=== yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 saucy in archive, raring in beta ppa, quantal in staging PPA | 4.10.5 ninjas/raring testing | 4.10.4 in raring-updates | 13.10 Alpha 1 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj [00:22] !testers | 4.10.5 is ready for testing in ninjas (raring) [00:22] 4.10.5 is ready for testing in ninjas (raring): Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. [00:22] I only did a dependency check so far [00:22] quantal and precise will follow later === me_ is now known as apachleogger_ === apachleogger_ is now known as apachelogger_ === jono is now known as Guest55880 === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [05:33] Howdy [06:01] Anybody know where I can find QApt docs (if there are any)? [06:16] good morning [06:16] manchicken: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/introducing-qapt-and-the-muon-package-manager/ [06:16] look at the bottom of that for more info [06:17] sorta casual, but better than nothing, right? [06:22] No doubt. [06:37] hello all === shrinivasan is now known as shrini [06:38] i installed kubuntu 13.04 [06:44] Riddell: I am ready with kubuntu 13.04 [06:57] Doesn't seem like QApt deals with sources. [09:24] anybody there? [09:24] i am fixing the issue 665632 [09:24] how to push the changes to the mainstream? [09:24] Riddell: hello [09:34] shrini: is that in bugs.kde.org or lauchpad? [09:35] Riddell: I'm using a quantal instance, plz don't shut down that one :) [09:36] ( ec2 quantal instance ) [09:38] shadeslayer: launchpad [09:38] it is a kubuntu bug - little spell error only [09:38] can you give me a diff [09:39] oh [09:39] I know [09:39] shrini: branch the bzr branch, commit your fix, push it to launchpad and ask for a merge [09:39] please use bzr commit --fixes lp:665632 when committing [09:44] shadeslayer: how to send you the diff? [09:45] ok [09:45] will do the commit [09:45] i committed in my junk folder [09:45] https://code.launchpad.net/~shrini/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [09:46] what to do now? [09:46] shadeslayer: ^^^ [09:46] shadeslayer: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shrini/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/revision/64 [09:47] this my commit [09:47] shadeslayer: hope you can see the diff there [09:48] sec phone [09:50] shadeslayer: okey [09:54] bug 665632 [09:54] bug 665632 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu: Grammar in OpenOffice,org slide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665632 [09:54] hi Riddell [09:54] yes [09:54] that is what i am working on [09:55] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shrini/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/revision/64 [09:55] lovely :) [09:55] shrini: check if https://code.launchpad.net/~shrini/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu has a link called "Propose merge" [09:56] shadeslayer: no such link [09:56] Do i need to be a project member to apply for merge? [09:56] applied for project [09:56] waiting for project approval [09:57] ooh agateau back on ubiquity fixing [09:57] I think that's because you have +junk [09:57] Riddell: :) [09:57] plz push to lp:~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [09:57] shadeslayer: what to do now? [09:57] ok [09:57] agateau: can you have a look at my merge proposal as well :P [09:57] agateau: the most serious ubiquity problem is that it doesn't work from the arm images, I'm not sure what that mode is called [09:58] oem? [09:58] shadeslayer: sure, do you have the url? [09:58] agateau: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/ubiquity/+merge/172045 [09:58] shadeslayer: pushing there now [09:58] shadeslayer: similar but oem mode works fine [09:58] oh [09:58] there's *another* mode? :O [09:58] shadeslayer: why we mention the project name two times? [09:58] Riddell: sounds difficult to debug without proper hardware [09:59] Riddell: or is it doable with qemu [09:59] shrini: it's usually : lp:~username/project/branch_name [09:59] shadeslayer: ok [09:59] * agateau is expecting super powerful laptop to be delivered in a few hours, should make those kind of things possible [09:59] agateau: I'm not sure, xnox any thoughts how to start it up in that mode? [09:59] it seems it is pushing entire code [09:59] why it is not pushing only the changeset? [09:59] because it's a new branch [10:00] i think bazaar works this way [10:00] ok [10:00] nope, git works the same way [10:00] Riddell: well it's same as boot CD - on the human icon, click Esc, select "Install now" [10:00] aka ubiquity-dm installer [10:00] shadeslayer: is there any page that explains the process of contributing via lp? [10:00] so that i can share to all my friends [10:01] https://help.launchpad.net/Code/QuickStart [10:02] shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [10:03] here it is [10:03] it has the text "propose for merging" [10:03] Branch merges [10:03] Propose for merging [10:03] click that [10:04] Just add a small description of the change and hit "propose merge" [10:04] xnox: hmm that also works fine so must be more fiddly, I'll load up an arm image and look around [10:04] shadeslayer: done [10:04] shadeslayer: :-) [10:05] shrini: did you use --fixes when commiting? [10:05] shadeslayer: yes. i dif [10:05] i did [10:05] awesome [10:05] gah [10:05] why are there so many unmerged revisions [10:05] https://code.launchpad.net/~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+merge/172992 [10:06] shrini: where did you get the code from :S [10:06] and how are you on rev 64 when everyone else is on 564 @_@ [10:06] how to check that? [10:06] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=64&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 64 | removed a bug in --enable-debug [10:07] shrini: where did you get the code from? [10:07] from the project page only [10:07] which one? [10:07] is there any command to show it? [10:08] I think you branched it from here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/saucy [10:08] which is the wrong repo [10:08] yes [10:08] please branch from lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [10:08] ok [10:08] shall i start it from scratch? [10:08] change files there, commit, bzr push --overwrite lp:~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [10:09] shrini: that, or you could just apply the diff [10:09] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shrini/+junk/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/diff/64 [10:09] download the diff ^ [10:09] then use patch -p1 < /path/to/diff inside the branched folder [10:13] shadeslayer: do we need to run the build scripts? [10:13] build scripts? [10:13] make scripts? [10:15] I have no idea [10:18] ok [10:18] I got the existing repo [10:18] shall i directly change the files? or do I need to create a new branch for fixing this issue? [10:20] huh? [10:20] branch repo -> hack hack hack -> overwrite your personal branch with new repo [10:21] ok [10:21] hmm odd [10:21] yofel: The following packages have been kept back: [10:21] kdesdk [10:21] for quantal [10:25] shadeslayer: I pushed to lp:~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [10:25] shadeslayer: please check it [10:25] shall i ask for merge? [10:27] I don't think it's there [10:27] https://code.launchpad.net/~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu still says rev 64 [10:27] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=64&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 64 | removed a bug in --enable-debug [10:28] ScottK: Riddell any objections to removing akonadi-facebook from seeds since it's in kdepim-runtime now? [10:28] bzr push --overwrite lp:~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [10:28] Enter passphrase for key '/home/shrinivasan/.ssh/id_rsa': [10:28] Pushed up to revision 64. [10:28] wrong repo much? [10:28] i did overwrite as you said already [10:28] it should push rev 565 [10:28] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=565&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 565 | Library changes for 27th July [10:28] ubottu: oh shut up [10:28] shadeslayer: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:29] haaha [10:29] shadeslayer: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu trunk [10:29] this is the command i used to get the code from lp [10:29] wrong branch much? [10:30] OMG [10:30] its lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [10:30] super [10:30] will do again [10:31] bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu trunk [10:31] running this command now [10:31] how to get the proper repo for any project? [10:31] trunk not needed, but whatever [10:32] each one is different [10:32] but usually it's lp:project-name [10:32] though not always [10:32] ok [10:32] for eg all kde / qt packaging is in lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/whatever [10:33] shadeslayer: that's staging upgrade test? [10:34] yofel: yeo [10:34] yep [10:34] still upgrading though [10:34] checking [10:34] ok [10:34] :S [10:34] yofel: you have so many ssh keys [10:35] https://launchpad.net/~yofel [10:35] lol, I have one per system ^^ [10:35] well, hardware system [10:36] heh [10:36] so which one should I copy to authorized_keys [10:36] the t510 one [10:37] Good afternoon. [10:37] oh well [10:37] launchpad just gave me all of them [10:38] yofel: ubuntu@ec2-54-227-86-93.compute-1.amazonaws.com [10:38] huh [10:38] kdesdk : Depends: kdesdk-strigi-plugins (>= 4:4.10.80) but 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1 is to be installed [10:39] uhm, can it be that you didn't backport meta-kde? [10:39] I did [10:39] er no [10:39] yeah, otherwise that wouldn't happen [10:40] hm [10:40] it wasn't backported for some reason [10:41] yeah [10:41] I don't see it in raring as well [10:42] Riddell: how do you vnc into the machine? [10:43] btw. please also backport amarok from the beta ppa and upload a digikam rebuild as I did for raring [10:44] * yofel should've written that down somewhere [10:44] kay [10:44] shadeslayer: start vncserver [10:44] oh, that's it? awesome [10:44] shadeslayer: yes go ahead and remove akonadi-facebook from the seeds [10:45] Hi all [10:46] !testers | 4.10.5 is ready for testing in ninjas (raring) [10:46] 4.10.5 is ready for testing in ninjas (raring): Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. [10:46] I only did a dependency check so far [10:46] (as I got 0 feedback so far) [10:47] yofel: will check on ec2 in a bit [10:47] thanks [10:50] :( [10:50] yofel, I'll be logging on to raring later today , I'll upgrade then [10:50] Riddell: I can't start it for some reason [10:51] oh [10:51] shadeslayer: start what? [10:51] shadeslayer: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed? [10:52] shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/fix-for-665632 [10:52] yep, was using the wrong display number [10:52] shadeslayer: got the rev no 565 now [10:52] :-) [10:53] yofel: I can test this afternoon. [10:53] 4.10.5 on Raring that is. [10:53] ok, thanks folks [10:54] eh [10:54] channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused [10:56] * shrini going for a coffee [10:56] shadeslayer: propsed for merge [11:00] oh [11:00] Riddell: do I have to ask Amazon to open ports or sth? [11:07] yofel, i can test it on pc here @ work [11:13] yofel, 4.10.5 is in your ninja ppa ? [11:16] grrr [11:16] Riddell: seriously, how does one get this to work -.- [11:18] can someone take a look: http://pastebin.com/JBzQeryj [11:18] gah [11:18] should i care about apport-kde and kdelibs5-plugins ? [11:19] silly ports [11:19] hm [11:19] soee: what happens when you type : sudo apt-get install kdelibs5-plugins [11:20] shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/3VC2RrcF [11:20] yofel: are you backporting kdesdk-strigi-plugins ? [11:23] ruh roh [11:23] soee: that doesn't look good [11:23] :< [11:24] shadeslayer: hi. is there any update for me? [11:26] shrini: please discard https://code.launchpad.net/~shrini/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+merge/172992 [11:26] everything else looks good in the new MR [11:27] soee: what does apt-cache policy [11:27] erm [11:27] soee: what does apt-cache policy kdelibs5-plugins say [11:27] shadeslayer: I deleted that merge request [11:28] thx [11:28] shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/s95D9SM7 [11:29] wait what [11:29] soee: did you add the ninjas PPA? [11:29] thanks for the support [11:29] shadeslayer, yes the one belongs to yofel [11:29] did you apt-get update? [11:30] yes [11:30] because it should say ninjas there somewhere [11:30] but it does not [11:30] shadeslayer: who will merge this? [11:30] hm wait it looks like its not active [11:31] shrini: someone who has time and commit access [11:31] shadeslayer: awesome [11:31] thanks for the patience [11:31] I will blog the process i followed [11:31] so that me and others can follow [11:32] shadeslayer, ok now only apport-kde is stopped [11:32] also i have info about missign pub key for this ppa [11:33] right ? [11:33] yeah, though you can add the sig [11:33] just a second [11:33] testing it on ec2 [11:35] soee: sudo gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv b2c30b9a0945a8e2 [11:36] shadeslayer, ok now gpg warning is missing [11:37] and apport-kde stopped, can i do dist-upgrade ? [11:38] what does sudo apt-get install apport-kde say? [11:39] soee: ^^ [11:40] shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/vmjjRUvM [11:41] okay, seems safe [11:41] I don't think it's a KDE upgrade issue [11:41] so ignore this one do upgrade [11:41] shadeslayer: still stuck on vnc? [11:42] Riddell: nah [11:42] I just didn't know how to do things [11:42] shadeslayer: get it to work? [11:42] yep [11:42] lovely [11:42] just need to backport one package [11:42] and then 4.10.90 for quantal will be ready [11:46] !info kdesdk-strigi-plugins saucy [11:47] kdesdk-strigi-plugins (source: kdesdk-strigi-analyzers): software development file format plugins for Strigi Desktop Search. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.90-0ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 17 kB, installed size 107 kB [11:47] why that is super odd then [11:53] shadeslayer: what's off? [11:53] shadeslayer: what's odd? [11:53] Riddell: kdesdk-strigi-analyzers wasn't backported to quantal [11:53] not sure why [11:54] * shadeslayer listens to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k [11:55] Turnabout Jazz Soul - Track 8 - Godot - The Fragrance of Dark Coffee now I want dark coffee [11:55] hah [11:56] kubotu: order coffee for Riddell [11:56] * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to Riddell. [12:01] yofel, upgrade 4.10.4 => 4.10.5 done, no errors [12:01] (raring) [12:17] Riddell: can you try and click something in systemsettings using vnc over ubuntu@ec2-67-202-12-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com [12:17] Riddell: password is aa55aa [12:17] port 5901 [12:18] can't click a single thing [12:18] Riddell: on the topic of ubiquity, while I am at it, any particular bug you would like me to look at? [12:42] agateau: slideshow in oem mode? [12:42] it doesn't work [12:42] doesn't show at all [12:42] so probably that's something needing to keep it installed rather than code in ubiquity [12:43] Riddell: didn't we investigate this before raring release? [12:43] iirc it was a missing package [12:43] agateau: yeah, and the fix I thought would work didn't seem to work [12:43] so it's your juridiction :) [12:43] but yeah it is mine [12:44] agateau: there's stuff like adding a wifi setup page as features [12:44] agateau: there's a wiki page xnox has somewhere which would be nice to have screenshots on [12:44] shadeslayer: added 3 more similar modifications [12:44] thanks for your guidance shadeslayer [12:44] cool [12:45] Riddell: regarding wifi, didn't you start it shadeslayer? [12:45] nope [12:45] did not start hacking on wifi [12:45] shadeslayer started the take a photo page [12:45] and then the gtk installer dropped [12:45] +it [12:45] but wasn't sure if we wanted it, I don't know if gtk side has that one [12:45] so I lost the motivation to merge it [12:46] bug 1195255 [12:46] bug 1195255 in casper (Ubuntu) "No ubiquity on Kubuntu Netbook desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195255 [12:46] also not really a fix in ubiquity [12:46] agateau: were you going to look at the theme to make it a bit less like suse? [12:47] shadeslayer: oh ok [12:47] bug 1164239 is the arm issue [12:47] Riddell: yes, will probably look at this as well [12:47] bug 1164239 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity does not start on kubuntu 13.04 arm image" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164239 [12:47] shadeslayer: oh ok, I was confused [12:48] bug 1171099 is the thing where we need it to run some reconfiguration before rebooting, that might be an ubiquity issue [12:48] bug 1171099 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu Saucy) "kubuntu - plymouth not shown" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171099 [13:05] shadeslayer: wrt VNC, are you seeing kde 320459 maybe? [13:05] KDE bug 320459 in core "Unreliable input shaping in vnc" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320459 [13:06] yofel: nope, just wasn't connecting to the right port [13:06] vnc started on vnc :4 [13:06] I kept trying on :1 [13:06] I meant the clicking in systemsettings [13:06] ah] [13:06] yes [13:06] seems like it] [13:07] :/ [13:07] I canc click and open apps [13:07] yofel: fwiw 4.10.5 upgrade went smooth [13:07] yeah, the window borders are usable, the window contents aren't [13:07] yofel: btw afiestas_ is proposing http://community.kde.org/KDE_Core/ReleasesProposal [13:07] looking [13:09] this is... interesting [13:12] yofel, I have , 4.10.90 on my raring install ...seems fine so far [13:14] shadeslayer: hm, I'm a bit worried about that schedule wrt. 14.04, though we'll probably be able to shove in 4.13.2 just before final freeze [13:14] the shorter support timeframe is also something worrysome [13:15] yofel: the .4 and .5 releases are optional [13:15] and not completely eliminated [13:15] if someone backports fixes, then we'll get .4 and .5 [13:15] true [13:16] Riddell: shadeslayer: http://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/how-did-i-fix-a-bug-in-kubuntu-installer/ [13:16] blogged my expereence there [13:16] thanks for your guidence [13:17] cool :) [13:17] shrini: though you don't need to branch another branch [13:17] once you branch it to trunk [13:17] you can just edit the files in trunk [13:17] shrini: cool, I might reblog that so it gets onto planet ubuntu [13:17] commit [13:18] and bzr push it to your branch on lp [13:18] anyway, gtg [13:18] yofel: Did I mention 4.10.5 is fine? [13:18] shadeslayer: yes you did [13:18] btw [13:18] Riddell: awesome [13:18] cool [13:18] Riddell: thanks a lot [13:18] shadeslayer: where did you get that proposal from? [13:18] read it once [13:19] shadeslayer: and thanks for testing ;) [13:19] and add comment in the blog if it needs any fix [13:20] yofel: just something that was tossed around in another channel, thought it'd be good to get more eyes on it from a distro PoV [13:20] ok, thanks [13:21] oh [13:21] http://download.kde.org/unstable/amarok/2.7.90/src/amarok-2.7.90.tar.bz2.mirrorlist we can publicly release as soon as mirrors show up. The release notes still need some love thought [13:21] cool [13:22] yofel: btw have you ever thought about putting things in kubuntu-ppa/backports in ubuntu backports? [13:22] kubotu: newversion amarok 2.7.90 http://download.kde.org/unstable/amarok/2.7.90/src/amarok-2.7.90.tar.bz2.mirrorlist [13:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1197804 [13:22] We have new Amarok! [13:23] \o/ [13:23] my day is complete :) [13:23] * shadeslayer nominates smartboyhw to package it since he's so excited [13:23] Give me an hour to whoosh out two guests and take a shower. [13:23] shadeslayer: specific applications would be possible, e.g. kdevelop, amarok, possibly some specific digikam versions [13:24] nah, I was talking about SC [13:24] smartboyhw: best to take gossip about your threesomes to -offtopic :) [13:24] the whole KDE SC would be impossible as the official backports require an rdep check [13:24] Riddell, threesomes!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?!? [13:24] enjoy [13:25] bah :| [13:25] we currently do that too, but very limited to our default or common kde apps [13:27] shadeslayer: how's 4.10.90 Q right now? Do you want to finish that? [13:27] yofel: it's done, d_ed promised to test [13:27] though another test won't hurt :) [13:27] k, from what I see amarok and digikam are missing. I'll do those later when I have time [13:28] * yofel goes and does write that on the pad [13:28] need to backport precise then [13:29] that'll be... fun [13:30] :P [13:30] yofel: shouldn't be too much of an issue I think [13:30] the things is...: boost [13:30] because I checked alot of the deps using rmadison and they were good enough for precuse [13:30] but lets see what happens [13:30] * smartboyhw shuts down so the computer can rest, been on for 12 hours to test XMir. [13:31] oh, how did it work for you? [13:31] Fairly crap, even on Unity I get two mouse pointers [13:31] lol [13:31] I think that's a feature [13:31] atleast I read about the 2 pointer thing in some release note document [13:31] sure, just like I had no mouse movement anymore :P [13:31] less movement distraction for the user [13:31] shadeslayer, srsly/ [13:32] :/ [13:32] I think the document said that the second moust cursor is stationary on the top left [13:32] oh that, yeah [13:32] that's freakin' annoying. But that's the current Mir watermark [13:33] better than nothing I guess [13:33] 'watermark' [13:35] can't they do a proper wartermark :P [13:36] shouldn't it be like simple? pushing the saturation of some predefined pixels up by one I'd imagine [13:36] there's supposed to be a proper one soon [13:36] kk [13:37] to me it just seems like getting two mouse cursors is more work than having a static pixel color value manipulation :P [13:38] apachelogger: I don't think it's 2 mouse cursors [13:38] more like one cursor + a static image or sth [13:38] it's a cursor icon in the top-left corner [13:49] "Subject: Kubuntu added you on Google+" I have no idea what that means [13:49] is there a user account called Kubuntu? [13:52] yeah, the one that's been there for quite a while already. Before they invented communities [13:52] looks like someone made one, yes https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts [13:52] should be a page not a person [14:05] ah dbusmenu autoresolved \o/ [14:05] * apachelogger retriggers frameworks [14:05] hurray [14:05] Guys, where's the bug number for amarok again? [14:06] 1197804 [14:06] Great, but let me update packages first [14:07] Bug 1197804 [14:07] bug 1197804 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Please update amarok to 2.7.90" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197804 [14:07] with a bit of luck kdelibs should be building again and this time without qt4 pieces [14:12] Hmm, a new beta version. This doesn't sound good. [14:14] Oh 4.10.4 testing already? [14:14] s/4.10.4/4.10.5/ [14:14] smartboyhw meant: "Oh 4.10.5 testing already?" === Squt is now known as Sput [14:26] Hmm, how to deal with this patch? [14:26] The code has changed in CMakeLists.txt [14:26] so the patch can't apply. [14:28] Actually, it was missing one line of code that was supposed to be - ed [14:33] Nobody? [14:41] which one? [14:47] yofel, um, debian_disable_qtscriptbindings_check_fix [14:47] .diff [14:48] Now, the MySQL one is even more interesting [14:48] There's a new thing called HINTS [14:52] hi, how to set qt4 to default instead of qt5 ? [14:52] tester56, for what? [14:53] I mean, you don't install qt4-default? [14:54] no because it removes ubuntu-sdk [14:54] tester56, ofc [14:55] is there a config file somewhere where i could choose the default one ? [14:55] * smartboyhw doesn't know [14:55] smartboyhw: debian_disable_qtscriptbindings_check_fix, that was splitted to 2 locations in CMakeLists.txt, so you'll have to renew the patch [14:55] * yofel gone, bbl [14:56] tester56, well but if you set qt4 as default, ubuntu-sdk wouldn't work anyway [14:56] Since ubuntu-sdk requires Qt5 [14:56] thing is : ubuntu sdk doesn't find qt5 anyway ... i have to manually point to qt5 ... [14:59] damn it, ubuntu sdk depends on qt5-default, despite this qtcreator sets qt4 default (facepalm) [15:39] shadeslayer: No. [15:39] Please do. [15:40] shadeslayer: Also, don't forget to file a package removal bug and do a kubuntu-meta upload. [15:44] Okay, dumb question: when in KDE land, why is « std::cerr << "somestringhere" » not printing to stderr? [15:46] apachelogger: We need to start using the latest QApt, or at least backport their changes in. [15:47] apachelogger: https://projects.kde.org/news/226 [15:47] Well, I thought JontheEchidna was responsible for packaging it... [15:48] I can code this stuff myself.... or I can use the thing that Jonathan Thomas coded. [15:48] Very possible. [15:48] Jonathan is usually on IRC. [15:48] Don't see him. [15:48] No, not ATM or yesterda. [15:48] y [15:49] He may be on vacation for the 4th. [15:49] I was about to go and code something to swim in sources files. [15:49] This is vacation, is it not? [15:49] manchicken, you don't *code* the packaging:P (except debian/rules and patches) [15:49] smartboyhw: I wasn't packaging. I'm also not talking about something Jonathan is said to have been packaging. [15:50] manchicken, you mean, to depend on it? [15:50] Well then:P [15:50] smartboyhw: Unless he's only reporting features he's pulling in. [15:50] manchicken: For old farts like us, he's young enough to still get forced by $PARENTS to go do stuff. [15:50] smartboyhw: I'm doing some stuff with kubuntu-debug-installer. [15:50] * smartboyhw wonders when JontheEchidna will come back [15:50] manchicken, oh good [15:50] ScottK, :O [15:50] * manchicken shudders [15:51] ScottK: I had kids so I could force them to do the stuff I didn't want to do when I was a kid but had to anyway. [15:51] All three of 'em. Sucks to be them! [15:51] manchicken: Of course. [15:53] oh it's an important US holiday today isn't it? [15:53] It is. [15:53] happy important US holiday americans [15:53] Thanks. [15:53] * Riddell suspect ScottK isn't in holiday mode [15:54] manchicken: use KDebug() << "foo"; [15:54] Sure am. I just woke up 20 minutes ago. Sleeping in until 11:30 is definitely holiday mode. [15:54] Riddell: I knew it was a dumb question :) [15:55] Riddell: It's blow sh?t up day. [15:55] manchicken: what are you working on? [15:55] Riddell: The day where we celebrate blowing various items up, be they industrial, agricultural, or household items. [15:55] Riddell: kubuntu-debug-installer, trying to figure out how to get the new sources added and then do update and all that jazz. [15:56] dear NSA/GCHQ, please note that manchicken does not speak for us in his terrorist tendencies [15:56] Riddell: I just discovered that there's an alpha version of QApt which may do the sources portion of this already. [15:56] Riddell: blowing sh?t up != blowing people up. [15:56] manchicken: You can assume that'll land eventually. Don't redo those bits. [15:56] Riddell: Inanimate objects and invertibrates only. [15:58] I must say, kdevelop has matured quite a bit. The doc viewer is still difficult to work with, but I am very impressed with the program overall. [15:58] manchicken: I know some anarchist vegans who would not take kindly to that [15:59] Riddell: That's the lovely thing about human beings, if you try hard enough you can irritate or offend at least a significant number of them in a single act. [15:59] Riddell: I was a marxist vegan for four years... is that not close enough? [16:00] * Riddell tries to picture manchicken as a marxist vegan and fails [16:01] I might just start using my SmashRun page as my "homepage" whenever a web form asks for one. [16:01] Riddell: Would you believe I've already run over 530 miles for the year/ [16:02] Today is the last day of my 39-day run streak. [16:02] Ooh, yesterday's run put me at 540. [16:03] ScottK: package already removed [16:03] and 'No' > [16:03] shadeslayer: Thanks [16:03] ? [16:04] For taking care of/checking on the removal [16:05] no I meant, what was the 'No' for :P [16:05] will upload kubuntu-meta tomorrow [16:05] OK [16:07] QApt has many deps for building. [16:07] At least the version in git. [16:19] Yay! I have the deps installed. Finally === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [16:23] Argh, I need to chroot all of this, don't I? [16:25] I am gonna go buy my kid a bike instead. [16:25] That sounds like an excellent use of time. [17:09] yofel: As you are on nvidia-319: Have you experienced kwin using much more cpu in 4.11 than the cycles before? [17:19] tester56: I didn't particulary notice it, but you're right. With vsync it uses ~6% CPU, without ~1% CPU on indle [17:19] *idle [17:19] yeah vsync is pretty bad in 4.11 [17:20] only disabling solves the problem [17:20] compiled kwin with buffer_age today ... [17:20] does not seems much better eihter :-( [17:21] although it should be ... [17:21] it seems the cpu has to do work the gpu should be doing ... [17:27] yofel: Wanted to test KDE 4.10.5 on Raring, but after a dist-upgrade I see I have 4.10.90, that is not a code name for 4.10.5 is it? [17:27] not quite :D [17:28] well, others tried it already so it's fine [17:28] Ah oke. [17:28] lordievader: You have the wrong PPA enabled then. [17:30] ScottK: kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu a yofel private ppa. [17:31] wrong release? ninjas for raring has 4.10.5 [17:31] maybe you got it from staging or beta [17:31] Raring main, I'll check if proposed is enabled. [17:32] Nope pre-released isn't enabled. [17:33] lordievader: apt-cache policy kde-runtime please [17:34] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844268/ Hmm there is some kubuntu beta ppa enabled it seems. [17:35] I can test 4.10.5 for precise if/when it is available [17:42] There's gotta be a list of repo mirrors for 13.10 somewhere... wtf... [17:44] manchicken: list of official mirrors: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [17:59] Kubuntu 13.10 is running without any problems here, pleasant experience. Good job guys! [18:00] * jabberwocky_ installed 13.10 to test wayland multiseat setup (not multi-input shown as multiseat on phoronix and reposted all over the internet) [18:08] It's been a while since I've configured a chroot. [18:09] It's a lot less troublesome than I remember. [18:47] muon works on arch ? [18:50] soee: ArchLinux? [18:51] No idea. You should ask on some Arch related place. [18:51] They've got their own package management system, AIUI, so it'd be surprising. === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda [18:51] manchicken, yes [18:51] Why would an apt package manager work on a pacman system? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:05] You can use yum to install rpms on .deb systems, so who knows. [19:08] I would be particularly surprised. [19:10] This would be more like yum working with deb repos. [19:11] Right. [19:14] Are we okay if I make this change to kubuntu-debug-installer depend on the new version of QApt? [19:18] 2.0.65? That's the version we have in the dev release already [19:18] so that's perfectly fine [19:22] Naw [19:22] 2.1 [19:23] No, I'm wrong [19:23] No, I'm not wrong: 2.1: (as of 2.1 alpha) [19:23] That's what the changelog says. [19:23] qt4-x11 4.8.5 is in Debian, so it could use a merge. [19:24] manchicken: Did you look at what's in saucy? It may be there already, but if not, it's definitely planned for this cycle, so it's safe to assume it'll be there. [19:24] JontheEchidna: Heya. [19:24] 2.0.65 [19:24] manchicken: ^^^ [19:24] ScottK: hi [19:25] JontheEchidna: manchicken is working on the kubuntu-debug installer and he's trying to see what qapt features will be in saucy. [19:25] manchicken: ^^^ there's your man. Discuss. [19:25] Version: 2.0.65-0ubuntu1 [19:26] JontheEchidna: From the ChangeLog, it looks like the sources list functionality is supported in the latest beta. [19:26] Which could save time on developing this feature. [19:27] manchicken: Yes, that should be mostly feature complete at this point. [19:27] JontheEchidna: Do you think this is going to be in 13.10? [19:27] manchicken: yup, definitely [19:28] Sweet. [19:28] Can I code against your git repo for now? [19:29] manchicken: Sure. The API shouldn't change too drastically I don't think. In fact, if you have any suggestions API-wise I'd be glad to hear them. [19:30] Sweet. [19:30] That invitation may result in meddling. Just warning ya :) [19:30] hehe [19:30] I'm still setting up my chroot. [19:31] My 1.5mbps connection can't really handle this. [19:31] I ordered faster service last night, but it won't be here until Tuesday. [19:31] I hear ya. The connection where I am is a 3 mbps. (They kindly doubled it for free a couple months back) [19:32] still a bit pitiful compared to the 20 mbps I get at my apartment though [19:32] They keep telling me know when I ask. [19:32] You in the US? [19:32] yup [19:32] I'm in Mahomet, IL. We get a choice between fast and unreliable or slow and rock solid. [19:32] JontheEchidna: happy independence day :) [19:32] I've been using the later. [19:32] shadeslayer: thanks! [19:33] JontheEchidna: You gonna blow some stuff up today? [19:33] fireworks all sorted out?: [19:33] happy independence day to all US folks here [19:33] I totally didn't realize that it's the 4th ^^ [19:33] manchicken: dunno. I'm currently at my parents house over break from university, so it's up to them. [19:33] I'm gonna run 10 miles, char the flesh of lesser mammals and land-fowl, and then watch trained professionals burn through about two tons worth of various combustible substances. [19:34] haha [19:34] :D [19:34] I had leftover pizza and ran 2 miles, if that counts for anything :P [19:34] JontheEchidna: does the US have a day where they show their military might? [19:35] shadeslayer: That's every day. [19:35] shadeslayer: not really, unless you count our adventures in the middle east [19:35] ^the answer I was hoping for, but not the one I needed right now ;) [19:36] Which answer did you need? [19:37] We're all about meeting needs around here. === gaurav_ is now known as Guest72819 [19:37] well, India has a 'Republic Day' which feels like a big ego boost for everyone -.- [19:37] which is different from our Independence day [19:38] still better than our German day of unification that has the emotional substance of a pencil [19:38] aha, apparently you guys have a Constitution day [19:38] which is equivalent to our Republic Day [19:39] shadeslayer: We've got several days like this: memorial day, veteran's day, labor day (which has been hijacked as a patriotic holiday somehow), independence day, presidents' day, Lincoln's birthday, and then there are religious holidays which always morph into "God bless the USA." :) [19:40] hah [19:40] shadeslayer: So, when I say "every day," I'm not entirely sure I'm exaggerating. The only difference is that in the US, we don't get off work for them :) === who_da_fly is now known as superfly [19:40] manchicken: if it helps, I'm reasonably certain that almost every day in India has some sort of regional religious day [19:40] heck, my state has a Haryana Day [19:40] found that the hard way [19:40] Heh [19:41] Haryana = name of my state [19:41] I have folks at work who are fasting one day a week every day of the week. [19:41] Makes a simple question like "does anybody want to go for lunch?" much more complicated than it needs to be :) [19:41] ah yes [19:44] I think Tuesday is my favorite, it turns out there's a god in the form of a monkey which is fasted for on Tuesday. :) [19:44] Hanuman [19:44] I like monkeys. [19:44] manchicken: yeah, alot of people do that [19:44] for eg. I can't get a haircut on a Saturday [19:45] can't buy new metal things on a Saturday [19:45] The question is whether there is a chicken god. [19:45] can't eat eggs on Tuesdays [19:45] and there are probably a bazillion other things that you can't do for certain days of the week :P [19:45] Wow [19:45] That's impressive that people can remember that stuff... it sounds very complicated. [19:46] Is there a chicken god though? [19:46] hah no [19:46] manchicken: most hindu's are Vegetarian [19:46] though that is a really interesting question [19:47] for eg. hindu's can't eat beef because we worship cows [19:47] I wonder if we can't eat chicken because someone worshipped chickens [19:49] TBH I've never understood why hinduism is such a predominatly vegetarian society [20:15] manchicken: http://i.imgur.com/VclU4ow.jpg [20:17] shadeslayer: LMFAO [20:17] shadeslayer: That's hilarious. Almost as funny as when they say the same thing about Jesus. [20:17] Actually, it's funnier, since so many of them were taught the whole 1776 story in school. [20:18] manchicken: something is going wrong [20:18] horribly horribly wrong [20:18] shadeslayer: The date is one of the few things they teach American children in social studies which is actually reliable. [20:19] (though July 4th wasn't the actual date) [20:19] but you got independence from them Aliens today! [20:20] Heck yeah [20:23] Independence Day was the first movie I watched on DVD :D [20:23] or rather CD's [20:23] the player had a 3 CD loading drive @_@ [20:23] the second one was titanic [20:28] JontheEchidna: I got the chroot set up and I have libqapt set up. Yay, this sources setup looks like it'll save me a bunch of time. [20:29] lxc ftw [20:29] manchicken: y u no lxc [20:29] lxc? [20:30] linux containers [20:30] Virtual machine? [20:30] heh no [20:30] Never set it up before. [20:30] chroot on steroids as the man page likes to say [20:30] I don't need steroids :) [20:31] manchicken: basically just run : sudo lxc-createsudo lxc-create -n SOME_NAME -t ubuntu -- -r RELEASE [20:31] manchicken: and it'll do everything [20:31] Fun. [20:31] eh, too many lxc-create calls [20:31] sudo lxc-create -n SOME_NAME -t ubuntu -- -r RELEASE [20:31] and it caches debs, so you can make more of them super fast [20:35] Nobody tells me these things :) [20:36] I just did :P [20:37] manchicken: lxc is relatively new I think [20:37] atleast I only learnt about it 2-3 months ago [20:46] Meh, I've already got chroot set up. [20:46] Screw it. [20:46] I want to write code, I've been screwing around with environment too long, and I've only got an hour before I have to go run. [20:47] manchicken: what do you want to do though? Hack on KDE? [20:49] shadeslayer: I'm hacking on kubuntu-debug-installer... or trying to :) [20:49] aha [21:00] Is there a way to make the KDevelop doc browser pop out in its own window? I'm on an 11.6" box here :) [21:01] use assistant [21:02] shadeslayer: You are nothing but a well of ridiculously useful information today. [21:03] heh [21:04] * yofel goes generating l10n [21:04] for 4.10.5 [21:05] I updated the l10n guide btw. so people actually find the correct branches [21:08] yofel++ [21:09] *sigh* [21:09] I'll be glad when we I don't have to do that for precise anymore, that's still the old l10n packaging [21:09] s/we// [21:09] yofel meant: "I'll be glad when I don't have to do that for precise anymore, that's still the old l10n packaging" [21:22] shadeslayer: added some things at the bottom, understandable? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide [21:23] yes === s1aden is now known as sladen [21:30] kDebug() is hard to set up. I'm not sure why it showed up in the dialog one time and not the other. [21:30] Either way, time to go run. I'll see you guys later. [21:30] kDebug is controlled by kdebugdialog [21:31] run kdebugdialog in krunner and enable what you need [21:31] though I'm not so sure how that works for locally compiled stuff === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 saucy/archive, raring/beta, quantal/staging WIP | 4.10.5 raring/ppa, quantal/ninjas WIP, precise/ninjas WIP | 4.10.4 in raring-updates | 13.10 Alpha 1 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj [23:26] Riddell: [23:31] ahoneybun: hi [23:31] Riddell: how are you? [23:31] i'm awesome [23:32] great [23:32] I need some help with partitionmanager [23:32] merging it [23:33] here is what I get with bzr status http://paste.kde.org/789464/ [23:34] ug, using bzr UDD branches [23:35] oh [23:35] I really don't know what all those conflicts are [23:35] oh [23:36] trial and error then lol [23:38] jings look at this https://merges.ubuntu.com/p/partitionmanager/partitionmanager_1.0.3-2.patch it's got the diff for stuff in the upstream tar [23:38] all you care about is the stuff in debian/ [23:38] that's why UDD was never going to work [23:39] ahoneybun: I can take you through it how I'd do it if you want [23:40] I'm looking at bzr diff and it shows things to do with the src the cpp files and what not [23:40] Riddell: yea sure [23:40] * Riddell starts an ec2 [23:43] * ahoneybun starts his PS Vita [23:45] ahoneybun: ubuntu@ec2-54-227-97-38.compute-1.amazonaws.com [23:45] ahoneybun: byobu [23:46] busy [23:56] ahoneybun: voila [23:56] ahoneybun: so I grabbed our version, grabbed debian's version [23:56] ahoneybun: merged the changelogs [23:56] then diff -u the two debian directories [23:56] oh boy [23:56] reviewed the changelog to see what happened last merge [23:56] * ahoneybun confused [23:56] reviewed what's changed since [23:56] and kept anything relevant [23:57] well I get that parts [23:57] I just pulled the one from lp [23:57] only thing to keep is that man page [23:57] still a but [23:58] bit confused [23:58] so you bzr pulled the version from lp? [23:58] and from debian? [23:58] ahoneybun: no I just apt-get sourced it [23:58] and for debian I went to http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/partitionmanager [23:58] oh that [23:58] and dget the .dsc [23:59] wget? [23:59] dget on a .dsc uses wget to download the .dsc, debian.tar.gz and .orig. [23:59] so apt-get source partitionmanager ? [23:59] yep (assuming you're on saucy) [23:59] nope