ramon___> cd /home/user/Desktop
[04:41] <deckard_> hello again again haha. Can GIMP remove a person from a photo?
[04:41] <Ramon____> Maybe
[04:41] <Ramon____> If you use brushes to cover the area...
[04:41] <Ramon____> It doesn't do alone, I think...
[04:41] <deckard_> is there a GIMP irc you recommend ?
[04:42] <JC_SoCal> how can i tell what the usb 'port' is that i just plugged in? here is my dmesg output http://bpaste.net/show/z881PlfzPz3L5nt8Gk2r/
[04:42] <bazhang> #gimp
[04:42] <Ramon____> I don't know any, brow =/
[04:42] <deckard_> ty
[04:42] <holstein> deckard_: the question is, can you use the GIMP to edit a photo, and remove someone.. the gimp is capable, yes
[04:42] <deckard_> ty
[04:42] <JC_SoCal> is there like a /dev/usb0?
[04:42] <deckard_> i will ask in that room
[04:43] <lrcaballero> Good night everyone....:), until next time.
[04:44] <Lycopene> #politics-uncensored
[04:50] <ahmedm> does anyone has any good knowledge on connman
[04:50] <treehau55> so using the upstream 3.7 kernels will fix my wifi issues, how stable would that be
[04:50] <treehau55> on 12.04
[04:53] <holstein> treehau55: if it makes your wifi more stable, that would be an increase in stability.. .which might effect something else negatively
[04:59] <holstein> !info connman
[04:59] <james41382> What is the difference between using the apt-get command and aptitude?
[05:00] <holstein> james41382: the end result could be quite similar.. they are ways of managing packages
[05:00] <holstein> james41382: aptitude has a curses GUI, which might be preferable
[05:01] <james41382> holstein: so far all my applications have been installed from a shell
[05:02] <james41382> holstein: but I notice that sometimes the recommended command is apt-get and others it's aptitude
[05:02] <qmake> hello guys, I get some iscsi report in message file, like "Kernel reported iSCSI connection 6:0 error", can anybody tell me what 6:0 stand for? many tks
[05:02] <holstein> james41382: you should be able to pretty much interchange those 2
[05:03] <james41382> holstein: so if I stick with apt-get like I have been doing it will be fine. Okay. Thanks.
[05:05] <wad> Hi folks. My ~/.xsession-errors file is growing out of control. I just truncated it (it was 16 GB). But it's growing at a rate of a meg every few seconds.
[05:06] <wad> Every line is the same: "connect: Connection refused"
[05:06] <wad> Is there any way to see what the problem is?
[05:06] <holstein> wad: on what?? ubuntu? 13.04? running unity? what is trying to connect?
[05:06] <wad> Ubuntu 12.10
[05:06] <mimi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159397
[05:06] <wad> 64-bit desktop.
[05:06] <mimi> please, need immediate help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159397
[05:06] <ahmedm> i am new to connman , i want to know why connman doesn't support bluetooth scan
[05:06] <holstein> !12.10
[05:07] <wad> I don't know what is trying to connect, that's what I'd like to find out. How can I tell? The logfile is decidedly unhelpful...
[05:07] <holstein> !details | Guest9377
[05:08] <holstein> wad: have you tried as another user?
[05:08] <wad> I'm running unity and compiz
[05:08] <wad> I have not tried that.
[05:08] <wad> I can... 1 moment please.
[05:08] <holstein> wad: it wont hurt... go for it
[05:08] <Guest9377> ubottu, I am running Kubuntu 13.04, have Nvidia 8400 GS card, I can not select my monitor's proper size. It is an Asus P203W monitor.
[05:08] <Guest9377> oh
[05:09] <Rexodus> lol
[05:09] <holstein> Guest9377: "proper" can depend on a lot of things... though, i would try "arandr"
[05:09] <Guest9377> regardless, I still need immediate help, going crazy
[05:09] <holstein> !volunteers | Guest9377
[05:10] <Guest9377> I will try arandr but I dont think it will solve anything. xrandr shows the max. res is 1024x768 when my monitor's is 1680x1050
[05:10] <Guest9377> latest nvidia driver is installed and running
[05:10] <wad> holstein, it's just my account. I went in as the guest account, and it was there, but not growing. Just a couple of k large.
[05:10] <holstein> Guest9377: some other useful info would be, if it ever used the resolution that you want, or if something inparticular happened to break it..
[05:10] <wad> holstein, do you know of a way to figure out what is dumping stuff into it?
[05:10]  * wad tries ps
[05:10] <holstein> Guest9377: you can try with the other driver as well, or different versions... or tweaking the xorg.conf manually
[05:10] <Guest9377> holstein, no, fresh install of kubuntu 13.04.
[05:11] <Guest9377> it did work with 12.10 xubuntu though.
[05:12] <Guest9377> holstein, other than Nvidia, Nouveau, what other drivers are there?
[05:12] <Guest9377> for Nvidia cards, specifically 8400gs
[05:12] <Guest9377> GS*
[05:12] <holstein> Guest9377: well, theres always vesa, but i was speaking about the open one
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | holstein
[05:12] <holstein> !nvidia | Guest9377 is the official documntation
[05:12] <holstein> lotuspsychje: lol
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:13] <Guest9377> holstein, I think it has to do with EDID. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[05:13] <Guest9377> I dont understand the paragraph of  "Problem: Incorrect Resolution when no EDID available such as from old monitor or a KVM device"
[05:13] <Guest9377> Can you help me understand it please?
[05:13] <Guest9377> where do I put this? "video=VGA1:1024x768"?
[05:14] <holstein> Guest9377: thats what i was talking about, with the xorg.conf.. my nvidia driver created one that i use, though edit as needed
[05:14] <Guest9377> holstein, please read pm
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Guest9377
[05:15] <holstein> Guest9377: no thanks.. put it in the main channel, please.. and make sure you ask before PM'ing volunteers :)
[05:15] <Guest9377> ok, can you help me tweak my xorg.conf? I am quite my monitor size error has to do with EDID
[05:15] <Guest9377> My monitor's res. should be 1680x1050. How do I put that in xorg.conf?
[05:16] <Guest9377> arandr doesn't have my monitor's res either :(
[05:16] <alocer> Guest9377: can you get me the output of "xrandr" ???
[05:16] <Guest9377> alocer, ok, one moment
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> how come xscreensaver conflicts with gnome default screensaver deamon every boot, so i cant never actually use xscreensaver
[05:19] <Guest9377> alocer, here you go mate http://fpaste.org/22619/28675137/
[05:20] <alocer> Guest9377: first get your modeline with cvt like : "cvt 1680 1050"
[05:21] <Guest9377> alocer, how?
[05:21] <alocer> type in the terminal :"cvt 1680 1050"
[05:22] <alocer> Guest9377: then --> sudo xrandr --newmode [the modeline from cvt]
[05:22] <Guest9377> alocer, how do I get my modeline with cvt?
[05:22] <Guest9377> I dont understand.
[05:23] <alocer> type " man cvt" that will do it
[05:24] <Guest9377> run cvt with sudo?
[05:24] <alocer> Guest9377: no
[05:24] <alocer> that dosent make any difference
[05:25] <Guest9377> so just "cvt -v -h1680 -v1050", yes?
[05:25] <bazhang> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/quantal/en/man1/cvt.1.html     Guest9377
[05:25] <Guest9377> so just "cvt -v -h1680 -v1050", yes? please confirm
[05:25] <Guest9377> I am not sure if I should put -h and -v
[05:26] <alocer> ummm  w8
[05:26] <bazhang> so read the link above Guest9377
[05:26] <alocer> no u should not
[05:26] <alocer> cvt 1680 1050
[05:26] <Guest9377> bazhang, it is not so clear
[05:27] <Guest9377> ok I run "cvt -v 1680 1050"
[05:27] <Guest9377> now I must run just "sudo xrandr --newmode" ?
[05:27] <alocer> Guest9377: get me output please ... tnx
[05:28] <Guest9377> alocer, fpaste.org/22620/37282928
[05:29] <alocer> Guest9377:  xrandr --newmode "1680x1050_60.00"  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync
[05:30] <Guest9377> ok
[05:31] <alocer> Guest9377: --addmode DVI-I-0 "1680x1050_60.00"
[05:31] <alocer> xrandr --addmode DVI-I-0 "1680x1050_60.00"
[05:32] <Guest9377> all in one line?
[05:33] <Guest9377> first line is not working ( error without the -addmode.....)
[05:33] <alocer> 1. xrandr --newmode "1680x1050_60.00"  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync'
[05:34] <Guest9377> okay, pasted it all, run via sudo, now it just shows a _
[05:34] <alocer> 2. xrandr --addmode DVI-I-0 1680x1050_60.00
[05:35] <disdi> hi
[05:35] <Guest9377> trying...
[05:35] <alocer> ok
[05:36] <disdi> I am having problem with mount -t <filesystem> <dev> <dir>
[05:36] <Guest9377> alocer, should the " ' " at the end of 1st line be there?
[05:36] <alocer> Guest9377: no
[05:37] <disdi> can someone help
[05:37] <Ekushey> what is the problem, disdi?
[05:38] <rms_> alocer: http://fpaste.org/22623/28298481/
[05:38] <disdi>  I am having problem with mount -t <filesystem> <dev> <dir>
[05:39] <rms_> that's me on other computer btw
[05:39] <alocer> ok
[05:39] <Ekushey> disdi: yeah, but what is the problem?
[05:40] <rms_> alocer: same error on 2nd command too.
[05:40] <rms_> no, let me paste. a bit different
[05:40] <alocer> rms_: let me check plz
[05:40] <rms_> alocer: http://fpaste.org/22624/72830044/
[05:40] <rms_> thanks man!
[05:41] <rms_> Greatly appreciated. Been trying without luck for 12 hours now. didnt sleep all night.
[05:41] <disdi> see...when i am giving command like  mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb /mnt
[05:41] <disdi> its always giving error
[05:42] <disdi> wrong fs, bad superblock
[05:42] <disdi> irrespective of fs
[05:42] <disdi> Ekushey
[05:44] <Ekushey> disdi: it should be like /dev/sdbx, where x is a number
[05:44] <aiten_44> disdi: fdisk -l should give you the sdx you need
[05:44] <disdi> mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[05:44] <disdi> still error persists
[05:45] <disdi> I even diaabled automounting from Nautilus
[05:45] <aiten_44> disdi: do you have write permissions to /mnt?
[05:45] <disdi> *disabled
[05:45] <disdi> didnt check
[05:45] <disdi> but I am using sudo with the above commanad
[05:46] <aiten_44> disdi: did you do fdisk -l?
[05:46] <Guest9377> alocer, any news mate?
[05:46] <disdi> I did df
[05:46] <alocer> Guest9377:  google says your monitor dosent support the resolution ... i dont know
[05:47] <aiten_44> disdi: I could be wrong but doesn't that only show mounted filesystems?
[05:47] <ripdisk> alright
[05:47] <ripdisk> think i got it all set up
[05:47] <Guest9377> but it does. 1680 x 1050 is its resolution and I was using that until yesterday on Windows 7
[05:47] <Guest9377> ASUS P203W monitor.
[05:47] <ripdisk> so like, what's the best way to play youtube videos? adobe's flash? or is there something easier and better
[05:47] <Guest9377> ripdisk, minitube
[05:48] <ripdisk> does it let me log in and see my playlists
[05:48] <disdi> ok but fdisk -l doenst return anything
[05:48] <Guest9377> ripdisk, I dont think so
[05:48] <ripdisk> is minitube like, a website? or is it something I can install
[05:48] <aiten_44> disdi: sudo fdisk -l
[05:48] <ripdisk> be more specific :(
[05:48] <ripdisk> leet, doom 3 is almost done downloading.
[05:49] <ripdisk> i mean, i don't pirate software.
[05:49] <alocer> i really dont know i m stuck
[05:49] <arooni-mobile> my dns resolutoin was messed up on ubuntu; so i edited /etc/resolv.con and put in name severs. but at top of file says: "# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)"  so was i not supposed to fix it that way?
[05:49] <alocer> Guest9377: try this --> xrandr --fb 1680x1050
[05:50] <ripdisk> can i do terminal commands in xchat i wonder?
[05:50] <ripdisk> like /run sudo apt-get install minitube
[05:50] <ripdisk> let's try
[05:50] <ripdisk> no, there is no /run on xchat :(
[05:50] <Guest9377> alocer, ok 3 minutes, my computer just freeze out of the blue!
[05:50] <centaur5> I want to setup my 1st HA cluster. Anybody have an opinion on best storage options? GlusterFS, corosync, or pacemaker?
[05:50] <disdi> airten_44: fdisk -l shows /dev/sdb1 as fat32
[05:51] <disdi> now I want to mount it as btrfs
[05:51] <disdi> aiten_44: what to do
[05:51] <aiten_44> disdi: you cant just mount it as a different type of filesystem it has to be formated as that filesystem
[05:51] <aiten_44> disdi: if you want it mounted try sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[05:52] <ripdisk> ok now, so....is wine and stuff built into ubuntu or do i gotta go find cedega or transgaming or whatever the hell it's called these days
[05:53] <disdi>  aiten_44: I did get mounted with sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[05:53] <disdi> but I want it to be mounted in btrfs
[05:53] <k1l_> ripdisk: you should use the package managment, it ships wine for example
[05:53] <disdi> aiten_44: what should I do?
[05:53] <ripdisk> yeah but is wine GOOD enough for stuff like doom3 now?
[05:53] <ripdisk> because back in the day, well not that long ago, we had to use cedega
[05:54] <rms_> alocer:  I run that command, my monitor flashed once, nothing changed at all.
[05:54] <aiten_44> disdi: you need to format /deb/sdb1 as btrfs not sure why  you would want that btrfs isn't super stable yet
[05:54] <k1l_> ripdisk: that depends on alot of things. better look into te wine appdb and ask the wine guys
[05:54] <ripdisk> see, i'm a gentoo and slackware kinda guy... i'm not used to all of this stuff being done for me
[05:54] <rms_> however, when I scroll down, my screen moves up, leaving a black space down
[05:54] <disdi> aiten_44: no actually i have designed a custom filesystem driver
[05:54] <ripdisk> I am digging this ubuntu distro though, it's not too bad. I just built a box and didn't wanna compile a kernel
[05:54] <disdi> I actually want to mount that
[05:55] <disdi> so I was just testiing
[05:55] <aiten_44> disdi: you designed a custom btrfs driver?
[05:55] <alocer> rms_: i acnt help any further but i can give you this and i m not an expert so i can not help you any further read these --> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg
[05:55] <disdi> a custom filesystem driver
[05:55] <alocer> rms_: read this too --> man xorg.conf
[05:55] <disdi> a derivative fo unionfs
[05:55] <Guest9377> alocer, okay thanks a lot!
[05:56] <alocer> Guest9377: that was all i can do
[05:56] <Guest9377> alocer, I am quite sure it has to do with EDID though. Do you know what does this paragraph mean at all? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[05:56] <disdi> aiten_44: so how do i format a drive before mounting it
[05:56] <disdi> in a specific fs
[05:56] <Guest9377> alocer, where do I put this line as it says in the guide? "video=VGA1:1024x768 "
[05:56] <aiten_44> disdi: gparted is probably the easiest way
[05:57] <Guest9377> Guys, If I Want to double boot, do I install Windows 7 first or Ubuntu first so I dont have problems with the bootloaders?
[05:57] <cfhowlett> Guest9377, windows first
[05:58] <Guest9377> ok
[05:58] <k1l_> Guest9377: first windows
[05:58] <cfhowlett> Guest9377, and it'd be "dual boot" ... nitpicky I know...
[05:58] <Guest9377> yes
[05:58] <Guest9377> ok
[05:58] <Guest9377> thnx
[05:58] <cfhowlett> !dualboot
[05:58] <k1l_> Guest9377: best is to make the partitions for windows and ubuntu before you start
[05:58] <aiten_44> disdi: just a warning if you format it  you will lose everything you have.  If you designed the driver I don't understand why your having issues simply formating a drive which is much easier than writing a device driver
[05:59] <alocer> Guest9377: DONT MESS with kernel parameters unless you know what you are doing ;) . try crafting a suitable Xorg.conf.
[05:59] <Guest9377> It is really strange. Xubuntu 12.10 worked out of the box on same machine, now won't even boot. Ubuntu and it's derivates on 13.04 won't let me pick my right monitor size.
[05:59] <Guest9377> just as I needed to do work. *sigh*
[06:00] <alocer> Guest9377: it worked then second time didn't worked ? what ?
[06:01] <alocer> Guest9377: are you on Virtual OS ? like virtualbox ?
[06:01] <Guest9377> alocer, I used Xubuntu 12.10 on this machine for few months, worked great. Trying to boot from same distro via USB, won't boot now.
[06:01] <Guest9377> Kubuntu, Xubuntu 13.04 all have same monitor problem.
[06:01] <Guest9377> Same goes for Fedora 19 and Linux Mint 15.
[06:01] <disdi> aiten_44:
[06:01] <Guest9377> Windows 7 works
[06:01] <disdi> see the problem is not this
[06:01] <alocer> Guest9377: what is your Graphic driver ?
[06:02] <disdi> the problem is I was using a utility called Gparted
[06:02] <alocer> Guest9377: Intel, Nvidia, AIT ?
[06:02] <disdi> uptil now
[06:02] <Guest9377> alocer, Nvidia 8400 GS running on Nvidia current driver from  ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[06:03] <Guest9377> it wouldn't let me pick my monitor size on noveau either.
[06:03] <alocer> Guest9377: do you have optimus technology ? I dont know anything about graphic driver ?
[06:03] <aiten_44> Guest 9377: backtrack linux has the same problem and they have solutions so search google for backtrack I forget exactly what I had to do but you have set nomodset and something else in grub for booting
[06:03] <disdi> aiten_44: Now without using Gparted , I want to do it from command prompt since I want to test the mount functionality of ne deriver
[06:03] <Guest9377> aiten_44, yes I did install Kubuntu 13.04 via "nomodeset" when booting the USB.
[06:03] <Guest9377> otherwise my monitor would just go in sleep mode.
[06:04] <aiten_44> disdi: you have still need to format it and I can't really help because I don't know anything about what you designed/customized
[06:05] <hehe> 嗨
[06:05] <disdi> aiten_44: how do I format a drive from terminal in a particular fs
[06:05] <liq> hello everyone. I got a little confused about video4linux on ubuntu. I can't find anything on the web. Does kernel that ubuntu is shipped with has video4linux support? I'm having problems with pumping video from 1394 port to v4l with coriander.
[06:05] <aiten_44> guest9377: the nomodset is  only part of the issue you need set the second half of it can you do ctrl + alt + f1 and see the login prompt correctly?
[06:05] <disdi> aiten-44 : this is my question
[06:05] <babinlonston> I have 1 Server which was installed With centos 6.2 and there was a Samba Share the Directory /public was shared in the centos Server, its IP address is 192.168.1.15 , And I Have accessed the Share in Ubuntu 12.04 client machines by connect to server just giving IP address and share folder name , But i want to Mount the Samba Share in all client machines Permanently by Adding entries in fstab , i want to mount in a folder name c
[06:05] <somsip_> disdi: mkfs.ext4 or mkfs.ext3 for example
[06:05] <hehe> hello
[06:06] <hehe> hi
[06:06] <aiten_44> disdi: What type of fs driver are you using I won't be able to help unless I know that at a minimum
[06:06] <hehe> ??
[06:06] <Guest9377> aiten_44, no I just add nomodeset to boot parameters or start the distro in compatibility mode or basic graphics. otherwise it would just let the monitor go in sleep mode.
[06:06] <hehe> ??
[06:06] <somsip_> hehe: what is your support question?
[06:06] <SwedeMike> !hello | hehe
[06:07] <Guest9377> 13 hours on this problem. tried 5 different distros. I am done. What is best way to burn windows 7 iso via Ubuntu to USB?
[06:07] <hehe> who are you?
[06:07] <somsip_> !ot | hehe
[06:07] <hehe> sorry~
[06:07] <hehe> bye~
[06:07] <liq> lol
[06:07] <disdi> somsip_: now after mkfs.ext4 or mkfs.ext3 for example do i need to do mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb /mnt
[06:08] <somsip_> disdi: if you want to mount it, that's just what you need to do. But you mount a partition and not a drive, usually
[06:08] <aiten_44> disdi: yes but that is for ext4 is that what your trying to use
[06:08] <disdi> somsip_:or mount /dev/sdb /nt
[06:08] <somsip_> disdi: mount /dev/sdb1 /mountpoint (for example)
[06:09] <aiten_44> somsip: disdi is using a custom driver and wants to mount it btrfs
[06:09] <disdi> airten_44:sure but then I fill include a support a similar function for my fs
[06:09] <disdi> aiten_44: I said I am just testing
[06:09] <somsip_> aiten_44: Right now, he's not asking me that question so disdi needs to ask the right question
[06:09] <babinlonston> I have 1 Server which was installed With centos 6.2 and there was a Samba Share the Directory /public was shared in the centos Server, its IP address is 192.168.1.15 , And I Have accessed the Share in Ubuntu 12.04 client machines by connect to server just giving IP address and share folder name , But i want to Mount the Samba Share in all client machines Permanently by Adding entries in fstab , i want to mount in a folder name c
[06:09] <foo357> Hello, I've got a computer running 12.04 LTS where I'd like to run a version 9.0 postgresql database. I see that 9.1 is available but I'd really need 9.0. Is postgresql 9.0 available for 12.04 LTS?
[06:09] <disdi> so that similar support I can give to my fs
[06:09] <somsip_> foo357: you might be able to find a PPA, but...
[06:10] <disdi> somsip_: thankyou
[06:10] <somsip_> !PPA | foo357
[06:11] <foo357> somsip_: how can I check which version of a package is available? I only checked the latest which was 9.1.
[06:11] <foo357> somsip_: what versions*
[06:11] <aiten_44> disdi: just to be clear you want btrfs right which is what the driver is for correct?
[06:11] <somsip_> foo357: search here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[06:12] <disdi> aiten_44:actually the fs i designed ia a derivative of unionfs and btrfs
[06:12] <liq> Ive got little confused about video4linux on ubuntu. I can't find anything on the web. Does the kernel ubuntu is shipped with has video4linux support? I'm having problems with pumping video from 1394 port to v4l with coriander.
[06:12] <disdi> so i was testing the drive with btrfs
[06:13] <aiten_44> disdi: ok so you will have to google how to format a drive as btrfs and then you should be able to mount it but using mount -t ext4 I wouldn't work which is why you were getting errors
[06:14] <disdi> aiten_44: most probably you are right
[06:16] <phix> disdi: how is btrfs?
[06:16] <phix> I haven't messed with it myself
[06:17] <aiten_44> disdi: I'm kinda curious now about what you customized if you don't mind me asking?
[06:17] <disdi> aiten_44: do you know about unionfs
[06:18] <aiten_44> disdi: I have heard of it but have never used it
[06:18] <disdi> aiten_44: one that knoppix distro uses
[06:18] <disdi> aiten_44: tried knoppix
[06:18] <disdi> aiten_44: Linux Live CD distro
[06:19] <aiten_44> I used knoppix back in the day before I understood what filesystems were.  I'm googling unionfs right now to learn a little bit more about it
[06:19] <disdi> phix: its a kind of fs
[06:19] <disdi> aiten_44: knoppix has this ability of live cd because of unionfs
[06:21] <aiten_44> disdi: so basically if you had a usb drive and were to edit something unionfs gives your edit priority over what is on the usb image
[06:23] <disdi> actually its basically works on cdrom....to make it work on usb I have to add compression features of btrfs to it
[06:24] <aiten_44> according to wikipedia which I know isn't always correct you should be able to use it on usb and shouldn't need btrfs.
[06:24] <disdi> about the use case you would boot thorugh a usb drive, the os would run , you would make all the changes but when you reinsert it again next time again a fresh distro you will encounter
[06:25] <phix> disdi: yeah it has copy on right and other funkies
[06:25] <phix> write even
[06:25] <phix> disdi: do you know how it compares with zfs?
[06:25] <disdi> yes...your changes actually dont get written....
[06:25] <disdi> zfs is different
[06:26] <disdi> it actuallly provides more storage space I guess
[06:26] <disdi> phix:
[06:26] <aiten_44> disdi: I have used bootable usb with persistant changes and they were not btrfs
[06:27] <disdi> btrfs has better compression features
[06:27] <phix> but is less mature right?
[06:27] <disdi> so perhaps lot of modulea and applications can be booted
[06:30] <phix> disdi: does it have fsck for it yet?
[06:34] <JesseH> I'm trying to install "pango1.0" with apt-get but its telling me that a lot of dependencies depend on "libglib2.0" but i have libglib 2.37 installed already.
[06:36] <disdi> phix: I dont know
[06:38] <phix> yeah I should do my own research :P
[06:40] <yogurtmaster> I have a question
[06:40] <aeon-ltd> ask it
[06:40] <cfhowlett> yogurtmaster, of course you do ...
[06:40] <aeon-ltd> next time don't wait for permission
[06:40] <yogurtmaster> I have a USB 3.0 thumb drive and I want Ubuntu to boot with percistence.  I tried what a video said on youtube but it won't boot
[06:41] <cfhowlett> !persistence
[06:43] <yogurtmaster> I want to use most of my memory stick instead of only the 4 Gigs with the casper file
[06:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> yogurtmaster: easiest way for a true persistent usb, I find, is to boot from cd/dvd and use the installer to install to usb just like it was a hdd. I've created usbs in this manner for my friends netbook with a burnt out ssd.
[06:43] <yogurtmaster> I have a 32 gigabyte USB 3.0 memory stick
[06:43] <yogurtmaster> ntz, I tried that but it booted into windows
[06:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> yogurtmaster: did you set your bios boot priority right?
[06:44] <yogurtmaster> ntz, when I use a program like a USB installer it boots right up
[06:44] <yogurtmaster> but I don't want to make a live CD, I want to boot with persistence
[06:44] <yogurtmaster> boot priority is set proper
[06:44] <yogurtmaster> USB/CD/HARD DRIVE
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> !caps | yogurtmaster
[06:45] <JesseH> ?
[06:46] <JesseH> !caps | lotuspsychje
[06:46] <dill> i install an epson nx130 but scanner is not recgonized any idea what can be wrong?
[06:46] <yogurtmaster> usb/cd/hard drive
[06:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> lotuspsychje: hes not shouting, lol. these things tend to be refferred to in caps in BIOS
[06:46] <tannji> lol, he wasn't actually shouting, unless you count hard drive
[06:46] <cfhowlett> yogurtmaster, read the link.  it shows how to set up a USB
[06:46] <yogurtmaster> I put a live cd on the usb thumb and it booted right up, when I did it manually it did not
[06:47] <tannji> grub issue, perhaps?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !lol | tannji
[06:47] <yogurtmaster> do i need to use fat32 format for it to boot?:
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> i dint invent the rules
[06:47] <yogurtmaster> I turned it over to ext4
[06:47] <cfhowlett> yogurtmaster, fat32 is the default for booting.  ext4 is ubuntu's default format
[06:47] <phix> yogurtmaster: no why would you think that?
[06:48] <dill> ?
[06:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> yogurtmaster: a usb-installer stick is generally fat32, but you want a for real install so ext4 would be the right one.
[06:48] <tannji> thanks lotuspsychje , although one instance is not a "regular basis"
[06:48] <JesseH> lol I hate when people say lol all the time lol?
[06:48] <yogurtmaster> well, trying to figure out why it won't boot
[06:48] <JesseH> That doesnt bother you
[06:48] <histo> yogurtmaster: You can have it boot with iso9660 filesystem if you just dd the iso to a usb
[06:48] <JesseH> !being_a_dick | lotuspsychje
[06:48] <JesseH> Oh they dont have one for that.
[06:48] <histo> yogurtmaster: what is it you are trying to do exactly
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> !language | JesseH
[06:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> histo: he wants full persistance.
[06:48] <yogurtmaster> yeah, iso to usb isn't what I want
[06:48] <histo> !language | JesseH
[06:48] <yogurtmaster> i don't want a live cd
[06:48] <histo> !persistence | yogurtmaster
[06:49] <yogurtmaster> want a hard drive on a stick
[06:49] <JesseH> Oh my god, you guys love using that bot.
[06:49] <histo> yogurtmaster: then install ubuntu to usb
[06:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> Jettis_: its usefull, but some do overuse and abuse it.
[06:49] <bvm1228> Is there a way to change the partition of my Ubuntu install
[06:50] <cfhowlett> bvm1228, as in "move" ... better to reinstall to the partition you want
[06:50] <histo> bvm1228: yes you can create another partition and move your files there and fix fstab etc...
[06:50] <yogurtmaster> yeah I tried installing ubuntu to usb didn't boot
[06:50] <histo> yogurtmaster: how did you "install" it?
[06:50] <histo> yogurtmaster: make sure you install grub to it and you use the boot flag on the partition.
[06:51] <yogurtmaster> used gparted to set up a ext4 on sb1, put the boot loader on usb 3.0 and installed it on sb1
[06:51] <bvm1228> I already made a partition for it before I installed it but when I clicked install alongside windows 8, it didnt let me choose where to install it at and it put it in the wrong partiton
[06:51] <phix> yogurtmaster: booting off a USB drive has nothing to do with that file system is on it.  PC BIOS looks at the first 512 bytes of the disc, which is were the partition table is, in order to boot it looks for what ever partition has the boot flag enabled or it boots of the Master Boot Record is that exists.  U/EFI systems do a similar thing
[06:51] <yogurtmaster> the / was used to boot
[06:51] <cfhowlett> yogurtmaster, comprehensive instructions on creating a bootable USB with persistence at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence?action=show&redirect=LiveCDPersistence
[06:51] <histo> yogurtmaster: did you install grub to sdb?
[06:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> yogurtmaster: check your pm's ;)
[06:52] <wilee-nilee> yogurtmaster, You can make a casper rw partition. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/create-a-larger-than-4gb-casper-partition/
[06:53] <yogurtmaster> okay, why isn't this easy?
[06:53] <histo> yogurtmaster: if you boot an iso you can install to the usb just like a hard drive if that's what you want. Or you could debootstrap the install there.
[06:53] <wilee-nilee> yogurtmaster, Problem here is that not every app can be updated, like kernels for example in general.
[06:53] <histo> yogurtmaster: because you are not listening and you are installing an operating system to a usb thumb drive
[06:54] <phix> yogurtmaster: it is easy :)
[06:57] <MOUD> Hey all
[06:57] <phix> MOUD: G'day
[06:57] <MOUD> phix: good day to you too :)
[06:57] <phix> :D
[06:58] <MOUD> how can I create 2 primary partitions on a USB using GParted? It only allows 1 primary partition.
[06:58] <phix> MOUD: just do it :)  that's how I do it
[06:59] <MOUD> GPart says that it is not possible to create more than 1 primary partition (using Ubuntu 13.04)
[06:59] <phix> really?
[07:00] <MOUD> yeap :/
[07:02] <wilee-nilee> MOUD, take a screenshot of you attempting this an the error and image bin it make sure gparted is visable.
[07:02] <tannji> Moud....  why do you have to have more than one primary partition?  you cant use extended and logical partitions?
[07:03] <prod_> hi
[07:03] <MOUD> tannji: no
[07:03] <MOUD> prod_: hello
[07:03] <prod_> Hi all, i have a problem with resolution on my 12.04 ubuntu system.
[07:03] <prod_> I cant set the optimal resolution, either i get scrambled display or it wont stay persistent.
[07:03] <phix> MOUD: why? that also makes no sense
[07:04] <phix> prod_: ok, what video card you sporting there?
[07:04] <prod_> I have followed the resolution tutorial but no joy
[07:04] <prod_> its an intel p4 system
[07:04] <prod_> ill get the details
[07:05] <MOUD> any good website to post the image?
[07:05] <wilee-nilee> !imagebin
[07:05] <ad134> i have a question, what if you dont have a prtscr button
[07:05] <aeon-ltd> scrot
[07:05] <ad134> is there another method
[07:06] <aeon-ltd> scrot in terminal
[07:06] <ad134> oh thank you!
[07:06] <phix> prod_: lspci, lsusb etc..
[07:06] <ad134> i  was using an apple keyboard
[07:06] <ad134> and old one
[07:06] <wilee-nilee> ad134, Yeah in the menu
[07:06] <wilee-nilee> screenshot
[07:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> MOD: also you may like this script, it will imagebin your screen automatically: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5839521/ (it depends on scrot)
[07:06] <MOUD> williammanda: http://imagebin.org/263276
[07:07] <prod_> The monitor is a 5:4 1280x1024. graphics card 82Q963/q965 onboard intel.  I have followed the resolution guides but just get scrambled screen
[07:07] <dill> ubuntu is not recgonizing the scanner
[07:08] <histo> dill: what kind of scanner?
[07:08] <dill> epson nx130
[07:08] <tannji> MOUD,  it says right there you have first create the extended, which is a primary partition.  create the extended partition in the unallocated space
[07:08] <MOUD> tannji: I can't. the Extended option is grayed out
[07:09] <histo> dill: doesn't epson provide a driver?
[07:09] <prod_> phix: The monitor is a 5:4 1280x1024. graphics card 82Q963/q965 onboard intel.  I have followed the resolution guides but just get scrambled screen
[07:09] <dill> http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModuleFromResult yes
[07:09] <wilee-nilee> MOUD, Run the delete first then make the partitions running them consecutively is a problem in the way you are doing it.
[07:10] <dill> installed already but is not working, but printer works just finw
[07:10] <phix> prod_: nice
[07:10] <tannji> MOUD,  I believe all you have to do is select the area below called "unallocated, then in the menu, or with a right-click, tell it what you want, in this case, extended
[07:11] <tannji> MOUD,  what wilee said, click the green checkmark
[07:11] <MOUD> wilee-nilee: I already did the delete part.
[07:11] <histo> dill: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[07:12] <dill> 12.04
[07:12] <wilee-nilee> MOUD, Then why does it show it in the bottom?
[07:12] <tannji> MOUD,  you chose the action, but didnt tell it to complete it yet..... click green check mark up top
[07:12] <MOUD> tannji: ok, will doo
[07:12] <MOUD> *do
[07:13] <histo> dill: perhaps http://www.hamrick.com/   people have reported success with that scanner and this vuescan application
[07:14] <grahamsavage> hi, i've recently migrated from osx to ubuntu and i'm struggling with the UI
[07:14] <dill> the funny thing it was working just fine, but new pc new install and now is gone!
[07:14] <grahamsavage> For example.. if i open 30 terminal windows.. how can i quickly switch from one to the other?
[07:15] <grahamsavage> when i click on the terminal application in the sidebar, it only brings to focus the "most recent active" terminal window
[07:15] <boydoy> hi! i just wan to ask.. what best for virtualization SAN or NAS
[07:15] <prod_> My monitor is a 5:4 1280x1024. graphics card 82Q963/q965 onboard intel. ubuntu 12.04. I have followed the resolution guides but just get scrambled screen. Need help badly
[07:15] <grahamsavage> to bring them all up, i have to click the terminal application again and then i can only open one of them
[07:15] <tannji> grahamsavage,  alt+tab?
[07:15] <histo> dill: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/?OSC=LX  is the link to search for the linux drivers. I see one for your scanner available. If it doesn't work you'd have to contact epson
[07:15] <phix> boydoy: doesn't matter
[07:16] <grahamsavage> tannji: again.. alt tab will only open the most recent terminal window
[07:16] <MOUD> it worked, I had to go to "Device" -> "Create Partition Table". thanks for the help :)
[07:16] <histo> prod_: You get a scrambled screen at the resolution or all of them?
[07:16] <phix> boydoy: you can use either as well as the other, they have their pros and cons, whether you access it from a virtual machine or not is irelavent
[07:16] <tannji> grahamsavage,  on mine, alt+tab opens a box full of open apps to click
[07:16] <grahamsavage> tannji: try this.. open 15 terminal windows.. and then shutdown all except terminal window  no 7.. type some text in it
[07:16] <prod_> histo: Just when I try using the optimal resolution
[07:16] <dill> thats where i installed, no luck. but the printer is working is just thescanner
[07:17] <phix> dill: I like your nick
[07:17] <tannji> MOUD,  gratz = )
[07:17] <grahamsavage> tannji: you can only switch to one of them at a time
[07:17] <dill> thanc
[07:17] <phix> MOUD: yaya! grats
[07:17] <dill> thanx
[07:17] <histo> prod_: are you sure your monitor supports that resolution?
[07:17] <MOUD> tannji, phix, ty :D
[07:17] <histo> dill: did you install the "scanner" driver in addition to the printer driver?
[07:17] <MOUD> and thanks wilee-nilee too :)
[07:17] <dill> no, its and all in one thing
[07:17] <histo> dill: not from my search it's not
[07:18] <wilee-nilee> MOUD, no prob
[07:18] <prod_> histo: I have taken the settings from the tech specs of the monitor. I have tryed 60 and 75Hz also with the same problem
[07:18] <dill> it is a multifunctional
[07:18] <histo> dill: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=EN&CN2=&DSCMI=22685&DSCCHK=3e5c6176b00f58a8faf637858540b40364fe0d61  is the scanner driver
[07:18] <tannji> grahamsavage,  try this: hit alt+tab, then when you see term, tab to make it active, but do NOT let go of alt....  it will open all the terms for you to choose from
[07:18] <prod_> histo: It worked once or twice yesterday but the xrandr --newmode wasnt persistent
[07:18] <histo> prod_: well something is probably wrong with your modeline then that you are making.
[07:19] <boydoy> ahh ok..
[07:19] <histo> prod_: are you setting the same mode with xrandr now?
[07:19] <prod_> histo: im just copying and pasting.
[07:19] <grahamsavage> tannji: how do i bring every window to the front?
[07:19] <grahamsavage> tannji: agian that only lets me select a single window to bring forward
[07:19] <boydoy> any link i can follow to make my own virtualization using ubuntu server
[07:19] <prod_> histo: afaik im not doin anything differently to yesterday.
[07:20] <tannji> grahamsavage,  not sure what you mean.  you want all  instances of term visible at one time?
[07:20] <histo> prod_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63681/how-can-i-make-xrandr-customization-permanent/63855#63855
[07:20] <grahamsavage> ok.. so over the day.. i will open probably 15 - 30 terminal windows for different operations.. at some points of the day i will want to close every single one of them except prehaps 4
[07:20] <grahamsavage> currently i have to go through this tedious process
[07:20] <tannji> right
[07:21] <histo> grahamsavage: why don't you use screen?
[07:21] <grahamsavage> of selecting them one by one to bring them to the front
[07:21] <histo> grahamsavage: or tmux
[07:21] <grahamsavage> histo: i'd like to use the UI
[07:21] <tannji> ya, I was going to say, isnt there an option to use a terminal with multiple tabs in it?
[07:22] <histo> yea or tabbed terminals
[07:22] <unimpressive> Okay, so first of all linthesia is broken in the 12.04 repos.
[07:22] <grahamsavage> I dont' want tabbed terminals
[07:22] <grahamsavage> i like to lay them out all over the place
[07:22] <histo> grahamsavage: Okay I want to do something completely retarded and how do I do it?
[07:22] <unimpressive> Second of all, to fix it I need to change the font settings for the app with gconf, except I'm using XFCE so I can't use gconf, any ideas?
[07:22] <histo> grahamsavage: do you mena like a tiling window manager?
[07:22] <grahamsavage> not really... ok
[07:23] <histo> grahamsavage: what is it you want to do exactly?
[07:23] <grahamsavage> In OSX, if you have 30 terminal windows open and you click the terminal application, all of the terminal windows come to the foreground
[07:23] <royx117> can any one tell me how to remove .rar password , i have tried rarcrack , fcrackzip
[07:23] <royx117> can any one tell me how to remove .rar password , i have tried rarcrack , fcrackzip
[07:23] <tannji> ok, I get laying them out... but if they are covering eachother, you gain nothing over a tabbed terminal
[07:24] <grahamsavage> what that means is that across the 2 monitors it's very easy to close individual terminal windows
[07:24] <histo> grahamsavage: it does that in unity as well
[07:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> !patience | royx117
[07:24] <aeon-ltd> royx117: good luck brute forcing.
[07:24] <grahamsavage> histo: hmm in mine it doesn't
[07:24] <royx117> can any one tell me how to remove .rar password , i have tried rarcrack , fcrackzip
[07:24] <histo> royx117: download a wordlist and bruteforce it
[07:24] <grahamsavage> histo: i just get the most recent one opening
[07:25] <grahamsavage> histo: when i click on it again i get this zoomed out view of every window
[07:25] <histo> grahamsavage: if I have a bunch of terminal windows open they are all stacked on my launcher under the terminal icon. If it click that icon it does a scale thing and shows me all of them zoomed out.
[07:25] <royx117> i newbie
[07:25] <tannji> grahamsavage wants an alt+tab that is persistent, so he can rapidly close terminals without multiple button presses
[07:25] <Lynxx> Windows does it better
[07:25] <grahamsavage> tannji: no that' snot what i want
[07:25] <grahamsavage> tannji: i want to have all the windows come to the foreground so i can click on x's
[07:25] <grahamsavage> drag them around
[07:25] <grahamsavage> sort them out etc..
[07:26] <histo> grahamsavage: hold up I'm looking for the compiz thing that used to do that.
[07:26] <aeon-ltd> you want to focus on all windows of one application
[07:26] <tannji> grahamsavage,  i know...  havent seen that option in a while, lol
[07:26] <royx117> histo thanx i will try
[07:27] <grahamsavage> pids=" $(pidof gnome-terminal) "; wmctrl -lp | while read id a pid b; do test "${pids/ $pid }" != "$pids" && wmctrl -i -a $id; done << lol
[07:27] <grahamsavage> that works
[07:27] <tannji> I use work spaces to group 2 or 4 terminals together
[07:27] <histo> grahamsavage: they called it expose or something in compiz
[07:28] <prod_> histo: So I just found another problem. Even when the displays menu resets from the nonfunctional 1280x1024 it switches back to 1024x768 and the screen is still scrambled. So it seems when switching the resolution the screen scrambles. So my settings are probably right.
[07:29] <histo> grahamsavage: so you want to close windows from super+w view?
[07:29] <grahamsavage> nah
[07:29] <grahamsavage> i just want to bring them to the front
[07:29] <dill> i have another question, some files that are on my desktop, they dont apear only via nautilus desktop. any odea what can be wrong?
[07:29] <grahamsavage> that command above does that
[07:29] <tannji> he just wants them all visible at once, unlike alt+tab where they recede after closing or focusing on one
[07:29] <grahamsavage> yeah exactly
[07:29] <histo> grahamsavage: well if I super+w and then click on a terminal window it brings it to the front. If I hit super+s I can move them to different workspaces etc...
[07:30] <aeon-ltd> grahamsavage: why not just assign the command to a key press combo
[07:30] <tannji> grahamsavage,   which is what i said above, "persistent" alt+tab
[07:30] <histo> alt+`
[07:30] <grahamsavage> aeon-ltd: yeah i'm seeing if i can do that... i'm not sure how i'd get the name of the current application
[07:31] <tannji> histo,   can you describe that super+w for me? havent heard of it
[07:32] <symlinks> Hey! I am looking for a way to symlink a folder in a map to a folder to another place.. I want them to be the same map.. the reason for this is that I have a chrooted SFTP acount and I'd like to be able to edit themes that I have in a folder outside chroot
[07:32] <tannji> histo,  is "super" the window start key?
[07:32] <grahamsavage> CompizConfig << is this something i have to install?
[07:33] <aeon-ltd> yeah
[07:33] <histo> grahamsavage: have you looked at the keybooard shortcuts settings... there are plenty of things disabled that sound like what you want?
[07:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> tannji: yes. super == windows key
[07:33] <histo> tannji: yes the windows key
[07:33] <tannji> histo...  so that does the same as ALT+ TAB then
[07:33] <histo> symlinks: map?
[07:34] <grahamsavage> histo: any in particular.. i'm looking through them now
[07:34] <histo> grahamsavage: the "window" section
[07:34] <symlinks> histo: lol.. folder ofcourse.. don't know why I used Swedish
[07:34] <symlinks> a file in a folder
[07:34] <symlinks> histo: ^
[07:35] <histo> symlinks: ln -s target linkname
[07:35] <grahamsavage> histo: hmm
[07:36] <histo> symlinks: here's a good read http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/19/how-to-create-symlink/
[07:36] <grahamsavage> histo: yeah i don't think there is a command
[07:36] <histo> grahamsavage: do you want to pull all windows to foreground?
[07:38] <histo> grahamsavage: this looks promising from what I understand you want to do ... https://ubuntuincident.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/find-window-by-its-name-and-activate-it-bring-to-foreground/
[07:39] <dill> seems its in a workspace
[07:39] <histo> dill: what is?
[07:39] <symlinks> histo: I did this.. "sudo ln -s /home/sftp/ /var/www/playsms/plugin/themes/" and the plan was that I could see the folders in /var/www/playsms/plugin/themes in /home/sftp but it doesn't work out as I want it to ;/
[07:39] <dill> some applications when i launch them seems they go to a workspace
[07:39] <dill> now i cant see files on my desktop but they are there via nautlisu
[07:40] <histo> symlinks: you did it backwards
[07:40] <histo> symlinks: sudo ln -s /var/www/playsms/plugin/themes /home/sftp
[07:41] <histo> symlinks: would create /home/sftp as a link to /var/www....
[07:41] <histo> symlinks: althogh backwards should work as well with ln
[07:41] <histo> symlinks: are you sure you don't want /home/sftp/somedir
[07:43] <symlinks> histo: well will only be used by sftp
[07:43] <histo> symlinks: by the sftp user?
[07:43] <symlinks> histo: yeah
[07:43] <histo> symlinks: doesn't /home/sftp already exist as a directory then?
[07:43] <symlinks> it does
[07:43] <histo> symlinks: then you want /home/sftp/somedirectory
[07:44] <symlinks> alright
[07:44] <histo> symlinks: sudo ln -s /var/www/playsms/plugin/themes /home/sftp/linkage
[07:44] <symlinks> histo: ;/
[07:44] <histo> symlinks: make sure sftp has perms to themes
[07:44] <symlinks> ahh
[07:44] <sb6059> hmmm
[07:45] <symlinks> histo: when I connect with ssh I can see the folders but I can't see them from teh SFTP client so you are right.. what permissions should I have?
[07:48] <histo> symlinks: read or write what ever you need
[07:48] <symlinks> histo: this doesn't look good lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   31 jul  3 09:41 themes -> /var/www/playsms/plugin/themes/
[07:48] <histo> symlinks: everyone has perms to themes
[07:48] <tannji> grahamsavage,   there is, or was a Tile plugin for Compiz that would open-all
[07:48] <histo> symlinks: ls -l /var/www/playsms/plugin/the*
[07:48] <histo> tannji: thought it was expose or scale
[07:49] <histo> tannji: similar to the behavior of super+w but you could close windows etc...
[07:49] <tannji> grahamsavage,   dunno...  the only thing I found that came close to what you want to duplicate was Tile
[07:49] <madrat> I'm trying to chmod/chown a file. When I try it says "operation not permitted". Root owns the file and I'm running chmod/chown as root
[07:49] <madrat> wtf
[07:49] <grahamsavage> tannji: ah lol yeah..
[07:49] <zahidnust> try sudo with root?
[07:49] <babinlonston> I have 1 Server which was installed With centos 6.2 and there was a Samba Share the Directory /public was shared in the centos Server, its IP address is 192.168.1.15 , And I Have accessed the Share in Ubuntu 12.04 client machines by connect to server just giving IP address and share folder name , But i want to Mount the Samba Share in all client machines Permanently by Adding entries in fstab , i want to mount in a folder name c
[07:50] <grahamsavage> tanjii: do i have to install compiz?
[07:50] <wilee-nilee> madrat, No swearing acronyms
[07:50] <tannji> Histo...  right, they all stayed active on the screen so you could do multiple closes without them receding
[07:50] <zahidnust> babinlonston: nfs is a better solution for that
[07:50] <piotrektt> hi. i want to set up HA iSCSI target on ubuntu. I found this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HighlyAvailableiSCSITarget . Do you think it will work with newer ubuntu like 12.04?
[07:50] <madrat> oh wait it's an attr
[07:50] <symlinks> histo: I can't see them.. I even tried doing "chmod -R 777" without seeing them
[07:50] <babinlonston> guide me
[07:51] <tannji> grahamsavage,  if Tile is still maintained, yes
[07:51] <zahidnust> babinlonston: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/networking/2016-mounting-nfs-shares-how-do-i-do.html
[07:51] <babinlonston> k
[07:51] <histo> symlinks: you can see what as what user?
[07:52] <symlinks> as user sftp I can't see anything except profile bash etc when I connect via sftp
[07:52] <symlinks> histo: if I ssh in as admin I can see that the symlink is there with ls -al
[07:53] <histo> babinlonston: add an fstab line \\ip.address.of.server\some_share     /mount/point  cifs auto 0   0
[07:53] <histo> symlinks: what are the permissions of the target?
[07:55] <symlinks> histo: lrwxrwxrwx 1  777 root   31 jul  3 09:41 themes -> /var/www/playsms/plugin/themes/
[07:55] <tannji> grahamsavage,   ya know....  Super+W keeps the windows open persistent for me as well, just did it.   opened a bunch of terms, closed a bunch, one by one
[07:55] <histo> symlinks: no what are the perms of /var/www/playsms/plugin/themes
[07:55] <histo> tannji: how'd you close them from the super+w screen?
[07:55] <symlinks> histo: looks like this: drwxrwxrwx 6      777 www-data 4096 feb 12 10:16 work2
[07:56] <tannji> histo,  the "x" was selectable  on each window
[07:56] <histo> symlinks: no that's for the work2 directory  what are the perms for the themes directory
[07:56] <DaleFernandes> Hey guys, I'm new to Ubuntu, as in I installed it yesterday, and would just like to know where I should start?
[07:56] <histo> tannji: not here
[07:56] <symlinks> histo: drwxrwxrwx  6      777 www-data 4096 jul  3 09:53 themes
[07:57] <tannji> histo,  interesting
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: if you got specifiq questions, you can ask them here
[07:57] <histo> tannji: everyone should have access to that directory
[07:57] <histo> symlinks: sorry ^^^^^
[07:57] <grahamsavage> tannji: hmm it's not selectable for me
[07:57] <grahamsavage> i'm on 12.04
[07:57] <vlt> DaleFernandes: Depends on what you want to do ;-)
[07:57] <histo> grahamsavage: it's a bug in 12.04
[07:57] <tannji> maybe its a function of Ubuntu Tweak?
[07:58] <symlinks> histo: sorry for what? ^^you helped me alot, thanks braw! l8rs
[07:58] <histo> tannji: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[07:58] <tannji> histo,  13.04
[07:58] <histo> symlinks: everyone should have access to that directory
[07:58] <DaleFernandes> I installed Aptana Studio 3 yesterday, It has a local testing server from what i read but I don't know how to use it, I'm developing with HTML and PHP5 and I installed it in my /opt/ folder
[07:58] <kalakj> hello everyone, i have installed WAMMU, GSM-USSD, PREPAID MANAGER and Modem Manager GUI, but i am not able to send USSD codes,i can check my balance only via USSD , i am using a mmx352g USB WIRELESS 3G MODEM, i also need to access contacts and sms in my SIM, how could i do that, how is this possible in ubuntu, i am using UBuntu 12.04 LTS , please help
[07:58] <histo> tannji: grahamsavage Yeah when I was searching for a solution I found people filing a bug foor 12.04 not being able to close windows from expose-scale view
[07:58] <DaleFernandes> the localhost only shows me their html page which says everything works'
[07:58] <tannji> grahamsavage,  do you have Ubuntu Tweak installed?
[07:58] <histo> symlinks: do you have some kind of jail setup?
[07:59] <grahamsavage> tannji: nah, what's that?
[07:59] <tannji> histo,  is that Super+W called expose-scale?
[07:59] <symlinks> histo: I didn't setup the system but I'll take a look thro sshd_config now because I can't even connect as admin user on sftp
[07:59] <wooo> Guys, I have encountered with an extereme problem. I have overwritten my /dev/sda somehow by command dd if=ts-image.dd of=/dev/sda...It just copied for 10 sec and I press ctrl+c. fdisk -l was showing Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table. THen I have done another stupidity.  followed these steps http://pastebin.com/xf9qRnvW . Please help
[07:59] <symlinks> and /home/sftp drwxr-xr-x  2 root         root         4096 jul  3 09:44 sftp
[08:00] <symlinks> histo: ^
[08:00] <tannji> grahamsavage,  its the only thing I can think of that might have modified my expose....  its in the software center
[08:00] <histo> symlinks: What are you trying to use to access the symlink?
[08:00] <symlinks> histo: filezilla @sftp
[08:00] <wooo> Please help.Did I lost everything ?
[08:01] <histo> symlinks: did you set up an sftp jail?
[08:01] <kanliot> woo what was on sda
[08:01] <symlinks> histo: I havent but I need to take a look
[08:01] <symlinks> I know what you are refering to
[08:01] <histo> symlinks: please pastebin your sshd_config
[08:02] <phix> wooo: maybe
[08:02] <wooo> kanliot: linux and windows OS.
[08:02] <kalakj> hello everyone, i have installed WAMMU, GSM-USSD, PREPAID MANAGER and Modem Manager GUI, but i am not able to send USSD codes,i can check my balance only via USSD , i am using a mmx352g USB WIRELESS 3G MODEM, i also need to access contacts and sms in my SIM, how could i do that, how is this possible in ubuntu, i am using UBuntu 12.04 LTS , please help
[08:02] <DaleFernandes> Does anyone know of any good local testing servers for PHP development, I tried LAMPP but it said i already had a daemon
[08:02] <wooo> phix: Any way to get backup ?
[08:02] <phix> wooo: just packup
[08:03] <phix> backup even
[08:03] <histo> symlinks: I would assume from what you are describing people are jailed into there home and can't access /var/www....
[08:03] <kanliot> wooo use photorec for the linux partition, and getdataback for the windows partition
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | DaleFernandes
[08:03] <symlinks> histo: :http://pastebin.com/7dMCz4V1
[08:04] <histo> symlinks: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/SFTP#Chrooted_SFTP_to_Shared_Directories
[08:04] <symlinks> histo: and you are right.. look at the bottom.. something is locked
[08:04] <histo> symlinks: yeah you have them locked in their home. Look at the link I posted
[08:04] <wooo> kanliot: Both my windows and linux partitons are gone. I am now running ubuntu using usb.
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> kanliot: great advice photorec mate, its the best recovery app ever
[08:04] <phix> wooo: Are you fit as a butcher's dog?
[08:04] <DaleFernandes> Thanks lotuspsychje and ubottu
[08:05] <histo> symlinks: also the openssh may be of more help than me.
[08:05] <histo> kanliot: lol yeah it will find whatever start and end of partitions it can find
[08:05] <symlinks> histo: I doubt it but I see that "   ChrootDirectory %h" is locking them in their home.. a long time ago I spent so much time to chroot directories and I could've done it that simple!
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: you can join ##php aswell for specific issues
[08:05] <symlinks> histo: thanks for helping me thin
[08:05] <symlinks> k
[08:06] <histo> symlinks: np you just need to give them access to that shared directory via those instructions: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/SFTP#Chrooted_SFTP_to_Shared_Directories
[08:06] <wooo> kanliot: the output when I am doing fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/V7rMkfRy
[08:06] <DaleFernandes> haha, #php is invite only lotuspsychje  but thanks :)
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: ##php, double ##
[08:07] <histo> wooo: your partitions are there what is the problem?
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | histo
[08:08] <histo> wooo: what type of files are you trying to recover?
[08:08] <DaleFernandes> ./join ##php does not work, am i using the correct command lotuspsychje ?
[08:08] <wooo> histo: actually I have done another foolish thing. After googling I followed these steps. http://pastebin.com/xf9qRnvW
[08:08] <qknight> hi. i have a crontab which states a line like this: '25 2  * * * root  test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )' it is a server running 24/7 and i have cron installed but not anacron. i'm not the first admin on this machine and i wonder if i could comment these 3 lines mentioning anacron since i probably don't need it. but i wonder why these lines are in the crontab anyway?! someone an idea?
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: i justed joined it, without issues
[08:08] <histo> wooo: Yeah I see that.  So here's the deal dd overwrote whatever data at the beginning of your partition. That data is gone.  So now what files do you need to recover? It's possible that the data in your /home wasn't overwritten.
[08:09] <madrat> grr
[08:09] <histo> wooo: Also was /home on it's own partition?
[08:09] <madrat> I can't change attributes on the files either
[08:09] <madrat> wtf is going on with this
[08:09] <histo> wooo: and how big was that dd image you wrote?
[08:09] <DaleFernandes> lotuspsychje, ./join ##php without the period infront?
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> !language | madrat
[08:10] <histo> madrat: on what files? who owns them?
[08:10] <wooo> histo: yeah its perfect if I get /home data. Also can I get data present on my windows partition ?
[08:10] <madrat> histo, root
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: yes should work indeed, how did you join freenode with what client?
[08:10] <histo> !sudo | madrat
[08:10] <wooo> histo: 2 GB. in 10 sec I just cancel it by pressing ctrl+c
[08:10] <madrat> histo, I'm root already
[08:10] <madrat> dur
[08:10] <tannji> DaleFernandes,  you can also join by going to server tab in menu
[08:10] <DaleFernandes> XChat join automatically
[08:10] <histo> wooo: Where was windows at?
[08:10] <T3X> how do i make my script executed every 40 seconds?
[08:11] <DaleFernandes> also doesnt work :s
[08:11] <wooo> histo: on sda only. I guess on sda1 or sda2.
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: ubuntu server or debian?
[08:11] <histo> madrat: ls -l on the file please
[08:11] <DaleFernandes> ubuntu
[08:11] <histo> wooo: probably sda1 so you overwrote the first 2gb of windows and your partition table.
[08:11] <Andrey_Bolotin> Есть кто то  из русских?)
[08:12] <histo> wooo: linux partitions can probably be recovered with testdisk and then you can reinstall grub to boot that and pull your files out.
[08:12] <IdleOne> !ru
[08:12] <histo> wooo: I would run testdisk and fix the linux partitions reinstall grub to the mbr and then use photorec to pull the files out of the windows partition
[08:13] <DaleFernandes> lotuspsychje, i managed to join a ##phpwolf channel from the server list
[08:13] <histo> wooo: or the unallocated space that is.
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> !alis | DaleFernandes
[08:13] <Andrey_Bolotin> только что установил линух,столько вопросов)
[08:13] <DaleFernandes> !alis
[08:13] <histo> Andrey_Bolotin: english only here /join #ubuntu-ru
[08:13] <DaleFernandes> lol
[08:13] <DaleFernandes> wait got that wrong :P
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: try to click this ##php and join the channel
[08:13] <wooo_> histo: sorry I disconnected . Windows was on sda only. sda1 or sda2 I guess.
[08:14] <histo> wooo_: yes windows should be sda1.. linux would be sda2 etc... so you should be able to recover linux partitions rather easily with testdisk. Then install grub to the mbr and boot linux. Then you can use photorec on the unallocated portion of sda to recover whatever windows files you need.
[08:14] <DaleFernandes> lotuspsychje,  I can't, even when i right click and select Join Channel it doesnt join :s
[08:15] <DaleFernandes> I must be doing something terribly wrong haha
[08:15] <histo> DaleFernandes: type /join ##php
[08:15] <histo> !register > DaleFernandes
[08:16] <wooo_> histo: How to recover linux partition using testdisk ?
[08:16] <tannji> histo,  is the join channel command supposed to have 2X "#"  ?
[08:16] <histo> wooo_: sudo apt-get install testdisk from the liveusb you are using
[08:16] <histo> wooo_: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[08:17] <histo> tannji: yes non official channels have ##
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | wooo_
[08:17] <tannji> ah, gotcha... thanks
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> wooo_: use sudo photorec from terminal after installing testdisk
[08:18] <histo> wooo_: actually testdisk may even recover your windows partiton but it won't be able to boot windows.
[08:19] <histo> lotuspsychje: no he needs to use testdisk to recover the partitions
[08:19] <histo> lotuspsychje: photorec is just a file carver
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> histo: backing up his data might be good idea if he cant get in anymore
[08:20] <histo> lotuspsychje: that's what i'm saying recover the partitions with testdisk and then pull the data off. He is going to have to reinstall grub and windows most likely unless he just blew out his pagefile and the first MFT
[08:20] <wooo_> histo: So after this am I able to recover whole linux partition or I just will get /home data ?
[08:20] <histo> wooo_: assuming linux wasn't in the first 2gb you should get the whole thing.
[08:21]  * lotuspsychje doesnt understand why so many people mess with dualboots
[08:21] <histo> wooo_: You ate through your master boot record and your first MFT and 2gb of windows pagefile.sys
[08:21] <liq> lotuspsychje: whats the alternative then? :p
[08:21] <zzecool> Is anyone having the friends-dispatcher crashing every time it starts ubuntu ?
[08:21] <histo> liq: just linux
[08:21] <DaleFernandes> Thank you lotuspsychje and histo  for your help :P I am in ##php \:D/
[08:21] <histo> liq: or virtual machine
[08:21] <wooo_> histo: didn't this - "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda"  ruin anything ?
[08:21] <histo> wooo_: not if you typed just that
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: also checkout software centre for php dev tools, many good stuff out there
[08:22] <histo> wooo_: you can't mkfs on sda you'd have to specify a partition
[08:22] <histo> wooo_: It may have ruined it for you but I do data recovery for my day job.
[08:23] <kalakj> hello everyone, i have installed WAMMU, GSM-USSD, PREPAID MANAGER and Modem Manager GUI, but i am not able to send USSD codes,i can check my balance only via USSD , i am using a mmx352g USB WIRELESS 3G MODEM, i also need to access contacts and sms in my SIM, how could i do that, how is this possible in ubuntu, i am using UBuntu 12.04 LTS , please help
[08:23] <wooo_> histo: I have followed this http://pastebin.com/xf9qRnvW ...mistakenly.:(
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> liq: yes single boot ubuntu would be a great idea
[08:23] <histo> wooo_: are you sure you didn't mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 ???
[08:23] <histo> wooo_: don't do that I'm just asking
[08:23] <blazemore> wooo_: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda - this breaks your installation :P
[08:24] <starkiller> hello
[08:24] <histo> blazemore: no the dd broke his installation the mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda  should error as it's not "sda1"
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: wb
[08:24] <wooo_> histo: no I just typed /dev/sda
[08:24] <DaleFernandes> thanks lotuspsychje
[08:24] <starkiller> lol
[08:24] <histo> wooo_: then it shoulnd't have written a filesystem there
[08:24] <starkiller> thanks
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> DaleFernandes: np mate, come back in chat any time you got a question
[08:24] <histo> wooo_: but you did create one big partition with fdisk for the whole drive. Hopefully testdisk  can find the other partitions previously in there since they started and ended within the one you created
[08:25] <starkiller> i have a problem again XD
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: shoot
[08:25] <histo> wooo_: Do you have another drive that you can backup to?
[08:25] <wooo_> histo: No
[08:25] <histo> wooo_: did you have any of your data backed up anywhere?
[08:26] <T3X> how do i make my script executed every 40 seconds?
[08:26] <starkiller> i installed xubuntu over my win 7. i havent touched my win 7 in 6 monts :P, now that i want to boot on it, it doesnt boot:P
[08:26] <histo> T3X: write it into your script
[08:26] <histo> T3X: what does this script do that you need to execute it ever 40 seconds?
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: define 'over'?
[08:26] <ActionParsnip> starkiller: what happens when you try to boot it ?
[08:26] <wooo_> histo: I just saved my imp data on dropbox. I have external hard disk. If you are talking about that ?
[08:27] <starkiller> it just lags on a black screen and nothing happends:P
[08:27] <histo> wooo_: I'm just asking because this is going to take time and if you have backups it's not worth the waste of time recovering.
[08:27] <blazemore> histo++
[08:28] <blazemore> My philosophy is to always be in a situation where it wouldn't matter too much if your installation dies; you can just install fresh and copy your data back across
[08:28] <starkiller> i fixed my boot loader before, with some boot fix from sofware center:P and it work great, for a while but then
[08:28] <histo> wooo_: If that's not the case then attempting recovery is your only solution unless you want to pay someone like me big bucks to do it.
[08:29] <histo> starkiller: were you previously able to dual boot?
[08:29] <wooo_> histo: :)
[08:29] <starkiller> yea only once or twice thought:P
[08:29] <histo> wooo_: depends how much your data is worth basically vs. your time to recover.
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: did you try update-grub?
[08:30] <histo> wooo_: From everything you've said i'm pretty confident testdisk will be able to find your partitions and restore them; however, a little more tweaking will be needed to make your system boot.
[08:30] <starkiller> no uh:P i dont wanna do anything that its not approve from an expert:P
[08:30] <starkiller> im scared my xubuntu wont boot:P
[08:31] <histo> wooo_: It's a very very small percentage chance that windows will boot again but you should be able to get your files out of that partition.
[08:31] <wooo_> histo: I hope testdisk will restore it.
[08:31] <MOUD> which is better, an Ubuntu LiveUSB or a full install in a USB?
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: sudo update-grub from terminal wont break your xubuntu, but might help in dualboots sometimes
[08:31] <histo> wooo_: If the data is worth a lot of money and you are thinking of paying someone for recovery then don't do anything. If that is not the case then give testdisk a shot.
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> !best | MOUD
[08:32] <wooo_> histo: No most of my imp data is on cloud.
[08:32] <histo> MOUD: they are one in the same. You can boot live mode with persistence so you can install applicaitons etc.. just like you could with afull install. Having a full install will give you more finer grain control though.
[08:32] <histo> wooo_: imp?
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> histo: isnt there a gui package that can workout boot flags and such to make it easy for him?
[08:32] <wooo_> histo: important.
[08:33] <starkiller> wow im gonna try it right now thanks:P
[08:33] <starkiller> i just want to uninstal stuff from windows so my ubuntu can take over:P
[08:33] <histo> lotuspsychje: no he blew out his mbr. So he just needs to restore that with grub. and he blew out the first part of his NTFS filesystem. There should be a backup stored at the end of the disk so he'd have to repair that as well. And he lost the first 2gb of files on his ntfs system.
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> histo: can he repair grub with a livecd perhaps?
[08:34] <histo> lotuspsychje: yes after he finds the partitions with testdisk with the step-by-step instructions I gave him.
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: why dont you clean install ubuntu single, and start over new
[08:34] <histo> lotuspsychje: then linux will boot after repairing grub. and I'd work on repairing the ntfs file system on sda1 to atleast pull files from c:\users\*
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: we will help you replace good package alternatives for ubuntu after :p
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> histo: ok ic
[08:35] <MOUD> histo: thanks for the info.
[08:36] <starkiller> i like ubuntu but i find xface xubuntu faster:P? is it just me:P? i have a dual core 2 gigs ram
[08:36] <histo> MOUD: np if you do go with the full install I would disable journaling on ext4 and mount in fstab with noatime
[08:36] <T3X> histo: i have a script testing the internet speeed and it finish after 40 second
[08:36] <histo> starkiller: xubuntu is faster yes as it's lighter on resources
[08:36] <histo> T3X: and you want to constantly run it?
[08:36] <liq> and no problem with tray...
[08:37] <histo> starkiller: there are even lighter systems available
[08:37] <MOUD> histo: How do I do that? Is there any tutorial?
[08:37] <histo> MOUD: let me see if I can find you linkage for tune2fs
[08:37] <starkiller> the thing is that xubuntu its the clossest thing to ubuntu i found:P
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: there is lubuntu-desktop aswell
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> starkiller: you can test it out from your xubuntu system aswell, if you install lubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <liq> lotuspsychje: wont it install all the apps from lubuntu?
[08:39] <liq> lotuspsychje: and create a mess? :P
[08:39] <ActionParsnip> starkiller: i'd boot to windows cd and chkdsk the partition
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> liq: it will have seperate apps when you login to proper desktop
[08:40] <starkiller> wow thanks guys you are all so helpful
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> !info lubuntu-desktop | liq
[08:41] <tears_> Hey you guys? What's the best way to update my system. One that is both through and safe. I believe dist-upgrade caused me terrible problems with kwin.
[08:41] <starkiller> ill brb i have to reboot thanks:P
[08:41] <histo> MOUD: basically you just tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/sdX#   and esfsck -f /dev/sdX#        replace sdX# with your partions and edit your /etc/fstab to add the noatime mount option
[08:41] <blazemore> tears_: Using the update manager
[08:42] <histo> MOUD: I would also crankdown the swapiness and move stuff like browser cache to tmpfs
[08:42] <histo> MOUD: if you find instructions for an SSD drive on there pretty much same thing to reduce writes. That's all you are trying to accomplish on USB as well.
[08:43] <tears_> blazemore mine comes with Muon update manager which feels awful. I had problems when I switched off my laptop in the middle of an upgrade and I stopped using it. It broke KDE
[08:43] <histo> tears_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade you can also use the unattended-upgrades package to get the security updates
[08:43] <MOUD> histo: I agree. I'm googling about the writes
[08:44] <tears_> histo but upgrade isn't very through it doesn't remove existing packages before upgrading
[08:45] <histo> tears_: what distro are you running?
[08:45] <blazemore> tears_: "I switched  off my laptop in the middle of an upgrade
[08:45] <MOUD> also, how can I disable the "Try/Install Ubuntu" option when using a liveUSB? I want to go directly to the desktop
[08:45] <junk> is there a way I can convert the : in filenames to .
[08:45] <junk> Like a script or something
[08:45] <junk> I'm not good with bash
[08:45] <tears_> histo something between upgrade and dist-upgrade
[08:45] <histo> MOUD: if you do a full install yes.
[08:45] <histo> MOUD: or modify the live usb
[08:45] <tears_> histo kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[08:45] <histo> tears_: what do you mean it doesn't remove?
[08:46] <tears_> blazemore  I know dumb but I expected it to handle it.
[08:46] <MOUD> histo: I'll give a try modifying the live usb first. thank you very much for the help and info :)
[08:47] <histo> tears_: you can use aptitude's safe-upgrade
[08:47] <blazemore> tears_: You can fix stuff like that with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a; sudo apt-get -f install"
[08:48] <histo> wooo_: any luck with testdisk?
[08:48] <histo> wooo_: following this: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> tears_: unless the install is 64bit, aptitude isn't great with multiarch
[08:48] <wooo_> histo: I though I lost everything. I just got what I done earlier http://pastebin.com/aPnvFDm3 .:(
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> a guy had broke install on doing an upgrade lately, didnt upgrade commands change?
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> wooo_: thats why we backp
[08:49] <wooo_> histo: I am not getting anything from testdisk. still any hope ?
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: same commands dude, consistancy is key
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> wooo_: try foremost
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> wooo_: you will need a partition of at least equal size to spit the located file to. You will lose folder structure and filenames but the files may be retrieved
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> wooo_: if the area the data was sat on has been modified since, the file is gone
[08:51] <Chadman> Finally!
[08:51] <histo> wooo_: why DID YOU mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1?????
[08:51] <Chadman> The savior of all men, arrived!
[08:51] <bazhang> !ot | Chadman
[08:51] <Chadman> histo & ActionParsnip; I waited for you both to come online so much last night.
[08:51] <blazemore> d'aww
[08:51] <Chadman> other guys here failed to help me out.
[08:51] <Chadman> god.
[08:52] <wooo_> histo: yes. :( . I just have seen commands that I put earlier.http://pastebin.com/aPnvFDm3
[08:52] <zoie> when i "sudo apt-get upgrade" i get 21 packages "not updated", why do they have these state? and how do i change it?
[08:53] <Chadman> my question is.
[08:53] <Chadman> How do I make a virtual webcam for linux that will point to images/GIFs?
[08:53] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | zoie
[08:53] <Chadman> histo & ActionParsnip & bazhang; How do I make a virtual webcam for linux that will point to images/GIFs?
[08:53] <bazhang> Chadman, how does that relate to ubuntu
[08:53] <zoie> bazhang: no i don't want dist-upgrade, i'm already on 13.04
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> zoie: disable any PPAs you have and then run it
[08:53] <Chadman> I was thinking a virtual webcam. I start a video chat, and tell skype to use my "webcam" that doesn't exist. The virtual webcam will get it's data from whatever picture (maybe a movie file?) I point it to. So I point it to "lol.jpg" and my friends Skype receives it as being my webcam.
[08:53] <bazhang> zoie, read the actual output
[08:53] <Chadman> bazhang, can you help me out though.
[08:53] <bazhang> zoie, dist-upgrade does NOT change versions
[08:54] <histo> wooo_: well you are stuck to file carving now for your files mostlikely
[08:54] <zoie> bazhang: why are you talking about dist-upgrade?
[08:54] <zoie> ActionParsnip: thanks i'll try
[08:54] <Chadman> anybody who can help me on this?
[08:54] <histo> wooo_: you created a new partition and wrote a new filesystem to it for whatever reason. So .....
[08:54] <bazhang> zoie, it brings in those packages. it does not change from 13.04
[08:54] <Chadman> anybody?
[08:54] <histo> Chadman: what like manycam?
[08:54] <Chadman> yes, histo.
[08:55] <wooo_> histo: So ? everything is lost ? or still any hope ?
[08:55] <histo> Chadman: use webcamstudio
[08:55] <zoie> sorry i don't understand what you mean
[08:55] <Chadman> histo, (example): in manycam, manycam creates a virtual-webcam that we can use to display images/movies on it (like a video source or something)
[08:55] <histo> wooo_: You may be able to recover some things with file carvers such as photorec, foremost, or scalpel
[08:55] <Chadman> I did, histo. It didn't work out.
[08:55] <histo> wooo_: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step
[08:55] <Chadman> any other way?
[08:55] <Chadman> like v4l2loopback?
[08:56] <histo> wooo_: You already have photorec since you installed testdisk
[08:56] <Chadman> histo, are you aware of v4l2loopback?
[08:56] <histo> Chadman: what's wrong with webcamstudio?
[08:57] <wooo_> histo: So should I stop testdisk ? Its running . Analyzing cylinders 10375/60800 17%.
[08:57] <Chadman> histo, I want to show an image on it, but it doesn't work.
[08:58] <Chadman> histo, like I selected a image, and pressed play, and when the virtual-webcam doesn't appear in webcam-selecting options of livestream-sites.
[08:58] <histo> wooo_: well let testdisk finish and see if it finds paritions but I doubt it.
[08:58] <Chadman> histo, it also says "no output"
[08:58] <wooo_> histo: okay.
[08:58] <Chadman> so webcamstudio is pretty useless.
[08:58] <Chadman> histo, any other way? like mplayer, v4l2loopback, vloopback?
[08:59] <Chadman> ?
[08:59] <Chadman> I have both, v4l2loopback, gstreamer...etc everything installed.
[09:00] <Chadman> A guy was helping me out last night, but he vanished. he just said "cd into the directory where you have the gif"
[09:00] <Chadman> and vanished.
[09:00] <Chadman> I want to display a gif on my virtual webcam.
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Chadman
[09:00] <histo> Chadman: I'm not sure if there is another way to do it... Here is a howto video I found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoXtcaWwsP0
[09:00] <Chadman> histo, we can use v4l2loopback to solve this.
[09:00] <Chadman> but I don't know how can I use it.
[09:01] <Chadman> v4l2loopback is the perfect solution for this, but how can I use it?
[09:01] <histo> Chadman: I'm not familiar with it.
[09:01] <Chadman> :/
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> Chadman: does it have a man page?
[09:04] <histo> Chadman: seems everyone is using webcamstudio from what i'm seeing on google
[09:04] <histo> Chadman: http://askubuntu.com/questions/139239/fake-a-webcam-using-a-video-loopback-device
[09:05] <Chadman> I am googling some stuff.
[09:05] <Chadman> wait.
[09:05] <Chadman> and no, actionparsnip.
[09:06] <marawan2> why wine doesn't work for me with any program, it says program error
[09:06] <Chadman> root@bt:~# gst-launch souphttpsrc location=/root/me50.jpg ! jpegdec ! ffmpegcolorspace ! modprobe v4l2loopback device=/dev/video0
[09:06] <histo> marawan2: you'd probably have to check the appdb for instructions on whatever program you are trying to use
[09:06] <histo> !appdb | marawan2
[09:07] <marawan2>  histo: i have tried multiple programs and it says the same program error
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: it depends entirely on the app, some work, some don't
[09:09] <histo> marawan2: did you check the appdb?
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: hence why the appdb exists and should be consulted
[09:09] <marawan2> histo: i am checking it now
[09:10] <OerHeks> Chadman, i guess you should not run that tool as root, in your backtrack
[09:10] <marawan2> histo, ActionParsnip: ok further more guys i followed this video on youtube about how to get counter strike for free and it sayed i need wine
[09:11] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: yes, its a windows application
[09:11] <Chadman> OerHeks: then?
[09:11] <Chadman> OerHeks: should I add my user to some group?
[09:11] <histo> marawan2: you can play counterstrike in steam and steam has a linux client now
[09:11] <marawan2> ActionParsnip, histo: i tryed but it didn't work (though it did on the vid) so i try wine on other programs and it doesn't work too showing program error
[09:11] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: histo has a great point :)
[09:12] <marawan2> histo: free?
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: just install steam (native) and run the game from there
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: counterstrike isnt free in any way
[09:12] <histo> Chadman: try in ##linux or in backtrack's support channel
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: used to be
[09:13] <marawan2> ActionParsnip: but what if i want wine to operate other programs
[09:16] <histo> marawan2: then you check wine's appdb to see if it's supported and ask for help in the wine channel
[09:17] <marawan2> histo: it says suported
[09:17] <marawan2> histo: it is not about the programs it is about wine itself
[09:18] <bazhang> marawan2, #winehq for that
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: then check the appdb
[09:18] <bazhang> !appdb > marawan2
[09:19] <r_lex> hello
[09:20] <r_lex> is it possible to mount drives (external) as rw by default?
[09:20] <Chadman> No such element or plugin 'v4l2loopback'
[09:21] <jatt> absolutely
[09:21] <Chadman> I installed v4l2loopback, but when I do "gst-inspect v4l2loopback", it gives me this: No such element or plugin 'v4l2loopback'
[09:21] <Chadman>   
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: yuo mount the partition, not the drive
[09:22] <r_lex> that's not case afaik
[09:22] <r_lex> still i have only one partition on that drive
[09:23] <k1l> r_lex: the nautilus should mount your drive with gvfs ootb
[09:23] <r_lex> the problem is even if i do remount,rw /blahblahblah
[09:23] <r_lex> it still (!) remounts it as ro after some time
[09:23] <k1l> r_lex: see in dmesg if its a error remount.
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: yes, its still the partition you mount even if its 100% of the space
[09:24] <k1l> maybe the drive is broken and the kernel wants it to be ro to not loose data
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: what file system does it use?
[09:24] <r_lex> ActionParsnip, fat32
[09:24] <r_lex> vfat
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: when you last unplugged it, did you use the safe removal feature in your OS?
[09:25] <k1l> r_lex: if its rw and then switches to ro its the error_remount_ro
[09:25] <r_lex> error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain
[09:25] <r_lex> seems to need fsck
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: did you safe remove the device before physically unplugging it?
[09:26] <r_lex> yes
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: good, then I suggest you fsck the unounted partition (or do it in windows)
[09:26] <r_lex> already doing that...
[09:27] <r_lex> btw seems to be offtopic but can anyone suggest _fast_ usb flash drive?
[09:27] <r_lex> 64GB+
[09:27] <Chadman> histo & ActionParsnip; I installed webcamstudio but, In the bottom right of webcamstudio's window the "No output!" message is shown. Is not possible to select the virtual webcam in Flash sites.
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: some usb3 thing will be fine
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> r_lex: or a high class numbered sd card
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> Chadman: I dont use webcams or know anything of them. They are creepy
[09:33] <Mongoose> Hi, I'm a very new Ubuntu user and would like to know how best to get involved.  I've been reading the guidance in the Wiki but finding it confusing.
[09:35] <DJones> !contribute | Mongoose This is a good starting point, other ways are to answer questions on ubuntuforums/IRC/askubuntu etc,
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> onkelSuSE:
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> Mongoose: get used to the OS first, you can help here as a good start :)
[09:35] <Mongoose> Thank you! :-)
[09:36] <DJones> Mongoose: Boyond that, you can report bugs and help test fixes as you get more involved and experienced
[09:36] <Mongoose> I'm getting used to it very quickly, and I think it's awesome.  I had Windows for years and I'll never go back to that.
[09:39] <karlmh> what is the name of that package, its a text based service / port scanner ?
[09:40] <karlmh> i need to get this info so i can setup my firewall
[09:40] <somsip> !info nmap | karlmh
[09:40] <karlmh> somsip: thanks, thats it.. had a brain fart
[09:43] <babinlonston> while mounting password asking for each and every time after restart its not mounting , sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.15/public /home/sysadmin/public , command used and fstab entry is here //192.168.1.15/public /home/sysadmin/public     cifs username=anoymous,password=sysadmin123$       0 0
[09:43] <marawan2> does wine work on lubuntu gnome?
[09:44] <Kuroshita> should be fine marawan2
[09:44] <DJones> marawan2: Wine works on all flavours of Ubuntu
[09:44] <marawan2> is not fine and doesn't run anything
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: if the apps you are trying to run are known to not work, you are fighting a losing battle
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: the desktop you use is irrelevant
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> babinlonston: in /etc/rc.local   above the 'exit 0' line, add:    mount -a
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> babinlonston: fstab is processed before the network comes up, so will fail
[09:48] <babinlonston> just only i want to add mount -a
[09:48] <leonardo_> #indiewebcamp
[09:48] <jony_easyrider> how can I change the label of my stick in ubuntu 12.04?
[09:49] <DJones> jony_easyrider: USB Stick? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive
[09:50] <SDIS> can anyone tell me  how to install steam client in ubuntu 12.04?
[09:53] <soure> Hi
[09:53] <soure> i'hav problem
[09:54] <soure> sometimes i have this problem http://imgur.com/boYKZWO ...
[09:54] <leonardo_> #indiewebcamp
[09:55] <soure> during bootimng
[09:56] <babinlonston> just only i want to add mount -a
[09:58] <DaleFernandes> can anyone here by any chance help me configure my php local server, ##php isn't quite helping
[09:58] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: is it an Ubuntu server?
[09:58] <DaleFernandes> yes
[09:58] <DaleFernandes> no
[09:58] <DaleFernandes> well
[09:58] <DaleFernandes> local
[09:58] <FloodBot1> DaleFernandes: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:58] <DaleFernandes> on ubuntu
[09:59] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: you're running Ubuntu and you want to get PHP working, correct?
[09:59] <DaleFernandes> yes i want to test my files locally before uploading them
[09:59] <SDIS> hi all  :) can anyone tell me  how to install windows xp from ubuntu 12.04 via usb.
[09:59] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: then ask away
[09:59] <DJones> SDIS: ##windows for Windows questions
[10:00] <DaleFernandes> Well, gordonjcp , i just cant get it working, ive tried everything that i could find online but my php scripts dont run, i just dont know what to do
[10:00] <DaleFernandes> gordonjcp, do you have a php script testing environment?
[10:00] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: nope, I don't use PHP
[10:00] <DaleFernandes> gordonjcp, do you know how to set it up by any chance? :P
[10:01] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: start at the beginning - what exactly have you done so far?
[10:01] <Shahbaz> Hello
[10:02] <DaleFernandes> gordonjcp, 1st: I installed aptana studio 3, then i did the apt-get lamp-server i think it was, which does apache, mysql and php, but when i try run my php scripts on localhost, nothing shows up
[10:02] <tking> hello guys, i have a folder with php files which requires me to install the web app. But when i put the folder in var/www/folder i cant access it from my browser 'localhost/app' Forbidden no permission, the folder is from windows
[10:02] <shahbaz> Hello
[10:03] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: okay, when you say "nothing shows up" what *exactly* happens?
[10:03] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: can you get your local webserver to serve static files?
[10:03] <DaleFernandes> The webpage is blank, i can insert html code which will work, but when i try <?php echo "w/e"?> not even that works
[10:05] <DaleFernandes> gordonjcp, yes, notmal html code works fine
[10:06] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: okay, so the webserver is healthy.  Next place to look is /var/log/httpd/errors.log
[10:06] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: that path may not be literally correct
[10:09] <DaleFernandes> gordonjcp, its just InnoDB stuff
[10:09] <DaleFernandes> no "errors"
[10:10] <junctions> Hello people. I'm trying to fiddle with the router at a computer far far away. I normally do everything there through SSH, however this seems that it requires a browser. w3m doesn't work with the router. Firefox is unusably slow (when using ssh  -X). What is the most lightweight GUI www-browser in the ubuntu repository to your experience?
[10:11] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: innodb sounds wrong
[10:11] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: can you pastebin the error log?
[10:11] <DaleFernandes> :s
[10:11] <DaleFernandes> i could yes
[10:11] <gordonjcp> junctions: what I do is enable the remote management interface on the router
[10:12] <blazemore> junctions: dillo is super lightweight but very feature-light
[10:12] <gordonjcp> junctions: you could try something like midori, but it's more down to how much data you are throwing over the connection
[10:12] <gordonjcp> junctions: what's the spec of the machine you're running the browser on?
[10:12] <junctions> gordonjcp: yeah, but to do that I first need to use the webinterface
[10:13] <junctions> ubuntu 12.04 on a GSM router halfway around the world
[10:13] <junctions> blazemore, gordonjcp: thanks for those suggestions, I'll try them right away
[10:14] <DaleFernandes> http://pastebin.com/RWjbZKKf
[10:15] <gordonjcp> DaleFernandes: that does not look like an apache log file
[10:15] <DaleFernandes> thats the only error.log file i have with any contents :P
[10:15] <DaleFernandes> :s*
[10:15] <somsip> DaleFernandes: thats mysql log
[10:15] <DaleFernandes> the others are empty
[10:16] <somsip> DaleFernandes: anything in /var/log/apache2/errors.log?
[10:17] <DaleFernandes> somsip, just a missing fav icon error
[10:17] <DaleFernandes> thats all
[10:17] <junctions> blazemore, thanks, dillo works like a charm!
[10:18] <histo> junctions: uzbl is a really lightweight browser
[10:18] <histo> junctions: you could also forward your web traffic through the machine and then then use your local browser
[10:18] <histo> s/forward/tunnel/
[10:20] <junctions> histo: hmm that sounds like a good idea. I've read about that somewhere but can't say I know how to do it or where to learn. Maybe later. (I think I once read something along the lines of "we don't need no stinking vpn software", on advanced ssh tunneling)
[10:20] <histo> junctions: yes
[10:21] <junctions> thanks, I'll keep that in mind, specially for circumventing country locks on certain services ;)
[10:21] <zhak> Hello, can someone help me please. I have a new ultrabook and to get wifi working i need a custom kernel. But "make deb-pkg" fails because dpkg-dev package is missing. How can i get this package installed wihtout network?
[10:22] <histo> junctions: you may want to look into sshuttle makes it really easy to forward everything including dns
[10:23] <junctions> histo: thanks :)
[10:25] <histo> zhak: which wireless chipset does your card have?
[10:25] <zhak> histo: an intel wireless-n 7260
[10:26] <histo> zhak: what does lspci | grep -i network say?
[10:27] <zhak> histo: Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)
[10:28] <zhak> histo: i followed this guide https://spicious.com/sony-vaio-pro-11-with-ubuntu.html
[10:28] <zhak> histo: but i cant get the kernel compiled since dpkg-dev package is missing
[10:29] <histo> !info dpkg-dev | zhak
[10:29] <DJones> zhak: Which version of Ubuntu are you using, according to http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2141981.html the driver should already be included in the kernel for Ubuntu
[10:29] <histo> zhak: install it then
[10:30] <zhak> histo: well i got no network so how do i install it
[10:31] <histo> zhak: use a wire or
[10:31] <histo> !offline | zhak
[10:32] <zhak> DJones: i use the daily build for saucy salamander since 13.04 does not boot
[10:32] <azar> I have created x509 certificate with openssl , after that when I want to add the key with this command: "keyctl padd asymmetric "" @s <.//ssl.crt/server.crt" it returns: "add_key: Bad message". Can anyone help me?
[10:35] <socketguru> hey all
[10:35] <zhak> ubottu: is it posssible to download packages for saucy salamander since it is not released yet
[10:36] <MonkeyDust> zhak  ask in #ubuntu+1
[10:36] <DJones> zhak: You're probably better asking in #ubuntu+1 for support with 13.10, thats the support channel for development versions
[10:36] <socketguru> I have a 2D barcode scanner, which doesn't get recognized as a device. I saw /dev/ list. I want to know if there is any work around this?
[10:36] <zhak> DJones: ok thanks
[10:37] <MonkeyDust> zhak  i have 13.10 in a chroot and can download and install packages, ok
[10:37] <zhak> MonkeyDust: could you upload the dpkg-dev package?
[10:38] <MonkeyDust> zhak  havent tried, now continue in #ubuntu+1, please
[10:41] <T3X> how do i make my script executed every 40 seconds?
[10:42] <kanliot> T3X, while loop in bash
[10:42] <Forage> good morning
[10:42] <sindri> Morning
[10:42] <Forage> anyone care for a quick firefox test on ubuntu?
[10:42] <socketguru> T3X: run a cron job
[10:43] <Forage> I found a weird issue I'd like to confirm
[10:43] <T3X> socketguru: crontab allow min 1 min interval
[10:43] <T3X> no less than one minute
[10:43] <somsip> T3X: you can't with cron alone. You would need to call bash scripts that start processes after sleep() times
[10:44] <socketguru> T3X: sorry, missed that.. then a shell script with 40s delay will help
[10:45] <kanliot> forage go
[10:45] <Forage> for some reason the twitter website does not function properly in Firefox on Ubuntu. Other browsers on ubuntu or firefox on Windows is no problem. It has to do with uppercase characters in the user name.
[10:46] <Forage> if you go to e.g. https://twitter.com/TheOldReader it will show up fine.
[10:46] <somsip> Forage: sounds like an issue for the firefox people. Maybe you should file a bug report with them
[10:46] <Forage> somsip: I'd like to confirm it first
[10:47] <Forage> but now click on the first user on that page with uppercase characters in its name like @ToddGregory
[10:47] <Forage> it will show a pop-up
[10:47] <Forage> Now click on the "Go to full profile" at the bottom of the pop-up
[10:48] <Forage> In my case the loading indication at the top center will keep going
[10:48] <MonkeyDust> Forage  better ask in #firefox
[10:48] <thoint> /join ##penis
[10:48] <yeats> Forage: that's not happening for me
[10:49] <Forage> yeats: it will show you his full profile instantly?
[10:49] <yeats> Forage: yep
[10:49] <Forage> rats
[10:49] <Phase4> "ImportError: No module named _gi" howfix?
[10:49] <yeats> I've not seen that problem on ff/ubuntu (which is all i use) and I use twitter a lot
[10:50] <Phase4> apport-gtk is in an infinite loop trying to report it's own error
[10:50] <Forage> yeats: ok, ty. I'll go disabling add-ons one by one then
[10:51] <MonkeyDust> !details | Phase4
[10:51] <Phase4> MonkeyDust, apport-gtk shows up saying "problem detected", it then goes away when i click any of the buttons and shows up again, running apport-cli i get that error message
[10:52] <blazemore> Phase4: Try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall python-gobjects"
[10:52] <Phase4> this machine did recently restart mid-upgrade, i'm cleaing up the fallout from that, basically i what to know what package _gi is in
[10:52] <Phase4> blazemore, did that already
[10:53] <blazemore> Phase4: To clean up the fallut from a borked upgrade, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a; sudo apt-get -f install"
[10:53] <blazemore> Phase4: You could always "sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop"
[10:53] <sindri> any idea how I can copy large text chunks CLI using screen over SSH?
[10:54] <sindri> * So I can paste it into pastebin etc I mean.
[10:54] <DJones> Forage: I can also confirm that worked fine for me on 13.04 in vbox, no issues at all
[10:54] <Phase4> blazemore, running dpkg-reconfigure -a now
[10:55] <Phase4> oh wow, it is reconfiguring everything, this might take a while
[10:55] <jrib> sindri: use copy mode or just use pastebinit
[10:55] <jrib> Phase4: you should have done dpkg --configure -a
[10:55] <Forage> DJones: ty for testing. I'm now trying to see if it's one of my add-ons causing the issue
[10:55] <blazemore> Ohhhhhhh
[10:55] <blazemore> I actually did a booboo
[10:56] <blazemore> Phase4: what jrib said
[10:56] <Phase4> blazemore, i was wondering :P
[10:56] <blazemore> ehh I've told people to do worse...
[10:56] <blazemore> I suppose it's time for my lunch; I guess I could eat this egg-on-my-face
[10:56] <Phase4> mmmm, egg
[10:57] <sindri> jrib: I am in copy mode (ctrl a + esc) But how can I start to mark text to right click and copy on the terminal I'm ssh'ing via?
[10:57] <Phase4> damn, it still thinks it's 12.10 but half the packages are from 13.04
[10:58] <MonkeyDust> Phase4  type sudo apt-get update | pastebinit and paste the url in the channel
[10:58] <jrib> sindri: you don't use your mouse, you mark the beginning (with space iirc), move to the end of your selection (hit space again), and then use copy mode to paste
[10:59] <jrib> sindri: erm, use "ctrl-a ]" to paste
[10:59] <Phase4> MonkeyDust, pastebinit is not installed
[10:59] <yeats> sindri: you can also use script to capture output to a file in real time
[10:59] <Phase4> MonkeyDust, it is pulling from the raring repositorys
[11:00] <Phase4> to be more precice, when i say it still thinks it's 12.10 i meen the top right->about this computer thing says it's 12.10
[11:01] <Phase4> bah, i'ma run dist-upgrade and prey
[11:01] <Phase4> pray'
[11:01] <Phase4> one of those two
[11:02] <Forage> yeats, DJones: found the trouble maker, it's the HTML Validator add-on for firefox
[11:02] <sindri> jrib: It copied it alright, but locally on the server and not on the machine I'm ssh'ing from. Still can't get it to pastie etc
[11:02] <DJones> Forage: Glad you sorted it
[11:02] <sindri> yeats: Still want it to get into pastebin so someone could review configs
[11:02] <jrib> sindri: use pastebinit (or copy it on the machine your ssh'ing from)
[11:02] <wooo> histo:testdisk process completed. Now fdisk- l is giving following output.   http://pastebin.com/3Cjfvr8W
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> !rootirc | Guest52431
[11:05] <sindri> jrib: Is it worth getting pastebinit? How do I copy it from the machine I'm ssh'ing? right-click has the option to copy "grayed out"
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> sindri: pastebinit is always useful, plus its tiny
[11:07] <Phase4> ix ftw
[11:08] <histo> wooo: try mounting sda5 although it doens't look good
[11:09] <sindri> ActionParsnip: Ok, I guess I'll get it then. jrib : thanks for help - just bums me out I can't do it intuitively using the mouse.
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> wooo: i suggest you look into a backup solution when all this blows over, lots easier
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> sindri: why, its a terminal? Just pipe the text to the command, very intuitive
[11:10]  * MonkeyDust was thinking the smae thing :)
[11:10] <wooo> histo: yeah its E drive of my windows. I got all data from that drives.:) But I didn't get my linux data .
[11:10] <wooo> ActionParsnip: what's backup solution ?
[11:11] <histo> wooo: welll see what's on sda1
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> wooo: where you take a copy of your data and put it on a diffeent storage, so if the data gets damaged, you can easily recover without messing around with testdisk and other forensic tools
[11:12] <wooo> histo: how to check that ? any command ?
[11:12] <histo> wooo: mount it and take a look
[11:12] <histo> wooo: If you really need files from your linux distro I would use photorec to carve. Or see if autopsy can help show you some files
[11:12] <Kartagis> anybody has an idea why I would be getting "Couldn't upload file, check your internet connection" when I drag and drop an image to "Drop to share" on cairo-dock?
[11:13] <wooo> histo: umount /dev/sda1 .right ?
[11:13] <Kartagis> s/I/one/g
[11:13] <histo> wooo: mkdir /tmp/test && sudo mount /dev/sda /tmp/test
[11:13] <histo> wooo: then see what's in /tmp/test
[11:14] <wooo> histo: error "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[11:14] <histo> wooo: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step
[11:15] <histo> wooo: to get your files out. But you'll need somehwere to save all of them.
[11:15] <histo> wooo: you also lost all your filenames etc..
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: are there bugs reported?
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: does your user have read access to the file you are dragging?
[11:17] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: I wouldn't know with what keywords to check, and yes
[11:21] <hendrelouw73> OneTwoThree
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: what is this share thingy you have?
[11:26] <tthtlc> account list
[11:26] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: it comes with cairo dock
[11:26] <lllsondowlll> !help
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: http://www.glx-dock.org/bg_topic.php?t=5023
[11:26] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: #cairo-dock is inactive I'm afraid
[11:26] <lllsondowlll> !
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: tried changing the pastebin url?
[11:27] <lllsondowlll> !join #ubuntuhelp
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: http://glx-dock.org/bg_topic.php?t=5081
[11:27] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: yes, and that post is talking about icons, not my issue
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: are you having issue with text?
[11:28] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: allow me to demonstrate
[11:28] <Kartagis> just a sec
[11:29] <sindri> Anyone who could review my vsftpd config and help me figure out why the service isn't listening/running correctly. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840017/
[11:29] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11918318/Screenshot%20from%202013-07-03%2014%3A28%3A50.png
[11:29] <Kartagis> sindri: does netstat -antlp | grep 21 list it?
[11:30] <Mark_> sindri: When you do a /etc/init.d/vsftpd start does it barf?
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: I suggest you report a bug
[11:32] <Nikty> Hi! Installed ubuntu (command-line install) and followed the instructions to map default soundcard, but I have no sound. unmuting in alsamixer doesn't help. any ideas?
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[11:33] <gordonjcp> Nikty: are you using the correct device?
[11:34] <gordonjcp> Nikty: how many sound devices have you got?
[11:34] <Nikty> gordonjcp: in debian this device worked, idk why here it doesn't.
[11:34] <lllsondowlll> Hello, I am having trouble with the new kernel 3.9.0 amd64. After installing I no longer have wired internet connection. Any ideas?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: run the command, what is the output please?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> lllsondowlll: 3.9 kernel is not supported here
[11:35] <Nikty> ActionParsnip: I'm parsing the command :))
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> lllsondowlll: try in #linux
[11:36] <Nikty> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=bc25726b71974faa163a3912daa1f9b602630b7c
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:36] <gordonjcp> Nikty: I didn't ask what it used to work in
[11:36] <lllsondowlll> ActionParsnip: That is unfortunate since the current kernel will not stop intermitting my audio with the official ATI drivers.
[11:37] <nevyn> intermitting?
[11:37] <nevyn> seriously ?
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> lllsondowlll: we only support the kernels from the official repos here
[11:38] <Nikty> gordonjcp: yes I'm using the correct one
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: are you using the onboad sound or the hdmi audio?
[11:38] <Nikty> onboard
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: and if you press F6 in alsamixer the right device is set?
[11:39] <Nikty> ActionParsnip: yup
[11:39] <Atlantic777> Is there a way to list just manually installed packages? I mean, just packages which are installed after clean install. If there's gentoo guys out there, I'm lookin for the "world" file.
[11:39] <lllsondowlll> ActionParsnip: then perhaps you can assist me with the current kernel, the reason I am updating is because the open source ATI drivers are shotty at best and do not see the HDMI audio out. The only way to get this recognised is through the proprietary drivers but I suppose you are going to tell that isn't supported either correct?
[11:39] <tttb> why does Ubuntu randomly ask me to enter a keyring
[11:39] <tttb> it always makes me suspicious
[11:40] <tttb> and I never do it
[11:40] <tttb> yet haven't faced any problems yet
[11:40] <gordonjcp> Nikty: if you specify the sound card to use when you play an audio file, can you hear it?
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: are they also unmuted?
[11:40] <tttb> yet yet
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> lllsondowlll: the proprietary ati drivers are supported here as they are from the repos
[11:41] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: if they were installed from the repo
[11:41] <kenny18> hello, im having trouble with PHP: Require_once(): Unable To Allocate Memory For Pool,  dont need to edit the global settings but just specific sites. opend the .htaccess file in /var/www/... and dont konw what settings to change?
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: tried the speakers in the different holes? Are they powered on and cranked up ?
[11:42] <Nikty> only one hole here, it's a netbook
[11:43] <Nikty> gordonjcp: how do I do this via mplayer?
[11:44] <nevyn> Nikty: alsamixer
[11:44] <lllsondowlll> I'll be back to test again if the HDMI shows up under the repo non catalyst version of the driver but I strickly remember this not being the case. In the event that it does not show the HDMI audio out either, the ATI driver from AMD does but is intermitting but not supported here, and the newest kernel (which was recommended as a fix) isn't either. Does that mean I am pretty much SOL?
[11:44] <rypervenche> tttb: If you entered a password the first time it asked you it will do it everytime. I never do.
[11:44] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: the ati drivers from amd are supported if installed via the repo
[11:45] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: installing them from the ati website with the .sh installer is not supported here
[11:45] <Nikty> [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1293:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open '/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p' failed (-16): Device or resource busy
[11:45] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, the hdmi out gets it's audio from a link thru youir graphics driver , not a different audio driver
[11:45] <Phase4> MonkeyDust, jrib: it looks like it was using python 3.2 instead of 3.3, i don't know why, everything got better after removing 3.2 via apt-get autoremove
[11:46] <nevyn> BluesKaj: the problem is a graphics card is a sound card and it has to register the hdmi port as a sound card in alsa
[11:46] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: thank you I am aware of this
[11:47] <nevyn> (so it shows up in /proc/asound/cards)
[11:47] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, hdmi still depends on whatever audio driver is used with onboard soundcard
[11:47] <nevyn> BluesKaj: no.
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: do you have pulseaudio installed?
[11:47] <Nikty> ActionParsnip: nope
[11:47] <nevyn> BluesKaj: it does not you're incorrect.
[11:47] <lllsondowlll> -_-
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: may be worth a shot. I have a sound card that will only work if pulse is insaled
[11:48] <lllsondowlll> BlueKaj: The sound card which is onboard and the audio driver for the GPU are two seperate entities entirely.
[11:48] <BluesKaj> opk nevyn , how is it setup then ?
[11:48] <nevyn> BluesKaj: it relies on the kernel part of the video card driver (because writing an X bit and a mesa bit wasn't enough bits) to implement a alsa registration and setup for another soundcard
[11:49] <nevyn> BluesKaj: so writing video drivers is among the most complex bits of stuff spanning the most subsystems of linux these days
[11:49] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, yes but the hdmi audio links to the onboard audio
[11:49] <nevyn> because you need to write the weyland/X11 bit  the mesa bit and the kernel bit
[11:50] <nevyn> and the kernel bit has to know about the kernel video mode switching stuff and the alsa stuff
[11:50] <nevyn> as well as the usual bus registration enumeration
[11:50] <nevyn> also the specific bits like gem interfaces etc.
[11:50] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: Imagine you have onboard audio, now imagine you have a sound card. They are two different hardware drivers thus requiring you to have two different software drivers because onboard the GPU acts as an add on card.
[11:50] <Nikty> ActionParsnip: well, maybe I'll try pulse, but I'd really like to not use it.
[11:51] <nevyn> BluesKaj: cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:51] <BluesKaj> I use 2 different audio systems on my pc and I can assure that the hdmi out takes the audio from the on board audio driver
[11:51] <nevyn> (if you have hdmi output there will be 2)
[11:51] <sindri> Kartagis: No it's not listen in "netstat -antlp | grep 21"
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: it can be removed if you gain nothing from it
[11:51] <BluesKaj> nevyn, yes Card 0 and card 1
[11:51] <lllsondowlll> BlueKaj: I don't want to want to offend you but I have been both a computer tech and audio eng. for about 4 years now. If external sound cards ran through on board hardware drivers than audio work would have high latency
[11:52] <Nikty> ActionParsnip: but what if Debian testing has sound without pulse?
[11:52] <nevyn> BluesKaj: in the specific case of intel graphics this may be true. (it's implemented as an additional codec to the INTEL HDA specification) but it's another card as far as the kernel and alsa are concerned
[11:52] <sindri> Mark_: don't know what you mean by barf. Just putting that command return "Usage: /etc/init.d/vsftpd COMMAND"
[11:53] <Mark_> sindri: Yeah, when you use /etc/init.d/vsftpd start
[11:53] <Mark_> What do you get?
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: depends on the kernel, alsa and pulse versions
[11:53] <Nikty> oh
[11:53] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, no offense taken , but I don't experiencew any latency on either audio setup
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: too many variables to be truely useful but it shows it can be used in Linux
[11:53] <Kartagis> sindri: sudo service vsftpd start
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: just so you know, the release you are using is only supported til January 2014
[11:54] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: I was referring to external cards, M-Audio for example. a GPU works as an external card.
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: if you are wanting to run a server I recommend 12.04 which is LTS and supported til April 2017
[11:54] <BluesKaj> I use an M-audio card ,it
[11:54] <BluesKaj> s not external
[11:54] <sindri> Mark_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840108/ is what I get running that.
[11:55] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: M-audio studio.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> audiophoile 192 aamof .
[11:55] <Mark_> sindri: service vsftpd start
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> Mark_: wish sudo, of course
[11:56] <Nikty> ActionParsnip: :-) thanks, I don't mind 13.4.
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> Nikty: just so yo uare aware :)
[11:56] <sindri> Kartagis & Mark_ : "vsftpd start/pre-start, process 24720" But still nothing listening on port 21
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> sindri: use nmap to scan locahost
[11:56] <Mark_> sindri: ps -ef | grep vsftpd
[11:57] <Mark_> See the process running?
[11:57] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: Audio processing is not done by onboard audio card.  Example here is that ATI has an onboard realtek hardware engine. My motherboard is intel. These 2 do not communicate. Thus I cannot use my HDMI audio port without a proper driver for that specific hardware ID
[11:57] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, this M-audio card is a pci , it does the spdif duties to my HT , and hdmi (via DVI) is available if needed
[11:58] <sindri> Mark_: "andreas  24756 24148  0 13:56 pts/2    00:00:00 grep --color=auto vsftpd" is returned, so I'm guessing that means Grep is running? not vsftpd.
[11:58] <Mark_> sindri: The process isn't starting for some reason, look into the vsftpd logs
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> sindri: yes, if you pipe to:   grep -v grep     then you will not see grep running in the output
[12:00] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: without the ATI driver that comes with realtek I am unable to use it. It is not listed as an audio device. After installing the latest ATI driver I do recieve it as recognised. I am not recieving this with the drivers provided from repo
[12:00] <sindri> ActionParsnip: Thanks will remember that, also I'll have to get nmap to return to you with results.
[12:01] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: I am assuming the intermitting issues have to do with pulse in the cpu, it is at regular intervals.
[12:01] <Mark_> sindri: ActionParsnip: Why are you guys running nmap when the service isn't even showing up in ps -ef?
[12:01] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, I guess intel and ati don't work together very well, whereas my intel onboard and nvidia graphics work well together ., so I guess it;'s apples and oranges
[12:01] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: what hardware?
[12:02] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: More or less so with similar chipset.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll,pavucontrol might solve your input outputsettings , and give a more solid setting
[12:02] <sindri> Mark_: Good point... installed nmap for future use though. But any idea why the service won't start? Does it require a system reboot?
[12:02] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: ATI 7950 OC 3GB
[12:03] <Mark_> sindri: no, look into the vsftpd log
[12:04] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: what kernel?
[12:04] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: This will def be a work around if all else fails thank you for the information
[12:05] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: what's the lspci line relating to it?
[12:05] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Right now shadowlag@Gigabyte-Linux:~$ uname -r 3.8.0-25-generic
[12:05] <nevyn> that's fine..
[12:06] <sindri> Mark_: hm.. weird there is no vsftpd log in /var/log/
[12:07] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: http://pastebin.com/DPyWCr46
[12:09] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Right now it should be noted I am not using any ATI driver at the moment, I can come back after I re-enable it but it is the same situation and the overscan is terrible.
[12:10] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: you never answered how you installed it?
[12:10] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: referring to the repo ATI driver of course
[12:11] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Repo driver works, but without ccc control which causes underscanning and I also tried it from the website. which works but the audio intermits quite a bit
[12:13] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Does this answer your question?
[12:13] <nevyn> hangon so you've done all the things?
[12:14] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: "hangon so you've done all the things?" if by that you mean re-installed ubuntu with repo driver, AMD driver, and attempted with a new kernel before starting back at square once than yes I've done "all the things"
[12:15] <nevyn> ah
[12:15] <nevyn> I thought you'd tried to make that all work in one install and I'm like that's going to be a mess...
[12:15] <nevyn> ;)
[12:15] <nevyn> so if the repo drivers work.. what's the problem?
[12:16] <nevyn> so underscanning can be fixed with ccc or xrandr right?
[12:16] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Repo drive = No HDMI audio | CCC driver = Intermitting audio | Proposed new kernel fixes this (3.9.0) = No internet connection
[12:17] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: If that gives you a better idea of where I'm at
[12:17] <nevyn> ok.
[12:17] <nevyn> ok.
[12:17] <nevyn> there are MULTIPLE drivers for this card in the repo
[12:18] <nevyn> well in the non-free repos too.
[12:18] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: You don't say?
[12:18] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I have only been using 1.
[12:18] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I would be happy to try other.
[12:18] <nevyn> there is an official way to install the fglrx driver for ubuntu.
[12:18] <nevyn> it is not to download it from the website.
[12:19] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I have done it through the driver management tool.
[12:19] <nevyn> ok.
[12:19] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: initially. Both containing fglrx-updates and fglrx
[12:20] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: fglrx-updates works as fglrx but with an amd water mark complaining it is not the correct hardware.
[12:20] <nevyn> so what driver are you using right now?
[12:20] <nevyn> fglrx or radeon?
[12:21] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Gallium atm since I am on a fresh install
[12:21] <nevyn> ok
[12:22] <nevyn> and the problem with this... is... underscan?
[12:22] <pilsa> hi folks ... can you recommend any single-player pattern recognition games on ubuntu, similar to mahjongg ...?
[12:22] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Again no HDMI audio output
[12:22] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Under the fglrx driver official
[12:22] <nevyn> it doesn't show up in /proc/asound/cards ?
[12:22] <nevyn> huh?
[12:23] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Let me explain better.
[12:23] <nevyn> ok if you're using radeon right now (which is the driver that uses the gallium3d infrastructure...
[12:23] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, try this for the hdmi poblem , there was bug with alsa -hdmi , which you may have encountered  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily
[12:24] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I have tried the following. Gallium, flgrx, flgrx-updates from the software&updates driver section. No HDMI audio is shown. I have tried AMD CCC from the website, functions fine however intermitting audio ensues.
[12:25] <nevyn> no audio on any driver?
[12:26] <nevyn> Gallium is not an Xorg driver... it's infrastructure for a 3d driver.
[12:28] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I am using x.org currently..
[12:29] <nevyn> so the xorg part of the free driver is "radeon"
[12:32] <lllsondowlll> configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[12:32] <nevyn> right
[12:32] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: So yes radeon
[12:32] <nevyn> so you don't get a audio endpoint using the radeon driver AT ALL?
[12:32] <nevyn> cat /proc/asound/cards doesn't list it?
[12:33] <nevyn> yeah it's not implemented...
[12:33] <lllsondowlll> HDA ATI HDMI at 0xf7e60000 irq 48
[12:33] <nevyn> hrm
[12:34] <lllsondowlll> Its there but not shown in unity audio settings.
[12:34] <nevyn> if you do alsamixer -c "HDA ATI HDMI"
[12:34] <nevyn> does anything show up?
[12:34] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: are there any video output issues with the free driver?
[12:35] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: alsamixer -c "HDA ATI HDMI"
[12:35] <nevyn> mmm...
[12:35] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: The one I am currently on no, but when switching to fglrx for graphics acceleration I recieve underscan which I am used to accross OS's not limited to windows without ccc
[12:36] <lllsondowlll> invalid card index: HDA ATI HDMI
[12:37] <nevyn> what's the EXACT output of cat /proc/asound/cards?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, what's the output of dkms status , in pastebin
[12:37] <mrtAkdeniz> Hi guys
[12:38] <mrtAkdeniz> Is there any alternative program for Adobe Dreamweaver on Ubuntu? I want WYSIWYG and Code editor in same program
[12:38] <lllsondowlll> http://pastebin.com/5x46NSFK
[12:39] <occ> wysiwyg is rubbish
[12:39] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: alsamixer -c HDMI
[12:40] <MonkeyDust> mrtAkdeniz  there isnt, dreamweaver is the oly program i miss in linux, too
[12:40] <mrtAkdeniz> Oh no :\
[12:40] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: ?
[12:40] <Sunny_> hello all
[12:40] <syntax_error> good morning
[12:40] <mrtAkdeniz> MonkeyDust, Have you ever used DW on Wine?
[12:41] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I know have a graphic UI
[12:41] <MonkeyDust> mrtAkdeniz  I have but not for long
[12:41] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Text based I should say
[12:41] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: now.
[12:41] <mrtAkdeniz> Is there any issue? MonkeyDust
[12:41] <Sunny_> i want to install ubuntu alongside windows, plz tell me the which version to install and how to install.
[12:41] <mrtAkdeniz> Sorry, Was*
[12:41] <nevyn> ah neato. it should only have one box in the middle of it?
[12:41] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: ? Yes at this moment I have a text based UI
[12:41] <MonkeyDust> mrtAkdeniz  no, but better try it yourself to find out
[12:41] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll , dkms status , gives which media drivers are presently installed
[12:41] <mrtAkdeniz> Sunny_, Last version of Ubuntu is 13.04 , but there are a lot of version of ubuntu
[12:42] <dazzle> Is Ubuntu ZFS viable?
[12:42] <mrtAkdeniz> Could you please give your computers information to me?
[12:42] <mrtAkdeniz> MonkeyDust, Ok, thanks bro :)
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> !dualboot | Sunny_
[12:42] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, let me rephrase , being used and loaded
[12:42] <nevyn> dazzle: the sun community licence and gplv2 are fundamentally incompatible.
[12:43] <nevyn> so while you can build zfs for linux and use it. you can't distribut the combined bineary.
[12:43] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: One moment dpkg is using something
[12:44] <dazzle> nevyn: I meant performance/reliability -wise
[12:45] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: Output is not returned
[12:45] <nevyn> dazzle: because of the licencing issues it's impossible to take seriously imho
[12:45] <dazzle> nevyn: Okay. That's sad to hear :/ I compiled a RAID 5 array, let it settle for a week, then tried it. The write performance is horrible.
[12:45] <nevyn> becuase it requires it be built by the end user it can't be integrated into distributions etc etc...
[12:46] <nevyn> dazzle: which version are you using?
[12:46] <dazzle> 12.04 server
[12:46] <nevyn> the fuse stuff performance is aweful.
[12:46] <dazzle> created simple array with mdadm, have 3 x 2 TB
[12:46] <nevyn> there's a native port by some crazy people which performs ok but.. yeah..
[12:46] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Alsomixer showed my radeon card however it seemed to have been labeled incorrectly under R6xxx
[12:46] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, recommend you install dkms
[12:46] <Sunny_> ubuntu 12.04
[12:46] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: no that's what it is.
[12:47] <nevyn> BluesKaj: why?
[12:47] <lllsondowlll> Bluekaj: What I mean by no output is that it installed.
[12:47] <lllsondowlll> Bluekaj: It is not outputting information back
[12:47] <lllsondowlll> Bluekaj: ie "dkms status" = drop down for command input
[12:48] <BluesKaj> DKMS is a framework designed to allow individual kernel modules to be upgraded without changing the whole kernel.
[12:48] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: You wanted me to attempt to run dkms status
[12:48] <lllsondowlll> Blueskahj: correct?
[12:48] <nevyn> I know but how does that help with the problem?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> ll yes i assumed you had dkms installed , nm
[12:49] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: it's actually a south islands gpu (Tahiti)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll,^
[12:50] <BluesKaj> you obviously don't seem to need my help , so I'll back off , lllsondowlll
[12:51] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: I installed dkms, dkms status was ran, dkms status returned no output at all
[12:51] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: is it muted in alsamixer (mm)
[12:52] <klrr> what's the login program called?
[12:52] <klrr> login manager*
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> klrr  lightdm
[12:52] <auronandace> klrr: the default is lightdm
[12:52] <klrr> how do i add window manager options?
[12:52] <klrr> thanks!
[12:52] <klrr> how do i add window manager options?
[12:53] <MonkeyDust> klrr  install a DE, it adds automatically in the list
[12:53] <klrr> how do i add a window manager to the options?
[12:53] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: spdif/1-3 00 spdif/4-5 mm
[12:54] <klrr> how do i add a window manager to the options?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, that means you have no kernel drivers installed
[12:54] <klrr> MonkeyDust: that doesnt answer my question
[12:54] <blazemore> klrr: Yes it does
[12:54] <klrr> blazemore: no it doesnt
[12:54] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: Is there something specific I should do next?
[12:54] <blazemore> klrr: Install a desktop environment or window manager, then choose it from the list
[12:54] <auronandace> klrr: are you installing from the repos?
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> klrr  then maybe you should rephrase or elaborate
[12:55] <klrr> blazemore: i asked how i added a window manager to the options, he told me i should install a whole dekstop environemnt
[12:55] <blazemore> klrr: What window manager are you trying to install?
[12:55] <klrr> MonkeyDust: i have a window manager installed, in /usr/local/* and now i wanna add it to lightdm menu
[12:55] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: can you try speaker-test -c 2 -d HDMI
[12:55] <klrr> blazemore: home-made
[12:55] <klrr> i usually launch it through .xinitrc
[12:55] <blazemore> klrr: You coded your own window manager but aren't confident enough to boot into it?
[12:55] <klrr> but now im on ubuntu
[12:55] <MonkeyDust> klrr  window managers don't appear in the menu, desktop environments do
[12:56] <heikoo> is there any program that can monitor the clipboard for links and safe them to a file? (only the link, not the content of the link)
[12:56] <afoeder> hi there
[12:56] <klrr> blazemore: confident? wot
[12:56] <blazemore> klrr: Look in /usr/share/xsessions/
[12:56] <klrr> HOW DO I ADD IT TO THE MENU; WHAT FILE SHOOULD I EDIT OR ADD TO MAKE IT APPEAR THERE?
[12:56] <klrr> thanks
[12:56] <afoeder> I have some (PHP related) errors on my web hoster's environment which I'd like to examine further
[12:56] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: You sure we are looking at the same thing? I believe what you are asking me to do is speaker test onboard HDMI not the ATI one
[12:56] <blazemore> klrr: Look at one of the .desktop files in there and copy one, then modify it to your needs
[12:56] <klrr> blazemore: THAT answers my question
[12:57] <klrr> i didnt ask how to install a FUCKING DE MonkeyDust !
[12:57] <blazemore> klrr: I didn't know that, I just Googled it. Is Google down where you are? :o
[12:57] <adamk> And stop acting like a brat.
[12:57] <nevyn> there's an onboard ATI HDMI?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, your audio driver should be an intel-hda , so run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , there won't be any output if it's loaded
[12:57] <klrr> blazemore: google led me to ubuntu wiki, and it doesnt explain it
[12:58] <blazemore> klrr: http://askubuntu.com/questions/150487/what-happens-under-the-covers-to-log-me-in-and-start-up-the-unity-graphics-user
[12:58] <afoeder> the hoster gave me a .vca which I already converted to a vhd and added it to my own's VirtualBox' Ubuntu as second HD
[12:58] <lllsondowlll> BluesKaj: No output
[12:58] <afoeder> now I have it mounted to /media/hostersHd and want to / have to chroot into it
[12:58] <afoeder> what... should I do? ^^
[12:59] <auronandace> lllsondowlll: lsmod will show you what modules are already loaded
[12:59] <klrr> i hope ubuntu become sane again, now it got XML everywhere and is using fucking dbus xD
[12:59] <auronandace> !language | klrr
[13:00] <jackarg_> hello, I am installing debian right now on an old windows 2000 thinkpad. I would like to partition it in a way that I can have both OSs, and not lose any data from the windows partition. Could anyone help?
[13:00] <TheUsD> Nobody is home on the truecrypt channel, thought I would post here:
[13:00] <TheUsD> Just went through the truecrypt wizzard and created a volume within a partition/drive, made it a standard truecrypt volume, chose my raid1 volume, formated it. My question is, now that it is formated as an encrypted drive, does that mean anytime I drop a file on the drive it will be encrypted?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> lllsondowlll, add this line to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, options snd-hda-intel index=0 , save the file and reboot ...it should sodify the Card=0 (defaultaudio driver)
[13:01] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: did you run speaker test?
[13:01] <MonkeyDust> jackarg_  ask in #debian
[13:01] <klrr> ubottu: professional? i dont see any professional in using insanely bad libraries which could easily be changed to using good old sockets and pipes instead, what the heck is wrong with json and company, why do they have to use XML for config files?
[13:01] <lllsondowlll> Just so I am clear, we are still on the subject of tackling why in my ubuntu 13.04 using the radeon driver that the ATI HDMI audio device isn't showing up or not acting loaded correct?
[13:01] <klrr> ubottu: professional? i dont see any professional in using insanely bad libraries which could easily be changed to using good old sockets and pipes instead, what the heck is wrong with json and company, why do they have to use XML for config files?
[13:01] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Yes no audio output
[13:01] <jackarg_> MonkeyDust, it's the same thing as ubuntu, all I need is someone who can help me partition step by step
[13:02] <foo357> Hello. I'm having some issues with cron... specifically when jobs are triggered.
[13:02] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: speaker-test -c2 -d hw:2,3 after unmuting the output in alsamixer
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> jackarg_  type   /join #debian      to get debian support
[13:02] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: How do I unmute it?
[13:03] <adamk> lllsondowlll: At one point, you needed to pass radeon.audio=1 to the kernel when booting to enable HDMI audio with the radeon driver.  Not sure it's still necessary, but have you tried that?
[13:03] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: m
[13:03] <jacks_cool> helo
[13:03] <jacks_cool> hello*
[13:03] <dazzle> Locking a specific user to his home directory: chroot method OR restricted SSH OR both?
[13:04] <jacks_cool> I am facing somw difficulties during boot up in ubuntu 12.10
[13:04] <jacks_cool> some*
[13:04] <jacks_cool> The problem is I am constantly getting a black screen after the boot up screen
[13:05] <auronandace> !nomodeset | jacks_cool
[13:05] <blazemore> auronandace: Beat me to it
[13:05] <jacks_cool> I randomly pressed some key and it showed that grub was not able to load due to full hard disk space.
[13:05] <blazemore> jacks_cool: I think you have possibly answered your own question there
[13:06] <jacks_cool> But how can I empty my disk space?
[13:06] <jacks_cool> Without starting it.
[13:06] <compdoc> Live cd
[13:06] <blazemore> jacks_cool: You can boot from a Live CD or USB
[13:06] <jacks_cool> I am not able to view any files in windows
[13:06] <gregor3005> hi, does anybody know how i can install a newer version of freecad as the release which i found with apt ?
[13:06] <adamk> I really wish people would stop suggesting nomodeset...
[13:06] <compdoc> adamk, yeah, its usually not helpful
[13:07] <jacks_cool> Can you please briefly explain me how will live CD help me?
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> gregor3005  if you want soemthing beyond the repos, you need a !ppa, but that's not supported here
[13:07] <adamk> Dropping people into X with the vesa driver is not a solution.
[13:07] <gregor3005> MonkeyDust: ok, thx. then i install it from the sources
[13:07] <blazemore> jacks_cool: The LiveCD will allow you to browse the files on your Ubuntu system, including deleting them or moving them to another drive
[13:07] <jacks_cool> I mean what sort of options do I need to look for.
[13:07] <jacks_cool> ah thanks blazemore. I will try iy.
[13:07] <vladovescu> Hello,everyone! I think I have a problem with Anki: it refuses to download shared decks. Does anybody know why?
[13:07] <blazemore> jacks_cool: It might be helpful if you told us the *exact* error Grub is giving you
[13:07] <blazemore> jacks_cool: In case that is a red herring
[13:07] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Again what was the command to bring up alsamixer, I would scroll up in my term but it isn't repeating the command. I would also search in IRC but the webbased version I am using knocks me back down when someone posts before I can glance at it
[13:08] <blazemore> lllsondowlll: it's just "alsamixer"
[13:08] <jacks_cool> blazemore I will get back with exact message soon
[13:08] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: alsamixer -c HDMI
[13:08] <adamk> jacks_cool: When booting off the new Ubuntu installation, can you edit the kernel line in grub and pass 'video=640x480' to the kernel?
[13:08] <jacks_cool> adamk: I have been using ubuntu for a quite some time
[13:09] <jacks_cool> and this is the first time I am facing such issue.
[13:09] <jacks_cool> Does full hard disk stops grub from loading?
[13:09] <blazemore> jacks_cool: Did anything happen in between "it working" and "it not working"?
[13:09] <jacks_cool> blazemore: When I boot ubuntu
[13:09] <jacks_cool> I get a pink screen
[13:09] <blazemore> jacks_cool: like a kernel update or you messing around with graphics drivers or something?
[13:09] <jacks_cool> which is soon followed by black screen
[13:09] <adamk> jacks_cool: I can not make sense of "Does full hard disk stops grub from loading?"
[13:09] <jacks_cool> blazemore: nothing sort of that.
[13:10] <blazemore> jacks_cool: Can you boot previous kernels by selecting one from the Grub menu?
[13:10] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Running speaker test now.
[13:10] <blazemore> brb
[13:10] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: nothing?
[13:10] <jacks_cool> I tried several options in recovery mode.
[13:10] <jacks_cool> But none of them works
[13:10] <auronandace> jacks_cool: usually when the harddisk is full it prevents you from logging in, it shouldn't prevent you from booting as far as i have known
[13:10] <adamk> jacks_cool: Have you tried passing video=640x480 to the kernel?
[13:10] <jacks_cool> adamk: Idk abt that.
[13:11] <jacks_cool> What I get is simple black screen with no info at all
[13:11] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Nothing, also in alsamixer it is showing 00's across the board
[13:11] <jacks_cool> I press some buttons randomly.
[13:11] <nevyn> try
[13:11] <jacks_cool> and is shows some message...
[13:11] <jacks_cool> then again it is black.
[13:12] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: is there any output at all?
[13:12] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Not in audio no
[13:12] <jacks_cool> bootup->pink screen-> black screen
[13:12] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: what's this connected to btw? just a stereo pair or a ht 7.1 or what?
[13:13] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Stereo with passthrough to 5.1
[13:13] <nevyn> via spdif? or hdmi out?
[13:13] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: HDMI out
[13:14] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: if youd aplay -L
[13:14] <nevyn> and look for the entries labeled CARD=HDMI
[13:14] <nevyn> actually.. could you pastebin that for me?
[13:14] <Pici> nevyn, lllsondowlll: I'm not sure this helps, but I had trouble getting my Radeon 3000HD series card to output over HDMI, but was able to get it to work once I installed the proprietary drivers.
[13:14] <nevyn> mmm..
[13:14] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Yes there is a ton
[13:15] <Pici> I'm using fglrx-legacy now, as the regular fglrx package doesn't support it anymore (its from a PPA)
[13:15] <thunder1212> i have a pendrive and i am trying to format it but am not able to i have tried with gparted also.. it gives error no partition table found
[13:15] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: ok try this...
[13:15] <lllsondowlll> Pici: Yes I did that, and it worked but the sound was intermitting quite a bit. I then got the message from the rest of the IRC that they will not help with the proprietary unless installed from the repo
[13:16] <nevyn> speaker-test -t wav -Dplughw:2
[13:16] <thunder1212> and when i try to create parition table it gives error unable to create partition table
[13:16] <lllsondowlll> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels WAV file(s) Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[13:16] <jacks_cool> What do I need to do?
[13:16] <thunder1212> any way by which it can be formated
[13:17] <nevyn> speaker-test -t wav -Dplughw:2,3
[13:17] <jacks_cool> I have tried almost each and every bit
[13:17] <thunder1212> any testing i can do?
[13:17] <jacks_cool> I have some imporant data in it.
[13:17] <thunder1212> should i try installing os on it?
[13:17] <adamk> jacks_cool: So you can't actually see the grub boot screen? Only the BIOS posting?
[13:17] <thunder1212> help??
[13:17] <Novarg> hi boys and girls, is there any way to revert the skype tray behavior to 'normal', i.e. have left click activate the main window?
[13:17] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  for one: backup important data
[13:18] <thunder1212> monkey
[13:18] <jacks_cool> adamk: If I press shift key then only I get to see my grub screen having 2 options.
[13:18] <thunder1212> hi
[13:18] <lllsondowlll> You know guys its cool I do appreciate the help
[13:18] <jacks_cool> One is ubuntu and other one is advanced options
[13:18] <adamk> jacks_cool: OK, so go into the grub menu, edit the kernel boot line and pass the option I have now mentioned to you twice.
[13:18] <lllsondowlll> I will just go about trying to get this new kernel to work and see what I can do with official drivers from ATI.
[13:19] <jacks_cool> the video one
[13:19] <jacks_cool> ?
[13:19] <lllsondowlll> This is just too much of a mess
[13:19] <adamk> Yes, video=640x480
[13:19] <Guest31359> I'm using xubuntu, but nobody in the channel is responding to this maybe I can get help here?
[13:19] <jacks_cool> how should I pass that?
[13:19] <jacks_cool> will there be a option for video over there?
[13:19] <thunder1212> i am using ubuntu 12.04
[13:19] <adamk> jacks_cool: Edit the kernel line and add video=640x480 at the end.
[13:19] <crusaderad> Guest31359 what's your issue?
[13:19] <columb> How do I set ubuntu default OS in grub menu?
[13:19] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: so.. the issue is.
[13:20] <jacks_cool> ok will try and get back.
[13:20] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: that most likely one of the subdevices of HDMI is what you want you should just check all 4
[13:20] <nevyn> or however many there are.
[13:20] <thunder1212> raspberry pi
[13:20] <Guest31359> I'm trying to boot toram, the f6 option is not available, and I tried toram both before and after the --
[13:21] <columb> Which one is windows and which one is ubuntu? http://pastebin.com/u8bXh29t
[13:21] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: The problem is that ubuntu doesn't even work with it with these drivers and I def must have CCC as well as a few other things. The newest kernel will help me correct the intermitting issues with audio as I heard from a fellow 7950 user. I just need it to not break my internet
[13:22] <lllsondowlll> I'll be taking my leave but thank you for the help
[13:22] <lllsondowlll> #linux
[13:22] <lllsondowlll> oops
[13:22] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: umm...
[13:22] <lllsondowlll> Yeah?
[13:23] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: could you just quickly explain what you mean by "Doesn't even work with these drivers"
[13:23] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: The HDMI audio out is not listed as an active device under sound settings
[13:24] <blazemore> Today I learned that "dir" is aliased to "ls" - is this an Ubuntu thing?
[13:24] <adamk> lllsondowlll: Did you try my suggestion of passing radeon.audio=1 to the kernel?
[13:24] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Driver compiled with Ubuntu/raring does
[13:24] <wilee-nilee> columb, There is an app called grub customizer for a gui type, or you can edit /etc/default/grub what you posted just lists part of grub2.
[13:24] <execut3> How can I have a service (sshd) listen on all internal IP addresses (192.168.1.X)?
[13:24] <lllsondowlll> adamk: Not as of yet.
[13:25] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: ok. so that's frustrating. the bit I want to know is if it's working at a drvier level and it's just a pulseaudio /udev discovery problem
[13:25] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I would be more than happy to give you any information you require
[13:26] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: as the alsa subsystem does know about the card
[13:26] <nevyn> I'd like to know what the output of aplay -L is
[13:26] <wilee-nilee> columb, here is the wiki for using /etc/default/grub   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS   Don't forget to update-grub after doing this.
[13:27] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: is HDMI still at index 2 in /proc/asound/cards?
[13:27] <nevyn> 2: [HDMI    ] ..... ATI HDMI
[13:27] <lllsondowlll> http://pastebin.com/njBtV4dB
[13:28] <lllsondowlll> ' 2 [HDMI           ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI                       HDA ATI HDMI at 0xf7e60000 irq 48
[13:29] <Guest50662> hello
[13:29] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Also keep in mind I have 4 HDMI slots, 1 on my card, 1 onboard , and 2 on my capture
[13:29] <nevyn> right.
[13:29] <nevyn> but that HDMI is only the ati card...
[13:30] <nevyn> is the capture card also ati?
[13:30] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: alright
[13:30] <nevyn> so it has 4 sub devices 0,1,2,3
[13:30] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: No I am just listing specifics not that it pertains to this situation but for future refrences
[13:30] <lllsondowlll> It doesn't have a 3
[13:30] <nevyn> please test using speaker-test -t wav -Dplughw:2,0
[13:31] <nevyn> incrementing the last number through to 3
[13:31] <nevyn> so
[13:31] <nevyn> please test using speaker-test -t wav -Dplughw:2,1
[13:31] <Guest50662> easy
[13:31] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: the realtek chip implements 4 hdmi endpoints...
[13:32] <lllsondowlll> Playback device is plughw:2,0 Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels WAV file(s) Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[13:32] <nevyn> hrm
[13:32] <lllsondowlll> Playback device is plughw:2,1 Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels WAV file(s) Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory shadowlag@Gigabyte-Linux:~$ sudo speaker-test -t wav -Dplughw:2,0
[13:32] <nevyn> oh..
[13:32] <nevyn> oh..
[13:32] <nevyn> needs -c 2
[13:33] <lllsondowlll> Playback device is plughw:2,1 Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels Using 16 octaves of pink noise Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[13:34] <marianne> hi guys... new problem... 12.04 64 bit VLC 2.0.8 ...playing blu-rays... i had them playing a few days ago and now I'm getting the error that I need libaacs.so.0, I downloaded the file but I can't seem to move it where it needs to be to work
[13:34] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: forget about -t wav
[13:34] <nevyn> and get rid of plug
[13:34] <nevyn> so speaker-test -c 2 -Dhw:2,0
[13:34] <nevyn> I want to see if the open errorr goes away
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> lllsondowlll  is this command useful       play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*
[13:36] <lllsondowlll> no audio
[13:36] <lllsondowlll> play is not a command
[13:36] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: did you still get an open error with speaker-test -c2 -Dhw:2,0 ?
[13:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> question. I regularly telnet into my router to tweak nsh settings, and usually manually do "netcat ip port | tee yy-mm-dd.#.log" to keep track of changes in case I screw something up. is there a way to automatically set the date & increment the # value if a file exists?
[13:37] <lllsondowlll> Playback device is hw:2,0 Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels Using 16 octaves of pink noise Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[13:37] <nevyn> please try the other 3 subdevices?
[13:38] <lllsondowlll> 3 is the only one displaying an output
[13:38] <lllsondowlll> no audio
[13:38] <nevyn> ooh
[13:38] <nevyn> what's it do?
[13:38] <lllsondowlll> test left
[13:38] <lllsondowlll> test right
[13:38] <lllsondowlll> test left
[13:39] <lllsondowlll> test... you get the picture
[13:39] <nevyn> cool so it IS 3
[13:39] <nevyn> alsamixer -c HDMI
[13:39] <nevyn> do you see 4 00's?
[13:39] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: "nc ip port | tee `date %y-%m-%d`" will write to (for example) 13-07-03, but not sure about the autoincrement
[13:40] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: those are backticks ````` by the way
[13:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: we meet again :P
[13:40] <nevyn> the tv is on and displaying a picture right?
[13:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, non-shifted tildas, right?
[13:40] <blazemore> depends on your keyboard layout, but on mine (United Kingdom), yes
[13:40] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Seriously? lol
[13:41] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: yeah. most tv's won't accept audio without a pic.
[13:41] <nevyn> but it is..
[13:41] <nevyn> It's nearly midnight here ;)
[13:41] <lllsondowlll> nevyn:  Yeah...
[13:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: a bit closer, thankya. I was thinking in that direction, but it printed a literal %d in the filename. I was missing the backticks, lol. I think %n is what I need for the other bit....
[13:41] <lllsondowlll> nevyn:  I'm on my tv lol
[13:42] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: no, look what happens when you just run "date %y-%m-%d"
[13:42] <nevyn> so leave the speakertest -c2 -Dhw:2,3 running and turn the tv up
[13:42] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: The backticks just mean "insert the output of this command here"
[13:42] <lllsondowlll> My sound system is always at 60
[13:42] <lllsondowlll> I would hear that trust me
[13:42] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: the %y etc syntax is part of date, see "man date" for more info
[13:42] <lllsondowlll> I did have it working before
[13:42] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: bear with me try -c6
[13:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: yeah, I getcha. actialy running date without did not do it...
[13:43] <lllsondowlll> I think its because of my last clean install I used the compiler before I ran the ubuntu update thus changing the kernel
[13:43] <jacks_cool> The problem got solved.
[13:44] <jacks_cool> The Hard disk space was issue due to which it was running  very slow
[13:44] <blazemore> lllsondowlll: http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/126713-file-name-suffix-running-number.html
[13:44] <lllsondowlll> sudo speaker-test -c6 wav -Dhw:2,1
[13:44] <blazemore> jacks_cool: It's best to leave at least 10% of the space on your disk free (more if you can spare it)
[13:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: nope, returns "bash: fg: %y-%m-%d: no such job" :/
[13:44] <lllsondowlll> Playback device is hw:2,1 Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 6 channels Using 16 octaves of pink noise Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory shadowlag@Gigabyte-Linux:~$
[13:44] <jacks_cool> Is it possible to increase more disk space?
[13:44] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: Sorry, what does?
[13:45] <jacks_cool> After installation.
[13:45] <blazemore> jacks_cool: Do you live in the usa?
[13:45] <jacks_cool> blazemore: India
[13:45] <blazemore> jacks_cool: www.amazon.in
[13:45] <blazemore> jacks_cool: buy a bigger hard disk
[13:45] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: don't worry about anything other than hw:2,3
[13:46] <blazemore> jacks_cool: If you're dual-booting, you could boot from a LiveCD, run the partition manager, and resize your WIndows parittion to be smaller, and your Ubuntu one to be bigger
[13:46] <Pici> blazemore, ntzrmtthihu777: date +%y-%m-%d
[13:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: the "nc ip port | tee `%y-%m-%d`" command
[13:46] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: that was my mistake I repeated an old command
[13:46] <lllsondowlll> Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[13:46] <lllsondowlll> there is the correct one
[13:46] <lllsondowlll> ^
[13:47] <lllsondowlll> I guess it's busy not working.
[13:47] <Pici> blazemore, ntzrmtthihu777: you need to put a + in front of the date format.
[13:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> Pici: the date command is not really what I'm after here. I just wish to be able to keep track of my telnet logs automaticaly using the yy-mm-dd.#.log naming format.
[13:47] <Duologic> I have a Ubuntu server "precise" with Samba 3.6.3 running, is it safe to add quantal repositories to apt sources to upgrade to Samba 3.6.6? or at least, will it work?
[13:47] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: Do they have to be numbers at the end like 1,2,3 etc?
[13:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> Pici: well the date + yadayada did it :P
[13:47] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: Or do they only have to be different?
[13:47] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: is the other speaker test still running?
[13:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: whatya mean?
[13:47] <jacks_cool> blazemore: thanks for the piece of advice
[13:48] <jacks_cool> I will try that :)
[13:48] <blazemore> ntzrmtthihu777: Because you could use %s for unix timestamp, which changes once per second
[13:48] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Not visibly no
[13:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: ah, I getcah. honestly as long as they are incrementally different it doesnt matter.
[13:49] <drasko> hi all, I am booting ubuntu on Wandboard (i.MX6), and in the end it pauses before presenting me login screen. This pause takes long time, without any print on the console. Where to look?
[13:49] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: fuser /dev/snd/*C2*
[13:49] <lllsondowlll> fuser /dev/snd/*C2*
[13:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: so I should do "netcat ip port | tee `date +%y-%m-%d.%s`.log and it should work?
[13:50] <jacks_cool> blazemore: Can we directly increase space from disk management in windows?
[13:50] <lllsondowlll>    /dev/snd/controlC2:   1869  3067 /dev/snd/pcmC2D3p:    4593m
[13:50] <jacks_cool> Will it effect the system in any way?
[13:50] <blazemore> jacks_cool: Ideally no, but obviously back up before messing around with your partitions
[13:50] <nevyn> ps -ef|grep 4593
[13:50] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: or pgrep 4593
[13:50] <blazemore> jacks_cool: It's one of the most potentially destructive operations it's possible to do on a system
[13:51] <nevyn> which is shorter ;)
[13:51] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, for what OS?
[13:51] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  that's what I said earlier: first backup
[13:51] <lllsondowlll> root      4593  4592  0 08:38 ?        00:00:00 speaker-test -c2 -Dhw:2,3 1000      4774  4673  0 08:50 pts/9    00:00:00 grep --color=auto 4593
[13:51] <blazemore> jacks_cool: But don't let that scare you - the graphical tool makes resizing very easy
[13:51] <zephyr> I had to remove PulseAudio; what is a good alternative that I can use to control my audio?
[13:51] <lllsondowlll> Seems like its being used
[13:51] <drasko> hi all, I am booting ubuntu on Wandboard (i.MX6), and in the end it pauses before presenting me login screen. This pause takes long time, without any print on the console. Where to look?
[13:51] <blazemore> zephyr: Why did you have to remove pulse?
[13:51] <jacks_cool> I think partition manager will be a good option
[13:51] <nevyn> zephyr: pulseaudio...?
[13:51] <nevyn> why did you remove it?
[13:51] <jacks_cool> to increase my disk space
[13:51] <zephyr> blazemore: xmbc wasn't playing nice with it for some reason.
[13:51] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: A way to force quit?
[13:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> Pici: blazemore: thankya, this got me what I needed :P
[13:52] <jacks_cool> wille-nille: Ubuntu
[13:52] <blazemore> zephyr: Fix that in xbmc, don't just blindly remove pulseaudio
[13:52] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: kill 4593
[13:52] <nevyn> you probably want sudo for that.
[13:52] <Duologic> I have a Ubuntu server "precise" with Samba 3.6.3 running, is it safe to add quantal repositories to apt sources to upgrade to Samba 3.6.6? or at least, will it work?
[13:52] <jacks_cool> I have my ubuntu disk of 18gn
[13:52] <jacks_cool> gb*
[13:52] <jacks_cool> out of which 17gn is full
[13:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> Duologic: bad idea, most times.
[13:52] <jacks_cool> gb*
[13:52] <FloodBot1> jacks_cool: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:52] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, I have not followed your posts, your asking to expand ubuntu from windows?
[13:53] <jacks_cool> The disk space in ubuntu is to be increased.
[13:53] <lllsondowlll> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 6 channels Using 16 octaves of pink noise Channels count (6) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument
[13:53] <blazemore> OK jacks_cool so you should boot from the live CD, then run the partition editor. Find your Windows partition and shrink it, then find your Ubuntu partition and expand it into the free space
[13:53] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, This a wubi install?
[13:53] <nevyn> jacks_cool: lllsondowlll ok. that's it hating 6 ch..
[13:53] <Duologic> ntzrmtthihu777: any reason why it is a bad idea?
[13:53] <jacks_cool> yes it is a wubi install.
[13:54] <lllsondowlll> the sound test runs on 2
[13:54] <auronandace> Duologic: you don't mix releases
[13:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> Duologic: perhaps the quantal version of whatever you want to add the source from depends on other quantal stuffs, that precise does not have.
[13:54] <lllsondowlll> but it isn't outputting audio
[13:54] <auronandace> Duologic: things will break
[13:54] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, you can't just exspand that with a partitioner.
[13:54] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  wubi is not a real installation
[13:54] <blazemore> I'm away for a while (going to do some actual work)
[13:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: in general wubi installs are too much of a pita to deal with, and are fails.
[13:54] <blazemore> jacks_cool: If you used wubi you are stuck
[13:54] <blazemore> jacks_cool: Nobody in here would recommend wubi, and we all wish it would go away
[13:54] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: the local speakers on the tv are disabled?
[13:55] <wilee-nilee> ALL OF YOU ADVISED THEM WITHOUT CONFIRMING THIS< LOL
[13:55] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Yes
[13:55] <Duologic> it's only about 10 packages
[13:55] <blazemore> wilee-nilee: And how did you help?
[13:55] <jacks_cool> blazemore: Can I backup my current linux data and import it again in new installation?
[13:55] <wilee-nilee> blazemore, I found they were running a wubi, did you know that.
[13:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: why bother using wubi, which will consume disc space and is vulnerable to windows filesystem fragmentation, when you could do a full install and be safe from windows's foibles?
[13:55] <lllsondowlll> nevyn:  odd that this would cause a problem as it passes through to audio system fine with ati ccc driver
[13:56] <blazemore> jacks_cool: Yes of course - copy your important files you want to keep onto a USB flash drive or something, and then copy them back again once you've done your real install
[13:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: short of booting wubi, copying your personal data to an exernal source, and then installing again, no. but yeah, yoiu can do it, as blazemore said.
[13:56] <blazemore> jacks_cool: If you are asking "can I turn a wubi installation into a real one?" the short answer is "no"
[13:56] <wilee-nilee> blazemore, Again not true that can be transfered to a partition.
[13:56] <jacks_cool> blazemore: I meant to back up my data only.
[13:57] <adamk> lllsondowlll: If it works with fglrx and not with radeon, you really need to try using the kernel option I mentioned above.  Have you confirmed that the radeon driver supports HDMI audio on your GPU?
[13:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> wilee-nilee: short answer, not "technically accurate and easy to do" answer :P
[13:57] <wilee-nilee> BS
[13:57] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: can you just check the speakers on the tv I just want to verify it's not some hdcp snafu.
[13:58] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, here is the migrate wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MigrateWubi
[13:58] <lllsondowlll> adamk: The problem is within the fact that not even fglrx will enable it only CCC drivers
[13:58] <nevyn> I mean it's still totally not usable even if they're outputing sound I know.. but I'm curious
[13:58] <adamk> lllsondowlll: CCC drivers?  Catalyst and fglrx are the same drivers.
[13:58] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: fglrx is the catylst driver
[13:58] <lllsondowlll> adamk: I understand but I'm talking about the website package that comes with CCC
[13:59] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, You have to be careful to be clear on the channel, or you will get bad advice, this is unusual, wubi has its own treatment.
[13:59] <adamk> lllsondowlll: You're really not making much sense to me...
[13:59] <adamk> So I'm done.
[13:59] <zoie> what would be the equivalent for partial orders of deterministic buchi automata for totals orders (words)
[13:59] <theadmin> zoie: ...Wat?
[14:00] <lllsondowlll> adamk: I am speaking about the ATI AMD RADEON WEBSITE driver. not the repo
[14:00] <zephyr> I had to remove PulseAudio and I now have no volume control.  How would I go about replacing that functionality?
[14:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> zoie: was.... was that even english?
[14:00] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: it's the same code.
[14:00] <wilee-nilee> ntzrmtthihu777, Read the wiki simple copy and paste code.
[14:00] <zoie> theadmin: ntzrmtthihu777 sorry this was for #math
[14:00] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: I have no arguement with that, but then please explain to me why my device is not listed
[14:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> wilee-nilee: is it even worth the effort? and can it go catastropically wrong?
[14:00] <theadmin> zephyr: GNOME is incapable of producing sound via plain ALSA since 3.0. You'll need another desktop environment :/
[14:01] <adamk> lllsondowlll: The website might have a newer version than the repo, but it's the same proprietary driver.  And till you at least try using the kernel option mentioned, I'm done.
[14:01] <theadmin> zephyr: Or just get Pulse back
[14:01] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: When I compile the driver myself it is
[14:01] <nevyn> listed where?
[14:01] <zephyr> theadmin: pulse is the only option now?  That doesn't seem very linuxy.
[14:01] <theadmin> zephyr: I know, the GNOME team is doing some pretty odd stuff recently.
[14:01] <nevyn> zephyr: you could use nas or esd or arts if you want to build them
[14:01] <zephyr> theadmin: But, I've tried reinstalling pulse but now I have no sound at all... where do I need to configure that?
[14:01] <jacks_cool> I think best option will be to copy my important data and reinstall the ubuntu
[14:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> zephyr: welcome to ubuntu, lol. pretty soon it will be mir only, and to heck with x.org and wayland.
[14:02] <nevyn> ntzrmtthihu777: mir shudder..
[14:02] <lllsondowlll> adamk: Well thank you for being so very helpful. I was planning on trying my own method but nevyn wanted me to continue troubleshooting with him so I stuck around, what you are asking requires a reboot and to stop in the middle of what I am doing.
[14:02] <lllsondowlll> adamk: But thank you for being so very short.
[14:02] <zephyr> ntzrmtthihu777: wayland would be nice but I doubt we'll ever see it in a usable state.
[14:02] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: did you turn the speakers on?
[14:02] <theadmin> zephyr: Hm, you'll also need indicator-sound, the volume control thingy
[14:02] <jacks_cool> Can any one link me to steps for live cd installation?
[14:02] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Yes I did
[14:02] <nevyn> zephyr: I'm pretty disappointed that it's not dogfood yet.
[14:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: hear hear! and while you're at it, use a separate /home partition if you're allocating any large amount of hdd space to ubuntu.
[14:03] <auronandace> !install | jacks_cool
[14:03] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Process is being used again
[14:03] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, What is the windows version?
[14:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: it basically explains itself, step by step.
[14:03] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: fuser /dev/snd/*C2* then pgrep the last number
[14:03] <zephyr> theadmin: I'm using Cinnamon as my environment, by the way.
[14:03] <theadmin> zephyr: That's a GNOME3 fork so...
[14:03] <jacks_cool> I am using windows 7.
[14:03] <nevyn> check if it's speaker-test -c6 and kill it
[14:04] <theadmin> zephyr: But hm. I'm not sure what's the gnome3 volume controller. Might be the same though
[14:04] <zephyr> theadmin: soooooooo Pulse it is
[14:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> zephyr: basically :P
[14:04] <nevyn> theadmin: gnome-volume-control is a pulse app
[14:04] <zephyr> Happen to know what I need to do after installing the pulseaudio package to finish setting it up?
[14:04] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, So you want to resize it with its disk manager leaving a unallocated space for ubuntu, and reboot so it runs its auto chkdsk then install ubuntu to that unallocated space. However there are partition types and amount that are limitations.
[14:05] <theadmin> zephyr: Well you'll need the volume control tool. For Unity that's indicator-sound, but I have no idea about Gnome Shell. Maybe this gnome-volume-control thing nevyn is talking about.
[14:05] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: Process is killed
[14:05] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Do you have windows backed up an image/ghost/clone, and do yuou have a recovery or install disc?
[14:05] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: speaker-test -c2 -Dhw2,3
[14:06] <zephyr> nevyn: what package is that in?  gnome-volume-control
[14:06] <jacks_cool> wilee-nilee: What will be the steps to uninstall the current wubi part?
[14:06] <lllsondowlll> Playback device is hw2,3 Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels Using 16 octaves of pink noise ALSA lib pcm.c:2217:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw2,3 Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[14:06] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, You can remove it from the add remove in the control panel.
[14:06] <jacks_cool> wilee-nilee-: I am afraid I don't have one. Does is result in loss of datA?
[14:07] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, YOu can make a recovery disc in W7 small iso for repairs.
[14:07] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: is it still in /proc/asound/cards?
[14:07] <jacks_cool> ah yes I made one I remember to fix grub part as I had formatted my linux drive driectly.
[14:08] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, You should always havea clone, anything can happen especially user error.
[14:08] <lllsondowlll> Yes
[14:08] <lllsondowlll> 2 [HDMI           ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI                       HDA ATI HDMI at 0xf7e60000 irq 48
[14:08] <jacks_cool> So I need to backup my important data from current linux. Format it. Allocate a new space and then run live cd.
[14:08] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: that's odd. it worked a few minutes ago.. and now it's disappeared...
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> !backup | jacks_cool
[14:09] <lllsondowlll> nevyn I did not use the D
[14:09] <lllsondowlll> sudo speaker-test -c2 -Dhw2,3 vs sudo speaker-test -c2 -hw2,3
[14:09] <adamk> lllsondowlll: According to the developers on #radeon, HDMI audio for the HD7950 is not implemented yet in the radeon driver.
[14:09] <rapidx> Has anyone tried to setup a GNUDip server?
[14:09] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Yes, however you want to know that you can have only 4 primary partitions or 3 primaries with logical partition inside on a single HD. Many windows installs have 4 primaries already.
[14:09] <lllsondowlll> adamk: That is why I was using the websites package
[14:10] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: different software completely
[14:10] <nevyn> hrm
[14:10] <adamk> lllsondowlll: OK, well you said above you were trying to use the radeon driver now, as I recall.
[14:10] <jacks_cool> Yeah.I have 2 for my windows and one for my linux
[14:10] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Sorry 4the partition is an extended with logicals inside.
[14:10] <vmenezes> just installed ubuntu 13.04 64bits on my Asus U36J, after installing the codecs, connected the HDMI and got impressed that my nVidia was working with no need of any additional driver nor workarounds...after couple hours watching a movie it froze and I figured out that my laptop was extremelly hot! it was the end, my laptop died =/
[14:10] <lllsondowlll> adamk: I am willing to try what ever works. I'll explain again real quick for a recap
[14:10] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, the wubi has no partition it is a file in windows.
[14:10] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: I've got to run and catch the last train.. ;)
[14:11] <lllsondowlll> nevyn: well thanks anyway gf will be waking soon as well
[14:11] <nevyn> lllsondowlll: your only option seems to be fglrx
[14:11] <jacks_cool> What I did was I created a separate partition in windows and installed wubi in there.
[14:11] <nevyn> which makes me sad..
[14:11] <nevyn> but oh well thanks for percevering ;) I hope you sort it out.
[14:12] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Best thing you can do here is to get the live ubuntu cd and use the channel for the install, making sure who helps ses the partitions on the HD from ubuntu.
[14:12] <wilee-nilee> sees*
[14:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: unlikely. wubi is installed as a windows "program", which should be on C: by default. but then again I'm just average joe talking here :P
[14:12] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Ah well even though you made a partition ubuntu is a file there, not a normal install.
[14:13] <wilee-nilee> !who | jacks_cool
[14:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> or wait, isn't the new win7 "C:" actually "D:" now, due to the little bootloader partition they have?
[14:13] <tgm4883> ntzrmtthihu777, no, the 100mb partition is hidden
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  wubi creates a space *inside* windows, not alongside it, so not independent of it
[14:14] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Let me say from see what you don't know makes me concerned for your whole setuo. ;)
[14:14] <wilee-nilee> seeing*
[14:14] <lllsondowlll> adamk: radeon: No sound implimented - fglrx(repo): no sound implimented - flgrx-update(repo): No sound implimented - flgrx(AMD)(Not supported in IRC I'm told): Works but the audio is choppy, worked before I did a clean wipe if I remember could be due to the fact last time I installed it before updating on a fresh install and the time it worked was AFTER (theory) - 3.9.0 was told to fix this problem network does not work in this
[14:14] <jacks_cool> ubottu: Got it :)
[14:15] <jacks_cool> ubottu: No worries ;)
[14:15] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, This is not difficult, however there is a process to follow exactly.
[14:16] <lllsondowlll> adamk: So my only option was to work with the kind folk here to help in which ever way they could within their means.
[14:16] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: I think formatting it will be a good option
[14:16] <ned_> stupid question..but..is there like a windows task manager for ubuntu.. to close down programs that wont close???
[14:16] <willybilly0101> ps aux
[14:16] <willybilly0101> kill
[14:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> tgm4883: ah. its been about a year since I touched win7
[14:16] <lllsondowlll> ned: sudo xkill
[14:16] <theadmin> ned_: Sure, there's one built in, look up System Monitor in the dash
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  format what? and don't forget to backup first!
[14:16] <adamk> lllsondowlll: Which is fine...  Except above you said "Just so I am clear, we are still on the subject of tackling why in my ubuntu 13.04 using the radeon driver that the ATI HDMI audio device isn't showing up or not acting loaded correct?"
[14:16] <jacks_cool> wilee-nilee: yeah now I am pretty clear with what wubi does.
[14:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> ned_: graphically: gnome-system-monitor
[14:16] <ned_> ty guys
[14:17] <adamk> lllsondowlll: Are you telling me you knew all along that it wasn't supported with the radeon driver?
[14:17] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: format my linux partition and yes backup it first.
[14:17] <lllsondowlll> adamk: I was speaking of HD radeon, I'm sorry I did not clarify.
[14:17] <blazemore> jacks_cool: you don't *have* a real Linux partition
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[14:17] <ActionParsnip> lllsondowlll: gksudo for gui apps, not sudo
[14:17] <lllsondowlll> adamk: No I did not know that. I rarely used this.
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  use a live session, then use gparted to make free space
[14:17] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: I had alloted 25gb partition and got only 17gb for linux
[14:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> blazemore: lol, he means the one he installed it to, even if it was a wubi install ;)
[14:18] <jacks_cool> blazemore: got it ;)
[14:18] <lllsondowlll> adamk: This being this specific driver. as I wish to use amd's flgrx
[14:18] <adamk> lllsondowlll: So you shouldn't have said you were trying to get it working with the "radeon driver"...
[14:19] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: the latest release of ubuntu will be the best bet to install?
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  12.04 if you want long support, 13.04 if you want the latest stuff
[14:20] <theadmin> jacks_cool: I'd say go with the LTS -- more stable, longer support, better for new people imo
[14:20] <lllsondowlll> adamk: The name of the ATI series cards are HD RADEON is it not my fault that developers decided to name a driver after the hardware. Also the genetlemen I was working with well understood what I meant due to my explanation of my situation beforehand. I feel as if you aren't here to help but be an anal rententive asshole.
[14:20] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: 32 bit or 64 bit which is more preferable?
[14:20] <wilee-nilee> MonkeyDust, Ubuntu itself suggests using the windows partitioner to resize windows.
[14:20] <jacks_cool> theadmin: thanks for it ;)
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  depends o your hardware, 32 runs on both 32 and 64 bit hardware
[14:21] <tgm4883> adac, lllsondowlll lets keep it civil and helping
[14:21] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: but there are large dependencies issues in installing softwares in 64 bit.
[14:21] <prashant_123456> while installing ubuntu 12.04lts on virtualbox i get this error piix4_smbus 0000.00.07.0: SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade bios or use force_addr=0xaddr ?
[14:21] <tgm4883> jacks_cool, there are? I must reformat immediately!
[14:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: I also concur with the 12.04 suggestion, and further suggest 64bit if your machine is capable. another thing, being personal opinion, is give xubuntu a shot ;)
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  use whatever you're comfortable with
[14:22] <Kitt3n|afk> .
[14:22] <Kitt3n|afk> Ops.
[14:22] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: thanks :)
[14:22] <tgm4883> jacks_cool, what are these large dependency issues you speak of?
[14:22] <jacks_cool> ntzrmtthihu777: Xubuntu?
[14:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: Ubuntu - unity + xfce, basically.
[14:23] <jacks_cool> tgm4883: While installing one of the software ( idk what it's name was) it asked for 32 bit ubuntu
[14:23] <Monkeytoe> there any way to snapshot my system files after I install? lets say I install ubuntu... download the updates... right before I install AMD APP SDK I was hoping to be able to revert back to... amd app sdk does not have an uninstaller and even if you delete the video driver its files still stay... so I was hoping I could just snapshot the list of all the file versions, and use apt get to roll it
[14:23] <Monkeytoe> back when I want to try a different version install
[14:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> tgm4883: I bet hes talking about multiarch & some packages only work with 32bit libs.
[14:23] <tgm4883> jacks_cool, I find that highly doubtful if you were installing from the repos
[14:23] <tgm4883> ntzrmtthihu777, even then, that is super easy to install
[14:23] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoResizeWindowsPartitions#Windows_Disk_Management
[14:24] <justin> hello?
[14:24] <tgm4883> ntzrmtthihu777, and should also be a bug report if it's not installing automatically
[14:24] <MonkeyDust> Monkeytoe  you can do that with btrfs, not with ext
[14:24] <Kitt3n> Hi, justin. :)
[14:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_cool: you can install ia32-libs, I think its called, and have multi-arch easy.
[14:24] <justin> i just got ubuntu
[14:24] <jacks_cool> tgm4663: Idk why but I used this: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[14:24] <jacks_cool> yesh
[14:24] <justin> and a friend told me to go on here to ask this problem i'm having
[14:24] <Kitt3n> !ask | justin
[14:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ask | justin
[14:24] <tgm4883> jacks_cool, that is just.... awful
[14:24] <jacks_cool> wilee-nilee:thanks for the link :)
[14:25] <tgm4883> !tab | jacks_cool
[14:25] <justin> ok sorry
[14:25] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, If you get a chance look at that wiki.
[14:25] <justin> i am trying to download and play DDO
[14:25] <philwong> is there no skype for ubuntu?
[14:25] <jacks_cool> wilee-nilee:sure :)
[14:25] <tgm4883> !skype | philwong
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> philwong: there is a Skype client
[14:25] <theadmin> philwong: Sure is, just go to Skype.com and download it.
[14:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> justin: tried that, won't usually work unless you install in windows and copy over the folder.
[14:25] <justin> yep i got it off skype.com
[14:25] <philwong> I tried to use apt-get skype
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> philwong: in teh partner repo, or grab the deb from the skype site...
[14:25] <philwong> was ot there
[14:25] <philwong> not
[14:25] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, This is a old school linux biased channel, I'm a 99% open source user so I'm not just blowing steam here.
[14:26] <justin> damn that sucks
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> philwong: skype isnt an option of apt-get
[14:26] <tgm4883> philwong, please read the help site
[14:26] <theadmin> philwong: "apt-get skype" wouldn't do anything, you need to "apt-get install skype", either way though, you can always download from the wobsite.
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> philwong: you need the partner repo enabling then run:   sudo apt-get install skype
[14:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: easy as hell.
[14:26] <wilee-nilee> I started on open source jacks_cool
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> "wobsite" :)
[14:26] <philwong> ok
[14:26] <philwong> will try
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: too much dub ;)
[14:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: in other words, follow the instructions in the posted skype wiki link.
[14:27] <theadmin> MonkeyDust: (xkcd reference)
[14:27] <jacks_cool> ubottu: I am new to this.Thanks for the piece of advice.
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> philwong: if your OS is 64bit you will haul in a lot of deps as the client is 32bit only
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> philwong: but your OS will be multiarch
[14:27] <marianne> ok Blu-Ray player does work, just not with that one movie... lamesauce
[14:28] <jacks_cool> wilee-nilee, that's fine .
[14:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: if its anything like dvd, you may need to install restricted codecs.
[14:28] <treehau55> anyone help out with some power settings? I have ubuntu 12.04 and a samsung 7 laptop. I fianlly have overcome the dual graphics issue, but now powertop just has all my pci and usb devices at 100%
[14:28] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Cool, I'm just concerned is all. ;)
[14:29] <jacks_cool> wilee-nilee: This is my best interaction on IRC channel. So much rules while talking. I learnt a lot. Will look into all the links provided by everyone :)
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> treehau55: are there any bugs reported?
[14:30] <wilee-nilee> jacks_cool, Best of luck you will probably be okay, I just don't brick others setuos, I never have.
[14:30] <jack> hello
[14:30] <jacks_cool> Thanks to all for the information and links. Will try my best to get installation done
[14:30] <jack> gd evening
[14:31] <Guest72335> how do i fix "waiting for apt-get to exit" problem
[14:31] <wilee-nilee> Guest72335, It is easier if you use an actual nick there are tons of guests.
[14:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest72335: wait, lol.
[14:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> wilee-nilee: he was jack but got guested for some reason.
[14:32] <treehau55> ActionParsnip, I found 2 that were from Dec '11 and Dec '12, I already tried their suggested solutions, some poeple point to the raring kernel being the solution, however thats not an option for me at the moment, I need the stability
[14:32] <wilee-nilee> !detals | Guest72335
[14:32] <wilee-nilee> !details | Guest72335
[14:33] <Guest72335> ubuntu 13.04,i was trying to run sudo apt-get update command then it was stop working for some reason...
[14:34] <Guest72335> now i want to install a sofware from software center but it says waiting for apt-get to exit..
[14:34] <Kitt3n> Guest72335, reboot?
[14:34] <wilee-nilee> Guest72335, HOw long has it said that?
[14:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest72335: this is because both software center and apt-get are more or less the same thing. you cannot use them at the same time due to a lockfile.
[14:35] <Guest72335> still waiting boss...
[14:35] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: I have a file I need to move into the lib64 directory, but it's being a troll and giving me errors when I attempt to move it... permissions issue. I'll probably try to figure it out over the long weekend, unless someone can help now
[14:35] <wilee-nilee> Guest72335, Kernel upgrades can take a bit longer be careful here and answer questions.
[14:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: in general the user should not directly fiddle with lib64, so what are you doing and why are you doing it?
[14:35] <Kitt3n> marianne, open a terminal and launch nautilus as root
[14:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: don't give potentially catastropic instructions unless the situation clearly needs it.
[14:36] <theadmin> Kitt3n: Woah, that's a bad idea.
[14:36] <Guest72335> hw to solve it without reboot
[14:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest72335: wait.
[14:36] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: I need to move the libaacs.so.0 file into it...
[14:36] <Kitt3n> He asked? :P
[14:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: why?
[14:36] <marianne> Kitt3n: I'll try it in a bit... work calls
[14:37] <wilee-nilee> Guest72335, How long has it been on the waiting to exit, use nicks to answer if you are poating to someone.
[14:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: and where did you get it from? I highly suggest you do not follow Kitt3n's instructions.
[14:37] <wilee-nilee> posting*
[14:37] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: because everything I read online says that it's the file i'm missing
[14:37] <Guest72335> wilee-nilee : still waiting....
[14:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: file you're missing for what?
[14:38] <wilee-nilee> Guest72335, HOW LONG?
[14:38] <Guest72335> wilee-nilee : its been an hour
[14:38] <tgm4883> marianne, that file is in libaacs0
[14:38] <theadmin> Guest72335: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/{dpkg,apt/lists}/lock && sudo apt-get -f install should help.
[14:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest72335: then reboot.
[14:38] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: to play blu-ray movies in VLC
[14:38] <treehau55> my god, I spike up to 27.7w in consumption, this is unreal, there is something wrong
[14:38] <llutz> !info libaacs0 | marianne install this, it contains the file
[14:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: sudo apt-get install libaacs0,
[14:38] <Guest72335> theadmin : k wait ...let me try
[14:38] <treehau55> i should be at ~7-8
[14:39] <tgm4883> marianne, but located elsewhere. Rather then guessing with random information you found on some website, maybe state what issue you are trying to fix and we can help.
[14:39] <wilee-nilee> Guest72335, Ah, how big was the update?
[14:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: and you should likely never ever place .so files into the lib dirs manually. especially because .so.# files are just symlinks, iirc.
[14:39] <wilee-nilee> and how fast is your internet connection?
[14:39] <Guest72335> wilee-nilee : it was studked/hanged..
[14:40] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: ok...didn't know that... give me a sec, I sudo'd and I'm going to try it
[14:40] <wilee-nilee> Guest72335, If you are sure it is hanged/stuck which is unusual close the terminal and we can go from there.
[14:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: what do you mean by "sudo'd"? I hope you did not sudo su.
[14:40] <Guest72335> theadmin : problem solved thanks....
[14:41] <theadmin> Guest72335: Tada
[14:41] <treehau55> is there an upgrade path from 12.04 to 13.04? or is it only 12.10 to 13.04?
[14:41] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: no I ran the install for the file
[14:41] <wilee-nilee> +! and a smattering of aplause for theadmin ;)\
[14:41] <Guest72335> wilee-nilee : solved the problem .... thanks
[14:41] <wilee-nilee> cool
[14:42] <theadmin> treehau55: No, there isn't... Just wait for 14.04, you'll be able to update to that directly, eh
[14:42] <Guest72335> theadmin is d bosss
[14:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> treehau55: you can only jump from lts to lts, if you want to go from 12.04 to 13.04 it must be 12.04 => 12.10 => 13.04
[14:42] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: tried to play the blu-ray movie in VLC and this is the error I'm getting -- This Blu-Ray Disc needs a library for BD+ decoding, and your system does not have it.
[14:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: yep, we've gathered that, does the libaac0 solution fix the issue?
[14:43] <Guest72335> is there any way to backup whole os on a dvd/cd
[14:44] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: nope... but it's odd as it's only the one movie... so I'm not going to dwell on it too much
[14:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> !backup | Guest72335
[14:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> marianne: its likely encrypted or sommat.
[14:44] <tgm4883> marianne, did you try installing libbluray1
[14:44] <Guest72335> ubottu: thanks....
[14:45] <marianne> ntzrmtthihu777: yup...lamesauce big time...but hey it plays in the player, just can't watch it in here
[14:45] <treehau55> how do I check if I have 12.04.2?
[14:45] <marianne> tgm4883: no haven't tried that one
[14:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> treehau55: uname -a, I thnk. or lsb_release -a
[14:45] <theadmin> treehau55: If you are on 12.04, you just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:45] <tgm4883> marianne, http://askubuntu.com/a/219174/2159
[14:45] <theadmin> treehau55: 12.04.2 is merely a re-release of the ISO with updated packages.
[14:46] <tgm4883> ntzrmtthihu777, it's lsb_release -a
[14:46] <theadmin> treehau55: lsb_release -sa should also give you your version.
[14:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> tgm4883: I knew it was one or the otehr, thanks :P
[14:46] <theadmin> treehau55: lsb_release -sr, rather.
[14:46] <treehau55> okay, Im using .2 that wont fix it :(
[14:47] <marianne> tgm4883: test failed...
[14:48] <treehau55> when I type sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-quantal I get a whole bunch of stuff to install, should I do it?
[14:48] <tgm4883> marianne, did you go though the rest of that answer?
[14:48] <tgm4883> treehau55, do you need the quantal kernel on 12.04?
[14:48] <marianne> tgm4883: reading now
[14:49] <treehau55> tgm4883, im not sure I need it, im just thinking maybe Ill get better hardware support and thus better power consumption
[14:49] <tgm4883> treehau55, you really need to stop what you are doing and just tell us the issue you are having
[14:49] <neck> Who here is brazilian?
[14:49] <treehau55> the issue is am consuming 20 wats on idle
[14:49] <Pici> !br | neck
[14:49] <treehau55> so I get ~2 hours batt, when I should be getting 6-7
[14:50] <treehau55> ive been trying to fix the power issues on 12.04 since I pretty much got this laptop a year and a half ago
[14:50] <Kitt3n> treehau55, laptop batteries' lifetime gets lower and lower over time.
[14:50] <neck> Who here is swedish?
[14:50] <philwong> hey guys my ubuntu is buggy as anthahx
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> !swedish
[14:50] <treehau55> Kitt3n, I get 7 hours on Win8, so don't think thats the issue.
[14:50] <Kitt3n> treehau55, that's really odd
[14:50] <philwong> firstly everytime I visit some sites ALL browsers crash
[14:50] <philwong> and stop responding
[14:50] <auronandace> neck: do you have a support issue?
[14:50] <tgm4883> treehau55, what laptop
[14:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> !flood | philwong
[14:50] <brontosaurusrex> treehau55, what laptop is it'
[14:50] <treehau55> Samgsung chronos 7
[14:51] <philwong> ...
[14:51] <treehau55> Ive overcome the dual graphics card issue (finally), now its just all the other stuff, mainly the PCI management
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> trench: http://askubuntu.com/questions/290670/ubuntu-on-samsung-series-7-chronos-advice-please
[14:51] <philwong> Is there something wrong with the kernal?
[14:51] <philwong> I am using 13.04
[14:52] <Kitt3n> !details | philwong
[14:52] <tgm4883> treehau55, did you install the proprietary drivers?
[14:52] <hd5770> how to edit grub
[14:52] <brontosaurusrex> philwong, specific sites, or any sites?
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> trench: http://wiki.colar.net/ubuntu_12_04_on_samsung_series_7_chronos_laptop
[14:52] <treehau55> tgm4883, for?
[14:52] <philwong> youtube, freenode, skype etc
[14:52] <tgm4883> treehau55, your video card
[14:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> hd5770: with a text editor, very carefully.
[14:52] <philwong> 90% of sites I tried to visit crashed
[14:52] <hd5770> norty norty
[14:52] <Kitt3n> hd5770, you can use a text editor or Grub customizer
[14:52] <hd5770> isit still in the same place
[14:53] <philwong> and I used chrome, firefox, and that default one that comes with ubuntu(konquerer or something)
[14:53] <treehau55> tgm4883, yeah I followed this a while back, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1930450
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> trench: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1935699
[14:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: quit posting multiple lines. commas are your friend, if you keep this up FloodBot1 is gonna getcha.
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> trench: http://forum.notebookreview.com/samsung/672233-ubuntu-12-04-working-great-chronos-7-np700z5b.html
[14:53] <tgm4883> treehau55, so which graphics card are you running now?
[14:53] <treehau55> tgm4883,  I turn off my discrete card completely, I am running the integrated gpu
[14:53] <tgm4883> hmm
[14:53] <treehau55> its not the graphics card thats sucking the power
[14:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> hd5770: /etc/grub.d/40_custom is your friend here. custom grub entries from here are added, without ruining your actual grub.cfg
[14:54] <treehau55> Audo codec hwC0D3 and hwC0D0 are at 100%, every PCI Device: Intel is at 100% and my iwlwifi is at 100%
[14:54] <tgm4883> treehau55, is the fan always on?
[14:54] <treehau55> tgm4883,  no i followed a guide to fix the fan issue
[14:54] <philwong> ubuntu was very stable in the previous versions
[14:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> hd5770: and should something go catastropically wrong you can always boot a standard grub menu :P
[14:55] <tgm4883> treehau55, odd. I don't know what the issue is then, sorry
[14:55] <philwong> I know there is something wrong with my installation because I used ubuntu in the past without probems
[14:55] <tgm4883> treehau55, you could try the newer kernel, as that will give better hardware support but IDK if it will fix your issue
[14:56] <treehau55> philwong,  theres an old parable: past success does not guarantee future performance
[14:56] <philwong> ok
[14:56] <treehau55> tgm4883, thats exactly what I was asking when I said should I use the quantail stuff
[14:56] <treehau55> when I type sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-quantal I get a whole bunch of stuff to install, should I do it?
[14:56] <hd5770> ntzrmtthihu777, http://askubuntu.com/questions/100232/how-do-i-change-the-grub-boot-order better better option
[14:56] <treehau55> ^ posted that before you started talking
[14:56] <tgm4883> treehau55, I know, but if you don't give us any background as to why you want to do that, we're going to say don't do it
[14:56] <hd5770> thanks for the kind words tho
[14:56] <treehau55> tgm4883,  i gotcha
[14:57] <philwong> anyone know why the crashing keeps occuring?
[14:57] <philwong> 13.04
[14:57] <treehau55> tgm4883, so from what I am reading there isn't any known adverse affects from using newer kernels is there
[14:58] <tgm4883> treehau55, no. The 12.04.2 ISO ships with the newer kernel, but original 12.04 installs don't automatically upgrade
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> philwong: is the system fully updated?
[14:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: we cannot work with nothing. you have literally given no info at all, and expect us to answer. what have you changed recently? any custom setups we should know about? anything other than "boohoo, 13.04 is being mean to me?"
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> philwong: if you log in as a different user, is it ok?
[14:58] <philwong> ActionParsnip: I downloaded this ubuntu yesturday
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> philwong: doesn't matter, did you run full updates?
[14:58] <marianne> tgm4883: still failed... crap and now work is buggin...gotta earn my cheddar ...lates
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> philwong: the ISOs are not 100% up to date, even the daily ISOs
[14:58] <philwong> ActionParsnip: when I installed it, yes it downloaded updates
[14:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> hd5770: changing the grub order is what you're after, but in a better way than the link you posted?
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> philwong: What desktop are you using?
[14:59] <philwong> default one
[14:59] <philwong> but I did install kde
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> philwong: for Ubuntu?
[14:59] <philwong> LXDE
[14:59] <philwong> ActionParsnip: Yes
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> philwong: do you get the crashes in the other desktops?
[15:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: you really needa cut back on the enter keys.
[15:00] <philwong> yes
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> philwong: is there a pattern taht causes the crashes?
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> philwong: what happens when you get a 'crash'?
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> philwong: does the system get hot?
[15:00] <philwong> nothing the browser stops responding
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> philwong: tried a different browser>
[15:01] <philwong> and yes the system always sounds like its very hot and gpu is on full fan
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> philwong: tried a different browser?
[15:01] <philwong> yes I tried chrome, firefox, konqurer
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> philwong: does it crash with non-flash content?
[15:02] <philwong> I dont think so, some sites that are lightweight load fine
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> philwong: does the system have a make and model?
[15:02] <philwong> like  ubuntus
[15:02] <dkelman> hola!! i have a question about ubuntu that google couldn't help me with
[15:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ask | dkelman
[15:02] <philwong> Its an icore5 quadcore, 8gb ram, nvidia gtx560
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> philwong: but does it have a make and model or is it a home build?
[15:03] <philwong> its a custom built one
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> philwong: what i5 do you have? what model?
[15:03] <philwong> 2500
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> philwong: have you installed bumblebee?
[15:04] <femian> Hola como están. Les puedo hacer una consulta?
[15:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> !es | femian
[15:04] <philwong> ActionParsnip: no I have not
[15:04] <Kitt3n> philwong, what nvidia driver are you using?
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> philwong: your CPU has an Intel GPU built in, couple that with your Nvidia and you have a switchable GPU situation
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> philwong: so you need bumblebee
[15:05] <philwong> I am using the driver ubuntu assigned for gpu
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> philwong: its easier if you build a system without a GPU in the CPU, or remove the nvidia
[15:05] <Kitt3n> philwong, try the one from Nvidia?
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> philwong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> philwong: its why the system is running hot, once you get bumblebee in you should be ok but the whole mess is simply best avoided by smart purchasing
[15:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: translation: if you know you're going to use linux, stay the hell away from nvidia
[15:07] <Kitt3n> ^
[15:07] <philwong> hmm
[15:07] <philwong> can bumblebee be instaled from software center
[15:07] <dkelman> does anyone know how i can log system calls regarding the filesystem? e.g. every time i write/read a file and how much data it was
[15:07] <Kitt3n> AMD is better for linux, and it's going to be even better than it already is :D
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> philwong: read the link I gave you, That is why I gave you it
[15:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: you should *read* links we give, we don't have these autoprogrammed into the bot for nothing.
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> Kitt3n: i'd say it was half assd
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> philwong: why do you think I took the time to get you that URL....?
[15:08] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, the only half assd about AMD is the installer is mean.
[15:08] <Kitt3n> Is that the installer*
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> Kitt3n: yeah, loving the great support for 2xxx to 4xxx AMD GPUs...nic
[15:08] <philwong> ActionParsnip: ok man take it  easy, I have it opened here
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> philwong: then why ask, when everything you need is there?
[15:09] <philwong> because I am on a windows machine
[15:09] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, I don't use legacy amd graphic cards, ;p But I guess I could try on my old amd laptop
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> philwong: its still all there
[15:09] <philwong> if its in the software center I wont have to use commands
[15:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: if you're afraid of commands you are on the wrong os.
[15:09] <philwong> I cant even use freenode in ubuntu
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> philwong: its in a PPA sadly, way of teh world
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: not true
[15:10] <Kitt3n> It's true.
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> i have at least 10 users I can name who use Ubuntu daily and never touch command line
[15:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> *snort* in all honesty, how many of the ubuntu wiki/help pages/forum/etc do *not* suggest commands as a fix?
[15:10] <Guest72335> i have downloaded remastersys.deb file and i want to install it to make backup of installed os  ... its not working for some reason ...wt to do
[15:11] <dkelman> does anyone know how i can log system calls regarding the filesystem? e.g. every time i write/read a file and how much data it was
[15:11] <Kitt3n> !details | Guest72335
[15:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest72335: stop downloading random debs and install via software center/synaptic/apt-get.
[15:11] <Guest72335> oky doky ...ntzrmtthihu7777
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> dkelman: you can use tripwire
[15:12] <Guest72335> ubottu: ubuntu 13.04
[15:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> !bot | Guest72335
[15:13] <dkelman> ActionParsnip: thanks, I'm looking into it
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> dkelman: the log would get large, I suggest you ony watch certain folders
[15:14] <dkelman> makes sense
[15:14] <philwong> ok I tried to install bumblebee
[15:15] <philwong> first comand seemed to work, but the second one says :could not get lock"
[15:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: are you trying to run both at the same time?
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> philwong: do you have updates installing or software centre open
[15:16] <philwong> yes software center is open
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> philwong: thats why
[15:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: there you go. musta missed out when we were telling jack/Guest about why you can't run both at the same time.
[15:17] <philwong> I closed software center its still showing the message
[15:17] <Snicers-Work> Hey, I noticed in my TCPdump logs this morning that a massive amount of traffic is going to our mail server, is this typical?
[15:17] <philwong> I would love to paste the output
[15:17] <philwong> but I cant because frenode doesw not work on my ubuntu
[15:17] <Snicers-Work> philwong use xchat as an irc client on ubuntu
[15:17] <aiten_44> Snicer-Work: depends did you have a lot of email going to your mail server?
[15:18] <Kitt3n> Or hexchat
[15:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: yep, because of this you're gonna have issues. patience, and consistency, are your friends. if you're gonna use software center, use software center. if you're gonna use apt-get, use apt-get. *dont* try to do the same thing at the same time with two different programs, it will *not* end well.
[15:19] <philwong> ok, maybe I should reboot and try it
[15:19] <philwong> I have no idea which other one is running but ok
[15:20] <bigtoe376> Has there been any work on the gvfs-fuse issue?  Not to be confrontational but this seems to be a MAJOR issue, file copying solidity should never be ignored.
[15:20] <philwong> I tried to install openjdkjava and it has been stuck on "applying changes
[15:21] <philwong> There appears to be no X button to even cancel it
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> bigtoe376: what is this issue, not got any problems here
[15:21] <Semem_dickwang> Nugggaaazzz helpme plZzzz
[15:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: always wait for things to finish before moving on to the next step. this will save you a world of headaches (and us helping you too)
[15:22] <bigtoe376> 13.04 can't copy files reliably from any SMB mounted share using Nautilus, various lockups etc.  Seems to be pretty widespread.
[15:22] <philwong> it has been stuck there for hours, anyhow I have restarted
[15:22] <philwong> lets see what happens
[15:22] <ezra-s> philwong, also taking a look in the terminal to see what's going won't hurt
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> bigtoe376: tried a different file manager?
[15:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> bigtoe376: would you like an example of a working samba?
[15:23] <philwong> maybe my issue is hardware related
[15:23] <bigtoe376> Yes, nothing will sidestep the issue, cp, mc all fail.
[15:23] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, I would :o
[15:23] <philwong> even when restarting it stays at the ubuntu screen and does notrstart
[15:24] <philwong> I always have to manually press the power button
[15:24] <bigtoe376> I can get it to work using cifs to manually mount shares.  IT's the auto stuff served by gvfs that's at issue.
[15:24] <aiten_44> philwong: does it still hang if you force a restart using the terminal?
[15:24] <philwong> I did not use terminal
[15:25] <philwong> I used the desktop button thing
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> bigtoe376: are all the clients linux based?
[15:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> bigtoe376: my smb.conf on server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840646/ my fstab on accessing machine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840647/ Kitt3n, you may want to check them out too :p
[15:26] <andornaut> apt-get install linux-image-X failed (openvz vps, error: "failed to get canonical path of /vz/private/1XXXX"; can't upgrade past 2.6 kernels on this vps). Now I'd like to simply remove it, but apt-get remove fails; apt-get -f install fails, dpkg --remove --force-all fails... any ideas?
[15:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> andornaut: are you trying to update your kernel?
[15:26] <aiten_44> philwong: you could try sudo restart -f its not good for your computer so don't do it all the time but would tell you if its a hardware thing which I don't think it is but you never know
[15:27] <andornaut> ntzrmtthihu777: i was doing a dist-upgrade, and the kernel update came along with it. I'd like to keep my current kernel.
[15:27] <bigtoe376> ActionParsnip:  Well, I'm working with new 13.04 installs.  All other machines, older Linux, Mac, Windows are all ok.  This is apparently a documented bug, was asking if there is any light at end of tunnel for fixes to gvfs.
[15:27] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, cool! Thanks~
[15:27] <philwong> aiten_44: ok,
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> bigtoe376: what release are the Ubuntu clients?
[15:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: also, notice I have ubuntu-server instead of an ip. this only works if you have the ip & hostname added in /etc/hosts
[15:27] <philwong> I just dont get why mine is so buggy,
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> philwong: its a new OS to you, you will have teething issues
[15:28] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, okay.
[15:28] <bigtoe376> ActionParsnip:  Ubuntu 13.04 and we have another guy running 12.10
[15:28] <philwong> ActionParsnip: I tried the older ubuntus and did not encoutner it
[15:28] <cor_r> how do I turn of notifications, of people logging in, when using pidgin on xfce. (the text box notifications not the sound)
[15:28] <philwong> everything ran stable,
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> philwong: different driver versions, kernel and XOrg
[15:29] <aiten_44> philwong: the force reboot worked?
[15:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: I also have a file, ~/.smbCred, containing the lines username=right_username & password=rigth_password if you setup a no-auth setup.
[15:29] <philwong> aiten_44: I am still stuck on the "ubuntu
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> cor_r: main buddy window. Tools -> plugins
[15:29] <philwong> should I manually turn it off?
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> cor_r: look for away/part plugin
[15:30] <aiten_44> philwong: hit the escape key might bring you upto a console that should hopefully tell you what is hanging
[15:30] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, okay.
[15:30] <philwong> no, nothing
[15:30] <philwong> I am restarting manually
[15:31] <cor_r> ActionParsnip, thanks a lot :)
[15:31] <aiten_44> philwong: check your logfiles see if you have any errors during the reboot
[15:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: the first thing you gotta understand is patience. let things *finish* before moving to the next step.
[15:32] <Kitt3n> ^
[15:33] <TheUsD> Just went through the truecrypt wizzard and created a volume within a partition/drive, made it a standard truecrypt volume, chose my raid1 volume, formated it. My question is, now that it is formated as an encrypted drive, does that mean anytime I drop a file on the drive it will be encrypted?
[15:34] <aiten_44> TheUsd: yea
[15:35] <cor_r> ActionParsnip, it has been in the plugin section, the 'libnotify popup' one, was the one I was looking for though. thanks a lot though :)
[15:35] <treehau55> I feel like ever since I did the recent upgrades to pulseaudio throught he package manager, my power consumption for Intel audio and Realtek has stayed at 100%
[15:36] <blazemore> TheUsD: if you use Truecrypt to mount the encrypted volume, you'll get a new entry in the file manager sidebar; you can put files in there. The entire volume is encrypted
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> cor_r: no worries, I use pidgin myself. It rocks
[15:37] <TheUsD> Aiten_44: and this might be a redundant question but if I have that truecrypt drive shared and have a FTP program on another machine use the encrypted drive as the "home folder", when files are transfered from FTP program machine to the encrypted drive (on another machine) the files become encrypted?
[15:38] <TheUsD> or sorry, let me explain that better.
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> TheUsD: files copied to an encrypted partition will be encrypted, yes
[15:39] <aiten_44> TheUsd: doesn't matter where they come from if they end up on your encrypted drive they will be encrypted
[15:39] <TheUsD> aiten_44: If I have a windows7 box with an FTP program access the now encrypted drive that is located on a Linux box, the files will be encrypted.
[15:39] <TheUsD> Ok, outstanding! thank you all!
[15:40] <aiten_44> TheUsD: Yes they will be encrypted however you may run into an error if you start the ftp server at boot because the truecrypt volume wont be mounted
[15:40] <TheUsD> Ok, I'll look into that, thank you again!
[15:40] <klutz> I installed Ubuntu and it found the other OS partition, but it did not find the 3rd partition on this HD. Any Help?
[15:41] <Kitt3n> klutz, is there a valid operating system on your third partition?
[15:41] <auronandace> klutz: what is on the third partition? what filesystem?
[15:42] <klutz> no it is an extended partition with data only on it.
[15:42] <jeet_> hi
[15:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: also, that was my master copy of the smb.conf; it is accepted practice to name the master smb.conf.master and generate the working smb.conf with "testparm -s smb.conf.master > smb.conf" (run as sudo in /etc/samba, of course)
[15:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> !details | klutz
[15:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> klutz: and what os? grub may not detect all os's.... if its merely data grub has nothing to do with it.
[15:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> klutz: lemme guess, you want it to automount?
[15:43] <Kitt3n> Sounds like that
[15:43] <klutz> ntzrmtthihu777, I would like to see it , yes
[15:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> klutz: define "see it." you want it to mount somewhere automatically when you boot a certain os?
[15:43] <klutz> /mnt/device/sda3?
[15:43] <auronandace> !fstab | klutz
[15:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> klutz: ^, likely what you want.
[15:45] <klutz> ntzrmtthihu777, see it in a file manager so I can access the files.
[15:45] <kelly> hi guys , i'm using ubuntu 12.04 and i installed virtualbox , is it possible to mount cd and install the hp printer driver on windows 7 ? how can i do that
[15:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> klutz: then see the above post by ubottu
[15:45] <Skaag> what happened to add-apt-repository in raring?
[15:45] <Kitt3n> Skaag, nothing happened?
[15:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> kelly: yes, but you cannot use usb devices with vbox without vbox-guest-additions installed, and an expansion pack
[15:46] <Skaag> I installed python-software-properties but 'add-apt-repository' is not available...
[15:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> kelly: however, you can use the network install, assuming you have vbox networking set up properly
[15:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> Skaag: try apt-add-repository, one is a symnlink of the other.
[15:47] <Skaag> found it: apt-get install software-properties-common
[15:47] <kelly> i installed also vbox-guest-additions
[15:47] <Skaag> turns out it was moved to another package
[15:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> Skaag: I hate it when things are changed for no other reason than to change them.
[15:48] <Skaag> haha
[15:48] <imejllksdawe> hi i noticed when i ping google.com evry 20-30 ping i get ping spike 300  so does ubutnu check evry 20 sec for updateds or what does  spike my pc
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> kelly: wy not just download the laest from the hp site
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> imejllksdawe: i'd reboot your router
[15:48] <Skaag> well it sounds like they are trying to put order in things.. but now the entire world need to update their instructions for raring...
[15:48] <kelly> i don't know where is the driver download , could u help me plz to find the driver
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> kelly: www.hp.com
[15:48] <kelly> i have hp deskjet 2050a
[15:49] <kelly> i know
[15:49] <imejllksdawe> ActionParsnip:  why what hes ruter to do whit it and i did reboot him it is somthing to do whit pc
[15:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> kelly: also, if you are doing this for the sole reason of getting an hp printer running with ubuntu the hplip package works just fine for most situations.
[15:49] <aiten_44> kelly: on hps website look for drivers and support then it will ask the make and model
[15:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> imejllksdawe: what router?
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> imejllksdawe: your keyboard seems intermittent too
[15:49] <kelly> i wanna use sometimes microsoft office and i want to print from windows 7
[15:50] <imejllksdawe> newermind what network tool shows whit  program is using network badwich
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> kelly: if you put the CD in, there is a setting in virtualbox to mount the host CD drive
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> imejllksdawe: ntop
[15:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> imejllksdawe: not nevermind, I had same issue with my router and if you have the same one I know a solution.
[15:51] <drasko> hi all, I am booting ubuntu on Wandboard (i.MX6), and in the end it pauses before presenting me login screen. This pause takes long time, without any print on the console. Where to look?
[15:51] <kelly> ok another question , how can i use scanner in ubuntu ? in windows there is a program called hp scan
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> drasko: your video driver loads too slow to show plymouth, thats all
[15:51] <JoshDreamland> Why does chromium get set as the default browser EVERY TIME it updates?
[15:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> kelly: xsane, likely.
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> kelly: simple-scan is in a defafult install
[15:52] <kelly> thank you
[15:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> JoshDreamland: because that's the google way ;)
[15:52] <drasko> ActionParsnip, how can I disable video? I do not have video output, I am connected via console.
[15:52] <JoshDreamland> the canonical way should be to remove that from the package build <_<
[15:52] <drasko> Should it be done in the kernel ?
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> JoshDreamland: not noticed that but I only use chrome so its not a problem
[15:53] <JoshDreamland> it's to the point where every time it updates, I have to uninstall it long enough for firefox to become the default again
[15:53] <JoshDreamland> then I can put it back and resume my normal use
[15:54] <theadmin> JoshDreamland: You can set the default browser in System Settings -> Details -> Default Applications. I never had this problem.
[15:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> JoshDreamland: honestly if you don't like it enough to be your default I see no reason to have it. if you do please enlighten me, and maybe I can tell you how to do the same on firefox, saving you a world of hurt :P
[15:54] <theadmin> JoshDreamland: So just check that setting.
[15:54] <JoshDreamland> I don't use Unity
[15:54] <theadmin> JoshDreamland: What do you use, then?
[15:54] <kelly> thank you all , :)
[15:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> JoshDreamland: neither do i :p
[15:54] <JoshDreamland> XFCE and MATE
[15:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> xfce ftw!
[15:55] <JoshDreamland> depending on my mood; they're both intolerable :P
[15:55] <auronandace> JoshDreamland: mate is not supported here
[15:55] <theadmin> JoshDreamland: For Xfce, Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Default Applications. I have no idea about Mate, I wouldn't touch that with a stick >.<
[15:55] <Kitt3n> Linux Mint, ew.
[15:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: mate != mint
[15:55] <JoshDreamland> lol, Ubuntu purists
[15:55] <JoshDreamland> now I've seen everything
[15:55] <theadmin> Kitt3n: MATE actually started out in ArchLinux, the Mint team does contribute a lot though.
[15:56] <Kitt3n> Well, I stopped liking Linux Mint after it broke 3 installations.
[15:56] <cor_r> I didn't know ubuntu users would hate on another distro as well ^^
[15:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> JoshDreamland: technically only pure *buntu is installed here, so if you don't have it keep your lips shut :P
[15:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> s/installed/supported/
[15:56] <rizhas> hi all
[15:56] <rizhas> :)
[15:56] <Kitt3n> I am using Kubuntu because unity is ew
[15:56] <Kitt3n> Unity* :P
[15:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> cor_r: I personally don't, but this is #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-spins :P
[15:57] <JoshDreamland> I think the program "xdg-run" is part of this pure Ubuntu install, and it's what's broken :P
[15:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: I agree, which is why I use xubuntu :P
[15:57] <theadmin> Eh, guys, this isn't the place for opinions, go to #ubuntu-offtopic and rant on Unity all you want
[15:57] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, I have a good idea, install Teamviewer and launch the xubuntu terminal :D
[15:58] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, just a fair warning, that was a joke and it'll destroy your installation
[15:58] <cor_r> ntzrmtthihu777, more people to ask here though, and if its not DE specific, why not ask
[15:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: well thats not so much a xubuntu issue, as the teamviewer app *is* wine based, after all.
[15:58] <atem_> xubuntu is la ostia
[15:59] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, well, I know TV doesn't like xfce at ALL.
[15:59] <theadmin> JoshDreamland: xdg-run simply relies on your desktop's configuration. Again, in Xfce, go to Menu -> Setings -> Settings Manager -> Default Applications. I think it's under System -> Preferences in Mate, but I'm not sure.
[15:59] <JoshDreamland> thanks
[15:59] <jeebster> how can I change the default directory when switched into a new user
[16:00] <jeebster> right now one of my users default directory is /root and I have some commands running as root and they seem to fail. it's even stranger because they work in other directories but this user belongs to the admin and root groups
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> jeebster: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[16:01] <jeebster> Ubuntu 12.10 \n \l
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> jeebster: when you become a different user, you are sent to that user's home if memory serves
[16:03] <jeebster> nope I'm sent to /root as pwd
[16:03] <jeebster> this is on a vps
[16:03] <jeebster> and the file I'm trying to access is lrwxrwxrwx
[16:03] <jeebster> sudo
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> jeebster: l means a symlink
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> jeebster: vps always do some stupid stuff to their OS rather than leaving it default
[16:04] <jeebster> ha, tell me about it
[16:04] <jeebster> so It's keeping me in whatever directory I called su from as root user
[16:05] <jeebster> what's really strange is I added my user to admin and root groups but permission is still denied
[16:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kitt3n: eh, matters not. I installed gnome-terminal to replace the xfce one, and typically use tilda anyways (using irssi in it right now)
[16:05] <Kitt3n> :P
[16:06] <Erkkimon> Should I be worried? W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> Erkkimon: no, you just have a repo without a GPG key
[16:07] <bobby_> Hello, can anyone please suggest me a good version for desktop-ubuntu that supports all packages and vmware-workstation.
[16:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> Erkkimon: it happened to me once. no big deal, you can fix it with y-ppa-manager from webupd8 :P
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> Erkkimon: sudo apt-key adv --recv-key --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5
[16:07] <auronandace> !vmware | bobby_
[16:07] <kelly> guys
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> Erkkimon: the 'W:' means (w)arning
[16:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> bobby_: I know vbox doesn't like unity. not sure about vmware.
[16:08] <Erkkimon> Okay. I kinda know how to fix it but u know that nowadays after NSA gate I've become a bit paranoic. Man in the middle, u know.
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: why the tools needed are already in the OS
[16:08] <Erkkimon> Atm I'm at the network of the European Parliament, so... :D
[16:08] <bobby_> okay, thanks also a good version for ubuntu desktop say 12.04 or 12.10?
[16:08] <kelly> is it possible to turn aero effect in windows 7 inside virtualbox
[16:08] <Erkkimon> I just thought if my nightmares were true.
[16:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: *shrug* I fix things how I know how, and reccomend the same.
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> jeebster: what is the output of:  ls -l `which sudo`
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: makes sense :)
[16:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> bobby_: 12.04 is my suggestion, and the xubuntu version.
[16:09] <jeebster> ActionParsnip: /usr/bin/sudo
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> bobby_: 12.04 as it is LTS
[16:09] <bobby_> okay thnx a lot ntzrmtthihu777
[16:09] <bobby_> okay,
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> jeebster: ok and:  ls -la /usr/bin/sudo
[16:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: howewver, I am grateful I saw you tell him how to fix it via terminal, as I prefer fixing things via cli most times, and now know how :D
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> ntzrmtthihu777: cli fixes in irc makes sense
[16:10] <jeebster> ActionParsnip: same
[16:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: yep. its also best for getting info in my case, as I run irssi and can execute commands right here for you all to see :P
[16:11] <cor_r> lol
[16:11] <jacks_cool> Error: Failed to run /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk as user root.
[16:12] <ksdawbka> hi i just used iptraf and i get lag beacuse evry 20 sec it outputs 20 this  UDP (368 bytes) from 192.168.100.1:2049 to 239.255.255.250:1900 on wlan1   and 192.168.100.1 is my ruter ip so wtf is my ruter doing  like somone form outside is sending me udp requests 10 in a row on evry 20 sec?
[16:14] <Erkkimon> Hey guys, adding that signature doesn't work. Tried twice. Could there really be a man in the middle?
[16:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> Erkkimon: define doesn't work. info, man, info :P. and no.
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> jeebster: its not, it tells you the access rights and such
[16:14] <paul424> Where  I can search the packages from the current stable version ?
[16:15] <ksdawbka> how to list runing services
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> paul424: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[16:15] <ksdawbka> how to list runing services
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: ps | less
[16:15] <jacks_cool> Error: Failed to run /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk as user root.
[16:15] <Erkkimon> I commanded: erkkimon@lappy:~$ sudo apt-key adv --keyserver archive.archive.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: you dont need to multipst, we saw the first time
[16:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !patience | jacks_cool
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> jacks_cool: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[16:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> ksdawbka: !patience and the command top will.
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: or:   ps -ef | less
[16:16] <Erkkimon> Sorry, typo. I commanded the following: erkkimon@lappy:~$ sudo apt-key adv --keyserver http://us.archive.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[16:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> kdnewton: or better yet, htop (you will have to install it first, but it rocks :P)
[16:16] <Erkkimon> And got following: W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[16:17] <Jsid> can i use a standard wifi card to receive signal from a wireless camera operating on 802.11b/n/g?
[16:17]  * kdnewton scratches head, confused.
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> Erkkimon: wget https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8850924/fixpackage; chmod +x ./fixpackage; sudo ./fixpackage
[16:17] <Erkkimon> ActionParsnip: Is it about a bug?
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> Jsid: makes sense
[16:17] <jacks_> sorry I am getting disconnected again and again.
[16:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> Jsid: no reason it shouldnt'
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> Erkkimon: its just some keys outta whack
[16:18] <jacks_> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 12.10 \n \l
[16:18] <Jsid> why do they all come with their own adapters?
[16:18] <Erkkimon> ActionParsnip: K.
[16:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> kdnewton: why head scratch?
[16:18] <Erkkimon> ActionParsnip: So has that repo changed its sigkey?
[16:18] <kdnewton> ntzrmtthihu777, I didn't ask a question :D
[16:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> kdnewton: ah grap, lol. that was menat for ksdawbka
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> !bug 1033295 | jacks_
[16:19] <ksdawbka> what
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> jacks_: took me about 10 seconds to find
[16:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> ksdawbka: htop is pretty nifty for what you want. I use it alot.
[16:19] <awktion> well that's some action, parsnip.
[16:19] <philwong> I am back
[16:19] <awktion> tee hee hee
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> Jsid: you'd have to ask the manufacturers....
[16:19] <philwong> oddly freenode works after a reboot, but I still would like to make sure everything is optimal
[16:19] <ksdawbka> http://cafe.daum.net/candan/HfuT/17  i have isue whit 239.255.255.250  laging me evry 20 sec
[16:20] <cor_r> some kind of ubuntu linux wizz^^
[16:20] <Jsid> Action: aight, thanks just wondering if, in principal it should work or if open drivers would be needed
[16:20] <DylanCl> T3:
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Jsid: it depends purely on the device. There is no single answer
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Jsid: think about it
[16:21] <DylanCl> Shit. Sorry.
[16:21] <Erkkimon> Has us.archive.ubuntu.com changed its sigkey or why did I get the warning about the key?
[16:21] <jacks_> ActionParsnip, Solution?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> jacks_: read the bug
[16:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_: did you even *look* at the bug report?
[16:21] <DylanCl> Anybody here that has expierence with FFMPEG and streaming to www.twitch.tv?
[16:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> DylanCl: oh hey, weren't you the guy I recommended that python script to?
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> Jsid: its like asking "will the car take diesel or petrol?", its nonesense
[16:22] <Jsid> Action: ha, yeah, i have but my brother and i were debating it and thought we'd appeal to some people with (likely) more knowledge of the 802.11 framework
[16:22] <DylanCl> Not sure, but somebody in here made me a script but there's something wrong with it
[16:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> DylanCl: was likely me, but I did not make it, just recommended it. this was before I knew you were trying to livestream and not just recordscreen :P
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> Jsid: if it obeys th 802.11 standard, it will work with ANY wifi adapter
[16:23] <DylanCl> heh
[16:23] <hillwellwang>  what
[16:23] <Jsid> what i was thinking
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> Jsid: but some may not, so without concrete specifics you know as much as I do
[16:25] <Jsid> right on
[16:25] <ksdawbka> http://cafe.daum.net/candan/HfuT/17  i have isue whit 239.255.255.250  laging me evry 20 sec  somone help how to disable this upnp shiiit
[16:26] <jacks_> ntzrmtthihu777, ok! I read that! I saw a workaround. It prompts me to report a problem and the same error happens again.
[16:27] <jacks_> ntzrmtthihu777, I don't know what is happening. I am getting an error message every 3 minutes or so. All my applications are crashing rapidly.
[16:27] <ksdawbka>  i have isue whit 239.255.255.250  laging me evry 20 sec  somone help how to disable this upnp shiiit it gives me lag spike
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: try some details, like network controller and release, you should also get your keyboard looked at / replaced
[16:28] <ksdawbka> ActionParsnip:  why shoud i rplace my keyboard ?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: your H key is really intermittent, or you are mistyping
[16:29] <ksdawbka> hhhhh
[16:29] <jacks_> ActionParsnip, I did read that bug!
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: 'whit' ?
[16:29] <ksdawbka> whit it?
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: then write that then....
[16:29] <ezra-s> with
[16:29] <ksdawbka> hahahah
[16:29] <ksdawbka> sorry gramer
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> jacks_: gksudo /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk   does that run ok?
[16:30]  * ezra-s covers his eyes
[16:30] <jacks_> ActionParsnip, that doesn't gives any output
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: you don't look cool or sound 'ghetto' you sound like some dumb kid, grow up and type properly so others can advise. You are not charged per letter here as I am showing with this long sentance
[16:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: heh, chill out, not everyone can type perfectly by touch ;)
[16:31] <jacks_> ActionParsnip, I am getting error every now and them. It is showing ubuntu has experienced some Internal error. When I report it I get that bug error!
[16:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> jacks_: what error is it trying to report?
[16:32] <ksdawbka> omg engish isent my nativ languge so you grow up and learn my native languge  or stop whining beacuse i am not pro english
[16:32]  * cor_r grabs some popcorn
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: there are multiple language channels, they can type in your native language
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> jacks_: if you want to report a bug, run:  ubuntu-bug packagename     does it start the process?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> jacks_: seems to be a few instances of this issue online
[16:35] <jacks_> ActionParsnip,  I will format it today itslef. I am tired of Wubi installation. I will backup my data and then install a new fresh version
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> jacks_: you could try setting the sticky bit on the app, may help. You could always unset it if it is no good
[16:35] <ksdawbka> if somone ask it just to know it hest to do whit qbittorrent using upnp so if you turn it down off no lag
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> jacks_: oh man wubi is a mess
[16:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> ActionParsnip: yep.
[16:36] <jacks_> ActionParsnip, Yeah It is. I got some good suggestions from IRC and I will implement that. :)
[16:36] <ksdawbka> arch linux is bether then ubuntu
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: http://www.techsupportalert.com/optimizing-qbittorrent-speed
[16:36] <brontosaurusrex> !sr ksdawbka
[16:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> brontosaurusrex: forgot the pipe
[16:36] <brontosaurusrex> !sr | ksdawbka
[16:36] <ksdawbka> i solwed my problem
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qbittorrent/+bug/657745   shows how you can edit the config file directly
[16:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> ksdawbka: you are free to have your opinion, but this is an ubuntu support channel, and it is unwise to badmouth the os you are looking for help on. I'm on your side in this, btw.
[16:37] <irreverant> You know someone else mentioned arch linux to me
[16:37] <irreverant> i'm gong to try it out and install in in my vm box
[16:37] <ksdawbka> arch linux is bether then ubuntu i sed thet just for troling and i told you i solw  my problem
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> irreverant: its a fun experience :)
[16:38] <cor_r> he could just use arch then.
[16:38] <ksdawbka> gb and gl
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> ksdawbka: glad you got the gold
[16:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> irreverant: its not for people afraid of command line, thats for sure ;)
[16:38] <brontosaurusrex> irreverant, arch is pure user-friendly experience, really cute.
[16:38] <DJones> ksdawbka: Well, don't troll, its not appreciated in this channel
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> anyway, its half 5 so home time
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> boom
[16:39] <cor_r> AM or PM?
[16:39] <irreverant> Well trolling or not, I'm going to check it out.
[16:39] <bazhang> !ot
[16:42] <delinquentme> Question for the sysadmins ... if you were deploying a rails application in a production environment on ubuntu ... where would you place the code REPO ... and where would the working files being served out be placed ... ?
[16:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> and so it dies.
[16:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> delinquentme: more of a question for #ruby
[16:43] <delinquentme> but it can apply to any application
[16:43] <delinquentme> where would the files go
[16:43] <delinquentme> /usr/local/application_name ?
[16:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> delinquentme: but, on my own personal opinion, rvm would be best way to manage your rubies.
[16:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> delinquentme: I suppose, with the script that starts it somewhere in $PATH
[16:44] <ezra-s> delinquentme, source usually goes in /usr/src or /usr/local/src
[16:44] <delinquentme> ntzrmtthihu777, sorry this isn't about gems.  This is a file placement question which is pretty devoid IMO from what ruby or rails has to do with it
[16:44] <Pici> delinquentme: /opt/ is a common place to put things that aren't managed by a package repositories as well.
[16:44] <ezra-s> delinquentme, binaries would probably go in /usr/local/share/applications/application
[16:44] <xibalba> hey all, i've got a buddy w/a box he uses for ruby dev work. it has 8GB of RAM, but only 404MB of Swap. For some reason his swap fills up all the way even though his ram still has 6 gigs free, any thoughts on why?
[16:45] <delinquentme> Pici, what does opt stand for?
[16:45] <xibalba> delinquentme, optional
[16:45] <Pici> delinquentme: optional
[16:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> ezra-s: actually thats mainly *.desktop files go.
[16:45] <ezra-s> delinquentme, I would also make sure permissions are perfect for production environment
[16:45] <ezra-s> ntzrmtthihu777, some people use /opt for specific 3rd party apps
[16:45] <ezra-s> I mean..
[16:45] <ezra-s> delinquentme, some people use /opt for specific 3rd party apps
[16:45] <brontosaurusrex> xibalba, there is a swapiness variable in existance
[16:45] <ezra-s> ntzrmtthihu777, thx
[16:45] <hello> hrlp
[16:46] <Chadman> Sup guys.
[16:46] <Chadman> It's Chadman.
[16:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: something is really wrong there. I only have 4gb of ram, 8gb of swap, and swap is almost never touched.
[16:46] <Chadman> and I have something good for ya'll.
[16:46] <xibalba> brontosaurusrex, hmmm more detail?
[16:46] <Chadman> Ubuntu Theme Song!
[16:46] <Chadman> xibalba, shut the fuck up for a minute.
[16:46] <hello> i need help
[16:46] <Chadman> guys.
[16:46] <Chadman> I have something
[16:46] <FloodBot1> Chadman: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:46] <bazhang> !backtrack | Chadman
[16:46] <brontosaurusrex> xibalba, i'd have to google
[16:46] <Chadman> Ubuntu Theme Song!
[16:46] <xibalba> Chadman, excuse me?
[16:46] <Ari-Yang> stuff that you compiled yourself, the bins I think are placed in /usr/local/bin
[16:46] <hello> guys
[16:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> !feedthetroll | xibalba
[16:47] <xibalba> this channel is out of control and borderlines uselessness
[16:47] <jacks_> there is a backup.tgz file present in FileSystem.
[16:47] <xibalba> lame
[16:48] <brontosaurusrex> xibalba, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F
[16:48] <xibalba> so granted 404MB of swap is Tiny and incorrect, though with 6GB free not sure how swap fills up
[16:48] <xibalba> brontosaurusrex, thanks this looks helpful
[16:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: how did you know they were on backtrack, may I ask? or were they in here before?
[16:48] <DJones> ntzrmtthihu777: They were here earlier
[16:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: should match swap to ram if you want to hybernate, as a pro tip ;)
[16:49] <xibalba> brontosaurusrex, swapiness will still be introduced even w/so much RAM available?
[16:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> DJones: ah, gotcha.
[16:49] <xibalba> ntzrmtthihu777, i'm well aware. my buddy is a dev not a sys admin. I was going to make a swap file and attach it for him but its so dirty
[16:49] <ezra-s> xibalba, with 6gigabytes of RAM I doubt you will need swap at all unless you run many heavy mem usage processes
[16:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: kk, just trying to be helpful :P
[16:50] <xibalba> ezra-s, agreed so i'm not sure why its hitting 100% swap
[16:50] <brontosaurusrex> xibalba, i'd do the swap file and change swapiness to 0
[16:51] <ezra-s> xibalba, a misconfigured swappineness value could be the cause
[16:51] <xibalba> ok i will check
[16:51] <ezra-s> if you have nothing eating all your mem that is
[16:51] <Pici> xibalba: The kernel is smart, if things don't need to be used immediately it will put them in swap even if there is remaining ram available.  But as stated, the swappiness value can help try to move more stuff in to ram. You may want to look at http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ as well.
[16:51] <xibalba> check this out from top
[16:52] <xibalba> Mem:   8175184k total,   803252k used,  7371932k free,    31328k buffers
[16:52] <xibalba> Swap:   414716k total,   413800k used,      916k free,   103752k cached
[16:52] <xibalba> makes little sense
[16:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> DJones: is there a way I can prevent that chad fella from pming me ever?
[16:52] <xibalba> swapiness is @ 60
[16:52] <DJones> ntzrmtthihu777: /ignore nick (I think)
[16:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: ick. mine is 10. I forget how I set it, however.
[16:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> DJones: I mean via IP like that ban.
[16:53] <xibalba> i'm adjusting it via sysctl now
[16:53] <xibalba> sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=10
[16:53] <ezra-s> ntzrmtthihu777, use the /ignore command
[16:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: but that change is not persistent. you have to add it to some file or another, forget which.
[16:53] <DJones> no idea about that, maybe a question for #freenode if /ignore doesn't work
[16:53] <xibalba> ntzrmtthihu777, i am aware :)
[16:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> DJones: kk.
[16:54] <Pici> ntzrmtthihu777: ignore is a client command, check your client's help, likely via /help ignore
[16:55] <brontosaurusrex> ntzrmtthihu777, /help ignore
[16:55] <ezra-s> ^^
[16:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> ezra-s: spying on me? :P
[16:55] <ezra-s> ntzrmtthihu777, no, trying to be helpful
[16:55] <ezra-s> ntzrmtthihu777, do as brontosaurusrex say, try /help ignore
[16:56] <brontosaurusrex> should be like /ignore nick PRIV < for my client
[16:56] <ezra-s> ctcp version cant be called spying at all
[16:56] <ezra-s> in xchat you can ignore by mask with many options
[16:56] <ezra-s> I don't know if irssi is the same
[16:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> ezra-s: lol, I'm just joking on the spying bit :P
[16:57] <ezra-s> ntzrmtthihu777, hehehe I know I know, but just in case... :D
[16:57] <llutz> ntzrmtthihu777: easier to block all pms in irssi, except some you really want: http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/whitelist.pl
[16:58] <cor_r> ntzrmtthihu777, http://irssi.org/documentation/manual 10.1 ?!
[16:58] <vmachine1> anyone has a list of ports needed to be open on firewall for likewise open to work. ihave udp/tcp 88,389,123,445,464,137 but im still having issues connecting
[16:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> llutz: ah, thanks. I got it setup now, /help ignore got me set.
[17:00] <xibalba> I'm still not sure how to explain how swap fills up w/so much free Ram
[17:00] <xibalba> swappiness aside
[17:00] <SlowLight> anyone is using a reliable DVB-S player on Ubuntu? with all features "Channel Scan+signal strength + A/V...."
[17:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: if hes a dev maybe something hes working on has a memory leak?
[17:00] <xibalba> likely, he's using Ruby and maybe not giving ample GC time
[17:00] <philwong> is bumblebee only for laptops? I just installed it on my desktop and the resolution is now smaller and out of alligment
[17:01] <holstein> philwong: bumblbee is for certain hardware, and is available via PPA
[17:01] <holstein> !ppa | philwong
[17:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: bubmble be is for that particular card set, regardless of whether its a laptop or a desktop.
[17:02] <holstein> dual GPU hardware... no matter where it is
[17:02] <philwong> ya I have an nvidia gtx560 and someone here told me to install it
[17:02] <holstein> philwong: let me be the first to suggest *not* installing it, then
[17:02] <adamk> philwong: bumblebee is for computers with optimus technology from nvidia.  I'm not aware of any desktops with this tech, though there might be some.
[17:02] <silv3r_m00n> with apt-get or aptitude how to check which repository is providing a certain package ?
[17:03] <silv3r_m00n> apt-cache info wine shows information about wine, but not, which repository it comes from
[17:03] <cortexman1> I am running a Lucid VM and I have put `export LD_LIBRARY_FLAGS=/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib:/lib` in ~/.bashrc. upon launching gnome-terminal my LD_LIBRARY_FLAGS variable is empty. even after a manual `source ~/.bashrc'` it is empty
[17:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> silv3r_m00n: not sure, but synaptic can do it.
[17:03] <philwong> actionparsons told me to instal it
[17:03] <llutz> silv3r_m00n: apt-cache policy packagename
[17:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> !eol | cor_r
[17:03] <philwong> so I assumed it was the right thing
[17:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> !eol | cortexman1
[17:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> cor_r: sorry, wrong nic :P
[17:04] <cortexman1> I found a typo in my code
[17:04] <cortexman1> ntzrmtthihu777 you are not being helpful.
[17:04] <bazhang> wine (source: wine1.4): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.1-0ubuntu5 (raring), package size 0 kB, installed size 21 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)   silv3r_m00n
[17:04] <silv3r_m00n> llutz: perfect, thanks
[17:04] <silv3r_m00n> bazhang: what do i do with that, i know that
[17:04] <holstein> philwong: "right" is a matter of opinion.. bumblebee is from an unsupported PPA
[17:04] <cor_r> ntzrmtthihu777, I guessed so
[17:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> cortexman1: not supposed to, lucid is dead to #ubuntu
[17:04] <bazhang> silv3r_m00n, you could just ask the bot
[17:04] <cortexman1> no, it's not. this is an unofficial irc channel, not canonical.
[17:04] <philwong> ok understaood
[17:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> cortexman1: can you not read the /topic? Official Ubuntu Support Channel.
[17:05] <adamk> philwong: And regardless of whether bumblebee is supported or not, unless you have an onboard intel GPU as well as the nvidia, it was the wrong advice, period.
[17:05] <xibalba> ntzrmtthihu777, wow you can turn off swap on a live system now? and it commits it back to memory?
[17:05] <xibalba> sickies
[17:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> cortexman1: now, maybe ubuntu-offtopic may have some folk willing to help :P
[17:06] <philwong> yes I do have a onboard intel cpu
[17:06] <philwong> sorry, gpu
[17:06] <cortexman1> whatever, it's not offtopic.
[17:07] <bazhang> cortexman1, what version of ubuntu
[17:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: *shrug* idk, why you tell me/ask me that? i don't recal saying anything to that effect :P
[17:07] <philwong> anyway, I have uninstalled it
[17:07] <xibalba> ntzrmtthihu777, you pointed me to the swap faq
[17:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> cortexman1: as the topic here is supported versions of ubuntu and lucid is eol, it *is* offtopic.
[17:07] <philwong> brb
[17:07] <xibalba> ntzrmtthihu777, didn't use to be possible back in the day
[17:07]  * xibalba is old BSD folk
[17:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> xibalba: actually someone else did :P
[17:07] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | cortexman1
[17:08] <Corey> !oneiric
[17:08] <cortexman1> Lucid is supported until April 2015.
[17:08] <Corey> cortexman1: Well aware. :-)
[17:09] <auronandace> cortexman1: on server only
[17:09] <cortexman1> ..your point being.
[17:09] <Anne___> hello
[17:09] <Anne___> I'm looking for help
[17:10] <auronandace> cortexman1: if you are running a desktop on top of it it is not supported here
[17:10] <cor_r> ntzrmtthihu777, do it
[17:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> cortexman1: that if you are not using lucid-server its eol, and you're still offtopic as lucid-server would be best supported in ubuntu-server.
[17:10] <holstein> Anne: should just start the first in the list, automatically.. unless you have changed it
[17:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> cor_r: do what?
[17:10] <holstein> !grub > Anne___
[17:10] <philwong> Darn, when I go to "display", it still shows its a "laptop" display
[17:10] <cor_r> ntzrmtthihu777, normally ur so quick on the !ask bot ^^
[17:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> cor_r: lol.
[17:10] <cortexman1> there are still plausible reasons to use lucid, and it is still supported. therefore, you guys should stop making comments about it unless it appears that upgrading is relevant to answering the question.
[17:11] <Anne___> holstein!
[17:11] <Anne___> I'm pink!
[17:11] <cortexman1> epecially, if you don't think the version of ubuntu is relevant to answering the question, you shouldn't even comment on it.
[17:11] <adamk> philwong: The name of the display isn't that important if everything else is working...  Is everything working fine otherwise?
[17:11] <Anne___> the nick was busy
[17:11] <auronandace> cortexman1: are you running it as a desktop system with a gui? if so then it is not supported here
[17:11] <philwong> no, the display is not
[17:11] <holstein> Anne___: i dont know what that means
[17:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> cortexman1: lucid. is. not. supported. here. If you're using ubuntu server it still is, so ask in ubuntu-server if you are.
[17:11] <awktion> my god
[17:11] <philwong> the resolution is messed and this only happened after installing bumblebee
[17:12] <awktion> this channel IS appropriate to discuss ANY version.
[17:12] <Anne___> you helped me yesterday
[17:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> awktion: no, it isnt.
[17:12] <philwong> I uninstalled it and rebooted still resolution is the same
[17:12] <awktion> ntzrmtthihu777: sorry bud but if its in production its an #ubuntu issue
[17:12] <adamk> philwong: Install pastebinit and run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[17:12] <cortexman1> awktion, these folks lack common sense
[17:12] <cortexman1> they are basically trolling me
[17:12] <philwong> ok
[17:12] <cortexman1> i could have just lied about my ubuntu version and got a suitable answer to my question
[17:12] <cortexman1> they are just being jerks
[17:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> cortexman1: rather, the reverse is true, and you're likely gonna get booted :p
[17:13] <cortexman1> whatev. you are resorting to threatening to boot me because you can't respond logically to my very reasonable argument.
[17:13] <awktion> rather cortexman1 is correct and #ubuntu is going astray.
[17:13] <philwong> E: Invalid operation pastebinit
[17:14] <awktion> Show me where in the ubuntu guidelines only the latest supported version is allowed in discussion.
[17:14]  * awktion waits.
[17:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> philwong: he said install pastebinit. you must not have done that.
[17:14] <bazhang> awktion, /topic
[17:14] <auronandace> !topic | awktion
[17:14] <philwong> yes I am trying
[17:14] <philwong> apt-get install pastebinit
[17:14] <silv3r_m00n> i install wine from synaptic, is there something that i can run quickly to check if its installed ?
[17:14] <awktion> that's current supported versions that get updates on the repos
[17:14] <silv3r_m00n> like some notepad application or something
[17:15] <awktion> that says NOTHING about if its an appropriate topic
[17:15] <bazhang> awktion, correct. supported
[17:15] <awktion> and, as long as installations exist, this is the correct place..
[17:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> silv3r_m00n: yes, wine comes with notepad by default :P
[17:15] <awktion> imagine if you could not get anyone in #debian to talk about sarge
[17:15] <bazhang> awktion, not supported means off topic here
[17:15] <awktion> bazhang: no sir, you've got a real issue.
[17:15] <silv3r_m00n> ntzrmtthihu777: where is it located ?
[17:16] <brontosaurusrex> silv3r_m00n, which wine or apt-cache policy wine
[17:16] <cortexman1> I agree with awktion. if there are still repos available, this is the correct place to get help. besides, where besides here is there a room full of people who have experience with aging versions of ubuntu. this is the correct place.
[17:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> silv3r_m00n: what de are you using?
[17:16] <bazhang> cortexman1, are you using server or desktop
[17:16] <auronandace> awktion: if someone is using an unsupported version they must upgrade or they won't get any support here
[17:16] <silv3r_m00n> ntzrmtthihu777: XFCE
[17:16] <philwong> adamk: which would you like me to pastebin?
[17:16] <bazhang> auronandace, lets move on
[17:16] <silv3r_m00n> cant see any menu entry for wine
[17:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> auronandace: awktion is not present any more.
[17:16] <cortexman1> listen to this: you should only be asking folks about their version if it appears to be relevant to the question.
[17:16] <silv3r_m00n> bazhang: running wine command just pops a dialog with some information and close button
[17:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> silv3r_m00n: hmm, mine has it, before I removed it.
[17:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> silv3r_m00n: easy way to check is browse to ~/.wine ;)
[17:17] <bazhang> cortexman1, if you wish troubleshooting help, certain questions need to be answered. thats a basic of irc help
[17:17] <auronandace> cortexman1: what version you are running is relevant to whether or not you get support
[17:17] <cor_r> silv3r_m00n, u gotta add the mnu entry manually
[17:17] <silv3r_m00n> ntzrmtthihu777: no such directory
[17:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> cor_r: not so. I got one, even though I did not ask for it :P
[17:18] <silv3r_m00n> even i remember a notepad is installed with wine, but where is it so that i can run
[17:18] <cor_r> ntzrmtthihu777, for me the other way around :P
[17:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> silv3r_m00n: somewhere in .wine's c: drive.
[17:19] <brontosaurusrex> ntzrmtthihu777, you are either trolling or giving wrong answers , in either case stop.
[17:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> brontosaurusrex: neither, actually. just telling it like it is.
[17:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> silv3r_m00n: issue "wine notepad" in a terminal, should do the trick.
[17:20] <robrocks> hii
[17:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> brontosaurusrex: I never troll here, and I do my damnedest to give correct and helpful answers.
[17:20] <wilee-nilee> lol
[17:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> brontosaurusrex: doesn't mean I'm always write, but I *never* deliberatly give wrong or harmful answers.
[17:21] <xentity1x> Hi I'm trying to write a plugin for geany and I have a c++ question. Anyone know a good channel to ask that in?
[17:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> s/write/right/
[17:21] <robrocks> i need some info about ddrescue
[17:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> xentity1x: #c++, perhaps?
[17:21] <xentity1x> they told me not to ask questions there
[17:21] <robrocks> the drive is getting detected as sdb but no partition and capacity read error, can i still get the data with ddrescue?
[17:21] <xentity1x> they said c++-general
[17:22] <xentity1x> but that's apparently dead
[17:22] <breakersall> Anyone have problems before with cmake? I'm getting this error when trying to use it lately: -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- broken
[17:22] <wilee-nilee> robrocks, For?
[17:22] <brontosaurusrex> ntzrmtthihu777, "doesn't mean I'm always write" < nice one :)
[17:22] <robrocks> i need the data
[17:22] <breakersall> i have build-essential installed, and it is in my path
[17:22] <robrocks> its for a customer
[17:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> xentity1x: ah. then perhaos I can help you personally, because this is not a c++ dev channel :P
[17:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> brontosaurusrex: yeah I know :P, but I corrected myself XD
[17:22] <wilee-nilee> robrocks, Can you give a more vague answer?
[17:23] <xentity1x> should i pm you?
[17:23] <robrocks> i want to clone the drive with ddrescue
[17:23] <robrocks> the drive just failed out of nothing, no physical damage
[17:23] <wilee-nilee> !dd
[17:23] <robrocks> seagate drives you know
[17:23] <MonkeyDust> wilee-nilee  irony confuses the user, please don't
[17:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> robrocks: all drives fail eventually. law of the universe, thermodynamics and all.
[17:24] <philwong> ANy ideas what I can do to fix my resolution?
[17:24] <wilee-nilee> robrocks, here is the man the channel can help. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/dd.1.html
[17:24] <philwong> I installed bumble bee and it happened, but I then uninstalled
[17:24] <adamk> philwong: Did you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file like I asked?
[17:24] <robrocks> i know the dd command
[17:24] <wilee-nilee> MonkeyDust, I don't do it all the time, you are just projecting, you do not know what that user thins.
[17:24] <wilee-nilee> thinks
[17:25] <robrocks> ive been recovering data with ddrescue and dd for long
[17:25] <robrocks> but this capacity error i was never able to get it
[17:25] <philwong> adamk: I am afraid I dont know teh command to show the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:25] <adamk> philwong: Install pastebinit and then run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[17:26] <robrocks> my privat drives never used to fail
[17:26] <adamk> robrocks: If the drive shows up as sdb, you might be able to create an image of sdb.  But if sdb has no partition table, the image isn't going to have one either.
[17:27] <robrocks> i will use r studio or photorec to get the data out after cloning
[17:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> robrocks: photorec +1 ^^
[17:27] <robrocks> :)
[17:28] <philwong> adamk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840976/
[17:29] <adamk> philwong: You don't appear to have the nvidia driver installed.
[17:29] <philwong> oh!
[17:30] <philwong> I figured ubuntu had drivers for it
[17:30] <Ari-Yang> did you go to additional drivers tab of software sources, philwong?
[17:30] <adamk> philwong: It has them packaged in the repos, but you have to install them.
[17:30] <treehau55> for 12.04, do you recommend Jupiter or TLP?
[17:31] <auronandace> treehau55: neither are supported here
[17:32] <treehau55> auronandace, why not?
[17:32] <philwong> when I go to additional drivers it has a tick beside "using nvidia binary xorg driver, kernal.."
[17:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: heh, awktion is threatening a ddos against freenode now.
[17:32] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, lets move on please
[17:32] <treehau55> ive literally tried everything to get my power consumption down on 12.04
[17:32] <philwong> are you sure there is no driver installed adamk
[17:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: done. just thought you should hear of it.
[17:33] <adamk> philwong: Your Xorg log file shows that it's can't find the nvidia driver, and it's loading the Xorg GLX module, not the nvidia one.  So the nvidia driver is either not installed at all, or not installed properly.
[17:33] <auronandace> treehau55: sorry, when you said jupiter i was thinking of something else
[17:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> auronandace: my curiosity is piqued. what could jupiter mean in this context?
[17:34] <philwong> adamk: where can I get the right one?
[17:34] <adamk> philwong: Normally I'd say the additional drivers program :-)  Try unchecking the driver, and then installing it that way again.
[17:35] <auronandace> ntzrmtthihu777: i was thinking of a ubuntu derivative (none of which are supported here)
[17:35] <mememememe> Hi dudes!
[17:35] <mememememe> I'm noob
[17:35] <philwong> there appears to be 5 drivers
[17:35] <mememememe> How to add Adobe Flash Player into Mozilla?
[17:35] <philwong> it says "its using an alternate"
[17:35] <mememememe> I was Windows user
[17:35] <auronandace> !flash | mememememe
[17:35] <mememememe> But Linux such interestet
[17:35] <rypervenche> mememememe: Welcome to Linux :)
[17:36] <mememememe> Thanks
[17:36] <Mongoose> mememememe: I'm noob too.  Hi. :-)
[17:36] <mememememe> Ryper
[17:36] <mememememe> thanks
[17:36] <tgm4883> !enter | mememememe
[17:36] <mememememe> Sorry guys, need to install
[17:36] <mememememe> ok
[17:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> auronandace: ah. jupiter I had never heard of.
[17:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: easy. sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> done.
[17:39] <cor_r> mememememe, in the terminal
[17:39] <mememememe> Thank you guys
[17:39] <mememememe> I installed)
[17:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: yeah, wht cor_r said.
[17:40] <mememememe> I have another question
[17:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ask | mememememe
[17:40] <cor_r> ntzrmtthihu777, lolled pretty hard ^^
[17:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> cor_r: that was just for you ;)
[17:41] <mememememe> ubottu - sorry, i understood. So, now i have another trouble - when i started PC i have choice between two systems. How i can hide Windows 7?)
[17:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: but seriously, just ask. you'll likly get the FloodBots irked if you talk this way.
[17:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: do you wish to remove win7 or just autostart ubuntu?
[17:42] <mememememe> ntz - autostart
[17:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: when you have to chose, which option is ubuntu?
[17:42] <mememememe> ntz - second
[17:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: this may be of use to you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StartUpManager
[17:44] <auronandace> mememememe: is this a wubi install?
[17:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> auronandace: dear god, why did you have to remind me of that =_=
[17:45] <rypervenche> lmao
[17:45] <mememememe> auron - secret))))
[17:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: ignore that link.
[17:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: and nothing is secret, you can't expect us to help if you don't give us all the info
[17:46] <theazman> Hey all, quick question. On server 12.04, how do I give a domain account local logon rights?
[17:46] <mememememe> ntz - xface
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> theazman  better ask in #ubuntu-server
[17:46] <auronandace> mememememe: if you are using wubi it makes a big difference to how we can support you
[17:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: its like keeping secrets from your doctor, really not smart, and will likely cause things to get worse.
[17:46] <theazman> MonkeyDust, thanks, just guessed as to the channel
[17:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: and we don't mean what desktop, we mean is it a full install from a live cd or did you install it from inside of windows.
[17:47] <mememememe> just xface
[17:47] <mememememe> From inside of windows
[17:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: .... that means wubi. in which case what you want to do is impossible.
[17:47] <mememememe> Fuck(
[17:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> or at lest hugely impractical.
[17:48] <mememememe> Can i buy CD with Linux in Malls?
[17:48] <holstein> !language > mememememe
[17:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> mememememe: no need to, its free. you can download the iso and burn it to disc, just fine.
[17:49] <mememememe> ntz - thanks
[17:49] <mememememe> Bb dudes
[17:49] <mememememe> See ya!)
[17:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> wubi needs to die.
[17:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> total purge from ubuntu's servers, plus a virus that seeks it out, migrates a wubi install to a full install, and purges it XD
[17:51] <ntzrmtthihu777>  </ot> sorry.
[17:52] <irreverant> What is so bad about WUBI?
[17:52] <Mongoose> What is a wubi install, apart from unpopular?
[17:52] <xok> hello all...
[17:53] <xok> guys, I am trying to view the logs for postfix...
[17:53] <wilee-nilee> !wubi | Mongoose
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> Mongoose  something to forget
[17:53] <xok> the file /var/log/mail.log exists but contains 0 bytes...
[17:53] <Mongoose> Thanks!
[17:53] <xok> where did it go?.. :-D
[17:53] <irreverant> Wait that'ss right UEFI issues right?
[17:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> irreverant: 1. it consumes the same amount of hdd space anyways, so you may as well do a full install. 2. it makes support here a pita. 3. it renders the install vulnerable to windows fragmentation, something a linux user should never have to worry about.
[17:54] <xok> does anyone know where are logs for Postfix in ubuntu?..
[17:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> xok: sudo updatedb && locate log | grep postfix may help you :D
[17:54] <llutz> xok: /var/log/mail.* by default
[17:55] <wilee-nilee> irreverant, It is a file in windows, not in its own partition with a correct partitioning schema to start with. The designer themselves said it was not for longterm use but a try out for a regular install.
[17:55] <xok> ntzrmtthihu777: it does not (I did locate postfix | grep log though ) :-D
[17:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> xok: :P
[17:55] <xok> llutz: that was the first I looked, the files contain 0 bytes...
[17:55] <llutz> xok: then check your main.cf and rsyslog.conf
[17:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> wilee-nilee: yeah, but honestly a live cd is better for test, right?
[17:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> for that matter it reminds me heavily of the puppy linux frugal install....
[17:58] <afiefh> Hello, I just connected my Kubuntu PC to the TV, but I'm not getting any audio over the hdmi connection, manually setting the output device for aplay (aplay -D plughw:0,8 file.wav) does produce a sound though
[17:59] <adamk> afiefh: Does it produce the right sound?
[17:59] <afief> adamk: yes
[18:00] <holstein> afief: i would just use an analog audio connection.. use pavucontrol and test the internal audio and use it..
[18:00] <noiro> hmmmmm, I wonder if sublime text would be a good investment..
[18:00] <adamk> afief: So you are getting audio over the HDMI connection after all...  Select that as defualt sound device for pulseaudio.
[18:00] <afief> adamk: how do I do that?
[18:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> noiro: not sure whether to interpret you nick as orion backwards or as no iro, no color :/
[18:00] <adamk> afief: As holstein said, use pavucontrol.
[18:01] <holstein> afief: install pavucontrol, and run it when the audio is playing
[18:01] <noiro> ntzrmtthihu777, whichever you prefer.
[18:02] <prashant_123456> cannot install ubuntu 12.04 lts piix4_smbus 0000.00.07.0: SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade bios or use force_addr=0xaddr
[18:02] <noiro> If you want to play it fun, you could interpret Orion to mean Hunter and by being backwards, just say it is an easy way to say "Backwards Hunter"
[18:02] <xok> I don't understand where do these logs go...
[18:02] <wilee-nilee> prashant_123456, This a virtual?
[18:02] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: yes its on virtualmachine
[18:03] <xok> does ubuntu use logs for postfix at all?..
[18:03] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: any idea
[18:03] <wilee-nilee> prashant_123456, I see similar errors in vbox but after a pause it boots to the dektop.
[18:04] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: yes but the installation is very very slow
[18:04] <afief> adamk, holstein: pavucontrol only shows analogue output and headphones under output devices
[18:04] <wilee-nilee> prashant_123456, I have yet to see ubuntu run at all well in a virtual compared to a standard install.
[18:05] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: using hp laptop
[18:05] <wilee-nilee> okay
[18:05] <holstein> afief: i would just use that, and enjoy the show.. otherwise, troubleshooting you issue can be complex, and not that rewarding
[18:05] <llutz> xok: "grep mail /etc/rsyslog.conf"  "grep -ri postfix /var/log/"
[18:05] <zipy> how can i look up how much ram a program uses in ubuntu server ?
[18:05] <holstein> !info free
[18:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> zipy: top & htop
[18:05] <HisaoNakai> zipy - top?
[18:05] <adamk> holstein: Does the HDMI audio show up under the "Configuration" tab?
[18:05] <adamk> D'oh, wrong person.
[18:06] <uadasd7> sound suddenly does not work
[18:06] <afief> holstein: but my tv doesn't have a 3.5mm audio input
[18:06] <xok> llutz: grepping mail doesn't print anything...
[18:06] <luke1_> !info extremetuxracer
[18:06] <uadasd7> tried rebooting, no help
[18:06] <adamk> afief: Does the HDMI audio show up under the "Configuration" tab?
[18:06] <HisaoNakai> !info vegastrike
[18:06] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: can u help
[18:06] <afief> adamk: nope, I only see built-in audio
[18:06] <zipy> whats the difference between top and htop
[18:06] <HisaoNakai> !info warsow
[18:06] <holstein> adamk: well, either way, im not sure.. i just use the analog audio on the one machine i have with HDMI, because i realize the manufacturer officially supports windows, not linux
[18:07] <xok> llutz: grepping postfix recursively shows only dpkg logs (the moment when postfix was installed)...
[18:07] <wilee-nilee> prashant_123456, Not really there is #vbox if no one here can and it is virtualbox.
[18:07] <luke1_> !info
[18:07] <uadasd7> can someone please help, my sound suddenly stopped working
[18:07] <zipy> k seems htop is another aplication
[18:07] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: thanks
[18:07] <afief> holstein: in this case it's an Intel HD4000, and aplay was able to play the sound when pointed to the correct device
[18:07] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[18:07] <nuevo> hola?
[18:08] <llutz> xok: then you'll need to setup your rsyslog.conf for the mail-facility (whyever it isn't by default)
[18:08] <holstein> afief: sure.. i still suggest just using what works.. HDMI can be difficult, and you really get nothing from it, other than digital audio
[18:08] <adamk> afief: an you try restarting pulseaudio?
[18:08] <xok> llutz: I am not sure how to do that, can you help a bit?...
[18:09] <afief> adamk: a few times, I read in the arch wiki about inserting a line in pulse's config file, and on the ubuntu wiki about asound.conf, but neither worked
[18:09] <afief> holstein: in this case I have no choice :-(
[18:09] <michagogo> Is there a way, in raring, to play an audio alert from the command line? I tried sudo apt-get install beep
[18:09] <michagogo> But then `beep` doesn't do anything
[18:09] <holstein> afief: you do.. get a different cable and connect it.. i would already be through the credits on the film :)
[18:10] <llutz> xok: this is a default config for rsyslog mail facility: https://gist.github.com/llutz/5921153
[18:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> michagogo: yeah, something like "do this command; mplayer beep.wav" will do the trick :P
[18:10] <afief> holstein: as I said, my TV doesn't have a 3.5mm input
[18:10] <llutz> xok: it's from debian, but should be the same for ubuntus rsyslog
[18:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> michagogo: in fact, you can make an alias in your ~/.bashrc for it.
[18:11] <michagogo> ntzrmtthihu777: `sudo apt-get install mplayer`?
[18:11] <uadasd7> I think I lost my sound drivers
[18:11] <holstein> afief: i would literally go buy some speakers before i would try and tackle that HDMI audio issue.. as i said, the hardware is not designed, nor intended to support linux
[18:11] <uadasd7> because everything was working, but suddenly the sound stopped
[18:11] <michagogo> Also, is it mplayer or mplayer2? what's the difference
[18:11] <michagogo> ?
[18:11] <xok> llutz: what if I put these lines in the /etc/rsyslog.conf file (at the end)?..
[18:11] <xok> llutz: should it work?..
[18:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> michagogo: or if you want to get really creative "command && mplayer goodbeep.wav || mplayer badbeep.wav"
[18:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> michagogo: sudo apt-get install mplayer will get what you need :P
[18:12] <holstein> afief: getting the hdmi device showing in pulseaudio would be a great first step... i would also try live CD's, and make a note of kernel versions and alsa version is something works "automagically"
[18:12] <michagogo> ntzrmtthihu777: What's mplayer2, though?
[18:12] <adamk> afief: If the audio device is working fine with play, but pulseaudio isn't detecting it, I'd ask in #pulseaudio.
[18:12] <llutz> xok: yes, if the file doesn't contain any "mail.*" statements before
[18:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> assuming beep.wav, badbeep.wav, and goodbeep.wav do exist.
[18:12] <adamk> afief: Assuming they actually have a channel.
[18:12] <afief> adamk: thanks, I'll do that
[18:12] <xok> llutz: the file does not, but the included one contains those "mail.*" things...
[18:12] <zipy> is there any way to scroll in "top" ?
[18:12] <zipy> i dont see the full list
[18:12] <xok> and they seem to be correctly configured...
[18:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> michagogo: dunno about the 2, probly just a version number. just install mplayer and go with it.
[18:12] <xok> they all point to the /var/log/mail.* files...
[18:13] <llutz> xok: but those are empty?
[18:13] <xok> but the files are still completely empty...
[18:13] <afief> holstein: is there a specific live CD you recommend? (got my computer's speakers, but would like to fix it for future use as it's not a hardware/kernel problem as it seems)
[18:13] <DJones> zipy: Page up/down
[18:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> zipy: install htop, you can scroll in it, kill, etc.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> adamk, , I'm not real familiar with the gui setup for audio in unity/gnome , does the graphics card with hdmi out show as an audio device in audio settings ?
[18:13] <zipy> DJones, no page down doesnt work im login in per ssh
[18:13] <zipy> k i install htop
[18:14] <adamk> BluesKaj: It should, yes.
[18:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> zipy: in that case htop is your friend ;)
[18:14] <llutz> xok: you might make postifx more verbose for a test like http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html#verbose  and watch the logfiles. but anyways, at least when you start/stop/restart postfix you should get some info in mail.info or mail.log
[18:14] <zipy> yes nice
[18:14] <BluesKaj> adamk, because it does in the new version of kde
[18:14] <zipy> thank you
[18:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> zipy: no prob. htop is on the list of stuff I install first on a new install, before even I get my games and stuff running :P
[18:15] <adamk> BluesKaj: Well, I don't know if it shows up in the default gnome audio program, but it should certainly show up in pavucontrol.
[18:15] <holstein> afief: i usually try them all.. the last ubuntu LTS, the current version.. sometimes the development release.. *any* live CD i think might have a different kernel and alsa version
[18:15] <Takagami> What is that ncurses thing where you can select a LAMP server or Database server and what not... know what I am talking about?
[18:15] <Takagami> Drawing a blank...
[18:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> Takagami: taskell?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> adamk, yes it does here
[18:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> !info taskell
[18:15] <Takagami> taskell!!!
[18:15] <Takagami> Thank you!
[18:15] <llutz> tasksel
[18:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> Takagami: you mean the ubuntu-server dealie, right?
[18:16] <michagogo> ntzrmtthihu777: Where are system sounds stored?
[18:16] <zipy> hmm but i only see percentages
[18:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> michagogo: who knows. just get your own sound file somewhere :P
[18:16] <wip> dear ubuntu, ALLOW all device by default (UDEV) and make people block (.rules)................
[18:16] <Takagami> tasksel... that is the one!
[18:16]  * Takagami is still not quite awake yet... :-)
[18:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> !info tasksel
[18:16] <xok> llutz: that's the point, I don't get anything...
[18:16] <wip> should be like this, not the inverse (block all, and allow with .rules)
[18:17] <wip> does not make sense
[18:17] <xok> llutz: no reason to increase verbosity...
[18:17] <wip> who wants to not allow usb device to his sister
[18:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> !enter | wip
[18:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> just a friendly warning. I'd hate FloodBot to get ya ;)
[18:17] <zipy> ntzrmtthihu777, can i show how much ram they use in MB?
[18:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> zipy: honestly no idea. you may want to check out inxi, its a bash script that tells you about your system as a snapshot. see, like this: CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon II X2 240e (-MCP-) clocked at 800.000 Mhz Kernel~3.2.0-48-generic x86_64 Up~8:34 Mem~996.5/2943.5MB HDD~500.1GB(27.3% used) Procs~169 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.8.4
[18:18] <wip> will try to complain to udev people...
[18:18] <luigi> So yeah
[18:19] <llutz> xok: sudo rsyslogd -N1    to check configs
[18:19] <zipy> ntzrmtthihu777, i meant an aplication
[18:19] <luigi> Why isn't ubuntu shipping with systemd?
[18:19] <luigi> This has honestly always bugged me
[18:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> zipy: dunno atm. I'm just helping as best as I can ;)
[18:20] <zipy> k np
[18:20] <jacks_> Not able to get audio output. Any suggestion?
[18:20] <zipy> then i just calc them
[18:20] <luigi> jacks_: turn up the volume
[18:20] <jacks_> luigi, Volume on full mode!
[18:20] <luigi> jacks_: plug the speakers in
[18:20] <Pici> luigi: because we use upstart instead. It was developed with Ubuntu in mind and thus we use it.  I agree that systemd might be a better initv replacement in some cases though.
[18:21] <jacks_> luigi, Speakers are working in windows but in ubuntu it doesn't give any output.
[18:21] <xok> llutz: I don't know what it should show up but it prints some warnings about running in "compatibility mode"...
[18:21] <luigi> Pici: systemd was developed with distro-agnosticism in mind; why is Ubuntu the only major distro to not use it?
[18:22] <xok> llutz: nothing related to the postfix or the mailing system at all...
[18:22] <llutz> xok: thats normal warnings
[18:22] <luigi> jacks_: Sorry to start off with the dumb, obvious ones. Are you able to select multiple devices from the sound menu?
[18:22] <xok> llutz: yeah, I guess...
[18:22] <luigi> jacks_: It might be the case that Ubuntu is sending sound to a device that's not plugged in
[18:22] <Pici> luigi: Because the developers believe that upstart is a viable replacement.
[18:22] <luigi> jacks_: Like it could be trying to use HDMI audio out when you want analogue
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> luigi  http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[18:23] <jacks_> luigi, How can I check that out. Few hours ago it was working fine. I didn't change any settings
[18:23] <luigi> jacks_: What have you changed since it was last working? Updated anything?
[18:23] <jacks_> luigi, Not at all. No updates done.
[18:23] <luigi> MonkeyDust: Pici: Does upstart support socket activation? That's really my main concern
[18:23] <llutz> xok: "postconf |grep faci"  gives "syslog_facility = mail"  ?
[18:24] <aseny> Good evening everyone, i am interested in developing ubuntu desktop apps and i really have no idea where to start, any good places
[18:24] <xok> llutz: yes...
[18:24] <luigi> jacks_: I believe alsamixer will allow you to change devices. Don't remember if it's installed by default though
[18:24] <luigi> jacks_: It's a terminal program that will show you the state of your sound devices. What's muted, what's installed, etc.
[18:24] <luigi> jacks_: You're probably looking for analogue out
[18:25] <llutz> xok: might be stupid, but "grep -ri rsyslog /var/log/"     any errors/warnings?
[18:25] <jacks_> luigi, I tried plugging my headphones too. But it doesn't work.
[18:25] <luigi> jacks_: Then something is probably wrong with the underlying audio system
[18:26] <llutz> xok: other services are writing logs fine?
[18:26] <luigi> jacks_: alsamixer should let you ensure that the right device is selected
[18:26] <jacks_> luigi, I will try that out! :)
[18:26] <xok> llutz: well yes, others write errors fine...
[18:26] <luigi> jacks_: good luck!
[18:27] <xok> llutz: oh, Mysql has null bytes...
[18:27] <luigi> MonkeyDust: Pici: And on that note, how are unique seats handled in upstart?
[18:27] <xok> llutz: but apache at least has logs (both errors and access logs)...
[18:27] <jacks_> luigi, I have that thing installed in ubuntu.Can you please tell me what shall I look at?
[18:28] <luigi> jacks_: Alright, when you run 'alsamixer' in terminal, you should see a crude volume indicator. Hit 'F6' to get a menu of devices
[18:28] <llutz> xok:  so rsyslog runs.... no idea then, sorry that i couldn't help.  last resort: restart rsyslog/postfix and watch again
[18:28] <jacks_> luigi, Master was having value 0.
[18:28] <luigi> jacks_: That means it's muted
[18:29] <luigi> jacks_: Up and down will increase the volume
[18:29] <luigi> jacks_: Err, increase and decrease
[18:29] <jacks_> Done.Made it 100
[18:29] <luigi> Does sound work?
[18:29] <xok> llutz: thank you anyways for wasting time with my problem... I appreciate it...
[18:29] <luigi> xok: He provided you free technical support
[18:30] <jacks_> luigi, Oh yes it does ;)
[18:30] <luigi> jacks_: excellent! Close the application with Escape and you should be good to go
[18:30] <xok> luigi: yes, that's why I thanked him...
[18:30] <jacks_> luigi, Can you suggest me some good media player? Rhythm box hangs up everytime. :)
[18:30] <luigi> xok: Oh, sorry, it looked like you were sarcastically dismissing him. Sorry about that
[18:30] <xok> jacks_: mplayer...
[18:30] <holstein> "good" is a matter of opinion.. i use/like VLC
[18:30] <luigi> jacks_: I personally use MPD and GPMC, but MPD is a bit advanced
[18:31] <luigi> jacks_: mpd is your best bet when it comes to performance, though
[18:31] <jacks_> xok: thanks
[18:31] <jacks_> luigi, will take a look in to it.
[18:31] <xok> luigi: english is not my native languages, maybe I didn't expressed something well... ;-(
[18:31] <luigi> jacks_: mpd is a server and there are clients (like gmpc and ncmpcpp and ario) that show you your music and get it playing
[18:31] <llutz> xok: no worries, nothing to misunderstand
[18:31] <luigi> jacks_: It can be difficult to set up though
[18:32] <jacks_> luigi, Which one are you talkin about?
[18:32] <luigi> jacks_: mpd can be difficult to set up
[18:32] <xok> llutz: I've just restarted both of them (postfix and rsyslog) but still no changes...
[18:32] <luigi> jacks_: Music Player Daemon is what it stands for
[18:32] <xok> llutz: any chance that these services (mysl and postfix) ar running into the chroot and write logs somewhere else?..
[18:33] <jacks_> luigi, Which one will you suggest?
[18:33] <luigi> jacks_: If you're willing to edit a few text files and follow some online guides, mpd is what I'd suggest
[18:33] <jacks_> luigi, I need it for basic usage only. Songs and movies nothing advanced.
[18:33] <luigi> Oh, movies? MPD wouldn't work
[18:34] <holstein> vlc plays those.. and is easy to install
[18:34] <zamn> Hi, can anyone help me with this error? Ive been working on upgrading all of the packages in my ubuntu server and I keep getting versioning errors with libldap-2.4-2. The pastebin is here: http://pastebin.com/6iCSwvq7
[18:34] <luigi> holstein: It doesn't manage them though
[18:34] <reisio> manage?
[18:34] <holstein> i dont want it to
[18:34] <luigi> I assume jacks_ wants to manage his music and videos
[18:34] <reisio> directories are good for management...
[18:34] <holstein> the filemanager manages files
[18:34] <reisio> ^
[18:34] <jacks_> VLC is available for linux? :O
[18:34] <luigi> reisio: I can throw a mess of random mp3 files in a dir and GMPC will still organize them for me
[18:35] <luigi> But honestly something like beets is better suited for true music management
[18:35] <holstein> !info vlc
[18:35] <luigi> !info beets
[18:35] <Vinnie_win> Fresh install of Ubuntu 12.04LTS on a VirtualBox and I don't know the root password, what do I do? I am logged in my user account and I try to issue "su".
[18:35] <llutz> xok: even running in chroot logging should work. do you have something like  "$AddUnixListenSocket /var/spool/postfix/dev/log" in /etc/rsyslog.d/* ?
[18:35] <luigi> Vinnie_win: Try sudo -i
[18:35] <luigi> Vinnie_win: Though there is no root login by default
[18:36] <xok> llutz: yes, I do, very same line in postfix.conf file located in the /etc/rsyslog.d/ directory...
[18:36] <jacks_> luigi, beets? Is it a a good one?
[18:36] <xok> llutz: any ideas?..
[18:36] <reisio> luigi: organize?
[18:36] <luigi> jacks_: It's command-line only
[18:36] <llutz> xok: nope, that was the really last one .(
[18:37] <luigi> reisio: It ensures your files' metadata is consistent and sane
[18:37] <holstein> again... "good" is a matter of opinion jacks_ ..based on your needs
[18:37] <reisio> luigi: what does?
[18:37] <luigi> reisio: Beets. I would like to have my ID3v2 tags match my directory structure, for example
[18:37] <reisio> luigi: mmm
[18:37] <reisio> easily scripted
[18:37] <xok> llutz: no worries, I am trying to acomplish the same thing with the different way...
[18:38] <jacks_> holstein: Movie player needs a lot of plugins to play a movie of different extensions
[18:38] <reisio> also: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22taggedfs%22
[18:38] <luigi> reisio: It also has plugins to do anything you could want to do to your music, like add lyrics, replaygain, fingerprint scanning...
[18:38] <reisio> why would you want to do any of those things :p
[18:38] <luigi> reisio: All it is is a framework to do the scripting for you
[18:38] <jacks_> holstein, A good player like Itunes will be better I suppose.
[18:38] <luigi> reisio: If you don't want to do those things, beets isn't for you
[18:38] <mamed> hello . ubuntu 12.04 32 bit firefox 22.0 i cant pen the youtube page on firefox and epiphany
[18:38] <reisio> :D
[18:38] <holstein> jacks_: know.. that is more "appropriate" for that type of file.. not "better"
[18:38] <luigi> reisio: Although replaygain is useful to everyone... Not sure why you'd dismiss that
[18:39] <reisio> luigi: because I want to hear things the way they were mastered
[18:39] <holstein> jacks_: plus, nothing about ubuntu is preventing those codecs frome being purchased, or used.. or supported
[18:39] <luigi> reisio: and replaygain breaks that how?
[18:39] <luigi> reisio: Use album mode
[18:39] <jacks_> holstein, Yeah. But there are many dependencies that needs to be installed before I can use them.
[18:40] <holstein> jacks_: sudo apt-get install vlc and try
[18:40] <mamed> everything was ok yesterday . i was able to connect to youtube . yesterday night i shut down my pc and i havent open it until 5 minutes before but i cannot connect to youtube. wht may be the problem?
[18:40] <lauratika> some very odd situation happening to me, workspace some how messes up and launch application in another desktop so it looks like it's launches on unity but cant see the window anywhere. changing workspaces cant bring them. some one hear of this?
[18:40] <zamn> Hi, can anyone help me with this error? Ive been working on upgrading all of the packages in my ubuntu server and I keep getting versioning errors with libldap-2.4-2. The pastebin is here: http://pastebin.com/6iCSwvq7 or is there anywhere I can go to get assistance?
[18:40] <luigi> reisio: You hear it the way it was mastered but without the added benefit of having your eardrums implode when you go from classical music to the newest pop singles
[18:40] <Vinnie_win> luigi: That helped :-) Thanks, I was fearing a reinstall...lol
[18:40] <holstein> jacks_: those codecs will be needed regarless of application or OS
[18:40] <holstein> regardless*
[18:40] <jacks_> holstein, Some good mp3 player?
[18:41] <holstein> jacks_: mp3 is a codec.. "good" is a matter of opinion.. i play mp3's in vlc. or just in the chrome browser, which includes mp3 codec support
[18:41] <luigi> reisio: Unless of course by 'the way it was mastered' you mean 'without ever changing the volume on my computer' which is fine
[18:41] <luigi> reisio: Just set it and forget it
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> jacks_  musicians don't like mp3, because of quality loss
[18:42] <jacks_> holstein, got your point!
[18:42]  * luigi uses flac
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> flack is lossless
[18:42] <holstein> i prefer flac or ogg.. but i track in wav
[18:42] <luigi> Track?
[18:43] <holstein> i save high resolution, and export what is needed on a case by case basis.. track = record
[18:43] <jacks_> Another point I wanted to raise was I frequently get Ubuntu error. And When I report it , it says an internal error.
[18:43] <luigi> holstein: flac is lossless... so why not save in flac?
[18:43] <reisio> that's a pretty lax interpretation of replaygain :p
[18:43] <jacks_> MonkeyDust: ah
[18:43] <luigi> reisio: replaygain's album mode will preserve volume differences over the entire album
[18:43] <holstein> luigi: i use wav ..sometimes i use flac, but i track in wav
[18:43] <luigi> holstein: Why?
[18:43] <dailyginger> I keep all of my stuff in mp3, though the quality isn't stellar. My hearing isn't stellar, either, so I don't feel the need to be particular.
[18:44] <holstein> luigi: why not? i understand wav, and started using it..
[18:44] <reisio> looks pretty fancy, though
[18:44] <luigi> reisio: I'm thinking you're trolling
[18:44] <reisio> luigi: good for you
[18:44] <Scrivener> I'm using a 3-monitor setup on a Thinkpad T430 with an HD4000 graphics chipset. First display is notebook's, then I have a couple 22" displays in DVI ports. With one extra display graphical performance seemed great, but with 2 it has become sluggish for things like snapping windows animations and window spreads and such. Is there anything I could potentially look into for speeding this up, or would it be reaching the limitations of the chipset
[18:44] <Scrivener>  I'm using?
[18:44] <luigi> holstein: If you're storing all your music uncompressed, when you could just use flac -d *.flac | <program> ... Why not just use flac?
[18:44] <Scrivener> I thought the HD4000 would be quite capable of nice graphical performance across 3 monitors.
[18:44] <luigi> holstein: It saves space
[18:45] <reisio> why would you even need to decode the flac ever
[18:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> ogg <3
[18:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> for any ogg lovers: !info dir2ogg
[18:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> !info dir2ogg
[18:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> =_=
[18:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> did anything I just posted get through?
[18:45] <FloodBot1> ntzrmtthihu777: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:45] <holstein> luigi: i use wav.. i use wav because, as i said, i started using wav.. and when i need to work with *any* other professional in the buisness, they want wav
[18:45] <aseny> hi everyone i am new here and i want a good place to start learning ubuntu development
[18:45] <dailyginger> I'm having a little trouble with feedly today, only in Chromium. I'm having a little trouble figuring out which of the changes I made this morning might be causing it.
[18:45] <luigi> holstein: Ah, that makes sense
[18:45] <luigi> At least they're not asking for AIFF
[18:45] <holstein> luigi: i convert when they do
[18:46] <reisio> if by professional you mean someone who likes wasting their disk space, anyways :p
[18:46] <luigi> holstein: I would honestly store everything in flac and just convert to wav when someone needs the file in question
[18:46] <reisio> aseny: of Ubuntu?
[18:46] <luigi> It's like saving a bmp instead of a png
[18:46] <reisio> I think the bot has a !contribute thing
[18:47] <aseny> yes of Ubuntu
[18:47] <reisio> aseny: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[18:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> heres a question. I want to file a bug report in the same style as Bug 1, would this be frowned upon?
[18:47] <holstein> luigi: it is nice to have choices
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> luigi  not really, more like tiff instead of png, tiff is lossless, too
[18:48] <luigi> MonkeyDust: I thought bmp was lossless?
[18:48] <luigi> I thought it was a literal map of each pixel in the image?
[18:48] <dailyginger> It was either the updates I ran (on 12.04.2 LTS) or the OpenJDK Java 7 Runtime.
[18:48]  * ntzrmtthihu777 likes png for the sake of certain game design stuffs.
[18:48] <reisio> tiff is not lossless
[18:48] <reisio> it's a container format ffs
[18:49] <luigi> reisio: Why so mad?
[18:49] <reisio> people exist
[18:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: would you like oracle-java instead?
[18:49] <luigi> Sounds like a person problem
[18:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ot
[18:49] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu77: what do you mean?
[18:49] <reisio> people, person, fair bet
[18:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: if openjdk is giving you issue, you can easily install oracle java 6,7, or 8 with the ppa:webup8team/java ppa.
[18:50] <aseny> reisio: i have been there but it was not helpful
[18:50] <reisio> aseny: how wasn't it helpful?
[18:51] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: No, sorry I was asking about your question about the bug report
[18:51] <KaZeR_W> hi there
[18:51] <reisio> hi
[18:51] <KaZeR_W> i'm trying to build a preseed file but some parameters are not applied (like hostname, which is quite annoying)
[18:51] <holstein> !contribute > aseny
[18:51] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: I will look into oracle java and see if that fixes my problem
[18:51] <reisio> already gave him that
[18:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: well bug 1 is a joke-but-serious bug about microsoft having the major market share.
[18:51] <KaZeR_W> i always end up with a server named 'ubuntu'. does someone knows how to fix that?
[18:52] <reisio> heh
[18:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> KaZeR_W: cat /etc/hosts
[18:52] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: So you think it's probably the java that is interferig with just feedly? Seems more likely that the updates I ran this morning.
[18:52] <KaZeR_W> ntzrmtthihu777: ? for a preseed?
[18:52] <luigi> Wow that bug 1 is unprofessional
[18:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> wait a minute, can ubottu catch bug 1 without even using the ! command thing?
[18:52] <aseny> reisio: it gave so many links to so many languages
[18:52] <reisio> aseny: and?
[18:52] <aseny> reisio: i dont know which one to start with
[18:53] <reisio> aseny: pick one
[18:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> KaZeR_W: *shrug* no clue about preseed or any of that, just thought you should check what your pc hostname was to maybe fix it if that was the problem.
[18:53] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: although I did try uninstalling the java installation from earlier, I'm too much of a noob to figure out how to fully remove the java installation I tried this morning
[18:53] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: I'll try reading more. Thank you.
[18:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: how did you try to install java, and from where?
[18:54] <aseny> reisio: any recomendations
[18:54] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: software center
[18:54] <holstein> aseny: its very broad what you are asking.. try and zero in a bit, and look for a specific part of development. bug management, packaging.. just hand here and support
[18:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: personally I love bug 1
[18:54] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: openjdk java 7 runtime
[18:54] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: I think it should really be handled by upstream though
[18:54] <luigi> See, this is the problem with ubuntu. The bugs never get upstream
[18:55] <ThePendulum> GReetings
[18:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: how did you try to install it? hopefully by apt-get or software center/synaptic?
[18:55] <reisio> aseny: pick one
[18:55] <ThePendulum> I have two directories that I can't remove because according to Nautilus/the terminal, they don't exist
[18:55] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: siorry, i don't think I'm tagging you correctly. I installed it through software center.
[18:55] <reisio> luigi: java bugs?
[18:55] <Pici> dailyginger: are you sure that the feedly problem is actually being caused by java? Does feedly even use java? I would expect that it wouldn'y.
[18:55] <luigi> reisio: No, I was joking about bug 1
[18:56] <luigi> I think ubottu needs to not trigger on bug 1
[18:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: .... how do you see them to want to delete them, then?
[18:56] <dailyginger> Pici: No, I don't know if it's java
[18:56] <holstein> dailyginger: confirm that it is, or not
[18:56] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: Because they DO exist :P
[18:56] <dailyginger> Pici: That's why I came here. I ran an update this morning and installed javajdk 7 runtime
[18:56] <holstein> dailyginger: you mentioned something in the browser.. i have java disabled in my browser..
[18:57] <Pici> dailyginger: What errors are you getting?
[18:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: whew. I thought you were going at it half-cocked with a deb or tarball. this is an easy fix.
[18:57] <aseny> QML
[18:57] <apb1963> how frequently should my dhclient be making requests?  It appears to be doing it like every 10 seconds.
[18:57] <dailyginger> cloud.feedly.com loads to an empty page
[18:57] <dailyginger> but only in Chromium
[18:57] <dailyginger> loads fine in Firefox
[18:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: but how are you seeing them, if neither terminal nor nautilus takes note?
[18:57] <holstein> dailyginger: and, you removed cookies?
[18:57] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: They both see them, but they can't remove them
[18:57] <dailyginger> Updates this morning included Chromium-browser-l10n
[18:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: ok, what is the folder, then?
[18:58] <dailyginger> No, I didn't remove cookies.
[18:58] <holstein> dailyginger: if chromium is the only thing with the issue, then its likely the issue... have you downgraded it?
[18:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: when in doubt on a browser issue, always clear cookies, histor, cache etc first :P
[18:59] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: Actually I'm getting a whole bunch of other errors now
[18:59] <dailyginger> OKay, I'll wander back to Chromium, clear the cookies and the cache
[18:59] <ThePendulum> http://pastie.org/8107616
[18:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: you know these erros would be useful info to give us.
[18:59] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: That's why I gave them...
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> dailyginger  i clear my ~/.cache daily with a cron job
[19:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: sorry, hit enter on my message before yours showed up.
[19:00] <reisio> luigi: yeah, the bot is quite spammy :p
[19:00] <reisio> at least that propaganda rather than plain spam
[19:00] <luigi> reisio: we should submit that as some sort of bug 1
[19:00] <Spec-Chum> MonkeyDust: why not just mount it to /tmpfs?
[19:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: first off, I think you should try rm -rf first :P
[19:00] <Spec-Chum> if you're cleaning every day anyway
[19:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> not rm -R.
[19:00] <reisio> luigi: bug zarro
[19:01] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: Same feedback :(
[19:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: ok, what is this stor1 mounted on /mnt?
[19:01] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: Except for the not empty ones
[19:01] <luigi> bug 2 ?
[19:01] <dailyginger> OK. I cleared the cookies, history and cache
[19:01] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: It's one of my two HDDs
[19:01] <luigi> Or perhaps bug -1
[19:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ot | reisio
[19:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ot | luigi
[19:01] <dailyginger> Should I restart the browser? Feedly still isn't loading
[19:01] <holstein> dailyginger: but, it is in ff?
[19:01] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: You should chain your pipes correctly
[19:02] <luigi> !ot | {reiso,luigi}
[19:02] <dailyginger> Sorry, ff?
[19:02] <holstein> dailyginger: ff = firefox
[19:02] <Pici> Can we all please stop playing with the bots?
[19:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: firfox
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> Spec-Chum  yes, i do have this line in fstab     tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[19:02] <dailyginger> Oh, yes, it works fine in firefox
[19:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: ok. how did you mount this?
[19:02] <luigi> Pici: Sure, but that won't stop it triggering whenever someone says bug and a number
[19:03] <reisio> ntzrmtthihu777: sup
[19:03] <Spec-Chum> MonkeyDust: that's great, but .cache is in ~ not /tmp
[19:03] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: There's an fstab line, /dev/sdb1 /mnt/stor1 ntfs defaults 0 0, I think
[19:03]  * ntzrmtthihu777 apologizes for getting the channel offtopic for mentioning bug uno and causing hilarity. seriously, did not want that to happen.
[19:03] <Pici> luigi: This isn't the place to discuss that particlar bug, and normally when people mention bugs they don't continue to repeat it, so it isn't a problem.
[19:03] <holstein> dailyginger: i would enjoy it in ff, and keep checking in chromium.. you can always step chromium down and test.. but, either feedly is using java or not...
[19:03] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: Always works, and it still works except for those 2 dirs
[19:03] <luigi> Pici: Marked WONTFIX ?
[19:03] <irreverant> All I can say is that Windows 8 reaffirms my belief that I need to migrate to Ubuntu even sooner!!!! Like ASAP!
[19:03] <luigi> Story of my life
[19:04] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: I will try to find out if feedly is using java or not. BRB
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> irreverant: good idea :p
[19:04] <reisio> WONTFIX, how else would we get people to make their own distros? :p
[19:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> irreverant: win7 chased me here :p
[19:04] <Spec-Chum> MonkeyDust: you've made me consider mounting my cache to tmpfs now haha
[19:05] <luigi> reisio: You should see the mess arch had in implementing systemd. Someone designed a bash script that talked in first person and completely gutted core system libraries
[19:05] <irreverant> Yeah I was pretty close myself with 7 but adapted and appreciated it for what it was worth. So much so I'm still on it. But I think i'm done now.
[19:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> ... you can do that?... I guess so, considering you can mount /tmp to a tmpfs....
[19:05] <luigi> reisio: It also claimed to have a better security model based on a single root account
[19:05] <reisio> luigi: sounds archy
[19:05] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: You can mount any directory as a tmpfs and they will all share the same space
[19:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: reisio: yall really needa get on topic, srsly.
[19:06] <luigi> reisio: No, it was very anti-arch
[19:06] <Spec-Chum> ntzrmtthihu777: you can mount and dir to tmpfs, but just make sure you don't need it after a reboot lol
[19:06] <Spec-Chum> *any
[19:06] <reisio> ntzrmtthihu777: all I ever see you talking about is people not being on topic
[19:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> lies.
[19:06] <reisio> :p
[19:06] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: I think you need to lose your 'internet though guy' stance
[19:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Is it possible to use zsync (or rsync) to upgrade released ISO images to the next stable release? If so, how?
[19:06] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: Because this is starting to feel like 4th grade all over again
[19:07] <reisio> SonikkuAmerica: you'd have to unsquashfs, probs, and then sync, and then resquash
[19:07] <MonkeyDust> SonikkuAmerica  rsync copies files, it doesnt upgrade
[19:07] <reisio> SonikkuAmerica: I doubt it would be more efficient than just replacing the entire image
[19:07] <luigi> SonikkuAmerica: Yeah, zsync wouldn't be ideal at all
[19:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: not a tough guy, lol. I'd just hate to see folk get booted/banned/etc over witty banter. we have a channel for bsing, lol.
[19:07] <reisio> SonikkuAmerica: however, someone generates the install images, and they probably use version control to manage it
[19:07]  * luigi awaits the banhammer
[19:07] <luigi> Nothing?
[19:07] <reisio> SonikkuAmerica: and you can likely sync from that directly
[19:07] <luigi> Let's carry on then
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> reisio: Ah.
[19:08] <occ> can ubunut still run from the live cd if there is no HDD in the computer?
[19:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> ThePendulum: could it be the disc is going bad?
[19:08] <luigi> occ: Yes!
[19:08] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: Okay. It's not quite as easy as I thought it was going to be to understand/discover if feedly uses java. Thank you for your help.
[19:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> occ: do it all the time.
[19:08] <occ> ntr lugi , cool
[19:08] <luigi> occ: Everything will run from the DVD and the RAM
[19:08] <occ> i see
[19:08] <Spec-Chum> occ: you can even install it to a USB stick if you want
[19:08] <ThePendulum> NiTeMaRe: Could be... :(
[19:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: for the most part anything cool online either uses flash or java.
[19:09] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: Untrue, html 5 games are amazing
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> luigi: It's called #ubuntu-bs !
[19:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: example?
[19:09] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: And don't forget llvm compiled C --> JavaScript webpages
[19:09] <ThePendulum> ntzrmtthihu777: It's several years old, so it's definitely possible
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> luigi: (Actually, #ubuntu-offtopic)
[19:09] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: I'm really thinking is uses java, just trying to find a source to confirm
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> how come my xscreensaver conflicts gnome default screensaver deamon every boot, does it need to be configged somewhere?
[19:09] <reisio> nothing cool uses Java™ anymore
[19:10] <zamn> yea
[19:10] <zamn> amazon isnt cool
[19:10] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: Pure HTML5 http://ponywings.nutcasenightmare.com/
[19:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> lotuspsychje: because they do the same job. you have to chose one or the other, basically.
[19:10] <holstein> lotuspsychje: why not just remove/disable the one you dont want
[19:10] <reisio> zamn: agreed
[19:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: I'm going to regret this.
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> ntzrmtthihu777: how to set xscreensaver as default once and for good
[19:10] <dailyginger> ntzrmtthihu777: It definitely uses Java.
[19:10] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: Yes, yes you are
[19:10] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: I've also seen a few games written in C that were compiled to bytecode with llvm and then compiled to javascript
[19:11] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: There's a 3D game that runs in firefox that was based off that. Don't remember what the link was though
[19:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: you just proved my point. written in c, but executed in java.
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> holstein: wont next update retry downloading gnome default screensaver again?
[19:11] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: Javascript is not java
[19:11] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: What kinda crack you smokin boi??
[19:12] <reisio> I think what you do is disable gnome's screensaver and merely install and run xscreensaver
[19:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> lotuspsychje: if you remove it you won't have it tried to download at updates.
[19:12] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: This is what I've used to compile llvm JS https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme try removing the gnome screensaver
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> holdon
[19:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: does not javascript require a java browser plugin to work? I rest my case.
[19:12] <holstein> lotuspsychje: im not clear what the issue is? disable the screensaver and enable the other one
[19:12] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: No, it doesn't
[19:12] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: Javascript is completely independent of Java
[19:12] <holstein> no. js is not java
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> holstein: when i try to load a screensaver from xscreensaver it gives me warning gnome screensaver deamon to stop
[19:13] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: http://www.unrealengine.com/html5/ there's an example of the unreal engine compiled to javascript
[19:13] <holstein> lotuspsychje: ok. so stop it..
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> holstein: next boot its back on gnome screensaver again
[19:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> luigi: Interesting. I see no js in this pony game's page source...
[19:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> lotuspsychje: check your startup applications.
[19:13] <holstein> lotuspsychje: and you have gone to the screensave and turned it off?
[19:14] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: <a href="game.php">
[19:14] <DJones> luigi: ntzrmtthihu777 Can you move the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, its not really a specific Ubuntu issue
[19:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> DJones: sorry. I've been saying luigi and reisio were ot, but I guess I got into it too :(
[19:14]  * luigi watches the infection spread
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> ntzrmtthihu777: gnome default screensaver doesnt show in startup items
[19:15] <zamn> can someone look at this please? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+question/231831
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> neither does xscreensaver
[19:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> lotuspsychje: ah. well there is a sed command that will make it show up, I just forgot it atm. lemme find it for you....
[19:15] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: <script src="src/Pony.js?v=deploy.0.11"></script> and many other lines
[19:16] <kurtwp_> is it possible for a video card to be under powered to handle two monitors
[19:16] <dailyginger> BRB I want to restart.
[19:16] <holstein> lotuspsychje: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-replace-gnome-screensaver-with-xscreensaver-in-ubuntu.html
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> holstein: tnx mate lemme check
[19:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> lotuspsychje: sudo sed -i "s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g"
[19:18] <luigi> ntzrmtthihu777: You need a target for sed there, but
[19:18] <luigi> *bud
[19:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> crap, it got cut off XD
[19:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> lotuspsychje: sudo sed -i "s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g" /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> holstein: hmm sudo apt-get remove gnome-screensaver
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
[19:19] <holstein> lotuspsychje: use *any* package manager you are comfotable using to try and remove that
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[19:20] <luigi> holstein: so other distro's package managers too?
[19:20] <luigi> SWEET
[19:20] <holstein> !ot > luigi
[19:20] <reisio> kurtwp_: yes of course
[19:20] <luigi> ubottu: We can discuss this in public
[19:21] <BTCjunkie> RIP GOOGLE READER
[19:21] <reisio> luigi: I think holstein wants you to know that he thinks you're talking a lot about things that aren't strictly on topic for the channel
[19:21] <reisio> holstein: is that right?
[19:21] <Vinnie_win> I'm loving this Ubuntu...I'm almost as productive under it as I am on Windows
[19:21] <reisio> Vinnie_win: :)
[19:21] <luigi> reisio: Ah, okay
[19:21] <reisio> Vinnie_win: anything we can maybe help with to get you as productive?
[19:21] <luigi> I love Ubuntu
[19:21] <luigi> Yay deb
[19:21] <BTCjunkie> Vinnie_win,  until you want to play games
[19:21]  * BTCjunkie ducks
[19:21] <dailyginger> RIP google reader indeed
[19:21] <BTCjunkie> sorry i had to say it
[19:21] <Vinnie_win> BTCjunkie: Heh its okay I don't play games anymore
[19:22] <tgm4883> luigi, that would be off topic too
[19:22] <holstein> !steam
[19:22] <BTCjunkie> Vinnie_win,  right on
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> holstein: ok uninstalling gnome screensaver from software centre
[19:22] <BTCjunkie> Vinnie_win,  ubuntu is great aint it
[19:22] <Vinnie_win> reisio: What I need is a good IDE. I'm going to try QT Creator IDE and see if I can port my software to it
[19:22] <luigi> tgm4883: I love fixing ubuntu so let's support others!!
[19:22] <reisio> Vinnie_win: what is it you're making, and in what language?
[19:23] <Vinnie_win> reisio: I'm working on rippled and its in C++.
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> holstein: ill let you know next reboot mate tnx for tip
[19:24] <reisio> Vinnie_win: mmm, not familiar with it
[19:24] <reisio> Vinnie_win: you might try kdevelop
[19:24] <Vinnie_win> reisio: Its not open source yet (but soon)
[19:24] <reisio> Vinnie_win: what's it do?
[19:24] <Vinnie_win> reisio: Oh, I will look into that right away
[19:24] <Vinnie_win> http://ripple.com
[19:26] <reisio> must've been a costly domain
[19:26] <Vinnie_win> it cost some yeah. its not mine though.
[19:26] <reisio> :D
[19:27] <luigi> I love ubuntu so much I will willingly fellatiate any support request! BUG 1
[19:27] <Vinnie_win> lol
[19:27] <Vinnie_win> it's quite a step up from PCBSD haha
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> lets stick to support guys
[19:27] <tgm4883> !mods
[19:29] <Vinnie_win> Oh my God this was incredible...Qt Creator came as a .bin installer that you just double click and the installer launches and there's no command line just a dialog with some options - and the install WORKED
[19:30] <dailyginger> I'm not sure this Chromium/feedly problem is from the java update I ran. I uninstalled (through software center) and restarted. No change. I think it might be the Chromium update I ran this morning through update manager.
[19:30] <dailyginger> I guess I'm just going to run feedly through FF until the problem goes away?
[19:30] <holstein> dailyginger: if feedly is not using jave, then it *cant* be.. if its working fine in FF, then, i suggest that its not a system wide issue, such as java
[19:31] <holstein> dailyginger: did you downgrade chromium and test?
[19:31] <dailyginger> I didn't downgrade chromium. I'm not clear on how to do that.
[19:32] <reisio> Vinnie_win: that's actually the opposite of what you want :p
[19:32] <reisio> Vinnie_win: qtcreator is in the universe repo, just enable it in software center and search for it and click to install
[19:32] <holstein> dailyginger: you can open a package manger, such as synaptic, and force it to downgrade
[19:32] <sy_> I have a 3TB drive where I have created a raid1 set with disk missing to be added in later however mdadm is reporting 2.1TB, any ideas?
[19:32] <reisio> Vinnie_win: minus the universe step, _that_ is incredible
[19:33] <dailyginger> Okay. I will open synaptic and try that. Thank you.
[19:33] <reisio> sy_: abandon raid and do something sensible instead
[19:33] <tgm4883> raid isn't sensible?
[19:33] <sy_> such as?
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> sy_:maybe this can help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2043420
[19:37] <sy_> lotuspsychje: not sure that is it, there is only a single partition using the entire drive
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> !raid | sy_
[19:39] <sasha-> yop
[19:39] <sasha-> which option do I use with nmap to only scan for port 80?
[19:39] <llutz> sasha-: man nmap (-p 80)
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> sasha-: nmap -p 80
[19:40] <sasha-> llutz: haha I never read the man :P
[19:40] <sasha-> but thanks
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> sasha-: -p 80 -sV can show interesting stuff also
[19:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> sasha-: thats half your problem.
[19:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> DJones: back again?
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> sy_:maybe the #ubuntu-server guys might know your issue with raid
[19:45] <sy_> lotuspsychje: Thanks, will give them a try
[19:46] <excesseye> 11/leave
[19:50] <Scrivener> How can Vsync be enabled in Ubuntu 13.04?
[19:50] <Scrivener> Using 2 external monitors with my laptop (Intel HD4000) I experience some screen tearing.
[19:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> Scrivener: has to do with your graphics card driver.
[19:50] <Scrivener> So it will be an intel utility?
[19:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> Scrivener: what driver do you have?
[19:51] <Scrivener> Whatever is enabled by default for the Intel HD 4000. Let me check.
[19:51] <Scrivener> Right, can't see any proprietary drivers used.
[19:52] <Scrivener> ntzrmtthihu777, looks like i915
[19:53] <adamk> Scrivener: I believe there's no way, currently, to get vsync on both monitors in a dual monitor setup.
[19:53] <Vinnie_win> how do I determine if boost 1.54 is available via apt-get ?
[19:53] <Scrivener> adamk, ahh seriously? That's some big hurt.
[19:53] <zamn> is there any way to have apt ignore a certain broken package just so that I can continue using it?
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> Vinnie_win  apt-cache search
[19:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> Scrivener: and in general to get full functions for *anything* fancy you should get the prop. drivers.
[19:53] <DJones> !info libboost
[19:53] <adamk> Scrivener: That was the case as of October/November of last year. I'm not awarey of any changes to that since.
[19:54] <adamk> ntzrmtthihu777: Really?  And what proprietary drivers do you suggest?  (Hint: there are none for intel GPUs)
[19:54] <Scrivener> ntzrmtthihu777, there are no prop drivers available through Software & Sources -- does Intel provide other drivers that Ubuntu doesn't use by default?
[19:54] <Vinnie_win> !info libbost-dev
[19:54] <Vinnie_win> !info libboost-dev
[19:54] <yakari> ah wé
[19:54] <Vinnie_win> !info libboost1.48-all-dev
[19:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> Scrivener: not a clue, I have an ati card. sorry if I can't help you.
[19:55] <rbnielsen> Augh.. Boost libraries *shrugs*
[19:55] <auronandace> !msgthebot | Vinnie_win
[19:56] <tgm4883> !info libboost-all-dev
[19:57] <Vinnie_win> Okay I install libboost-dev and it says that its 1.48 but in /usr/include/boost/version.hpp it says 1.46.
[19:57] <dgryski> Who can I poke about the Ubuntu Cloud vagrant images?  They don't have ssh keys so vagrant can't ssh in without booting via the gui and manual intervention (dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server)
[19:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> dgryski: why not do that, may I ask?
[19:58] <dailyginger> I'm back and feedly is working. But the forcing to previous version did not work.
[19:59] <dailyginger> Possibly, because I didn't properly do it.
[19:59] <dailyginger> I uninstalled Chromium and reinstalled it. It now works.
[19:59] <dgryski> ntzrmtthihu777: because it means that those images are useless for vagrant integration because they can't be used to bootstrap automatically?
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[20:00] <lotuspsychje> !yay | dailyginger
[20:00] <dailyginger> I have no idea why uninstalling and reinstalling worked. :/
[20:01] <dgryski> ntzrmtthihu777: http://www.vagrantup.com/ : vagrant lets you build reproducible machines images, by providing a base image and configuration steps.  However, since ssh is broken for ubuntu cloud vagrant images, it can't ssh it to do the configuration == broken.
[20:01] <AleXa> please, somebody kicks me from channel.  my client won't do it,  and I pay for my internet cellphone traffic
[20:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> dgryski: gotcah.
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> AleXa, /exit
[20:02] <dailyginger> Dumb IRC question: the red text. Is that a private message?
[20:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: erm, what client are you using?
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> dailyginger, If it is to you it means its for you.
[20:02] <dailyginger> xchat
[20:03] <AleXa> please, somebody kicks me from channel.  my client won't do it,  and I pay for my internet cellphone traffic
[20:03] <wilee-nilee> dailyginger, Is my message in red?
[20:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> dailyginger: or when I do this does your name turn red? in which case it means I'm talking directly to you, but its *not* a pm.
[20:03] <PakLife1> im having this strange issue with ubuntu.. ive configured a network interface (10.90.0.45/24) then removed that interface(vmware) and put a new subnet 10.50.0.45/24 but for some reason whenever the server tries to go to the internet its using the old gateway (10.90.0.254) even though the subnet is removed... is there so casching happening?
[20:03] <AleXa> please, somebody kicks me from channel.  my client won't do it,  and I pay for my internet cellphone traffic
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> dailyginger: you can autofill a nickname with Tab key to highlight others aswell
[20:04] <anoncn_78> sera
[20:04] <dailyginger> wilee-nilee: yes, those lines are red for me
[20:04] <apb1963> AleXa: /quit or /part
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> anoncn_78: english only please
[20:05] <AleXa> part doesnt work
[20:05] <AleXa> please, somebody kicks me from channel.  my client won't do it,  and I pay for my internet cellphone traffic
[20:05] <apb1963> make sure you type the slash
[20:05] <Daghdha> is this command safe to run?   mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sda1
[20:06] <reisio> it is if you have a backup
[20:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> Daghdha: "safe" is relative in all things.
[20:06] <AleXa> really no ops here?
[20:06] <reisio> AleXa: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[20:06]  * Daghdha looks passed reisio and ntzrmtthihu777 "Anyone know the answer? anyone?" :P
[20:06] <reisio> AleXa: or just spam the channel and you'll be kicked
[20:06] <reisio> Daghdha: ?
[20:07] <Mongoose> AleXa: could you perhaps turn off your phone and then turn it on again?
[20:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> AleXa: I was asking one in another channel, but they seem to be away. I'd do it for you but can't :P
[20:07] <AleXa> I'm just in the middle of discussion on another channel
[20:07] <japrrpaj> Hello I have a peculiar question: one of my laptops got terribly slow on windows, it just didn't move. I tried to install Ubuntu and worked just great. But, when I tried to install windows on a virtualbox, that version was also as slow as the original install. I'm trying to install windows again but it gets very slow on the copy files phase. Why does it run smoothly on ubuntu but not XP?
[20:07] <AleXa> and it's bug in app
[20:07] <apb1963> AleXa: join #freenode  ... those are "super ops".  I'm sure they can help
[20:07] <Guest41571> how to download system's locale files via terminal?
[20:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> Daghdha: please don't class me with reisio, lol. I genuinely try to be helpful, and for stuff dealing with any partitions.
[20:08] <Guest41571> not download but install
[20:08] <reisio> japrrpaj: potentially a driver issue; is your laptop of the XP era?
[20:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest41571: you mean like stuff to set LANG variables?
[20:08] <reisio> Daghdha: yeah, ntzrmtthihu777 is genuinely helpful, and doesn't just insult people unprompted
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> AleXa, If you run /exit it will disconnect you completely
[20:09] <Daghdha> relax
[20:09] <Daghdha> no on is insulting anyone
[20:09] <reisio> Daghdha: besides ntzrmtthihu777 insulting me, correct :p
[20:09] <Guest41571> ntzrmtthihu777: I mean that files that make my fresh installed system in my native lang. I always do it via GUI in 12.04 but now I need packages to install it offline
[20:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest41571: kk, looking through my installed packages, tryina figure out which one. I have japanese and chinese installed on this machine, so I can likely fine it.
[20:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest41571: ah, found it.
[20:11] <japrrpaj> reisio: it's from the Vista era
[20:11] <reisio> japrrpaj: then the hardware inside it was likely assembled ENTIRELY without XP in mind
[20:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest41571: language-pack-{2-letter language code} language-pack-XX-base language-pack-gnome-XX language-pack-gnome-XX=base (assuming gnome/unity/anything that needs gnome stuffs)
[20:11] <andornaut> Im not able to change mouse theme (XFCE) - well, i can, but the left_ptr doesn't change, but other states do. I believe I broke this when trying to fix a steam cursor bug a while ago. Any ideas where I can look to fix it?
[20:12] <Guest41571> ntzrmtthihu777: thanks
[20:12] <reisio> andornaut: sometimes you have to log out and back in for a full change
[20:12] <dailyginger> l
[20:12] <japrrpaj> reisio. but it always worked, even with XP. Mainly inside the virtual box. It ran just fine.
[20:12] <reisio> japrrpaj: until when?
[20:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> andornaut: honestly no clue about this. I have made a custom starcraft theme and left_ptr does not work in all situations.
[20:12] <japrrpaj> reisio: until now, but years have passed
[20:13] <AleXa> please, somebody kicks me from channel.  my client won't do it,  and I pay for my internet cellphone traffic
[20:13] <reisio> japrrpaj: did it work with the same version of XP you're using now? The same install media?
[20:13] <reisio> AleXa: you can't /quit ?
[20:13] <reisio> /exit, /part
[20:13] <AleXa> why would I quit?
[20:14] <AleXa> just need to part
[20:14] <japrrpaj> nope, but I already tried different versions of XP and they all behave the same: very slow. Using only ubuntu it works like charm.
[20:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> AleXa: flood really hard and you may get booted.
[20:14] <reisio> AleXa: you can't /part, then?
[20:14] <Rexodus> AleXa is kiddin' you all haha ;)
[20:14] <reisio> Rexodus: LMAO!
[20:14] <Daghdha> yes past 4 lines. Linux channels are usually pretty anal about floods
[20:14] <japrrpaj> reisio: nope, but I already tried different versions of XP and they all behave the same: very slow. Using only ubuntu it works like charm.
[20:14] <Daghdha> or a few more
[20:14] <AleXa> what shall I write?  I'm drug dealer or something,  I love Microsoft.. . etc.
[20:15] <reisio> japrrpaj: well it's impossible to say if you can't compare with the same install media
[20:15] <reisio> japrrpaj: it could've had all the right drivers in it already
[20:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> AleXa: no, flooding is like this: hey\nhow\nis\neveryone\n?
[20:15] <Daghdha> He's already gone slowpoke
[20:15] <reisio> can't argue with results
[20:15] <IdleOne> ntzrmtthihu777: Please don't play with the trolls in this channel.
[20:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> Daghdha: *shrug* it happens.
[20:16] <Rexodus> cat /dev/random > #ubuntu or somting like that..
[20:16] <IdleOne> also keep the non support chatter out of here
[20:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> IdleOne: not trying to, thought they had a legit issue, sorry.
[20:16] <Kitt3n> What if no one is requesting help?
[20:16] <holstein> ntzrmtthihu777: dont be sorry.. just /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> holstein: nah, I'm here to help, lol. and I thought I was :P
[20:17] <Kitt3n> But then you have to switch channels :P
[20:17] <bazhang> !ot | Kitt3n
[20:17] <dailyginger> So, if I was able to fix my Chromium/feedly problem by uninstalling and reinstalling Chromium, is there any need to report a bug?
[20:17] <maslowbeer> so I installed gnome 3.8.2 and ran into some problems with theming it with 13.04 so decided to uninstall. I basically did the apt-get purge on gnome-* and tons of others and mostly have it back with unity working as expected. However, apport keeps firing up with countless errors including apport itself, software-updater and others. Is there a dpkg-reconfigure type magic command I can use to get everything back to 13.04
[20:17] <maslowbeer> stock?
[20:18] <holstein> dailyginger: you can if you want.. but i would try and find someone else to confirm the issue
[20:18] <bazhang> maslowbeer, from the ppa?
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> dailyginger, chromium is from a ppa no
[20:18] <maslowbeer> bazhang, yes
[20:18] <bazhang> ppa-purge maslowbeer
[20:18] <dailyginger> I install Chromium through the Software Center...
[20:18] <bazhang> !ppa-purge
[20:18] <maslowbeer> bazhang, I did that as well
[20:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> maslowbeer: very very bad action. even on non-gnome systems there are many gnome-* packages.
[20:19] <bazhang> maslowbeer, that PPA has a ton of warnings attached, and PPA are not supported at any rate
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> dailyginger, Hmm, I thought it was a ppa.
[20:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> maslowbeer: you should try installing ubuntu-desktop, this will re-install *most* default thinguses.
[20:19] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777 bazhang  I did the ppa-purge but there were still tons of relics of gnome, like the icons in the notification area, login screen, etc.
[20:19] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777, ok I'll try that
[20:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> maslowbeer: you're trying to get back to unity, right?
[20:20] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777, yes which is back running ok except for all the apport errors popping up
[20:20] <wilee-nilee> !tab | -dailyginger-
[20:20] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777, shold I dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop or force reinstall, etc.?
[20:20] <dailyginger> ubottu, I think I got it.  ?
[20:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> maslowbeer: what you need to realize is unity *is* gnome, with the unity compiz plugin *ontop* of gnome.
[20:21] <dailyginger> ugh
[20:21] <wilee-nilee> dailyginger, You tag the other not yourself
[20:21] <Mongoose> I've been starting to learn Python today.  I can run simple Python programs in Idle, but how do I get them to run in Ubuntu itself?  The book I'm using only gives instructions for Windows.
[20:21] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777, got it. the relics I noted where 3.8.2 gnome relics not the unity gnome. they're all gone now and everything appears to be ok, with the exceptions I've noted
[20:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> maslowbeer: you  do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop this will get you alotta stuff back, but idk about removing the gnome stuffs.
[20:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> Mongoose: python script.py ?
[20:22] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777, I'll give that a shot now and report back. thanks!
[20:23] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777, ubuntu-desktop is already the latest version. should I force or reconfigure?
[20:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> maslowbeer: there should be a --reinstall option for apt-get, methinks.
[20:23] <dailyginger> Thank you all for your help. I'm off to drink some water and nurse this headache.
[20:25] <maslowbeer> ntzrmtthihu777, trying now
[20:26] <japrrpaj> reisio: but don't you find it weird than it runs smoothly on linux and not windows? I suspect it's an hardware problem: can this be possible?
[20:27] <reisio> japrrpaj: it can easily be that Ubuntu has drivers expecting your hardware, and your XP install media has not
[20:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> japrrpaj: honestly no. if what changes is the software and the output is different, then it must be a software issue. now if the problem existed in both os's, then its a hardware issue.
[20:29] <paranoid_ndroid> reisio: excellent hypothesis, I'll try installing the correct windows version. But don't you find weird that it gets slow in virtualbox?
[20:29] <reisio> paranoid_ndroid: no, virtualized usually means slower
[20:31] <paranoid_ndroid> reisio: yes, but not slow as in 3 minutes to open a windows explorer window
[20:31] <paranoid_ndroid> reisio: but in ubuntu everything runs smoothly
[20:31] <reisio> paranoid_ndroid: mmm
[20:32] <paranoid_ndroid> reisio: this is one of the weirdest thigns and I've worked IT
[20:32] <reisio> it doesn't sound that weird yet :)
[20:32] <Kitt3n> Indeed
[20:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> paranoid_ndroid: should it really surprise you then, having worked it, that a linux variation works better than windows?
[20:35] <Kitt3n> ntzrmtthihu777, XD
[20:36] <paranoid_ndroid> ntzrmtthihu777: not at all. Already commented it: Ubuntu works even with faulty hardware >>>> Windows
[20:37] <Kitt3n> paranoid_ndroid, Ubuntu can't run if the hardware breaks though :P Buut yah Linux > Windows.
[20:37] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[20:38] <Kitt3n> what
[20:40] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm looking for a current ubuntu member to sponsor me for membership. If you can help, please pm me. Thanks.
[20:41] <IdleOne> Seven_Six_Two: that isn't a support question and off topic for this channel
[20:43] <kalaka> .
[20:43] <bazhang> kalaka, stop that
[20:43] <kalaka> sorry, it's not intentional
[20:43] <irreverant> any know about the firefox os?
[20:45] <mmercer> hey guys, is there something special that needs to be done to control sysctl values on ubuntu, even as root, I cannot disable oom-killer, I am getting perm denied errors
[20:46] <mmercer> standard permissions on /proc/sys/vm/* as expected, root:root 644
[20:47] <kalaka> so if you go sudo echo "0" > /proc/sys/vm/oom-kill, you get a permission denied error?
[20:49] <mmercer> ive explicitly logged into su -
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> mmercer: Why?
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> !su
[20:50] <mmercer> SonikkuAmerica: im well aware of what sudo is for.  this is how it was setup prior to my arrival
[20:50] <mmercer> im wtill working on cleaning up permissions on these machines, but right now i need to stop oom-killer from killing some of our batch processes, and if root itself cant do that, thats a problem
[20:51] <mmercer> s/wtill/still
[20:51] <Vinnie_win> I have installed qtcreator into my home directory. How do I permanently add its icon to the side dock?
[20:51] <SonikkuAmerica> mmercer: Still you shouldn't be logged in as root
[20:51] <reisio> Vinnie_win: install it via software center instead
[20:51] <Vinnie_win> reisio: But it comes with its own installer...
[20:51] <mmercer> SonikkuAmerica: ... im not the one that set these machines up, im just the one that has to clean up the mess
[20:51] <reisio> Vinnie_win: only if you obtain it incorrectly :)
[20:51] <SonikkuAmerica> mmercer: Ah.
[20:51] <mmercer> my prior manager is the one that explicitly used root for everything.  thats one of the first changes i have to make later :)
[20:52]  * mmercer is going to be using ldap soon enough, but for now needs to fix oom-killer first
[20:52] <reisio> Vinnie_win: tracking down an installer and having it install whatever it likes anywhere it likes on your system is a Windows thing
[20:52] <Kitt3n> mmercer, if root can't do the job, just boot up a livecd and do the work from there?
[20:52] <reisio> Vinnie_win: on GNU/Linux what you do is say 'hey package manager, install this', and then you're done
[20:52] <Vinnie_win> reisio: Did I mention I'm a Windows developer?
[20:52] <reisio> Vinnie_win: I could tell :)
[20:52] <FileCarver> Hi there
[20:52] <reisio> hi file
[20:52] <kalaka> how about changing the overcommit ratio, mmercer?
[20:53] <mmercer> Kitt3n: ... on a server... that implies killing the machine and all running processes, mounting the fs, and forcibly overwriting, which doesnt even begin to expose what the underlying the issue is
[20:53] <mmercer> kalaka: thats how im trying to do it
[20:53] <Kitt3n> mmercer, oh, a server.
[20:53] <mmercer> echo "2" > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio
[20:53] <mmercer> returns perm denied
[20:53] <mmercer> same for using the sysctl command interface
[20:54] <mmercer> since this is just a linux distro in the end, it should be adhering to standard practice.  root should have explicit rights to set the kernel parameters
[20:54] <FileCarver> is anyone present who knows a bit about PPPoE-Server and the concerning client?
[20:54] <mmercer> im curious if a reboot would even fix it, perhaps there is some sort of glitch somewhere
[20:54] <kalaka> what about changing the sysctl config file?
[20:55] <Kitt3n> mmercer, perhaps a reboot then if that doesn't work, livecd as it sounds like a weird root bug
[20:55] <kalaka> echo "vm.overcommit_memory=2" >> /etc/sysctl.conf, then reboot?
[20:56] <mmercer> i wonder....
[20:56]  * mmercer thinks he knows why
[21:02] <mmercer> i have a feeling this has to do with these being openvz instances, and openvz doesnt actually use a kernel, so im assuming that it inherits the properties from the hypervisor itself (never used openvz until now... and im starting to hate it already )
[21:03] <reisio> lxc is an alternative, couldn't tell you if it's "easier"
[21:05] <TauNeutrino> hey
[21:05] <reisio> hey
[21:05] <TauNeutrino> How can I merge unallocated space in gparted?
[21:05] <TauNeutrino> and change the position in the list
[21:06] <platzhirsch> I can't install anymore with apt-get install. I receive dpkg: error processing linux-generic (--configure). Does that sound familiar. Googled solutions have not helped so far
[21:06] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, have you tried rebooting?
[21:06] <platzhirsch> Errors were encountered while processing:  linux-image-extra-3.8.0-25-generic,  linux-image-generic, linux-generic <-- which I cannot remove
[21:07] <platzhirsch> Kitt3n: sure, I had that problem for some time, it's not new
[21:07] <paranoid_ndroid> reisio: It even got very slow when copying the win files, during installation
[21:07] <Kitt3n> TauNeutrino, that's a big pain to do, you can't merge unallocated space by yourself
[21:07] <kalaka> no errors shown after that, platzhirsch ?
[21:07] <paranoid_ndroid> reisio: I can't believe it's a driver's problem
[21:07] <reisio> paranoid_ndroid: I can't get very interested in it, Windows is always slower IME
[21:07] <TauNeutrino> hm -.-
[21:07] <reisio> whether it was slightly less slower previously for you doesn't matter so much to me
[21:07] <reisio> and it really shouldn't to you, either
[21:07] <paranoid_ndroid> but is gets *very* slow
[21:08] <paranoid_ndroid> and in ubuntu works fine
[21:08] <platzhirsch> kalaka: I can give you the complete output
[21:08] <kalaka> just after the line "Errors were encountered while.."
[21:08] <platzhirsch> kalaka: http://pastebin.com/EdBMKLw0
[21:09] <platzhirsch> wait what... gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[21:09] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, you should always read the error logs first :p Do you actually have space on your partition?
[21:09] <platzhirsch> Kitt3n: of course, 55 GB
[21:10] <Kitt3n> Okay, I have no idea.
[21:10] <reisio> paranoid_ndroid: ask #windows
[21:10] <platzhirsch> the only partition crowded is at /boot where I only have 13,1 MB
[21:10] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, that might be a problem.
[21:10] <paranoid_ndroid> thank you all
[21:10] <platzhirsch> Kitt3n: I didn't thought I have to touch it at all
[21:10] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, why do you even have a /boot partition?
[21:11] <deeplloyd> hi, i am trying to start clamav-daemon with
[21:11] <deeplloyd> "service clamav-daemon restart"
[21:11] <platzhirsch> Kitt3n: Ubuntu 13.04 installed it that way
[21:11] <deeplloyd> and it is failing on the start
[21:11] <tdn> I am about to install a new server on which I plan to use RAID1, LVM, and LUKS/dm-crypt. In what way should I layer this? physical > RAID1 > LVM > LUKS, or physical > RAID1 > LUKS > LVM, or something different?
[21:11] <deeplloyd> syslog contains nothing useful. Can somebody give me a suggestion?
[21:11] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, what, the default install shouldn't add a /boot partition.
[21:11] <platzhirsch> Kitt3n: hmpf, great
[21:11] <platzhirsch> I have no idea how that slipped in
[21:12] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, perhaps boot up GParted livecd, and shrink your / partition and add to the /boot partition? :)
[21:12] <platzhirsch> Kitt3n: if this is all I need to do I will happily :D
[21:12] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, I don't *know for sure* but it might be worth a try :)
[21:13] <platzhirsch> Kitt3n: ah, I think you get /boot if you choose home directory encryption which I have
[21:13] <Kitt3n> Oh, right, yah.
[21:13] <deeplloyd> ah shit just noticed /var/log/clamav/clamav.log saying "ERROR: daemonize() failed: Cannot allocate memory"
[21:13] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, well, it's either a space problem or a bug I don't know about.
[21:15] <deeplloyd> should 217 mb be enough for the clam-avdaemon ?
[21:17] <TauNeutrino> I guess I can merge the it when I create two partitions out of the unallocated space. But the problem is, I already have 4 partitions, one is an extended
[21:17] <Kitt3n> TauNeutrino, any partition inside an extended partition isn't a primary partition, so you're not limited to 4
[21:18] <TauNeutrino> but the unallocate one isnt in the extended
[21:18] <TauNeutrino> so I have 3 plus 1 extended, and one portion of unallocated space
[21:18] <LoRez> I'm having trouble with some kickstarting of ubuntu precise.  everything works, but the time it takes between net-retriever verifying the signatures and anna printing debug messages from the resolver is 16 minutes, every time.
[21:19] <Kitt3n> TauNeutrino, just shrink the / partition a like..100 MB and add to your /boot partition, that sound work fine?
[21:20] <FileCarver> some PPP specialists here?
[21:20] <Kitt3n> TauNeutrino, perhaps crash your / partition, but eh.
[21:20] <TauNeutrino> I have no boot partition
[21:20] <TauNeutrino> lol
[21:20] <TauNeutrino> or I can another
[21:21] <Kitt3n> Dang it
[21:21] <andornaut> anyone know how to change the X mouse cursor size? I've tried setting a "Size = 16" option in /etc/X11/cursors/<theme> but that hasnt worked
[21:21] <Kitt3n> Yaaah, I mixed you up with another guy, sorry!
[21:23] <kalaka> I cannot figure out ubuntu's versioning on launchpad
[21:25] <vadimkolchev> hi all. try to install lubuntu on a 512 mb ram machine with 445 mb of ram free and installer crashes. However, it is intended to be run on at least 348 mb as it is stated in docs. Why is it so?
[21:25] <reisio> vadimkolchev: possibly or reasons unrelated to ram
[21:26] <vadimkolchev> reisio, i don't think so, live desktop runs ok, a little slow to start from usb, but fully loads and is responsive
[21:26] <reisio> vadimkolchev: that doesn't really prove anything... about ram or otherwise
[21:27] <reisio> vadimkolchev: are you using a CD?
[21:27] <vadimkolchev> reisio, i'm using usb stick, do not have spare cds to burn now
[21:27] <reisio> ok, how'd you put the install image on the usb stick?
[21:28] <vadimkolchev> reisio, with dd
[21:28] <reisio> do you have another usb stick?
[21:28] <crazyeagle> hi I am a bit unexperienced, I installed ubuntu 12.04 and got it running well but to start I installed in a smaller hd now I cloned with clonezilla to a larger drive and want to migrate my /home directory (which is encrypted) to a new larger partition
[21:28] <vadimkolchev> reisio, installer crashes at last step when I have to create user
[21:28] <crazyeagle> tried using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[21:28] <vadimkolchev> reisio, so i was able to partition my drive, create needed mount points, set timezone and so on
[21:28] <reisio> crazyeagle: and?
[21:29] <crazyeagle> then this guide http://askubuntu.com/questions/17332/how-can-i-move-an-encrypted-home-directory-to-another-partition
[21:29] <reisio> crazyeagle: and?
[21:29] <platzhirsch> kalaka Kitt3n: Just in case you are interested, I had a bunch of linux kernel headers/images installed. Removing old ones is a proposed solution
[21:29] <kalaka> platzhirsch, thats what i figured :)
[21:30] <crazyeagle> but when I try to compare folders (diff -r) there are a lot of issues
[21:30] <crazyeagle> well differences
[21:30] <crazyeagle> any ideas reisio:
[21:30] <reisio> crazyeagle: for example?
[21:30] <Kitt3n> platzhirsch, you should keep one old kernel around
[21:30] <kalaka> yeah, keeping the last known working kernel is the usual recommendation
[21:30] <Kitt3n> Yah.
[21:31] <Kitt3n> I had two kernels stop working once due to AMD
[21:31] <duskye> Anyone here experienced with openbox?
[21:31] <duskye> or tint2 rather
[21:31] <crazyeagle> diff: /home/ecryptfs/user/.Private/ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWaxs etc etc
[21:31] <reisio> duskye: try #polls
[21:31] <Ari-Yang> platzhirsch, it's recommended to at least have 2, 1 that you know is stable, and the other is what you're using. I currently have 6 (including the one I'm using, which is a mainline), the other 5 are from ubuntu's repo
[21:31] <Ari-Yang> using mainline to take advantage of the new amd power management
[21:31] <platzhirsch> Ari-Yang: I see
[21:32] <reisio> crazyeagle: okay, but can you boot the system and use the encrypted filesystem normally?
[21:32] <Kitt3n> Ari-Yang, fun I can't use the mainline one, no AMD driver support
[21:32] <crazyeagle> the original yes
[21:32] <reisio> crazyeagle: what about the new?
[21:32] <tux_> hey, me again
[21:32] <Ari-Yang> Kitt3n, what driver are you using? fglrx (propietary)?
[21:32] <reisio> hey again
[21:32] <crazyeagle> Yes the new hd boot sees fs as normal now I want to move it to a new partition I mean the /home dir
[21:32] <tux_> lol ok I had another nick sry
[21:32] <reisio> crazyeagle: so what's stopping you?
[21:32] <Kitt3n> Ari-Yang, the latest beta from amd.com
[21:33] <Kitt3n> Ari-Yang, I need that for Minecraft so I don't get 1 fps
[21:33] <Ari-Yang> Kitt3n, ah. tbh the fglrx driver is horrible. Horrible 2d acceleration ;/
[21:33] <Ari-Yang> ah
[21:33] <crazyeagle> clearly not explaining myself reisio
[21:33] <reisio> indeed
[21:33] <Kitt3n> The open source driver gives me 1 fps in Minecraft, so eh
[21:33] <reisio> I'll bbl
[21:33] <crazyeagle> well cloned my hd booted from it
[21:34] <crazyeagle> step 2 though well move /home dir
[21:34] <Ari-Yang> Kitt3n, yes, the proprietary drivers won't work with the mainline kernel, only open source. though you might be able to compile it for the mainline.
[21:34] <crazyeagle> step 3 created new partition
[21:34] <Ari-Yang> Kitt3n, with the new power management I don't think you'd have a problem using the open source driver...
[21:34] <Kitt3n> Ari-Yang, I honestly don't care, I've had enough fatal problems for a lifetime
[21:35] <Ari-Yang> Kitt3n, ah, fair enough.
[21:35] <crazyeagle> anyone has move thei encrypted home dir to a new partition?
[21:36] <tux_> Ok my problem: I have 3 partitions + 1 extended partition and 1 little piece of unallocated space. I can move the space to the boot(root) partition. But I get a scary message that the system might not start anymore, because of some boot sector thing. How can I get rid this little unallocated space? -.-
[21:36] <crazyeagle> I though it was gonna be easier
[21:37] <Kitt3n> tux_, is it 1 mb?
[21:37] <mmercer> yep.  found the cause.  openvz inherits the kernel parameters of the host since they are just containers.
[21:37] <mmercer> fixed :)
[21:37] <tux_> no it's like 480 mb
[21:37] <tux_> it was a swap partition
[21:38] <Kitt3n> tux_, yah, the first 1 mb is the boot sector, you shouldn't mess with that.
[21:38] <Kitt3n> tux_, You should be able to move the rest of the unallocated space though
[21:38] <tux_> hhm you think I can ignore the warning?
[21:39] <Kitt3n> tux_, Well, your fault if you can't boot your computer anymore, even though it's easy to run Boot-repair from a livecd! :)
[21:39] <tux_> -.-
[21:39] <trueneu> 480Mb is not much anyway. IMO.
[21:39] <Kitt3n> Yup.
[21:39] <tux_> I have already two system, so I can fix one with another :)
[21:40] <tux_> hhm
[21:40] <tux_> GOD I hate such things
[21:40] <tux_> should I do it or not?
[21:40] <trueneu> If you mess your boot sector, you won't be able to boot any. Grub or whatever you use will never start.
[21:40] <tux_> ok hm, another idea?
[21:41] <Catalystic> MBR
[21:41] <Kitt3n> The best solution is to ignore it.
[21:41] <Catalystic> MBR virii
[21:41] <tux_> hhm
[21:41] <trueneu> You shouldn't, why all the fuss about 0.5 Gb of disk space that costs less than a dollar?
[21:42] <Kitt3n> Which is why we have EFI and GPT :3
[21:42] <Kitt3n> No silly MBR
[21:42] <tux_> hm yes, and I don't want to risk the other systems
[21:42] <tux_> hmpf or damage them somehow
[21:42] <Catalystic> kitte thats great for virii
[21:42] <Kitt3n> Catalystic, ????
[21:42] <trueneu> Yeah, MBR is as old as a mammoth's poop.
[21:43] <Catalystic> now we can have them for distribution only
[21:43] <tux_> lol
[21:43] <Kitt3n> trueneu, yah, but there's one good thing about it, the grub for bios doesn't have a buggy install script
[21:44] <Catalystic> just to get ridd of outdated hardwaer that no body should use anyumore
[21:44] <Kitt3n> Funny..the last school I went to ordered new computers from Dell with EFI, but didn't use EFI. Kinda says something about how known it is to people
[21:45] <trueneu> I should have more experience with EFI, it feels.
[21:45] <Kitt3n> trueneu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1178534 all the experience you need. :D
[21:46] <Catalystic> you know that what makes ftuff more dificult for virii usually makes them also harder for regular usage
[21:46] <Catalystic> think anti virii
[21:46] <Kitt3n> Catalystic, Nah, not true. :p EFI is easy to use.
[21:46] <Catalystic> its?
[21:46] <Catalystic> tis?
[21:46] <deeplloyd> ok thanks for all your help guys. you helped me solve this one!
[21:47] <trueneu> Thanks, Kitt3n.
[21:47] <Kitt3n> trueneu, no problem? :P
[21:47] <Kitt3n> trueneu, I just wish someone would figure out why that bug appears for some people and plug it.
[21:48] <trueneu> Looking at the last message in that bugreport, I assume this is not very hard, Kitt3n.
[21:48] <Catalystic> a friend of mine tells me ubuntu is taking linux and running away with it
[21:49] <trueneu> Who? Where? Linux is still here.
[21:49] <Catalystic> like android
[21:49] <Catalystic> ....
[21:50] <xangua> !ot | Catalystic
[21:50] <TauNeutrino> someone tried this firefox os??
[21:50] <TauNeutrino> lol ok
[21:51] <sliddjur> What is the top-right bar called?
[21:51] <TauNeutrino> bar
[21:51] <TauNeutrino> jk :)
[21:52] <keyring> hello, I'm looking for a way to change the default keyring password using the command line in 13.04. When I go to user accounts it denies the change, I dont think I have the right permissions
[21:52] <sliddjur> is there not a default function when i double click an icon (eg dropbox) to open dropbox dir? when i doubleclick it just opens menu two times (treated as two indivudual clicks)
[21:52] <Kitt3n> trueneu, I posted that last comment, so anyone else having the stupid bug can just quickfix it and move on with their lives.
[21:53] <keyring> password is correct of course.
[21:53] <lightapp> hey so im having a weird issue
[21:53] <Kitt3n> !ask | lightapp
[21:53] <lightapp> i downloaded a game called MegaGlest
[21:54] <trueneu> Kitt3n, :D I see. If I happen to have a spare UEFI system, I'll dig it up.
[21:54] <lightapp> ok Kitt3n
[21:54] <Kitt3n> trueneu, would be awesome.
[21:54] <lightapp> everytime i run megaglest, the gui gets rly messe up afterwards
[21:54] <lightapp> once its closed that is
[21:55] <lightapp> !patience | lightapp
[21:55] <trueneu> Almost done with my weekly tasks at work anyway.
[21:57] <MikeRL> Hello. After extensive work with a GNOME developer, I have traced a bug making vino unusable to being Ubuntu specific. I will offer a bounty for it of $20.  Can someone help me find what's causing the bug, and possibly assign it?
[21:57] <crazyeagle> some days ago I saw a how to on putting all my config and programs on a file as backup I cannot find it now, anyone has seen it
[21:58] <MikeRL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668
[21:58] <MikeRL> If anyone can patch it, I promise a reward.
[21:59] <XLV> several ubuntu installs fail to update today.. any problem with the main servers?
[21:59] <MikeRL> XLV: Have you tried pinging them?
[22:00] <wheatthin> what were the actual errors?
[22:01] <MikeRL> Can someone help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668 ?
[22:04] <ShadowBlaze18> Hello, music won't play without third party software right?
[22:04] <MikeRL> Depends on the format.
[22:05] <ShadowBlaze18> How about iTunes music?
[22:05] <MikeRL> Is it DRM protected?
[22:05] <Kitt3n> >Apple, probably needs Apple codecs.
[22:05] <ShadowBlaze18> I'm not sure
[22:06] <delinquentme> whats the octal equivalent for : Make your credential files private: chmod go-rwx ~/.ec2/*.pem
[22:06] <delinquentme> go-rwx
[22:06] <Kitt3n> ShadowBlaze18, Best bet would be to run it through an audio converter to ogg or another free format
[22:06] <MikeRL> Search the Software Center for Ubuntu Restricted Extras.
[22:07] <xangua> ShadowBlaze18: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras      installs audio/video codecs, adobe flash plugin, openjdk, etc.
[22:08] <MikeRL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668 Help triaging and assigning this bug? VNC is unusable for me...
[22:09] <trueneu> delinquentme, 700, I guess.
[22:10] <trueneu> It actually depends on what owner permissions are. Sounds like it's either 700 or 600.
[22:10] <phpwn> join hello
[22:10] <phpwn> hello*
[22:10] <phpwn> I messed something up and installed "resolvconf" using apt-get
[22:10] <phpwn> then I removed it
[22:11] <phpwn> and it wiped my resolv.conf file.. I've added the nameservers back into the file but I can't ping any domain
[22:11] <phpwn> any suggestions?
[22:12] <ShadowBlaze18> Kitt3n and MikeRL I looked up the format in Windows 7
[22:12] <trism> MikeRL: you might try to run: apport-collect 1196668; though I don't know if that will grab the .crash file. the problem is the crash needs retracing since it is crashing in FreeUPNPUrls () from /usr/lib/libminiupnpc.so.8 but you don't have symbols for it
[22:12] <ThinkT510> !resolvconf | phpwn
[22:12] <trism> MikeRL: if that doesn't attach and try to retrace you might need to file a new bug with: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/crashfilename;
[22:12] <trism> MikeRL: though you could ask in #ubuntu-bugs someone might be able to fix it up for you
[22:12] <fesener_> Hey everyone, is it possible to activate touchpad driver for msi ge60 on ubuntu ?
[22:12] <ShadowBlaze18> Alright, thank you
[22:12] <ShadowBlaze18> Bye
[22:13] <phpwn> i'm using 10 (lucid) not 12.04 though
[22:13] <MikeRL> trism: I thought I done that. Did you check the attachment?
[22:13] <trism> MikeRL: yes the attachment is there, but that attachment needs to be retraced on launchpad with all the symbols so the devs can see where in the function it is crashing (with what arguments as well)
[22:14] <MikeRL> trism: What packages should I install so enough info displays?
[22:14] <phpwn> !resolv.conf
[22:16] <Novarg> is there any way to revert the skype tray behavior to 'normal', i.e. have left click activate the main window?
[22:16] <trism> MikeRL: you don't need to install any packages, just try the apport-collect bugnumber; command, and if that doesn't work, open a new bug with: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/crashfilename; so it gets uploaded and processed properly
[22:16] <trism> MikeRL: but again, you could also ask in #ubuntu-bugs and someone with sufficient permission may be able to work around it
[22:18] <phpwn> hrm.. I've installed resolvconf again but still can't ping anything
[22:18] <KaZeR_W> i'm trying to build a preseed file but some parameters are not applied (like hostname, which is quite annoying)
[22:18] <KaZeR_W> i always end up with a server named 'ubuntu'. does someone knows how to fix that?
[22:19] <phpwn> ~# ping google.com
[22:19] <KaZeR_W> phpwn: me?
[22:19] <KaZeR_W> oh no sorry
[22:19] <KaZeR_W> :)
[22:19] <MikeRL> trism: Thanks.
[22:21] <unicornjedi> hello?
[22:22] <Catalystic> hi
[22:22] <unicornjedi> is this where I go to get help?
[22:22] <KaZeR_W> unicornjedi: don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[22:22] <MikeRL> trism: It only uploaded Dependencies.txt.
[22:23] <jcrza> Anyone know if there's a Marvell 88W8797 driver yet?
[22:23] <unicornjedi> :D finally I need some help booting my ubuntu 13.10 os
[22:23] <jcrza> surface pro wifi won't work without it
[22:24] <wilee-nilee> 13.10 | unicornjedi
[22:24] <wilee-nilee> !13.10 | unicornje
[22:24] <unicornjedi> yes?
[22:24] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, #ubuntu+1 is 13.10
[22:25] <apb1963> KaZeR_W: hostname <newhost.domain.com>
[22:25] <trism> MikeRL: yeah then you probably should just do a new bug report and then mark the old one invalid: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/crashfilename;
[22:26] <KaZeR_W> apb1963: yes thanks bu my point is to have a preseed to build a bunch of hosts, automatically
[22:26] <MikeRL> trism: Yeah I'll do that and report back.
[22:26] <apb1963> KaZeR_W: /etc/hosts
[22:26] <unicornjedi> what about saucy salamander?
[22:26] <KaZeR_W> apb1963: could you elaborate please?
[22:26] <apb1963> I like my salamandar in a white sauce
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, 13,10 is saucy
[22:27] <apb1963> KaZeR_W: edit /etc/hosts
[22:27] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, THis channel actual releases up to 13.04 saucy is in development So on #ubuntu+1
[22:28] <unicornjedi> ooh
[22:28] <ausxxh> hostname -->myhost, hostname -f -->localhost?
[22:28] <ausxxh> hostname -a -->myhost.mydomain
[22:28] <KaZeR_W> apb1963: the preseed documentation states that you can use d-i     netcfg/get_hostname     string to set it up ( sometimes netcfg/hostname ) but none of them works
[22:28] <ausxxh> why 'hostname -f' is localhost?
[22:28] <ausxxh> checked /etc/hosts could not find anything wrong
[22:29] <unicornjedi> do you think you can still help me wilee-nilee?
[22:29] <unicornjedi> its not booting because dev/mapper/root-ubuntu-vg does not exist
[22:29] <unicornjedi> then it drops me into (initramsfs)
[22:30] <unicornjedi> this all happened after I installed mdadm
[22:30] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, Dude you are on the wrong channel for help go to #ubuntu+1
[22:31] <unicornjedi> ok
[22:31] <motaka2> loading a php I encounter Class 'Sol\Conf\Conf' not found in /var/www/currentweb/NoonDreams/en.noondreams/Confs/Confs.php on line 12   on ubuntu but not on windpws or freebsd. I really am confused
[22:33] <groktar> weirdness -- i installed kubuntu using wubi from the kubuntu install disk, and then uninstalled.  now wubi from the unbuntu disk only gives me option of kubunu.  any idea what that's about?
[22:35] <SonikkuAmerica> groktar: Is your disc still in the drive? If so, eject it!
[22:35] <SonikkuAmerica> groktar: Then reboot
[22:35] <motaka2> loading a php I encounter Class 'Sol\Conf\Conf' not found in /var/www/currentweb/NoonDreams/en.noondreams/Confs/Confs.php on line 12 on ubuntu but not on windpws or freebsd. I really am confused
[22:36] <SonikkuAmerica> groktar: Oh wait...
[22:36] <groktar> :p
[22:36] <SonikkuAmerica> groktar: It does that because you have to run it using the --force-wubi option to install inside Windows. It's no longer supported anymore though.
[22:37] <iongraphix> welcome ixio2
[22:38] <groktar> i mean, it installed fine.  i even installed normal ubuntu with wubi a few times, no issues.  it was only after i installed kubuntu that it started acting weird.  was thinking there was maybe something in the registry or appdata, but i didn't have any luck finding anything.  i'll try that flag tho
[22:40] <slylock105> hey
[22:41] <slylock105> hello guys i am having some trouble  running sql quries. I dont know how to pass a an argument to an mysql script
[22:41] <slylock105> can anyone help me please
[22:41] <slylock105> thanks
[22:41] <apb1963> KaZeR_W: Where is the link for that page?
[22:42] <KaZeR_W> apb1963: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-using.html
[22:43] <iongraphix> with mysql
[22:43] <iongraphix> QUERY slylock105
[22:44] <MikeRL> trism: We have a problem. Even when uploading a new bug, apport only uploads the dependencies. What should I do to get it to upload everything?
[22:45] <trism> MikeRL: even passing the crash file on the command line?
[22:45] <MikeRL> trism: How would I do that? ubuntu-bug vino
[22:45] <trism> MikeRL: no I said: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/crashfilename
[22:46] <MikeRL> trism: Oops. Let me try again. Derp.
[22:46] <lauratika> a very odd issue with workspaces, it shows 4 workspaces but then i can only select 2, because 2 are split into four and there for i have 8 but i can only select 4 spaces total. this launch application randomly to spaces i cant select from the work space selector so i cant see them on desktop i have to drag them from one space to another then they show up. any idea what can be the mistake?
[22:46] <trism> MikeRL: which would be /var/crash/_usr_lib_vino_vino-server.1000.crash judging by the other bug report
[22:47] <morph3k> hey
[22:47] <morph3k> how do i zip/tar a directory
[22:47] <morph3k> in CLI
[22:47] <MikeRL> trism: Thanks. Deleted the old crash file since I can easily reproduce it. Trying again.
[22:47] <KaZeR_W> morph3k: tar cvfz archive.tgz folder
[22:48] <HankMccoy> hi i'm a noob that wants to learn...
[22:48] <bigoldrock> our IT dept is talking about using an MS solution (Active Directory) for SSO. What's our answer to this ... (choke/gag) suggestion. We're 80% mac 12% MS and 8% linux laptops here
[22:48] <HankMccoy> I have been running Ubuntu for like 3 months
[22:48] <bigoldrock> It would be nice to know what twitter, google, facebook, etc. use
[22:48] <MikeRL> Tell them all about the joys of Windoze 8.
[22:48] <raub> bigoldrock: AFAIK you can make linux auth against AD
[22:49] <raub> It is after all dlap+kerberos+mokeys
[22:49] <bigoldrock> I know, but I don't want to depend on MS for our auth
[22:49] <yown> I got a digital camera I am trying get a picture off of via usb cable, but my ubuntu isn't seeing it
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> yown, what camera, has it ever worked, did you confirm it would work on a linux setup?
[22:50] <raub> At work we use linux for kerb and ldap, but at th elocla univ they shoved AD into the entire campus
[22:50] <bigoldrock> would you want to depend on MS for everything you sign into at work? oh no... another bluescreen on the server, hold on ... nobody can log into anything for 15 minutes while it reboots
[22:50] <apb1963> KaZeR_W: Take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/218965  &  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606636#42   ...  And also the last two (shaded) paragraphs of this https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/preseed-advanced.html   I have no idea if it will work... caveat emptor
[22:50] <KaZeR_W> thanks apb1963
[22:50] <raub> bigoldrock: There is a point you should just shrug and be a team player
[22:51] <raub> And let it catch fire
[22:51] <k1l_> !ot | bigoldrock
[22:51] <bigoldrock> that could be now, it's possible
[22:51] <bigoldrock> k
[22:51] <KaZeR_W> apb1963: i have already seen and tried the first link, doesn't work for me
[22:51] <morph3k> ty KaZeR_W
[22:51] <Enich> I have a question and i am not exactly sure how to ask/explain but i will try.    I have a shellscript, which uses either source file.cfg or   . file.cfg      to include some configurations... if i execeute the script like . script.sh   it works fine with the source command,  if i do a bash script.sh   the source command also works.   Now i want to execute this script when a usbkey is inserted and i have made a udev rule using the RUN+="/path/script.sh"   ..wh
[22:51] <Enich> en i do this, it does not work.   now the question.. how do i figure out how the udev deamon executes the script.   i have checked $SHELL and it runs as bash it seems..or well the shell is bash.. and the user is root
[22:52] <yown> wilee-nilee: Its a fuji finepix f660exr, and I don't know how I could verify whether it is compatible with linux or not, but at least the usb connection should be detect, even if getting pictures off of it via that usb connection would be tricker
[22:52] <MikeRL> trism: No web page opens after I send the error report.
[22:52] <raub> yown: try another usb device and see if it mounts?
[22:52] <raub> dmesg?
[22:52] <raub> lsub?
[22:53] <raub> lsusb Imean
[22:53] <MikeRL> try mtpfs
[22:53] <yown> raub: Well usb flash drives usually work
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> yown, I found this thread might be helpful. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1452203
[22:53] <HankMccoy> ok how about something to read like Ubuntu for noobs?
[22:54] <MikeRL> and mtp-tool
[22:54] <iFlip> Can anyone help with pftop syntax? I want to run states filter on established connections
[22:54] <MikeRL> and mtp-tools
[22:54] <MikeRL> It's in the default repos.
[22:55] <MikeRL> mtp-tools also can connect newer Android phones to Ubuntu. Works well with Raring. Might want to add your own PPA cause the older versions gave me trouble prior to Raring.
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> !manual | HankMccoy
[22:56] <MikeRL> trism: Still on the line? Take your time.
[22:58] <HankMccoy> thanks but i already am familiar with the OS I mean like getting into the terminal commands and since there is no antivirus software how about manual virus defense...
[22:58] <reisio> HankMccoy: there is antivirus software
[22:58] <HankMccoy> I miss malwarebytes
[22:58] <reisio> but last time I mentioned it I was banned from this channel
[22:58] <HankMccoy> really like what ?
[22:59] <reisio> HankMccoy: I'll pm you :)
[22:59] <HankMccoy> that's ok
[22:59] <reisio> too late
[22:59] <k1l_> HankMccoy: you dont need antivirus software like you do on windows machines
[22:59] <wilee-nilee> !av
[22:59] <MikeRL> I personally wouldn't use an antivirus. But I could see the purpose if you had a high-value server that people would wanna hack into.
[22:59] <reisio> or if you ever give Windows users files...
[22:59] <MikeRL> Let them BSOD. No issue with that.
[23:00] <k1l_> HankMccoy: viruses dont work on linux. but there are still security issues with other programs like java etc.
[23:00] <reisio> MikeRL: :/
[23:00] <yown> wilee-nilee: I tried that, but it is not seeing the device, perhaps I need the camera plugged in during boot?
[23:01] <MikeRL> Just kidding. I lost track how many Windows machines I've had to fix.
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> yown, I found virtualy nothing on the web other than that thread on that camera, so not sure to be honest.
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> that camera and ubuntu that is
[23:02] <MikeRL> OK so I cannot get ubuntu-bug or apport-cli to upload a full stack trace. Only dependencies and some other trivial info is uploaded. No stack trace. So what can I do?
[23:03] <yown> wilee-nilee: But in general, sometimes you have to have USB devices connected during bootup for ubuntu to detect them?
[23:03] <trism> MikeRL: I don't really have any other ideas if it won't upload it
[23:03] <MikeRL> trism: Should I go to ubuntu-bugs
[23:03] <trism> MikeRL: someone there would probably have a better idea
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> yown, NOne of mine are between 5 usb flash or 3 hard drives, but those are standard units using ext4 or ntfs partitioning.
[23:04] <MikeRL> trism: Thank you for all your help. I will get to that ASAP.
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> ot fat32
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> or*
[23:05] <yown> wilee-nilee: Hmm? A usb flash drive should be formated in fat32 from what I understand
[23:05] <wilee-nilee> yown, Almost all are of mine except a W8 loaded for installs it is a ntfs.
[23:05] <wilee-nilee> the HD's ore ext4 and ntfs
[23:06] <wilee-nilee> a usb device can be formatted as almost anything depends on the use.
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> yown, You may have a mto setup or need drivers or it just does not work in linux, who kn ows.
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> mtp*
[23:07] <yown> What is mtp?
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> !mtp
[23:08] <yown> Nothing appeared
[23:08] <wilee-nilee> yown, It is a partitoning setup, for example my nexus 7 is mtp.
[23:08] <MestreLion> is there any way to enable the empty trash sound?
[23:08] <reisio> MestreLion: heheh
[23:08] <wilee-nilee> android device are mtp, not so much partitioning actually but how its read.
[23:08] <yown> wilee-nilee: You mean not a FS?
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> FS?
[23:09] <MestreLion> reisio: i'm serious. i just installed 12.04 in my mother's desktop, and she was in lovo with Ubuntu thanks to the.... Trash empty/full display
[23:09] <yown> wilee-nilee: File System, like fat32 or ext4
[23:10] <MestreLion> she said the icon was "so cute", and she's actually having *fun*  dragging files from nautilus to trash just to see the icon change from full to empy
[23:10] <reisio> heheheh
[23:10] <wilee-nilee> yown, Not sure how your using the question, those are called partitions as well as file systems.
[23:10] <reisio> MestreLion: I don't personally know if there's a built in thing for audio, you could hack it a number of ways
[23:10] <wilee-nilee> or partition types
[23:10] <MestreLion> so I wonder... where did the empty trash sound went? Is it gone? is there a way to re-enable it?
[23:11] <reisio> MestreLion: if it used to be there, it probably left with GNOME 3
[23:11] <bimbo_> does anyone know if valve supports 64bit yet?
[23:11] <MestreLion> I remember each "system sound", like log in, log out, alert, etc was configurable back in Lucid I guess
[23:11] <yown> wilee-nilee: No, partitions and FS are two different things, even if they are very related
[23:11] <reisio> MestreLion: different DE
[23:11] <wilee-nilee> yown, OTAY, lol
[23:11] <reisio> MestreLion: if you can find the process that is run to empty the trashcan, you can modify it to add a sound
[23:12] <reisio> MestreLion: or you might check https://extensions.gnome.org/ sometime when it isn't down
[23:12] <MestreLion> reisio: I don't mind messing with dconf/gsettings and/or /usr/share/sounds.... does nautilus at least *try* to play a sound?
[23:12] <wilee-nilee> not hardly related to your problem, welcome to ignore
[23:12] <reisio> MestreLion: sorry I don't know, I assume if your sound works and you don't get a sound, it does not
[23:13] <MestreLion> reisio: maybe it's simply a matter of adding a sound file with a pre-determined name and location, and it will play
[23:14] <reisio> MestreLion: I sure hope it isn't
[23:14] <reisio> that reminds me of Android <shudders>
[23:14] <Martijn-NL> Ubuntu, Kubuntu or Xubuntu? =D
[23:14] <Es0teric> can someone tell me how to customize the prompt for guest OS? as in when someone SSH's
[23:14] <MestreLion> reisio: i noticed there are quite a few system sounds at /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo  , including "trash-empty.oga"
[23:15] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: Ubuntu, default Unity
[23:15] <yown> So anyone here know about what mtp is?
[23:15] <reisio> MestreLion: ask apt-file about it
[23:15] <MestreLion> reisio: why not, that's how icon themes work
[23:15] <MestreLion> humm, good idea
[23:16] <MestreLion> sound-theme-freedesktop
[23:16] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: Cool, why?
[23:16] <MestreLion> why what?
[23:16] <reisio> MestreLion: maybe it's something the tweak tool covers
[23:17] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: I'm using Ubuntu for PHP/MySQL development purposes..
[23:18] <poke_> hi there
[23:20] <reisio> hi poke_, bye poke_
[23:20] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: As you know, there are a lot Linux distro's on the internet, for example: Ubuntu, CentOS, Debian, FreeBSD etc. etc.
[23:21] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: You choose Ubuntu, why? What is the main difference?
[23:21] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: I assumed you were asking me what I use
[23:21] <MestreLion> to help me on my sound issue
[23:23] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: Lol awesome. Did Ubuntu not recognise your soundcard or something?
[23:23] <MestreLion> As for why I use it... 5-year support, ease of use, sane defaults
[23:23] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: It does, sound works great... I'm trying to enable the "Empty Trash"  sound
[23:24] <MestreLion> for development purposes, the distro/DE you choose is mostly irrelevant
[23:25] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: You're meaning, if you're cleaning the recycle bin.. you want to hear the clear sound?
[23:25] <MestreLion> you'll need a terminal a a good editor/IDE, period
[23:25] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: exatcly
[23:26] <MestreLion> distro choices, specially DE, are more important in case of general use desktop installs, file management, application association, notifications, "control panels", etc etc
[23:27] <j2daosh> anyone ever setup snmp to receive logs from a dd-wrt router?
[23:29] <rinzler> hellloooo people
[23:29] <orangerobot> there's a link on this page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java) pointing me to download a script from a dutch website in order to download and install java on my machine. is this safe?
[23:29] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: I'm searching the internet for your problem, but i can't find a solution now...
[23:30] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: yeah, google didn't help me either, that's why I came here
[23:30] <MestreLion> I'm not sure if that feature was entirely removed from nautilus after gnome 3
[23:30] <thinknow> how to give a user privilegies to start vpn in terminal without beeing root?
[23:30] <Martijn-NL> MestreLion: Is it a major problem for you?
[23:31] <Kitt3n> orangerobot, install OpenJDK
[23:31] <Es0teric> how do you customize the prompt for guest OS? as in when someone SSH's
[23:31] <orangerobot> Kitt3n: how do i remove the current installation in order to reinstall everything?
[23:31] <Kitt3n> !details | orangerobot
[23:32] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: nope, but it would my mother extremely thrilled.... she was amazed by the trashcan behavior, and believe me or not, that recycle bin was a *major* selling point for her in the transtion from windows
[23:32] <reisio> orangerobot: just reinstall
[23:33] <reisio> orangerobot: oh java :)
[23:33] <reisio> pardon
[23:33] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: I have also installed the OpenJDK. Why is Ununtu prefering OpenJDK instead of the original JAVA? There will be also a replacement for the .NET Framework, named Mono, but that haves not all features in it?
[23:33] <MestreLion> orangerobot: reboot with a CD/USB live, select "Install Ubuntu"  and choose "wipe everything" :)
[23:34] <MestreLion> oh, he means java only, sorry
[23:34] <Kitt3n> Martijn-NL, Mono is .NET on Linux (and Mac I *think*) Microsoft's .NET runtime only works on Windows. If you wanna know the difference between OpenJDK and Oracle, google why Oracle is a bunch of a**holes.
[23:34] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: because for Java 7  OpenJDK *is* the official one
[23:35] <reisio> ^
[23:35] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: Lol, i see...
[23:35] <MestreLion> Oracle states that OpenJDK is the reference implementation for Java 7 onwards
[23:35] <reisio> you'd be doing yourself a favor by abandoning all this proprietary tech
[23:35] <orangerobot> Kitt3n: I've just downloaded and run a script from a link provided on an official ubuntu help page. That script downloaded and installed the latest JRE but, upon browsing to my internet bank account, i get told that the browser plugin is out of date but, upon trying to upgrade it, i just get sent to java's download page.. which is a little baffling, seeing as i have just downloaded the...
[23:35] <orangerobot> ...latest JRE... so I'd like to double check that the link on the official ubuntu help page is reliable
[23:35] <reisio> orangerobot: uhhhh
[23:36] <kourpa> I am having a problem with my graphics, at times it runs as if nothing if wrong but clicking around anywhere or anything makes weird graphics issues come up, I am using ubuntu 13.04 on a HP Pvailion g6. Not really sure what to do.
[23:36] <reisio> if your bank site is using Java™, you need a new bank
[23:36] <j2daosh> Es0teric: modify the motd file
[23:36] <reisio> seriously
[23:36] <MestreLion> Martijn-NL: besides, Oracle's JDK is proprietary, so no point making it the default when there is a suitable, free alternative
[23:36] <Kitt3n> I agree with reisio
[23:36] <Es0teric> j2daosh the motd file does that? so you're saying i can just put in what i want the prompt to look like in my motd.tail file?
[23:36] <reisio> I mean it'll probably still be massively insecure even if it doesn't use Java™, but not using it is an _immense_ step in the right direction
[23:37] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: I like the .NET Framework very much, especially the C# language. It's a pitty, that it's not full supported on Ubuntu. JAVA is a good replacement...
[23:37] <orangerobot> reisio: perhaps later on... right now I just want to make sure that links given on an *official* help page is reliable (as i think it is)
[23:37] <MestreLion> btw, i've never seen any real application, from banking sites to minecraft, have any issue using OpenJDK
[23:37] <j2daosh> Es0teric: motd is displayed when you SSH in. so whatever message is there will be displayed
[23:37] <phunyguy> There used to be some issues, but not recently
[23:37] <Kitt3n> MestreLion, I get like..500 fps with OpenJDK so yaaaah
[23:37] <Es0teric> j2daosh alright, i'll try that... thanks
[23:38] <j2daosh> Es0teric: np
[23:38] <MestreLion> 500 fps in... minecraft?
[23:38] <reisio> orangerobot: if it's an official help _wiki_ I'm afraid all bets are off :)
[23:38] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: I think Ubuntu is a lot faster to serve pages then a Windows machine...
[23:38] <kourpa> I am having a problem with my graphics, at times it runs as if nothing if wrong but clicking around anywhere or anything makes weird graphics issues come up, I am using ubuntu 13.04 on a HP Pvailion g6. Not really sure what to do.
[23:39] <MestreLion> orangerobot: there is no *official* way to install Oracle's Java, apart from downling it directly from Oracle's website
[23:39] <wheatthin> kourpa, what graphics card?
[23:39] <orangerobot> this is the link by the way http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en MestreLion reisio
[23:39] <reisio> orangerobot: what makes you think that is official?
[23:39] <MestreLion> this not surely not an official one
[23:40] <MestreLion> orangerobot: there is no *official* way to install Oracle's Java, apart from downloading it directly from Oracle's website
[23:40] <Kitt3n> OpenJDK, the latest is in Ubuntu repo, easy one command install.
[23:40] <orangerobot> i got that link from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[23:40] <MestreLion> anything else is user-made scripts and packages that can help automating the task
[23:40] <Martijn-NL> orangerobot: A long time ago, haha.... i have installed the original JAVA version from Oracle. I have removed it - and installed the OpenJDK version. It works absolutly perfect....
[23:40] <kourpa> Radeon 7400 I believe
[23:40] <orangerobot> Kitt3n: Martijn-NL can I just install open jdk on top of this jre install i've got?
[23:41] <wheatthin> kourpa, radeon or proprietary fglrx drivers?
[23:41] <phunyguy> orangerobot: that should be fine
[23:41] <Kitt3n> orangerobot, yes, OpenJDK will overwrite it
[23:41] <Martijn-NL> orangerobot: Yes, that's possible.
[23:42] <kourpa> I haven't a clue.
[23:42] <phunyguy> if for some reason you need to, you can always "update-alternatives java" (IIRC)
[23:42] <orangerobot> and just a last question: if i install jdk, will JRE come as well?
[23:42] <wheatthin> kourpa, hmm then neither do I
[23:42] <phunyguy> to pick which java is used, openjdk or oracle
[23:42] <Kitt3n> orangerobot, yup
[23:42] <wheatthin> kourpa, if it's default, then radeon drivers from xorg are being used
[23:42] <MestreLion> orangerobot: unless you have a strong reason that you're *sure* you need *Oracle's* java instead of OpenJDK, just stick with the defaults provided by software center
[23:43] <Martijn-NL> orangerobot: Yes, what will you develop?
[23:43] <wheatthin> kourpa, What are your system specifications?
[23:43] <Kitt3n> kourpa, you can check by opening the software sources program and going to the drivers tab
[23:43] <Martijn-NL> orangerobot: That's a lot of valueble information from Kitt3n =P
[23:44] <Ryan_L_WIlliams> Hello guys, can you helpme
[23:44] <orangerobot> Thank you all Martijn-NL Kitt3n MestreLion phunyguy
[23:44] <Kitt3n> !ask | Ryan_L_WIlliams
[23:44] <sadf> hi
[23:44] <sadf> need help please
[23:44] <reisio> okay
[23:45] <MestreLion> orangerobot: the easiest way I know of installing all the needed java, including JRE, JDK and the browser plugin, is:
[23:45] <Kitt3n> !ask | sadf
[23:45] <kourpa> Sorry it's a little hard navigating with these glitches. Erm lets see, this says i am using Radeon HD 7520G
[23:45] <sadf> UBUNTU UNITY many messages "debconf'" and icon dynamic in left panel
[23:45] <sadf> what is it?
[23:45] <sadf> i afrad
[23:45] <sadf> afraid
[23:45] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: What is your relationship with Ubuntu? Are you a developer? =D
[23:45] <MestreLion> orangerobot: sudo apt-get install default-jdk icedtea-plugin
[23:46] <xangua> sadf: sounds like you were installing something
[23:46] <Kitt3n> Martijn-NL, Nah, I am just a newbie :3
[23:46] <phunyguy> sadf, do you have a native language?
[23:46] <phunyguy> err what is your native language**
[23:46] <MestreLion> orangerobot: that will install java 6 in 12.04, and java 7 on later ubuntus
[23:47] <sadf> i install smplayer in ubuntu market now
[23:47] <MestreLion> orangerobot: if you want to specify java 7 (or 6), you can type:
[23:47] <Kitt3n> kourpa, I highly suggest you download the linux driver from AMD.com that is compatible with your card and use that ;)
[23:47] <kourpa> Cool thanks, I'll give that a go.
[23:47] <sadf> "Debconf on computer_name"
[23:48] <MestreLion> orangerobot: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk icedtea-7-plugin
[23:48] <sadf> message in left panel many times
[23:48] <sadf> cry
[23:48] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: I started with Ubuntu 6.0 which I got from a friend years ago... It's very cool to see the difference between years ago and nowadays...
[23:48] <MestreLion> orangerobot: these 2 packages will bring in all the dependencies they need....
[23:48] <orangerobot> MestreLion: thanks
[23:48] <sadf> heey what do?
[23:49] <Kitt3n> Martijn-NL, I started with ubuntu 10, I think ;p
[23:49] <phunyguy> sadf, what is your native language?
[23:49] <sadf> help
[23:49] <sadf> i know enlwsh
[23:49] <phunyguy> sadf, please help me to help you
[23:49] <MestreLion> Kitt3n: 10.04? Yeah, Lucid was awesome... and still the best netbook edition of all times thanks to that gorgeous fullscreen menu
[23:49] <phunyguy> sadf, what is your native language?
[23:49] <sadf> u undestand me?
[23:49] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: I'm using it as an OS. I don't develop for it.
[23:49] <sadf> this message
[23:50] <sadf> in left panel
[23:50] <phunyguy> !ot MestreLion, Kitt3n
[23:50] <sadf> what is it?
[23:50] <phunyguy> !ot | MestreLion, Kitt3n
[23:50] <phunyguy> sadf, I am afraid I don't understand your question.
[23:51] <phunyguy> and you aren't understanding what I am asking you.
[23:51] <Kitt3n> sadf, Can you perhaps take a screenshot of the problem and upload to imagebin? :)
[23:51] <sadf> i see icon in left panel with message
[23:51] <mike1776> Hello.  Where are the help files located?  I would like to create a help file, and place it in the proper place, and have it be opened by yelp.  I can;t seem to find anything on this online.  Thanks in advance.
[23:51] <phunyguy> sadf: what does the message say?
[23:51] <sadf> "Debconf on 'computer_name'"
[23:52] <phunyguy> sadf, what version of ubuntu are you on?
[23:52] <sadf> Debconf on comp1
[23:52] <sadf> comp1 - name of computer
[23:52] <sadf> 12.04
[23:52] <sadf> lts
[23:52] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: Wow... 1:52h
[23:52] <phunyguy> thank you.   sadf, have you tried to install from terminal?
[23:52] <Kitt3n> Martijn-NL, ????
[23:53] <Ryan_L_Williams> I want to make sure that MSOffice 2010 + wine is completey gone out off myLaptop
[23:53] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: It's 1:53h here in the night, hahaha
[23:53] <asdasdasda> hi..i have a ubuntu problem ..can anyone help me?
[23:53] <sadf> i installed in terminal synaptic
[23:53] <phunyguy> !ask | asdasdasda
[23:53] <Kitt3n> !ask | asdasdasda
[23:53] <Kitt3n> Hey! :o
[23:53] <Martijn-NL> Kitt3n: See ya
[23:53] <Kitt3n> Martijn-NL, bye! :)
[23:53] <asdasdasda> i am on ubuntu server 13.04 and deleted the sources.list file withoud any backup
[23:53] <MestreLion> mike1776:  you're looking for gnome-doc files. Start here: https://developer.gnome.org/gnome-doc-make/unstable/migrating.html.en
[23:53] <phunyguy> sadf, please try to install the software that is giving an error in terminal, and pastebin the output
[23:54] <phunyguy> !paste
[23:54] <asdasdasda> and apt does not work
[23:54] <sadf> no
[23:54] <MestreLion> mike1776: and read documentation about gnome-doc-utils
[23:54] <sadf> i not install in terminal now
[23:55] <sadf> ubuntu software center now work
[23:55] <sadf> smplayer inslalling
[23:55] <phunyguy> sadf... ????
[23:55] <sadf> there are bugs?
[23:55] <sadf> fak
[23:55] <Peyam> Hi, Im trying to get the temperature from core 1,2,3,0 but the conky command doesnt work. any suggestion http://pastebin.com/6sdYcQkN
[23:55] <sadf> Ubuntu software Center
[23:55] <sadf> i now install SMPlayer
[23:55] <phunyguy> sadf, so you have no issues?
[23:55] <k1l_> !ru | sadf maybe you get better help in your native language
[23:55] <sadf> and see these messages
[23:56] <sadf> what this message?
[23:56] <sadf> what mean?
[23:56] <phunyguy> /headdesk
[23:56] <phunyguy> (sorry)
[23:56] <MestreLion> sadf: upload and post a screenshot
[23:56] <Kitt3n> '^
[23:56] <sadf> how
[23:57] <asdasdasda> is there a way to wget the sources.list files and put in my apt folder ?
[23:57] <sadf> aaaaaaaaaaa
[23:57] <sadf> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[23:57] <MestreLion> sadf: hit the "PrtScn"  key (or similar) on your keyboard
[23:57] <sadf> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[23:57] <sadf> cry
[23:57] <FloodBot1> sadf: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:57] <sadf> panel crashed
[23:57] <sadf> i not see it now
[23:57] <kourpa> I downloaded the driver from AMD.com it gave a .run file, unsure what to do with it.
[23:57] <Kitt3n> OH well.
[23:57] <mike1776> MestreLion, thanks, i will
[23:58] <MestreLion> asdasdasda: you could take a default one from a brand new install
[23:58] <phunyguy> asdasdasda: perhaps someone can pastebin you the proper contents?
[23:58] <mike1776> MestreLion, i have been reading 'man yelp' as well
[23:58] <Kitt3n> kourpa, open a terminal and uninstall the default xorg ati driver, don't restart, then open a new terminal and cd to the amd driver .run file and type "sudo ./<name of file> --force"
[23:59] <mike1776> MestreLion, I always thought  they were html files and yelp was like a browser
[23:59] <Kitt3n> kourpa, then a nice installer will pop up just like they do in Windows. :)
[23:59] <asdasdasda> i am running ubuntu server 13.04 in a virtual machine.. i don't know if i have acces to usb / any other device .. except internet
[23:59] <mike1776> interesting
[23:59] <MestreLion> mike1776: man yelp is not really helpful... yelp is simply a viewer
[23:59] <kourpa> Alright than thanks Kitt3n
[23:59] <Kitt3n> asdasdasda, reinstall?
[23:59] <MestreLion> mike1776: its exactly like that
[23:59] <asdasdasda> no..