[09:57] <mynameis1e1eted> so... mir
[09:57] <mynameis1e1eted> the point is that it can run on phone, tablet and tv
[09:58] <mynameis1e1eted> I've run regular X-servers on that too and see no reason Xorg cant work with a mobile graphics card and a smaller display size
[09:58] <mynameis1e1eted> how is mir different from Xorg?
[09:59] <brendand> mynameis1e1eted, it's more effecient. x will work on phones/tablets (of course), but not well
[10:01] <mynameis1e1eted> so the goal is similiar to wayland
[10:01] <mynameis1e1eted> application refreshes are in monitor-sync
[10:01] <pinocchio> good morning
[10:01] <mynameis1e1eted> and no app refreshes more than the entire display
[10:01] <pinocchio> i got  a i915 gfx
[10:01] <mynameis1e1eted> and no portion of display without an updated app is updated
[10:02] <mynameis1e1eted> how well does nvidia work with mir right now?
[10:02] <pinocchio> should i use the drm-intel-nightly stuff because i got some errors according to dmesg
[10:02] <k1l> mynameis1e1eted: x.org got alot of stuff that is not needed (in that way) anymore. and alot of stuff that needs to be patched because its not included in xorg. so the replacement of x with a new displayserver is a common target
[10:02] <mynameis1e1eted> will open-sourced cde work with mir?
[10:03] <mynameis1e1eted> or athena-widget applications like xterm?
[10:03] <mynameis1e1eted> or xemacs?
[10:05] <mynameis1e1eted> does mir enable remote app display just like I can set DISPLAY within X to have apps appear on other screens?
[10:05] <mynameis1e1eted> also will it make my existing X-apps faster?
[10:06] <k1l> mynameis1e1eted: i think to that specific questions you will get more answers in #ubuntu-mir
[10:16] <pinocchio> this is the horrible bug
[10:16] <pinocchio> http://pastebin.com/mu5Y8ZHE
[10:40] <mn2010> and i referr you to xorg-edgers
[10:40] <mn2010> there intel drivers are newer than saucy's repo.
[10:43] <pinocchio> saucy repo intel-drm has some kernel options afaik
[10:44] <pinocchio> this cpu is out for 2 years and still linux can't handle it right
[10:44] <mn2010> im a AMD/ATI Platform, so idk, and im just updating to saucy, havent been on linux for the last 6 months...
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:54] <pinocchio> now i added those edgers xorg
[10:56] <mn2010> any issues?
[11:12] <pinocchio> this is the system: http://ares.network23.ch/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic
[11:29] <mn2010> :( he left
[11:29] <mn2010> Hello Blues
[11:36] <BluesKaj> hi mn2010
[11:38] <mn2010> wish they would include the Memtest+86 - 5.xx Beta instead of the Legacy 4.xx version
[11:42] <mn2010> think i just got D/C'ed... my server/router, has a simple script to play sys-beep(tone) on dropped/error packets during concurrent connections.
[12:08] <rbasak> Is the clock in the corner of my screen supposed to be gone?
[12:14] <mn2010> yes, youre not supposed to know the time... joking ofcourse, unity? or other?
[12:32] <rbasak> Other
[12:32] <rbasak> It's pretty hacked up, so it could just be my configuration
[12:33] <rbasak> If it's not expected behaviour, I can dig into it. I guess it's not?
[12:47] <mn2010> probably youre config.
[12:48] <mn2010> its expected behavior of almost all window managers, unity, gnome, kde, xwm, xfce, enlightenment - its generally a good idea to have a clock in youre interface. thats the idea
[12:49] <mn2010> why is pulseaudio still at 3.0, when current stable is 4.0?
[14:08] <Bugsy_Malone> if i want to save some power with 3.10 kernel, i have ot activate the timer clicks
[14:08] <mn2010> ???
[14:08] <Bugsy_Malone> full dynticks
[16:40] <Surak> Today's update of unity conflicts xorg...
[16:41] <FernandoMiguel> yay
[16:41]  * FernandoMiguel checks
[16:43] <FernandoMiguel> Surak: nothing here
[16:47] <Surak> if I try to install unity again, it tries to remove pretty much any graphical package from the system...  and wants to install libwayland-cursos, libwayland-client, and a couple others.
[16:47] <Surak> cursor*
[16:48] <FernandoMiguel> checking
[16:48] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo apt-get install unity
[16:48] <FernandoMiguel> unity is already the newest version.
[16:49] <Surak> do you have a nvidia or ati video card?
[16:49] <Surak> ati : amd
[16:49] <FernandoMiguel> intel
[16:51] <Surak> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libqtgui4 : Depends: libqt4-declarative (= 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu13) but it is not going to be installed              Depends: libxi6 (>= 2:1.2.99.4) but it is not going to be installed  unity : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed or                   libgl1          Depends: libglew1.8 (>= 1.8.0) but it is not going to be installed          Depends: libgtk-3-0 
[16:51] <Surak> and so on
[17:12] <FernandoMiguel> Surak: do you have any PPA?
[17:12] <FernandoMiguel> is your repo updated?
[17:13] <Surak> I have, but for very unrelated things - bitcoin, and opencpn
[17:14] <Surak> I have proposed and backports enabled, removed now
[17:16] <FernandoMiguel> those should have nothing in +1
[17:16] <Surak> indeed
[17:17] <Surak> That machine is fubar. I have no idea what happened.
[17:18] <alankila> it can probably be fixed by migrating upgraded libraries or dependencies back to distribution's own versions
[17:19] <FernandoMiguel> Surak: dpkg --configure -a ?
[17:19] <alankila> first one would have to identify exactly what has been changed though
[17:19] <alankila> come to think of it there ought to be a tool that prints out packages whose versions differ from the ones that would be given by current apt policy
[17:19] <alankila> and there's apt-pinning though I hate its guts
[17:20] <Surak> does nothingdpkg --configure -a
[17:23] <FernandoMiguel> Surak: apt-get auto-remove; apt-get clean
[17:23] <FernandoMiguel> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:24]  * FernandoMiguel adds a -y just for fun
[17:24] <FernandoMiguel> I forgot how to remove all pins :\
[17:25] <Surak> auto-remove?
[17:25] <FernandoMiguel> apt-mark something...
[17:26] <FernandoMiguel> Surak: to remove stale packages
[17:26] <FernandoMiguel> it's safe!
[17:26] <Surak> yea... :)
[17:27] <Surak> will try with the latest cd. No time for fun today
[17:28] <FernandoMiguel> CD?
[17:28] <FernandoMiguel> running on a live cd?
[17:29] <Surak> nope - will reinstall from the latest cd, that's what I mean. I have some meetings this week, and cannot afford to be playing with a non-working machine at the airport
[17:29] <FernandoMiguel> ofc
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> it could be useful if you found a bug
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> but ofc, having a working machine is prioritary
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> let us know how that went!
[17:30] <Bugsy_Malone> is this command working in root directory if started in another?" "find -xdev -type f -exec btrfs fi defrag '{}' \;"
[17:30] <Surak> Well, it's probably something I caused, if no one else is having.
[17:30] <FernandoMiguel> Surak: 2 folks aren't a good sample :)
[17:31] <Surak> indeed- Such a hugh screwup tends to my one's fault, rather than a well-behaved system - oh wait, this is +1
[17:32] <Surak> own
[17:33] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[17:49] <Bugsy_Malone> isnt it possible to limit tbe btrfs scrub speed and balance speed?
[17:50] <Bugsy_Malone> you can limit it in mdraid and dmRaid
[17:57] <wilee-nilee> Bugsy_Malone, In 13.10?
[18:01] <Surak> I reinstalled the system, from the cd image. Still borked. Although in a different way
[18:02] <wilee-nilee> Surak, And?
[18:02] <wilee-nilee> it is a development
[18:02] <Surak> I have a desktop... no dock, no nothing else
[18:03] <wilee-nilee> Surak, you missing graphic drivers maybe?
[18:03] <Surak> No, I mean, I have the desktop icons, I can select, double click them
[18:03] <Surak> Inside the user session after lightdm
[18:06] <FernandoMiguel> I have had that happen to me
[18:07] <FernandoMiguel> killall -9 unity-panel-service
[18:11] <Surak> pfu, this is all too weird
[18:14] <FernandoMiguel> bbl
[18:22] <Surak> what is the package for unity's "dock"?
[18:24] <Surak> or launcher
[18:36] <Seven_Si1_Two> Surak: I don't know exactly, but it's a compiz plugin
[19:41] <Surak> rm -rf bin etc etc etc
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> ahahaa
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> still at it Surak
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> and he is gone
[19:44] <wilee-nilee> in so many ways, lol
[19:45] <alankila> Didn't he try apt-pinning or did no-one tell him to do that
[19:45] <alankila> it would have probably restored the distro by downgrading packages until package installation/upgrade would have worked properly again.
[19:46] <alankila> it's either that or knowing what extra stuff you have installed in the first place though
[19:46] <alankila> because I couldn't find a command that would have output packages that are somehow more recent than the versions you'd get by an apt-get upgrade
[19:46] <alankila> that sort of packages would be primary candidates for downgrading
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> alankila, No real communication from them that meant anything.
[19:47] <alankila> anyway I really hate this whole packaging thing in the first place. Ubuntu should ship a read-only distro core and then let people muck it up with some kind of overlay mount
[19:47] <alankila> then when 6 months go by you get a new read-only core and your overlay would be wiped
[19:48] <alankila> bulletproof upgrades of the distro and think how quickly it could be done, you'd stream even 1 GB of packages onto disk in like 10 seconds after you have the upgrade file
[19:49] <wilee-nilee> alankila, Thats android, not gonna happen.
[19:49] <alankila> well, maybe android happens on desktop then
[19:49] <wilee-nilee> alankila, You can install it as such and HP has a version.
[19:50] <alankila> yeh well I mean there should be more users of the thing than just me. I couldn't get my work done with android-running laptop
[19:50] <alankila> but I absolutely think that all this mucking around with packages is kinda pointless, because it just makes it more difficult to install and upgrade the OS & far more likely that a program doesn't work because one guy runs different set of packages from another.
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> alankila, Tell your story to the other half of the world without computer or internet access, your reality is based on yours alone and does not reflect anything else.
[19:52] <alankila> well the people without computers don't really care how package managers ought to work, do they
[20:38] <well0ne> hey, i'm having problems with my power indicator on 13.10
[20:38] <well0ne> it just dont appear with   gnome classic
[20:38] <well0ne> i cant activate it throu dconf-editor or similar
[20:39] <well0ne> its installed and i can run the service in /lib but it wont be shown
[20:39] <well0ne> any advice please?
[20:40] <Bugsy_Malone> use mate
[20:40] <Bugsy_Malone> and get rid of those ubuntuoid gui
[20:42] <Bugsy_Malone> Hello NSA, do you like nuclear energy?
[20:43] <Bugsy_Malone> mate runs stable and its a gui for humans
[20:44] <holstein> well0ne: other than, dont expect the pre-release to be stable, i would just wait around a bit.. maybe look for a bug on launchpad
[20:45] <well0ne> yeah i found one but its fixed
[20:45] <well0ne> and i have the latest
[20:45] <well0ne> huh earlyer it was availabe
[20:45] <well0ne> in the menu
[20:45] <well0ne> somehow it dissapeared
[20:45] <well0ne> :( i just fresh installed everything
[20:45] <well0ne> and moved 100gb files on the new sys
[20:46] <well0ne> kinda fustrating but yeah, shouldnt use the dev edition
[20:46] <Bugsy_Malone> yeah use debian or something
[20:46] <holstein> Bugsy_Malone: ?
[20:46] <Patrickdk> well0ne, heh? it hasn't existed since 12.04 on gnome classic
[20:46] <holstein> Bugsy_Malone: check the topic, friend..
[20:46] <Bugsy_Malone> debian is very stable, the fork ubuntu is ok if you have a lot of time
[20:47] <Bugsy_Malone> ubuntu is a fork of debian
[20:47] <holstein> Bugsy_Malone: no one is interesting it debating that.. but thats OT in this channel
[20:47] <Bugsy_Malone> i just told him to install debian if he wants a stable distro
[20:48] <Bugsy_Malone> thats a fact, unless we are in ubuntu dev channel or not
[20:48] <well0ne> huh ? the battery indicator ?
[20:48] <Patrickdk> no one asked for something stable
[20:49] <Patrickdk> well0ne, I have never found a solution for the battery indicator on 12.04, let alone since then
[20:49] <well0ne> lawl....
[20:51] <well0ne> there must be a solution
[20:52] <holstein> well0ne: try the normal routine.. as a new user.. remove the configs
[20:52] <holstein> well0ne: you might be preferring some other desktop environment. regardless, dont use 13.10 and expect it to work
[20:52] <well0ne> i tried
[20:53] <well0ne> no success
[20:53] <holstein> and you may not have success.. and its not a priority to "fix" it
[20:53] <Patrickdk> well0ne, for gnome classic? no there isn't
[20:54] <well0ne> hm? wah
[20:54] <well0ne> there was one before i could swear
[20:55] <holstein> well0ne: i dont think so
[21:06] <well0ne> hah
[21:06] <well0ne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/1162706
[21:06] <well0ne> see
[21:06] <well0ne> it was there !
[21:06] <FernandoMiguel> not it's not
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> mine is there
[21:07] <FernandoMiguel> unless I kill unity-panel-service  a few dozen times
[21:11] <well0ne> i dont use unity
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> ah
[22:06] <yofel> can anyone tell me what "ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for GnomeKeyring" means?
[22:06] <yofel> It seems to work fine despite that. (This is kubuntu where something pulled gnome-keyring onto the system recently which seems to have automatically set itself as preferred python-keyring backend)
[22:08] <trism> yofel: you're probably missing gir1.2-gnomekeyring-1.0 or whatever version it is in saucy (somebody is trying to use GnomeKeyring with gobject-introspection)
[22:09] <yofel> yep
[22:09] <yofel> gir1.2-gnomekeyring-1.0:
[22:09] <yofel>   Installed: (none)
[22:12] <yofel> trism: yep, that helped, thanks