[16:59] <dholbach> hello
[16:59] <pleia2> o/
[17:00] <zequence> hi
[17:00] <smartboyhw> o/ from me and zequence for Ubuntu Studio:)
[17:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[17:00] <smartboyhw> It's 1:00 AM here actually:P
[17:00] <cub> o/ Ubuntu Studio as well
[17:00] <pleia2> #chair dholbach Gwaihir czajkowski beuno
[17:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Gwaihir beuno czajkowski dholbach pleia2
[17:01] <pleia2> Welcome to the Community Council Meeting :)
[17:01] <zequence> thank you :)
[17:01] <smartboyhw> \o/
[17:01] <leoquant> thx
[17:01] <pleia2> #agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:01] <pleia2> I think we'll dive right in with the Ubuntu Studio check-in since they all seem to be here :)
[17:02] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Studio check-in
[17:02] <smartboyhw> pleia2, #agenda doesn't exist in available commands, IIRC:P
[17:02] <pleia2> so during these check-ins we pretty much just ask how things are going, see if you need any help with anything, share exciting stories :)
[17:03] <pleia2> smartboyhw: it's human-readable
[17:03] <pleia2> so anyone is welcome to jump in
[17:03] <pleia2> how are things going? :)
[17:04] <cub> I joined recently, so I think everything's great.
[17:04] <zequence> Not bad. We're not a big team, but we have some exciting things in the works
[17:05] <dholbach> what's planned for 13.10? :)
[17:05] <smartboyhw> Multiple DE support
[17:05] <zequence> The main thing I suppose is that we're experimenting with becoming DE agnostics
[17:05] <dholbach> how is that going work?
[17:06] <zequence> Well, as it seems, we could create a meta package that depends on another DE, then override a few things, like artwork (if felt important), and also anything else that would seem required from a technical perspective
[17:06] <smartboyhw> dholbach, you mean the progress or the method?
[17:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:07] <dholbach> but you'd then still create ISOs for multiple DEs? or ... well ... flavours of Ubuntu Studio?
[17:07] <czajkowski> sorry I'm a bit late, traffic/airport
[17:07] <dholbach> welcome czajkowski
[17:08] <zequence> So far, we're still sticking with having a default DE that we maintain ourselves, but there is a chance that we might not need to keep our own seed files for any DE (at least from what it seems to me currently)
[17:08] <dholbach> ok
[17:08] <zequence> and just use overrides
[17:08]  * pleia2 nods
[17:09] <zequence> we've become much more active in social channels, our website and on the wikis
[17:09] <zequence> so, that's a change for the better
[17:09] <dholbach> do you get much feedback?
[17:09] <zequence> we're planning to co youtube videos too
[17:10] <zequence> dholbach: sure, all though, the amount of users we have is probably much less than for other, bigger flavors
[17:10] <zequence> the forum is probably the most used (ubuntuforums.org)
[17:10] <cub> Many questions are similar and about how to get going with audio or video
[17:10] <cub> So updated documentation and video tutorials might improve a lot
[17:11] <zequence> our main goal is really 14.04 as it seems right now. that will probably be a big makeover moment for us
[17:11] <pleia2> cub: tha would be great
[17:11] <pleia2> that
[17:12] <dholbach> I remember there were some difficulties with the -rt kernel in the past - was that resolved somehow?
[17:12] <smartboyhw> dholbach, we are going to remake it for 14.04 or later
[17:13] <smartboyhw> Since zequence has got some kernel maintenance skills with linux-lowlatency
[17:13] <zequence> dholbach: since it was possible to tweak -generic for low latency (since around 2.6.37 or so), linux-lowlatency was born. Included since Precise
[17:13] <dholbach> perfect
[17:13] <zequence> now maintained by me, and it is really just -generic, rebased, with a few config changes
[17:14] <pleia2> great
[17:14] <zequence> we had a lot of help from UKT on this
[17:14] <zequence> and of course, Alessio Bogani, who created it initially
[17:15] <zequence> it's integrated into the kernel SRU process now
[17:15] <dholbach> awesome
[17:16] <zequence> One thing that I've personally worked on for a while is making a map of flavor specific developer documentation. There's a lot of resources out there, but that is one thing I'd like to help improve
[17:17] <zequence> there's a lot to know, and with small teams like ours, it's really great to have instant access to all of the information needed in order to maintain a flavotr
[17:17] <dholbach> that might also something where newer contributors might be able to help out
[17:17] <zequence> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DeveloperDocumentation is a beginning of that
[17:17] <pleia2> yeah, they can share their own pain points so you can figure out where docs need to be written/improved
[17:17] <pleia2> nice
[17:18] <zequence> I find that to be a very importan part in trying to get more people involved. It should be as easy as possible
[17:18]  * pleia2 nods
[17:18] <zequence> And, that is of course another big goal for us
[17:19] <cub> As quite new in the team I can attest that it's a bit hard to get a grip on everything, so that documentation will make a big improvement
[17:20] <ttoine> hop
[17:20] <zequence> ttoine: hi
[17:20] <pleia2> sounds like you folks are working on lots of great things, thanks for joining us today :)
[17:20] <zequence> thanks :)
[17:20] <ttoine> yw
[17:21] <pleia2> and our door is open always if you ever discover you need anything, just let us know
[17:21] <pleia2> shall we move on to check-in with Xubuntu?
[17:21] <ttoine> so I guess I already missed everything ?
[17:21] <smartboyhw> ttoine, yeah:PP
[17:22] <ttoine> :-(
[17:22] <pleia2> ttoine: if you have anything to say about the work studio is doing, please feel free :)
[17:22] <zequence> ttoine has been working on a webshop for Ubuntu Studio
[17:22] <ttoine> pleia2, I work for Studio since its beginning
[17:23] <ttoine> and I enjoy the fact that it is more more ready to use out of the box
[17:23] <pleia2> webshop?
[17:24] <zequence> ttoine: I suppose you would be the best to answer any questions on that :)
[17:24] <ttoine> pleia2, yes
[17:24] <ttoine> I have the licence from Canonical
[17:24] <pleia2> not questioning that, just curious as to what it is/will offer :)
[17:25] <ttoine> And a agreement with them and Spreadshirt. At the moment, the artwork is created, and I just need to find a bit of time to push the products online
[17:25] <pleia2> oh, studio-branded products?
[17:25] <ttoine> to be very original, we will start with a mug and 3 different colors of t-shirt
[17:26] <ttoine> then, we will see if spreadshirt does the job well
[17:26] <pleia2> cool
[17:26] <ttoine> yes !
[17:26] <dholbach> awesome
[17:27] <smartboyhw> This is rather a surprise project I think, but ttoine has been working on it extensively
[17:27] <ttoine> it will be available this summer. I actually am moving from one city to another (new job) and I don't have Internet at home
[17:28] <pleia2> great (and congrats on new job)
[17:28] <zequence> we recently got a new art lead, goes by the nick madeinkobaia, and this really boosts our ability to show a prettier face towards the public
[17:29] <pleia2> cool
[17:29] <czajkowski> wel done :)
[17:29] <czajkowski> *well
[17:29] <ttoine> pleia2, you are welcome. I am proud to work now for an open source editor
[17:30] <ttoine> madeinkobaia is really a talented artist
[17:31] <pleia2> those are good people to have around
[17:32] <ttoine> yes. Open Source needs to be beautiful. most of all, when it is about art production
[17:32] <pleia2> :)
[17:32] <smartboyhw> zequence's headhunting has been rather successful I think
[17:32] <smartboyhw> Many people expressed interest in joining
[17:32] <ttoine> As one of the cofounder of Ubuntu Studio, years ago, I am glad to see the work done by the current team !!
[17:33] <ttoine> we eventually are creating a community. this is quite new
[17:33] <smartboyhw> Yeah ttoine zequence what happened to our history page? :P
[17:34] <ttoine> on the website ? or on Wikipedia ?
[17:34] <pleia2> alright, I think we can wrap this portion up and get to the Xubuntu folks
[17:34] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[17:34] <dholbach> thanks a lot Ubuntu Studio people! :)
[17:34] <zequence> yep, thanks all
[17:34] <cub> :)
[17:34] <smartboyhw> :)
[17:34] <pleia2> #topic Xubuntu check-in
[17:34] <ttoine> thank you all
[17:34] <pleia2> ok, who all is here from Xubuntu?
[17:35] <elfy> o/
[17:35] <skellat> o/
[17:35] <pleia2> o/
[17:35] <czajkowski> hey there folks thanks for coming.
[17:35] <micahg> o/
[17:35] <czajkowski> how are things this cycle for Xubuntu going ?
[17:35] <elfy> I'll go first - suffering a bit
[17:36] <elfy> we've made remarkable inroads into manual testcases, the autopilot testing is not so good - but we're not completely sure yet if it will help us
[17:36] <micahg> it should when someone has time to dig into it :)
[17:37] <czajkowski> in what way is autopilot not so good and is there some way the QA team can help you ?
[17:37] <elfy> we'd probably prefer to be able to get more testing done - but that's about calling for help for it when we need
[17:37] <czajkowski> nods
[17:37] <pleia2> czajkowski: mostly people-power
[17:37] <czajkowski> a lot of projects feel that way about testing :)
[17:37] <czajkowski> pleia2: ack
[17:37] <elfy> czajkowski: we're not completely sure at present - but autopilot works well with ubuntu/unity - not so well with other apps
[17:38] <elfy> but - hopefully we can make use of ubiquity autopilot tests
[17:38] <czajkowski> elfy: is this something the team has raised and tried to work with balloons and the QA team with ?
[17:38] <czajkowski> to see how it can work or where to help?
[17:39] <elfy> and I talk to balloons quite frequently so it's not about talking - more about making it work for us - IF we decide it's actually of any use to us
[17:39] <pleia2> yeah, all the QA teams work pretty closely together
[17:39] <Unit193> I'm here for Xubuntu, sorry for being late.  (Coffee...)
[17:39] <elfy> so - really there's not much that you can help us with at present :)
[17:39] <pleia2> I think the main issue is that it's tedious work to get autopilot tests written (they must be very specific) so we need folks who have time to dig into it (as micahg said) and spend the time
[17:40] <elfy> pleia2: not so much that it's tedious - more that it doesn't like our apps much :)
[17:40] <czajkowski> nods and sometimes people do not have the time
[17:40] <elfy> absolutely
[17:40] <micahg> elfy: not liking apps might be a fixable issue
[17:40] <czajkowski> pleia2: you're saying one thing and elfy says theother, is it a mixture of the two ?
[17:40] <czajkowski> micahg: ahh ok
[17:41] <pleia2> what micahg said
[17:41] <elfy> +1
[17:41] <elfy> but - I'm also not at all sure it's going to help us - which is another issue altogether
[17:41] <pleia2> elfy put out a call for help with both manual and auto tests today, so hopefully that will drum up some interest :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-July/009051.html
[17:41] <czajkowski> ah ok  just so we;re all on the same page
[17:42] <czajkowski> dholbach: beuno any comments?
[17:43] <czajkowski> pleia2: in general any other issues or concerns or thoughts you would like to air?
[17:43] <pleia2> project-wde we're still pretty lean on developers, but we're chugging away
[17:43] <elfy> I think project wide we are still pretty lean full stop ;)
[17:44] <dholbach> are you in touch with your users? (like what the Ubuntu Studio guys mentioned earlier, social media, etc.)
[17:44] <pleia2> yeah, twitter, g+ and facebook
[17:44] <skellat> Social media presences are pretty active
[17:44] <Unit193> And of course the users and devel mailing lists.
[17:44] <pleia2> lots of feedback from them, and we x-post all our calls for help so that's brought in some casual contributions
[17:44] <czajkowski> pleia2: what do you mean x-post ?
[17:45] <pleia2> czajkowski: cross-post
[17:45] <skellat> s/x-post/crosspost/
[17:45] <czajkowski> pleia2: ah yes, sorry. :)
[17:45] <dholbach> what kind of casual contributions were those?
[17:45] <pleia2> just recently heard from a community deploying xubuntu in their organization, so will have an interview with them up on the site soon
[17:46] <pleia2> bug reports, drive by testing
[17:46] <dholbach> nice
[17:46] <dholbach> did some of them stick around?
[17:46] <pleia2> not really so far, but our social media is just a few months old, so we'll see :)
[17:46] <dholbach> awesome
[17:47] <pleia2> we also leveraged existing social media outlets - the facebook and g+ things already existed when we made them "official"
[17:47] <elfy> some people do dholbach - that elfy guy did and look what he ended up holding
[17:47] <pleia2> linkedin too
[17:47] <dholbach> :-)
[17:47] <dholbach> where do you feel you'd need help the most?
[17:47] <Unit193> pleia2: Whereever we picked up lderan.
[17:47] <pleia2> oh, we've gotten new contributors in general, just not sure about how many from social media (elfy has been around ubuntu forever!)
[17:48] <skellat> pleia2: I wandered in from the shadows more fully around vUDS-1303
[17:49] <elfy> pleia2: thanks - now I feel really old :p
[17:49] <pleia2> probably development help, there are always more things we want to get done in a cycle
[17:49] <pleia2> elfy: <3
[17:50] <pleia2> really happy that we got a bunch of clean-up work done for 13.04, ended up being a really solid release but not particularly innovative :)
[17:50] <dholbach> I'm sure your users appreciate "really solid" :)
[17:50] <pleia2> indeed!
[17:50] <skellat> With luck we'll get apt-offline seeded this cycle too
[17:51] <pleia2> hoping for 4.12 as well, but we're dependent upon upstream and not sure it will land in time
[17:51] <pleia2> xfce ^^
[17:51] <dholbach> I'm all set in terms of questions :)
[17:51] <pleia2> we're meeting with jono next week to discuss Mir
[17:51] <dholbach> ah yes, he mentioned it in passing
[17:51] <dholbach> beuno, Gwaihir, czajkowski? more questions?
[17:54] <pleia2> thanks xubuntu folks :)
[17:54] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[17:54] <elfy> cheers
[17:55] <skellat> cheers
[17:55]  * dholbach hugs you all!
[17:55] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:55] <pleia2> anyone have anything else? :)
[17:55] <dholbach> no, I'm all set
[17:57] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[17:57] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul  4 17:57:05 2013 UTC.
[17:57] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-04-17.00.moin.txt
[17:57] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-04-17.00.html
[17:57] <Unit193> Danke.
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[21:58] <Ethan-Kurt> Countdown (Only 2 minutes left)
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[22:00] <s-fox> hello
[22:00] <hggdh> are we all set?
[22:00] <s-fox> o/
[22:00] <hggdh> #startmeeting 2200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jul  4 22:00:44 2013 UTC.  The chair is hggdh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <hggdh> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 2200 UTC meeting for July 4th, 2013.
[22:00] <IdleOne> o/
[22:00] <PabloRubianes> hello all
[22:00] <iulian> \o
[22:00] <hggdh> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[22:01] <hggdh> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:01] <hggdh> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:01] <hggdh> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:01] <hggdh> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[22:02] <hggdh> #voter micahg s-fox PabloRubianes IdleOne iulian hggdh
[22:02] <hggdh> hum, where's the response?
[22:03] <s-fox> i had my vote notification
[22:03] <IdleOne> try #voters
[22:03] <hggdh> nevermind. So, now, for the first candidate
[22:03] <hggdh> #voters micahg s-fox PabloRubianes IdleOne iulian hggdh
[22:03] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes hggdh iulian micahg s-fox
[22:03] <hggdh> yeah
[22:04] <hggdh> Dolasilla: please present yorself
[22:04] <Dolasilla> Hi all! :)
[22:04] <iulian> Hi there.
[22:04] <Dolasilla> This is Silvia, I am an Italian computer engineer currently living in France.
[22:05] <Dolasilla> I have joined the Ubuntu community around 2007 through the UbuntuWomen group
[22:05] <Dolasilla> with the goal to involve more people, particularly women, in the community
[22:05] <Dolasilla> later I got in touch with the Italian loco team (around 2010)
[22:06] <Dolasilla> where I am mainly active in the promotion group, writing on a weelky basis on the newsletter, contributing to presentations with talks
[22:06] <Dolasilla> and some other activites
[22:06] <IdleOne> Dolasilla: Please link to your wiki page
[22:06] <Dolasilla> I also work on the italian ubuntu website, and give some contribution to translations
[22:06] <Dolasilla> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SilviaBindelli
[22:06] <Dolasilla> I am currently in the board uf Ubuntu Women
[22:07] <Dolasilla> and, in Italy, I contributed to create the local chapter of the group
[22:07] <IdleOne> Lots of impressive work :)
[22:07] <iulian> Very nice.
[22:07] <hggdh> yep. So...
[22:07] <PabloRubianes> yes nice work!
[22:07] <s-fox> i am impressed
[22:07] <s-fox> :)
[22:08] <Dolasilla> :) thanks
[22:08] <PabloRubianes> let's vote
[22:08] <PabloRubianes> :)
[22:08] <s-fox> agreed
[22:08] <hggdh> #vote for Dolasilla as an Ubuntu Member
[22:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: for Dolasilla as an Ubuntu Member
[22:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:08] <iulian> +1 Keep up the good work.
[22:08] <meetingology> +1 Keep up the good work. received from iulian
[22:08] <IdleOne> +1
[22:08] <s-fox> +1 nice work :D
[22:08] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:08] <meetingology> +1 nice work :D received from s-fox
[22:08] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:08] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:08] <hggdh> +1 no question :-)
[22:08] <meetingology> +1 no question :-) received from hggdh
[22:08] <micahg> +1
[22:08] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[22:09] <IdleOne> #endvote
[22:09] <hggdh> #endvote
[22:09] <meetingology> Voting ended on: for Dolasilla as an Ubuntu Member
[22:09] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:09] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:09] <IdleOne> Congrats Dolasilla!!!
[22:09] <PabloRubianes> congrats Dolasilla keep the work going!
[22:09] <s-fox> congratulations
[22:09] <hggdh> Dolasilla: welcome!
[22:09] <Dolasilla> thanks!!! :)
[22:09] <Gwaihir> congrats Dolasilla! \o/
[22:09] <Deindre> congrats Dolasilla!!!
[22:09] <Dolasilla> thank you all :)
[22:09] <kokoye2007> congratulations Dolasilla
[22:09] <s-fox> thank you for your efforts
[22:09] <neo31> congratulations Dolasilla
[22:09] <yeminn> Congratulations Dolasilla
[22:10] <Dolasilla> thanks :)
[22:10] <hggdh> salih-emin: please introduce yourself, and link your wiki and launchpad pages
[22:10] <saimawnkham> Congratulations Dolasilla
[22:10] <salih-emin> Hi !
[22:10] <thohi> Great Ubuntu woman
[22:10] <salih-emin> My name is Salih, I live and work as an IT Consultant in Greece
[22:10] <salih-emin> here is my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SalihEmin
[22:11] <salih-emin> I have been in the Linux world since 2002
[22:11] <salih-emin> and with Ubuntu since 2007
[22:12] <salih-emin> My daily work with members of Ubuntu Greece is giving advices
[22:12] <salih-emin> and support for any kind of problem
[22:13] <salih-emin> but most of my job is advocating the use of Ubuntu for evrey day jobs
[22:14] <salih-emin> I love helping new users to get involved with Ubuntu and the community
[22:14] <hggdh> salih-emin: please wait a bit, we are discussing it in the background
[22:15] <salih-emin> ok !
[22:15] <salih-emin> :)
[22:19] <hggdh> #voters chilicui1
[22:19] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes chilicui1 hggdh iulian micahg s-fox
[22:19] <chilicui1> salih-emin, it seems like optimus kernel has been left a little behind, do you plans to trying to push your changes to the ubuntu kernel?
[22:20] <salih-emin> yes that is true, I am working on providing it through PPA rather than
[22:20] <salih-emin> downloadable deb packages
[22:20] <hggdh> #vote on salih-emin for Ubuntu membership
[22:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: on salih-emin for Ubuntu membership
[22:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:20] <hggdh> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[22:20] <iulian> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[22:20] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:20] <eliasps> +1
[22:20] <s-fox> +1
[22:20] <IdleOne> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:20] <chilicui1> +1, incredible work, you radiate energy, it will be our pleasure to have you with us
[22:20] <meetingology> +1, incredible work, you radiate energy, it will be our pleasure to have you with us received from chilicui1
[22:20] <micahg> +1
[22:20] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[22:20] <hggdh> #endvote
[22:20] <meetingology> Voting ended on: on salih-emin for Ubuntu membership
[22:20] <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:20] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:20] <IdleOne> Congrats salih-emin and welcome.
[22:20] <hggdh> salih-emin: welcome!
[22:21] <salih-emin> thank you all !!!!
[22:21] <tr3quart1sta> congrats!!!
[22:21] <chilicui1> welcome aboard salih-emin =)
[22:21] <kokoye2007> welcome 2 ubuntu-member salih-emin
[22:21] <PabloRubianes> congrats salih-emin
[22:21] <Ethan-Kurt> congrats ubuntu-member salih-emin
[22:21] <salih-emin> thank you all, proud to be member !
[22:22] <htutmyat> Congrats salih-emin :)
[22:22] <NikTh> Congratulations salih-emin . Welcome aboard. :-)
[22:22] <neo31> conratulations salih-emin
[22:22] <salih-emin> thank you all !
[22:22] <Ck> Cheer salih-emin
[22:22] <saimawnkham> congrats salih :)
[22:23] <Ck> =1
[22:23] <Ck> +1
[22:23] <Ck> hello next ?
[22:24] <IdleOne> patience :)
[22:24] <thohi> :)
[22:24] <kokoye2007> we are sleepless local 4:30 AM  IdleOne  :P
[22:25] <IdleOne> For all the people who applied from Myanmar. We are happy that such a large number of you want to become Ubuntu members. We do have some concerns though...
[22:25] <htutmyat> :)
[22:25] <PabloRubianes> kokoye2007, I told the Myanmar this time was not so good for you
[22:26] <Ethan-Kurt> We all really are contributor and we hope to be a Ubuntu-Member
[22:26] <lugyimin> :)
[22:26] <IdleOne> The main concern we have is that all of your wiki pages appear to be very similar in terms of contributions. We like to see a more personal listing of what each member has done on his/her own.
[22:26] <iulian> We don't offer membership to a group, but rather to individuals. It looks like all your wiki pages are the same,  more or less. The testimonials have been given between you guys, except for one person who's already a member (Pyae Sone). Having said that, I would like you to put some effort in writing your own wiki page with detailed explanation of what your contributions are.
[22:27] <iulian> We are sure that you guys are doing good work out there but your wiki pages are way too similar. So we cannot really judge who's doing what.
[22:27] <IdleOne> So, what the Membership Board has decided to do is to postpone the voting to our email list and give you all an extra 7 days before we start voting.
[22:28] <iulian> Or you guys can even extend that 7 days to whatever you think is best for you.
[22:28] <Ethan-Kurt> We can also write down in here.
[22:28] <Ck> becuse of we contributing with group in Myanmar . We go together all around the state .
[22:28] <kokoye2007> all are Ubuntu-MM Core Memer
[22:28] <IdleOne> We hope you all understand that we want to make sure we have all the information possible so that we can make the best decision for the Ubuntu community.
[22:28] <kokoye2007> _member
[22:29] <Ethan-Kurt> In our country, it's 05:00am and we didn't sleep just for a while
[22:29] <Ck> that's why our team leader make a templates.
[22:29] <Ck> What we all are...
[22:29] <Ethan-Kurt> sure! our template are the same because we contributed together
[22:29] <kokoye2007> when we go event and make event
[22:29] <Ethan-Kurt> that's why we have the same template
[22:29] <kokoye2007> together whenever
[22:30] <Ethan-Kurt> you can see our activities at  http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-mm
[22:30] <iulian> Ethan-Kurt: Then please document that in your wiki pages. Like we said above we don't grant membership to an entire group.
[22:30] <PabloRubianes> I understand that but this is an individual process
[22:30] <kokoye2007> all about is my mistake
[22:30] <htutmyat> Why not the chance like the 2 above ?
[22:31] <Ethan-Kurt> Our individual project is shown on "About me"
[22:31] <saimawnkham> its ok.
[22:31] <saimawnkham> i quit
[22:31] <htutmyat> you can dicusss with each ,that are not real or not ,right ?
[22:31] <kokoye2007> who is ubuntu-mm core member - approval in template :(
[22:31] <kokoye2007> upset
[22:31] <iulian> Ethan-Kurt: No, that section is just "About me". It's not saying anything about your contributions to Ubuntu.
[22:32] <kokoye2007> who seen wiki, who see activity
[22:32] <Ethan-Kurt> Dear iulian, it's okay you decided like this.
[22:32] <chilicui1> let's make this clear, we're not rejecting your applications, we just want to make sure we're not approving in batch, so we're giving you 7 more days to polish your wiki pages, then we'll vote for your approval
[22:32] <Ethan-Kurt> I can still contribute even I am not the member of Ubuntu
[22:32] <IdleOne> Please try to understand that we are not trying to punish anybody. What we want is to give each one of you the best possible chance at approval.
[22:33] <Ethan-Kurt> I've just seen the contributing power
[22:33] <Ethan-Kurt> no wiki
[22:33] <Ethan-Kurt> whatever, you are the boardmember.
[22:33] <IdleOne> We are not rejecting any of you at this time
[22:33] <Ethan-Kurt> you can decided what you want to
[22:33] <Ethan-Kurt> thanks
[22:33] <IdleOne> I want that to be clear
[22:33] <yeminn> I see, chilicui1 :)
[22:33] <Ethan-Kurt> upset :(
[22:33] <IdleOne> kokoye2007: you are the loco contact correct?
[22:34] <kokoye2007> yes IdleOne
[22:34] <kokoye2007> i am ubuntu-mm leader and ubuntu-member
[22:34] <IdleOne> ok Please hold for a moment
[22:34] <Ck> We are grouply contributing Ubuntu in our country . and than Yangon city Development Committe (YCDC) already change Ubuntu Os because of  our team.our group .
[22:34] <kokoye2007> IdleOne: it's my idea and my mistake
[22:35] <Ethan-Kurt> Currently, I am the Ubuntu instructor and technical supporter of  Yangon City Development Committee (Government Sector) and University of Computer Studies in Thaton.
[22:35] <kokoye2007> but they are real activity Ubuntu Contributor
[22:35] <kokoye2007> ok skip it. ;P
[22:35] <Ck> that'swhy we always says I am what I am because of who we all are.
[22:35] <IdleOne> kokoye2007: you did not make any mistakes. Everybody please calm down
[22:35] <Ethan-Kurt> Most of my times have been passed by contributing Ubuntu
[22:35] <PabloRubianes> please could you hold the chat a little
[22:35] <Ck> and than We can't sleep for hole night .
[22:37] <iulian> Please don't get us wrong here. We are just trying to point you guys in the right direction so that next time when you come to the meeting we won't have to talk about this matters again. We have acknowledged the fact that you guys are doing excellent job with your group.
[22:37] <Ethan-Kurt> Okay.
[22:37] <Ethan-Kurt> I'm done with all of you
[22:37] <iulian> It's just that we cannot really judge who is doing what. Maybe someone is doing much more than the other and we wouldn't want to grant membership to someone who's not doing anything or the like.
[22:38] <Ethan-Kurt> I will share this meeting log
[22:38] <Ethan-Kurt> in Google+ and
[22:38] <Ethan-Kurt> let decided the ppl
[22:38] <Ethan-Kurt> I am done with you
[22:38] <iulian> Hmm.
[22:38] <kokoye2007> launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mm-council is our admin team
[22:39] <kokoye2007> hey neo31
[22:39] <kokoye2007> time for you :)
[22:39] <IdleOne> kokoye2007: please join #ubuntu-rmb
[22:39] <Ck> pass me .
[22:39] <yeminn> dun be serious Ethan
[22:39] <Ck> next ok
[22:39] <iulian> kokoye2007: Could you please talk to Ethan and tell him to calm down?
[22:39] <hggdh> all: we are NOT refusing your application.
[22:39] <neo31> :)
[22:39] <kokoye2007> i think time is too short
[22:40] <IdleOne> hggdh: Please end the meeting until we can speak with kokoye2007
[22:40] <kokoye2007> sorry neo31,
[22:40] <thohi> yes, we understand . only different point of view
[22:40] <neo31> :(
[22:40] <neo31> is it my turn or is the meeting aborted kokoye2007 ?
[22:40] <Ck>  I'd love to sharing and contribute Ubuntu in Local community . And most of my life deeply invest in Ubuntu Development and try to exam LPI in next year and would like to proudly become Ubuntu Member.
[22:41] <Ck> who next ?
[22:41] <Ck> go ahead
[22:41] <neo31> ok
[22:41] <hggdh> neo31: it seems we will have to hold on you
[22:42] <IdleOne> wait!
[22:42] <neo31> Should I post my sentences hggdh ?
[22:42] <hggdh> neo31: yes, please go ahead
[22:42] <neo31> Thank you hggdh, hello dear members.
[22:42] <neo31> I am Ahmed Sghaier, a Tunisian software engineer and a network security and services IT specialist. My first experience with Linux was in 2002 and switched to it as my main OS in 2005.
[22:42] <neo31> Later in 2008 I have joined Ubuntu Tunisian LoCo team and became an active member in 2009.
[22:42] <neo31> I have been approved as a Freedom Fighter (approved active members) in the team in 2010 and joined the management commitee of the team in 2011.
[22:42] <chilicui1> hi neo31 welcome
[22:43] <neo31> In 2012 I was assisting our LoCo contact when possible, and I have been approved as the official LoCo contact in 2013 election. I am also now the secretary general of CLibre, a FLOSS NGO supporting Tunisian communities.
[22:43] <neo31> I have contributed to 25 IRL events during last years (local, national and international events as a speaker, workshop trainer, coordinator, organizer or assistant). I have contributed also on IRC, ML, forums and many of our sub teams (media, events, relations, documentation and reporting)
[22:43] <neo31> hi chilicui1 :)
[22:43] <neo31> this is my wiki page for review : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AhmedSghaier
[22:44] <chilicui1> neo31, do you photos or links to the conferences you've participated?
[22:44] <alaya> hi, I'm the former loco contact of Ubuntu-tn and a Ubuntu Member. I'm here to support Neo31
[22:45] <neo31> yes chilicui1 there are many links on events page
[22:45] <iulian> alaya: Great.
[22:45] <neo31> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/Events
[22:45] <chilicui1> neo31: thanks
[22:45] <neo31> some other links could be found also on our team report page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/TeamReports
[22:46] <neo31> I have uploaded some photos today to https://plus.google.com/photos/109786888015890437987/albums/5896864064045728145?authkey=CKrv-ITLl4a2Ow
[22:46] <neo31> unfortunately on of our main photos source got down lately and I am recollecting some other photos
[22:47] <neo31> but alaya can confirm my contributions to the events you want
[22:47] <chilicui1> I've seen you're interested in becoming a MOTU, however your lp account don't reflect activity in that area, are you having issues there?
[22:48] <neo31> we have been working on packaging workshops during UGJ
[22:49] <neo31> now that we have enough knowledge about packaging and how it works I became interested in joining the MOTU team
[22:49] <alaya> I confirm the participation of neo. there is a little problem in the servers of the free community here in tunisia (I have conctacted the admin)
[22:49] <neo31> I will be seeking a MOTU sponsor before next UGJ and organize some IRC classrooms for the team
[22:50] <chilicui1> got it neo31, just wondering
[22:50] <neo31> Then I will start contributing real packages to next releases before I apply to join the MOTU team
[22:50] <neo31> :) good chilicui1
[22:50] <iulian> neo31: #ubuntu-motu is always there to help you. ;-)
[22:50] <micahg> sounds good, MOTU can always use more help :)
[22:50] <neo31> sure iulian
[22:51] <hggdh> OK
[22:51] <iulian> neo31: Thanks for the information.
[22:51] <hggdh> #vote on neo31 for Ubuntu Membership
[22:51] <meetingology> Please vote on: on neo31 for Ubuntu Membership
[22:51] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:51] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:51] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:51] <iulian> +1 Great work.
[22:51] <meetingology> +1 Great work. received from iulian
[22:51] <IdleOne> +1
[22:51] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:51] <s-fox> +1
[22:51] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:51] <hggdh> +1 thank you for your work
[22:51] <meetingology> +1 thank you for your work received from hggdh
[22:51] <chilicui1> +1, I'm sure you will get MOTU and will keep up your nice contributions to the Ubuntu-TN team, thanks for inspire us
[22:51] <meetingology> +1, I'm sure you will get MOTU and will keep up your nice contributions to the Ubuntu-TN team, thanks for inspire us received from chilicui1
[22:52] <micahg> +1
[22:52] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[22:52] <hggdh> #endvote
[22:52] <meetingology> Voting ended on: on neo31 for Ubuntu Membership
[22:52] <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:52] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:52] <IdleOne> Congrats neo31 and welcome!
[22:52] <hggdh> neo31: welcome!
[22:52] <yeminn> Congratulations neo31!
[22:52] <yeminn> :)
[22:52] <neo31> Thank you very much :)
[22:52] <alaya> mabrouk (congrates)  neo  :)
[22:52] <chilicui1> welcome aboard neo31
[22:52] <Ck> congratulations Neo
[22:52] <thohi> neo31 cheer :)
[22:53] <iulian> Congratulations, neo31 and keep up the good work. I hope I will see you soon in #ubuntu-motu.
[22:53] <neo31> cheers, I will do my best to improve my contributions
[22:53] <hggdh> OK. Now I believe all the pending candidates are the ones involved in the current confusion. We are discussing with kokoye2007 in the backstage.
[22:53] <neo31> thank you iulian
[22:53] <hggdh> I will hold the meeting open for a while
[22:54] <PabloRubianes> congrats neo31
[22:54] <lunapersa> Congratulations  neo31
[22:54] <neo31> thank you PabloRubianes alaya lunapersa :)
[22:54] <salih-emin> neo31 congrats !
[22:55] <neo31> thank you salih-emin
[22:55] <hggdh> given the time -- 2255 UST, I will close this meeting. The conversation with kokoye2007 will keep on
[22:55] <hggdh> #endmeeting
[22:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul  4 22:55:26 2013 UTC.
[22:55] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-04-22.00.moin.txt
[22:55] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-04-22.00.html
[22:56] <IoannisM_> Salih congrats ! you deserve it! Keep walking
[22:57] <salih-emin> thanks IoannisM_ !