[01:30] <claycorn> i need to restore my kdc
[01:30] <claycorn> bring back the wallpapers
[01:31] <claycorn> any  tips?//
[01:33] <kdef> damn, I hate quassel!
[01:34] <kdef> why do all the kde programs completely suck?
[01:34] <kdef> file -> networks -> configure networks...
[01:34] <kdef> but, it won't let me add a new network lol
[01:35] <claycorn> need to restore my desktop
[01:35] <kdef> I enter the new network but then the 'ok' greys out... lol   crappy program
[01:36] <kdef> amarok is good.... and I don't use k3b much anymore...
[01:39] <kdef> oh, I figured it out... nevermind... but, it's not intuitive...sorry
[01:41] <ss_haze> happy 4.20 kubuntu team
[01:46] <claycorn> need to restore kdc
[01:46] <claycorn> help
[01:46] <claycorn> kde
[03:21] <psingh> Does anyone have tips to make kde-telepathy work with google-talk audio calls?
[03:44] <valorie> psingh: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-Telepathy-0-4-supports-audio-and-video-calls-1615843.html
[03:44] <psingh> Thx!
[03:44] <valorie> should be supported for quite awhile now....
[03:47] <psingh> valorie, my input channel stream shows blank in k-mixer when I use kde-telepathy.  I have a usb video cam, and am using the mic for google-tak audio calls.  It works spradically.  Otherwise the mic works fine in other applications.  Any thoughts?
[03:49] <valorie> do you have pavucontrol installed?
[03:49] <valorie> I would use that rather than kmix
[03:49] <valorie> kmix seems to lose control to alsa and/or pulseaudio
[03:49] <valorie> lately
[03:49] <valorie> like: useless
[03:50] <psingh> I had installed paman which helps you set Pulse Audio channels.  Is pavucontrol for Phonon or Pulseaudio?
[03:51] <valorie> PA
[03:51] <valorie> you don't need to control phonon
[03:51] <valorie> it just does its job quietly
[03:51] <psingh> I thought KDE only used Phonon?  Hummm.  I C.
[03:51] <valorie> paman is fine, I guess
[03:51] <valorie> I've not used it
[03:51] <valorie> psingh: different layers
[03:52] <psingh> And kde-telepathy relies on Pule Audio?
[03:52] <psingh> ioc
[03:52] <valorie> think of linux sound like a crazy layer cake
[03:52] <psingh> Let me try pavucontrol
[03:52] <valorie> confusing but delicious
[03:53] <psingh> Ha Ha. Thanks for this info.  I'm coming back to KDE after some years, and it lfeels like a "ghost town" finding current info  on line, so I reall appreciater this tip.
[03:54] <valorie> google is your buddy
[03:54] <valorie> really, there is lots of good info, especially at userbase
[03:54] <valorie> that's http://userbase.kde.org
[03:55] <psingh> Google has bee no buddy of mine lately!  I'll keep digging; I'm sure part of it is me havin to learn twhat search terms to use.
[03:55] <valorie> sure; asking the right questions is always step one
[03:55] <valorie> irc is there when you need us
[03:55] <psingh> :)
[05:43] <Trel> In a default kubuntu install 13.04, where would I control what services/daemons start automatically at boot?
[06:00] <conrad> hi
[06:17] <valorie> Trel: have you looked in systemsettings?
[06:20] <valorie> Trel: System Administration > Startup and Shutdown
[06:55] <Roey> hey all
[06:56] <Roey> got a question about cloning an HD -> bigger SSD:  I have a 100 MB /boot on my HD that I want to merge with /, and copy it over to the SSD... how can I do this without pain?
[06:56] <Roey> that is to say, I do not want to have a separate /boot partiiton on the SSD.
[06:58] <claycorn> hello?
[06:58] <Roey> hihi
[06:58] <claycorn> i cant change my wallpaper
[06:59] <claycorn> i think kde is broke
[06:59] <claycorn> any help would be nice
[07:01] <valorie> what happens when you right-click on the desktop?
[07:01] <claycorn> nothing
[07:01] <valorie> wow
[07:02] <valorie> can you access systemsettings from alt+f2 or kickoff?
[07:02] <claycorn> wait a sec
[07:03] <claycorn> nope
[07:03] <claycorn> i dint know bout kickoff
[07:03] <valorie> kickoff is the 'real' name for the kmenu
[07:03] <valorie> some people use an alternate launcher though
[07:04] <claycorn> oh i have the launcher like the start in windows
[07:04] <valorie> anyway, it's a bit extreme, but you might have to log out, go to a console, and rename your .kde folder
[07:04] <valorie> right, that's called kickoff
[07:05] <valorie> don't misunderstand: do NOT delete your .kde folder
[07:05] <claycorn> ok
[07:05] <valorie> just move it/rename it
[07:05] <valorie> you'll have to do that while logged out
[07:05] <claycorn> how do i do that?
[07:05] <valorie> when you log back in, you can move back in the stuff you like
[07:05] <valorie> do you know how to get to a console?
[07:05] <claycorn> um no
[07:06] <valorie> control+alt+f2
[07:06] <claycorn> ohh ok i knew that
[07:06] <valorie> ok
[07:06] <claycorn> what then?
[07:07] <valorie> and do you know how to get back?
[07:07] <valorie> some people panic
[07:07] <claycorn> nope
[07:07] <Roey> hello valorie
[07:07] <valorie> control+alt+f6 or 7 or 8
[07:07] <Roey> valorie!
[07:07] <Roey> hey
[07:07] <claycorn> oks
[07:07] <valorie> just try some till you get back to a gui
[07:07] <valorie> you can even practice that part now
[07:08] <valorie> BUT you will have to log out for the .kde renaming to work, ok?
[07:08] <valorie> hi Roey
[07:08] <claycorn> when i get to the console what do i do?
[07:08] <valorie> so, to rename it, you'll have to log in as you
[07:08] <Roey> Val, question about best practices here... I have HDs that I want to clone to an SDD
[07:08] <claycorn> ok let me try it brb
[07:08] <valorie> then: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[07:09] <Roey> valorie:  on my HD, there is a 100-MB /boot partition that I want to fold into the / on the SSD
[07:09] <Roey> valorie:  I don't know the order of operations to perform though.
[07:09] <valorie> Roey: beyond my expertise
[07:09] <Roey> ah
[07:09] <Roey> gotcha
[07:09] <valorie> I would google a bit before trying that
[07:09] <claycorn> when i get back on terminal?
[07:09] <valorie> the thing is, your boot partition is marked in the partition tables
[07:09] <valorie> it isn't just about moving stuff
[07:10] <valorie> claycorn: did you see what I wrote for you?
[07:10] <valorie> you might want to write it on some paper
[07:10] <valorie> then: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[07:10] <claycorn> i copied it
[07:10] <valorie> ok
[07:10] <claycorn> brb
[07:10] <valorie> so log out -- you'll miss us for awhile
[07:10] <valorie> luck.....
[07:11] <valorie> Roey: you might ask someone like sandsmark who knows the ins and outs of disks
[07:11] <valorie> he's the maintainer of filelight
[07:11] <Roey> ok
[07:11] <Roey> ahhhh
[07:11] <Roey> what's that?
[07:12] <valorie> graphical way to see what's on your disks
[07:12] <valorie> it's an awesome little app
[07:12] <Roey> like the KDE file size view?
[07:12] <Roey> (which I wish were faster.  Whelp.  Maybe once I switch to SSD)
[07:12] <valorie> it's pretty
[07:13] <valorie> *looks* like a disk
[07:15] <valorie> Roey: I didn't know you ran kubuntu
[07:15] <valorie> I thought you were one of the fedora-heads
[07:15] <Roey> I've been running it for years now ;)
[07:15] <valorie> ok
[07:15] <Roey> I didn't know you provided support here!
[07:16] <valorie> when I can
[07:16] <Roey> ahhhh haha nawww I got off red hat back in 1998
[07:16] <Roey> nice :)
[07:16] <valorie> usually silent, since I don't know enough
[07:16] <Roey> I see
[07:16] <valorie> if claycorn comes back, then score!
[07:16] <Roey> aweemawep aweemawep
[07:33] <valorie> hmmm, still no claycorn
[07:41] <Guest61655> Is there any setting to choose what monitor (in a dual monitor setup) windows open on?
[07:42] <claycorn> val?
[07:43] <Roey> valorie:  Filelight is nice, thanks!
[07:47] <valorie> I like how you can get more general info, or more specific
[07:47] <valorie> it's helped me in a jam a couple of times
[07:49] <Roey> nice
[07:49] <Roey> valorie:  do you find it easier on the eyes than FileSize View?
[07:49] <valorie> gosh, I can't even remember that one
[07:49] <valorie> ever since I found file light, I never use anything else
[07:50] <valorie> at one point i looked at a few
[07:50] <valorie> including something built into konqueror
[07:54] <Roey> filesize view
[07:54] <Roey> in Koqneuror and Dolphin
[07:54] <Roey> alright, I'm heading to bed
[07:54] <Roey> good night, valorie & all
[07:55] <valorie> niters
[07:56]  * Roey competes in competitive napping
[09:32] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:57] <stefano> ciao a tutti
[10:02] <simion314> hi all, it sucks this KDE vs Mir thing, If i have to chose betwen KDE and ubuntu I think I will run ubuntu with my favorite apps
[10:06] <tsimpson_> simion314: don't listen to FUD
[10:07] <simion314> tsimpson_: yes, i hope technical things will win, and I think Mir will be more stable and polish then wayland for some time
[10:37] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:50] <Walex> simion314: on the Mir/Wayland story, most people miss the #1 point.
[12:51] <simion314> Walex: what is that? that Mir will be on our computers this year?
[12:51] <Walex> simion314: noooooo, nothing as complicated as that.
[12:51] <Walex> simion314: it is that Mir is designed to use Android binary GPU drivers. That is incredibly important.
[12:52] <Walex> simion314: I hope everybody has alredy figured out that the Ubuntu strategy is 80-90% tablet/phone and 10-20% desktop and server.
[12:53] <Walex> Mir being binary compatible with Android GPU drivers is an enormous advantage over Wayland for tablet/phone use, and perhaps in general/
[12:54] <simion314> Walex: I know, also Red hat(that is behind Wayland) has no financial intrest to put too much effort into desktop stuff
[12:54] <OerHeks> Clever thinking of Mark
[12:56] <Walex> so the technical merits of Mir/Wayland/X11 are really a secondayr issue, as long as each more or less works to some extent. Mir could even be rather worse than Wayland or X. but will still probably win because of that binary compatibility.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> we can tell where he's headed , to make money , so this open software philosphy is eventually going away in favour of enterprise. Capitalism is great for him , but what about the rest of us? ..I don't plan on doing my computing on a 5" screen
[12:58] <apachelogger> #kubuntu-offtopic pleaese
[12:59] <simion314> BluesKaj: I do not think Mark wants to make money for himself he has enough, he wants money for Canonical to invest in development
[12:59] <Walex> the irony in the Kubuntu decision of not supporting Mir is that Plasma Live is so good on tablet/phone, and Mir is going to be pretty good for that.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Ididn't say it was for himself , of course he wants to expand his company and increasiing revenue is the obvious choice
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ok , let's take this to offtopic
[13:02] <Walex> for people who want to try Plasma Active: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation
[14:00] <oye> How do you close a private conversation window in Quassel?
[14:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Kill its tab
[14:01] <oye> Cool; but how?
[14:01] <oye> Any keyboard shortcuts or mouse button input?
[14:02] <SonikkuAmerica> oye: How about Ctrl+W?
[14:03] <oye> SonikkuAmerica: Thank you.
[14:03] <SonikkuAmerica> oye: Ctrl+W closes a window within just about any app
[14:04] <oye> AFAIK, in mIRC it is ctrl+Z, in Xchat I don't know because I don't use it, and in irssi.. well :-)
[14:04] <oye> Anyway, it worked :-) Thanks, again, for the tip.
[14:24] <tester56> i have both, qt4 and qt5 installed, but for any reason qt5 is default, but i want qt4 to be default ...
[14:24] <tester56> how to change this?
[14:24] <lorddelta> Um, where is plasmoidviewer?
[14:25] <lorddelta> I'm supposed to be able to get it by installing kde-workspace-bin
[14:25] <lorddelta> ...but its not in that package....
[14:25] <tester56> lorddelta: install plasmate
[14:25] <lorddelta> So where did it disappear off to, or did it get replaced by something else?
[14:25] <tester56> lorddelta: that's a known issue, packagers are aware
[14:27] <lorddelta> tester56: thanks, is that documented somewhere? I'm still just working my way around the plasma docs myself.
[14:27] <tester56> you mean the issue that kde-workspace-bin is suggested instead?
[14:29] <tester56> lorddelta: plasmoidviewer moved to package plasmate ... that's a packaging issue ...
[14:30] <Ketrel> In a default kubuntu install 13.04, where would I control what services/daemons start automatically at boot?
[14:31] <tester56> services of what stage? you mean services that require x or services that are started by rc.local?
[14:31] <lorddelta> tester56: sure, but does anyone other than you know this? Its great the package maintainers are aware, I was not.
[14:31] <BluesKaj> system settings>stsrtup&shutdown>system services
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Ketrel,^
[14:32] <tester56> was just about to write it :D
[14:32] <Ketrel> I'm talking about RC services.  (Prior to X)
[14:32] <Ketrel> does what BluesKaj still apply?
[14:32] <tester56> lorddelta: shadeslayer is aware ...
[14:33] <lorddelta> tester56, assuming that was directed at me, ok, I suppose...
[14:33] <tester56> lorddelta: no ... to BluesKaj
[14:34] <Ketrel> oops, left out a word, does what BluesKaj *said* still apply?
[14:35] <tester56> Ketrel, not for the services you want to configure (prior to X)
[14:35] <lorddelta> tester56: not that you are aware but your '...' responses imply that a) you think I am stupid b) there was some obvious way I should have known this...not saying you are actually implying either thing mind, only that your language suggests as much. Your responses would indicate nevertheless that I would have some way of knowing this other than asking in here :P
[14:36] <Ketrel> tester56: in that case where would those be editable.  (I just want to stop a few from starting without having to remove the actual programs)
[14:37] <tester56> Ketrel, blacklist them ... could you name the service you want to stop?
[14:39] <Ketrel> tester56: I don't think that's what I am talking about.  I remember there's some way to edit which ones run at each RC level.
[14:40] <Ketrel> Does kubunutu still use the default directories for that, or has it changed to another system?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Ketrel, besisdes the services in sys settings check the session management option >applications to be excluded... . add the apps there to stop them from loading at startup
[14:42] <Ketrel> BluesKaj: I'm not talking about KDE services and applications.  I'm talking about daemons which are starting prior to X.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> which daemons?
[14:43] <tester56> Ketrel, could be that there is a graphical application to adjust this ... but none I am aware of
[14:44] <Ketrel> tester56: I don't need a graphical one, I'm mainly trying to find out if kubnutu still uses the standard RC system.  I know it uses a lot of non-standard replacements, such as kickstart for services.
[14:44] <Ketrel> or is it upstart, I forget the name
[14:45] <BluesKaj> upstart yeah
[14:45] <Ketrel> But yeah, did this replace runlevels as well or is that still standard?  If it's still using the standard runlevels and init symlinks, I know what to do already.
[14:47] <BluesKaj> update-rc.d still work s , if that means anything
[14:50] <Ketrel> BluesKaj: yep, if that works I'm gold.
[14:51] <Ketrel> Main thing I wanted was to install WICD so I can easily manage my network connections in the event of X failing without having to resort to too much use of wpa_supplicant manually)
[14:51] <BluesKaj> run it and see
[14:51] <Ketrel> But I did not want wicd to start automatically as a service
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Ketrel, which wifi chip?
[14:53] <Ketrel> BluesKaj: sadly broadcom, it works from KDE, but when I use wpa_suppplicant I can't seem to make it work
[14:53] <Walex> Ketrel: 'wpa_gui' is not too bad...
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Ketrel, most BCMs don't need wpa_suplicant afaik
[14:55] <Ketrel> BluesKaj: wouldn't it need it for wpa2 protected wifi?
[14:55] <Ketrel> Walex: wpa_gui isn't an option if I'm not in X.
[15:58] <Guest74248> close
[16:50] <n8w> hey guys
[16:50] <n8w> how do i get rid of this WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to:...kubuntu 13.04
[16:54] <BluesKaj> n8w, are you using chromium-browser ?
[16:56] <n8w> BluesKaj, ye i do...but i get this when running python script interactin with a web service
[16:57] <n8w> BluesKaj, since i dont run chrome from cmd i cant see any output...but perhaps running it from cmd would show it
[16:58] <BluesKaj> well, something in your networking setup is calling the the keyring service and afaik , it's used only by chromium-browser
[16:58] <BluesKaj> on kde
[16:59] <BluesKaj> next ti just  leave the user and pw blank and hit enter , it shouldn't bother you anymore afterwards
[16:59] <BluesKaj> next time
[17:42] <lorddelta> blugh key-rings
[17:42] <lorddelta> they never seem to be configured properly
[17:42] <lorddelta> I just kinda ignore those warnings these days
[17:42] <lorddelta> I really know I shouldn't though, nearly got locked out of my wireless setup one time as a result
[17:45] <jabberwocky_> what is the channel name for kubuntu development? (e.g. ubuntu-next for ubuntu)
[17:47] <yofel> jabberwocky_: #kubuntu-devel
[17:49] <jabberwocky_> thanks yofel!
[19:00] <Guest61655> Is there any setting to choose what monitor (in a dual monitor setup) windows open on?
[19:05] <[uzver]> Guest61655: maybe set primary monitor or something like that
[19:07] <Guest61655> uzver: I've got the moniter i'd like to be the primary set as the primary, but windows still open on the other monitor.
[19:16] <[uzver]> Guest61655: what video card do u have?
[19:18] <Guest61655> some embedded intel
[19:19] <[uzver]> Guest61655: it's laptop?
[19:20] <Guest61655> Desktop.
[19:25] <[uzver]> Guest61655: what exact model of embedded intel's video?
[20:34] <SaEeDIRHA> hey guys , do you know how can i disable automount of usb storage in Kubuntu ?
[20:34] <SaEeDIRHA> i am using kubuntu 12.04.2
[20:38] <OerHeks> aplications > settings > automount settings ( i am on 13..04)
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Is there a Saucy daily build of Kubuntu Active?
[20:40] <OerHeks> SonikkuAmerica, sure, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[20:41] <SonikkuAmerica> OerHeks: Isn't that /kubuntu-active/ ?
[20:41] <SonikkuAmerica> OerHeks: thx, found it.
[20:41] <SonikkuAmerica> I hope they fixed the kwinactive-keeps-crashing-when-I-pull-the-top-bar-down bug
[20:42] <OerHeks> Ah, wrong page, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/
[20:42] <SonikkuAmerica> OerHeks: Yep.
[20:42] <SonikkuAmerica> OerHeks: Are we moving to PA 3 yet?
[20:43] <honey> huh
[20:43] <SonikkuAmerica> !plasma-active
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Shoot
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Kubuntu Active is Kubuntu with Plasma Active for ARM and x86 tablets
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> (although I haven't seen an ARM build yet)