[00:00] <asdasdasda> reinstall is not an option.. just configured owncloud + dlna + crontab
[00:00] <mike1776> MestreLion, i am checking out that link now
[00:00] <asdasdasda> it took me a lot :D I am noobie
[00:00] <asdasdasda> :D
[00:00] <phunyguy> !noob
[00:00] <asdasdasda> pastebin would be great .. at leat to know the default sources.list file
[00:00] <MestreLion> mike1776: but it's not html... its a xml generated out of docbook files
[00:01] <Kitt3n> phunyguy, he said it about himself though ;p
[00:01] <phunyguy> asdasdasda: you can boot a livecd and grab the contents IIRC
[00:01] <phunyguy> just take out the CDROM portions
[00:01] <mike1776> MestreLion, ok
[00:01] <MestreLion> asdasdasda : i don't mean reinstall. I mean run a live CD and copy the contents of a brand new sources.list
[00:01] <asdasdasda> ok ..that is a good ideea :D and after that how can i get them to my virtualbox?
[00:01] <BillyZane> hi
[00:02] <phunyguy> you may have to enable a couple though, just add the ones from the liveCD, and then go to software sources and check to make sure it is right
[00:02] <BillyZane> i got a problem with an application that won't shut down
[00:02] <phunyguy> !ask | BillyZane
[00:02] <BillyZane> how do i shut down an application that won't close
[00:02] <phunyguy> BillyZane: alt+f2, and xkill, then click the app
[00:02] <asdasdasda> i don't have a x server running it is just CLI.. can i install x on ubuntu server?
[00:02] <BillyZane> hmm, thanks i'll try that
[00:02] <k1l_> asdasdasda: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/serverguide/configuration.html
[00:03] <phunyguy> asdasdasda: ubuntu-server?  ugh.... you didn't say that.  :)
[00:03] <BillyZane> phunyguy, holy crap
[00:03] <funky> hey hey
[00:03] <MestreLion> asdasdasda: either run a live CD or install to  new partition, or inside a VM... just to grab the file's contents, save, and delete the dummy install
[00:03] <Kitt3n> phunyguy, he did!
[00:03] <funky> do many people use ngix here?
[00:03] <phunyguy> BillyZane: ?
[00:03] <funky> nginx
[00:03] <phunyguy> !poll | funky
[00:03] <asdasdasda> phunyguy i did:D 10x kll_ are those the default ones?
[00:03] <orangerobot> i've installed icedtea-7-plugin but neither on chrome nor on firefox does it list icedtea as a plugin. only the regular java plugin is listed.
[00:03] <BillyZane> phunyguy, i can't believe it. i've tried so many things to close this app. that was hilariously easy
[00:04] <reisio> funky: I'm sure some people do, it's easily the best choice there is ATM
[00:04] <phunyguy> BillyZane: :)
[00:04] <Kitt3n> orangerobot, restart your computer? ;)
[00:04] <orangerobot> is there anything i must do after apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin?
[00:04] <orangerobot> Kitt3n: already tried that
[00:04] <mihneadb> hello. I want to compile my own ivy-bridge optimized + -ck patchset applied kernel on ubuntu. Is there an easy way of doing this? I know there was a ppa but it's unmaintained now
[00:05] <asdasdasda> ok last question can i run a live cd on virtualbox ? and still acces my curent partition ( from virtual box ) like i could with a livecd on normal computer ?
[00:05] <MestreLion> orangerobot: usually not, the update-alternatives should do the switch. did you restarted the browser?
[00:05] <phunyguy> mihneadb: nothing about that question was easy.
[00:05] <k1l_> asdasdasda: that are not all, i just see
[00:05] <orangerobot> MestreLion: yes. multiple times. both firefox and ubuntu
[00:05] <k1l_> asdasdasda: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[00:05] <BillyZane> phunyguy, the x window seemed to have been killed, but it seems to still be running
[00:05] <MestreLion> orangerobot: so maybe you need to manually remove the oracle's plugin and re-install icedtea
[00:06] <mihneadb> phunyguy: should I rephrase or the problem itself is hard?
[00:06] <MestreLion> asdasdasda: you can share folders from host to VM
[00:06] <BillyZane> phunyguy, i did "ps -e|grep vlc" and it shows up as a running thread, i tried to kill the thread with "sudo kill #" , it still won't close
[00:06] <phunyguy> milardovich: it seems like something /very/ out of the ordinary, and may be beyond the scope of the channel
[00:06] <Kitt3n> mihneadb, I doubt you're gonna be able to do that if you have to come here to ask.
[00:06] <asdasdasda> k1l_ can you answer my last question plizz if i can ..i know how to fix it .. MestreLion i don't know how .. is it default ( or do i have to install extra things?)
[00:06] <phunyguy> BillyZane: are you playing a video from a samba share?
[00:06] <BillyZane> yes
[00:06] <phunyguy> thats a known bug.
[00:06] <BillyZane> well, i was
[00:07] <A1Recon> What is th e command to list every single file in a drive along with its size and put it as a text file?
[00:07] <phunyguy> reboot is the only way to really kill it
[00:07] <joshlegs> so i'm tryingto get my wireless working. i have this card
[00:07] <joshlegs> 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8179 (rev 01)
[00:07] <funky> reisio thanks
[00:07] <mihneadb> Kitt3n: I know how to apply the patches myself. I was hoping to find a script or something that someone already wrote so I don't have to reinvent the wheel
[00:07] <BillyZane> phunyguy, but i've been playing over samba with no issues for awhile
[00:07] <joshlegs> but it seems i dont have drivers for it. kinda stuck now
[00:07] <phunyguy> BillyZane: I understand, are you using gvfs?
[00:07] <Kitt3n> mihneadb, apply the patches and compile the kernel?
[00:07] <BillyZane> umm.. i'm not sure
[00:07] <MestreLion> asdasdasda: just do a network share of a folder...
[00:08] <BillyZane> phunyguy, the app is the default app i believe, i don't recall ever having installed vlc
[00:08] <phunyguy> BillyZane: regular ubuntu?
[00:08] <asdasdasda> ok 10x a lot guys i'll try  what you said ..have a good night
[00:08] <mihneadb> Kitt3n: sure. there's also checking the code from vcs and what not. Ok, I'll do it myself. thanks :)
[00:09] <MestreLion> asdasdasda: a VM guest can "talk"  to a host via LAN, so just create a shared folder from within the VM, and access it via nautilus "Network Folders" in host
[00:09] <Kitt3n> mihneadb, I only know how to run a make file to compile a C++ application/library :P Sorry I couldn't be of much help.
[00:09] <mihneadb> ok :) np
[00:09] <BillyZane> well, it's ubuntu 13.04, but i've installed, in my experimentation of other desktops, KDE-desktop and xubuntu-desktop, as well as xfce4, and probably 2 or 3 other desktops. so when i launch from grub, it says i have kubuntu, then while it loads, it says xubuntu, then finally, it goes in to an ubuntu password screen. it's really convoluted
[00:09] <funky> I dont need to install bind if I admin dns via domain registar right?
[00:10] <reisio> funky: try #ubuntu-server
[00:10] <Kitt3n> BillyZane, sounds like you've made a mess out of your operating system.
[00:10] <phunyguy> BillyZane: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1077696
[00:10] <wilee-nilee> BillyZane, but it boots to anyone of them right.
[00:10] <BillyZane> thanks, i'll read it
[00:10] <markovh> suggested channel for android on phonse?
[00:10] <reisio> #android
[00:10] <BillyZane> Kitt3n, yes, lol. well, this is my first time using a linux OS, i can't say it's perfect but i really can't go back to windows
[00:11] <markovh> sorry ubuntu on phone
[00:11] <markovh> my bad
[00:11] <MestreLion> BillyZane: vlc is only pre-installed in Mint, not ubuntu
[00:11] <BillyZane> phunyguy, thanks, i'll check that out
[00:11] <phunyguy> #ubuntu-touch
[00:11] <phunyguy> !touch
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> markovh, #android if rooted #android-root
[00:11] <reisio> ...
[00:11] <BillyZane> wilee-nilee: yes, i can load in to anyone, but i use xubuntu
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> markovh, #ubuntu-touch
[00:11] <kourpa> Alright Kitt3n if rebooting now hopefully it worked!
[00:11] <reisio> markovh: in case you needed it a third time :p
[00:11] <MestreLion> BillyZane: and vlc has known issues accessing nfs mounts
[00:12] <graingert> BillyZane: that seems normal
[00:12] <BillyZane> MestreLion, oh i see. i don't recall ever installing it, so it probably came with the other desktop packages?
[00:12] <graingert> BillyZane: you installed from Kubuntu by default
[00:12] <BillyZane> MestreLion, yes they are NFS mounts
[00:12] <graingert> BillyZane: by CD*
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> BillyZane, When you load the desktop it adds a splash screen for its release, what is the final goal here?
[00:12] <BillyZane> graingert, i don't recall doing that. i think i installed ubuntu 12.10 from a CD that i burned
[00:12] <graingert> BillyZane: you need to sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[00:13] <graingert> BillyZane: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/quick-tipplymouth-themes-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[00:13] <graingert> then you can pick which login you use
[00:13] <BillyZane> wilee-nilee, umm. what do you mean?
[00:13] <BillyZane> graingert, ok, checking out link
[00:13] <BillyZane> ugh, firefox is not responding
[00:13] <graingert> BillyZane: and to change the login thingy use: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html
[00:13] <wilee-nilee> BillyZane, You want one desktop or all, the answer to life...etc
[00:13] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[00:14] <BillyZane> oh, i have to mention, all my problems started after installing boinc
[00:14] <BillyZane> my systems been really unstable. it's ridiculous
[00:14] <BillyZane> i feel i should uninstall it, or stop running it
[00:15] <BillyZane> ok, i've exited boinc
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> BillyZane, I ask as you can remove whole desktops with package lists.
[00:15] <BillyZane> wilee-nilee, i do want to remove some of the desktops
[00:15] <BillyZane> wilee-nilee, for example, i don't ever use KDE
[00:16] <Kitt3n> BillyZane, the best solution is to choose one you like and just do a clean install with that environment :)
[00:16] <BillyZane> graingert, regarding the default splash screen, i like the default ubuntu one
[00:17] <BillyZane> Kitt3n, that probably is for the best. however, i feel i've put too much effort in to installing all the programs that i like
[00:17] <graingert> having multiple env's is generally a pain
[00:17] <wilee-nilee> BillyZane, Check out playing around left panel, make sure you use the lists associated with the ubuntu release. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/
[00:17] <graingert> but Mate and Unity on the same box work fine
[00:18] <graingert> (for me)
[00:18] <BillyZane> i like having multiple environments for experimental purposes
[00:18] <BillyZane> i've never tried out mate
[00:18] <BillyZane> so i feel like putting on yet another layer
[00:19] <BillyZane> but i feel it would be ridiculous
[00:20] <wilee-nilee> BillyZane, I have unity and the shell, I tend to install other OS rather than desktops stacked up.
[00:20] <Kitt3n> BillyZane, I know Cinnamon isn't healthy for Ubuntu, so you shouldn't try that.
[00:20] <BillyZane> phunyguy, thanks for the link, it seems it really is a vlc issue
[00:21] <BillyZane> Kitt3n, oh ok. thanks, i'll avoid it :)
[00:21] <phunyguy> y/w
[00:23] <BillyZane> wilee-nilee, i feel i've found the environment i like best, xfce. however, i feel mate is something i should try out of principal. i think i'll attempt removing KDE desktop
[00:23] <lauratika> i have this issues with workspace have 8 of them but i can only switch to the ones on the right. http://imgbox.com/gallery/edit/oANwMLOzEy/yTNFmzr0dCiN9MCK
[00:24] <mike1776> MestreLion, you still here?
[00:25] <mike1776> where'd everybody go?
[00:25] <mike1776> server issues??
[00:25] <Kitt3n> Hi, mike1776! Do you need anything?
[00:25] <Chavi> hi
[00:26] <Chavi> lol
[00:26] <mike1776> MestreLion was helping me with creating a help file...  i just came back to tell him nvm
[00:26] <mike1776> Kitt3n, thanks anyways,,,
[00:26] <mike1776> going now
[00:26] <mike1776> peace and love  :)
[00:26] <Kitt3n> No problem! Bye bye.
[00:27] <tannji> Got a question about surfing my directories....   if I am in /etc,  what is the path to it?  "/root/user/etc"  ?
[00:27] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, type pwd
[00:27] <brontosaurusrex> and no, its just /etc
[00:27] <Kitt3n> ^
[00:29] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  ok, just trying to picture the path.  setting up a printer, was trying to find "init.d" for it, and couldnt find it via search in the file manager
[00:29] <reisio> brontosaurusrex: you aren't a real dinosaur
[00:29] <BillyZane> can anyone recommend a good vlc alternative?
[00:29] <brontosaurusrex> reisio, how can you tell?
[00:29] <brontosaurusrex> BillyZane, mplayer2
[00:30] <Kitt3n> BillyZane, Dragon Player from KDE
[00:30] <reisio> that's private
[00:30] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  so if i need to tell the printer where "init.d" is, the path will just be "/etc/init.d"?
[00:30] <reisio> BillyZane: gnome-mplayer
[00:30] <BillyZane> Kitt3n, i have dragon player and for some reason it crashes
[00:30] <reisio> BillyZane: what don't you like about VLC?
[00:30] <BillyZane> reisio, it keeps crashing when streaming over samba
[00:30] <Kitt3n> BillyZane, reboot into KDE?
[00:30] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, if that is the actual existing file, then yes
[00:30] <BillyZane> brontosaurusrex, i'll check that out
[00:30] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  kk...  and ya, thats it
[00:30] <BillyZane> Kitt3n, hmm... i guess that could work
[00:30] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  thanks
[00:31] <Kitt3n> BillyZane, KDE is really nice once you get used to it
[00:32] <BillyZane> Kitt3n, it's pretty good looking, but i really like the simplicity of xfce
[00:32] <brontosaurusrex> Kitt3n, seriously, what do you like about kde?
[00:32] <Kitt3n> brontosaurusrex, EVERYTHING, it reminds me of Windows but it's not Windows :D
[00:32]  * brontosaurusrex chokes
[00:32] <BillyZane> lol
[00:32] <brontosaurusrex> ok
[00:33] <reisio> all the major DEs (and most any wm with a panel) can work just like Windows, so...
[00:33] <BillyZane> it seems i already have mplayer2 installed
[00:33] <Kitt3n> I didn't like the Kubuntu installer though, it didn't handle grub-efi failing too well :<
[00:35] <brontosaurusrex> what reisio said
[00:35] <Kitt3n> KDE looks so good too.
[00:36] <kourpa> Kitt3n, it worked! Thank you very much for the help.
[00:36] <reisio> for example, here's FVWM looking like Windows 2000: http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm95-horen.jpg
[00:36] <reisio> the source for FVWM is like 2.5MB
[00:36] <Kitt3n> kourpa, no problem, but remember, you have to do the same thing for each time you update your kernel *rolls eyes*
[00:36] <kourpa> oh that is a shame...
[00:36] <Kitt3n> It's 'annoying'
[00:37] <kourpa> good thing I took a screenshot so I won't forget how to do it.
[00:37] <Kitt3n> Ya'll get used to doing it~
[00:38] <BillyZane> looks like gnome-media-player does not have network streaming
[00:38] <tannji> I just made a script for installing a printer and saved it. when I tried to run it (PrinterInstall.sh)  it said "command not found"   any ideas why?
[00:38] <reisio> BillyZane: doesn't need it if you're using samba
[00:38] <reisio> BillyZane: but try sshfs with vlc
[00:39] <kourpa> I suppose. Regardless, Thanks.
[00:39] <Kitt3n> tannji, cd to the folder and run it as "./<filename>" :)
[00:39] <BillyZane> umm.. vlc is zombied at the moment. i'll have to restart. i don't really know how to use samba, i tried smb://pc/drive/ in the file location address and it wouldn't work
[00:40] <tannji> Kitt3n,  will do
[00:42] <tannji> Kitt3n,  same result, command not found
[00:42] <Kitt3n> tannji, That's not right, are you sure you're in the correct directory?
[00:43] <Nerp> I'm seeing a lot of 'kernel: [ 4403.466363] TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 8140. Sending cookies.' in my system log, does anyone have any advice on how to go about solving or at least identifying the issue?
[00:43] <tannji> Kitt3n,   yepper, di "ls" and file is sitting right there....  PrinterInstall.sh
[00:43] <tannji> did*
[00:43] <Kitt3n> "./PrinterInstall.sh" in the terminal should start the script.
[00:44] <tannji> Kitt3n,  its in "documents, and so am I
[00:44] <luckybunny> hi folks
[00:44] <Kitt3n> tannji, how about you copy the script to your desktop and try from there?
[00:44] <Kitt3n> Hi luckybunny! :)
[00:45] <tannji> Kitt3n,  I tried it with an without the ".sh"  neither worked.  will try from desktop... but what would that do differently?
[00:45] <luckybunny> I have set up my TV as a second X display. Trouble is, the TV display is all white with a small x as a cursor. i'd rather have a full desktop on there to launch vlc from when I want to use my TV as a video player
[00:45] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, you need to make it executable, like "chmod +x ./script"
[00:45] <luckybunny> at the moment I've been able to bypass it by using terminal to launch vlc on display 0.1
[00:46] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,   so cd to same directory and run chmod?
[00:46] <brontosaurusrex> yes
[00:46] <Kitt3n> Yup.
[00:46] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  will do thanks
[00:47] <luckybunny> I was just hoping there's a way to get it set up to use the unity desktop to do that, or indeed just control the TV output via the computer display (rather than squinting to see tiny stuff across the room
[00:48] <tannji> so ~$ is my home directory, correct?
[00:48] <Kitt3n> tannji, yup.
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> tannji, ~/
[00:48] <Kitt3n> tannji, Actually ~/ is your home directory ;p
[00:49] <tannji> Kitt3n,   this is what I am not getting about the paths...  I am in ~$, and I see Desktop lsited in that directory, but I cant cd /Desktop
[00:49] <wilee-nilee> tannji, ~/Desktop
[00:49] <Kitt3n> ^
[00:49] <tannji> so what is ~$ then?
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> Doh not correct, o not sure on desktop
[00:50] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: starting with / implies that you're starting from the filesystem's root
[00:50] <luckybunny> anyone?
[00:50] <tannji> Seven_Six_Two,  right
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> tannji, this is it. cd ~/Desktop
[00:50] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: you're desktop is something like /home/username/Desktop
[00:50] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, ~ is user home dir
[00:50] <martisj> morning
[00:50] <ThreeMag> ...
[00:51] <brontosaurusrex> so if you "cd ~" it will bring you to /home/someuser
[00:51] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: ~ mplies your home.
[00:51] <Seven_Six_Two> you don't even have to put ~
[00:51] <Seven_Six_Two> you can just use cd to get to your home
[00:51] <tannji> Seven_Six_Two,   that!  it screws me up that its /home/username/Desktop, because you dont see that when you do PWD
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> brontosaurusrex, For home it is cd ~/
[00:52] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: you don't
[00:52] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: sorry. you don't? I do.
[00:52] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: just "cd ~" works the / isn't required
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I wondered that thanks.
[00:52] <Seven_Six_Two> zykotick9: neither is the ~
[00:53] <brontosaurusrex> what Seven_Six_Two said, cd alone is minimum
[00:53] <zykotick9> Seven_Six_Two: true, but that ONLY works for cd, but ~ can be used for lots of stuff ;)
[00:53] <tannji> OK, I am in ~$ at the moment, so what is that?
[00:53] <Seven_Six_Two> zykotick9: excellent point!
[00:53] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: that's your home dir
[00:53] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, pwd says what?
[00:53] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: /home/tannji
[00:55] <tannji> so when I am in "~$" and I do "PWD"  it returns "~$"   so now I need to know that that is home, and being I am the only user, it is /username/home?
[00:56] <Kitt3n> tannji, yes.
[00:56] <tannji> $)(*$(&@#     = )   I am getting close to being able to do this stuff via cli... but  that has been killing me.  why doesnt it show the full path?
[00:57] <Kitt3n> Why should it?
[00:57] <Kitt3n> ;p
[00:57] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, it does here, possibly something to do with how shell is configured
[00:57] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: no, your home is not /username/home it's /home/username
[00:58] <tannji> Kitt3n,   honestly?  if for no other reason, ubuntu is geared towards encouraging idiots like me to do this... and its the only part of the directory business that I have seen that isnt somewhat intuitive
[00:58] <martisj> I am trying to read the apache2 log files in /var/log but I can't cd into the directory. What could that be?
[00:58] <tannji> Seven_Six_Two,  right, meant that  = )
[00:59] <Kitt3n> tannji, if you really wanna have a go at learning, set up a virtual install of Arch Linux ;)
[00:59] <brontosaurusrex> martisj, any errors?
[00:59] <tannji> Kitt3n,  this is where I make a sincere but inappropriate remark and get warned by ubotto  = )
[01:00] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: what are you doing? Some regex?
[01:00] <Kitt3n> ./query kitt3n that then~
[01:00] <martisj> brontosaurusrex: sudo: cd: command not found
[01:00] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: because you aren't in the www-data group?
[01:00] <tannji> trying to install a brother laser printer via a little .sh script
[01:00] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: i can run it as sudo
[01:00] <brontosaurusrex> martisj, what is your exact command?
[01:00] <martisj> i have to password
[01:00] <martisj> sudo cd apache2
[01:01] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: no, fix the permissions or add yourself to the group
[01:01] <martisj> do i need to login as root and then cd?
[01:01] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: could that in anyway compromise the server?
[01:01] <martisj> i am not sysadmin and don't want to get screwed by the sysadm
[01:01] <mike1776> does anyone know of a way to download the nemo file manager without it installing all of cinnamon in addition?  i dont want cinnamon, just nemo
[01:01] <tannji> thanks for help guys, gotta run and do a little 07/04 social business.  bbiab to finish this
[01:02] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: you should fix the permissions to allow you instead of elevating your own permissions. No, unless you've done some horrible configuring. It's outside of the webroot
[01:02] <Kitt3n> mike1776, I say, STAY far far far away from Cinnamon and nemo.
[01:02] <mike1776> well, just the feature of right click, create launcher...
[01:02] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: okay thanks
[01:02] <mike1776> Kitt3n, why do you say that?
[01:02] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: no, you should add yourself to whatever group is on the folder's permissions so that you can get there.
[01:02] <martisj> i don't have a separate account on this server, i ssh in with a shared account
[01:02] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: np
[01:03] <Kitt3n> mike1776, you can't download just nemo, cinnamon follows. It trashed my operating system to a point where repairing it was pointless.
[01:03] <mike1776> i am pretty newb,,,  but i seem to like nemo in the past
[01:03] <martisj> drwxr-x---  2 root   adm      apache2
[01:03] <martisj> is adm the group?
[01:03] <mike1776> Kitt3n, i see
[01:03] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: yes
[01:03] <martisj> so i need to add this user to that group?
[01:03] <martisj> seems bloody odd that ol' mate sysadm didn't do this already
[01:03] <mike1776> Kitt3n, do you know of any of the other gui file managers which carry this feature?
[01:04] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: exactly. Unfortunately you'll have to find the syntax and command somewhere else
[01:04] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: not to be rude, I just don't know. A quick search will reveal what you need, and all will be well with the world.
[01:04] <Kitt3n> mike1776, I think KDE can create launchers easily.
[01:04] <mike1776> Kitt3n, being able to create a launcher file or a hyperlink file with the right click menu how nautilus used to have
[01:04] <mike1776> ooh
[01:05] <mike1776> Kitt3n, maybe i can download dolphin(?) without all of KDE....  i was able to get kolourpaint without a problem
[01:05] <mike1776> Kolourpaint4 is awesome
[01:05] <Kitt3n> I am pretty sure the KDE applications rely on KDE to work.
[01:05] <Seven_Six_Two> mike1776: it will likely depend on some of the common libs, but you shouldn't have to install the whole shebang
[01:05] <Kitt3n> Well, most of them anyway.
[01:06] <A1Recon> How to list all the files in a drive??
[01:06] <mike1776> Seven_Six_Two, looks good
[01:06] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: thanks
[01:06] <Seven_Six_Two> A1Recon: how many partitions?
[01:06] <mike1776> in synaptic, there are like four dependencies
[01:06] <A1Recon> Seven_Six_Two: One partition only... External HDD
[01:06] <mike1776> thats it
[01:07] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: i'm fine with finding the syntax, it's more figuring out a good and secure way to get it right :)
[01:07] <Seven_Six_Two> A1Recon:     ls -alr
[01:07] <martisj> sysadm suggested i just do sudo su
[01:07] <martisj> :S
[01:07] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: well, it's their box! That's not advised with ubuntu.
[01:08] <mike1776> Kitt3n, oh yeah, dolphin seems to have JUST what i was looking for
[01:08] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: that's why the permissions are there.
[01:08] <mike1776> i forgot how much i liked that fm
[01:08] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: wish he could see this.
[01:08] <martisj> anywho.
[01:08] <Kitt3n> mike1776, it also behaves better than nautilus
[01:08] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: this channel is logged publicly
[01:08] <Seven_Six_Two> !log
[01:09] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: your wish can come true!
[01:09] <martisj> hahaha
[01:09] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: thanks
[01:09] <Seven_Six_Two> martisj: np. good luck
[01:10] <martisj> Seven_Six_Two: merci
[01:12] <A1Recon> Seven_Six_Two: Nope did not work! I want to list every single file in every single folder on that drive ....
[01:12] <phunyguy> A1Recon: try the tree command?
[01:13] <partounian> Hey guys currently my machine is using  1.7 GiB of memory, and caching about 10, this is totally fine right? Only 148 KiB of 2.4Gib is being used for Swap.
[01:13] <brontosaurusrex> martisj, on wheezy this will work (without changing any permissions or user groups): sudo su, then cd to apache2
[01:13] <phunyguy> partounian: it is only a problem if YOU see it as a problem.
[01:13] <martisj> brontosaurusrex: yeah that's what i did and it worked
[01:13] <martisj> which version is wheezy?
[01:14] <martisj> i'm fairly new to the world of ubuntu
[01:14] <brontosaurusrex> actually thats debian, but the server part is pretty much the same
[01:14] <mrvisser> hmm. I'm installing package dsc1.1=1.1.4, which fails with: dsc1.1 : Depends: cassandra (<= 1.1.5) but 1.2.6 is to be installed
[01:14] <phunyguy> martisj: wheezy is not ubuntu
[01:14] <mrvisser> but when I do apt-cache show cassandra, cassandra=1.1.5 exists in the database
[01:14] <moondoggy> Can someone tell me the name of the message service in Ubuntu (equivalent of Growl on OS X)?
[01:14] <phunyguy> martisj: wheezy is debian
[01:14] <mrvisser> *scratches head*
[01:15] <martisj> phunyguy: sorry
[01:15] <phunyguy> !debian | martisj
[01:16] <mrvisser> and if I install with: apt-get install dsc1.1=1.1.4 cassandra=1.1.5, it looks like it's prepared to work just fine
[01:16] <mrvisser> any reason why the extra package wouldn't pick the available version within the dependency range?
[01:16] <martisj> the reason i am trying to get in to the apache logs, is because I am getting an internal server error 500.
[01:17] <martisj> Can't see anything in the logs :S
[01:17] <A1Recon> phunyguy: Will "tree -s > list.txt" send the output to "list.txt"? or should i use "tree -s -o list.txt"?
[01:17] <mrvisser> anyone know what would cause that?
[01:18] <brontosaurusrex> martisj, logwatch sometimes gives some clues without going through all the logs manually
[01:18] <phunyguy> A1Recon: what do the manpages say?  :)
[01:18] <martisj> brontosaurusrex: aha
[01:18] <martisj> i'll check it out
[01:18] <brontosaurusrex> martisj, http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-secure-ubuntu-1204-lts-server-part-1-basics (check #16)
[01:19] <brontosaurusrex> i can see for example that someone is trying to find holes in wordpress (404 uploadify not found) and stuff like that
[01:19] <brontosaurusrex> script kiddies
[01:21] <A1Recon> phunyguy: Manpages say this "tree -s -o list.txt" will work... but I have used > on previous occasions . BTW "-s" is for file size
[01:22] <phunyguy> A1Recon: glad I could help.  :)
[01:22] <Seven_Six_Two> A1Recon: sorry, ls -alR
[01:23] <mrvisser> is apt-get supposed to intelligently select the extra packages based on what the package version range is, or does it always select the latest version?
[01:24] <brontosaurusrex> A1Recon, -o is better, since it looks like a part of tree command, you should avoid redirectors and pipes whenever possible
[01:24] <Seven_Six_Two> mrvisser: I believe that the dependency from one package to another would be version specific
[01:24] <Seven_Six_Two> brontosaurusrex: what do you mean by avoiding redirects and pipes? those are powerful
[01:25] <ultraParadigm> lol, I love it when one of my windows VMs warns me that it's not genuine
[01:25] <mrvisser> Seven_Six_Two: hmm. I'm trying to install package: dsc1.1=1.1.4 which depends on cassandra=1.1.5 (that package exists at that version). However it errors with: Depends: cassandra (<= 1.1.5) but 1.2.6 is to be installed
[01:25] <brontosaurusrex> Seven_Six_Two, influenced by #bash
[01:25] <mrvisser> which is the latest version. Is that the expected behaviour?
[01:26] <Seven_Six_Two> mrvisser: is dsc a deb that you have/made (not from repo) and does something else that's installed depend on cassandra 1.2.6?
[01:27] <mrvisser> Seven_Six_Two: nothing else I've installed depends on cassandra 1.2.6 (would welcome a command to help me verify that)
[01:27] <Seven_Six_Two> brontosaurusrex: I'm not sure what you mean. I have used bash and zsh. I don't know what you mean by avoiding those functions of the shell.
[01:27] <mrvisser> dsc1.1 is a deb from a different repository, provided by datastax (a commercial company)
[01:27] <A1Recon> brontosaurusrex: Thank you.
[01:28] <A1Recon> phunyguy: Seven_Six_Two: Thanks!!
[01:28] <brontosaurusrex> Seven_Six_Two, like is said, somebody in #bash will give you a link
[01:28] <brontosaurusrex> if you ask that question
[01:28] <Seven_Six_Two> mrvisser: ok... can you uninstall cassandra 1.2.6 first?
[01:28] <Seven_Six_Two> brontosaurusrex: oh I didn't realize that you meant the channel..
[01:28] <mrvisser> Seven_Six_Two: it's not installed
[01:29] <brontosaurusrex> Seven_Six_Two, hold on, ill try to locate the theory behind
[01:30] <Seven_Six_Two> mrvisser: can you preinstall the earlier version that your package depends on?\
[01:30] <A1Recon> Seven_Six_Two: Although I am curious what -aIR does...
[01:30] <mrvisser> Seven_Six_Two: probably. also, if I do this command: sudo apt-get install dsc1.1=1.1.4 cassandra=1.1.5  it appears as though it will work fine as well
[01:30] <brontosaurusrex> Seven_Six_Two, well, here is one example http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/syntax/expansion/proc_subst
[01:31] <Seven_Six_Two> A1Recon: a is for all (including hidden files) l is for long list, R is for recursive
[01:31] <Seven_Six_Two> mrvisser: I didn't know you could do that. Well if it works, that's what counts!
[01:31] <schultza> I have installed Ubuntu 13.04 Server 64 bit onto a computer and it's running. However, nothing is showing on the local monitor. I have to ssh into it to see it running. How do I fix this?
[01:32] <wheatthin> schultza, describe seeing nothing running
[01:32] <guideX> is 13.04 better than 11.04?
[01:32] <usr13> schultza: What does xrandr say about it?
[01:32] <guideX> and is 13.04 better than 12.10?
[01:32] <wheatthin> 12.04 is last supported
[01:33] <mrvisser> Seven_Six_Two: well not really :) it started happening out of nowhere, I'm somewhat concerned something is up with the repos I have. the installation is automated, and I'd rather not hardcode the cassandra package version, but rather let the dsc1.1 package pick it like I thought it did before
[01:33] <mrvisser> which is why I'm wondering if what i'm seeing is expected, or if something is messed..
[01:33] <ad134_> i found that 13.04 worked a lot better on vmware that 12.04
[01:33] <ad134_> or 12.10
[01:34] <guideX> for me, 12.10 was very slow with unity from virtual box
[01:34] <guideX> I had to change to xfce :(
[01:34] <usr13> schultza: export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; xrandr
[01:34] <ad134_> oh yes on virtual box as well
[01:34] <schultza> Computer boots up. I see it get through the grub menu. Then the display just cuts out (video card is not sending anything to the screen. I'm ssh'd into it. Server, no gui. Hence the following response on xrandr. "The program 'xrandr' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install x11-xserver-utils"
[01:34] <ad134_> 13.04 was a great improvement
[01:34] <Seven_Six_Two> guideX: try E17
[01:34] <ad134_> hope they finish up smart scopes soon
[01:34] <usr13> schultza: SO install it.
[01:34] <wheatthin> what does randier say schultza ?
[01:34] <schultza> usr13: again, xrandr not installed.
[01:35] <schultza> do I need it for a server?
[01:35] <guideX> oo e17 is a ui
[01:35] <wheatthin> schultza, there's no gui for server
[01:35] <schultza> Yes.
[01:35] <wheatthin> unless you install it
[01:35] <schultza> I have not.
[01:35] <A1Recon> Seven_Six_Two: The ls command just lists files in one directory. I wanted all files in every directory. I like the format of the output though
[01:35] <ad134_> e17 is nice
[01:35] <schultza> But the point is, I'm not even getting a terminal on the local screen.
[01:36] <Seven_Six_Two> A1Recon: the R makes it recursive, so just start from /
[01:36] <wheatthin> ad134_, gnome 3 shell is nicer :)
[01:36] <ad134_> much better
[01:36] <ad134_> but
[01:36] <guideX> gnome 2 is nicer than gnome 3/gnome 3 shell
[01:36] <guideX> :)P
[01:36] <ad134_> gnome 3 sort of glitched out so i got rid of it
[01:36] <schultza> Can't open display :0.0
[01:36] <Seven_Six_Two> A1Recon: either   ls -alR /      or       cd / && ls -slR
[01:36] <guideX> I still use gnome 2 on my 11.04 ... so nice
[01:36] <usr13> schultza: Are you using a kvm switch?
[01:36] <ad134_> which it didnt
[01:36] <wheatthin> what do you mean glitched out?
[01:36] <usr13> schultza: export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; xrandr
[01:36] <ad134_> i couldnt get rid of it
[01:36] <schultza> No kvm. Directly connected to monitor [currently].
[01:36] <guideX> gnome shell has some weird ui quarks
[01:37] <wheatthin> sadly 11.04 is no longer supported
[01:37] <ad134_> ture
[01:37] <guideX> yeah
[01:37] <ad134_> *true
[01:37] <Seven_Six_Two> A1Recon: and if you don't want any of the file information, you can leave off the l
[01:37] <guideX> this 11.04 has turned out to be stabler than any windows or linux install i've ever had..
[01:37] <schultza> usr13: same response. "Can't open display :0.0"
[01:37] <guideX> it simply won't die/doesn't get screwed up in any way
[01:37] <ad134_> i installed fedora once, ubuntu is unmistakibly
[01:38] <ad134_> better
[01:38] <ad134_> :)
[01:38] <guideX> fedora 18 wasn't good, 17 and below were better
[01:38] <ad134_> yeah
[01:38] <guideX> fedora 18 is like a trainwreck
[01:38] <Seven_Six_Two> guideX: E17 isn't just a ui, it's a  wm
[01:38] <ad134_> 18 seemed like a copy of windows 8
[01:38] <ad134_> which im using right now
[01:38] <guideX> I just installed windows 8.1 on my tablet heh
[01:38] <wheatthin> umm is this a support topic?
[01:38] <ghs> I should to update my Ubuntu 120.01 for newest version ? Thank you!
[01:39] <wheatthin> if not go to #ubuntu-offtopic :P
[01:39] <Seven_Six_Two> ghs: you don't have to
[01:39] <Seven_Six_Two> ghs: just do your normal updates
[01:39] <guideX> sort of...
[01:39] <usr13> schultza: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[01:39] <guideX> more of a wink to the stability of 11.04
[01:39] <occ> when you run live cd and install software does it write to the dvd? or ram?
[01:39] <Seven_Six_Two> guideX: it can be used in multiple ways, not just as a skin on kde
[01:39] <schultza> usr13: ok
[01:39] <squid5> nope
[01:39] <guideX> oh cool
[01:40] <squid5> occ…of course not
[01:40] <usr13> schultza: What does xrandr say about it?
[01:40] <occ> well it installs it somewhere?
[01:40] <schultza> usr13: Again. "Can't open display :0.0"
[01:40] <occ> and you can download files too... but where is it
[01:40] <squid5> no where….
[01:40] <usr13> schultza: export DISPLAY=:0
[01:40] <OerHeks> occ in memory
[01:41] <squid5> occ….it basically uses a lot of RAM and stuff
[01:41] <ghs> Seven_Six_Two, What ? It's no needed ?
[01:41] <schultza> usr13: "xrandr: Can't open display :0"
[01:41] <occ> i see
[01:41] <usr13> schultza: lspci |grep -i vga   #What video card do you have?
[01:41] <john38> can somebody help me
[01:41] <Seven_Six_Two> ghs: you can stay at 12.04 as it's still supported
[01:41] <wheatthin> !ask | john38
[01:42] <ad134_> which is the next long time support version?
[01:42] <schultza> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5842168
[01:42] <Seven_Six_Two> ad134_: I think it's going to be 14.04
[01:42] <ad134_> thought so
[01:42] <Seven_Six_Two> !lts
[01:42] <wheatthin> in 2014 tho
[01:42] <schultza> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDA Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (rev a2)
[01:42] <Seven_Six_Two> !lts+1
[01:42] <Seven_Six_Two> ooh, that should be added.
[01:42] <john38> i get an error with 12.04, it logs off ubuntu and goes into text mode with the message......"could not write bytes .....panic occured moving to text console"....????
[01:43] <squid5> if anybody has any Network issues….I am up for a challenge!
[01:43] <schultza> usr13:  02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDA Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (rev a2)
[01:43] <ad134_> ooh! how to connect to a windows network (through the router)
[01:44] <ad134_> as in access the files
[01:44] <ad134_> using the router
[01:44] <squid5> ad134…give me more details….
[01:44] <ad134_> well so you know how you may create a network
[01:44] <ad134_> on windows
[01:44] <squid5> ad134…are you in the same network…different network...
[01:44] <ad134_> same
[01:44] <ad134_> sorry should have said that
[01:45] <Seven_Six_Two> I'd like to use a second network card to set up an open AP which serves the upside-down web
[01:45] <squid5> ad134…what do you mean by "connect to a windows box through a router?" See…let me explain, if you are in the same network, you don't need a router
[01:45] <wheatthin> upside down network, never heard of it
[01:46] <squid5> ad134, you only need a router when you need to ROUTE to a network other than the one you are in
[01:47] <ad134_> never mind
[01:47] <ad134_> g2g bey
[01:47] <ad134_> bye
[01:47] <wheatthin> squid5 a router or a hub is required for a network unless using a crossover cable or adhoc wifi
[01:47] <squid5> ad134…see ya
[01:47] <Pazooza> Is Dalnet down?  I can't connect.
[01:47] <Seven_Six_Two> wheatthin: sorry, it's upside-down-ternet, and I found out how to do it.
[01:47] <Germanaz0> someone knows how to embed a srt into a mp4 fast ?
[01:48] <brontosaurusrex> Germanaz0, does it have to be mp4?
[01:48] <squid5> wheatthin…that's a given. The point is that the ROUTER/GATEWAY is not doing anything AT ALL if you are in the same network...
[01:48] <Germanaz0> brontosaurusrex yes or avi
[01:49] <Germanaz0> if possible
[01:49] <brontosaurusrex> avi does not support embeded subs
[01:49] <Germanaz0> I have only mp4
[01:49] <reisio> Germanaz0: mkvmerge from mkvtoolnix is fastest
[01:49] <reisio> Germanaz0: mp4box from gpac can do it with just a .mp4
[01:49] <Germanaz0> yes but xbox does not play mkv
[01:49] <squid5> ARP will find the IP of the destination IP since its all local
[01:49] <john38> i get an error with 12.04, it logs off ubuntu and goes into text mode with the message......"could not write bytes .....panic occured moving to text console"....????
[01:49] <reisio> Germanaz0: mp4box from gpac
[01:50] <Pazooza> John38, when? on boot up?
[01:50] <wheatthin> squid5, But you have to make it clear, because most of the time people will specify, the given
[01:50] <Germanaz0> ok reisio will take a look
[01:50] <squid5> wheat thin…very true!
[01:50] <squid5> wheatthin…very true!
[01:50] <reisio> Germanaz0: in universe
[01:51] <reisio> Germanaz0: man page has example
[01:51] <Germanaz0> another question, someone could make works the xbox media server with ubuntu ? I saw a proyect but is not well mantained
[01:51] <Germanaz0> thnx reisio :D
[01:51] <squid5> wheatthin….you'll be surprise how many folks still need to be reminded that their box need power to work
[01:52] <brontosaurusrex> will xbox support dlna server?
[01:53] <brontosaurusrex> Germanaz0, does xbox support DLNA server?
[01:53] <reisio> xboxes are just computers
[01:53] <john38> Pazooza, while working on 12.04
[01:54] <Germanaz0> brontosaurusrex yes, but it says "Insert this code in your media server"
[01:54] <Germanaz0> and ubuntu doesnt ask for that
[01:54] <Germanaz0> I installed one non mantained package
[01:54] <john38> Pazooza, its an older computer pentium d
[01:54] <john38> Pazooza, maybe i should stick with 10.04
[01:55] <brontosaurusrex> Germanaz0, i have minidlna working perfectly with my samsung tv
[01:55] <schultza> Updating my install.
[01:55] <brontosaurusrex> Germanaz0, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MiniDLNA
[01:56] <Pazooza> john38, if 10.04 works, good idea.
[01:56] <john38> Pazooza, i know 10.04 stopped support
[01:57] <john38> Pazooza, if i install will it still update
[01:57] <Germanaz0> brontosaurusrex thnx :D
[01:57] <Germanaz0> will take a look
[01:57] <Pazooza> john38, it's LTS.
[01:57] <HankMccoy> if someone could PM me I need some help...
[01:57] <Ari-Yang> john38, why not just install 12.04?
[01:57] <Ari-Yang> .__.
[01:58] <john38> Pazooza, but it says they stopped support may 9 2013
[01:58] <john38> Pazooza, im wondering if i intall it will it still update
[01:58] <Ari-Yang> !eol
[01:58] <Ari-Yang> ^ john38
[01:59] <OerHeks> john38, with some tweaks you van update, but not the latest updates, so why trying when you know you will not be safe?
[01:59] <Ari-Yang> john38, 10.04 (desktop) is not longer supported, as you said 9th of may this year was the end of it.
[01:59] <OerHeks> see the last url from ubottu >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[01:59] <Ari-Yang> as I said before, john38, just install 12.04 (I'm assuming you're doing a fresh install)
[02:00] <john38> Ari-Yang, im having problems with 12.04 it says.....could not write bytes inic kill.................panic occured ...switching to text console
[02:00] <john38> Ari-Yang, and alot more other stuff
[02:01] <Pazooza> John38, another clean install of 12.04 may fix it.
[02:01] <Ari-Yang> john38, this is when you boot it?
[02:01] <john38> Ari-Yang, no while using ubuntu
[02:01] <Ari-Yang> john38, you're using 12.04 or 12.04.2?
[02:01] <john38> Ari-Yang, 12.04.2
[02:02] <Ari-Yang> john38, did you demsg?
[02:02] <john38> Ari-Yang, demsg? whats that
[02:03] <usr13> dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer
[02:03] <john38> Ari-Yang, maybe its a bad iso??
[02:03] <Ari-Yang> john38, type dmesg >> dmesg.txt in terminal then gedit dmesg.txt after opening the .txt paste it here http://paste.opensuse.org/
[02:04] <Ari-Yang> john38, I don't know, maybe... where did you get the iso?
[02:04] <john38> Ari-Yang, ubuntu site
[02:04] <brontosaurusrex> john38, did you check md5?
[02:04] <schultza> Updating has "no signal" monitor shuts off.
[02:04] <usr13> Ari-Yang: Or just dmesg | pastebinit  #And send  URL here.
[02:05] <Pazooza> What's wrong with paste.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <Ari-Yang> john38, or what usr13 said
[02:05] <Ari-Yang> Pazooza, nothing is wrong with paste.ubuntu
[02:05] <Ari-Yang> nobody said there was something wrong with it....
[02:05] <john38> hold on bbl
[02:05] <Ari-Yang> k
[02:07] <squid5> Offering networking help to anybody with (Ubuntu, Cisco,  Cisco ASA) issues…questions. I will do my best to help you
[02:09] <schultza> squid5: do you know of a good alternative for the ZyXEL PK5000Z ?
[02:11] <Pazooza> I tried to root my phone with Revoultionary but it said my version isn't available yet. Any other way?
[02:11] <reisio> Pazooza: wrong channel
[02:12] <Pazooza> No way to use Ubuntu for this?
[02:12] <reisio> Pazooza: for what?
[02:12] <Pazooza> Rooting a phone.
[02:12] <reisio> Ubuntu is an OS, not a rooting utility
[02:13] <squid5> schultza…you could prob get cisco asa 5505
[02:13] <schultza> Pazooza: Rooting a phone is off topic in #ubuntu. Is it an andriod phone?
[02:13] <squid5> eBay ...
[02:13] <luckybunny> I eventually managed to get something half-workable going with my TV
[02:13] <Pazooza> Yes, android.
[02:13] <OerHeks> Pazooza, better ask in #android
[02:13] <Pazooza> Ok.
[02:14] <squid5> of course….you would still need some sort of modem in front of it…for the wan
[02:15] <schultza> squid5: That's what I need replaced. Is the modem side of things.
[02:15] <schultza> squid5: thanks
[02:18] <schultza> usr13: Got my issue fixed. Required linux-source and nvidia-current-updates to be installed. Then had to reboot machine.
[02:18] <squid5> schultza, I bet you hate that stupid box.
[02:18] <schultza> squid5: Yes. Constant reboots due to something or other. I'm blaming hardware.
[02:20] <schultza> is ubuntu-desktop all that is needed to get the same gui env that is default in ubuntu desktop releases?
[02:21] <Ad_m> Hello.
[02:21] <schultza> Ad_m: hi.
[02:21] <Ad_m> I am would like replace unity by fluxbox.
[02:22] <Ad_m> But when I change screen default ubuntu wallpaper-icon manager startup.
[02:22] <schultza> Ad_m: Do you already have fluxbox installed?
[02:22] <Ad_m> Yes.
[02:23] <Ad_m> I am have turned on fluxbox...
[02:23] <schultza> Ad_m: what is happening when you change the default wallpaper?
[02:23] <Ad_m> No wallpaper, I mean change "desktop"/"screen". At start in fluxbox I have 4 of them.
[02:24] <schultza> Ad_m: You mean the "virtual" desktops ?
[02:24] <HankMccoy> could someone help me mask my IP?
[02:24] <Ad_m> schultza: Yes.
[02:25] <schultza> Ad_m: One moment. I do not know fluxbox well.
[02:25] <Ad_m> When I switch between them desktop icon manager (icon on wallpaper) startup, so I can access to fluxbox context menu...
[02:25] <Ad_m> When I switch between them desktop icon manager (icon on wallpaper) startup, so I can't access to fluxbox context menu...
[02:26] <Ad_m> Which software manage icon on wallpaper on clean Ubuntu?
[02:27] <reisio> Ad_m: nautilus, most likely
[02:27] <schultza> Ad_m: in ~/.fluxbox/init, edit the line: "session.screen0.workspaces: 4"
[02:27] <schultza> Ad_m: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/fluxbox-virtual-desktops-626697/
[02:28] <Ad_m> Edit and ...? I reduce recently it to 2.
[02:28] <schultza> Ad_m: I would reduce it to 1 until you can find the fix to get the fluxbox context menu working with multiple virtual desktops.
[02:29] <confusednewbie> hi there i have a problem
[02:30] <confusednewbie> is any1 here??
[02:30] <Ad_m> Yes
[02:30] <confusednewbie> ok so i have a problem
[02:30] <schultza> !question
[02:31] <confusednewbie> i tried 2 install awesome desktop but it doesnt show up when i log out please help ty
[02:31] <somsip> confusednewbie: what tutorial did you follow to install it?
[02:32] <confusednewbie> i just typed in sudo aptget install awesome
[02:32] <confusednewbie> oops *meant apt-get sorry
[02:32] <somsip> confusednewbie: are you wanting to select it as a session when you log in instead of unity? Which version of ubuntu?
[02:32] <Ad_m> schultza: Disable virtual desktop isn't solve my problem, however thanks for help.
[02:32] <reisio> confusednewbie: log out, see if the cog has it as an option
[02:32] <confusednewbie> yes
[02:32] <confusednewbie> and 13.04
[02:32] <confusednewbie> i dont like the ads and heard awesome is good
[02:33] <reisio> confusednewbie: you can disable 'the ads' if you want
[02:33] <schultza> Ad_m: Sorry. I do not know fluxbox. Maybe someone else in here knows. That website also mentions to use the mouse's scroll to switch virtual desktops.
[02:33] <reisio> awesome is good, but it's quite different
[02:33] <reisio> it's not a desktop environment, for starters, it's only a window manager
[02:34] <confusednewbie> what is the difference im sorry i am very new 2 linux
[02:34] <somsip> confusednewbie: have a read of this http://is.gd/fd8mzi
[02:34] <squid5> Doesn't flux box have an IRC channel???!!!
[02:34] <somsip> confusednewbie: if you are confused by this, maybe you should not be using awesome. It is rather demanding at first
[02:35] <confusednewbie> that link doesnt work i get 404
[02:35] <reisio> confusednewbie: you're on Windows right now?
[02:35] <confusednewbie> maybe
[02:35] <reisio> well I already know you are :p
[02:35] <reisio> confusednewbie: to use Windows as an example
[02:35] <Ad_m> killall -KILL nautilus restore context menu. I think there is a answer: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=44273 Thanks reisio and schulza for directing the solution
[02:36] <squid5> To all the folks new to Linux here…..Careful clicking on the links you get here….just saying!
[02:36] <reisio> confusednewbie: the file manager, Windows Explorer, the desktop area, the taskbar at the bottom, the start menu, all the GUI components that you see and interact with make up a desktop environment
[02:36] <v1c3> Hi, I am trying to share /media/ via NFS . On a client, I see the following 2 folders in nfs://.  "srv/nfs4" "srv/nfs4/media", but I dont have acces to it. Any Idea?
[02:36] <phunyguy> confusednewbie: you should probably start with Unity and disable the ads.
[02:36] <reisio> confusednewbie: a _window manager_, on the other hand, such as awesome, does _nothing but_ handle the placement and manipulation of application windows
[02:36] <reisio> although frequently window managers do come with a few extras :p
[02:37] <schultza> !fluxbox
[02:38] <schultza> That message should also include #fluxbox as the channel to get live help.
[02:38] <berefeira> !openbox
[02:38] <reisio> yeah the messages should all be as long as possible
[02:38] <somsip> confusednewbie: weird - that shortlink failed. Try this instead http://is.gd/m3glxg
[02:39] <somsip> confusednewbie: the fix is in the link to Launchpad
[02:40] <phunyguy> I am guessing that was a failed troll attempt.
[02:40] <phunyguy> according to his part message
[02:40] <Vinnie_win> What's the easiest way to upgrade the gcc in my ubuntu?
[02:41] <phunyguy> Vinnie_win: why would you need to?
[02:41] <reisio> everything is a troll attempt, isn't it?
[02:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> Vinnie_win: there is a ppa, ubuntu-toolchain, that can do it.
[02:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> phunyguy: prolly some source code he has that requires it. I had to do it for higan
[02:42] <phunyguy> ntzrmtthihu777: this is why I ask, to make sure there is a legit reason.  :)
[02:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> phunyguy: I understand :P
[02:42] <phunyguy> vs reinventing the wheel for something
[02:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> I have gcc/++ 4.7 for it :P
[02:42] <reisio> sick :p
[02:46] <Vinnie_win> phunyguy: The software I need to compile requires a later gcc
[02:46] <Vinnie_win> I have 4.6.3, I need 4.7.2
[02:46] <phunyguy> Vinnie_win: which, if you don't mind me asking?
[02:46] <Vinnie_win> phunyguy: Its a piece of proprietary code which will become open source "soon"
[02:46] <phunyguy> ok. :)
[02:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> Vinnie_win: would you like me to find the ppa again?
[02:47] <Vinnie_win> I dont know what a ppa is but didn't you say ubuntu-toolchain ?
[02:47] <Vinnie_win> apt-get install ubuntu-toolchain # ?
[02:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> Vinnie_win: ppa is a source of software.
[02:48] <somsip> !ppa
[02:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> Vinnie_win: no. add-apt-repository ppa:someting-i-dont-quite-remember.
[02:48] <Vinnie_win> ahh I see what you mean
[02:48] <Vinnie_win> well let me see if I can muddle through this a little longer before I resort to that. Thanks
[02:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> Vinnie_win: quite frankly this is basically the only "easy" way to do it, lol.
[02:49] <Vinnie_win> well maybe my compile error is unrelated to the version of gcc although I doubt it
[02:49] <phunyguy> ....this is why I ask.
[02:49] <Vinnie_win> Yep, and thats why I'm going to try just a little bit harder to resolve it before resorting to a newer gcc
[02:50] <AlexandreMBM> Hello! I want to discovery as the Nautilus calls the udisks. Dbus?
[02:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> Vinnie_win: well, should you come to find you need it the instructions are in this link: http://charette.no-ip.com:81/programming/2011-12-24_GCCv47/ works like a charm, easy instructions.
[02:50] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: not sure I understand the question....
[02:54] <AlexandreMBM> * Hello! I want to know as the Nautilus calls the udisks. It calls via Dbus?
[02:54] <AlexandreMBM> phunyguy.
[02:54] <phunyguy> ...
[02:54]  * ntzrmtthihu777 bookmarks that for future use/referecne.
[02:54] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: what is your native language?
[02:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> phunyguy: I think he means "how nautilus calls udiscs. is it via dbus?"
[02:55] <AlexandreMBM> phunyguy, sorry. Portuguese.
[02:55] <AlexandreMBM> To mount unities from sidebar.
[02:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> !pt | AlexandreMBM
[02:55] <AlexandreMBM> ntzrmtthihu777, yes...
[02:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> AlexandreMBM: yo no ce.
[02:55] <phunyguy> ntzrmtthihu777: thanks, you got it first.
[02:56]  * ntzrmtthihu777 gives ubottu a cookie
[02:56] <phunyguy> !botsnack
[02:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> I like dis bot, its easy :P
[02:57] <AlexandreMBM> I need your attention. The staff of #ubuntu-br not interested in these issues.
[02:57] <AlexandreMBM> Links?
[02:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> AlexandreMBM: ubuntu-pt?
[02:58] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: I don't understand your question. What is it that you want to know about udisk?
[02:59] <AlexandreMBM> ntzrmtthihu777, I go there
[02:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> brb
[03:02] <AlexandreMBM> Seven_Six_Two, in really, how the nautilus do to mount from sidebar? if it using libs or dbus calls.
[03:03] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: iirc it's dbus
[03:04] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: it doesn't use unames or labels
[03:06] <phunyguy> IIRC GVFS is involved as well... using fuse... it is kernel-based.
[03:07] <AlexandreMBM> Seven_Six_Two, phunyguy, thank you. I will search it.
[03:09] <AlexandreMBM> But I want to go to the Nautilus code now.
[03:09] <linuxlite> how do you download minecraft aether on here
[03:09] <phunyguy> linuxlite: isn't minecraft java based?
[03:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> linuxlite: wrong channel, but I can help you personally.
[03:09] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: linuxlite is that an irc game?
[03:09] <AlexandreMBM> I want to know how to intercept the mounts, if possible.
[03:10] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: to what end?
[03:10] <OerHeks> linuxlite, minecraft is in softwarecenter, and tons of howto's on the internet
[03:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> OerHeks: is it? I wasn't aware :P
[03:10] <OerHeks> ntzrmtthihu777, paid, but available
[03:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> linuxlite: I actually have a youtube vid on how to do it in xubuntu :P
[03:11] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: are you coding a new app?
[03:11] <Guest5183> Hello I am from Russia. And this server which country?
[03:11] <phunyguy> Guest5183: all over
[03:11] <phunyguy> !ru | Guest5183
[03:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> Guest5183: this is the english channel, but from all over :P
[03:11] <Seven_Six_Two> Guest5183: it's not one server
[03:11] <reisio> ^this
[03:11] <phunyguy> I think he meant channel
[03:11] <reisio> thinking again
[03:11] <linuxlite> how do you download thing to my laptop of lubuntu
[03:12] <AlexandreMBM> Seven_Six_Two, phunyguy, somehow I think nautilus uses udisks, and the udisk make umask hardcoded.
[03:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> linuxlite: want a video explaining? *shameless self plug*
[03:12] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: gvfs does that.
[03:12] <AlexandreMBM> I want a umask=0000
[03:12] <reisio> linuxlite: thing?
[03:12] <Guest5183> Ñïàñèáî ÿ ïîíÿë óæå :)
[03:12] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: if you want to specify umask, you must do it via manual mounting of the device.
[03:12] <linuxlite> Minecraft Aether mod 1.2.3
[03:12] <Guest5183> Thank you I already knew :)
[03:12] <phunyguy> !fstab | AlexandreMBM
[03:13] <reisio> linuxlite: you don't know where to get it?
[03:13] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: put an entry in fstab...oh phunyguy you're too fast
[03:13] <phunyguy> :)
[03:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> linuxlite: minecraft install vid here, and I can tell you how to install mods too : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg6OuRy2zCU
[03:13] <phunyguy> gvfs makes all "userspace" filesystems owned by the user.
[03:13] <linuxlite> I do not know where to get it free and the actualy download it
[03:14] <phunyguy> linuxlite: minecraft is not free.
[03:14] <Seven_Six_Two> linuxlite: I don't think that it's free.
[03:14] <AlexandreMBM> phunyguy, I want it auto and I don't want fstab. I am using Ubuntu 12.04.2 that not has a udisk2 + fstab improvement.
[03:14] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: sorry, i cannot help you anymore.
[03:14] <linuxlite> i have found places to get it and i just dont have turrents or what ever
[03:14] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: what do you have against fstab?
[03:14] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: unfortunately, it seems to be a limitation of fuse.
[03:15] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: have you considered autofs?
[03:15] <phunyguy> not sure how well it does for physical disks, but worth a look
[03:15] <phunyguy> !autofs
[03:15] <Stepanov-Sergey> Is it possible to call somebody on their Russian server? just my friends want to meet with you and go to you can not. If yes then please reply in private :)
[03:15] <phunyguy> that says network... so I don't know for sure.
[03:16] <phunyguy> !pm | Stepanov-Sergey
[03:16] <AlexandreMBM> Seven_Six_Two, fstab makes the unit hidden in the sidebar of nautilus.
[03:16] <reisio> Stepanov-Sergey: so you need people who speak russian, or...?
[03:16] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: that is NOT true
[03:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> AlexandreMBM: just drag the folder to the side, lol. or hit ctrl+d inside it.
[03:17] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: hidden in the sidebar? All of my mounts are fstab, and listed in nautilus.
[03:17] <reisio> AlexandreMBM: if you set noauto it does
[03:17] <phunyguy> sorry, I was wrong, I was thinking Unity
[03:17] <phunyguy> not nautilus.
[03:17] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: you can create a bookmark there
[03:17] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: navigate to mounted directory, then click settings, and add bookmark.
[03:17] <Stepanov-Sergey> reisio not be skipped for Russian speaking :) I personally can not be for you a translator :)
[03:18] <asandweech> Hey, I have been having some graphics problems with a fresh install, would anyone be able to help?
[03:18] <Seven_Six_Two> AlexandreMBM: it's not mounted with external drives when you use fstab, if that's what you mean.
[03:18] <SDIS> can anyone tell me how to install windows-xp from ubuntu 12.04 via usb.?
[03:18] <reisio> Stepanov-Sergey: that's too bad, as we need a translator to understand you
[03:18] <reisio> SDIS: what do you have, a Windows install image as a file?
[03:18] <Seven_Six_Two> SDIS: vmware?
[03:18] <AlexandreMBM> but i want "auto" at user's click
[03:19] <phunyguy> asandweech: which graphics hardware
[03:19] <reisio> AlexandreMBM: that is the default
[03:19] <asandweech> two gt 750Ms in sli
[03:19] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: then you cannot have umask specifics.
[03:19] <asandweech> Inside a new laptop
[03:19] <phunyguy> asandweech: Nvidia?
[03:19] <AlexandreMBM> reisio, but I want with other umask
[03:19] <Stepanov-Sergey> reisio I can give you a link to an online translator :)
[03:19] <reisio> AlexandreMBM: mmmm
[03:19] <asandweech> phunyguy: yes
[03:19] <AlexandreMBM> reisio, umask=0000
[03:19] <phunyguy> !nvidia | asandweech
[03:20] <phunyguy> asandweech: and specifying an actual issue would help.  :)
[03:20] <reisio> AlexandreMBM: not sure how you'd do that, but I'm sure you can with enough effort :p
[03:20] <reisio> Stepanov-Sergey: if you like
[03:20] <asandweech> phunyguy: yes, I have tried all that, i was about to specify an issue, I normally don't have a problem with this though
[03:20] <phunyguy> AlexandreMBM: that is not possible with FUSE
[03:20] <AlexandreMBM> phunyguy, yes, it is hardcoded on udisks 1
[03:20] <reisio> AlexandreMBM: you could ask #linux about it
[03:20] <Stepanov-Sergey> reisio translate.google.ru
[03:20] <Stepanov-Sergey> :)
[03:20] <reisio> :)
[03:20] <asandweech> phunyguy: the issue is, on boot, the screen is divided into three sections, and the active terminal is mirrored across them
[03:20] <asandweech> phunyguy: they have a resolution of about 640x200, so it is very difficult to see
[03:20] <phunyguy> asandweech: I don't follow
[03:21] <phunyguy> so you just have terminal output?
[03:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> make: *** No rule to make target `asandweech'.  Stop.
[03:21] <phunyguy> asandweech: which version of ubuntu?
[03:21] <asandweech> phunyguy: correct, xorg crashes, which I can deal with, but the issue is how tiny they are. 13.04 amd64
[03:21] <AlexandreMBM> if I rebuild udisks, I think that would solve
[03:22] <phunyguy> asandweech: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current ?
[03:22] <asandweech> phunyguy: yes, that did nothing
[03:22] <asandweech> phunyguy: looks like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/JfoUZ.jpg
[03:22] <asandweech> phunyguy: the purple box is residual from grub
[03:22] <phunyguy> ooh thta looks horrible
[03:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> oh gawd
[03:23] <asandweech> phunyguy: Yes, I normally am able to straighten out all my graphics problems, but this one has baffled me completely
[03:23] <phunyguy> asandweech: is it brand new hardware?
[03:23] <Seven_Six_Two> I thought that sli doesn't work in linux
[03:23] <AlexandreMBM> but I prefer intercept it and udisks-glue don't worked for this
[03:23] <asandweech> phunyguy: yes, two months old
[03:23] <phunyguy> asandweech: has this worked at some point?
[03:23] <asandweech> phunyguy: ubuntu, no, slackware and windows, yes
[03:24] <asandweech> phunyguy: correction, the installer did work
[03:24] <AlexandreMBM> seems that udisks-glue is not working in Ubuntu 12.04...
[03:24] <Seven_Six_Two> asandweech: has anything in bios been touched?
[03:24] <asandweech> phunyguy: everything came up looking just fine, now even that is broken, which makes it even more weird
[03:24] <phunyguy> asandweech: I see what happened, you ran the installer, then your kernel got updated
[03:24] <phunyguy> you may have to run installer again
[03:25] <asandweech> phunyguy: yes, i touch all around my bios, heh. But all settings are in order. I have tried reinstalling, but I am met with this same screen
[03:25] <asandweech> phunyguy: for both 13.04 and 12.04
[03:25] <phunyguy> do you have any xorg errors?
[03:25] <phunyguy> can you pastebit /var/log/X.log (can't remember the name of the file exactly)
[03:26] <phunyguy> pastebinit**
[03:26] <asandweech> phunyguy: yeah, I am assuming there are multiple, but I can only make out one of them, about a missing log file
[03:26] <phunyguy> !pastebinit
[03:27] <asandweech> phunyguy: yes, I am aware, but it is difficult to do so, considering the computer does not have an active internet connection
[03:27] <asandweech> phunyguy: hold on
[03:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> asandweech: how does a livecd act?
[03:27] <phunyguy> ^^^
[03:28] <asandweech> ntzrmtthihu777: don't know, the system doesn't have an optical drive
[03:28] <phunyguy> !usb | asandweech
[03:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> asandweech: liveusb?
[03:28] <asandweech> ntzrmtthihu777: same screen
[03:28] <asandweech> first time it worked
[03:28] <asandweech> after install I got this
[03:29] <phunyguy> asandweech: so you installed ubuntu via command line?
[03:29] <asandweech> more recently it has just been a black screen
[03:29] <asandweech> no
[03:29] <asandweech> full gui, xorg came up
[03:29] <phunyguy> asandweech: he meant how does it look when you install
[03:29] <asandweech> Looked fine the first time, now I can't, comes up black screen
[03:30] <asandweech> I tried with a liveusb of 12.04 and 13.04, same results from both
[03:31] <phunyguy> unfortunately I cannot help anymore without logs  :/
[03:32] <asandweech> I know, I am trying to pull them
[03:34] <asandweech> phunyguy: whoohoo, got them
[03:35] <asandweech> phunyguy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10949404/xorglogs.zip
[03:35] <asandweech> that should hold the xorg logs
[03:36] <asandweech> phunyguy?
[03:37] <phunyguy> !patience | asandweech  :)
[03:37] <phunyguy> I am looking
[03:37] <asandweech> Apologies, I have searched for the past two days, thank you for the help.
[03:38] <phunyguy> (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[03:39] <phunyguy>  Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at PCI:1:0:0.
[03:39] <phunyguy> seems to be a common theme.
[03:39] <phunyguy> have you tried disabling SLI?
[03:39] <asandweech> No, I haven't
[03:40] <phunyguy> Please do, if it works properly, then there may be a kernel or driver bug
[03:40] <phunyguy> which should be reported.
[03:40] <asandweech> Alright, I will try and report back with details
[03:45] <KriShaNsin> distro specific? what is the best method to achieve animated wallpaper on desktop 13.04 raring main? resource intensive? i have a modified RAM at 1.7 right now. how intensive is this?
[03:46] <ImaLamer> i have an ubuntu server which keeps becoming unavailable, which logs do you suggest i check first?
[03:46] <phunyguy> KriShaNsin: unless someone has specific experience and is willing to help, that may be beyond the scope of the channel.
[03:46] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: what do you mean "unavailable"?
[03:47] <wheatthin> I was gonna ask that phunyguy  lol
[03:47] <phunyguy> :)
[03:47] <ImaLamer> i need to remote restart it via a power manager to log into it again
[03:47] <phunyguy> wow... defined "power manager"
[03:47] <phunyguy> define*
[03:48] <phunyguy> like managed power?
[03:48] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: run a memory test, and perhaps disk integrity checks.
[03:48] <ImaLamer> it's a virtual server
[03:49] <phunyguy> hosted?
[03:49] <ImaLamer> right, remote
[03:49] <phunyguy> you might want to ask the host.  :)
[03:49] <phunyguy> because it seems not-ubuntu related.
[03:49] <ImaLamer> they don't do that, i just buy the slice
[03:49] <asandweech> phunyguy: same results, logs look the same.
[03:50] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: again, more jargon.. "slice"?
[03:50] <ImaLamer> seems to be because i can only reboot it to get to it again
[03:50] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: with hardware issues, that can happen.
[03:50] <wheatthin> against, is this ubuntu related?
[03:50] <wheatthin> again*
[03:50] <phunyguy> but to be completely unresponsive after time hardly seems like a ubuntu problem alone.
[03:50] <ImaLamer> i'd like to rule that out
[03:51] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: dmesg | tail.. ?
[03:51] <phunyguy> /var/log/syslog...
[03:51] <phunyguy> !dmesg
[03:51] <wheatthin> ImaLamer, are you connecting to it via nfs?
[03:52] <phunyguy> I am guessing ssh...
[03:52] <ImaLamer> no
[03:52] <ImaLamer> ssh, if i'm brave X
[03:52] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: are you connecting via name, or ip?
[03:52] <ImaLamer> name
[03:52] <phunyguy> next time it dies, try IP.
[03:52] <phunyguy> if that works, then your host has a DNS problem.
[03:53] <ImaLamer> the nameserver can't be the issue because i can still use lookups on other hosts
[03:53] <ImaLamer> the ip isn't responsive either
[03:53] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: it might be the host record.
[03:53] <phunyguy> ok.  just ruling that out.
[03:53] <ImaLamer> last time (it did happten before) i had a server eating memory
[03:53] <ImaLamer> i've ruled that out
[03:53] <phunyguy> best way to troubleshoot is to get with the host next time it goes down, and see if they can see anything on the console.
[03:54] <wheatthin> ImaLamer, is it getting hot?
[03:54] <wheatthin> ImaLamer, to check type "sensors"
[03:54] <ImaLamer> wheatthin: not in my opinion
[03:55] <asandweech> phunyguy: I'm going to continue changing up the boot
[03:55] <wheatthin> ImaLamer, does it happen after a certain period of time?
[03:56] <phunyguy> ImaLamer: what I am getting at is, if a server is unresponsive, it helps to find out if the network is the issue, or the server itself.
[03:56] <ImaLamer> the behaviour tells me it's the server, and i'm already okay with finding these answers in debian
[03:56] <wheatthin> either way the hosting service should know more
[03:57] <ImaLamer> i guess, should i essentially follow all the same files and locations
[03:57] <wheatthin> this also isn't debian, it's ubuntu :P
[03:57] <ImaLamer> right, this particular server is ubuntu
[03:57] <wheatthin> getting any kind of io errors?
[03:58] <ImaLamer> that's what i'm off to see
[03:58]  * phunyguy glances at my dmesg response
[04:00] <ImaLamer> force a filecheck?
[04:00] <ImaLamer> the ubuntu way
[04:00] <asandweech> phunyguy: I think i figured out a solution
[04:00] <phunyguy> awesome :)
[04:00] <ImaLamer> ~
[04:00] <ImaLamer>  
[04:01] <phunyguy> !fsck | ImaLamer
[04:01] <wheatthin> ImaLamer, fsck?
[04:01] <wheatthin> :D
[04:02] <phunyguy> and that isn't Ubuntu specific.
[04:02] <asandweech> phunyguy: apparently because of the weird hardware, half the stuff is broken on this laptop for ubuntu. I also have to enable legacy boot, but force uefi first so as to properly get the liveusb going.
[04:02] <phunyguy> asandweech: I know that all to well.
[04:02] <phunyguy> asandweech: UEFI is the bane of my existence.
[04:03] <asandweech> phunyguy: oh yeah
[04:03] <asandweech> phunyguy: i was able to get slackware and openSuse installed and going in a few hours
[04:03] <asandweech> phunyguy: but I couldn't boot into lilo automatically because of uefi
[04:03] <Aremi> Can I get some help setting up Ubuntu wireless?  I"m a newbie at this stuff.
[04:03] <phunyguy> UEFI seems hardly related to graphics issues, however.
[04:04] <asandweech> phunyguy: yeah, that was to get the live usb running in failsafe mode
[04:04] <phunyguy> !wifi | Aremi
[04:04] <wheatthin> unless some weird timing
[04:04] <ShadowBlaze18> is all closed sourced software for Ubuntu never in the iso itself?
[04:04] <Aremi> I have...but they don't seem to address my issues.
[04:04] <wheatthin> it should.
[04:04] <asandweech> phunyguy: now that that's going, once i reinstall everything i can get the drivers installed properlly
[04:04] <Aremi> The weird thing is, when I use lspci -v it shows the network card
[04:04] <holstein> Aremi: what operating system? what chipset? what help do you need?
[04:04] <Aremi> Using ubuntu 13.04
[04:04] <phunyguy> Aremi: which hardware
[04:05] <Aremi> It's a dell laptop with a broadcom wireless PCI
[04:05] <holstein> !broadcom
[04:05] <wheatthin> Aremi, lspci
[04:05] <phunyguy> holstein: :)
[04:05] <holstein> Aremi: is it one of those ^^
[04:05] <osx5> hello all
[04:05] <Aremi> but yeah, when is use lspci it doesn't show up
[04:05] <Aremi> Yeah it's bcm4312
[04:06] <wheatthin> Aremi, lsmod
[04:06] <Aremi> yeah?
[04:06] <osx5> haven't used Linux in 2 years,  I read that ubuntus new UI. pissed a lot of people off?
[04:06] <wheatthin> osx5 do you have a direct support question?
[04:06] <Aremi> What do I find with lsmod?
[04:06] <holstein> osx5: you can "chat" in the offtopic channel
[04:06] <tannji> Seven_Six_Two,  you still here?
[04:06] <wheatthin> Aremi, you're gonna search for bcm module being loaded
[04:07] <phunyguy> osx5: any major changes come with it's share of animosity.
[04:07] <osx5> oh my bad guys
[04:07] <phunyguy> but this is not the forum for it.
[04:07] <Aremi> b43 and bcma are loaded
[04:07] <akurilin> How do I restart svscan on Ubuntu? Can't quite find where that service is being managed.
[04:07] <holstein> Aremi: what are you using? unity?
[04:07] <Aremi> Unity...?  I'm just using the terminal on ubuntu
[04:07] <Aremi> Trying to switch from Vista to Ubuntu though.
[04:08] <holstein> Aremi: what network manager are you using? the one that comes in default ubuntu? in unity?
[04:08] <phunyguy> !unity
[04:08] <Aremi> I guess so?
[04:08] <Aremi> I just did the default boot into ubuntu from the install disk
[04:08] <phunyguy> Aremi: is ubuntu installed?
[04:08] <wheatthin> k, then you're using network manager
[04:08] <Aremi> I believe so.
[04:08] <holstein> Aremi: there is a network icon near the time.. have you used it to try and see the network?
[04:09] <holstein> Aremi: confirm that you installed it
[04:09] <phunyguy> Aremi: did you install to yoru hard drive
[04:09] <Aremi> yeah, it doesn't give me any option to search for wireless signals
[04:09] <Aremi> Not yet, should I do that first?
[04:09] <tannji> I have a textfile I saved as .sh, but need to make it executable with a chmod command, can someone tell me how to do that?
[04:09] <phunyguy> Aremi: yes, and use a network cable if you can
[04:09] <wheatthin> chmod +x filename
[04:09] <Aremi> Is it okay without a network cable since I don't really have access to one?
[04:09] <phunyguy> you will need that to install "restricted" drivers
[04:09] <holstein> Aremi: no
[04:09] <wheatthin> tannji, ^
[04:09] <Aremi> Ergghhh
[04:10] <holstein> Aremi: its *much* more challenging without a network connection
[04:10] <tannji> wheatthin,  it doesnt start with "./"  ?
[04:10] <Aremi> I would assume so, but i'm also using wireless to connect here.
[04:10] <holstein> Aremi: you can grab the files manually.. i did it once and it was not trivial..
[04:10] <wheatthin> that's how you start it, but to make it executable itself
[04:10] <phunyguy> OK, I need a break, have fun everyone.
[04:10] <wheatthin> tannji, ls -la
[04:10] <asandweech> haha, thanks
[04:11] <Aremi> Hmmm....alright well lets assume I connected it using a cable
[04:11] <Aremi> Afterwards, should it be working alright?
[04:11] <holstein> Aremi: no.. you'll install what is need to make the wifi work
[04:11] <Aremi> ((Or at least detecting the wireless card when using lspci))?
[04:11] <holstein> Aremi: no.. you'll refer to the link i gave
[04:11] <holstein> !broadcom | Aremi
[04:12] <holstein> Aremi: you can then install what is needed for the specific card you have, easily
[04:12] <tannji> wheatthin,   so  "sudo chmod +x PrinterInstall.sh"  ?
[04:12] <wheatthin> tannji, indeed
[04:12] <wheatthin> without quotes
[04:12] <tannji> wheatthin,   thanks
[04:12] <Aremi> Okay, but I need to install ubuntu first with wired internet connection correct?
[04:12] <Br|aN> hello
[04:13] <holstein> Aremi: you said you already had ubuntu installed
[04:13] <wheatthin> tannji, then you'll sudo ./PrinterInstall.sh
[04:13] <Aremi> Hmmm not fully, it seems.
[04:13] <holstein> Aremi: theres no way to partially install
[04:13] <Br|aN> tryin to get lighttpd to work right i want my web site to be www.blah.com  but it says forbiddin
[04:13] <Aremi> It's booted off the disk at the moment.
[04:13] <tannji> wheatthin,   ah...  lol..  ya, I was wondering what next  = )
[04:14] <holstein> Aremi: you can likely test that you can install what is needed.. i usually do that before i install ..i like to see *everything* working
[04:14] <Aremi> Yeah, alright.  I'll give the link a try first as is and get back to you with the results.
[04:14] <silv3r_m00n> i want to upgrade only a specific package, # apt-get upgrade mate-desktop   but this is pulling upgrade of all packages, how to upgrade just selected packages?
[04:15] <wheatthin> silv3r_m00n, the more or less are dependencies.
[04:15] <wheatthin> they are*
[04:16] <wheatthin> silv3r_m00n, might as well get them up to date right?
[04:17] <tannji> wheatthin,  it appears to have worked fine, but returned a msg to make sure CUPS was running before hitting enter....  how do I check?/
[04:19] <silv3r_m00n> wheatthin: to update selected package, doing install again works fine
[04:20] <Aremi> Oh solid
[04:20] <Br|aN> ?
[04:20] <Aremi> holstein: Thanks for your help!  It works now
[04:21] <holstein> Aremi: ok. so, *if* you choose to install, you should have the same experience you just did
[04:21] <Aremi> I am installing now, but does that mean I have to redo that again?
[04:22] <holstein> Aremi: it means, that if you do need to redo that, you'll know how, and what to expect
[04:22] <Aremi> Alright cool thanks.  I'ma be logging off now!
[04:22] <holstein> Aremi: i usually start from scratch, and dont take upgrades during the install.. but you'll likely be fine :)
[04:22] <Aremi> Ooops
[04:22] <Aremi> I checked update during instlal
[04:22] <Aremi> and the third-party as well.
[04:23] <holstein> Aremi: sure.. you'll be fine.. just know that that is a potential difference in the live CD that just worked, and the system you are going to have post-install
[04:23] <makara> hi. looking 4 an all-purpose command line audio converter
[04:23] <Aremi> Nah, I went back and unchecked it.
[04:23] <Aremi> It's really not a big deal if it suddenly fails and blows up, since this computer is nearly dead anyways.
[04:24] <holstein> makara: how about http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/soundconverter.1.html
[04:24] <holstein> i have only ever used it from the GUI
[04:24] <wheatthin> I have no clue about cups
[04:25] <wheatthin> !cups | tannji
[04:25] <Br|aN> tryin to get lighttpd to work right i want my web site to be www.blah.com  but it says forbiddin
[04:25] <wheatthin> Br|aN, do you have a .com?
[04:25] <holstein> beachbum_Bob: try by IP
[04:25] <tannji> wheatthin,  thanks, assumed I had it, but just got done installing it   = )
[04:25] <holstein> beachbum_Bob: sorry
[04:26] <Br|aN> i have p0t.biz and potnet.org
[04:26] <holstein> Br|aN: ^^ try by IP
[04:26] <makara> holstein, ah why not. GUI is so happening
[04:26] <Br|aN> no everything i put in .
[04:26] <Br|aN> ./var/www/ comes up forbiddin
[04:26] <holstein> makara: im just saying, there *is* a command line option, though, i have not tried it.. just the GUI..
[04:27] <holstein> Br|aN: comes up?
[04:27] <Br|aN> it doesnt if its in a directory like smoke.p0t.biz/potnet
[04:27] <Br|aN> try smoke.p0t.biz then try smoke.p0t.biz/potnet
[04:27] <wheatthin> Br|aN, and this is lighttp?
[04:27] <Br|aN> ya
[04:28] <DIIP> wen i try 2 install sumthn by sudo apt command it tls unable to lock the dir..
[04:29] <DIIP> please help
[04:29] <wheatthin> Br|aN, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-lighttpd-virtualhost-configuration/
[04:29] <asandweech> hey, if anyone is going to be on when phunyguy comes back, please give him the message that i got it working
[04:29] <holstein> DIIP: share the *exact* error via pastebin, please
[04:29] <wheatthin> sure.
[04:29] <asandweech> DIIP: do you have another apt program running?
[04:29] <wheatthin> asandweech, ^
[04:29] <asandweech> such as synaptic or another package manager?
[04:30] <delinquentme> is there a nice simple command line var for a simple date?
[04:30] <wheatthin> date
[04:30] <delinquentme> say like 2013-07-03 for today?
[04:30] <holstein> !info date
[04:30] <DIIP> "sudo apt-get install gparted" command ask for passwrd of root nd then tl unable to lock /usr/bin directory
[04:30] <delinquentme> something I can encode into a file name?
[04:31] <phunyguy> great, asandweech!
[04:31] <somsip> delinquentme: date +"%Y-%m-%d", though you may need to check the formatting. something like that
[04:31] <phunyguy> asandweech: care to share?
[04:31] <holstein> DIIP: in a terminal, can you login to a root shell with this command.. "sudo -i" ?
[04:31] <asandweech> ah, had to run boot-repair upon completion of install
[04:31] <delinquentme> somsip, you. win.
[04:31] <asandweech> i know not what it did
[04:32] <phunyguy> ok. :)
[04:32] <tannji> How do you tell if your init script directory is "init.d"  or   "rc.d"  ?
[04:32] <ad134> i was wondering
[04:32] <phunyguy> grats.
[04:32] <asandweech> but it works now. Course, now windows no longer boots
[04:32] <asandweech> but owell
[04:32] <asandweech> lol
[04:32] <wheatthin> tannji, what are you trying to start?
[04:32] <DIIP> yes bt ask for pass.
[04:32] <delinquentme> $ sudo cp bety/ bety${date +"%Y-%m-%d"}
[04:32] <delinquentme> not quite though
[04:32] <phunyguy> asandweech: I am guessing it added some modesetting stuff via grub.
[04:32] <phunyguy> or the like.
[04:32] <holstein> DIIP: can you enter your user password and get to a root shell?
[04:32] <DIIP> yes
[04:33] <ad134> i once had ubuntu installed alongside windows8 and then when ever i booted up to windows 8 it took around a minute whearas now it takes around a second!
[04:33] <wheatthin> nice..
[04:33] <ad134> well now i dont have ubuntu installed
[04:33] <wheatthin> timeout was set too long
[04:33] <wheatthin> ad134, ^
[04:33] <tannji> I am installing a printer, that PrinterInstall.sh is working but needs to know where the init script directory is.  I see the two options...  do I have to open then in a text editor to tell which one is the init script dierectory?
[04:33] <ad134> anyone know why?
[04:33] <holstein> DIIP: close everything else.. other package managers..
[04:33] <tannji> wheatthin,   I am installing a printer, that PrinterInstall.sh is working but needs to know where the init script directory is.  I see the two options...  do I have to open then in a text editor to tell which one is the init script dierectory?
[04:34] <wilee-nilee> windows has a sleep mode for its install by itseld, with a dual boot it shuts down
[04:34] <wilee-nilee> itself
[04:34] <wheatthin> tannji, does it have a default option?
[04:34] <wilee-nilee> hybrid sleep anyway
[04:34] <holstein> DIIP: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted"
[04:34] <wheatthin> init.d should be fine
[04:34] <ad134> hibernate?
[04:34] <asandweech> phunyguy: it did, i'm pretty sure an update grub will fix it
[04:34] <OerHeks> ad134 not really an ubuntu support question, but maybe windows 8 uses fastboot, join ##windows for that kind of help
[04:34] <DIIP> i tried installing from software package of ubuntu 13.04 default but it shows downldn bt never get started..
[04:34] <ad134> oh okay thanks
[04:35] <tannji> dunno...  the directions say to see which it is...  so I am assuming I have to check, which iassume I have to do in an editor?
[04:35] <wilee-nilee> ad134, By itself it has a fastboot hybrid
[04:35] <holstein> DIIP: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted" , please, and share errors via pastebin
[04:35] <wheatthin> tannji, init.d should be fine
[04:35] <ad134> thought it might be a problem with grub
[04:35] <wilee-nilee> nope
[04:35] <phunyguy> !paste | DIIP
[04:36] <tannji> ok, I'll choose that, but for reference, is there a way I should check, in case I need to do something like that in the future
[04:36] <wheatthin> tannji, well if it's a self contained init script then init.d is fine
[04:37] <wheatthin> tannji, /etc/init.d  is where most of the others are at
[04:39] <yown> should there be any reason to have to restart ubuntu in order for it to see a newly plugged in usb device?
[04:39] <asandweech> yown: not really
[04:39] <asandweech> yown: potentially if you completely unmount it
[04:39] <yown> then does anyone have a idea why it might not be seeing my fujifilm digital camera?
[04:39] <holstein> yown: maybe something with the hardware failing.. or yeah, if you "eject" it, and dont take it out and put it back in
[04:40] <asandweech> yown: how is it being connected?
[04:40] <holstein> yown: bad usb port.. bad hardware support... many potential reasons
[04:40] <yown> mini usb to usb
[04:40] <yown> the usb port is fine, Ive used usb flash drives there
[04:40] <wheatthin> yown, lsusb
[04:40] <wheatthin> with it plugged in
[04:41] <yown> Well how might I test what is wrong to fix it?
[04:41] <asandweech> yown: does it use an sd card or external flash memory?
[04:41] <holstein> yown: im just responding to "any idea why".. if you have more relevant info, please share
[04:41] <yown> sd card
[04:41] <yown> like what?
[04:42] <wheatthin> yown, and you don't have an sd slot?
[04:42] <yown> model is finepix f660exr
[04:42] <wheatthin> ?
[04:42] <yown> you mean to directly connect it to my PC? No i don't
[04:43] <wheatthin> okay, then using lsusb should show it
[04:43] <holstein> yown: i got myself a little USB sd card reader
[04:43] <yown> U dibt
[04:43] <yown> I dont
[04:43] <wheatthin> yown, did you enter that command?
[04:43] <phunyguy> yown, someone is trying to help you
[04:44] <yown> guve ne a ninebt
[04:44] <yown> give me a moment
[04:44] <holstein> yown: open a terminal, and type "lsusb".. hit enter, and share the result fo the hardware... share the entire output in a pastebin if you cant parse it
[04:44] <yown> I did
[04:45] <holstein> yown: who is that message for? and what are you referencing?
[04:45] <yown> Besides other specific devices I know to be attached, all listings were of intel this or that, or linux this or that
[04:45] <phunyguy> yown, so pastebin it
[04:45] <phunyguy> !paste
[04:45] <yown> Iwhen I used the lsusb command
[04:45] <ur0pl> pider
[04:46] <yown> well it seems unnecessary, the camera didn't list, but ok
[04:46] <holstein> yown: i might have missed you link the hardare line.. just paste it again, please
[04:46] <disdi> Having problem in mounting a nodev filesystem
[04:46] <phunyguy> yown, also plug the device in and pastebin the output of "dmesg | tail" right after
[04:46] <disdi> can someone help
[04:46] <yown> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5842446/
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> !details > disdi
[04:47] <wheatthin> sandisk micro is it
[04:47] <phunyguy> also yown, try a USB 2.0 port vs 3.0 if you haven't already.
[04:47] <asandweech> yown: do you have a cruzer already plugged in?
[04:48] <yown> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5842449/
[04:48] <disdi> I am running ubuntu 13.04
[04:48] <yown> yes
[04:48] <disdi> there in cat  /proc/filesystems
[04:48] <ImaLamer>  /wc
[04:48] <disdi> i have entry for a filesystem as
[04:48] <disdi> nodev HEPunion
[04:48] <holstein> yown: one thing i do is unplug uncessary hardware when troubleshooting
[04:48] <yown> It is in a usb 2, I should also try it in a usb 3, that might detect it when 2 doesnt phunyguy
[04:49] <holstein> disdi: in the future, try and enter your question all on one line
[04:49] <wheatthin> yown, was this disk formatted before it was used?
[04:49] <phunyguy> !enter | disdi
[04:49] <asandweech> yown: you wouldn't happen to know what filesystem it has, would you?
[04:49] <yown> holstein: What is the proper way of removing a usb flash drive during active linux?
[04:49] <wheatthin> eject
[04:50] <spec123> can I ask an off topic question in here?
[04:50] <yown> wheatthin: What disk?
[04:50] <wheatthin> yown, fdisk -l should show it
[04:50] <phunyguy> spec123: no.
[04:50] <somsip> !ot | spec123
[04:50] <disdi> sure......I am running ubuntu 13.04..there in cat  /proc/filesystems..nodev HEPunion.now....... when I do mount -t HEPunion none  /mnt.......i get error
[04:50] <holstein> spec123: go to the offtopic channel
[04:50] <spec123> ah thanks!
[04:50] <phunyguy> :P
[04:51] <yown> wheatthin: I am looking for help detecting a camera, not any kind of disk
[04:51] <phunyguy> yown: the camera may appear as a disk, and you did ask about unmounting a disk / ejecting
[04:51] <holstein> yown: the camera *is* a disk.. that is how you are trying to mount it, correct? as a hard drive?
[04:52] <disdi> I am running ubuntu 13.04..I see its entry by issuing cat  /proc/filesystems.as.nodev HEPunion.now....... when I do mount -t HEPunion none  /mnt.......i get error
[04:52] <disdi> can someone help
[04:52] <yown> holstein: I am not trying to mount it as any particular thing, I am just trying to connect to it to get a picture off
[04:52] <holstein> yown: i have a camera with a hardware switch.. when its set one way, it shows as a webcam to the computer, and the other, a hard disk
[04:52] <holstein> yown: that *is* as a particular thing.. a hard disk
[04:52] <holstein> !patience | disdi
[04:53] <disdi> ubittu: sorry
[04:53] <yown> holstein: I don't see a switch like that on this camera
[04:53] <holstein> yown: are there any such similar hardware switches on the camera that would make it be seen as a usb drive?
[04:53] <disdi> holstein: ok...i'll wait
[04:54] <phunyguy> disdi: ubottu is a bot.
[04:54] <phunyguy> !ubottu
[04:54] <yown> phunyguy: I asked about ejecting it because holstein recommended I removed a usb flash drive as a unnecessary device
[04:54] <holstein> yown: also, it may just not work.. unless the vendor guaranteed linux support.. the small usb sd card reader i bought was very inexpensive and would work great for you
[04:54] <wheatthin> yown, the only other way I know about it is, you'll have to get a camera app
[04:54] <phunyguy> good luck, yown
[04:55] <holstein> yown: you have tried *every* usb port?
[04:55] <yown> holstein: no, I have alot of them, If I were to pull it out and put it in every single one of them, where should I be looking if it does get detected?
[04:56] <asandweech> yown
[04:56] <asandweech> : do you have any other systems you can test the camera on?
[04:56] <holstein> yown: since you want to move a file off, and onto another hard drive, i would open a file manager. the file manager you use when you plug a USB stick in.. my camera shows up there in the same place
[04:56] <yown> asandweech: Not at the moment, I got a friend with a windows computer we can it on tomorrow
[04:57] <wheatthin> yown, what kind of camera again?
[04:57] <yown> wheatthin: fdisk -l did nothing, gave no data at all
[04:57] <holstein> finepix f660exr
[04:57] <holstein> wheatthin: ^
[04:57] <disdi> I am running ubuntu 13.04..I see its entry by issuing cat  /proc/filesystems.as.nodev HEPunion.now....... when I do mount -t HEPunion none  /mnt.......i get error
[04:58] <yown> holstein: I don't know what you mean by a file manager, I didn't use anything like that for a usb stick
[04:58] <holstein> disdi: even more patiently
[04:59] <remmylebou> hey I have an infection and need help
[04:59] <yown> remmylebou: See a doctor
[04:59] <holstein> yown: so, you plug a usb stick in.. what do you use to read it?
[04:59] <asandweech> yown: File manager is what you would use to browse the files on your disk
[04:59] <remmylebou> virus
[04:59] <phunyguy> remmylebou: PC or human?
[04:59] <asandweech> yown: examples would be nautilus or dolphin
[04:59] <OerHeks> remmylebou, what makes you think you have a virus?
[04:59] <wheatthin> yown, unplug and replug it in and then type   dmesg|tail -20
[04:59] <yown> holstein: It appears in my device list in nautilus
[04:59] <wheatthin> heh
[05:00] <yown> I simply click on it, and it opens
[05:00] <holstein> yown: nautilus *is* the file manager i reference
[05:00] <yown> k
[05:00] <asandweech> yes
[05:00] <wheatthin> which it would still list in fdisk -l
[05:00] <wheatthin> lol
[05:00] <wheatthin> but using usdo
[05:00] <wheatthin> sudo*
[05:00] <FloodBot1> wheatthin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:00] <wheatthin> my bad lol I knew it was going to do that to me
[05:00] <remmylebou> well I was on another chat and someone must have figured out my password or something because he used me to flood the channel
[05:01] <phunyguy> 4 is all it takes
[05:01] <yown> holstein: So it should appear there if its a matter of the right usb port?
[05:01] <asandweech> remmylebou: so what makes you think you have a virus?
[05:01] <yown> holstein: Can't I just plug it into a usb port I know to work for usb flash drive or mouse?
[05:01] <phunyguy> remmylebou: Quite positive that doesn't mean virus
[05:01] <asandweech> remmylebou: that would indicate to me someone just accessed your account
[05:01] <yown> remmylebou: You will find that people here mostly believe it is nearly impossible for linux to naturally get a virus
[05:01] <remmylebou> I had to change my nick and password but they said I still need to remove something
[05:01] <holstein> yown: there is no "should".. there is only an unsupported device that the linux kernel is trying to support for you.. if it were my device, i would try all the ports
[05:02] <phunyguy> yown, that is not true at all.
[05:02] <wheatthin> yown, we do not
[05:02] <yown> Then what antivirus do you recommend for linux?
[05:02] <wheatthin> !antivirus
[05:02] <phunyguy> viruses not existing, and not being possible are two completely different things.
[05:02] <yown> see!
[05:02] <remmylebou> more likely they figured out my password because I do not have the skills to flood a channel
[05:02] <holstein> yown: i recommend doing what makes you feel safe.. but most, as do i, do not use AV in linux
[05:03] <yown> I was just defending what I said
[05:03] <wheatthin> remmylebou, just repeating on 3 or 4 lines will cause a flood
[05:03] <remmylebou> so whatever it is I need to get rid of it
[05:03] <asandweech> yown: due to the "small" user base of consumer linux, mainstream viruses ar enot often developed for linux
[05:03] <phunyguy> yown, what I said still stands.  AV is not needed if viruses on linux are not common.
[05:03] <asandweech> yown: that doesn't mean one couldn't be created
[05:03] <phunyguy> remmylebou: so change your nickserv password and use SSL to connect
[05:03] <wheatthin> remmylebou, does it keep doing it?
[05:04] <yown> "You will find that people here mostly believe it is nearly impossible for linux to naturally get a virus"  "that is not true at all." "we do not" then you guys proceed to prove me right
[05:04] <wheatthin> if you've gotten banned, you might need to wait, until the bot unmutes you
[05:04] <phunyguy> !ot | yown
[05:04] <yown> I was helping rem
[05:04] <phunyguy> we can take this discussion there if you would like.
[05:04] <yown> No need
[05:04] <holstein> yown: there are AV programs available for linux.. feel free and share that information with whoever you feel necessary, and in here, as long as its relating to the topic
[05:05] <remmylebou> I don't know I got the z-line removed then got banned again because I acted like I did not know what happened
[05:05] <phunyguy> "acted like"?
[05:05] <disdi> I have designed a filesystem .inserted it in kernel(insmod)........I see its entry by issuing cat  /proc/filesystems.as.nodev HEPunion.now....... when I do mount -t HEPunion none  /mnt.......i get error
[05:05] <holstein> remmylebou: i think you are confusing your computer health with your IRC account/nick
[05:06] <phunyguy> disdi: the specific error would help, maybe a dmesg output...
[05:06] <phunyguy> !details | disdi
[05:06] <remmylebou> if anyone wants to help just pm me
[05:06] <phunyguy> !pm | remmylebou
[05:06] <yown> holstein: So you aren't talking about broken USB ports, but where they all work, except one might be compatible with the camera, and one not?
[05:06] <holstein> remmylebou: thats not the way it works here.. you ask, and a volunteer helps
[05:06] <disdi> ubottu: it comes on all distro actually
[05:07] <mugupta> Hey, I am new to Linux. Can anyone tell me how to do a recursive grep in a directory but only in the *.h files?
[05:07] <holstein> yown: im talking about testing that device with all the ports. because its something that wont take long
[05:07] <remmylebou> well is anyone willing to help?
[05:07] <holstein> !ask | remmylebou
[05:07] <phunyguy> remmylebou: not sure we can.
[05:07] <remmylebou> talk to the other channel...
[05:07] <wheatthin> mugupta, you mean cat?
[05:07] <yown> holstein: So you aren't talking about broken USB ports, but where they all work, except one might be compatible with the camera, and one not?
[05:07] <holstein> remmylebou: i feel like what you have stated so far implies that your IRC account was compromised
[05:08] <asandweech> mugupta: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/2998/grep-certain-file-types-recursively
[05:08] <disdi> phunuguy: now error log  is------------\ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on none,
[05:08] <remmylebou> sounds like it so now what?
[05:08] <asandweech> mugupta: are those what you are looking for?
[05:08] <wheatthin> yown, on certain computers and devices, one might be usb 1.0 and the other might be usb 2.0 which can go backwards to 1.0
[05:08] <phunyguy> remmylebou: have you asked in #freenode ?
[05:08] <holstein> yown: im literally talking about taking the device, and trying *a* the ports with it.. with no preconcieved reason
[05:08] <mugupta> wheatthin: I know a macro exists in the directory. The macro is defined in one of the header files. I want to know which header file it is
[05:09] <holstein> remmylebou: yup.. #freenoe is where i would go.. and you *dont* have a virus based soley on what you are describing
[05:09] <yown> wheatthin: I can say with absolute certainty that aside from a USB 3 port, all mine are usb 2s
[05:09] <holstein> #freenode
[05:09] <phunyguy> disdi: dmesg | tail in !pastebin please after the failed mount.
[05:09] <asandweech> mugupta: find .-name "*.[ch]" -exec grep "macro" {} +
[05:10] <yown> holstein: If there isn't any point to plugging in and out of various ports, I would rather not wear out the cable and my usb port connections needlessly
[05:10] <disdi> nothing .related to this fs...since I am not using printk...
[05:10] <mugupta> asandweech: It will be really helpful if you could also explain me the command so that I am able to use it for similar purposes in the future
[05:10] <phunyguy> yown, holstein is just trying to help.  Take it or leave it.
[05:10] <wheatthin> yown, well then just pay attention to it showing up in nautilus
[05:10] <asandweech> mugupta: right, in the above command,
[05:10] <disdi> or other such msgs that is thrown at console
[05:10] <phunyguy> disdi: ???
[05:10] <holstein> yown: cool.. just wait patiently for another volunteer to make a suggestion then..
[05:10] <tannji> what command do I issue to see if cups is running? and if it is, stop cups so I can modify  printers.conf?
[05:11] <disdi> phunyguy: i do not get any msg related to this filesyste mount fail in dmesg
[05:11] <OerHeks> tannji, open your browser: localhost:631  # and modify printer here
[05:11] <wheatthin> tannji, ps aux | grep cups
[05:11] <asandweech> mugupta: find is a program that..finds files. -name is an argument that specifies to search certain file names with "*.[ch]" being the regex that identifies the filetype. you would replace [ch] with [h] to search through header files
[05:11] <phunyguy> disdi: what about in /var/log/syslog  ?
[05:11] <wheatthin> then you'll know the service is running.. then it's up to you to configure it
[05:12] <yown> holstein: Please don't just make a suggestion, but tell me what I am doing, I find it is generally a bad idea to blindly poke around, even for taking advice. Now if I knew what you hoped to test with this, I would have a better idea of it all in general, which might even bring me closer to solving my problem
[05:12] <asandweech> mugupta: -exec pipes the output into grep, which searches for "macro" and {} and + are grep arguments that control the output format
[05:12] <wheatthin> yown, well your problem is solved, now what?
[05:12] <wilee-nilee> !attitude | yown this is why I put you in ignore earlier.
[05:12] <disdi> phunyguy: i havent checked.......give me a moment
[05:12] <yown> wheatthin: No it isn't, what gave you that idea?
[05:12] <holstein> yown: what you would be doing, if you want to is taking that device and trying it with all the ports on your machine.. i say that, mostly, becuase i dont trust that you know the hardware that well
[05:13] <wheatthin> yown, you said it showed up in nautilus, didn't you?
[05:13] <asandweech> mugupta: the . right after find specifies the current directory
[05:13] <wheatthin> navigate through the device through nautilus and get your files
[05:13] <yown> wheatthin: No I did not, I said earlier that is where my usb flash drive shows up
[05:13] <varunendra> yown, USB ports these days use at least three different types of drivers and they may behave differently with different devices. Trying out different ports is not actully a totally blind shot.
[05:13] <mugupta> asandweech: Excellent. What are {} and + for? Won't I also have to use -r?
[05:13] <asandweech> mugupta: I just used find . -name "*.[h]" -exec grep "hello" {} + to search all of my header files in my cwd for "hello"
[05:14] <remmylebou> ok so far freenode has yet to be helpful
[05:14] <phunyguy> yown, fair enough.  If it is not in lsusb, then we should figure out why
[05:14] <holstein> and trying different ports *has* actually worked for me in the past
[05:14] <phunyguy> remmylebou: I am sorry, but that is not on topic here.
[05:14] <asandweech> mugupta: no, -r is not needed since find . returns allt he files in the current directory according to -name
[05:14] <yown> varunendra: So even two working usb 2 ports off the motherboard might behave differently connecting to X device?
[05:14] <asandweech> mugupta :{} + control output format
[05:15] <asandweech> mugupta: let me find you a good quick resource
[05:15] <holstein> yown: im not making things up, but, as i said, you have no official linux support so you will mostly be stabbing blindly.. and trying a device in different ports wil *never* cause any damage to your hardware
[05:15] <phunyguy> ^^^^ unless you take a hammer to it
[05:15] <phunyguy> please don't take a hammer to it.
[05:15] <hero_biz> hi guys
[05:15] <yown> holstein: Are you saying that my understanding of wear and tear on contacts of pulling something on and off repeatedly is wrong?
[05:16] <hero_biz> i got a small question
[05:16] <holstein> yown: no. and i dont suggest you pull them in and out repeatedly.. just the one or 2 times should work
[05:16] <phunyguy> !ask | hero_biz
[05:16] <hero_biz> when i run apt-cache showpkg <pkg> for a special package, i will get 2 different versions
[05:16] <varunendra> yown, you have to see it yourself and figure out which port is connected to what kind of hub, and what driver that hub is using (ehci, uhci or xhci). You may try lspci to see position of hubs, then "usb-devices" to see the drivers (although that is not necessary if you know which version uses what driver)
[05:16] <holstein> yown: but, as i sai, you dont have to take the suggestion.. and you shouldnt do anything you feel uncomfortable, or unsafe doing
[05:17] <hero_biz> how i can find which one will be installed if i run apt-get install <pkg> ?
[05:17] <yown> holstein: Well I got 8 usb ports or so one of which is occupied by my mouse
[05:17] <holstein> yown: i need to crash though, friend.. so, good luck to you! but, do try and be willing to take a few suggestions here from the volunteers
[05:17] <phunyguy> hero_biz: apt-get -s install <pkgname>
[05:17] <greyhatpython> Hi friends i have tested Ubuntu by Upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04 and fresh install of 13.04 in another system. Now what i feel is fresh install is faster than upgrade. But how to save my installed apps during fresh install??
[05:17] <OerHeks> hero_biz, do you get a i386 and amd64 package?
[05:17] <remmylebou> well can anyone tell me how to change my IP?
[05:17] <mugupta> asandweech: Perfect. worked for me on the first go. For C/C++ projects, which IDE do people generally prefer in linux to understand the workflow of the program?
[05:18] <asandweech> mugupta: hmm, i have used several
[05:18] <hero_biz> no i386,amd64
[05:18] <hero_biz> one is from main repo,other from PPA
[05:18] <liq> remmylebou: with ifconfig
[05:18] <asandweech> mugupta: shall we move this to a pm so as to keep this board open for ubuntu?
[05:18] <yown> well I asked a question several times now, and so far I haven't spotted a answer
[05:18] <wilee-nilee> remmylebou, Turn off your router for 30 seconds then restart it.
[05:18] <OerHeks> hero_biz, oke, then the PPA version rules, AFAIK
[05:18] <mugupta> asandweech: Sure, sorry.
[05:18] <phunyguy> !ppa | hero_biz
[05:19] <varunendra> yown, regardless of port or driver in use, the dmesg and syslog (at least one of them) *should* show some activity if the camera is detected at all. If they are quite, it means there is not much to try.
[05:19] <phunyguy> remmylebou: to avoid taking you down the wrong path, this is not the best channel to ask your questions in.  Are you even on Ubuntu?
[05:19] <hero_biz> oh,when then a PPA verison available, i will install it rather than the one from main repo?
[05:20] <phunyguy> hero_biz: if you have the ppa enabled, yes
[05:20] <hero_biz> ok,ty
[05:20] <yown> So even two working usb 2 ports off the motherboard might behave differently connecting to X device because they could be operated by different software in the OS varunendra ?
[05:20] <disdi> phunyguy: can you give me the exact command I should run to have a look at /var/log/syslog  ? less /var/log/syslog  doesnt work
[05:21] <varunendra> yown, definitely. Especially if one of them is using xhci (usb3 ports)
[05:21] <phunyguy> disdi: "cat /var/log/syslog | tail"
[05:21] <phunyguy> disdi: are you on ubuntu??
[05:21] <disdi> RHEL5
[05:21] <disdi> and ubuntu 13.04
[05:21] <phunyguy> disdi: then please join a red hat support channel.
[05:22] <phunyguy> OK, then try from Ubuntu please.
[05:22] <disdi> sure
[05:22] <phunyguy> also,
[05:22] <phunyguy> !enter
[05:22] <phunyguy> that would avoid that confusion.
[05:23] <yown> varunendra: So it should show up in a second or two? If so, I tried all ports, nothing
[05:23] <phunyguy> and yown, I believe I mentioned that earlier.
[05:24] <phunyguy> yown, if it does not show up, please see if there is anything in "dmesg | tail"
[05:24] <phunyguy> pastebin the output please.
[05:26] <varunendra> yown, just keep an eye on the two logs (dmesg and "/var/log/syslog") while trying different ports. The detection time also depends on how the other device (camera in your case) is detecting and initiating the connection. Typically, 4 to 10 seconds should be sufficient.
[05:26] <phunyguy> varunendra: that was my next suggestion. Is the camera even turned on?
[05:27] <yown> well it was, forgot it turns itself off after long enough inactivity though
[05:27] <phunyguy> /headdesk  :)
[05:27] <varunendra> yown, if these logs are quite, we may be missing something in the camera settings itself. Even if the camera isn't supported, it MUST show at least *some* activity in these logs.
[05:27] <varunendra> yown, whaaat !! :P
[05:28] <OerHeks> yown you will never make that mistake again :-D
[05:28] <yown> varunendra: How long should I give it for each port?
[05:29] <wheatthin> it will show up in dmesg when you plug it into the usb
[05:29] <varunendra> yown, it's risky to say ;) but let's settle for 4 to 10 seconds.. :D
[05:29] <we6jbo> Hi
[05:29] <phunyguy> yown, in a terminal, you can try "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" and see if there is activity when you plug it in
[05:29] <we6jbo> I have a question
[05:30] <phunyguy> !ask we6jbo
[05:30] <we6jbo> ok
[05:30] <phunyguy> !ask | we6jbo
[05:30] <phunyguy> (getting tired :-/ )
[05:30] <we6jbo> Is there a way to have things put into a directory made automatically encrypted so that if I copy them to a CD or something they stay encrypted?
[05:31] <we6jbo> ya kno what i mean?
[05:31] <varunendra> yown, just 'dmesg | tail -20' for dmesg, and 'cat /var/log/syslog | tail -40' for syslog (syslog happens to contain much more messages, hence 40 lines)
[05:31] <phunyguy> varunendra: tail -f follows the log
[05:31] <phunyguy> :)
[05:31] <phunyguy> realtime
[05:32] <we6jbo> like if I had a directory on my desktop called encrypted and I put a file in there it would become encrypted so that if I later copied that file to a CD it would stay encrypted
[05:32] <varunendra> phunyguy, didn't know that, thaks!! :D
[05:32] <phunyguy> we6jbo: the issue with that is, how will it be decrypted when on CD?
[05:32] <phunyguy> we6jbo: most encryption methods are transparent
[05:33] <phunyguy> we6jbo: but are restricted to that one location
[05:33] <we6jbo> yeah but I'd want the file to stay encrypted even when I move it out of that directory
[05:33] <phunyguy> we6jbo: for example, if you put a folder there, then burn it to a CD, when it leaves the folder to go to CD, it is not encrypted at that point.
[05:33] <we6jbo> or files (because of the directory)
[05:34] <reisio> we6jbo: mmmm
[05:34] <reisio> neat idea
[05:34] <wilee-nilee> we6jbo, I use truecrypt and can transfer the file anywhere and open it with truecrypt, however to insert anything you have to open it.
[05:34] <we6jbo> yeah that wouldn't work
[05:34] <reisio> like a FUSE filesystem for 7z -mhe=on
[05:34] <remmylebou> hey i'm trying to change my IP address anyone feel like helping a noob?
[05:34] <yown> varunendra:  You mean type in that command, then quickly plug the camera in while its running?
[05:34] <reisio> remmylebou: to what end
[05:34] <phunyguy> remmylebou: I asked you a question earlier
[05:34] <phunyguy> remmylebou: are you on Ubuntu?
[05:34] <wilee-nilee> remmylebou, Restart your router with a 30 second wait while off.
[05:35] <remmylebou> Yes Ubuntu I just want to learn how
[05:35] <phunyguy> remmylebou: to what end?
[05:35] <varunendra> yown, nope, the messages will generate AFTER plugging in the camera. You have to run the commands after 4-10 seconds.
[05:36] <remmylebou> safety
[05:36] <phunyguy> !manual | also, remmylebou,
[05:36] <jgcampbell300> is there a way to use ssh to cp files but be able to close the terminal before its done ? ... moving TB's of info
[05:36] <remmylebou> don't make me put on my tinfoil hat
[05:36] <yown> varunendra: So do I have to unplug the camera, wait 10 seconds, plug it back in and quickly run the commands?
[05:36] <asandweech> jgcambell11300: have you ever used scp?
[05:36] <remmylebou> and no I already know that stuff
[05:36] <varunendra> yown, the commands I suggested will only give you a snapshot (last 20, 40 lines) of these logs.
[05:37] <netlar> Well I am back, maybe for good
[05:37] <remmylebou> my favorite part is terminal
[05:37] <phunyguy> jgcampbell300: yes, ssh to remote location, launch screen, then do an rsync from there.
[05:37] <yown> varunendra: Was that a yes?
[05:37] <varunendra> yown, no. The wait time is AFTER plugging in the device (it takes time for it to get ready and get detected)
[05:37] <phunyguy> rsync with your local workstation as the source. (as ssh back)
[05:37] <jgcampbell300> ahh ... so i am looking for rsync or scp ?
[05:38] <phunyguy> jgcampbell300: get what I am saying?
[05:38] <varunendra> yown, I'm a lazy typist :) horribly slow ... :P
[05:38] <asandweech> jgcampbell300: either or, stick with phunyguy for now
[05:38] <netlar> Tried Debian , was way too much work
[05:38] <asandweech> netlar: nah, debian ain't so bad at all
[05:38] <yown> varunendra: Righjt, so do I need to unplug the camera, then replug it in, then wait 10 seconds then run the command? (which is what I just said and you said no to!)
[05:38] <asandweech> netlar: no more complex than ubuntu at least
[05:38] <jgcampbell300> i think i used it once or twice but dont rember ... will have to look it up agian
[05:38] <netlar> asandweech: Just you need to load so much, it is so bare boned
[05:38] <phunyguy> yown, can you be serious please?
[05:38] <yown> I am being series
[05:39] <tannji> I think my printer install is done, but in Printer.conf, I have a line that says "DeviceURI usb:/dev/usb/lp0"    I am trying to set this up as a workgroup printer via LAN, what would I change that line to?
[05:39] <Trel> I installed wicd as a backup in case I screw up a gui and need to create a wireless connection.  How can I disable it from starting until I manually launch the daemon?
[05:39] <phunyguy> yown: various people have tried to help you, but you aren't listening.
[05:39] <asandweech> netlar: Yeah, that is one reason why it is good for running servers
[05:39] <reisio> jgcampbell300: rsync is better for resuming, you can use it with ssh if you like
[05:39] <phunyguy> jgcampbell300: do you get what I am asking you to do in theory though?
[05:39] <netlar> asandweech: yes, now that makes so much more sense
[05:39] <varunendra> yown, plug it in > wait 10 sec > see the logs > (if no activity) remove > replug to another port > wait 10 sec. > recheck logs > so on...
[05:39] <yown> phunyguy: Would you please not accuse me of not being serious or of not listening. If I wasnt listening, I wouldn't be giving this much effort
[05:39] <phunyguy> yown, I beg to differ.  I watched you in !ot yesterday.
[05:39] <wheatthin> btw yown did you try digikam or something of the sort?
[05:39] <jgcampbell300> phunyguy, ya ... use rsync to run a local command at the server insted of this side of the ssh tunnel right ?
[05:40] <phunyguy> jgcampbell300: yes with screen, so that you can disconnect and it still runs
[05:40] <netlar> asandweech: worked on it for 2 days trying to get everything to work, got tiring, loaded Ubuntu, took me 30 min to get everything working
[05:40] <tannji> yown, you asked varunendra  if you quickly plugged it in and that is what he said no to
[05:40] <jgcampbell300> phunyguy, kk thanks .. gona go read up on rsync
[05:40] <jgcampbell300> !rsync
[05:40] <yown> Well those who are helping me, I will listen to.  Those who wish to accuse me, just stop please. I will try to ignore you anyway
[05:40] <asandweech> netlar, what did you have difficulty with, if you don't mind me asking?
[05:41] <phunyguy> yown: have you pastebin'd any output yet?
[05:41] <jgcampbell300> phunyguy, oh wait ... both dir's are on the server ... will that matter ?
[05:41] <varunendra> yown, I understand the last confusion was due to my slow response. It was my mistake..
[05:41] <phunyguy> jgcampbell300: nope. just local to local at that point
[05:41] <tannji> yown,   "varunendra: So do I have to unplug the camera, wait 10 seconds, plug it back in and quickly run the commands?"
[05:41] <phunyguy> which is fine
[05:41] <jgcampbell300> phunyguy, kk ty again
[05:41] <netlar> asandweech: USB Speaker, wireless keyboard and mouse, graphic card, bluetooth
[05:41] <yown> varunendra:  So should I run those two commands concurrently in two terminals?
[05:41] <phunyguy> yown, if you had listened to me, you would know that I asked you to type a command that would FOLLOW a log, and give output if something was added.
[05:42] <asandweech> netlar: ah, I can understand the bluetooth and graphics card.
[05:42] <varunendra> yown, as suitable to you. It doesn't matter.
[05:42] <yown> varunendra: How quickly after plugging in the camera do the commands need to be run?
[05:42] <netlar> asandweech: well the keyboard and mouse work on the unifying from logitech
[05:43] <asandweech> netlar: setting it up on amd gpus has been significantly easier for me in the past in comparison to nvidia for debian
[05:43] <netlar> asandweech: and there is a app called Solaar that fixes that
[05:43] <yown> phunyguy: I did not understand what you said
[05:43] <phunyguy> yown, do you need to me to type it again?
[05:43] <varunendra> yown, the fundamental of this approach is - You plug in > wait > check logs (whatever way). Like I said, wait for about 10 seconds, then run the commands (to check logs)
[05:43] <netlar> asandweech: I got Solaar loaded but just could not get it to work, worked perfectly in Ubuntu
[05:43] <wheatthin> if there's activity in the logs, then proceed to use something like digikam
[05:44] <yown> phunyguy: You think something stated unclearly, will be any clear a second time put exactly the same way?  seriously...
[05:44] <phunyguy> yown, open a SINGLE terminal.  type "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" without the quotes.  THEN plug in the camera.
[05:44] <netlar> asandweech: I have Radeon 7750 vga card
[05:44] <phunyguy> yown, if stuff scrolls, pastebin what scrolls.
[05:44] <phunyguy> if you do not undertand that, then I cannot help you.
[05:45] <ghostx562> :)
[05:45] <v1c3> hi, I want to share a folder on a ntfs harddisc via samba. The problem is that i cant change the file permissions on an mounted ntfs partition. what can I do? PLEASE HGELP
[05:46] <varunendra> yown, troubleshooting needs a cool and calm mind. Just ignore whatever annoys you, and move ahead whatever you find helpful. :)
[05:46] <v1c3> I want access to it from another computer with another user
[05:46] <netlar> asandweech: I guess I was under the impression it would be better to go to the source, Debian
[05:46] <phunyguy> v1c3: you need to mount if via fstab or regular mount command.  Mouting via nautilus will not allow you to change permissions IIRC.
[05:47] <phunyguy> !ntfs | v1c3
[05:47] <v1c3> phunyguy: its mounted via truecrypt :(
[05:48] <asandweech> netlar: well, at least you're running good on ubuntu now
[05:48] <netlar> Yes, I built a new pc, runs great on here.  The older one did not run too well
[05:49] <phunyguy> !ot | netlar, asandweech,
[05:49] <ghostx562> v1c3 !samba
[05:49] <phunyguy> !samba | v1c3
[05:49] <phunyguy> :)
[05:49] <ghostx562> thanks
[05:49] <phunyguy> y/w
[05:50] <v1c3> the problem is not symba, the problem is the way truecrypt mounts my partitions (without write rights)
[05:50] <netlar> asandweech: I still have problems with the bluetooth
[05:50] <ghostx562> ntfs-3g | v1c3
[05:51] <ghostx562> !ntfs-3g | v1c3
[05:51] <phunyguy> ghostx562: ok go easy now.
[05:51] <phunyguy> !botabuse
[05:51] <netlar> Just never finds any of my bluetooth devices
[05:52] <delinquentme> say for a rails production server ... is ubuntu better than centos?
[05:52] <phunyguy> !best | delinquentme
[05:52] <reisio> delinquentme: CentOS is a server distribution
[05:52] <delinquentme> currently I'm using it ... and i HATE it. but like so many people are using centos why?
[05:52] <phunyguy> reisio: so is ubuntu 9server)
[05:52] <phunyguy> (server) **
[05:52] <reisio> delinquentme: in general whatever distro you know best is going to be better, though
[05:52] <delinquentme> is it just "its been there" and its an old man problem?
[05:52] <reisio> phunyguy: mmhmm, but he said Ubuntu
[05:52] <delinquentme> yeah. totally.
[05:52] <phunyguy> reisio: you know better.
[05:52] <phunyguy> :)
[05:52] <reisio> phunyguy: than to pretend I can read minds? Yes I do
[05:53] <asandweech> I'm off, thanks for the help everyone
[05:53] <phunyguy> by asandweech
[05:53] <ghostx562> see ya
[05:53] <ghostx562> ubuntu work with uefi bios?
[05:54] <ghostx562> or needs legacy?
[05:54] <Vinnie_win> what is the name of the ubuntu program that is recommended to use for installing things?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | ghostx562
[05:54] <ghostx562> thanks lotuspsychje
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> ghostx562: np mate :p
[05:55] <ghostx562> vinnie, software center?
[05:55] <netlar> Is there an application for monitoring CPU temps?
[05:55] <reisio> Vinnie_win: what ghostx562 said
[05:55] <phunyguy> !lmsensors | netlar
[05:56] <reisio> Vinnie_win: or any of the commandline apps if you prefer
[05:57] <ghostx562> terminal also works if you know what you're looking for.
[05:57] <v1c3> ubottu: ghostx562: thx for the links. I overflew it and i know ntfs-3g. The question is why does truecrypt mount my partitions in a way to belong to the current user and how can I change that. I have write access with my curren users but I am not able to change the ownership or the permissions. On one side its clear: ntfs doesnt have these options like ext*. But if I remember right, I was able to share files on mounted truecrypt partitions. S
[05:57] <v1c3> o any idea what has changed?
[05:59] <ghostx562> v1c3, no options via truecrypt? maybe something you over looked?
[06:00] <phunyguy> v1c3:  because it is FUSE
[06:00] <phunyguy> (userspace, meaning the user owns everything, and permissions are set specifically)
[06:01] <reisio> v1c3: mounting yourself with a command rather than the truecrypt gui would be a start
[06:01] <v1c3> mounting myself?
[06:02] <v1c3> reisio: its only a server with no gui ;)
[06:02] <reisio> v1c3: did you mount it with a command?
[06:03] <v1c3> yes, truecrypt ETC ETC ETC
[06:03] <v1c3> http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/command-line-usage
[06:03] <v1c3> but there is no option :( unfortunately
[06:04] <v1c3> another idea is to start xbmc on my frontend with the same user ;)
[06:06] <jgcampbell300> so i dont get that ... file transfer with rsync is runing 8-10MBs a sec ... when i do it over network its faster
[06:06] <ghostx562> see you dudes/dudeettes later
[06:06] <jgcampbell300> that setup is usb drive to internal drive
[06:07] <reisio> jgcampbell300: maybe your usb hardware is quite old
[06:08] <jgcampbell300> hmm the drive is usb3 and the server i bleave is usb 2 maybe 3 ... just thought it was kina slow for local transfer ... maybe i should have pulled the drive out of it and put it in the server lol
[06:09] <v1c3> reisio: phunyguy ghost thank you
[06:10] <phunyguy> y/q
[06:10] <phunyguy> y/w***
[06:10] <ghoti> So ... I'm trying to pipe the output of `tail -f` through things.  If I pipe through just one thing, everything works as expected.  But once I add a second pipe, it seems as if output is being buffered.
[06:10] <phunyguy> jgcampbell300: depends on the files, if they are tiny, it will generally go slower
[06:10] <ghoti> For example, `tail -f foo.log | grep -v zamf` works, but `tail -f foo.log | grep -v zamf | grep services` does not.
[06:10] <reisio> ghoti: maybe services doesn't occur
[06:11] <ghoti> Is there a way to force this output to show up as it occurs, rather than when some buffer fills up?  I think this has to do with the piped application not knowing that it's on a tty.
[06:11] <reisio> ghoti: with tee
[06:11] <jgcampbell300> phunyguy, oh no theres nothing under 1G maybe a few txt files here and there
[06:11] <phunyguy> k
[06:11] <jgcampbell300> that is good to know tho
[06:12] <ghoti> resure: how would you suggest I tee with the double-grep example I mentioned?
[06:12] <jgcampbell300> phunyguy, oh and i love this rsync ... gona have to rember taht
[06:12] <ghoti> resure: wups, sry.
[06:12] <ghoti> reisio: ^^
[06:13] <ghoti> reisio: also, what "services" do you mean?
[06:13] <reisio> ghoti: tail -f foo.log | grep -v zamf | tee - | grep services
[06:13] <tannji> what command do I use to restart cups?
[06:13] <netlar> Is Ubuntu Tweak software safe to use?
[06:13] <reisio> ghoti: the command 'grep services' returns lines in which the string 'services' occur if it finds them, and nothing at all if it doesn't
[06:14] <reisio> netlar: safe?
[06:14] <Kartagis> tannji: sudo service cupsd restart
[06:14] <tannji> Kartagis,  thanks
[06:14] <netlar> reisio: just that it is not in the repository that I can see
[06:14] <ghoti> reisio: Ah, sry, I didn't realize you were referring to my command. :)
[06:14] <reisio> netlar: isn't it?
[06:14] <reisio> netlar: oh it's in universe
[06:15] <netlar> But it is ok to use then?
[06:15] <tannji> Kartagis,   cupsd: unrecognized service
[06:15] <ghoti> reisio: see, I think the problem is that `grep -v zamf` doesn't know it's on a tty, so it buffers its output.  So the data going into `tee -` still gets buffered.
[06:16] <Kartagis> tannji: sorry cups, not cupsd
[06:16] <ghoti> reisio: my goal here is to match lines like '/services/foo' and '/services/bar' but not '/services/zamf'.
[06:17] <rslarson> general networking question
[06:17] <rslarson> would MTU cause my ping times to triple?
[06:17] <rslarson> I went from the default MTU to MTU=1472
[06:19] <reisio> ghoti: what's the -v zamf for?
[06:19] <Ben64> rslarson: try asking #networking
[06:19] <rslarson> ok thanks
[06:19] <ghoti> reisio: `grep -v` negates the search.  My goal is to get all lines with 'services' *except* the ones with 'zamf'.
[06:19] <ghoti> reisio: there is no string negation in regex.
[06:20] <reisio> sure there is
[06:20] <casual_llama> Hi, I have a problem with Ubuntu ignoring some of my power settings. Ubuntu sometimes suspends while plugged in even though I've chosen "don't suspend."
[06:20] <ghoti> no, I'm afraid not.
[06:20] <reisio> of course there is
[06:20] <ghoti> There is class negation, i.e. [^a-c], but nothing like foo(^bar)baz.
[06:21] <ghoti> At least, not in ERE.  You could do it in preg, of course.  But I'm not using preg.
[06:21] <reisio> ghoti: anyways, check out http://www.google.com/search?q=follow%20grep
[06:21] <somsip> ghoti: grep 'services' file | grep -v 'zamf'
[06:22] <iceroot> there is also egrep
[06:22] <ghoti> somsip: That would work for a file, sure, but this is output from `tail -F file`.
[06:22] <iceroot> ghoti: just pipe the output to grep
[06:22] <somsip> ghoti: tail -F file | grep 'services' | grep -v 'zamf'
[06:22] <iceroot> command | grep -v string
[06:23] <reisio> late to the party
[06:23] <somsip> reisio: am I missing something obvious?
[06:23] <ghoti> Ah - the solution I needed was the --line-buffered option for grep.
[06:24] <reisio> gj
[06:24] <ghoti> somsip: yes - without the --line-buffered option, the grep whose output is piped does not get line buffered.  tail -f is always line buffered.
[06:25] <ghoti> somsip: without line buffering, one may wait a *long* time to see any output.
[06:25] <somsip> ghoti: ok
[06:30] <jgcampbell300> so heres a twist ... if i have an open ssh session on one client computer is there a way to take that connection over from another client ... say ssh running on my desktop and i want to move that session to my notebook ... is that possalbe ?
[06:31] <somsip> jgcampbell300: screen, tmux...something liek that will do it
[06:31] <somsip> jgcampbell300: but you need to run it before trying to take over the session. Do you need to take over an existing session?
[06:31] <jgcampbell300> even if the session is already in progress on the desktop ?
[06:31] <jgcampbell300> somsip, yes
[06:32] <somsip> jgcampbell300: there is a non-repo program that can take over an existing session and I can never remember what ot's called. It's on github...
[06:32] <jgcampbell300> somsip, ok thanks
[06:35] <ghoti> jgcampbell300: FreeBSD has a "watch" command that lets you interact with an existing tty.  Try searching for 'ttysnoop' or 'ttyrpld' for equivalent functionality.
[06:36] <jgcampbell300> ghoti, ahh nice thanks
[06:36] <ghoti> jgcampbell300: and in the future, do run everything inside GNU Screen or tmux.
[06:36] <somsip> jgcampbell300: got it - reptyr. You might have to read around it more though. And some other ideas on the same page here: http://serverfault.com/questions/24425/can-i-nohup-screen-an-already-started-process
[06:36] <jgcampbell300> ya ... screen is nice
[06:37] <somsip> jgcampbell300: so you can start screen, get the process attached to it via reptyr, then SSH in from elsewhere and join the screen session. I guess...
[06:38] <jgcampbell300> somsip, ya that is neet app
[06:38] <foo357> Hello, I'm having some problems with cron/anacron. I want to run daily tasks at midnight and cron daily does trigger at that time, but somehow anacron waits 6 hours until cron daily starts. Here's a log output: http://pastebin.com/ymnCFKFw
[06:38] <ghoti> somsip: ooh, reptyr looks cool.  I'm going to play with it.  :)
[06:38] <somsip> glad it might be useful :)
[06:43] <hd5770> how do i mointer my system temps
[06:43] <somsip> !lm-sensors | hd5770
[06:43] <hd5770> sweet
[06:45] <motaka2> I have a very strange problem. I delete a fie in ubuntu. but yet when I call that fil using my local apache it seems it being rund somehow, and even give me errors of not finding classes. can anyone help me?
[06:45] <greyhatpython> Hi friends i have tested Ubuntu by Upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04 and fresh install of 13.04 in another system. Now what i feel is fresh install is faster than upgrade. But how to save my installed apps during fresh install??
[06:46] <cfhowlett> greyhatpython, fresh install is just that.  you'll need to reinstall the apps BUT if you have a /home that is NOT in the  / system and you don't format that /home, your data is saved ...
[06:47] <greyhatpython> ok data is saved i agree what about my installed apps?
[06:47] <Endafy> since Ubuntu is using apparmor can someone (with a ton of Linux experience) please tell me if SELinux has any NSA spyware to worry about like the Winodws NSA security keys do?
[06:47] <Endafy> google is bringing up nothing
[06:47] <cfhowlett> greyhatpython, fresh install means the filesystem if formatted... reinstall the apps
[06:48] <greyhatpython> So i need to re-install the apps without any way of backup?
[06:48] <somsip> cfhowlett: I'm trying to remember the dpkg --get-selections...something...something that dumps everything out. Any idea?
[06:48] <linuxlite> how do i get a video player ? I got a VLC media playe but not video plater
[06:48] <OerHeks> greyhatpython, " dpkg --get-selections > package_list "  to get the list of installed apps, and "cat package_list | sudo dpkg --set-selections && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade  " to install that list again
[06:48] <cfhowlett> somsip, there was a sweet script to do that ... lemme look
[06:49] <somsip> cfhowlett: OerHeks has it. It was that simple :)
[06:49] <Es0teric> how do i check for the current directory?
[06:49] <cfhowlett> !cookie|OerHeks,
[06:49] <somsip> hehe
[06:49] <somsip> greyhatpython: did you get that from OerHeks?
[06:49] <tannji> Es0teric,  pwd
[06:49] <somsip> greyhatpython: ignore me - I can see he addressd it to you...
[06:50] <Es0teric> tannji that is very tricky in vagrant...
[06:50] <braxtonplaxco> greyhatpython, you could always use dpkg --get-selections to see all installed software then pipe it into a file and then when you get your new system installed you could (after removing all of the 'installed's) use it as a reference to to what all you had installed and write a script to re install it. :)
[06:50] <greyhatpython> somsip i understand....can anyone expllain what's happening?
 got it!
[06:51] <tannji> Es0teric,   maybe I misunderstood, but you said how to check current directory...  in ubuntu terminal?
[06:51] <greyhatpython> What you all saying is just to remember the installed apps not what i am asking!!!!
[06:51] <Es0teric> yes... i am running ubuntu on vagrant
[06:51] <Es0teric> tannji
[06:52] <tannji> Es0teric,   lol, sorry, in ubuntu you do it that way, no idea what vagrant is
[06:52] <greyhatpython> I don't want to re-download my apps but i want to do fresh install of ubuntu!
[06:52] <Es0teric> tannji yeah i know... it works the same way its just that it was confusing me
[06:52] <Es0teric> it still is but i'll manage somehow
[06:52] <cfhowlett> greyhatpython, a fresh install means you WILL have to reinstall the apps
[06:52] <greyhatpython> So upgrade means getting slow?
[06:53] <greyhatpython> How you guys are using Ubuntu?
[06:53] <cfhowlett> greyhatpython, eh?  not following the logic there ...
[06:53] <tannji> greyhatpython,  if you reinstall, it will need new mount points and such....  kinda like MS windows, you cant reinstall windows without reinstalling all programs
[06:53] <yown> With that camera, I tried all ports, monitored syslog, dmesg.... no activity after all
[06:54] <varunendra> ^^ which I suspect is an indication of something wrong at hardware level.. ideas?
[06:55] <yown> Or perhaps I just need the right driver or something?
[06:55] <SDIS> ;p
[06:55] <hd5770> i cant find ksensors ?
[06:55] <aiten_44> yown: should still show up as a usb device in dmesg tho
[06:55] <hd5770> nor how to make it auto boot :(
[06:56] <varunendra> yown, what motherboard is it by the way? Have you enabled "legacy mode" for USB in it?
[06:56] <braxtonplaxco> greyhatpyton, I understand how you feel( I love a fresh install too but hate the set up) as they've said there's really no good way to get around the redownloading apps, but what I usually do on a new install is have a script written to do all of the installing and tweaking on the system that I normally do so that every new reinstall is not a big deal. Just run the script and walk away and then when I come back the system is just like I had it befor
[06:56] <qdb> there was cache directory in ff profile folder in linux , but now i do not see it . where is it ?
[06:56] <varunendra> whoa braxtonplaxco I thought i was the only novelist in the room ;)
[06:56] <tannji> can someone help me diagnose a printer install?  as far as I can tell its done "correctly"  got the driver and wrapper installed, ubuntu can see it, but test print hangs waiting for printer to be ready
[06:57] <sjuxax> I'm trying to install grub2 from the Ubuntu LiveCD. grub-mkconfig complains that "grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of /cow". Linux Mint does the same thing now. It's apparently difficult/annoying to circumvent this error. I would like to have a grub config generated, so any help on this matter would be appreciated.
[06:57] <braxtonplaxco> varunengra, I guess i got a little carried away for irc lol
[06:57] <tim-ct> hi all  is sysconfig/iptables created in a default install
[06:57] <varunendra> lol :D
[06:58] <hd5770> ackage ksensors is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:58] <hd5770> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:58] <hd5770> is only available from another source
[06:58] <greyhatpython>  but i can't backup those apps like windows right?
[06:58] <hd5770> how do i get it ?
[06:58] <qdb> "Current FF 21 seems to use ~/.cache/mozilla/firefox/xxx/Cache on Linux. THAT'S FINE !" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345070
[06:58] <wilee-nilee> braxtonplaxco, A rsinstall same release is easy to save the installs and reload to the new one, key is having the same sources and keys saved.
[06:58] <wilee-nilee> with dpkg
[06:59] <hd5770> ??
[06:59] <yown> aiten_44: dmesg showed no activity with removing or adding usb mouse or usb flash drive, syslog showed these things, but not the camera
[06:59] <varunendra> greyhatpython, what are you after?
[06:59] <braxtonplaxco> wilee-nilee, i think he was upgrading to a new release though if I understood right
[06:59] <greyhatpython> ya you are right
[07:00] <wilee-nilee> braxtonplaxco, Yeah thats what it seemed like, that is a bit harder.
[07:00] <greyhatpython> upgrade is slow and new is new...
[07:00] <aiten_44> yown: are you using a usb hub and did you try different usb ports
[07:00] <yown> varunendra: I would need to look up my original order on newegg, or is there a way to check motherboard type in ubuntu? As far as lagacy mode, I don't remember what my cmos settings are, I would need to check
[07:00] <greyhatpython> i hate downloading my apps again and again for every update ubuntu throws!
[07:00] <cfhowlett> !LTS|greyhatpython,
[07:01] <yown> aiten_44: No, just the ports that came with the motherboard, and I tried all 9
[07:01] <mogaj> Hi i am having problem in opening http websites in all browsers on Ubuntu 12.04 machine ... but those websites are opening in other windows sytems connected to same network ... can some one assist
[07:01] <greyhatpython> What does support means?
[07:01] <greyhatpython> You mean using LTS solve my issue?
[07:01] <cfhowlett> greyhatpython, means that version is supported and live ... on LTS for 5 years
[07:01] <OerHeks> greyhatpython, you can save all your debs, but that could lead to the same slow system as you have now.
[07:01] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, You say update but do you mean a distro upgrade?
[07:01] <varunendra> yown, it should be easier than what you just tried though ;)
[07:01] <greyhatpython> ya now you guys all are coming to my way now!
[07:01] <braxtonplaxco> grayhatpython, is it just slow internet that makes you not like it so much
[07:02] <cfhowlett> greyhatpython, unless you're a developer, do you really NEED to absolutely have the latest ubuntu version?
[07:02] <yown> varunendra: What would be?
[07:02] <greyhatpython> No not the slow internet but isn't there a way to backup and re-install the apps?
[07:02] <varunendra> yown, just go into BIOS and make sure the Legacy mode (or something similar to that effect) is enabled for the USB.
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[07:03] <braxtonplaxco> greyhatpython, I do believe so but I think it only works if your staying with the same release.
[07:03] <varunendra> yown, but I seriously doubt that the problem is outside the computer. Maybe bad cable, or bad port (on camera) or just an incorrect procedure..
[07:03] <yown> varunendra: I want it on, or off?
[07:03] <tannji> greyhatpython,  you referred to backing up apps in windows....  but you would still have to reinstall all of them,  the only practical thing to back up would be the app's settings, or config files... and same in ubuntu
[07:03] <varunendra> yown, you want it enabled (on)
[07:03] <aiten_44> greyhatpython: we have told you that writing a script and redownloading is the way to go
[07:04] <greyhatpython> Well i won't get all the apps binary right?
[07:04] <tannji> greyhatpython,  how did you do it in windows?
[07:04] <yown> varunendra: it sounds like you said two opposing things in one message. You don't think the problem is outside my computer, but you think it might be the cable or port on the camera, which would be outside my PC...
[07:05] <greyhatpython> I don't like windows though i re-install the apps using the binary packages
[07:05] <greyhatpython> backup the setup files and re-install in offline
[07:05] <varunendra> yown, my mistake. I'm not a native English speaker. I should have said "I suspect... " not doubt.
[07:05] <bewest> any "ultrabook" recommendations?
[07:05] <OerHeks> !backup
[07:06] <greyhatpython> is there anyway to do it in ubuntu? Is the Synaptic Offline works for all apps?
[07:06] <tannji> greyhatpython,  so the closest thing in ubuntu would be to run the script like they told you...  or save all downloaded apps in external folder as packages, but you also have to worry about updates to the apps
[07:07] <greyhatpython> ok tell how you all using ubuntu? By LTS or just Upgrade?
[07:07] <yown> varunendra: Do you still want to know what motherboard I use? and if so, is there a way to check in ubuntu?
[07:07] <varunendra> greyhatpython, aptoncd is a perfect tool to backup and re-install, but it only works for the same version of Ubuntu. Version change > aptoncd failed !!
[07:07] <greyhatpython> Upgrade also means taking lot of diskspace isn't it? And it will goes on increasing isn't it?
[07:08] <tannji> greyhatpython,  you had to reinstall in windows, and also in ubuntu...  I don't see what the difference is that your trying to find.
[07:08] <braxtonplaxco> greyhatpython, you could manually download them from packages.ubuntu.com and then save them on a drive then install them from there... but still way to much hassel (script is the answer)
[07:08] <OerHeks> !offline
[07:08] <varunendra> yown, I was just curious. I don't think it is going to make any difference. For make, sometimes we can get a rough idea in "System Monitor" > System tab.
[07:08] <yown> greyhatpython: I think you can keep a backup of previous version, just incase. I was told fresh installing is alot quicker then upgrading, except upgrading you have to reinstall everything else
[07:08] <mogaj> Hi i am having problem in opening http websites in all browsers on Ubuntu 12.04 machine ... but those websites are opening in other windows sytems connected to same network ... can some one assist
[07:09] <mogaj> I am able to open all https websites but not http websites ^
[07:09] <cfhowlett> mogaj, use a different browser.  If they still jam up, see your DNS server settings
[07:10] <greyhatpython> ok assume i don't have internet and i want to install example Stellarium to that offline machine. How?
[07:10] <gordonjcp> mogaj: how are you connected to the internet?  Is there some kind of proxy in the way?
[07:10] <yown> varunendra: That only tells me how much ram I have, how many cores and their speeds, and them being intel
[07:10] <mogaj> cfhowlett: i checked in all browsers the issue persists in all of them
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[07:10] <mogaj> gordonjcp: through wifi
[07:11] <Holger> mogaj: i think it's a dns problem
[07:11] <mogaj> Holger: how can i fix it ?
[07:11] <yown> greyhatpython: If you have a usb flash drive, better to install ubuntu from that then waste a cd or dvd disk
[07:12] <yown> These updates come regularly after all
[07:12] <greyhatpython> I know that yown.... i am talking about apps backup
[07:12] <varunendra> greyhatpython, the best way is to run "apt-get install --print-uris aptoncd" ... follow the last lines that give you the exact URIs of the packages needed to be downloaded. Same can be done with any package.
[07:12] <Holger> mogaj: lock at your network and compare with other client
[07:12] <greyhatpython> ok thank you all for the info.......!!!!
[07:13] <varunendra> greyhatpython, did someone tell you about "dpkg --get-selections > list.txt" trick??
[07:13] <yown> varunendra: So is that to get a list of currently installed programs?
[07:13] <greyhatpython> ya it will  save the file list in a file!
[07:13] <varunendra> yep, just list, not the packages though :(
[07:14] <varunendra> But very useful if you're planning to install the same apps on a different version.
[07:14] <yown> and will autodownload when you put the file into the new install?
[07:15] <gordonjcp> yown: you get the list of packages that you require, stick them on some removable media, and transfer them across to the not-connected machine that way
[07:15] <varunendra> yown, that's actually tricky. You can use the same list with "sudo dpkg --set-selections < list.txt" to autodownload again.
[07:16] <varunendra> but I have never tried that myself, so can't say if I'm missing something (that is a recommended way though)
[07:17] <yown> varunendra: Somewhere in that command is where the list.txt file is?
[07:18] <wilee-nilee> after set selections you run sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[07:19] <varunendra> yown, yes, the "<" marks what is to be read (with path if necessary)
[07:19] <varunendra> wilee-nilee seems to have better experience with it :)
[07:21] <wilee-nilee> barely I just found it on the web awhile back and use it regularly when applicable
[07:21] <yown> varunendra: Please give me those commands again, with a random path/directory in both (same path) for reference
[07:23] <OerHeks> yown, without a path, the file is in your /home/ at the same level as /Documents /Pictures and such
[07:23] <varunendra> yown, here you go - For creation of the list --> "dpkg --get-selections > ~/Desktop/list.txt" (will create the list on your desktop)
[07:24] <varunendra> For using the list (assuming you have copied it on your new desktop) --> "sudo dpkg --set-selections < ~/Desktop/list.txt"
[07:24] <varunendra> After that, what needs to be done is better told by wilee-nilee :P
[07:24] <snufft> hey guys
[07:25] <snufft> stupid noob question. what do you do for motherboard drivers? I don't think I've ever seen a Linux version listed on a  motherboard website before?
[07:25] <varunendra> apparently, just "sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade" (no specific path is needed) yown
[07:26] <OerHeks> snufft, no need for them, all included in the Kernel
[07:26] <varunendra> snufft, except if it has some fancy video chip on it, for which you'll need suitable driver separately.
[07:26] <snufft> OerHeks, oh, awesome! :D once I've got gfx sorted, that should be about it then, yeah? is there a special SSD setup needed for ubuntu?
[07:27] <snufft> varunendra, yeah, i'm download catalyst now
[07:27] <mogaj> solved the issue of not able to open http websites by commenting dnsmasq in  /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[07:27] <bordism> Hi all
[07:27] <cfhowlett> mogaj, so it was a DNS issue?
[07:27] <yown> no quotation marks, right? and what do you mean no specific path is needed varunendra ?
[07:27] <snufft> my end goal is to be able to game on linux via pol/wine/steam and ditch windows altogether...
[07:27] <OerHeks> snufft, use the driver menu for gfx cards, so you will get updates
[07:27] <bordism> I am having problems trying to copy a file to USB
[07:27] <bordism> I get the following error:
[07:27] <bordism> "Error while copying “snowleopard_10a432_userdvd.dmg”.
[07:27] <bordism> There was an error copying the file into /media/ae/CE63-83E0.
[07:27] <varunendra> yown, right, no quote marks. :)
[07:27] <bordism> Error splicing file: File too large"
[07:28] <mogaj> cfhowlett: yes it seems to be ... this was fix i found while searching in google
[07:28] <bordism> The file is only 6.6gb
[07:28] <OerHeks> bordism, how did you format that usb, fat32?
[07:28] <bordism> OerHeks: yes
[07:28] <bordism> I need my macbook to be able to read it
[07:28] <varunendra> by specific path I meant that that particular command (last one) didn't need a path. It was independent, yown
[07:28] <cfhowlett> bordism, and your usb size?
[07:28] <OerHeks> bordism, fat32 has a file size restriction of 4 gb
[07:28] <bordism> My usb is 16gb
[07:28] <bordism> Oh
[07:28] <OerHeks> use ntfs
[07:29] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, you're just on fire today!
[07:29] <bordism> Oh, but can OSX 10.7 read ntfs?
[07:29] <bordism> I want to downgrade my macbook to OSX 10.6
[07:29] <cfhowlett> !ot|bordism,
[07:30] <OerHeks> bordism, it can, but i think you really want an installable dmg on your usb device?
[07:30] <snufft> OerHeks, do you mean in the Additional Drivers section of the Software & Updates pane?
[07:30] <OerHeks> snufft, correct
[07:30] <bordism> OerHeks: right, but usually I just copy the file onto the macbook, then use the device utility thing to "restore" the dmg file onto the usb
[07:30] <snufft> OerHeks, awesome, thanks :)
[07:30] <auronandace> bordism: this has nothing to do with ubuntu
[07:30] <fendie> hi, i'm new in ubuntu.. it's fun ^_^
[07:30] <bordism> sorry
[07:31] <OerHeks> bordism, then go ahead with ntfs
[07:31] <mladoux> *yawn*
[07:31] <bordism> Ok, thanks :)
[07:31] <bordism> On another note
[07:31] <bordism> Is there any way to complete wipe mac osx and have only Ubuntu?
[07:31] <bordism> that would be preferable to me
[07:31] <cfhowlett> !mac|bordism,
[07:31] <mladoux> I got one more reboot in me, customizing is fun.
[07:31] <bordism> Tx
[07:32] <cfhowlett> bordism, best of luck
[07:32] <bordism> thanks all
[07:33] <fendie> how to make a new channel? what is the command? please help
[07:33] <mladoux> fendie: /join #newchannel
[07:33] <bordism> "/join #asdasd"
[07:33] <auronandace> fendie: /join #nameofchannel
[07:33] <mladoux> replace newchannel with your desired channel name
[07:33] <mladoux> don't forget the #
[07:33] <fendie> thankyou verymuch
[07:33] <fendie> yes
[07:33] <fendie> :)
[07:34] <fendie> thanks peoples
[07:34] <auronandace> fendie: more irc help can be found at #freenode
[07:34] <mladoux> not that I mind giving it ( can't speak for the others )
[07:35] <fendie> how to make the channel Always On if I logged out ?
[07:35] <auronandace> fendie: ask in #freenode
[07:36] <fendie> okay... thanks...
[07:36] <jgcampbell300> what version of ubuntu would you guys recommend for an install on p4 3G 1Mcache 4G ram crap video card small sata HD 40g ... maybe 80G ?
[07:37] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, xubuntu and lubuntu are optimized for low spec/older machines such as that
[07:37] <auronandace> !lubuntu | jgcampbell300
[07:37] <jgcampbell300> I mostly run terminals for working on servers ... firefox with a ton of tabs open
[07:37] <yown> varunendra: What did you mean by incorrect procedure?
[07:37] <Ben64> jgcampbell300: i would do xubuntu 12.04, it's good till 2017
[07:37] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, what Ben64 said ....
[07:38] <jgcampbell300> two for X and one for L ... hmm whats the big diffrence in the two ... anyone got a link to a chart or something
[07:38] <Ben64> lubuntu 12.04 for some reason isn't LTS
[07:38] <yown> jgcampbell300: I believe there are even lighter weight linux distros if you look outside of ubuntu, not that such would probably be recommended. Though it depends on your needs and base knowledge of linux etc
[07:39] <auronandace> jgcampbell300: xfce vs lxde (lxde is arguably lighter)
[07:39] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, I'm on ubuntustudio which uses xubuntu as it's core ....
[07:39] <yown> well xfce is more current
[07:39] <cfhowlett> and I ONLY do LTS
[07:39] <jgcampbell300> yown,  i gota stay with ubuntu base ... dont knwo enouf about the others
[07:39] <Ben64> theres really not any difference under the hood between xfce, lxde, unity, kde, etc, etc
[07:40] <jgcampbell300> hmm im using stuido right now on my big notebook ... i seem to runinto alot of bugs
[07:40] <yown> jgcampbell300: sounds good.  and my semi-uneducated guess is that xfce will do good for you. I plan to go xfce myself, and my system is plenty powerful
[07:40] <Ben64> i'm using gnome-fallback on here, and this is a 6core cpu, 8gb ram, and a gtx560ti
[07:40] <jgcampbell300> i do like the gui tho ... guess i could install xubuntu and put xfce on it
[07:41] <Ben64> xubuntu is xfce :|
[07:41] <jgcampbell300> oh ok
[07:41] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, errr ,xubuntu already HAS xfce ...
[07:41] <yown> I was about to say :p
[07:41] <Ben64> xubuntu = ubuntu with xfce, lubuntu = ubuntu with lxde, ubuntu = ubuntu with unity (used to be gnome)
[07:42] <jgcampbell300> this makes me wonder ... i been haveing tons of problems with studio ... i wonder if its the packages or the gui been bugging out on me
[07:42] <jgcampbell300> oh i miss gnome
[07:42] <Ben64> might be because of notebook
[07:42] <Ben64> theres a lot of weird hardware on some notebooks that isn't supported very well
[07:42] <yown> unity is a major resource hog from my understanding (and I don't like it) sounds like lubuntu is not quit keeping up, xfce is current and pretty streamline
[07:42] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, I'd suspect the notebook ...
[07:43] <jgcampbell300> well strangely enough the note book has held up better ... my movie box has crashed and crashed ... just put xbnc on it
[07:43] <yown> I mean xubuntu
[07:43] <varunendra> yown, sorry, moved away from the laptop. By incorrect procedure I mean possible steps to connect the camera (mentioned in its manual). For example, we had a sony handycam which showed a specific option in its menu only when connected to PC. We needed to do something in it to be able to connect it (was something like bluetooth pairing - one time setting)
[07:43] <jgcampbell300> ya i have ran into hardware issues ... this one has pretty common commponents in it
[07:44] <jgcampbell300> so Xubuntu it is ... justs got a new tv so figgured i would put a little workstation togather by my recliner with the old tv lol
[07:44] <yown> jgcampbell300: There might be a more streamline fork of ubuntu? Not that I know of it
[07:44] <jgcampbell300> oh hey xubuntu .... can it handel vpn and remote tools
[07:44] <yown> and if there is, it probably isnt keeping current
[07:45] <hoyang> kk
[07:45] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, yes it does
[07:45] <yown> I couldn't tell you specifically, but since it keeps current, it should have just about everything under the hood that ubuntu has, only a different DE sitting on top, and a few other minor changes with prepackaged software
[07:45] <jgcampbell300> cool ... i do alot of remotes to windows clients for my clients ...
[07:46] <yown> DE=desktop environment, xfce, gnome etc
[07:46] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, most remote is under the hood, differences sprout from the UI and those are fungible
[07:47] <jgcampbell300> cfhowlett, so you think ill have troubles for remoting ?
[07:47] <yown> jgcampbell300: And you could go xubuntu, or any ubuntu base, and simply pock around for other DEs, i've encounted a few
[07:47] <yown> *poke
[07:47] <yown> Maybe there is one more streamline then xfce, if you find it isnt fast enough
[07:47] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, doubt you'll have trouble.  xubuntu default remote manager is "gigolo".  Never used it.
[07:47] <Technodrome> what does apt-get install linux-virtual bring in?
[07:48] <Technodrome> what exactly is it installing?
[07:48] <Ben64> !info linux-virtual
[07:48] <jgcampbell300> i have had the best luck with Remmina for rdp
[07:48] <yown> It does what now?
[07:48] <mladoux> yay, much better ( couldn't deal with unity, too slow on this computer )
[07:49] <cfhowlett> jgcampbell300, that pacakge is available to xubuntu in the main repo
[07:49] <jgcampbell300> cool ... guess ill go setup some hard ware
[07:49] <jgcampbell300> ahh crap ... its 32 bit ... dumb question comeing up ... linux 32 bit is it capped at 3g ?
[07:50] <jgcampbell300> ram that is
[07:50] <Ben64> shouldn't be
[07:50] <auronandace> !pae | jgcampbell300
[07:50] <Ben64> pretty sure pae is the only one available now
[07:51] <jgcampbell300> hmm pae is that a flavor i can get in xubuntu or is it a full distro
[07:51] <auronandace> jgcampbell300: pae is likely default
[07:52] <yown> Why use 32bit?
[07:52] <auronandace> yown: he has a pentium4 cpu
[07:52] <jgcampbell300> ahh ... welll ill quit bugging you ugys and go do some reading .... im installing on a p4 ... have a ton of them that just went off line
[07:52] <yown> ouch
[07:52] <jgcampbell300> ya all my duel and quad cores just went out on location ... looking for another deal on quad cores ... gona need 100 or so more
[07:53] <yown> well, you can get more then 3.2gb on a pentium4?
[07:53] <jgcampbell300> aye
[07:53] <iceroot> yown: with PAE you can use more then 4gb on 32bit cpus
[07:53] <aninomus|nyubi> test
[07:53] <yown> well and even if you can, Do you want to, wouldn't the ram be bottlenecked by the motherboard and cpu etc?
[07:54] <auronandace> !test | aninomus|nyubi
[07:54] <jgcampbell300> yown, dont know really ... i just have a ton of p4s laying around with 1g sticks in them
[07:55] <jgcampbell300> i normaly dont handle any hardware so im not that good with
[07:55] <aninomus|nyubi> auronandace: ubottu: im soryy
[07:55] <jgcampbell300> partner is aces with it so i stay to software
[07:56] <gordonjcp> jgcampbell300: why are you using PAE?
[07:56] <gordonjcp> just use 64-bit
[07:56] <jgcampbell300> p4
[07:56] <aninomus|nyubi> sori mayori
[07:56] <auronandace> gordonjcp: his pentium 4 cpu doesn't support 64bit
[07:56] <SoP> Hi guys, i have a few questions about partitioning
[07:56] <jgcampbell300> building junk for the house out of spare stuff we pulled offline from our clients
[07:56] <gordonjcp> auronandace: o_O
[07:56] <gordonjcp> jgcampbell300: are you sure?
[07:57] <jgcampbell300> might as well ... its not good for much more than playing with now lol
[07:57] <SoP> possibly just conventions I'm not familiar with, but well
[07:57] <yown> well, you could build some ancient systems and sell em
[07:57] <yown> You wouldnt get alot, but I am sure there are a few technophobs who only care if its fast enough to browse etc
[07:58] <jgcampbell300> yown, ya i guess i could load some systems just for surfing the web
[07:58] <dboyyy> mkay
[07:58] <SoP> do you only need to set a bootable flag to your /boot partition?
[07:58] <jgcampbell300> ya perfict old person or porn surfer lol
[07:58] <varunendra> SoP, yes
[07:59] <chunkyhead> how to mount a pendrive using cli
[07:59] <auronandace> !mount | chunkyhead
[07:59] <yown> I've met people with the logic that a PC is a PC, and are willing to pay outragiously close to new PC prices, for some pretty dates equipment, as long as its  at least browser capable, a small hurdle at that
[08:00] <SoP> I'm going to buy an ssd tomorrow, I know I should run fstrim -v on all ssd partitions regularly, but is there anything else i should look out for?
[08:00] <SoP> perhaps mount those partitions with noatime flag?
[08:00] <yown> SoP Why should you be running that regularly and what does it do?
[08:01] <yown> I don't think there should be anything you need to be regularly running on SSD partitions
[08:01] <jgcampbell300> well thanks for the conversation , im gona go grab some hardware and load xubuntu
[08:01] <aiten_44> yown: you want fstrim on a ssd
[08:02] <yown> Well shouldn't you be able to set this fstrim up and never have to mess with it again?
[08:02] <aiten_44> yown: you set it up as a cron job and let it run
[08:02] <yown> What is a cron job?
[08:03] <SoP> cron is some kind of Timic er daemon, am i right?,
[08:03] <auronandace> !cron | yown
[08:03] <SoP> *timer
[08:04] <we6jbo> Is there a way to sign python .py code so that the person executing the code knows it came from a certain person?
[08:04] <aiten_44> yown: I created a script and put it in /etc/cron.hourly all the script says is fstrim -v /
[08:05] <we6jbo> disregard my question, i'm asking it in the python channel.
[08:05] <SoP> hourly? if i reboot everyday, shouldn't it siffice to run it at startup?
[08:06] <aiten_44> SoP: should be fine I just put in hourly but you could put it in daily doesn't matter when you reboot it will automatically do it
[08:06] <SoP> (sorry for slow responses and errors, I'm on my phone)
[08:06] <SoP> Got it, thanks
[08:06] <aiten_44> np
[08:06] <yown> So it doesn't do this thing every hour then?
[08:07] <aiten_44> yown: in hourly it will in daily it only does it once per day
[08:07] <yown> What is it doing at that time?
[08:08] <SoP> Now what partitions should i put on the ssd? i still have a hdd, so perhaps only /tmp, /home and swap on the hard drive?
[08:09] <aiten_44> yown: it discards unused blocks on the filesystem
[08:10] <aiten_44> SoP: Newer ssd's are better than the older ones I have my entire fs on a ssd but if your worried you could put the partitions  you mentioned on a hd
[08:10] <yown> aiten_44: Don't most SSD come with trim or something else trim like already built into the hardware?
[08:10] <aiten_44> yown: some do
[08:10] <theahindle> Hi - my cron jobs don't seem to be running - I've added a cronjob in /etc/cron.d/wowza with the content: '45 *    * * *   root    /usr/bin/find /wowza/logs/* -mtime +1 -exec rm {} \;' but it never gets ran and the disk space fills up
[08:10] <theahindle> I should probably set it up to use logrotate but don't atm - any reason why it wouldn't run?
[08:11] <Spec-Chum> SoP: I've had my F80 SSD for about 3 years now and I've got all partitions except swap on it
[08:11] <yown> aiten_44: And if they do, then the trim command thing is unnecessary?
[08:11] <Spec-Chum> really, don't worry about it
[08:11] <SoP> aiten_44: well I still have this hdd and a slot in my laptop, so i can keep using it
[08:11] <yown> Spec-Chum: I heard swap is the first and most important thing to put on your SSD
[08:12] <Spec-Chum> yown: why?  I don't think my swap ever gets used
[08:12] <ichoyjx> why
[08:12] <Spec-Chum> well, maybe if you've not got much RAM
[08:12] <aiten_44> SoP: if you have it use it lol
[08:12] <ichoyjx> i have 4G ram, so I just set 600MB for swap
[08:13] <yown> Spec-Chum: Swap is used all the time, even with a good amount of ram. And swap requires very little space, and makes one of the biggest difference in speed
[08:13] <SoP> Spec-Chum: I don't really worry about it breaking, but I'm trying to use it as efficient as i can
[08:13] <aiten_44> yown: ssd's are much faster than an hdd and use less ram
[08:13] <aiten_44> swap i mean not ram lol
[08:13] <ichoyjx> yeah
[08:13] <ichoyjx> swap for prefetch??
[08:14] <gordonjcp> if you don't buy a cheap crappy SSD it'll probably last as long as a mechanical hard disk
[08:14] <aiten_44> actually the newer ones claim longer lifespan than hdds
[08:14] <yown> aiten_44: Your talking about swap on SSD like I was, right? Saying if I put swap on the SSD things will use less regular memory?
[08:14] <netlar> When I installed Ubuntu, it gave me 15.94 GB of swap, is that too much?
[08:14] <yown> I heard that plenty have a short life
[08:15] <yown> yeah, but if your HDD is huge
[08:15] <yown> maybe you wont miss it
[08:15] <Spec-Chum> yown: OK, but that's certainly not my experience (usage wise)
[08:15] <Spec-Chum> Partition: ID: / size 74G used 7.2G (11%) fs ext4 ID: swap-1 size 4.29GB used 0.00GB (0%) fs swap
[08:15] <Spec-Chum> used 0.0Gb
[08:15] <Spec-Chum> almost always like that, some times a couple of Mb
[08:16] <yown> You might make your swap partition as big as your total ram, unless your at the extremes with ram size
[08:16] <aiten_44> yown: I could probably get away without using any swap on my computer and not notice a differnce ssds are quick
[08:16] <yown> Swap is especially important I think in putting your system to sleep, if that is something you do
[08:17] <SoP> putting your system to sleep/hibernate causes a tonload of write operations
[08:17] <gordonjcp> yown: people still use suspend-to-disk?
[08:17] <Spec-Chum> yown: correct, hibernate saves to swap
[08:17] <Spec-Chum> but I don't hibernate
[08:17] <netlar> So should I make my swap smaller?
[08:18] <yown> aiten_44:  You mean to say that you think running OS off SSD means using less swap and ram?
[08:18] <aiten_44> yown: not ram but swap yes
[08:19] <yown> aiten_44: I don't see the difference, swap is just a extension of your ram
[08:19] <aiten_44> yown: with hdds the closer you put your swap the inside of the disk the faster speeds got with ssd there is no disk and is equally fast no matter where your data is stored
[08:19] <yown> I know that, but that is a random unrelated topic you are suddenly bringing up
[08:20] <SoP> isn't it faster the further away fron the middle of the hard disk?
[08:20] <yown> Center of course, just think about a spinning disk
[08:20] <aiten_44> maybe its one or the other your probably right
[08:20] <yown> or a race track
[08:20] <yown> Farther out you are in a circle, the longer the path
[08:21] <theahindle> /wc
[08:21] <SoP> yes, but the rotation stays the same, so a longer track in the same amount of time
[08:22] <aiten_44> yown: swap is an extension of ram on your drive and is limited by the speed of the drive so it cannot be read as fast as ram which is why people create swap on the fastest part of the hd
[08:22] <SoP> the closer to the middle, the less track.
[08:22] <yown> true, middle is the area the reader travels across the most
[08:23] <aiten_44> yown: so if you can read data anywhere on your ssd equally fast adding swap doesn't do a whole lot for you
[08:23] <yown> aiten_44: What does that have to do with OS on a SSD resulting in less swap/ram usage?
[08:24] <SoP> aiten_44: I've heard people say swap should be in the middle, in between partitions, so the hdd can switch between swap and normal partitions faster
[08:24] <SoP> on a hdd only of course
[08:25] <aiten_44> SoP: That might be the case its been quite a while since I laid out the partitions myself
[08:25] <yown> aiten_44: I think you have a fundamentally flawed concept of what ram and swap is. There is no such thing as "ram on a drive" except what you would call swap.
[08:25] <alex> quit
[08:26] <aiten_44> yown: ram is hardware swap is a partion on a drive that acts as ram
[08:26] <SoP> yown: I think everyone here knows precisely what swal is
[08:26] <SoP> *swap, of course
[08:27] <yown> aiten_44: Ram is about accessing frequently requested data at high speed. Swap or virtual memory is just a extension of this, it lacks the speed, but by having the data needed in one spot, it doesnt have to hunt for it
[08:27] <yown> And some data is temporary
[08:27] <aiten_44> yown: data in swap and ram is temporary put there by programs that frequently use that data I understand this very well
[08:27] <yown> I see no bases for you to say that having your OS on a SSD means less need for swap
[08:28] <faBNix> Hi to all, my Ubuntu Precise has lost the 'GUI', after boot I get 'tty 1' on black screen. I tried 'ALT+F1' to 'ALT+F6' but chancges only the tty number. Does exist a manner to restore ad default the 'GUI'/'X'/graphic desktop environment? Otherways, please can you suggest me some keywords to search about it? I tried many keywords but I'm not mother tongue and is quite comlicate to find out atipical howto's. Thanks in advance
[08:28] <yown> For that matter, having less ram means more need for swap and visa versa.
[08:28] <yown> Son why would OS on SSD reduce this need?
[08:29] <SoP> faBNix: if Xorg is still running, try 'chvt 7'
[08:29] <AlexandreMBM> I will try to use gio with Python for listening 'mount added' signal
[08:29] <SoP> or chvt 8
[08:29] <aiten_44> yown: I dont know how to explain it any better to you the speed of an ssd is equal no matter where you store it so you cannot access data any faster wether it is stored as swap or not its equally as fast unlike an ssd where it matters where your data is stored
[08:29] <SoP> it's short for change virtual terminal
[08:30] <yown> aiten_44: That has nothing to do with this! Or if it does, you have yet to explain the connection!
[08:30] <SoP> with a display manager, Xorg usually runs on tty 7 or 8
[08:31] <yown> aiten_44: Or on other words, SO WHAT?!? Why do you keep on talking about that irrelevant subject?
[08:31] <aiten_44> yown: Google SSD read and write speeds and do some research maybe you will then figure out the connection for yourself I cannot break it down and lower for you
[08:31] <yown> aiten_44: No, you never explained any connection from the start
[08:31] <cfhowlett> faBNix, did you get a response ?
[08:32] <aiten_44> yown: I tried over and over it has to do with speed look it up
[08:33] <yown> aiten_44: Ok copy/paste one time you explained the connection then
[08:33] <varunendra> aiten_44, what you explained to yown means that the access of the swap (hence the performance of the OS in that case), will be faster. I agree with that. However, it does not mean that it will have any effect on usage.
[08:34] <yown> exactly
[08:34] <faBNix> SoP:  Thanks for answering, at the moment I'm on a live cd, maybe can I do somethingh with 'chroot'? I didn't tried 'chvt 7' from terminal, but I tried 'ALT+F7 and ALT+F8) but I get always the same
[08:34] <varunendra> If the swap in a particular time needs to be accessed 100 times, it will be same on hdd or ssd. Although it will be much faster when on ssd.
[08:34] <aiten_44> varunendra: no if it is there the os will use it but it isn't necessary so yes I agree with what you are saying
[08:35] <yown> sounds like you said two different things at once
[08:36] <varunendra> By the way, unless I run 2 VMs at the same time on my 12.04 with 4GB RAM, it doesn't use swap at all! lol
[08:36] <jscott1989> hey, I have an upstart script with "exec /home/astro/clyde/run-server.sh" (running that manually results in the server running) - when i run "service clyde start" or "service clyde stop" nothing gets returned and I have to CTRL+C to stop it - and after starting the service the server isn't accessible  - where would I start debugging this?
[08:36] <faBNix> cfhowlett: Hi, thanks for your interest, at the moment I can't try because I'm on the PC that has problem and is the only one available, at the moment I'm online by Ubuntu Precice live CD mode
[08:36] <aiten_44> yown: no im saying that if there is swap an os will use it but you don't need it
[08:36] <SoP> faBNix: I don't think there's any need to recover using a backup livecd and chrooting, when you can still use the ttys
[08:36] <aiten_44> with an ssd
[08:36] <varunendra> That makes sense.
[08:37] <yown> aiten_44: What we are saying is, there is no reason for SSDs speed to reduce the need of swap at all
[08:37] <SoP> faBNix: sorru, is the livecd the only way to keep an internet connection?
[08:37] <yown> aiten_44: The amount of swap needed by your system should be the same whether a ultra fast SSD or a real slow HDD
[08:38] <gartral> hey all, I have a newer Blade Servre that I'm looking to migrate my current server too, any thoughts on best practices?
[08:38] <gartral> this migration consists of a direct HDD transplant from my current server to the new one
[08:38] <faBNix> SoP:  I can't  login on the tty's, I get an errros like no way to ''''mount''' or attach the home or user to home, but HD and personal files are available
[08:39] <gartral> iv'e asked in #ubuntuserver, but thought I'd ask in here as an alternitive
[08:40] <yown> I asked this before but I must have missed or forgotten any answer, if my SSD comes with ftrim or something similar, do I still need to bother with that cron thing and fstrim?
[08:40] <draconus> hello folks
[08:40] <cfhowlett> draconus, greetings
[08:40] <SoP> faBNix: hmm... that isnt enough information to properly diagnose the problem, can you post the exact error message?
[08:40] <aiten_44> yown: It won't hurt it if you add it but I don't think it is needed
[08:40] <sumit_> i can't install koha in ubuntu 12.04 lts please help
[08:40] <faBNix> SoP: I can get console using 'restore/recovery mode', activating networking and then I can use ìapt-get' or maybe 'elinks' or 'epic', but no way to run X
[08:41] <sumit_> i get this error
[08:41] <draconus> can you imagine waking up and seeing your filesystem "read only"?
[08:41] <sumit_> DB_USER=my_koha DOC_DIR=/usr/local/info perl Makefile.PL  If installing on a Win32 platform, be sure to use: 'dmake -x MAXLINELENGTH=300000'  Warning: prerequisite Algorithm::CheckDigits 0.5 not found. Warning: prerequisite Biblio::EndnoteStyle 0.05 not found. Warning: prerequisite Business::ISBN 2.05 not found. Warning: prerequisite CGI::Compile 0.15 not found. Warning: prerequisite CGI::Emulate::PSGI 0.14 not found. Warning: prereq
[08:41] <avis> is it true that i can install pangolin on my mac mini 7,2 and thats without any boot loaders and never caring again for mac os ?
[08:41] <aiten_44> yown: check out this link http://apcmag.com/how-to-maximise-ssd-performance-with-linux.htm it sort of explains it
[08:41] <SoP> faBNix: have you tried reinstalling xorg?
[08:42] <osmankara> hello
[08:42] <sumit_> can someone help ?
[08:42] <osmankara> hello
[08:42] <faBNix> SoP:  Ok, can I provide some other log? I mean these on '/var/log/*' or dmsg like?
[08:42] <jhpy1024> Anyone know how I can map the programmable keys with this keyboard? http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-gb/p/wireless-desktop-2000
[08:42] <trip88able> ciao
[08:42] <trip88able> !lista
[08:42] <aiten_44> yown: are you talking about having an ssd and a hdd at the same time or just an ssd that could change what my answer lol
[08:43] <varunendra> draconus, yes, when it has suffered a crash or there is some other problem.
[08:43] <draconus> varunendra damn...
[08:43] <osmankara> --how can i install, .bundle, on desktop
[08:43] <osmankara> VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.i386.bundle
[08:43] <osmankara> ?
[08:44] <varunendra> draconus, see fstab, you'll most probably find this for your root (/) : "errors=remount-ro"
[08:44] <faBNix> SoP: I done it, I pastebin the script that I made to try to fix using forums and howto's, jus a second that i go to paste it an give you the link
[08:45] <draconus> varunendra i'm currently in the state of shock and not sure what to do next, just worried to make it worse...
[08:45] <SoP> faBNix: wgat command did you run?
[08:45] <varunendra> osmankara, usually "sudo ./VMware-Work....."
[08:45] <varunendra> draconus, if you have important data on it, I recommend not to even shut down.
[08:46] <varunendra> draconus, just get an external drive and backup your data first.
[08:46] <draconus> varunendra it's even worse - it's a remote box
[08:46] <draconus> varunendra and i can't access home... most of the stuff is there.
[08:46] <aiten_44> draconus: check your log files /var/log/boot.log might give you something to understand whats going on
[08:46] <b1z24rR0n3> hi all. i need help to configure 2 NICs and vlans
[08:47] <varunendra> draconus, the 'mounted as read-only' problem does not necessarily mean a serious problem, but it may be.
[08:47] <yown> aiten_44: Answer for what? That link says not to put swap on SSD, know why it would say that?
[08:47] <b1z24rR0n3> could anyone help me? My config shuold be, 1 nic for management with a fixed ip like 172.26.8.8 and on 2nd nic no ip, it is on a port on a Cisco Switch in trunk.
[08:47] <faBNix> SoP:  The commands that I tried, one by one and in batch mode like 'bas shell script'
[08:47] <avis> is it true that i can install pangolin on my mac mini 7,2 and thats without any boot loaders and never caring again for mac os ?
[08:48] <faBNix> SoP:  sorry,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5842840/
[08:48] <draconus> varunendra, aiten_44: i left the box working nicely, i can't really believe that something serious could happen... but i can't even remount the "stalled" mount of /dev/sda3 which is /home (in case it could even happen at all)
[08:48] <aiten_44> yown: yes because ssds can only be written to so many times and swap is a lot of read and writes very quickly by disabling swap and forcing it to use ram you fix that issue
[08:48] <varunendra> yown, I think because it assumes that swap will be used frequently, which is not the case in modern systems with a lot of RAM :)
[08:49] <DJones> !mac | avis
[08:49] <draconus> varunendra, aiten_44: it says bad superblock or zero length partition while fdisk -l /dev/sda shows all of them correctly
[08:49] <yown> aiten_44: I was told swap doesn't change all that often, and its the main reason to get a SSD
[08:50] <varunendra> draconus, that doesn't sound good. It seems you'll need physical access to fix it (if possible).
[08:50] <aiten_44> yown: no swap does change quite frequently depending on what you have running
[08:50] <SoP> faBNix: so you attemted to replace the nouveai drivers with nvidia's proprietary drivers?
[08:50] <draconus> varunendra isn't there a backup of superblock in ext3?
[08:50] <aiten_44> draconus: yes you can use a backup in some cases
[08:51] <draconus> aiten_44: just not sure in what damn state the drive is and not even sure how to check that out
[08:51] <yown> aiten_44:  Does linux write to swap much more frequently then windows?
[08:52] <aiten_44> yown: I'm pretty sure they are used the same
[08:52] <varunendra> aiten_44, yown it really depends on how often the swap is really accessed. Most often, it is not even touched these days on systems with lots of ram, but normal usage.
[08:53] <draconus> varunendra, aiten_44: if i can ls /root or /boot just fine and i also could ls /home/user/datadir but NOT /home/user what on earth could it mean? i also umounted /home which was /dev/sda3 and even then i can't run fsck on it
[08:54] <varunendra> draconus, I don't know how to use that backup superblock on a running system. I only know that tools like testdisk or gparted can use it to fix things, but I think it necessarily needs to unmount the target partition/drive.
[08:55] <osmankara> varunendra:  ican't do it;                                    osmankara@osmankara-G41MT-D3:~$ sudo VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.i386.bundle
[08:55] <osmankara> [sudo] password for osmankara:
[08:55] <osmankara> sudo: VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.i386.bundle: command not found
[08:55] <osmankara> osmankara@osmankara-G41MT-D3:~$ sudo ./VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.i386.bundle
[08:55] <osmankara> sudo: ./VMware-Workstation-Full-9.0.2-1031769.i386.bundle: command not found
[08:55] <faBNix> SoP:  Honestly I don't know what 'nouveai' does, I get that 'trick' on a forum and I tried it because time a go I get a 'nouveai' problem and so I just applied w/o to know what exactly it did...
[08:55] <osmankara> osmankara@osmankara-G41MT-D3:~$ ^C
[08:55] <osmankara> osmankara@osmankara-G41MT-D3:~$
[08:55] <FloodBot1> osmankara: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:55] <aiten_44> draconus: what happened before you rebooted.  Did you properly restart your computer
[08:55] <draconus> aiten_44: it's a dedicated server in a remote location and i never rebooted... i left it fully running overnight and that's what i see when i woke up...
[08:55] <osmankara> ok, i am sorry
[08:56] <draconus> varunendra i'm so confused that it's beyond words...
[08:56] <varunendra> osmankara, you forgot the initial dot (.) it was - "sudo ./VMware......" == notice the dot after "sudo" and the space after it.
[08:56] <SoP> faBNix: sorry, i meant 'nouveau', and it's the free driver for nvidia GPUs
[08:56] <aiten_44> draconus: hmm thats a tough one you cannot access your important files right?
[08:56] <draconus> aiten_44 exactly
[08:57] <faBNix> SoP: Anyway, to be ''sure'' Now I installed an 'ATI Radeon' to skip eventually 'Nvidia' problems
[08:57] <kaushal> Hi
[08:57] <shwouchk> My system is showing quite large memory usage, but I can't see anything consuming in in htop or in ps aux. How can I get to the bottom of this?
[08:57] <draconus> aiten_44: most important stuff was in /home which is /dev/sda3 and now i tried to umount /home to fsck it but it says bad superblock while mount still sees it as mounted, isn't that really strange?
[08:57] <varunendra> draconus, I don't have any suggestions either, especially if you can't even run fsck on the unmounted partition :(
[08:58] <draconus> varunendra not too sure if it's umounted... please see my reply to aiten_44
[08:58] <aiten_44> draconus: can you try sudo umount /dev/sda3
[08:58] <SoP> faBNix: i suppose you tried to install nvidia's proprietary drivers, which are generally faster but non-free (so not really at home on a gnu/linux system)
[08:58] <kaushal> I have installed unity pidgin lens on 13.04. when i type buddy name in dash it appears in the screen. is there a short cut key like "Enter
[08:58] <draconus> aiten_44 i'm logged as root atm and that gives me: umount: /home: not mounted
[08:58] <kaushal> " button to speak to the buddy?
[08:58] <kaushal> Let me know if anyone needs more information?
[08:59] <draconus> aiten_44 but in mount output it still IS mounted: /dev/sda3 on /home type ext3 (rw)
[08:59] <faBNix> SoP:  Can you tell me wich logs should be exaustive to debug the problem? I can paste them online to troublesooting help
[08:59] <SoP> those nonfree nvidia drivers conflict with nouveau
[08:59] <aiten_44> try umount -f /dev/sda3
[09:00] <draconus> aiten_44: i got umount2: Invalid argument and also that same not mounted error
[09:01] <varunendra> shwouchk, is most of the usage in buffer/cache ? (free -m) If so, it is normal and nothing to worry about.
[09:01] <aiten_44> draconus: hmm I'm just afraid if you reboot it being its a remote server you won't be able to get it restarted but it may also be something that has to be restarted to fix
[09:01] <b1z24rR0n3> could anyone help me? My config shuold be, 1 nic for management with a fixed ip like 172.26.8.8 and on 2nd nic no ip, it is on a port on a Cisco Switch in trunk.
[09:01] <SoP> faBNix: I'm not a *nix-guru myself, but I can strongly advise you to almost always stick to the free drivers
[09:02] <SoP> faBNix:n
[09:02] <faBNix> SoP:  Thanks for the info, when I'll install again the 'Nvidia' I'll put attention on it. SoP, I was thinking about to truy to disable all the non official ''ppa's'' in a way to just disable if if possible, not dlete
[09:02] <aiten_44> draconus: did you apply any updates lately
[09:02] <draconus> aiten_44 i basically have remote reboot and also i could boot into rescue console but i'm sooo worried that reboot will just kill everything
[09:02] <SoP>  faBNix: now for your problem: you posted a lot of commands, what happened before you ran them?
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> b1z24rR0n3: maybe the ##networking guys might help you out aswell
[09:02] <aiten_44> draconus: Thats my concern as well where is the damn easy button when you need it lol
[09:03] <draconus> aiten_44 yup...
[09:03] <aiten_44> draconus: can you write to say /mnt?
[09:04] <SoP> faBNix: so, what caused the problem?
[09:05] <draconus> aiten_44 let me check
[09:06] <faBNix> SoP: At first it said 'not possible tu run in default X mode, would try emegency set o low resoulution mode'? I typed 'yes', but no way to get/accept my commands, at that point pressing 'ALT+F1-6' did work perfectly
[09:07] <SoP> faBNix: wait a second, I'm logging off from my phone, brb
[09:08] <faBNix> SoP:  Well question, apparently nothing, I made a 'rsync' based backup the same script tha I used since monts, I used the X normally, but at next reboot I get what I witten before in this channel
[09:09] <SoP> faBNix: I'm back, on my laptop now
[09:09] <faBNix> SoP:  Well question, apparently nothing, I made a 'rsync' based backup the same script tha I used since monts, I used the X normally, but at next reboot I get what I witten before in this channel
[09:11] <faBNix> SoP:  The backup has reduced the free space, then I deleted Big files like downloaded iso iso's etc. Now I have 4 GB available or a bi more
[09:12] <SoP> faBNix: Just to be clear, the error message appeared after you installed the nvidia drivers?
[09:15] <cheater__> hey guys
[09:15] <cheater__> can someone help me figure out how to get this installed? https://launchpad.net/mysql-utilities/+milestone/1.2.3
[09:16] <cheater__> it's confusing because launchpad says 1.2.3 has been released, but i don't see any kind of download
[09:16] <aiten_44> draconus: did you find out if you have write support
[09:17] <faBNix> SoP:  No, video driver was ok since months it had acceleration 3d as well, I just changed the video adapter to 'ATI' just to see if somethingh chanhed, but I get the same bevohoir
[09:17] <k1l_> cheater__: see this link https://launchpad.net/mysql-utilities/+packages   you got the milestone page, not the packages page
[09:18] <cheater__> ok say i'm on that milestones page, where would i click? the user interface is confuuusing
[09:18] <draconus> aiten_44 i'm so sorry, i had an urgent call, just back and checking
[09:19] <SoP> faBNix: Ok, so the driver has nothing to do with it. But I still don't know what happened before X started giving errors, can you say what happened before X crashed?
[09:19] <aiten_44> draconus: not a problem just wanted to make sure something worse didn't happen
[09:19] <ubuntu> hi
[09:19] <ubuntu> anybody else
[09:19] <SoP> faBNix: Like, what software did you install/remove, what config files did you edit etc.
[09:19] <Guest74199> ok
[09:19] <Guest74199> hello
[09:19] <Guest74199> anybody else
[09:19] <draconus> aiten_44 thank you so much... in fact i'm quite close to an heart attack but just trying to stay calm
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> !details | Guest74199
[09:20] <draconus> aiten_44 i can't even ls /mnt... ls: reading directory .: Input/output error
[09:20] <cheater__> k1l_: the packages page shows "no packages", how would i get the source code instead?
[09:21] <aiten_44> draconus what about / can you write to that what im thinking is mount -f /dev/sda3 /(to somewhere you have write access)
[09:21] <varunendra> draconus, is there any chance to use testdisk on the server?
[09:21] <draconus> aiten_44 i will make sure about rw mount points, brb
[09:21] <k1l_> cheater__: all packages you see on that page are made available. there is no package for your wanted version
[09:21] <draconus> varunendra not sure about that
[09:22] <b1z24rR0n3> I need to cofngi vlans. My config shuold be, 1 nic for management with a fixed ip like 172.26.8.8 and on 2nd nic no ip, it is on a port on a Cisco Switch in trunk.
[09:22] <yown> Is auto legacy mode the same as on if I have any usb devices at all attached?
[09:23] <draconus> aiten_44 not too many mount points that i could use... and / is being used: /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:23] <cheater__> k1l_: hmm, i did "bzr checkout lp:mysql-utilities", that gave me the source code.
[09:23] <varunendra> yown, what are the options other than auto?
[09:23] <cheater__> k1l_: note i didn't specifically want a package, source code is ok too.
[09:23] <yown> on and off
[09:23] <cheater__> ok, thanks
[09:24] <varunendra> yown, make it "on".
[09:24] <k1l_> cheater__: okok
[09:24] <draconus> aiten_44, varunendra: what i remember very well is that i could ls particular data dir in home if i used a full path but NOT just ls /home/user which gave me error instantly
[09:25] <yown> varunendra: But shouldn't auto be the same thing  as on since I got my mouse and stuff plugged in to usb
[09:25] <varunendra> draconus, and what exactly was the error?
[09:25] <draconus> aiten_44, varunendra i also have another hard drive in that box which has lots of space and is umounted... that could help i think?
[09:26] <varunendra> yown, "auto" depends (on something), "on" is always on, which is not going to have side effects as much as I know..
[09:26] <draconus> varunendra: ls: reading directory /home/blah: Input/output error... but again: ls /home/blah/stuff1 gave a proper output
[09:26] <faBNix> SoP: Now I remember that I've a 'croned update/dist-upgrade' script that runs every two hours, now I go to get the logs made by this script
[09:26] <varunendra> draconus, but first you need to access that data right?
[09:26] <Passeride> Anyone know what the fork of X that ubuntu is wokring on will offer?
[09:27] <yown> varunendra: The description says auto turns it off if no USB device plugged in. I am not sure if that means USB device that needs legacy, or just any usb device
[09:27] <draconus> varunendra basically i'm worried about many gigs of important data, backups, etc. but for now i could live with just mysql backup (another partition) and some data from that /home/blah/stuff1
[09:27] <varunendra> draconus, whoa! I/O error always makes me scared..
[09:27] <somsip> !mir | Passeride
[09:27] <ch47usr> Hola
[09:28] <ch47usr> Hi?
[09:28] <Passeride> ubottu: thank you
[09:28] <draconus> varunendra i don't believe in a failing drive, it wasn't really heavily used at all plus the temp was pretty fine like 30-35 celsius all the time
[09:28] <draconus> welcome back aiten_44 :)
[09:28] <varunendra> yown, I've never been sure about that either :) I just know that I never noticed any side effects after making it permanent.
[09:29] <varunendra> draconus, you better not let me tell my horror stories with brand new seagate drives (3 in a row, in different machines, different times)..
[09:29] <draconus> varunendra that's why i use samsung only...
[09:29] <aiten_44_> draconus: not sure what happened lol anyway I was asking around and someone was mentioning maybe trying to do dd from your remote server to your computer your on now that way you could try fixing it on a copy and when it works just do it on your server
[09:30] <varunendra> draconus, if only you can make sure the partition is unmounted, you can try dd to image it to a file on the other drive.
[09:30] <draconus> aiten_44 that sounds very good... besides the fact that i'm on a slow connection and this is impossible to do :(
[09:30] <draconus> aiten_44 i have another drive in that box though...
[09:31] <varunendra> wow. dd is suddenly popular ! lol
[09:31] <aiten_44_> draconus might be worth a shot to try it
[09:31] <draconus> varunendra hm this is weird because i can't ls /home/user/data anymore but mount says it is mounted, also i can't umount because it says not mounted...
[09:32] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[09:32] <draconus> woah... after 20 years we still see such enormous splits all over :)
[09:33] <varunendra> draconus, and what does the mounting attempt say ?
[09:34] <varunendra> draconus, I'm still able to see you, is aiten_44_ also with us??
[09:34] <varunendra> :D
[09:34] <aiten_44_> I'm here
[09:34] <varunendra> lol
[09:34] <draconus> yee :)
[09:34] <yown> varunendra:  How about EHCI, is that suppose to be on?
[09:35] <faBNix> SoP:  I saved many logs, if you want I make an 'zip' and I give you the link but as PM
[09:35] <varunendra> yown, where did you see it?? In BIOS? What is the other option?
[09:35] <draconus> guys, this is getting funny: i just did mount /dev/sdb3 /test (another drive and ext3) and it mounted fine, i can ls /test etc. but mount doesn't show that mount at all!
[09:35] <anonimo> b
[09:35] <draconus> varunendra, aiten_44_: my mount command just went berzerk :)
[09:36] <draconus> aiten_44: i just did mount /dev/sdb3 /test (another drive and ext3) and it mounted fine, i can ls /test etc. but mount doesn't show that mount at all!
[09:36] <varunendra> draconus, it means not to trust mount output, right?
[09:36] <draconus> varunendra exactly
[09:37] <varunendra> so who was showing /home as mounted?
[09:37] <varunendra> mount command?
[09:37] <zzxx> is there a way to fix NTFS (external drive)? i can't do chkdsk on windows because it hangs
[09:37] <aiten_44> Ok well atleast we know that /dev/sda3 isn't corrupted
[09:37] <draconus> varunendra yes and it still is showing /home as mounted
[09:37] <ANub> hi
[09:38] <draconus> aiten_44 please note it was /dev/sdb3 that i just mounted and /sda3 still says mount: /dev/sda3: can't read superblock when trying to mount it :/
[09:38] <varunendra> aiten_44, it was sdB3 that he tested
[09:38] <draconus> give me my superblock back... please...
[09:38] <varunendra> draconus, how large is sda3?
[09:38] <aiten_44> oh ok
[09:38] <draconus> varunendra it's roughly 100GB
[09:39] <ANub> just noticed that ive got a directory in / by the name of " "New " with only root access. Its empty. Is it required? Why can't i delete it????
[09:39] <draconus> varunendra and it's also 91% full of data...
[09:39] <varunendra> draconus, dd may take forever :(
[09:39] <draconus> varunendra but there is a backup of superblock or even a few of those
[09:39] <ANub> just noticed that ive got a directory in / by the name of " "New " with only root access. Its empty. Is it required? Why can't i delete it???? (ubuntu is 12.04)
[09:39] <aiten_44> draconus: yea dd will take a long time what type of fs is it
[09:40] <draconus> varunendra all i really want is the damn superblock and it would mount i think
[09:40] <varunendra> draconus, I'm of no help in that area :(
[09:40] <draconus> aiten_44 ext3
[09:40] <varunendra> superblock I meant - I can't help with that
[09:40] <aiten_44> ok let me look around I'll see if I can't figure something out
[09:40] <draconus> varunendra yup i read you :/
[09:40] <draconus> aiten_44 thank you so much, i'm reading up too
[09:41] <aiten_44> draconus not a problem I've had the same issue I ended up just reinstalling cause I had made a backup the day prior talk about luck lol
[09:41] <varunendra> draconus, do you have any data recovery tool installed on it? testdisk, ddrescue..
[09:42] <draconus> varunendra not really :/
[09:42] <varunendra> read on then... :|
[09:42] <knocte> hello I've had a problem with my wifi driver and after uninstalling a package (which is proprietary btw), it started working (so the kernel-embedded opensource version is a better choice), how can I contribute this change in ubuntu upstream so 13.10 users will benefit from the fix?
[09:42] <draconus> aiten_44 i will certainly reinstall but first i need to secure that partition and/or other data...
[09:42] <draconus> aiten_44, varunendra: this is quite nice reading: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Advanced_Find_ext2_ext3_Backup_SuperBlock
[09:43] <aiten_44> draconus is the other drive you have large enough to store /dev/sda3?
[09:43] <varunendra> draconus, interesting that I visit that site too often but never felt the need to read that page.... until now.. ;)
[09:43] <draconus> aiten_44 yes it is
[09:43] <ANub> just noticed that ive got a directory in / by the name of " "New " with only root access. Its empty. Is it required? Why can't i delete it???? (ubuntu is 12.04)
[09:44] <draconus> varunendra thing is how to install testdisk on read-only file system :)
[09:44] <varunendra> knocte, I think you can file a bug report, or add your comment to an existing bug about that driver. Which driver is it by the way?
[09:44] <draconus> aiten_44 from what i read there are many copies of superblock in the file system... the point is to install testdisk now while all i have is read-only /
[09:45] <Anactasia> selm
[09:45] <yown> varunendra: yeah in bios, I dont recall exact options, probably on, off auto, like most options
[09:45] <aiten_44> draconus: yea I'm reading up on that as well I never messed with it and was hoping it wasn't going to come to reinstallation and all that
[09:46] <varunendra> draconus, once you have testdisk running, I'd suggest to simply copy your data first > attempt recovering the partition later. (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step)
[09:46] <knocte> varunendra: http://askubuntu.com/questions/314263/wireless-only-semi-working-with-lenovo-ideapad-s10-3t-netbook-driver-broadcom-c/314713#314713
[09:47] <knocte> varunendra: I want to contribute a fix, so my question is not how to file in launchpad but where the code is?
[09:48] <draconus> varunendra, aiten_44: i have found an rw mount... /lib/init/rw
[09:48] <draconus> which is tempfs
[09:48] <varunendra> knocte, so what is your fix by the way? I think I can add something to what you understand as of now..
[09:49] <knocte> varunendra: my fix would be that, if hardware 14e4:4727 is detected, not install the package broadcom-wl
[09:49] <aiten_44> draconus: can you try forcing a mount of /dev/sda3
[09:49] <knocte> s/not install/avoid installing/
[09:50] <draconus> aiten_44 hm
[09:50] <varunendra> knocte, first of all, the wl driver is not preinstalled on an installed system. It is a proprietary driver (as you already figured out) and needs to be installed by the user.
[09:50] <babinlonston> selinux is in enforcing more , samba share mounted in client machine but i cant see the files and create a newfolder or files inside that shared samba , acl setted and even booleam setted
[09:50] <knocte> varunendra: that's not true, after installing ubuntu, the package was installed in my system, I didn't use apt-get for anything
[09:50] <varunendra> knocte, we are having quite some interesting developments with that particular chip. I'll give you a link...
[09:51] <draconus> aiten_44 did you mean mount -f ?
[09:51] <aiten_44> yes
[09:51] <babinlonston> selinux is in enforcing more , samba share mounted in client machine but i cant see the files and create a newfolder or files inside that shared samba , acl setted and even booleam setted
[09:52] <draconus> aiten_44 it didn't return any error but also the mount point is empty
[09:52] <draconus> aiten_44 please note that fstab is on read-only... perhaps that's why mount is acting like crazy?
[09:52] <varunendra> knocte, it is available on the live cd if I remember correctly. What might have happened is that you would have chose to "Install third party software" during installation. Since i-net was working at that time, it got installed.
[09:53] <draconus> aiten_44 i can still see /home mounted in cat /etc/fstab
[09:53] <knocte> varunendra: possibly, then we still need a fix, as it shouldn't be installed even if the user chooses to install third party software
[09:53] <knocte> for this particular PCI-ID at least
[09:54] <varunendra> knocte, that is nothing :D I don't know why, but that (wl) driver is very often proposed for even those devices which it absolutely can't support :/
[09:55] <varunendra> we end up removing it > installing correct firmware for b43.
[09:55] <aiten_44> draconus fstab being read only is probably the cause for mount acting funny still trying to figure out what to do next tho
[09:56] <knocte> varunendra: if you read my answer in askubuntu.com more carefully, you'll see I'm not proposing b43 but brcm80211 (renamed to brcmsmac)
[09:56] <knocte> which is the one that works (b43 doesn't, according to the kernel page)
[09:58] <draconus> aiten_44 i found proper information about current mounts in /proc/mounts and /dev/sda3 is indeed umounted... what i plan next is to run testdisk but HOW do i install it when / is read-only? just wondering about the risk of remounting it rw but i guess it could also report a superblock error and then i'm toasted
[09:58] <varunendra> knocte, Be assured, I have dealt enough with it to not make that mistake. Lol. I was mentioning a general case. b43 won't work with that chip.
[09:58] <knocte> ok, then are you saying that 13.10 should already work OOTB even when selecting thirdparty pkgs?
[09:59] <draconus> aiten_44 i need to run testdisk as a solution to finding out a backup superblock and once it's done i could try to mount the /dev/sda3 at /home again
[09:59] <varunendra> knocte, and I don't feel very happy about this, but many times the native driver (brcmsmac) also doesn't play well with it. In that case, we end up compiling an older version of wl
[09:59] <aiten_44> draconus: I'm looking at e2sl to see if it works with ext3 as well it locates superblocks
[09:59] <draconus> aiten_44 oh that seems nice
[09:59] <varunendra> knocte, it is supposed to work out of box, but see my above msg.
[09:59] <draconus> aiten_44 but -bash: e2sl: command not found
[10:00] <knocte> varunendra: maybe brcmsmac doesn't play with it well in the case of other PCI-IDs but in this PCI-ID case it works perfectly
[10:00] <aiten_44> its ext2 only never mind
[10:00] <varunendra> knocte, here is what all some of us have been dealing with : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140640&p=12629619#post12629619
[10:01] <varunendra> knocte, I created that post when the native brcmsmac didn't work for some guys.. :(
[10:01] <draconus> aiten_44 so the solution would be to find out about a tool to recover a superblock which i might have installed
[10:01] <knocte> varunendra: running the same PCI-ID as mine?
[10:02] <aiten_44> draconus: at this point I would try running test disk and see what happens or search for the superblock
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[10:02] <varunendra> knocte, what do you mean by PCI-ID?  [14e4:4727] ?? then yes, absolutely
[10:03] <draconus> aiten_44 i can't run it because i don't have it installed while the / is read-only...
[10:04] <knocte> varunendra: I'm reading the first poster, and he's saying he has wl installed, so it's the same problem as me
[10:04] <varunendra> knocte, as it stands now, it has been a matter of hit or miss. For some, the brcmsmac works better, for some, the wl, while there are still some for whom none of these work satisfactorily - and I'm talking about that very chip, not others :(
[10:04] <SoP> |help
[10:04] <varunendra> yes, wl - the newer version.
[10:04] <aiten_44> draconus: yea thats right you could try downloading the source code to your other drive that you have write access to and compile it from source and just run it that way
[10:04] <knocte> k
[10:05] <draconus> aiten_44 so compile on that other drive completely?
[10:05] <aiten_44> if it lets you
[10:05] <draconus> aiten_44 but wouldn't compiler need to write to primary drive?
[10:06] <aiten_44> i don't think so but before you try that check this link out http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/recover-bad-superblock-from-corrupted-partition/
[10:06] <draconus> aiten_44 thank you very much, reading up
[10:07] <draconus> aiten_44: dumpe2fs: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda3
[10:09] <aiten_44> draconus can you get local access to this server?
[10:09] <knocte> varunendra: I fail to see when the reporter in that thread tests the non-wl solution, because after he uninstalls the broadcom kernel module, you tell him to blacklist brcmsmac!
[10:10] <melkor> Hello, I am trying to use some cisco vpn bs but it doesn't find shared libraries that I have installed. This is for libraries that are located in the  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu directories. Is there anyway I can get something to look there for the libs?
[10:10] <varunendra> knocte, that is where that workaround originated. After that, whenever I see that chip, I first try brcmsmac, then this one. Like I said, it has so far been a hit & miss game.
[10:12] <knocte> ok, FWIW I also think that brcmsmac is the best option to be the default because, if anything, it is opensource and could potentially be fixed
[10:12] <knocte> but with the proprietary driver the only thing you may be able to fix is compilation problems...
[10:13] <varunendra> knocte, that is and should be no doubt the first preference.
[10:13] <varunendra> and when it works, it just works, out-of-box. knocte :)
[10:13] <draconus> aiten_44 what do you think about this? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=79101
[10:14] <aiten_44> checking it out now
[10:14] <draconus> aiten_44 this is basically the same situation that i'm having... i don't really understand his last post though... doesn't that mean wiping the data?
[10:15] <rking1> quit
[10:15] <melkor> Many people who package software as 64bit, but it is actually 32bit should not be allowed to package software.
[10:15] <rking1> D'oh!
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[10:17] <varunendra> knocte, what you may help figure out and probably contribute improving is to improve the "Additional Driver" program so it doesn't propose wrong drivers. However in this case, it is just an optional choice which has been there for a reason.
[10:17] <aiten_44> draconus: I wouldn't do mk2fs thats for creating a partition
[10:18] <aiten_44> draconus: I would try testdisk once see what happens maybe cross your fingers as you hit enter
[10:19] <draconus> aiten_44: please also see: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=74362
[10:19] <draconus> aiten_44 another guy having such issue and he also used mke2fs to find out superblocks
[10:19] <Vec_> Hey guys, i need some help. I can't for the life of me get crontab to work.. I want to run rsnapshot every minute, i do "* * * * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot -V hourly > /home/boxadmin/log/crontab.rsnap.log". Console confirms the add. The /usr/bin/rsnapshot has rwx-r-x-r-x.. The thing is, nothing happens. Not even if i add some simply "log to this file" job. What gives?
[10:20] <Ben64> Vec_: use a script
[10:20] <Vec_> Also, isn't there supposed to be a cron folder under /var/cron ? I have none
[10:20] <Vec_> - /var/log/cron*
[10:21] <draconus> aiten_44: -n     Causes mke2fs to not actually create a filesystem, but display what it would do if it were to create a filesystem.  This  can  be  used  to
[10:21] <draconus>               determine  the  location  of the backup superblocks for a particular filesystem
[10:21] <Ben64> Vec_: cron stuff goes into the syslog
[10:21] <aiten_44> draconus: ahh thats a good idea i never would have thought of that
[10:21] <Vec_> Ben64: It wont execute scripts either, im pretty sure ive added the job correctly too, say like "* * * * * bash /path/to/script.sh
[10:22] <draconus> aiten_44: Superblock backups stored on blocks:
[10:22] <draconus>         32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736... and there is more!
[10:22] <aiten_44> Vec_ I think it gets logged to /var/log/cron or cron.log
[10:22] <Ben64> Vec_: you should just do /path/to/script
[10:22] <draconus> aiten_44 but /dev/sda3 is EXT3 and not EXT2... if that matters?
[10:22] <Ben64> if the script is written properly, it will work
[10:22] <Vec_> Ben64: There are 0 entries from cron in the syslog. Shouldnt cron log stuff even if it cant execute the jobs correctly?
[10:23] <Vec_> Ben64: Also tried "* * * * * /path/to/script.sh"
[10:23] <aiten_44> draconus: on the link you shared he had ext4 so should be ok
[10:24] <Ben64> Vec_: how are you editing your crontab
[10:24] <Vec_> aiten_44: Ill check those logs right now
[10:24] <Vec_> aiten_44: There exists no file or folder named cron in /var/log
[10:24] <Ben64> Jul  4 03:24:01 Ben64 CRON[14178]: (ben64) CMD (this doesnt work at all)
[10:25] <Ben64> i still get a message when i have a bad entry in cron
[10:25] <Vec_> Ok, i dont :u
[10:25] <aiten_44> Vec_ check your config file in /etc for cron make sure it is setup to log
[10:25] <Ben64> is cron running?
[10:25] <Vec_> Ben64: I edit them via "sudo crontab -e" im assuming this makes root do the jobs
[10:25] <Vec_> i did "ps aux" ->
[10:25] <Vec_> root      1786  0.0  0.0  21324  1040 ?        Ss   12:01   0:00 cron
[10:26] <Vec_> <- fairly new to linux/ubuntu, but i assume thats cron running
[10:26] <Ben64> Vec_: grep -i cron /var/log/*
[10:27] <Vec_> boxadmin@box:/var/log$ grep -i cron /var/log*
[10:27] <Vec_> grep: /var/log: Is a directory
[10:27] <Ben64> thats not what i wrote...
[10:27] <aiten_44> Vec_ try sudo cat /var/log/* | grep cron
[10:27] <Ben64> and don't paste the potentially 100s of lines that result from that
[10:28] <Ben64> my command would work fine, and give the name of the file with it
[10:28] <Vec_> I knew it was 2 and not 100 so i didnt think any of it. Also isnt it what you wrote tho?
[10:28] <Ben64> you forgot a slash
[10:28] <Vec_> Ben64: Hm.. This seems like there is something rather fundamentally wrong
[10:28] <Vec_> Oh, my mistake
[10:29] <Vec_> Ben64, aiten_44: Thanks for the help. Hold on, i now did what Ben64 suggested and i got diffrent output, let me pastebin please
[10:29] <Ben64> i get 2384 lines from the command i suggested
[10:29] <shwouchk> varunendra: I doubt is since swap is almost full as well
[10:29] <shwouchk> varunendra: and I'm using vm.swappiness = 10
[10:30] <Vec_> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/egXtAgiS
[10:30] <Vec_> This is a "small" part of the output from your command when i wrote it correctly
[10:31] <Atlantic778> Hi guys! I'm at friends place, an upgrade was interrupted and there are many packages which need to be upgraded but apt says they're being "kept back".
[10:31] <Ben64> see, it is in syslog
[10:31] <Atlantic778> I've just tried to run upgrade and -f install but it didn't help. Any hints?
[10:31] <Vec_> aiten_44: http://pastebin.com/ssWDK3bm this is what i get from ur command, it looks the same
[10:32] <varunendra> shwouchk, please show us the output of "free -m". Do - "free -m | pastebinit" and post here the pastebin link.
[10:32] <aiten_44> Vec_ it is the same lol I didn't see Ben64 told you the same thing just a different way
[10:32] <Vec_> Ben64: What can we deduce from this? My eyes does not see the job i've entered atleast.
[10:32] <Vec_> Ben64: Never mind that, i just saw it
[10:32] <sundeb_88> how does on unlot the super user account in ubuntu/Lubuntu
[10:33] <DJones> !sudo | sundeb_88
[10:33] <aiten_44> Vec_ I can see you opened it why not create a sepperate log for you command when it is run
[10:33] <Ben64> Vec_: doesn't seem like anything has run since yesterday at noon
[10:33] <Vec_> aiten: I try to log like this-- Jul  4 12:22:01 box CRON[1931]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/rsnapshot -V hourly > /home/boxadmin/log/crontab.rsnap.log)
[10:34] <Vec_> Ben64: its 12:33 at my location
[10:34] <Vec_> and 04/07 is the date
[10:34] <Vec_> So it actually ran today, but then i dont understand why rsnapshot didnt fire showing me console output, and that the logfile has not been create
[10:35] <Ben64> oh ok so it does work
[10:35] <aiten_44> echo something your pushing your command to crontab.rsnap and it isn't actually running
[10:36] <Vec_> aiten_44: Please excuse my featherweight knowledge, i did not understand exactly what you just said.
[10:36] <sundeb_88> DJones, I erpefer to have to su - to get to roo as o I was taught by a mentor that i good admin  of any os  always uses the root account instead of a uac top workaround like sudo
[10:36] <away> you can use $ sudo -i to get a root shell
[10:37] <Ben64> sundeb_88: that method is less secure, and you can do what away says if you absolutely need a root shell, which there really isn't very much calling for it
[10:37] <Vec_> aiten_44, Ben64: This is how my crontab looks, http://pastebin.com/kJxRB8p7
[10:37] <shwouchk> varunendra: http://pastebin.com/b1u4QNWt
[10:37] <aiten_44> your script && echo "My command was run" >> /var/log/cron.custom.log do something like this
[10:37] <varunendra> sundeb_88, based on what all I have read so far, only an insane admin uses root account permanently :)
[10:37] <Ben64> Vec_: so it goes back to my original suggestion... use a script :)
[10:38] <aiten_44> or you can use the command tee and echo it that way
[10:38] <sundeb_88>  Agreed   Vanadis_ , Ben
[10:39] <away> sundeb_88, in any case, if you insist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#root_account
[10:39] <sundeb_88> thanks for the Security tips Ben64
[10:40] <aiten_44> draconus: did that work for you
[10:41] <sundeb_88> 'Any way i can compile or install a 3.10 kernel on lubuntu /ubuntu?
[10:41] <Atlantic778> Dist upgrade solved the problem.
[10:42] <Vec_> aiten_44: this looks ok? http://pastebin.com/uuEvfSKR
[10:42] <aiten_44> Vec_: like Ben64 said if you want to run that hourly write a script and put it in /etc/cron.hourly then chmod + x your script
[10:42] <chunkyhead> testing 1 2 3
[10:43] <mn2010> Pulseaudio, does it support frequency filtering (and i dont mean channel-remixing... thats not filtering, thats cloning)
[10:43] <chunkyhead> can anyone tell me what is my nick?
[10:43] <dylan__> Hello. Anybody good with FFMPEG and streaming?
[10:43] <Vec_> aiten_44: It worked
[10:43] <aiten_44> what worked?
[10:43] <Vec_> Ben64, aiten_44: Thanks. I have to run off to work, but now i got crontab to execute my script and log it
[10:43] <Vec_> ^
[10:44] <BluesKaj> your nick is chunkyhead
[10:44] <chunkyhead> dylan__: ffmpeg is for video converting right?
[10:44] <darkgroove> chunkyhead: dylan__ seems like he wants to stream with ffmpeg
[10:44] <chunkyhead> has anyone use irssi before? like it's difficult to find out if someone has messaged you because there is no highlighted line. does anyone know how to change the settings?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:45] <darkgroove> dylan__: how about avconv?
[10:45] <mn2010> chunkyhead: yes, LibAV one is not though, its a joke..
[10:45] <the4ndy> hey so i have a windows 8 machine and I downloaded the latest stable version (the one supported till 2017) of Ubuntu from their website, I then used the WUBI (?) installer...basically i mounted the iso and ran the only exe in the root folder. The install happened and it said it worked and it needed to restart in order to finish up.....i walked away and when i came back to my computer it was...
[10:45] <the4ndy> ...in windows 8, i rebooted and selected Ubuntu from the OS boot options and when it booted i got an error that looks like this http://i.imgur.com/LxSBUao.jpg
[10:45] <DJones> chunkyhead: Have a look at hilight.pl and setting up a hilight window
[10:46] <varunendra> shwouchk, most of your 15GB is in buffer/cache. The cache+available alone is about 7.5 GB (that is clearly usable when needed). I'm not sure about how to determine how much from buffer can be available, but you don't have a low memory problem yet. But yes, the swap has been used too much ! Can't say why
[10:46] <Ben64> the4ndy: i'd have to guess it's because of secureboot
[10:46] <mn2010> uses windows-8 and wonders why he has boot issues...
[10:46] <chunkyhead> DJones: actually i figured it out thanks man
[10:47] <aiten_44> the4andy: try going into  your bios and disabling secure boot
[10:47] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: wubi is not exactly a good way to install ubuntu. it still doesn't mean why it didn't work for you. do you have a spare pc?
[10:48] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: it still doesn't mean it* shouldn't* work*
[10:48] <the4ndy> unfortunately i dont really have a spare PC...depending on what you want me to try i can either build one from some parts i can dig up, or ill borrow a roommates
[10:48] <the4ndy> I like the disable secure boot idea
[10:49] <the4ndy> i was in the bios options before after it failed and i saw that option i will turn it off and have a go
[10:49] <cfhowlett> the4ndy, per wubi developers, it's a TESTING platform and not meant to be a permanent install solution.  consider a proper dual boot or install virtualbox in windows and then put ubuntu in a virtualbox
[10:49] <the4ndy> can you explain why wubi is not a good way to install it?
[10:49] <the4ndy> ina  virtualbox runs too slow on my laptop and i thought using wubi was a real dual boot
[10:49] <cfhowlett> the4ndy, one because it messes with the bootloader and most new users find that ... uncomfortabl
[10:50] <the4ndy> im confused i guess. i dont have a CD drive so live cd is out
[10:50] <primital> Is there a way to make the "ping" command generate an output when it cannot reach the host within, say 100 ms, instead of waiting until it times out?
[10:50] <mladoux> yay, got prime fixed on my ubuntu install.
[10:50] <the4ndy> and i didnt have a flash drive handy, though i have one at home where ill be in an hour or less
[10:50] <cfhowlett> the4ndy, wubi is NOT dual boot.  moreover, wubi, being a windows application, suffers from the all the windows weaknesses therein
[10:50] <the4ndy> maybe im using the wrong terminology
[10:51] <the4ndy> i wanted to install ubuntu from a partition on my HD
[10:51] <shwouchk> varunendra: You haven't answered my question though (or helped me answer it..) - what is consuming 8Gb of ram?
[10:51] <the4ndy> so like i got a bunch of space, format some of it, put the install stuff on it, and such just like a live cd or usb
[10:53] <cfhowlett> !dual|the4ndy, wubi confuses the issue.
[10:53] <ANub> just noticed that ive got a directory in / by the name of " "New " with only root access. Its empty. Is it required? Why can't i delete it???? (ubuntu is 12.04)
[10:53] <cfhowlett> !dualboot
[10:54] <varunendra> shwouchk, if you are using default Ubuntu, and have exactly 16 GB RAM, half of it (8GB) will immediately be allocated as /run/shm - that is used as a ram disk. You can check it with df -h
[10:54] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: what ubuntu version are you downloading?
[10:54] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: sorry went afk. back
[10:55] <the4ndy> the newest stable
[10:55] <the4ndy> 12.04 ?
[10:55] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: type my name i dont get popups unless you type my name
[10:55] <cfhowlett> the4ndy, all releases are stable ... but 12.04 is Long TEerm Suppoort
[10:55] <the4ndy> 12.04 LTS 64 bit
[10:55] <the4ndy> yeah that one, i didnt know what LTS stood for, makes sense
[10:55] <chunkyhead> type my name in your msgs like this--> the4ndy  type a few letters and press tab
[10:56] <the4ndy> chunkyhead: oh ok thats how that works
[10:56] <the4ndy> chunkyhead: sorruy
[10:56] <chunkyhead> download universal usb installer and create bootable usb the4ndy
[10:56] <sundeb_88> In the process of puilding a sausy snap shot
[10:56] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: boot from usb (with safeboot disabled)
[10:56] <sundeb_88> with pbuilder-dist saucy create
[10:57] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: i think i might have a video i'll just link it to you. hold on
[10:57] <cfhowlett> !saucy|sundeb_88,
[10:57] <the4ndy> chunkyhead: ok im gonna do that when i get home....i just though t there was a way to do it using a small install partition. i cant find the guide i was looking at, but yeah WUBI just confused me
[10:57] <cfhowlett> the4ndy, don't feel bad.  wubi confuses most people.
[10:58] <chunkyhead> cfhowlett: true the4ndy
[10:58] <the4ndy> chunkyhead: thanks! windows 8 is becoming quite the hassle the more i use it
[10:58] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIWW4Li4Uo
[10:58] <darkgroove> Can anyone help me understand? I have 1gb RAM installed on my PC but whenever I check it through my operating it says I have 2GB RAM. Here are my specs: 1gb Ram, 1gb nvidia geforce 9500gt, 2.6ghz Intel dual core (just in case).
[10:59] <darkgroove> *operating system
[10:59] <varunendra> shwouchk, also, almost the same amount usually appears as dedicated as virtual swap (/dev/zram0).  It is a swap in RAM (cat /proc/swaps). But I'm a little confused on how both these (virtual swap and /run/shm) are handled. But most of this space is recovered when required. The swap partition is only used when this virtual swap gets full (or almost full)
[10:59] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: that's a decent channel on youtube. you can learn basic stuff frm there. windows8 is alright. i use it for office2013 and some games. for everything else i use ubuntu
[10:59] <the4ndy> raring ringtail? is that raring as in like making RAR archives?
[10:59] <cfhowlett> the4ndy, absolutely unrelated
[11:00] <SwedeMike> darkgroove: how do you check it through the OS?
[11:00] <the4ndy> cfhowlett: i know, sorry i was just wondering
[11:00] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: no no ubuntu 13.04 is raring ringtail
[11:00] <the4ndy> chunkyhead: right thats what the video you sent me was, im just wondering about the name
[11:01] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: the installation procedure is more or less the same. better grahpics in 13.04 that's it. by more or less the same i mean it's the same. some steps would be named differently that's it
[11:01] <darkgroove> SwedeMike: saw it through task manager
[11:01] <darkgroove> I know it's not really a big deal but it just puzzles me
[11:01] <the4ndy> i know ubuntu gives them funny names like Fiesty Fawn maybe?, Handy Heron ? and the above mentioned saucy salamander
[11:01] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: anything else? i've go
[11:02] <the4ndy> chunkyhead: no no youve been very helpful thanks a bunch
[11:02] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: that's the way shutterworth roles :P
[11:02] <chunkyhead> the4ndy: cya
[11:03] <mn2010> i miss Hardy :( good old days of Gnome 1.3, Gaim, Xchat and Firefox 4
[11:03] <varunendra> darkgroove, maybe it is the 1 GB dedicated ram on the graphics card? You can check it with "sudo dmidecode -t memory"
[11:04] <darkgroove> varunendra: I'll try that out right now
[11:04] <auronandace> mn2010: gnome 1.3? ubuntu never went that far back
[11:04] <Valtam> anyone got Steam to launch on 12.04.2 64bit?
[11:05] <MonkeyDust> !steam
[11:05] <columb> How do I move from Windows boot manager to Grub?
[11:05] <darkgroove> Valtam: I got it to launch on 12.04 32-bit if that helps
[11:05] <Valtam> lol
[11:05] <mn2010> typo, 2.4 i meant, and my version may be off a bit.. it was quite a long time ago for me :(
[11:05] <columb> Valtam, no problem on 64-bit 12.04 either.
[11:06] <darkgroove> varunendra: same thing. It says I have 2048mb of ram
[11:06] <cfhowlett> columb, as in have grub boot windows?
[11:06] <mn2010> Valtam: works on 13.10 64bit
[11:06] <varunendra> darkgroove, it will also show on which bank, type, etc.... and it doesn't lie :)
[11:06] <Ben64> darkgroove: looks like you have 2GB
[11:07] <columb> cfhowlett, currently every boot I choose  between Windows 7 and Ubuntu in Windows boot manager. I would like to use Grub instead of it.
[11:07] <SwedeMike> darkgroove: try running "free" in a terminal and pastebin what it outputs.
[11:07] <cfhowlett> columb, this sounds suspiciously like you installed ubuntu via wubi
[11:07] <darkgroove> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[11:07] <SwedeMike> darkgroove: also "sudo lshw" if you want to look yourself, it lists all your hw.
[11:07] <darkgroove> Mem:       2062368    1849252     213116          0      61168     687468
[11:07] <darkgroove> -/+ buffers/cache:    1100616     961752
[11:07] <darkgroove> Swap:      2093052      15080    2077972
[11:07] <SwedeMike> darkgroove: you have 2 gigs of ram. does your BIOS say otherwise?
[11:08] <cor_r> pastebin...-.-
[11:08] <Valtam> www.pastebin.com/MHeqf7Lj
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> darkgroove  use !pastebin in the future
[11:08] <Valtam> just takes me back to terminal, doesnt launch
[11:08] <darkgroove> ok thanks about pastebin
[11:08] <varunendra> darkgroove, "sudo dmidecode -t memory | pastebinit" == post here the pastebin link
[11:08] <darkgroove> didn't now :D
[11:09] <darkgroove> SwedeMike: when I boot up it says 1024mb before it goes into bios
[11:09] <SwedeMike> darkgroove: well, I have never experienced linux being wrong in this aspect. I don't know why the bios says what it does, but you most likely have 2 gb ram
[11:10] <darkgroove> well, thanks.
[11:10] <darkgroove> it's not really a problem
[11:10] <varunendra> :)
[11:10] <darkgroove> it just keeps me wondering
[11:10] <columb> cfhowlett, yeah... Haven't got any CD/flash sticks around so I have to install it from windows.
[11:10] <darkgroove> I used Windows before and it said I had 2gb too :D
[11:10] <varunendra> darkgroove, if you show us the output of dmidecode, we can probably tell you more about your ram and its location, specs than you can possibly know otherwise ;)
[11:10] <darkgroove> so it's not only Linux :D
[11:11] <babinlonston> Samba Share Problem i cant create files in this shared folder /public , here is the samba configuration file , [public]        comment = Public Stuff        path = /public        public = yes        writable = yes        browseable = yes        printable = no        guest ok = yes        write list = +staff
[11:11] <cfhowlett> columb, you're vastly better off letting windows manage things until you can get around to installing a proper dual boot
[11:11] <shwouchk> varunendra: none            7.9G  1.4M  7.9G   1% /run/shm <--- shouldn't use more than 2mb of actual ram
[11:11] <cfhowlett> columb, it CAN be done the way you want to do it, but ...
[11:11] <shwouchk> varunendra: though that's a good tip, thanks
[11:12] <varunendra> shwouchk, I believe you have a 2GB swap partition, is that correct?
[11:12] <varunendra> If so, then 8 GB is clearly indulged in the virtual swap, making a total of 10 GB, shwouchk
[11:12] <MonkeyDust> babinlonston  if you don't get an answer here, go and ask in #samba
[11:13] <columb> cfhowlett, but what?
[11:13] <cfhowlett> columb, you have to decide if the risk and pain is worth the effort.
[11:14] <pauser> hi, how can i install typescript compiler on ubuntu dont send me "letmegooglethatforyou" please but an answer?
[11:14] <jacks_cool> Want to scan windows partition from linux! any help?
[11:14] <shwouchk> varunendra: 10Gb. Also, I don't have virtual swap, my swappiness is set to 10, vfs_cache_pressure right now is 100, and despite this my swap is using almost 9Gb...
[11:14] <columb> cfhowlett, risk about what? Ubuntu? Windows? Both?
[11:15] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  you mean a virus scan?
[11:15] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: Yes!
[11:15] <varunendra> shwouchk, so you don't have /dev/zram0 ?
[11:15] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  clamtk can do that, simply select the windows partition
[11:15] <auronandace> columb: wubi puts a ubuntu install in a file in the windows partition, installing grub without a proper installation would be pointless
[11:15] <cfhowlett> columb, messing up your boot options.  Your data would likely still be there, but your ability to boot to it could be compromised.
[11:16] <cfhowlett> auronandace, more clear articulation of I was trying to say ...
[11:17] <varunendra> shwouchk, then I'd assume that it is all considered (by os) as in use in the form of ramdisk (/run/shm). Even if it seems empty, it has been taken away from the ram (recoverable though, when required)
[11:17] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: I am continuously being warned by security center that a virus is affecting my computer. MSE (Microsoft Security Essential) is not able to detect that. I thought let me give a try with Linux.
[11:17] <cfhowlett> jacks_cool, clever.
[11:17] <auronandace> columb: wubi was naver meant to be used as a long term solution, its only intended as a 'try before you buy' kind of thing
[11:17] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  great, clamtk is in the repos, try that
[11:18] <auronandace> columb: wubi really isn't worth the effort
[11:18] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: thanks! :)
[11:18] <jacks_cool> cfhowlett: lol! :p
[11:18] <columb> auronandace, how do I make my HDD with ubuntu bootable? Windows in on separated drive.
[11:19] <shwouchk> varunendra: this is not the case. When I just boot I have ~2Gb in use even though shm is mounted
[11:19] <shwouchk> varunendra: and no /dev/zram0
[11:19] <varunendra> jacks_cool, be aware though that if there is indeed a virus that windows can't detect (but clamav can) then most probably it would have corrupted some windows system files as well. Trying to repair them may corrupt or delete them, rendering windows un-bootable.
[11:19] <auronandace> columb: you've installed ubuntu to an external harddrive?
[11:20] <shwouchk> varunendra: and don't see what is the point of swap that sits atop ram
[11:20] <columb> auronandace, yes.
[11:20] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  what varunendra happened to me
[11:20] <MonkeyDust> jacks_cool  what varunendra says happened to me
[11:20] <auronandace> columb: then when you installed it you should have made sure grub was installed to the external drive
[11:20] <cfhowlett> columb, aurondance is exactly right.  wubi developers themselves have stated the it's a testing bed, NOT  a long-term install solution.  moreover, as windows filesystems frequently break and fragment, so goes your ubuntu.  Windows fixes of ubuntu under wubi are rarely effective
[11:20] <jacks_cool> varunendra: May be I can take a backup of my important data and try again.
[11:21] <auronandace> columb: then you can set the bios to boot from the drive
[11:21] <jacks_cool> MonkeyDust: backup of important info will do I suppose! ;)
[11:21]  * gauravgupta123 waves hello
[11:21] <varunendra> shwouchk, it is an interesting topic on many blogs, just look it up. The best part of this swap is that it is compressible, so saves actual space and improves performance (especially in VMs) where swap is used.
[11:21] <columb> auronandace, I tried. PC doesn't count this HDD as bootable :(
[11:21] <Aremi> Hi?
[11:22] <hd5770> hi
[11:22] <shwouchk> varunendra: and real swap is not compressible?
[11:22] <auronandace> columb: not really much you can do if your bios doesn't support booting from usb devices
[11:22] <Aremi> Alright!  how do you access the disc in the disc drive on the computer
[11:22] <varunendra> jacks_cool, the importance of backups goes without saying :D
[11:22] <columb> auronandace, it's HDD, not usb.
[11:22] <varunendra> shwouchk, nope ! :)
[11:22] <shwouchk> varunendra: anyway, back to my problem?
[11:22] <hd5770> go to my computer >> disk
[11:22] <columb> auronandace, and it's connected to PC with SATA.
[11:22] <auronandace> columb: an external usb connected harddisk?
[11:22] <jacks_cool> varunendra: lol yeah it does.
[11:23] <Aremi> hd5770: It's mostly for use to installing drivers to connect to the internet.
[11:23] <auronandace> columb: external sata? sorry you've just confused me
[11:23] <Aremi> So I kinda have to use terminal and I can't seem to find it
[11:24] <auronandace> columb: if its connected via sata then surely its an internal disk
[11:25] <hd5770> Aremi mount /dev/cdrom
[11:25] <columb> auronandace, okey, sorry about that. So how do I make it bootable?
[11:25] <varunendra> shwouchk, to be honest, the mixup of buffer/virtual swap/ramdisk/tmpfs.... (and god only knows what else) gets me totally lost. Frankly, I've no idea how to determine what has used how much RAM, although I know there is a dedicated command for that. Doesn't "top" give any useful info?
[11:25] <Aremi> ok uh....it seems that it's already mounted.
[11:25] <Aremi> But uh....how do I type in a name with spaces in it?
[11:25] <auronandace> columb: change the boot order in the bios
[11:25] <shwouchk> varunendra: no. Thanks for your help!
[11:26] <hd5770> Aremi, # mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /cdrom
[11:26] <PRISM_> im back
[11:26] <PRISM_> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/https-everywhere/gcbommkclmclpchllfjekcdonpmejbdp
[11:26] <columb> auronandace, I tried it. PC doesn't recognise HDD with ubuntu as bootable and asks to change it to something that could.
[11:26] <varunendra> shwouchk, sorry to be of no more help, hope someone else may..
[11:26] <PRISM_> cool add on for chrome, https everywhere
[11:26] <auronandace> columb: then grub wasn't installed to it
[11:26] <k1l> Aremi: you need to escape the spaces with a \. like this\ is\ a\ space
[11:26] <shwouchk> varunendra: thanks
[11:26] <Aremi> ahhh okay thanks
[11:27] <k1l> !ot | PRISM_
[11:27] <PRISM_> oops wrong channel, lol
[11:28] <Aremi> Wait so how do you access the disc still....just cd /media/username/discname?
[11:29] <hd5770> Aremi, currect
[11:30] <Aremi> Oh nevermind, hd5770 I got it
[11:30] <hd5770> correct*
[11:31] <ANub> just noticed that ive got a directory in / by the name of " "New " with only root access. Its empty. Is it required? Why can't i delete it???? (ubuntu is 12.04)
[11:31] <draconus2> aiten_44 are you still around? i'm still fighting the /dev/hda3 madness
[11:32] <draconus2> aiten_44 i did manage to grab testdisk...
[11:32] <aiten_44> draconus2: I am still here
[11:33] <draconus2> aiten_44 i found out that there is a statically compiled testdisk in the package so i put it on another disk in that box and tried to run...
[11:33] <jgcampbell300> whats a good multiboot installer like YUMI for ubuntu
[11:33] <Ben64> ANub: no not required, you probably created it on accident at some point
[11:33] <draconus2> aiten_44 it says that there are no partitions on that drive...
[11:33] <varunendra> draconus2, that downloadable testdisk package doesn't need compilation- installation it seems, just extract somewhere and run
[11:34] <varunendra> oops, late :/ draconus2
[11:34] <aiten_44> probably due to the bad superblocks error were you able to figure out a way to use a backup superblock/
[11:34] <ANub> Ben64! i didn't create it. thats for sure 'cause its unique name i.e., "New (inverted commas at the start)
[11:34] <varunendra> draconus2, did you try a deeper search? Did it even allow it?
[11:34] <intergage> Hello everyone, can someone please anwser this simple question. I want to get this done before bed lol. I'm trying to create a shortcut to a script that I made to turn my screen a tinted red. But the 'read' isthrowing out  a read: arg count
[11:35] <ANub> and i can't delete it as well (don't know how to delete files starting with special characters)
[11:35] <draconus2> varunendra not even sure if i'm looking for Intel partition type or else?
[11:35] <varunendra> draconus2, yes intel
[11:36] <varunendra> draconus2, if you missed the link : http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[11:36] <str> hello, need some support in suspend issues with pm-utils
[11:36] <Ben64> ANub: well the system doesn't create it, so you must have
[11:37] <draconus2> varunendra yeah trying that
[11:37] <draconus2> varunendra but it doesn't say what it means: Partition: Read error :)
[11:37] <varunendra> jgcampbell300, "MultiSystem" is the closest to YUMI
[11:37] <jgcampbell300> varunendra, ty
[11:37] <ANub> Ben64: can you tell me the way about how to delete it?
[11:37] <varunendra> draconus2, on which stage do you get that error?
[11:38] <Ben64> ANub: sudo rmdir <directory>
[11:38] <draconus2> Analyse cylinder  1523/121600: 01%
[11:38] <draconus2> Read error at 1522/229/52 (lba=24465408)
[11:38] <ANub> Ben64: that doesn't work. 'cause of special character
[11:38] <draconus2> basically it just can't read anything... wtf...
[11:39] <Ben64> ANub: escape it, or use tab completion
[11:39] <varunendra> draconus2, that is consistent with the I/O error :(
[11:39] <draconus2> varunendra deeper search does the same thing - it can't read, lots of errors
[11:39] <ANub> Ben64: nope doesn't work
[11:39] <draconus2> varunendra but if the disk is dead how come i'm still logged in there and operating the system? this is nonsense...
[11:40] <aiten_44> varunendra: you think the disk is bad?
[11:40] <varunendra> draconus2, your best bet with this kind of error is, IMHO, ddrescue.
[11:40] <draconus2> aiten_44 it can't be
[11:40] <varunendra> aiten_44, most probably it has got physical errors.
[11:40] <aiten_44> dranonus2: can you get local access to this server?
[11:40] <draconus2> varunendra actually first 5% is scanned and 100% physical errors?
[11:40] <draconus2> aiten_44 nope :/
[11:41] <varunendra> draconus2, it is just *some* bad areas, physical or logical but corrupted somehow.
[11:41] <draconus2> varunendra could it be broken sata driver?
[11:41] <Ben64> ANub: use "stat" to find the inode
[11:41] <draconus2> varunendra: perhaps there is an i/o communication issue in there?
[11:42] <varunendra> draconus2, I can't say about that, it is unlikely.
[11:42] <draconus2> varunendra how about recreating those partitions of exactly same size?
[11:42] <varunendra> draconus2, because that kind of error won't care what kind of data it is, and sooner or later will result in system crash.
[11:42] <marawan2> hello guys, i am running lubuntu and when i change the color/look of my mouse cursor from the apearance option if doens't change even after i reboot multiple times
[11:42] <aiten_44> draconus2: your home directory is a partition right you could try reinstalling but not delete that partition
[11:43] <varunendra> draconus2, if that happens to be physical error, your best bet is ddrescue at the moment, to create a recovery image for the partition/drive
[11:43] <draconus2> aiten_44 indeed... it's just a partition
[11:44] <draconus2> varunendra i think that's correct
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36298
[11:44] <draconus2> so i would want to ddresuce the partition, store it on another drive and then just reinstall the whole box
[11:44] <ANub> Ben64: stat is for files only, imo.
[11:44] <varunendra> draconus2, yes
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31603
[11:45] <Ben64> ANub: folders are files :)
[11:45] <Ben64> ANub: anyway, you can use "ls -il" if you'd like too
[11:45] <varunendra> based on dd, it will be slow too, but not as much. And it is much more smarter than dd. draconus2
[11:45] <draconus2> so it's either broken hdd and i won't be able to reinstall at all or it will work fine and then... what then? :)
[11:45] <ANub> Ben64: ive tried though but does not work. As soon as i press prompt changes to >
[11:45] <Ben64> try what? i'm just saying to get the inode
[11:46] <aiten_44> draconus2: try installing to the other drive you have reboot into that drive and then see if you can access your /home/directory from a fresh version of linux
[11:46] <ANub> Ben64: ok. ls -il did give me a number. now what??
[11:47] <Ben64> find . -inum <inode> -exec sudo rmdir {} \;
[11:47] <Ben64> do that in the root directory and be sure you have the right inode
[11:47] <marawan2> ActionParsnip: i know how to change my mouse cursor but when i do it doesnt change!!!!
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: yes, but try those, it may make it change
[11:47] <varunendra> draconus2, the image is just our last resort in case of a physical crash. If it is just some logical error, or a connectivity issue like you suspect, you can just reinstall the system (if a reboot doesn't fix it) and try testdisk again to recover the partition.
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: why all the exclamation marks?
[11:48] <draconus2> varunendra, aiten_44: but then again - how do i ddrescue a partition if the drive is broken? or at least it will start spitting out lots of errors while ddrescue is running?
[11:48] <ANub> find . -inum <inode> -exec sudo rmdir {} \;............inode is the actual number to be put in <>...correct????
[11:49] <ANub> Ben64: find . -inum <inode> -exec sudo rmdir {} \;............inode is the actual number to be put in <>...correct????
[11:49] <Ben64> yeah, but don't put it in the <'s
[11:49] <varunendra> draconus2, ddrescue can be run both from starting cylinder and ending cylinder of a defined range.
[11:49] <marawan2> marawan@marawan:~$ update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[11:49] <marawan2> There are 2 choices for the alternative x-cursor-theme (providing /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme).
[11:49] <marawan2>   Selection    Path                                     Priority   Status
[11:49] <marawan2> ------------------------------------------------------------
[11:49] <marawan2> * 0            /usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursor.theme   90        auto mode
[11:49] <FloodBot1> marawan2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:49] <varunendra> so you may try running it backwards draconus2
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> marawan2: think about it, if even 3 people did that, how useles would the channel be
[11:52] <ANub> Ben64: TY..........its gone
[11:53] <ANub> Ben64: though my laptop took much time and i thought that probably its gonna delete everything...:)
[11:53] <Ben64> theres probably a better way, but nothing else should have gotten deleted
[11:53] <Ben64> if anything, just more empty directories
[11:54] <draconus2> aiten_44, varunendra: i don't believe that this drive is broken - there can't be thousands of bad sectors starting from sector 1 that happen overnight without any prior issues that i could notice
[11:54] <draconus2> aiten_44, varunendra: i suspect some kind of i/o communication problem, perhaps broken sata driver or such
[11:54] <Ben64> draconus2: bad cable, bad motherboard, bad drive, bad power
[11:55] <varunendra> draconus2, hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
[11:55] <draconus2> Ben64 indeed... but then again, the other drive is just fine...
[11:55] <aiten_44> draconus2: I don't know what to say but something happened and the drive isn't functioning correctly
[11:55] <draconus2> aiten_44 that's absolutely true
[11:56] <aiten_44> you can try what varunendra said about dd and make a backup then reinstall might be your only option at this point
[11:57] <varunendra> who knows if it is just a reboot that is required, but given all that weirdness, anything is possible.
[11:58] <aiten_44> varunendra: I had been thinking the same thing but I don't want to say reboot if something is really wrong
[11:59] <varunendra> yeah, absolutely, could be just a good laugh at the end, but we can't be sure.
[12:01] <varunendra> draconus2, I personally have never used ddrescue. Here is all that I have so far read about it : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2154401&p=12697693#post12697693
[12:04] <yctn> hello i'm logged in a ubuntu system and when i do sudo echo "something" >> /etc/hosts i get a premisions denied anyone any idea?
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> yctn: the sudo doesn't traverse the redirect
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> yctn: the only part of your command with sudo access is the 'echo' command
[12:05] <varunendra> yctn, try echo "something" | sudo tee /etc/hosts
[12:05] <aiten_44> yctn: su -c might work
[12:05] <jrib> yctn: don't do that
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> yctn: if you use the command varunendra gave, you will get the access as you need
[12:05] <varunendra> sorry tee -a yctn
[12:05] <k1l> aiten_44: dont suggest that
[12:06] <jrib> yctn: if you want to append, use "echo something | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts" (with the -a)
[12:06] <aiten_44> k1l: ?
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> yctn: as varunendra said, use -a  so that the line is (a)dded
[12:06] <varunendra> ActionParsnip, and will overwrite the hosts file !! lol
[12:06] <draconus2> varunendra, aiten_44: i'm logged into the server hoster's panel and there is automatic monitoring system available which says: sda	1000.2 GB	OK
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> varunendra: aye and make sudo fail in future
[12:07] <varunendra> XD
[12:07] <aiten_44> draconus2: I'm not sure at this point its up to you to decide what you want to do
[12:07] <k1l> aiten_44: ubuntu doesnt have a "real" root account. the way with echo | sudo tee works way better
[12:07] <yctn> thx for the advice
[12:08] <varunendra> yctn, don't forget the "-a" :D
[12:08] <varunendra> draconus2, how does it monitor the drive? SMART status or something else?
[12:09] <draconus2> varunendra i have no clue to be honest but at least i'm sure that the drive is spinning
[12:10] <varunendra> draconus2, we are out of clues too :(
[12:10] <draconus2> varunendra i was to shy to say one more thing... i was messing up with packages the other night and it included some serious changes like libc6, also grub and mount, i never wanted to say that but perhaps that matters now?
[12:11] <draconus2> all of that because i needed newest jamalloc which would never install without that
[12:13] <varunendra> draconus2, mount may be the culprit.
[12:13] <auronandace> draconus2: needed for what?
[12:13] <yctn> and what if i wanne write a compleetly new file instead of appeen just use sudo tee without the -a option?
[12:13] <draconus2> varunendra i do think so because in the process of dependency madness resolving - i saw that mount was upgraded
[12:14] <jrib> yctn: yes
[12:14] <draconus2> varunendra also GRUB was
[12:14] <draconus2> varunendra the thing is that EVERYTHING was cool and nice when i went to bed... there was no single sign of any trouble and mission seemed accomplished
[12:15] <Ben64> draconus2: protip - don't do crazy stuff on a server
[12:15] <varunendra> draconus2, I can only doubt mount; although I'd also like to mention that I have done hundreds of recoveries from different drives so far, but the only one time that an "I/O" error turned out to be a bad connection was when I connected a drive to a cheap external usb casing.
[12:16] <draconus2> varunendra still i don't believe in a total hdd crash out of the blue and overnight when there was nothing going on on that box
[12:16] <draconus2> Ben64 i know i know
[12:17] <varunendra> draconus2, very unlikely, but not impossible..
[12:17] <draconus2> varunendra not too sure what to do next when you can't communicate with the drive... it's like failing cable or some system issue, changed geometry, lost partition table, etc.
[12:18] <varunendra> draconus2, the bottomline is - can you afford to take a chance? If not, do you have other options? ddrescue seems to be one, although not very promising if all you are getting are errors.
[12:19] <varunendra> draconus2, did testdisk show its correct geometry?
[12:19] <aiten_44> draconus2: if it worked before the upgrades and not after thats probably your problem
[12:19] <draconus2> varunendra in fact i'm getting 100% errors when trying to read that drive via testdisk so what are tha chances that ddrescue will do more than just that?
[12:20] <draconus2> varunendra all it shows is the proper ID and size of the disk
[12:20] <fundas> hi all
[12:20] <draconus2> varunendra also, i could list partitions on that drive just an hour ago and now i can't... they are gone even from fdisk -l
[12:20] <draconus2> varunendra i suspect those outputs are bogush
[12:20] <varunendra> draconus2, there is chance because ddrescue can read in reverse order, ignores errors and moves on..
[12:20] <fundas> im trying to build a shell script which will execute each line after each other (see here http://pastie.org/8109684) for some reason the shell scripts tries to execute all lines at once - does anyone know why this is the case?
[12:21] <The4ndy> Hey guys I'm back if anyone remembers me
[12:21] <The4ndy> I'm currently stuck trying to set up partitions on my laptop
[12:22] <varunendra> draconus2, of course that assumes there will be no errors when reading in reverse order. If even that gives error, then perhaps there is not much to try online.
[12:22] <export> what problems?
[12:22] <draconus2> varunendra i could as well just reinstall and then try to mount that partition right? it wouldn't make it any worse if i leave /dev/sda3 untouched when reinstalling
[12:22] <The4ndy> The installer doesn't work with default settings and it's far too complicated in advanced mode
[12:22] <export> what isn't working exactly?
[12:22] <auronandace> !partitions | The4ndy
[12:23] <varunendra> draconus2, assuming you'd be installing on the other drive ?
[12:23] <draconus2> no, the same drive
[12:23] <The4ndy> You'll have t on excuse me I'm gonna go smash this pos phone I'm on trying to irc
[12:23] <The4ndy> Brb
[12:23] <export> okay then :D
[12:24] <varunendra> draconus2, then it can be a problem..
[12:24] <varunendra> the installation
[12:24] <draconus2> varunendra how to explain the fact, that df -h still shows proper partitions and sizes?
[12:25] <TheSheriff> ok well its me the4ndy but i cant get on my nickname because its in use
[12:25] <varunendra> draconus2, that's a good sign, so was the server's monitor.
[12:26] <draconus2> varunendra yes
[12:26] <varunendra> but I don't know if it shows cached data from somewhere or in realtime
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[12:26] <TheSheriff> ok so i made a bootable USB all good turned off crappy secure boot and im into ubunutu
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[12:26] <TheSheriff> what the?
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[12:26] <export> funny
[12:26] <PieDaddy> _ruben_,
[12:26] <PieDaddy> `MArceLL`,
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[12:26] <FloodBot1> PieDaddy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
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[12:27] <TheSheriff> anyway
[12:27] <export> lol wt heck XD
[12:27] <aiten_44> draconus2 I would install to other disk and try mounting /dev/sda3 on that
[12:27] <TheSheriff> im having some trouble installing ubuntu
[12:27] <draconus2> varunendra i will try du :)
[12:27] <TheSheriff> im at the install window in ubuntu running from my USB
[12:27] <draconus2> aiten_44 yes that's an option i can always try
[12:27] <export> i'm not keen on the efi stuff :/
[12:28] <auronandace> !uefi | TheSheriff
[12:28] <varunendra> draconus2, can you still write to some partition? copy some large random data to it and see if it reflects the change.
[12:28] <draconus2> varunendra: when trying du on /root i get e.g. du: cannot access `/root/ACE/examples/IPC_SAP/FILE_SAP/Makefile.bmak': Input/output error
[12:29] <draconus2> varunendra just on every single file... even though they are visible via ls
[12:29] <TheSheriff> i have 2 HDD in my laptop a 500gb that hs like a million partitions (made by windows im assuming, i didnt make them) and a ssd that is 24gb and has two partitions and i want to wipe that completely and install ubuntu on the full 24gb
[12:29] <TheSheriff> the issue is that if i click the "install alongside windows" option i literally only hve the option of using my SSD and i can only use one of the smaller of the 2 partitions ive made\
[12:29] <draconus2> varunendra i did that before on tempfs which was still mounted in /dev/sdax - i created some text file and wrote it to disk with no problem
[12:30] <TheSheriff> when i go to the advanced partition manager thing it gets out of hand
[12:30] <moksud_xp> hellp
[12:30] <moksud_xp> hello
[12:30] <liq> i have a question unrelated to ubuntu (sorry): where can i find help regarding a noob gcc linking problem?
[12:30] <TheSheriff> i leave alone the mess of partitions i have on /dev/sba
[12:30] <TheSheriff> and i go to dev/sdb
[12:30] <moksud_xp> there is someone that can help me with ubuntu server configurations ?
[12:31] <Ben64> moksud_xp: #ubuntu-server maybe
[12:31] <TheSheriff> i "create new partiion table and that turns the two partitions into "free space"
[12:31] <varunendra> draconus2, try some large data to cause significant change in size, then see if df can reflect the change. If it does, then we should be good with a reinstall.
[12:31] <moksud_xp> okey, but what are the main difference between ubuntu server and ubuntu ?
[12:31] <TheSheriff> but if i hit install now it says there is "no root files system defined"
[12:31] <Ben64> TheSheriff: easy way would be to remove the hard drive temporarily
[12:31] <TheSheriff> and when i go to add the options for use as theres a million
[12:32] <jrib> moksud_xp: ubuntu has a gui installed by default
[12:32] <moksud_xp> so ubuntu server is more light and it doesnt have e GUI ?
[12:32] <jrib> moksud_xp: ubuntu server doesn't have a gui by default
[12:33] <moksud_xp> yeah
[12:33] <draconus2> varunendra i think that writing data to a drive in such state (logical or physical) could do some mess in there
[12:33] <TheSheriff> what does removing my non SSD harddrive do? i can tell the two apart, and im going to leave my larger non SSD alone as it has my windows install on it. the ssd was being used as scratch space and such so it just had two partitinos (15gb and like 6gb or something) and i backed up the data and now i want to install ubuntu on it
[12:33] <moksud_xp> so, I can install ubuntu on my Cloud Server and use it to have a complete web-server ?
[12:33] <draconus2> varunendra funny thing is that whatever i touch with e.g. du says: Input/output error
[12:33] <TheSheriff> but the "easy" style installer is no working and im clueless as to what to choose to set up the aprtitions myuself
[12:34] <draconus2> varunendra it just CAN'T be that everything is like bad sectores or so
[12:34] <Ben64> TheSheriff: it makes the installer easier if there is only one device to install to
[12:34] <jrib> moksud_xp: ubuntu's repositories include web servers, yes
[12:34] <varunendra> yup! lol
[12:34] <auronandace> TheSheriff: you make an ext4 partition and select it for / (root)
[12:34] <Ben64> draconus2: you probably need to undo whatever changes you did if you can, or format and start over
[12:35] <TheSheriff> auronandace: awesome
[12:35] <moksud_xp> I understand, but I need some tutorials on how to install Apache, MySQL, FTP, PHP and the other plugins to run my personal web-server
[12:35] <varunendra> draconus2, let's assume that the drive itself is perfectly okay, and it's the controller's fault. What are your options in that case?
[12:35] <jrib> !lamp | moksud_xp
[12:36] <moksud_xp> then I need to understand how to give command to my Cloud Server
[12:36] <jrib> moksud_xp: I would recommend you not use ftp.  Why do you want ftp?
[12:36] <draconus2> varunendra not too sure but i wouldn't blame any hardware and assume that it's just software issue
[12:36] <moksud_xp> I need ftp cause a website need an ftp
[12:36] <TheSheriff> did that, now i have under my dev/sdb "free space" 1mb, dev/sdb1 ext4 / (24gb) and "Free space" 0mb
[12:36] <moksud_xp> this is my website: www.deshiadda.com
[12:36] <TheSheriff> im assuming those free spaces are needed for like the boot partition?
[12:36] <moksud_xp> this website have ftp, mysql, php, ecc...
[12:36] <Ben64> moksud_xp: a website does not "need" ftp. i highly recommend you do a lot more reading before you run your own server, or it may be vulnerable to attack
[12:37] <TheSheriff> should i make another partition for anything else?
[12:37] <draconus2> varunendra the very same controller is still working with /dev/sdb flawlessly
[12:37] <jrib> moksud_xp: if you just want some way to transfer files use ssh
[12:37] <moksud_xp> now I think to buy a CLOUD SERVER, then install Ubuntu and other plugins to run my own server
[12:37] <auronandace> TheSheriff: the only partition you absolutely need is the root partition (/), swap is optional and usually recommended
[12:37] <moksud_xp> sincerly I need some good tutorials on how to run a complete web-server
[12:37] <draconus2> moksud_xp and then you are up in the sky
[12:37] <moksud_xp> I'm a univesity student...
[12:38] <jrib> moksud_xp: read the link ubottu gave you
[12:38] <TheSheriff> auronandace: yeah i just got that message, how much swap do you think i should have and what are the consiquenses of not doinmg it?
[12:38] <Ben64> TheSheriff: depends how much ram you have
[12:38] <TheSheriff> 4gb
[12:38] <moksud_xp> @jrib what link ?
[12:38] <jrib> !lamp | moksud_xp
[12:39] <auronandace> TheSheriff: if you want to be able to suspend/hibernate (i always forget which) you'll need slightly more than your rm
[12:39] <auronandace> ram
[12:39] <draconus2> varunendra is it possible to ddrescue a partition without umounting it?
[12:39] <varunendra> draconus2, my experience has bee such that I always connect an I/O error with a physical problem, even if it is a lose connection.
[12:39] <varunendra> draconus2, no. It has to be unmounted.
[12:39] <TheSheriff> auronandace: oh ok, so this isnt just for the install its like a permenant space for hibernating and such
[12:40] <TheSheriff> or sleeping, i know what you mean, im not gonna hold you to the terminology
[12:40] <draconus2> varunendra then my only option is to use another drive for fresh system installation
[12:40] <auronandace> TheSheriff: you can think of swap space as alternative ram (just slower)
[12:40] <varunendra> draconus2, if that option is available then perhaps you should go ahead.
[12:40] <moksud_xp> Okey, now i'm reading the links
[12:40] <TheSheriff> auronandace: ok awesome, i guess in theory thats prolly what this 24gb ssd is meant for in my laptop in the first place
[12:40] <moksud_xp> thanks to everyone for the help
[12:40] <moksud_xp> I come back later
[12:41] <draconus2> varunendra i do have /dev/sdb up and running, just not sure how easy it will be to install on 2nd hdd
[12:41] <draconus2> varunendra because the boot drive is set to /dev/sda in BIOS which i can't access
[12:42] <moksud_xp> Okey, can I download and install Ubuntu Server on my PC and try to run my own web-server just for a trial ?
[12:42] <simong> I'm getting 'The following packages have unmet dependencies' when trying to install a specific version of a package through apt-get (via puppet). Does anyone have an idea as what causes this and how I can fix it? (Logs @ http://pastebin.com/z020Btbe - only the upper part is relevant here)
[12:42] <TheSheriff> ok last question....im gonna go ahead and give myself about 4 gb of swap space.....im guessing i re do that ext4 / (root) parition i just did and leave 4gb open....what do i formt that to?
[12:43] <auronandace> TheSheriff: what do you need the unused space free for?
[12:43] <TheSheriff> a swap space
[12:43] <varunendra> draconus2, then trusting your luck is the only option I guess.. :)
[12:43] <auronandace> TheSheriff: you just said you'd make a 4gb swap partition
[12:44] <TheSheriff> right, but what do i format that to
[12:44] <TheSheriff> how do i set that up
[12:44] <auronandace> TheSheriff: swap
[12:44] <auronandace> TheSheriff: make a new partition and select it as swap
[12:44] <TheSheriff> auronandace: lol i didnt see it sorry
[12:44] <auronandace> TheSheriff: just like you made a new partition and selected it as ext4
[12:45] <TheSheriff> im stupid i had to scroll down
[12:45] <CalimeroTeknik> why does removing java install gnome?
[12:45] <TheSheriff> right i didnt know swap was an option sorry, i was wondering if it was ext4 or what not....ok i think i got it
[12:45] <TheSheriff> auronandace: Thanks a bunch!
[12:45] <TheSheriff> and thanks everyone else, i appreciate it a lot
[12:47] <CalimeroTeknik> I know the answer is "ubuntu, don't try to understand but still"
[12:47] <moksud_xp> how much space I need to dedicate in my partition of Linux to install ubuntu server ?
[12:48] <auronandace> !requirements | moksud_xp
[12:48] <DIIP> hw 2 install new package in ubuntu ??
[12:48] <auronandace> !software | DIIP
[12:49] <Latrina> good afternoon peps
[12:49] <Latrina> I was wondering if there's a way to sort of manage a user account or better the whole system through a browser instead of VNC
[12:49] <DIIP> wen i use sudo apt-get install gparted or any other software it details that cound not found the package..
[12:50] <Latrina> reason why where I work here I need access to a full account for a whole lot of reasons
[12:50] <Ben64> DIIP: could you pastebin the exact command and response you got
[12:50] <Latrina> as we only have access to a bloody internet explorer
[12:50] <DIIP> actually my friend uses ubuntu 13.04
[12:50] <DIIP> please help..
[12:51] <Latrina> I have been googling that for two days and no answer yet
[12:51] <Latrina> any help will be more than appreciated
[12:51] <Kitt3n> !pastebin | DIIP
[12:52] <DIIP> i dont use ubuntu..
[12:52] <setrae> hello, I experience problems with hibernate and suspend. after wakeup my filesystems are readonly and sometimes I get a cursor only. If I switch to the tty1 I get login, and if I try it stops there. My Filesystems are Read-Only then. the only solution is to kill it by forced power off. I don't know where to start...
[12:52] <k1l> DIIP: this is a ubuntu support channel :/
[12:52] <soahccc> Can anyone recommend a somewhat simple mail solution which does not involve apache (and PHP)? I just don't want to add all my accounts in something like gmail and I usually don't need a web interface either (haven't one at the moment). I saw iredmail which looks good but gives me the two things I absolutely would like to avoid
[12:52] <DIIP> my friend uses and we cant install new packages..
[12:52] <gordonjcp> soahccc: so what do you want to use as your mail client?
[12:52] <Ben64> DIIP: ok... so pastebin the exact command and response you got
[12:53] <k1l> DIIP: we need to see the errormessage to work out a solution
[12:53] <BluesKaj> soahccc, thunderbird
[12:53] <soahccc> To clarify, I'm not looking for a client here... Sorry :<
[12:53] <joy> hello , what is the best way to install nvidia 9500 gt driver in ubuntu 12.04 ? i want to install the driver from nvidia website
[12:53] <Kitt3n> soahccc, have you tried googling a linux mail server?
[12:53] <Ben64> joy: best way is through ubuntu, not from nvidia.com
[12:53] <Ben64> !nvidia | joy
[12:53] <DIIP> ok
[12:54] <ActionPa1snip> soahccc: kerio
[12:54] <soahccc> Kitt3n: Sure and I found a lot but either it is Apache & PHP stuff or it is pretty complicated. I basically just want to add my accounts and put the address into my client
[12:54] <Kitt3n> Best way is to stay away from Nvidia if you're gonna use Linux
[12:54] <ActionPa1snip> Kitt3n: never had an issue
[12:54] <Ben64> Kitt3n: not true
[12:54] <joy> thank you Ben64 , which is better to keep working with nvidia 9500 gt ? or intel 3000 hd
[12:54] <Greylocks> Latrina check out PuTTY an ssh client for Windows check here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[12:55] <tears_> hey guys can anyone here direct me to a quick and comprehensive grep tutuorial?
[12:55] <Ben64> joy: i'm sure the 9500 has better performance
[12:55] <Latrina> Greylocks: I have only access to a browser
[12:55] <joy> ok thanx
[12:55] <tears_> I'm trying to do this ls -a | grep .*~$ && ls -a | grep \.*\.swp$
[12:55] <Latrina> my whole system is a virtualized critix machine
[12:55] <Ben64> tears_: maybe try asking #bash
[12:55] <Latrina> with only IE on top of it
[12:55] <gordonjcp> tears_: have you considered using find instead?
[12:56] <tears_> but I know there is a way to put them all in the same grep command
[12:56] <Latrina> and I need access to the desktop rather than just shell
[12:56] <tears_> gordonjcp I want to write a python script that searches for these files and deletes them. I thought grep was better.
[12:57] <tears_> at startup
[12:57] <tears_> Ben64 let me join #bash
[12:58] <soahccc> ActionPa1snip: Looks a bit enterprise'ish. I just want something simple but I don't need all that fancy. I was lucky with my ispCP for a long time where I basically just added the addresses and never visted the panel again... But that's a big dependency for just emails
[12:58] <gordonjcp> tears_: grep is not python
[12:58] <gordonjcp> tears_: try asking in ##bash
[12:59] <ActionPa1snip> soahccc: roundcube? Squirrelmail
[12:59] <soahccc> I also found the I guess famous ISP mail tutorial but this is debian based and I read about a lot of problems due to the big version differences.
[13:00] <soahccc> ActionPa1snip: Well these are just frontends, aren't they?
[13:00] <tears_> gordonjcp Yeah but I thought I could use regex in python
[13:00] <ActionPa1snip> soahccc: they are fully blown email suites
[13:00] <ActionPa1snip> soahccc: zimbra and groupwise are 2 others I can think of
[13:01] <columb> How do I list free space per HDD?
[13:02] <jrib> columb: df -h
[13:02] <soahccc> ActionPa1snip: I think what I am looking for is just a decent postfix+dovecot setup but I can't find good resources for Ubuntu. I'm a bit afraid that I can't manage it to "port" a debian tutorial
[13:02] <ActionPa1snip> columb: df -h
[13:02] <columb> I can't find HDD names here. Only system folder names.
[13:02] <ActionPa1snip> columb: hdds dont have names, you cannot label drives, only partitions
[13:02] <ef5c_ef5c> tears_, maybe: grep -E '\..*(~|\.swp)$'
[13:03] <ef5c_ef5c> tears_, starts with literal dot, any number of chars, then either ~ or .swp at the end
[13:03] <ActionPa1snip> columb: mount     may show the names
[13:04] <jrib> tears_, ef5c_ef5c: I'd go with: ls *.swp *~
[13:04] <ef5c_ef5c> tears_, hmmm not really "starts with" without a beginning of line anchor in there '^.....'
[13:05] <ef5c_ef5c> jrib, heh; true
[13:17] <AlexandreMBM> My answer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5843482/
[13:19] <AlexandreMBM> I need to know how to put different permissions.
[13:20] <mumpitzel> AlexandreMBM: different permissions for what?
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> !permissions
[13:23] <smallmouse> hi what is wrong with this text ? scp test.png ssh -i test2server.pem ubuntu@xxx.compute-1.amazonaws.com home
[13:23] <smallmouse> i cant seem to transfer
[13:24] <AlexandreMBM> mumpitzel, the remount
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  it's /home/`whoami` or ~ for short
[13:25] <rypervenche> smallmouse: Get rid of the ssh
[13:25] <MonkeyDust> smallmouse  and better use rsync, it uses port 22 too
[13:26] <smallmouse> MonkeyDust: like this ? scp test.png -i test2server.pem ubuntu@xxx.compute-1.amazonaws.com/home
[13:26] <zteam> Hi guys
[13:26] <rypervenche> smallmouse: scp -i test2server.pem test.png ubuntu@xxx.compute-1.amazonaws.com:~/
[13:26] <zteam> and Gaals
[13:26] <smallmouse> rypervenche: the key before the file i am trying to transfer ?ok will try
[13:27] <zteam> I did try to install the unity-smart-scope with this guide http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/how-to-install-unity-smart-scopes-in.html
[13:27] <zteam> yesterday, but it didn't work well at all
[13:28] <Kitt3n> !details | zteam
[13:28] <theadmin> zteam: What did you expect, installing an experimental feature in an Ubuntu version which doesn't even support that feature?
[13:28] <smallmouse> rypervenche: its dont it thank you..but not sure where it has ended up on the server.  can i end it with /home or /tmp ?
[13:28] <rypervenche> smallmouse: It went into /home/ubuntu/
[13:29] <zteam> all I got was a black screen when trying to login , so I removed it with ppa-purge, which went sucessfully
[13:29] <Kitt3n> zteam, sounds like you shouldn't use it then.
[13:29] <smallmouse> rypervenche: i can kiss you, but i wont..thank you :-*
[13:29] <zteam> But now half of the time I try boot up, Ubuntu just gives me a black screen
[13:30] <rypervenche> smallmouse: But you did ~_^
[13:30] <zteam> but sometimes it just boot up perfectly
[13:30] <rypervenche> smallmouse: The ~ is the same as $HOME which is the current user's home directory, which in this case is /home/ubuntu. That final / is not necessary, but I put it.
[13:31] <zteam> My distrubution is Ubuntu 13.04
[13:31] <Kitt3n> zteam, what graphics card do you use?
[13:31] <zteam> Kitt3n, Nvidia
[13:31] <zteam> Kitt3n,  8800 GT
[13:31] <joelwallis> I want to run commands after my user, joel, log in the system. I'm in the Ubuntu 13.04 desktop edition. Is there any dotfile where I can do this?
[13:32] <zteam> Kitt3n, with the propriorarty driver
[13:32] <rypervenche> joelwallis: You can use the startup scripts or cron jobs.
[13:32] <theadmin> joelwallis: Easiest way is to add a script to Startup Applications
[13:32] <Kitt3n> zteam, okay! Sounds like something derpy happened to the kernel
[13:33] <aiten_44> joelwallis: are you wanting it to run only after your user has logged in or can it run at start up?
[13:33] <mn2010> dont derp it...
[13:33] <joelwallis> I want to run it when my user log in. It's a specific situation, for my user.
[13:33] <aiten_44> draconus: did you figure it out yet?
[13:33] <smallmouse> rypervenche: so i can use /home/ubuntu at the end to achieve the same result
[13:34] <joelwallis> And I need to run it as root.
[13:34] <zteam> Kitt3n, yeah, maybe, I even got a kernelpanic yesterday
[13:34] <joelwallis> I want to `mount --bind` some folders in my ~ directory
[13:34] <rypervenche> smallmouse: Correct. Just don't forget to use the colon : between the server and the path.
[13:34] <Kitt3n> zteam, I guess you could check if the Nivida drivers support the mainline kernels and update your kernel? :)
[13:34] <zteam> Kitt3n,  I have only used this system since yesterday
[13:34] <kingdorian> I'm trying to install ubuntu server 12.04 from an USB, but it sais it can't find a CD-ROM
[13:34] <joelwallis> Ex: `sudo mound --bind /mount/storage/joel/Downloads ~/Downloads`
[13:34] <theadmin> kingdorian: You created the USB badly.
[13:35] <smallmouse> rypervenche: ok and the key is before the file (which feels odd, but it is what it is)
[13:35] <Kitt3n> zteam, oh, so you installed it yesterday? The easy solution then is to simply reinstall Ubuntu :)
[13:35] <theadmin> kingdorian: What did you use? On Windows, you should use the PendriveLinux Universal USB Installer, on Linux you should just use dd.
[13:35] <rypervenche> smallmouse: I'm not sure if you cn put it afterward or not, but in general options "-i in this case" are placed directly after the command.
[13:35] <aiten_44> joelwallis: did you try searching at all I don't know how to do that off the top of my head if I think of something I'll let you know
[13:35] <joelwallis> rypervenche theadmin I'll try with Startups Applications. I can't see a way to do it with cron jobs
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> kingdorian  windows also has yumi
[13:36] <doomlord_> can anyone recomend a programmers text editor with windows-esque keys and ability to step through errors on a hotkey. (gedit to my knowledge can't. also gedit can't highlight a C symbol, it stops at underscores :( )
[13:36] <mn2010> joelwallis: rc.local
[13:36] <rypervenche> joelwallis: Depends on what it is you want to do.
[13:36] <kingdorian> theadmin: I've tried using unetbootin on windows 7 home premium =$
[13:36] <mn2010> starts up after services.
[13:36] <zteam> Kitt3n, yeah I know, but I was hoping to able to avoid that
[13:36] <theadmin> kingdorian: unetbootin fails half the time :/
[13:36] <theadmin> kingdorian: I suggest to avoid it
[13:36] <joelwallis> aiten_44: im searching for a while, but i found nothing really cool
[13:36] <kingdorian> ah okay, I'll try PendriveLinux then
[13:36] <MonkeyDust> doomlord_  you're expecting we know anything at all in windows
[13:36] <Kitt3n> zteam, sometimes, it is best to just reinstall, and stay with stable features.
[13:37] <usr13> rypervenche: just the : at the end is all you need ~/  is the same.
[13:37] <SuRfDaeMoN> rypervenche: I think joelwallis said he wants to mount something as root but only after a user 'joel' logs in and as root.
[13:37] <joelwallis> mn2010: what is rc.local?
[13:37] <doomlord_> "windows-esque keys" - ctrl-xcv thats all. gedit qualifies, but isn't ideal for the reasons i mention
[13:37] <theadmin> doomlord_: Try Geany.
[13:37] <joelwallis> exacly, SuRfDaeMoN
[13:38] <joelwallis> I want to mount some folders, as root, only when my user log in. And I'm in a desktop edition.
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> doomlord_  vi and vim have a lot of shortcut keys
[13:38] <mn2010> joelwallis: /etc/rc.local - its a local rc(S) that runs at the end of init. You can use it to script events at startup, if its run-time related though it has to go in cron.
[13:38] <ActionPa1snip> <3 vi
[13:38] <aiten_44> joelwallis: could you just create a script and run it when you log in or does it have to be automatic
[13:39] <philinux> doomlord_: have a try with jedit
[13:39] <ActionPa1snip> joelwallis: if you use rc.loal add the commands above the 'exit 0' line
[13:39] <doomlord_> just trying geany now,
[13:39] <joelwallis> aiten_44: i want to run it just after i log in
[13:39] <kingdorian> I'm iusing PendriveLinux now, I hope it works :P
[13:39] <philinux> doomlord_: description says Plugin-based editor for programmers
[13:39] <doomlord_> i'm working with the rust programming language which doesn't have much IDE support
[13:39] <zteam> Kitt3n, I pasted my Xerrors-session logfile here http://pastebin.com/ysejjy4F
[13:39] <Kitt3n> kingdorian, PendriveLinux works great :)
[13:39] <usr13> joelwallis: login to _____________ ?
[13:39] <joelwallis> mn2010: ActionPa1snip thanks, i'll check about rc.local here
[13:40] <joelwallis> usr13: joel
[13:40] <usr13> joelwallis: Login to GUI?
[13:40] <joelwallis> usr13: ops.. yes
[13:40] <joelwallis> gui.
[13:40] <usr13> joelwallis: If so, which one?
[13:40] <mn2010> joelwallis: rc.local is the best method for that, and just have it run RO.
[13:40] <joelwallis> ubuntu 13.04 desktop edition.
[13:40] <joelwallis> .bash_login doesnt help me, because its a gui
[13:40] <zteam> Kitt3n, ,I'm not sure if its a compiz issue or something
[13:40] <usr13> joelwallis: Most Desktop Environments have startups you can use.
[13:41] <doomlord_> geamu ;ppld [tp,odomh
[13:41] <joelwallis> ill try with rc.local
[13:41] <doomlord_> geany looks promising
[13:41] <joelwallis> but i would really appreciate some solution from my home folder. so i can easily handle many situations without affecting other accounts, and also, the system.
[13:41] <joelwallis> but if it works, whatever, i'll use that.
[13:42] <theadmin> joelwallis: As I said, use "Startup Applications". It's an app, search for it.
[13:42] <theadmin> joelwallis: You can add your scripts there
[13:42] <usr13> joelwallis: xfce has a section of Settings called "Sessopm and Startup", you can create a script and a command to it there in the "Sessions" field.  (Other DE's have something similar.)
[13:43] <doomlord_> ok great , geany has stepping through errors, i'm happy.
[13:43] <joelwallis> i'll try with startup apps..
[13:43] <joelwallis> brb
[13:43] <usr13> joelwallis: If you use rc.local, it will not be done when you login as joel, unless you specify it so.
[13:45] <yctn> how can i let bash change stuff in crontab -e is that a file somehwere?
[13:48] <kingdorian> Nope, it still tells me the usb couldn't be mounted :(
[13:51] <mn2010> yctn: no, Crontab is a service. it has to be either entered via a script to enter it via >> EOF:<< format or manually.
[13:51] <mn2010> the Temporary file created each time crontab is edited is random...
[13:53] <usr13> yctn: But you can have the cron entry pointing to a scipt that you write on your own.
[13:54] <usr13> yctn: ... and change as you see fit.
[13:54] <the_eye_> Any way to kill a process in "Uninterruptible sleep" or state D ?
[13:56] <ActionPa1snip> the_eye_: could kill its parent
[13:56] <panino> hello
[13:56] <zgreg> multiarch libraries  don't appear to install symlinks from libfoo.so to the actual library version
[13:56] <panino> do you read me?
[13:56] <zgreg> this breaks linking
[13:56] <poee> how can I add one specific word in front of every line in a .txt file?
[13:56] <dvyal> the_eye_, I guess to kill such a process means to kill a kernel :)
[13:56] <rypervenche> panino: Yep
[13:56] <ActionPa1snip> panino: yes, we see you
[13:56] <zgreg> why is that so? what's the proper way to compile with this kind of setup?
[13:56] <panino> is there gcc 4.8 deb for ubuntu?
[13:56] <the_eye_> ActionPa1snip, how I find its parent ?
[13:57] <the_eye_> dvyal, Its firefox
[13:57] <ActionPa1snip> the_eye_: 3rd colomn is the parent pid
[13:57] <rypervenche> panino: I don't think you can get it in Ubuntu. I don't even have it available in Gentoo.
[13:57] <ActionPa1snip> the_eye_: tried:  killall -9 firefox
[13:58] <ActionPa1snip> !ppa | panino
[13:58] <dvyal> the_eye_,  your process is waiting for system call return.
[13:58] <the_eye_> ActionPa1snip, not working, even with sudo
[13:58] <maroloccio> how do i install a package (e.g. `cricket', or `mrtg') and disable it temporarily? (i should mention: not just update-rc.d name disable, really disable everything about it, for instance disable all cron jobs, ...)
[13:58] <Guest43193> Trying to do dpkg-reconfigure -flow unattended-upgrades, I get the error message: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Low
[13:59] <dvyal> the_eye_, so it's the kernel who is guilty.
[13:59] <Guest43193> Done this a thousand times, the exact same way, on many servers. First time ever I see that error.
[13:59] <the_eye_> dvyal, ok but firefox is closed
[13:59] <somsip> poee: using sed. I don't have much experience but it would be something like sed '/(.*)/something($1)/' testfile.
[13:59] <dvyal> the_eye_, so did kill -9 help?
[13:59] <Kyo> FUCK U MOTHER!!!
[13:59] <Kyo> can i??
[13:59] <ActionPa1snip> the_eye_: tried kill -9 on the PID of the browser?
[14:00] <Kyo> YES
[14:00] <Kyo> YES
[14:00] <Kyo> I TRYED
[14:00] <Kyo> FUCK U
[14:00] <the_eye_> dvyal, I had 3.8.0-26-generic. No kill -9 didn't do anything.
[14:00] <FloodBot1> Kyo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:00] <ActionPa1snip> !ops | kyo
[14:00] <Guest43193> Doh, nevermind, typo. :P
[14:00] <mrvisser> Hello, I'm using apt-get to install package dsc=1.1.5. That package depends on cassandra <= 1.1.5, which *is* available in my sources, though there are more recent versions available (i.e., 1.2). Now, when I install dsc=1.1.5, would it be expected that apt-get would select cassandra=1.1.5 as an extra package? or would it select 1.2 and give an error of unmet dependencies?
[14:00] <kingdorian> It is still not working :(
[14:01] <dvyal> the_eye_, do you have an nfs or smbfs mounted?
[14:01] <mn2010> dont just sigterm, sent a sigflt if it wont close.
[14:01] <the_eye_> dvyal, No I haven't only ext4
[14:02] <the_eye_> mn2010, how ?
[14:03] <ActionPa1snip> mrvisser: is the package from a PPA
[14:03] <mrvisser> ActionPa1snip: no, it is from a non-debian repo, though.
[14:03] <mrvisser> or, non-ubuntu, I suppose
[14:04] <ActionPa1snip> mrvisser: thats probably why you are geting the issue
[14:04] <dvyal> the_eye_, can you reproduce this situation? If you can, you can attach strace and see which syscall hangs.
[14:04] <mrvisser> ActionPa1snip: Interesting. Is there a way I can increase the priority of that 3rd party repo?
[14:04] <rypervenche> mrvisser: man apt_preferences
[14:04] <mrvisser> actually, cassandra=1.1.5+ is in the standard debian repos
[14:05] <mrvisser> it's dsc that is not in the standard repos
[14:05] <mumpitzel> dsc are "description files". why would the be
[14:05] <mrvisser> mumpitzel: dsc is a package name that stands for DataStax Community
[14:06] <mrvisser> well, it's actually "dsc1.1".. I just wanted to reduce confusion from the conversation
[14:06] <the_eye_> dvyal, I also notice this in dmesg http://pastebin.com/C8gDjRmi
[14:06] <mumpitzel> that's not in debian either, at least not in sid
[14:07] <Mrdarknezz> Hey, anyone know any good external monitoring tools for ubuntu server?
[14:07] <mumpitzel> mrvisser: you can change priorities with apt pinning
[14:07] <mrvisser> mumpitzel: right, so dsc1.1 is not in the regular repos
[14:07] <mrvisser> it's in a 3rd party
[14:07] <ActionPa1snip> mrvisser: it will use the latest version number
[14:07] <mrvisser> ActionPa1snip: I see, so apt-get will always use the latest for extra packages, regardless of the "core package" version is incompatible?
[14:08] <mumpitzel> by default apt will always use the highest version number, yes
[14:08] <mumpitzel> unless you override that with specifying a direct version, pinning, etc
[14:09] <mrvisser> mumpitzel: that statement is too vague to convince me we're on the same page :) so if I do "apt-get install cassandra", it will install the latest version. but if I do apt-get install "dsc=1.1.5" which depends on cassandra <= 1.1.5, apt-get will still pick the latest available?
[14:09] <mrvisser> sorry for the requestioning. just want to be certain, as the timing that I've run into this problem is strange
[14:09] <ActionPa1snip> mrvisser: yes,its a simpl creature, makes checking for updates easy too, you can tell it to install certain version umbers with extra options if memory serves
[14:09] <mumpitzel> no, dependencies override this of course
[14:10] <mrvisser> errm
[14:10] <mumpitzel> provided cassandra 1.1.5 or lower is actually available
[14:10] <dvyal> the_eye_, something is wrong with the kernel. Or maybe your hdd.
[14:10] <mumpitzel> which you can check with apt-cache policy cassandra
[14:10] <mrvisser> right mumpitzel, it is. Did you catch my original question?
[14:10] <mrvisser> mumpitzel: will do, one sec
[14:11] <mrvisser> will have to rebuild a vagrant image for this unfortunately. might be a few minutes.
[14:11] <dvyal> the_eye_, you see, there is a call to ext4_load_journal in all the stack dumps
[14:12] <aether> Hi, does evolution with ews support exchange 2010? Thanks
[14:13] <the_eye_> dvyal, I also have mysql working in this pc. It would be more possible to crash mysql than firefox because a bad hdd !
[14:13] <kro[au]> Having some issues with the fglrx driver in Ubuntu 13.04. I'm loosing the unit launcher and top bar. I've tried a number of things (unity --replace | reconfiguring xorg | aticonfig). I can use the desktop and icons as intended. Not sure how to bring the unity stuff back.
[14:13] <reisio> aether: ews?
[14:14] <edulix> hi
[14:14] <edulix> if I want to install ubuntu with deboostrap, 64 bits, 1204 version, what would be the command? I have this one, for an old version
[14:14] <edulix> debootstrap --arch=i386 oneiric ubuntu-oneiric1104-i386
[14:14] <aether> reisio: exchange web services, it's a plugin for evolution that's supposed to support all the unique exchange features, like ldap address, book, shared calandars etc..
[14:16] <reisio> aether: really, not heard of it, only the mapi thing
[14:17] <ow> Hi, need help. Ubuntu 12.04LTS, it's quit booting properly, best I can tell it's a video card related issue. I thiiiiink I've got proprietary drivers in use, because kernel logs include "module nvidia taints kernel". Biggest issue is, it won't even do failsafeX - "no screens found", and a mention of ignoring vesa which is already bound to a kernel module, or something along those lines. What should I do?
[14:17] <reisio> aether: or is that one in the same?
[14:18] <aether> reisio: ews is supposed to replace mapi.
[14:19] <reisio> fancy
[14:19] <SuRfDaeMoN> edulix: have you looked over this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[14:19] <reisio> aether: got a link?
[14:19] <aether> https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution/EWS
[14:19] <edulix> SuRfDaeMoN: yeah, I just made it  work thnaks
[14:19] <reisio> the guys at work just switched to exchange (/me headdesks)
[14:19] <reisio> and I've been using Thunderbird with it
[14:19] <sneex> Hey any one actually got the ICAClient to work?
[14:19] <reisio> but it's not 100%
[14:19] <aether> reisio: the page is a bit slim on helpfull information
[14:20] <reisio> oh this wiki
[14:20] <reisio> nobody edits this wiki :p
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> ow: how about booting into a previous kernel from grub?
[14:20] <aether> reisio: do you use imap/smtp with thunderbird?
[14:20] <reisio> aether: I forget, there's an extension, exquilla, that manages the account creation
[14:20]  * reisio checks
[14:21] <ow> lotuspsychje: I'll try that, but I'm guessing what I need to do is ensure that the nvidia module never gets loaded during boot time, and I'm not sure how to do that (it's getting loaded even when I boot into recovery mode)
[14:21] <aether> reisio: thanks
[14:21] <reisio> aether: it's listed as its own thing, no 'server type', so potentially a separate implementation
[14:22] <reisio> I wanted to give evolution a try but I can't without driving _into_ work and booting up the nix box :)
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> ow: can you enter a shell from recovermode?
[14:22]  * reisio shakes head
[14:22] <reisio> aether: anyways if a plugin for Thunderbird does this much, my guess is evolution does more
[14:22] <mrvisser> ping ActionPa1snip mumpitzel: https://gist.github.com/mrvisser/5928181
[14:23] <reisio> there's another plugin, IIRC, called 'lightning' that fills in some other gaps
[14:23] <mrvisser> there is apt-cache policy cassandra, as well as the original error
[14:23] <ow> lotuspsychje: tried using the oldest kernel I had, still no luck with failsafeX (and it's still loading nvidia). Yes I can access shell
[14:23] <sneex> ow:  did you try blacklisting it?  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> ow: you might ask in channel howto undo your nvidia module from the shell
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> !blacklist | ow
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> sneex: tnx for the tip
[14:24] <sneex> k
[14:25] <richard_head> hi guys! my pcsx-r tekken 3 has NO SOUND and runs in SLOW MOTION... whats up??? :)
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> !details | richard_head
[14:26] <axsuul> Why is that natty is missing from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/?
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> !eol | axsuul
[14:26] <OerHeks> axsuul, natty 11.04 is EOL
[14:26] <MonkeyDu1t> axsuul  because it's !eol, dead
[14:27] <richard_head> ok.. (a) pcsx-r running tekken 3 has no sound and is running in slow motion; (b) ubuntu karmic; (c) output... nothing it just does the no sound and slow motion; (d) i expect it to run with sound and not in slow motion... :)
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> axsuul: but we highly recommend you 12.04 LTS or 13.04
[14:27] <sneex> :) Lets try that:  Im on 13,0 and runnig Citrix  ICAClient version 12 but the remote server times out only after a few seconds... any ideas what it could be on my end?  (then powers that be won't chamges their side, they feel its perfect)  lol
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> richard_head: see above karmic is also eol
[14:28] <axsuul> Thanks guys
[14:29] <richard_head> eol = end of life ??
[14:29] <smallmouse> maybe a server question maybe not, drupal install i think i can work with command line - can i remove phpmyadmin completely from the system
[14:29] <smallmouse> or how to avoid any access to it
[14:29] <axsuul> Why does hardy still get supported? Is it cause LTS? I thought it's only 3 years
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> richard_head: yes sir, we recommend you to upgrade mate (or clean install new version)
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> !hardy | axsuul
[14:30] <richard_head> ok.. thanks lotuspsychje!
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> axsuul: see the supported versions in topic mate
[14:30] <ActionPa1snip> axsuul: its not supported in any way, tis dead
[14:30] <aether> reisio: thanks, what was the plugin for thunderbird called?
[14:30] <zertyuio> i try to u
[14:31] <ActionPa1snip> axsuul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[14:31] <zertyuio> i try to configure rsa key on ubuntu pc
[14:31] <zertyuio> unfortunately i can't
[14:31] <MonkeyDu1t> axsuul  type /topic
[14:31] <zertyuio> what i have to do ?
[14:31] <reisio> aether: exquilla, IIRC
[14:31] <reisio> aether: it's the only plugin that shows up if you search for 'exchange', IIRC :p
[14:31] <rypervenche> zertyuio: For SSH?
[14:31] <zertyuio> echo hello
[14:32] <zertyuio> yes for ssh rypervenche
[14:32] <rypervenche> zertyuio: Try something like "ssh-keygen -t rsa"
[14:32] <axsuul> Thanks
[14:32] <zertyuio> well let me explain the problem i try to deploy rsa key on my ubuntu for the first time
[14:33] <giwrgaras> when all you get from an ubuntu is a permanent purple screen what do you do?
[14:33] <sneex> smallmouse:  Try --  <Files phpmyadmin>  Order allow,deny    Deny from all    </Files> # Those are in a Apache config
[14:33] <mrvisser> ActionPa1snip: Given this gist: https://gist.github.com/mrvisser/5928181   <= from what I understood what you said, even if the dsc1.1 package's dependency on cassandra was version 1.1.5, is it correct that apt-get selected 1.2.6, even when 1.1.5 was available?
[14:33] <rypervenche> zertyuio: Ok, and what is not working for you?
[14:33] <zertyuio> but i as i delete the authorized_keys
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> giwrgaras: try to hold shift at boot to enter grub and try a failsafeX from recoverymode
[14:34] <zertyuio> i try to reconfigure but won't work
[14:34] <ow> sneex: Trying the blacklist route now
[14:34] <sneex> k
[14:34] <zertyuio> i generate the key using putty key gen
[14:34] <rypervenche> zertyuio: Ok, there are two ways you can do this. You can manually copy the line from your ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub or you can run the ssh-copy-id command.
[14:34] <zertyuio> i m on windows
[14:34] <hd5770> i love ubuntu
[14:34] <rypervenche> oh, putty key...I'm not sure if that's the same.
[14:34] <zertyuio> i using putty to connect my ubuntu pc
[14:35] <zertyuio> i m also using pageant
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> !yay | hd5770
[14:35] <mrvisser> ActionPa1snip: actually, I'm seeing from the policy output that the cassandra versions are indeed coming from the 3rd party repo
[14:35] <rypervenche> zertyuio: You'll need to ask someone else here who knows if putty keys will work in the authorized_keys file.
[14:35] <mrvisser> does that mean it won't do the selection properly?
[14:35] <no_gravity> Good Afternoon! After doing "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" how do I know if i have to reboot the machine for all changes to take effect?
[14:35] <giwrgaras> 13.04 or 12.10 ? which is better to reinstall?
[14:35] <rypervenche> no_gravity: sudo checkrestart
[14:35] <zertyuio> it works well before
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: normally it should tell you
[14:36] <zertyuio> but not actually
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> !best | giwrgaras
[14:36] <no_gravity> rypervenche: bash: checkrestart: command not found
[14:36] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: define "it"
[14:36] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  they're both non-LTS, so i'd go for the newest, 13.04
[14:36] <rypervenche> no_gravity: It has lto be installed. But if you updated the kernel, you need to reboot.
[14:36] <giwrgaras> im interested in stability
[14:36] <giwrgaras> i had 12.04 that just died on me
[14:36] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  then you're good in linux
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: oh you updated from terminal my bad
[14:37] <giwrgaras> oh a comedian
[14:37] <giwrgaras> nice
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> giwrgaras: all supported versions in topic are stable mate
[14:37] <somsip> giwrgaras: lag happens. Less sarcasm might be more polite
[14:38] <ow> evenn with nvidia blacklisted, it's still being loaded - possibly I guess in the initrd/initramfs? Is there a way to blacklist it from the kernel boot line?
[14:38] <ow> i.e. from grub
[14:38] <k1l> giwrgaras: it would be way more efficient to work out what the issue is than make a new install over and over again
[14:38] <ActionPa1snip> ow: do you mean nouveau or nvidia?
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> ow: its really odd failsafeX wont bypass this..
[14:39] <wheatthin> ow, did you have it generated in xorg.conf?
[14:39] <ow> oh, and nvidia is DEFINITELY the problem, because I tried rmmod nvidia  and then loaded failsafex, and that worked.
[14:39] <giwrgaras> the problem is i cannot login it doesnt do anything
[14:39] <k1l> giwrgaras: you see the login screen?
[14:39] <giwrgaras> it tries to log in but it stays in the purple color
[14:39] <giwrgaras> it doesnt load, i let it load for about 15minutes
[14:40] <k1l> giwrgaras: what did you do berfore that happend? did you boot with nosplash and removed the quiet from boot parameters
[14:40] <ActionPa1snip> ow: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[14:40] <giwrgaras> im a new user i had it for about a week or so
[14:40] <k1l> what did you do? "nothing" is no option :)
[14:40] <giwrgaras> from the beggining i had a prob with my browsers, first chromium then firefox
[14:40] <ow> failsafeX doesn't seem to like my mouse, though ._. ActionPa1snip 1 sec, but I know it's got 12.04LTS i386 if that's what you're looking for
[14:41] <giwrgaras> i uninstalled chromium, then i had the same black screen problems with the firefox browser
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> ow: did you upgrade or clean install your ubuntu version?
[14:41] <giwrgaras> from my windows 8 i installed it
[14:41] <giwrgaras> my first install
[14:41] <giwrgaras> ubuntu 12.04
[14:41] <ow> /etc/issue: Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS \n \l
[14:42] <Akuw> i am using a wimax internet provider, how can i configure a server and see it from everywhere ?
[14:42] <ow> lotuspsychje: clean-installed 12.04 a number of months ago
[14:42] <MonkeyDu1t> Akuw  #ubuntu-server
[14:42] <Vinnie_win> How do I get to the software installer through the interface?
[14:43] <k1l> giwrgaras: is that a wubi install?
[14:43] <giwrgaras> i think so if you mean by windows install
[14:43] <reisio> Vinnie_win: hrmm?
[14:43] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  wubi is not a real installation
[14:43] <reisio> Vinnie_win: oh, it's one of the icons on the left, isn't it
[14:43] <reisio> Vinnie_win: or hit alt+f2 and type 'software'
[14:43] <ActionPa1snip> ow: did you run:   sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:44] <k1l> giwrgaras: ok, then make a real install on own paritions. the windows-install is very unstable and not supported with windows8
[14:44] <Vinnie_win> reisio: I want to install sublime text but I was advised not to do it the "Windows way" (i.e. download a binary installer and run it). So how do I install Sublime text the "right" way?
[14:44] <ow> I'm going to continue to worry about this later, I've at least gotten a good start via rmmod nvidia
[14:44] <giwrgaras> yeah but whats the point of it if it dies suddently?  to torture new users? what do you suggest
[14:44] <Vinnie_win> reisio: "Ubuntu Software Center?" I tried that but when I look for Sublime Text its not there
[14:44] <giwrgaras> im thinking of going on 13.04
[14:44] <miss_Lonely> ....
[14:44] <devinceble> Akuw: wimax globe?
[14:44] <reisio> Vinnie_win: sublime text might not be in any repo
[14:44] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  we suggest to install ubuntu on its own space, not inside windows
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> miss_Lonely: what can we help you with?
[14:44] <reisio> Vinnie_win: proprietary software often does not make it in
[14:44] <k1l> giwrgaras: its for testing. not for keeping it along time
[14:45] <giwrgaras> also this was convenient because i could access my windows files, music everything
[14:45] <giwrgaras> can i do something like that with a normal install??
[14:45] <k1l> giwrgaras: you can from a real install, too
[14:45] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  it's possible with a normal installation, too
[14:45] <giwrgaras> thats great
[14:45] <reisio> Vinnie_win: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/sublime
[14:46] <reisio> Vinnie_win: ask ubottu about
[14:46] <giwrgaras> ok i hope that was the problem, and also that the load times will improve this time
[14:46] <reisio> Vinnie_win: ahem, about 'ppa'
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> is there an alternative for wubi yet, or should windows users still mess with unetbootin?
[14:46] <reisio> there's w32-loader
[14:46] <ActionPa1snip> lotuspsychje: a real install is my suggestion, even virtualbox (in my eyes) is a better solution
[14:46] <Vinnie_win> reisio: How did you find that?
[14:46] <k1l> lotuspsychje: imho there is only real install or a live-cd/usb
[14:46] <reisio> Vinnie_win: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sublime%22%20%222.0.1%22%20%22deb%22
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> ok
[14:47] <Vinnie_win> deb?
[14:47] <reisio> Vinnie_win: .deb, it's _roughly_ equivalent to '.exe', but for Debian systems like Ubuntu
[14:47] <MonkeyDu1t> lotuspsychje  and windows has yumi
[14:47] <giwrgaras> is it easy to install from a dvd?
[14:47] <reisio> Vinnie_win: it's an installer that can be used by the package manager
[14:47] <reisio> Vinnie_win: as opposed to a .bin, say, which ignores the package manager entirely
[14:47] <giwrgaras> like a win installation?
[14:47] <reisio> giwrgaras: yes
[14:47] <Vinnie_win> Reisio: Cool. This is looking better
[14:48] <reisio> Vinnie_win: usually for things that aren't in the official repos, if they're remotely popular or useful, there's still a .deb to be had somewhere
[14:48] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  yes, boot from dvd or usb and follow the instruction -- partitioning is the hardest part, make sure you have a separate /home partition
[14:48] <reisio> only very rarely must you resort to installing an upstream .bin or build from source, etc.
[14:48] <giwrgaras> no i dont
[14:48] <giwrgaras> damn
[14:48] <reisio> giwrgaras: you don't what?
[14:49] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  ubuntu installs faster and smoother than windows
[14:49] <giwrgaras> i see on installation type a very easy text box like this one with 3 options
[14:49] <giwrgaras> along side win, replace or other
[14:49] <giwrgaras> is that all
[14:49] <giwrgaras> then thats great
[14:49] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  choose other
[14:49] <Vinnie_win> reisio: Thanks a ton. Okay so my go-to action would be to search for the <thing> and "deb"
[14:50] <rypervenche> Vinnie_win: Or even "ubuntu <thing>"
[14:50] <reisio> Vinnie_win: yes, usually you can search for "packageName-knownLatestVersion.deb", even
[14:50] <reisio> Vinnie_win: but with sublime text I wasn't sure what the name'd be, having two words
[14:50] <MonkeyDu1t> !partition > giwrgaras
[14:50] <dimitern> hey, anyone knows where the channel for ubuntu touch team?
[14:50] <MonkeyDu1t> !touch
[14:50] <Vinnie_win> wow now I have sublime text this ubuntu is starting to very closely resemble my visual studio development setup!
[14:50] <giwrgaras> ok
[14:50] <reisio> dimitern: /msg alis list *ubunt*touch*
[14:50] <dimitern> thanks!
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> ah on official website they recommend this to create usb from windows: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[14:51] <holstein> lotuspsychje: i like unetbootin
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> holstein: what would be easiest way for beginners to deal with
[14:52] <holstein> lotuspsychje: sometimes "easiest" is a matter of opinion, and use case... and hardware support.. etc
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> holstein: unetbootin or that pendrive linux usb
[14:53] <ActionPa1snip> lotuspsychje: if you use Win7, resize your NTFS in Windows then install to the freed space
[14:53] <holstein> lotuspsychje: i think booting an iso and installing an operating system is something that is too difficult for most, personally.. since they have *never* done it to use any other OS
[14:53] <giwrgaras> also one more time please.. cause i had 12.04 and im a bit scared of them. are they the safer choice from 13.04 and 12.04? i just need something stable to be sure about it and not worry if it dies on me
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> ActionPa1snip: just wanted to know what we can suggest the best to windows users to have an easy switch to ubuntu creating an usb stick
[14:54] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  13.04 is very nice and stable to use
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> lotuspsychje: usb can be used, make as big a persistance as possible and keep browser cache in tempfs :)
[14:54] <holstein> giwrgaras: the reason to choose 13.04 is becuase its newer.. the reason to choose 12.04 is becuase its supported longer.. thats really about it, other than preference and hardware support or features
[14:55] <giwrgaras> what do you mean supported longer? after 7 months the other is not supported?
[14:55] <holstein> !lts | giwrgaras
[14:55] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  idd, 13.04 support ends in january 2014
[14:55] <giwrgaras> ouch
[14:56] <giwrgaras> then what a newer comes out?
[14:56] <holstein> giwrgaras: plenty of time to move the 13.10..
[14:56] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  13.10 in october 2013, then 14.04 LTS in april 2014
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> giwrgaras: im using 13.04 64bit and its rocketfast :p
[14:57] <Guest5568> 13.04 is working pretty well for me as well. It is a bit slow and jumpy when playing videos though. I have installed the latest nVidia driver and still have the  same problem with videos...
[14:58] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/listen_to_yourself.png
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> Guest5568: on what grafix card chipset?
[14:58] <MonkeyDu1t> wrong link
[14:58] <MonkeyDu1t> giwrgaras  http://ubuntuone.com/4ayHg2YG9X77HXtehm8Mts
[14:58] <holstein> Guest5568: videos? or flash videos??
[14:58] <giwrgaras> lol
[14:58] <Guest5568> Youtube videos, videos I have downloaded too
[14:58] <Guest5568> nVidia 9800GT
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> Guest5568: you playing them with vlc?
[14:59] <tmos> I will try vlc now
[14:59] <giwrgaras> i hope though canonical will move more towards the lens direction
[14:59] <giwrgaras> great idea
[15:00] <giwrgaras> really like those things
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> giwrgaras: you can surely discuss that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:00] <giwrgaras> ok
[15:01] <tmos> It is the same with vlc, there is a line across the middle of the screen and the picture is jumpy. It only started to happen after I installed Cinnamon 1.8 I think
[15:01] <jsplifer> Hello, I am afraid I will break something if I add the output generated in nvidia setup to xorg.conf.d... I need brightness control... am I being silly in thinking the startup nvidia-settings will be in conflict by adding the config file to conf.d?
[15:02] <holstein> tmos: i would purge any ppa's you have added, and confirm
[15:02] <tmos> Ok, thanks. I will try that now.
[15:03] <holstein> jscott1989: i would say, know how to revert those changes, and how to edit those files from a live CD, or the recovery console, and you can experiement without "fear"
[15:03] <jscott1989> holstein: presumably that wasn't aimed at me? :p
[15:03] <jsplifer> me
[15:04] <holstein> jscott1989: yup.. appologies.. you see it jsplifer :)
[15:09] <soahccc> I just thought give Citadel a try... It asks briefly for configuration on installation but it just ignore every setting and now I have no clue where can I find the config of it... :<
[15:11] <holstein> soahccc: did it look like this? http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/installation:easyinstall:start ..i would ask them where the manaual has been moved
[15:13] <soahccc> holstein: I used the ubuntu package... But I guess I just solved it by rerun dpkg-reconfigure...
[15:16] <soahccc> But I think it's screwed in other aspects as well (interface can't communicate with server). I thought the all-in-one solution would just work :(
[15:19] <holstein> soahccc: i would probably start here http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:system_administration_manual and then try a server channell
[15:20] <soahccc> holstein: Thanks ;) But this kind of scroll bar is what I've tried to avoid
[15:21] <holstein> soahccc: i dont know what you mean by "scroll bar"
[15:22] <giwrgaras> i downloaded the iso. i have to mount it first with daemon tools and then burn it in a cd? /clueless :/
[15:23] <soahccc> holstein: I only gave Citadel a try because I thought "they have everything on board, this should just work"... I don't really need the whole thing I just want an simple mailserver...
[15:23] <reisio> giwrgaras: no
[15:23] <giwrgaras> just burn the iso?
[15:23] <reisio> giwrgaras: yeah :)
[15:23] <reisio> giwrgaras: or if you've got a USB stick, that'd be even better
[15:23] <giwrgaras> unfortunately not
[15:23] <BluesKaj> giwrgaras, no need for daemon tool s
[15:23] <giwrgaras> only a last dvd
[15:23] <holstein> soahccc: the reason to use citadel is the BBS.. otherwise, i would use a more current and arguably more/better supported mail server
[15:24] <SonikkuAmerica> giwrgaras: Use Windows Disc Image Burner or CDBurnerXP from Windows.
[15:24] <reisio> giwrgaras: also FFR if you're stuck on Windows, ImDisk is bettah! http://www.ltr-data.se/opencode.html/#ImDisk
[15:24] <reisio> (than daemon-tools)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> imgburn
[15:25] <soahccc> holstein: Yeah I asked for recommendations some hours ago but they are either complicated as hell (no help at all, bare config hacking) or need apache&PHP for all the fancy webmail stuff
[15:25] <reisio> I think recent versions of Windows can burn images on their own
[15:25] <holstein> soahccc: there are all kinds of "ready to use" appliances here http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ that are educational, if nothing else.. they are ubuntu based, and run live.. so anything you would find there would be useable in stock ubuntu
[15:25] <giwrgaras> reisio yes
[15:26] <Kartagis> what does "Ambigious output redirect" mean when all I want to do is ssh-copy-id?
[15:26] <Chadman> sex!
[15:26] <Chadman> drums!
[15:27] <Chadman> linux!
[15:27] <Chadman> terminal!
[15:27] <FloodBot1> Chadman: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:27] <reisio> chadi: d) all of the above
[15:28] <niel> Does anyone know how to resize ubuntu its to long on the bottem and the screen vuts it off
[15:28] <niel> *cuts
[15:29] <soahccc> holstein: Hmm I noticed my beloved gitlab there but under email there is just one entry "phpList" which is some sort of email campaign manager.
[15:29] <DJones> chamunks: Enough trolling
[15:29] <DJones> chamunks: Sorry, wrong tab complete
[15:30] <holstein> soahccc: you wont recieve "better" information in this channel that what you would searching "ubuntu mail server" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[15:31] <holstein> soahccc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Squirrelmail is the one ive always heard referenced.. running your own mail server is not trivial, and is something that you dont "set and forget".. or expect to "click and run"
[15:33] <tears_> How advisable is it to delete all .swp files in the system at start up. I have realised that there are some created by other programs as well. Will they be re-generated by the programs that created tehm after I delete them at startup?
[15:34] <tears_> both .swp and *~ files
[15:36] <soahccc> holstein: I know that. The thing is that I just can't understand why email is (imho) this more complicated than every other server or service I setup and maintained before... I said before that I'm also willing to exercise something like the "ISP mail tutorial" which is based on debian and I found a lot of people getting trouble due to huge version differences... Squirelmail is exactly that what I don't want. Though it requires the
[15:36] <soahccc> things I would like to have (mta & mda). I'm an IMAP guy, no need for an webinterface. I just can't find good resources for ubuntu (iredmail with the option of not installing the apache/php/roundcube thing would be ideal I suppose)
[15:38] <giwrgaras> burn image or compilations?
[15:38] <giwrgaras> compilation*
[15:38] <auronandace> giwrgaras: image
[15:38] <Laurenceb> hi
[15:38] <Laurenceb> can anyone help me please?
[15:38] <Laurenceb> firefox ate all my ram
[15:39] <holstein> soahccc: i would /join a server channel and be very patient, and ready for most to say "dont run your own mail server".. or, "your isp agreement is not one that allows you to run a mail server". good luck
[15:39] <holstein> Laurenceb: close firefox
[15:39] <Laurenceb> i need to restart my window manager
[15:39] <Laurenceb> and turn on swap
[15:39] <Laurenceb> as currently i have no swap for some reason
[15:39] <Laurenceb> so can someone help me?
[15:40] <Laurenceb> metacity... something?
[15:40] <holstein> Laurenceb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[15:40] <Laurenceb> i need to fix window manager first priority
[15:40] <Laurenceb> currently machine is unusable
[15:40] <Laurenceb> i need to save my work
[15:41] <Laurenceb> the fact that i had lost my swap is the reason firefox's memory leaks were able to break it so badly
[15:41] <Laurenceb> firefox has so many memory leaks :(
[15:42] <ActionPa1snip> Laurenceb: if you run:  sudo fdisk -l   do you see a swap space?7
[15:42] <Laurenceb> so i need metacity --replace or something?
[15:42] <soahccc> holstein: Thank you anyway. I think I just throw my mails to some random provider (doesn't seem to make a difference which one looking at latest events ;) ). I don't have penguins in my veins but I think I'm not a total dumb either... Anyway I'll see what I can do
[15:42] <holstein> Laurenceb: if you are not happy with firefox, dont use it.. what are you trying to restart? unity? ubuntu 13.04?
[15:42] <ActionPa1snip> Laurenceb: if you then run:  cat /etc/fstab   do you see the same swap space mentioned in there?
[15:43] <Laurenceb> i need to restart metacity
[15:44] <Kartagis> what does "Ambigious output redirect" mean when all I want to do is ssh-copy-id?
[15:44] <auronandace> Laurenceb: are you sure metacity is your window manager?
[15:44] <Laurenceb> yes
[15:44] <Laurenceb> 100%
[15:44] <holstein> Laurenceb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Metacity
[15:44] <auronandace> Laurenceb: what release are you using?
[15:44] <Laurenceb> no web browser sorry
[15:44] <niel> does anyone know how to do a more custom configuration of screen size?
[15:44] <Laurenceb> i have irssi from terminal as no window manager
[15:44] <niel> other than the GUI
[15:44] <Laurenceb> 10.04
[15:44] <reisio> niel: xrandr?
[15:44] <Kartagis> Laurenceb: you can install lynx
[15:44] <auronandace> Laurenceb: no longer supported on desktop
[15:45] <Laurenceb> seriously
[15:45] <Laurenceb> sigh
[15:45] <Kartagis> Laurenceb: it's a terminal browser
[15:45] <auronandace> Laurenceb: yes
[15:45] <niel> reisio, is that another application?
[15:45] <ef5c_ef5c> tears_, those files are created by editors (vi, emacs) while the file is being modified.  Sometimes they're deleted automatically when the changed file is saved.  removing them risks losing edits that weren't saved from a crashed or aborted edit session
[15:45] <Laurenceb> ill go find a windows machine and use google then
[15:45] <Laurenceb> so much for irc
[15:45] <reisio> Laurenceb: but still no server, so carry on ;)
[15:45] <reisio> Laurenceb: still on, even
[15:45] <holstein> !volunteers | Laurenceb
[15:45] <reisio> Laurenceb: more importantly, what's up?
[15:45] <Laurenceb> reisio: can you help me restart metacity?
[15:46] <Laurenceb> i need to restart it correctly without screwing it up
[15:46] <reisio> Laurenceb: killall metacity && nohup metacity --replace > /dev/null &
[15:46] <Laurenceb> so i can save my work on this machine
[15:46] <ActionPa1snip> Laurenceb: lucid is EOL on the desktop dude, there was quite a hoohar on the web about it, I suggest you either upgrade using the web to Precise which is LTS to LTS, or do a full wipe and clean install with Precise from scratch. You wll then get LTS support til April 2017
[15:46] <reisio> Laurenceb: you can't screw up window managers, really, they either run or not
[15:46] <Laurenceb> THANKYOU
[15:46] <reisio> Laurenceb: if you're not in X, make it DISPLAY=:0 metacity
[15:46] <ActionPa1snip> Laurenceb: why do you not have a backup?
[15:46] <ef5c_ef5c> tears_, that's true for .swp (vi) anyway.  The tilde (~) are automatic backups created by emacs.  Those may just lay around after the edit session ends cleanly
[15:46] <moksud_xp> Hello, i'm trying to install ubuntu server on my 2nd hdd, I need to know how to install google chrome from command line
[15:47] <Morph4me> niel : using xrandr  via terminal you can set custom screen sizes
[15:47] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: grab the deb and install it
[15:47] <niel> oh thanks gonna try
[15:47] <xangua> moksud_xp: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[15:47] <Morph4me> example xrandr -s 1280x1024
[15:47] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: chrome will need an X server, so it wont be a server OS then
[15:47] <ActionPa1snip> xangua: chromium-browser isnt chrome
[15:47] <holstein> Laurenceb: the link i gave suggests "metacity --replace".. do you have no way of reading the links given? if so let the volunteers know
[15:47] <reisio> ...
[15:48] <tears_> ef5c_ef5c that's what I thought. That is to mean that for example /.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics~ is created by KDE using vim?
[15:48] <reisio> maybe he was distracted by you saying you won't help him :p
[15:48] <Laurenceb> aha fixed it
[15:48] <Laurenceb> thanks
[15:48] <holstein> Morph4me: you can forward it via ssh.. but, the .deb you get will be installed the same as any .deb via the commandline
[15:48] <reisio> gj
[15:48] <tears_> I don't get how another program invokes vim/emacs and uses it to create a file and a backup
[15:48] <Laurenceb> now i just need to get back my swao
[15:48] <Laurenceb> *p
[15:48] <holstein> Morph4me: sorry moksud_xp ^^
[15:49] <reisio> tears_: it doesn't
[15:49] <reisio> tears_: backup files are used by all sane editors
[15:49] <Morph4me> np holstein was doing a double take on that one :)
[15:49] <ef5c_ef5c> tears_, hmmm.  ~ would be emacs.  No idea whether some kde component is using emacs "under the covers" to update that file, or is just using the emacs backup naming convention
[15:49] <reisio> tears_: the particulars of each implementation differ, however
[15:49] <moksud_xp> there is a guide with all commmands for the typical softwares?
[15:49] <holstein> Morph4me: "mo" tab complete fail :/
[15:49] <reisio> oh you're talking about some script?
[15:49] <Morph4me> lol
[15:49] <reisio> moksud_xp: mmm, like to do what?
[15:49] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: try:   man command
[15:49] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: eg:  man cp
[15:49] <moksud_xp> but if I install it in ubuntu server (without gui), after installation of chrome, how to use the browser without a GUI ?
[15:50] <holstein> moksud_xp: http://linux.about.com/od/ubuntu_doc/a/ubudg21t2.htm
[15:50] <reisio> moksud_xp: to do what?
[15:50] <holstein> moksud_xp: that is the point.. you *cant* use GUI apps without a GUI.. but, you can forward them, which is what i thought you were planning..
[15:50] <OerHeks> moksud_xp, install any DE, and you will be fine.
[15:50] <moksud_xp> DE is a GUI ?
[15:50] <OerHeks> desktop environment
[15:51] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: the package system will pull in deps, which wil include Xorg
[15:51] <holstein> moksud_xp: if the plan is to use the machine as a desktop, install a desktop OS..
[15:51] <tears_> ef5c_ef5c reisio I think that some programs eg kde they just use ~ and .swp backup naming conventions
[15:51] <ActionPa1snip> holstein: +1
[15:51] <usuario> t
[15:51] <usuario> n
[15:51] <usuario> n
[15:51] <reisio> tears_: seems possible
[15:51] <FloodBot1> usuario: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:51] <usuario> nn
[15:51] <ActionPa1snip> although I saw a how to, to make chrome load on the server to make a faux chromeOS
[15:51] <moksud_xp> then where and how i can install the drivers for my netbook (HP EliteBook 2540p)
[15:52] <reisio> is that like a fake chromeos?
[15:52] <reisio> :p
[15:52] <reisio> moksud_xp: they'll be detected and enabled during installation automatically, most likely
[15:52] <tears_> reisio that makes it dangrous to just blindly delete all .swp and ~ files from /.
[15:52] <moksud_xp> oh, thanks god...
[15:52] <reisio> tears_: or to blindly do almost anything, anywhere
[15:52] <reisio> 's'why they call it blindly
[15:53] <tears_> reisio ef5c_ef5c  thank you. I believe my question is answered.
[15:53] <moksud_xp> okey, then how to navigate in folders and do the normal actions I do with Windows ?
[15:53] <reisio> ef5c_ef5c: go team
[15:53] <reisio> moksud_xp: it won't be so different, there's a file manager icon, you click i t
[15:53] <reisio> moksud_xp: there're shortcuts
[15:53] <reisio> etc.
[15:53] <OerHeks> !terminal
[15:53] <reisio> moksud_xp: or did you mean without a GUI?
[15:53] <auronandace> moksud_xp: why did you install the server version if you wanted a gui?
[15:54] <reisio> wrong question
[15:54] <holstein> moksud_xp: i agree.. start with a deskop OS if you want a desktop.. dont install server if you dont want server
[15:54] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141165/how-do-i-install-only-chrome-on-a-minimal-installation   how to run google chrome no minimal, gives a ChromeOS feel
[15:54] <moksud_xp> I installed it cause I want ubuntu to create a home server
[15:54] <aliencollective> screen CLI question: anyone know of a way to invoke ^A from outside an existing screen? I want to open a new frame and run a command from my bashrc, which I can do with :screen /mycommand.sh, but I need to invoke the control character first. sending a literal ^A doesn't work
[15:54] <reisio> moksud_xp: a home server, install ubuntu-desktop, then, if you want a GUI
[15:54] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: you can install server like services on the desktop OS, you are not restricted
[15:54] <holstein> moksud_xp: the "home server" can be run on the desktop OS..
[15:54] <reisio> moksud_xp: or if you're used to Windows, you might prefer xubuntu-desktop
[15:54] <moksud_xp> I want to try it before buying a cloud service and using it for a real server-web with apache, php, etc...
[15:54] <linuxpoet> Alright I have an odd problem with the nvidia drivers. If I load nvidia-setttings it sees my card but X does not (thus I am in unaccelerated mode) and if I use nvidia-detector it doesn't see it. I am running raring. Any thoughts?
[15:55] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: you are clearly new to the OS, just install the desktop OS, it'll make your life easir
[15:55] <reisio> moksud_xp: or you can learn the commands :)
[15:55] <moksud_xp> I want to learn commands, but don't know how and where...
[15:55] <reisio> moksud_xp: okay :)
[15:55] <jrib> aliencollective: why do you need to send ^A?  Can't you use the screen command?
[15:55] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: you can use CLI in desktop....
[15:55] <moksud_xp> can you give me an help please
[15:55] <reisio> moksud_xp: there are some links up there ^ you were given
[15:55] <moksud_xp> I'm new to linux world
[15:56] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: clearly
[15:56] <aliencollective> jrib: I could, but I don't know of a way to open a new frame within an existing screen by that method. that'd be ideal if it's possible.
[15:56] <moksud_xp> they gived me the command just for installing chrome, nothing else...
[15:56] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: use the GUI for a while and get used to stuff, learn to walk before you run
[15:56] <moksud_xp> normally I'm able to use windows without the GUI, just usind Command Prompt...
[15:56] <holstein> moksud_xp: sure.. install a desktop OS.. you can add all the server components you mention to a desktop OS
[15:57] <reisio> moksud_xp: they also gave these: http://linux.about.com/od/ubuntu_doc/a/ubudg21t2.htm https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[15:57] <moksud_xp> yeah, but when I need to buy a cloud service for a REAL web-server, I think that I cant install GUI in the cloud space... right ?
[15:57] <reisio> moksud_xp: sometimes, but you don't really want to
[15:58] <holstein> moksud_xp: there is no "real webserver".. ubuntuserver *is* ubuntu.. the only difference is the GUI, essentially.. and if you want a GUI, use a GUI
[15:58] <reisio> well not the only difference, but a large difference
[15:59] <jrib> aliencollective: see -X
[15:59] <moksud_xp> can you tell me the difference between using or not using a GUI on a Cloud Server ??
[15:59] <aliencollective> moksud_xp: bear in mind that even with a GUI your configuration will be done from the CLI
[15:59] <holstein> moksud_xp: sure.. in one case, you have a GUI.. in the other, you do not
[16:00] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: installing a GUI on any system imposes extra resource requirements
[16:00] <holstein> moksud_xp: if you want to connect to that GUI remotely, that will be within the limitations of that system.. such as VNC, or desktop forwarding of some type
[16:00] <reisio> moksud_xp: it makes your server less efficient and secure
[16:00] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: as well as more services running so is less secure
[16:00] <reisio> moksud_xp: as for 'cloud', it's almost entirely meaningless
[16:00] <utfans05> HAPPY 4TH OF JULY
[16:01] <lapidary> I was playing with ipv6 on comcast, but now sysctl shows no keys for net.ipv6.conf.eth2 ; how can that be?
[16:01] <moksud_xp> I want to buy a cloud service from OVH.it and run Ubuntu on it
[16:01] <moksud_xp> then I want to build my own web-server...
[16:02] <holstein> moksud_xp: then, try a webserver.. you dont run GUI apps on a webserver
[16:02] <reisio> utfans05: and to you
[16:02] <ActionPa1snip> utfans05: just another day...happy 3rd July for yesterday too
[16:02] <utfans05> lol
[16:02] <reisio> July 3 is my favie holiday, actually
[16:02] <aliencollective> jrib: `screen -S main -X "screen"` works (opens a new frame) but `screen -S main -X "screen sleep 5"` says "command not recognized"
[16:03] <jrib> aliencollective: what do you want the command to do?
[16:03] <ActionPa1snip> reisio: national 'Stay out of the sun' day apparently
[16:03] <jrib> aliencollective: you want to open a screen session inside an existing screen session?
[16:03] <reisio> bad to stay in the sun, bad to stay out :)
[16:04] <brontosaurusrex> moksud_xp, i run a web server on a machine in my room that goes: "scratch, scratch, scratch", just saying, take it easy man
[16:04] <aliencollective> jrib: I do everything in a screen with multiple frames, and I want my bashrc to do an svn up in a new frame of my main screen every time I open a new terminal window
[16:04] <plumblum> Hi!, is there any way to measure speeds internally between disks with for example the cp command ?
[16:04] <jrib> aliencollective: by "multiple frames" you mean you are nesting screen sessions?
[16:04] <plumblum> the reason i ask is it seems samba is really slow for me, but i cant be sure its the disks/controller
[16:04] <plumblum> its not the *
[16:04] <reisio> plumblum: hdparm can test disk speed
[16:04] <compdoc> samba is really fast for me
[16:05] <plumblum> compdoc, samba used to be quick
[16:05] <plumblum> so i suspect is has to do with the disk
[16:05] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, perhaps compare to ftp
[16:05] <ActionPa1snip> plumblum: testdisk
[16:05] <aliencollective> jrib: no, as in ^A^C
[16:05] <plumblum> so testdisk and hdparm
[16:05] <plumblum> thx :)
[16:06] <ActionPa1snip> sorry, not testdisk
[16:06] <plumblum> ill just wait for the copy to be done
[16:06] <ActionPa1snip> sudo hdparm -tT
[16:06] <plumblum> ah
[16:06] <ActionPa1snip> sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[16:06] <plumblum> sure but /mnt/xxx for me :)
[16:06] <mrdeb> when will ubuntu come out with unity light, so it is faster
[16:06] <plumblum> ill try asap
[16:06] <jrib> aliencollective: so use the command to create a new window; I'm confused as to why you are running "screen sleep 5"
[16:06] <ActionPa1snip> utfans05: today is national egg frying day :)
[16:07] <utfans05> orly?
[16:07] <holstein> mrdeb: i would suggest an already available lighter DE.. thats likely why "unity light" might not come out.. since light is already available
[16:07] <holstein> !lxde | mrdeb
[16:07] <jrib> aliencollective: never mind, I just looked at the man page (I use tmux nowadays instead of screen).  One sec.  Let me test
[16:07] <aliencollective> jrib: sleep 5 is just a dummy command to test it; screen [command] invoked using ^A : will open a new frame and run that command in it
[16:07] <aliencollective> jrib: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/68829/screen.png
[16:08] <rypervenche> tmux ftw^^
[16:08] <ActionPa1snip> holstein: lxde, or just don't bother with the DE and just run a WM like fluxbox or openbox
[16:08] <mrdeb> no i mean modern. lxde is ugly and incomplete
[16:08] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: Flux/Openbox on its own :)
[16:09] <aliencollective> jrib: * new window, sorry, getting my screen terminology wrong
[16:09] <holstein> mrdeb: "ugly" is a matter of opininion.. and the "complete-ness" is what you are likely finding heavy.. unity-light would need to make compromises you might not like as well.. try XFCE. most find it a nice balance
[16:09] <jrib> aliencollective: works ok here, just drop the quotes ("")
[16:09] <efkt> if not lxde, then perhaps razor-qt might be to your taste. Though, if you find box/lxde ugly, I am unsure if razor-qt will make you happier.
[16:10] <efkt> there is a PPA
[16:10] <Kirsch> hey all - i'm using tomcat 7 on ubuntu 12 (precise) and i'm getting a "No suitable driver found for jdbc:postgresql" - i've put the postgresql jdbc jar in /usr/share/tomcat7/lib but it still does not boot - am i missing anything? the app is a spring/hibernate app. i've restarted the server after trying to put it into /usr/share/tomcat7/lib, /var/lib/tomcat7/share or /var/lib/tomcat7/server (only had the jar 1 in of the spots at a 
[16:10] <Kirsch> if i run my project from maven directly on the box - it works, it just doesn't work when i install the war into tomcat
[16:10] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, do you recommend any other ftp server than what ubuntu server guide recommends
[16:11] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8850924/24thJune2013.png is how I'm rolling
[16:11] <aliencollective> jrib: herp derp, figures it'd be something that stupid
[16:11] <aliencollective> jrib: thanks for the help
[16:11] <columb> Is there a way to give direct links to files in Ubuntu One?
[16:11] <jrib> aliencollective: no problem.  Check out tmux by the way; I prefer it over screen nowadays
[16:11] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, i use pure-ftpd mostly
[16:11] <gordonjcp> plumblum: don't use an ftp server if you can possibly help it
[16:11] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: ugly? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8850924/raring.png
[16:11] <gordonjcp> plumblum: most ftp clients support sftp, for which you only need an ssh server
[16:11] <gordonjcp> plumblum: and you probably have that already
[16:11] <plumblum> ah yeah
[16:12] <plumblum> that i have already :)
[16:12] <georgi> can you tell me details about friends-dispatcher package? please it is very important
[16:12] <brontosaurusrex> gordonjcp, thats only to compare speed to samba, sftp will be slower
[16:12] <georgi> can you tell me details about friends-dispatcher package? please it is very important
[16:12] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: openbox + xcompmag + docky + vlc
[16:12] <jrib> !info friends-dispatcher | georgi
[16:12] <aliencollective> jrib: will do
[16:12] <gordonjcp> plumblum: two reasons - 1) ftp is horrible (passwords in cleartext type horrible) and 2) it's one less thing to go wrong
[16:12] <gordonjcp> brontosaurusrex: samba is only really useful on local networks
[16:12] <mrdeb> xcompmgr is unstable
[16:12] <georgi> more
[16:12] <georgi> ubottu
[16:12] <georgi> what does it affect
[16:13] <plumblum> gordonjcp, i know but i want to see if i can get more than 10 MB out of this
[16:13] <SpyClub> \join #nottinghack
[16:13] <holstein> mrdeb: i find it stable, but dont use it if you dont want it
[16:13] <plumblum> im betting my samba is messed up otherwise
[16:13] <brontosaurusrex> gordonjcp, i had no questions
[16:13] <holstein> !bot | georgi
[16:13] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: its running well here matey, the first one with openbox + conky + idesk  is the standing config (tint2 is hiding)
[16:13] <gordonjcp> plumblum: there are a variety of reasons for that
[16:13] <Kartagis> what does "Ambigious output redirect" mean when all I want to do is ssh-copy-id?
[16:13] <georgi> holstein
[16:13] <mrdeb> no its unstable
[16:13] <gordonjcp> plumblum: how are the networks connected?
[16:13] <plumblum> would an ecrypted home directory suck doncey balss ?
[16:13] <georgi> can you tell me what it affects
[16:13] <gordonjcp> plumblum: s/networks/machines/
[16:14] <gordonjcp> plumblum: encryption makes disk access very slow
[16:14] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: maybe for you, works fine here
[16:14] <holstein> mrdeb: i use it.. i am using it.. again, you dont have to..
[16:14] <plumblum> but that should only affect my home directory right ?
[16:14] <mrdeb> leaves shadows when window closes
[16:14] <holstein> mrdeb: then, dont use it.. i do not have that issue
[16:14] <ActionPa1snip> same, no issues
[16:14] <holstein> mrdeb: i am literally using it now, and i use it daily on this machine
[16:15] <plumblum> gordonjcp, and i have it setup with gbit cards in both ends with a gbit switch and cat6 cable
[16:15] <plumblum> gordonjcp, i have been transfering from the same machine to a windows machine with 70-80 MBits before
[16:15] <plumblum> but to this new machine after the install its down to 10
[16:15] <plumblum> and its like exactley 10 :P
[16:15] <plumblum> and that is odd imo
[16:16] <mrdeb> well not me
[16:16] <mrdeb> i put it on debian 7 and it left borders when window close
[16:16] <holstein> mrdeb: im using it on ubuntu... this is the ubuntu support channel
[16:16] <gordonjcp> plumblum: using what, to transfer stuff to the Windows machine?
[16:16] <plumblum> from and to
[16:16] <plumblum> and using what ?
[16:17] <gordonjcp> plumblum: what were you using to transfer the files?
[16:17] <plumblum> samba i think :P or explorer if thats what you are looking for
[16:17] <mrdeb> same thing
[16:17] <gordonjcp> plumblum: okay, I don't know a lot about Windows
[16:17] <holstein> !details | mrdeb
[16:17] <plumblum> thats why i want to try ftp
[16:17] <gordonjcp> plumblum: I just checked using scp and I can scp across gigabit ethernet from a very busy HP microserver with slowish disks at 25MB/s
[16:17] <duelle> Hi, I set up a local server that should be dns/dhcp /router for my local network. Everything works fine except ping with the complete domain (e.g. hostname.domain.local). If I just ping hostname it works like a charm..
[16:17] <gordonjcp> plumblum: so you *should* be able to get that without trying ;-)
[16:18] <holstein> mrdeb: otherwise, dont use it.. you dont have to.. xubuntu comes with a nice compositor that is easily accessible from the menu.. you can try it via a live CD
[16:18] <ikonia_> duelle: I suspect you made the same mistake as a guy the other day doing this with the domains not terminated
[16:18] <mrdeb> hi ubottu
[16:18] <plumblum> gordonjcp, the same speeds you mean ?
[16:18] <brontosaurusrex> gordonjcp, scp will be also cpu related
[16:18] <ikonia_> duelle: if you setup logging channels on your bind server, you'll probably see requests for hostname.domain.com.domain.com
[16:18] <plumblum> gordonjcp, and i agree ^^ since im trying to axcess a raid 0 device
[16:18] <ikonia_> rather than hostname.domain.com
[16:18] <mrdeb> i dont like xfce
[16:18] <plumblum> im just waiting for my transfer to finish before i do the disk test
[16:18] <mrdeb> its uglier than windows xp
[16:19] <ikonia_> mrdeb: do you have an ubuntu support question/request ?
[16:19] <duelle> ikonia_, it may be that I am that guy oO. Logging works, but now there are no duplicate hostnames
[16:19] <ikonia_> duelle: are you the same guy I spoke to ?
[16:19] <gordonjcp> brontosaurusrex: yup, and with a bunch of stuff caning the already quite slow CPU in the microserver...
[16:19] <duelle> ikonia_, probably.. some days ago
[16:19] <mrdeb> yes
[16:19] <holstein> mrdeb: "ugly" is a matter of opinion.. and please keep the channel clear, uness you have a support question.. thanks.. try #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss asthetics
[16:19] <ikonia_> duelle: you setup bind logging and you saw requests for host.dropbox.com and host.dropbox.com.dropbox.com
[16:20] <ikonia_> mrdeb: ok - then please state your request
[16:20] <mrdeb> i dont think it is opnion, but ok
[16:20] <mrdeb> ok hold on i will get my list
[16:20] <duelle> ikonia_, thats true so far, but there aren't such diplicate items anymore.
[16:20] <plumblum> 2 min to go
[16:20] <ikonia_> duelle: ahh so you are the same guy ?
[16:21] <duelle> ikonia_, yes
[16:21] <ikonia_> duelle: ok, cool, so what changed to resolve that ?
[16:21] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: you can run Compiz as a stand alone WM if you want, no gnome DE taking up resources
[16:21] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: I'm guessing you are a KDE kinda guy
[16:21] <mrdeb> no
[16:21] <mrdeb> ok, sometimes hwen i open directory in vlc from it, it crashes, why
[16:22] <per_> Hello, im currently trying to make a bash script where i start a application in a screen session, but option flags makes me get a error : unrecognized option '--config'. Im running it via the command (su $USER -c 'screen -d -m -S $SERVICENAME $COMMAND) where the command is the application "parameter"  This is the COMMAND variable: (COMMAND='openvpn --config /etc/init.d/openvpn/servers/Sweden.ovpn')  Thanks for the help!
[16:22] <ikonia_> mrdeb: have you looked at the log files, tried to launch it from the command line to get debug info ?
[16:22] <mrdeb> also, graphics in info center say unknown when u install nvidia. why not proper name
[16:22] <mrdeb> r they too lazy to changei t
[16:22] <ikonia> mrdeb: no, it's probably not in the pciid database yet
[16:22] <mrdeb> yes, it doesnt show anything
[16:22] <ikonia> mrdeb: that's not an ubuntu issue,
[16:22] <duelle> ikonia_, tbh i am not that sure what made it work now, but I reenabled the forwarder to my "real" router and checked interfaces and dhcp settings. at least i have a "search hostname.local" in my resolv.conf now
[16:23] <mrdeb> what do u mean
[16:23] <ikonia> mrdeb: ok, then you'll need to log a bug for that then as we can't help without any debug info
[16:23] <duelle> ikonia,  Now the only thing not working yet is the fqdn-ping
[16:23] <ikonia> duelle: ok, so lets think about this as it was interesting
[16:24] <ikonia> duelle: can you do 1.) nslookup, server $your_dns_server_ip, hostname, then do the same with hostname.fqdn.com
[16:24] <ikonia> duelle: do both work
[16:24] <ikonia> mrdeb: I mean exactly that, the cards are identified by PCI ids in the pci-database project, if your card is not in there, (new card, rare card etc) it shows up as unknown
[16:24] <ikonia> mrdeb: ubuntu doesn't maintain that list,
[16:25] <duelle> ikonia, yes, all return the same (correct) IP
[16:25] <ikonia> duelle: perfect, so we know your resolver is correct, which is a good start
[16:25] <ikonia> duelle: what happens when you ping hostname - whats the error message ?
[16:25] <mrdeb> ikonia: it shows ok in ubuntu 13.04 so it gnome problem not card
[16:25] <mrdeb> why is it not fied
[16:26] <ikonia> mrdeb: , no, it's not, it's just not advertising the card in the database,
[16:26] <duelle> ikonia, if i ping the hostname only it works fine. The only thing that doesnt work is a ping on hostname.domain.local
[16:26] <holstein> !volunteers | mrdeb
[16:26] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: ubuntu 13.04 uses Gnome
[16:26] <ikonia> mrdeb: it's that simple, it's not a big deal it' not breaking anything
[16:26] <mrdeb> so database is old in 1204
[16:26] <ikonia> mrdeb: if you log a bug with your info, it can get updated
[16:26] <holstein> mrdeb: that applied for the developers as well, in most cases
[16:26] <holstein> applies*
[16:26] <mrdeb> no but it should be correct
[16:26] <ActionPa1snip> mrdeb: then sounds like you have found a bug and should report it
[16:26] <holstein> !contribute | mrdeb
[16:26] <ikonia> mrdeb: ok, so log the bug to get it updated
[16:26] <ikonia> duelle: ok, that's odd
[16:26] <mrdeb> ok
[16:26] <mrdeb> everyone has it
[16:26] <mrdeb> major feature missing
[16:27] <duelle> ikonia, The error message is: "ping: unknown host hostname.domain.local"
[16:27] <ikonia> duelle: is your domain actually domain.local
[16:27] <ikonia> mrdeb: it's not a major bug - log it and get it fixed
[16:27] <ikonia> mrdeb: really simple process
[16:27] <duelle> ikonia, no, its dn3t.local
[16:27] <ikonia> duelle: ok, if lets (where possible) use the real info
[16:27] <ikonia> duelle: just to try to walk this through
[16:27] <plumblum> okey brontosaurusrex and gordonjcp the results are in cached reads at 1480 MB/s and other reads at 111.57 MB/s
[16:27] <plumblum> so how do i fix my samba :P
[16:27] <DJones> mrdeb: Have you sent the information to the pakcage maintainers? If not, how do you expect them to know about the changes?
[16:27] <mrdeb> ok
[16:28] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, ftp goes 111.57?
[16:28] <ikonia> duelle: what is your client ?
[16:28] <ikonia> duelle: is it ubuntu, windows, rhel etc etc
[16:28] <mrdeb> i dont understand how to do any of that
[16:28] <ikonia> duelle: not the sever the client
[16:28] <ikonia> !bug | mrdeb
[16:28] <ikonia> mrdeb: follow that guide
[16:28] <duelle> ikonia, xubuntu 12.10
[16:28] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, im gonna test that aswell but thoose results were from hdparm -tT
[16:28] <brontosaurusrex> oh
[16:28] <mrdeb> ok
[16:28] <ikonia> duelle: ok - and your server is ?
[16:29] <duelle> ikonia, ubuntu server 12.04.02 32bit
[16:29] <ikonia> duelle: ok,
[16:29] <ikonia> duelle: so on the server, can you do tail -f on the logging file you setup for lookups
[16:30] <giwrgaras> what is the average installation duration for 13.04 on a sata 2 ?
[16:30] <ikonia> giwrgaras: there isn't one
[16:30] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, sftp goes between 20-30
[16:30] <duelle> ikonia, I already have it open ;)
[16:30] <plumblum> and thats sftp
[16:30] <ikonia> duelle: is it being tailed ?
[16:30] <reisio> giwrgaras: not very long
[16:30] <plumblum> MiB/s though
[16:30] <duelle> ikonia, yes
[16:30] <ikonia> duelle: superb
[16:30] <plumblum> MB *
[16:30] <ikonia> duelle: so do a fake lookup, eg: sillybox.domain.com
[16:30] <ikonia> duelle: do you see that appear in the dns server log ?
[16:31] <duelle> ikonia, yes: I see two query-entries: sillybox.domain.com and sillybox.domain.com.dn3t.local
[16:31] <ikonia> duelle: ok - so it's still not terminated
[16:32] <ikonia> duelle: if you put in hostname.dn3t.local what do you see in the log
[16:32] <duelle> ikonia, a valid hostname?
[16:32] <ikonia> duelle: yes please.
[16:33] <duelle> there is only one entry: gateway.dn3t.local (its the server i tried to look up)
[16:33] <ikonia> mrdeb: what version of ubuntu is this you're using ?
[16:33] <duelle> ikonia, but is the same for all valid hostnames as far as i tested
[16:33] <ikonia> duelle: ok, can you open another window on the server name please.
[16:34] <ikonia> duelle: sorry, I mean have an additional window open on the server
[16:34] <duelle> ikonia, ok ;)
[16:34] <ikonia> duelle: ok, on the server can you ping validhost.dn3t.local
[16:34] <duelle> ikonia, yes
[16:34] <ikonia> (valid host is not the server, by the way, pick some other valid host)
[16:35] <duelle> ikonia, works with another client too
[16:35] <ikonia> duelle: ok, so the dns server is actually responding ok, do you see that ok in the log too ?
[16:35] <duelle> yes, I see the reverse queries
[16:36] <ikonia> duelle: reverse queries ?
[16:36] <ikonia> why is it doing a reverse query, you've not told it to
[16:36] <BenyaminL> Hello anyone, can i ask about clamav for ubuntu? Does clamav database is better than avasts or the other? Can that things help me remove virus on windows partition? Thx
[16:37] <duelle> ikonia, If I ping it first resolves the hostname and then for every ping i see a reverse query ( 12.100.168.192.in-addr.arpa)
[16:37] <ikonia> duelle: errr don't know why it's doing that
[16:37] <gordonjcp> BenyaminL: there is actually a boot disk that boots Linux and virus scans Windows
[16:37] <ikonia> duelle: shouldn't be doing that, you've not told it to do a reverse lookup
[16:37] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, install ftp, test speed, remove ftp
[16:37] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, im already on it :) but your ftp recommended program seemed a bit overkill for testing :D
[16:38] <ikonia> duelle: do you know where your zone files are kept on the server ?
[16:38] <duelle> ikonia, ping output seems to be valid though (show fqdn and IP in brackets)
[16:38] <duelle> ikonia, yes
[16:38] <ikonia> duelle: ok, can you go to that directory and do an "ls -la" on it and pastebin it (assuming you have nothing confidential in there)
[16:38] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, its just pretty much preconfigured out of the box
[16:39] <columb> Hello. I would like to migrate from Wubi to Grub2. Following to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MigrateWubi I don't get what /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6 means.
[16:39] <duelle>  ikonia http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844089/
[16:39] <ikonia> duelle: Hmm no temporary zone files there, can you open http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844089/
[16:40] <ikonia> duelle: sorry can you open db.dn3t.loca.zone
[16:40] <ikonia> duelle: and pastebin it please.
[16:40] <Quantum`> Having a problem with script precedence.  I've created a script called /usr/local/bin/apt-get to run proxychains, but the system still finds /usr/bin/apt-get first, even though local is in $PATH first.
[16:41] <duelle> ikonia,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844093/
[16:41] <ikonia> Quantum`: do which apt-get
[16:41] <BenyaminL> Gordonjcp: but is that really effective?
[16:41] <reisio> Quantum`: use the absolute path
[16:41] <Quantum`> reisio: Sure, but I want mine to be default.
[16:41] <ikonia> duelle: ok, this is interesting, so are they all your hosts ?
[16:41] <ikonia> Quantum`: which apt-get
[16:42] <reisio> Quantum`: what does 'env apt-get' give?
[16:42] <Quantum`> /usr/local/bin
[16:42] <ikonia> Quantum`: please show me the exact output
[16:42] <gordonjcp> BenyaminL: no idea, I don't use Windows
[16:42] <duelle> ikonia, I gave them fixed IP addresses via dhcp (mac)  and wanted them to have specific names
[16:42] <BenyaminL> gordonjcp: my disk, both, OS and Data change name became local disk c dan local disk d, but when mount on linux, they are stay with os dan data
[16:42] <Quantum`> ikonia: [proxychains] config file found: /etc/proxychains.conf
[16:42] <Quantum`> [proxychains] preloading /usr/local/lib/libproxychains4.so
[16:42] <Quantum`> [proxychains] DLL init
[16:42] <Quantum`> error: no operation specified (use -h for help)
[16:42] <ikonia> duelle so did you manually put these entries in the zone file, or did dhcp put these entries in the zone file
[16:43] <ikonia> Quantum which apt-get
[16:43] <gordonjcp> BenyaminL: I don't really know how Windows works, I was just suggesting that there is a boot disk out there that does what you want
[16:43] <duelle> ikonia, I put them there
[16:43] <Quantum`> ... so it seems to have seen mine this time.
[16:43] <BenyaminL> Gordonjcp: but in indonesia all people using windows, that's the main problem.. I know my school have choose mandriva, but gamers still need windows
[16:43] <gordonjcp> BenyaminL: I've seen one of the guys at work use it
[16:43] <gordonjcp> BenyaminL: <shrug>
[16:43] <ikonia> Quantum`: look at the error "file not found"
[16:43] <Quantum`> But which apt-get says /usr/bin.
[16:43] <gordonjcp> BenyaminL: I haven't used Windows for over 10 years, possibly nearer 20
[16:43] <duelle> ikonia, but they are not yet connected. Just having my AP and my notebook connected right now
[16:43] <BenyaminL> Gordonjcp: and then i use windows because they built in with my notebook, the windows copy more expensive than the laptop i think
[16:43] <Quantum`> ikonia: There was no file not found.
[16:44] <Quantum`> ... it was no operation specified.
[16:44] <ikonia> Quantum`: ahh I see
[16:44] <Quantum`> It would need to be env |grep apt-get
[16:44] <ikonia> Quantum`: so please paste the output of "which apt-get"
[16:44] <BenyaminL> gordonjcp: i wana move to linux full, but still wana games on windows...
[16:44] <BenyaminL> gordonjcp: and that i wana go is using deepin
[16:44] <ikonia> duelle: ok, this is bit of an odd setup, give me a moment to put this together, I may need to draw it
[16:44] <Quantum`> /usr/bin/apt-get
[16:44] <BenyaminL> Gordonjcp: ok gordon, txh for advice, nice to meet you
[16:45] <ikonia> Quantum`: echo $PATH
[16:45] <ikonia> duelle: I assume gateway is your dns server ?
[16:45] <Quantum`> /usr/local/bin is first in the $PATH, so this doesn't make sense.
[16:46] <Quantum`> ikonia: # echo $PATH
[16:46] <Quantum`> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/cuda5-toolkit/bin:/opt/cuda/bin:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl:/usr/local/share/android-sdk-linux/tools:/usr/local/share/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools
[16:47] <Quantum`> I want it to execute my /usr/local/bin/apt-get, rather than /usr/bin/apt-get
[16:47] <Akshay_d> Installation: I want to dual boot Win7 and ubuntu 13.04 on 64 bit pc with UEFI enabled mobo. win 7 installation done. Any one point me toward the exact tutorial?
[16:48] <ikonia> duelle: is gateway your dns server ?
[16:48] <Kitt3n> Akshay_d, Is your Windows 7 installed in UEFI?
[16:48] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, im getting around the same speeds with ftp
[16:48] <Akshay_d> yes.
[16:48] <plumblum> a quick burst and then down to around 10 MB/s
[16:48] <plumblum> maybe the drivers for the nics are not correct
[16:49] <Akshay_d> I believe so. To make sure, how to check?
[16:49] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, well, now you know its not samba problem
[16:49] <Kitt3n> Akshay_d, I don't know how to check it for Windows 7, google perhaps? :)
[16:49] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, yeah, but i can download stuff at much greater speeds than theese
[16:50] <Quantum`> NM, I got it.
[16:50] <Akshay_d> OK will do. Tried various key word combinations but google did not return with proper or rather, clear results
[16:50] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, on both machines?
[16:51] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, yep
[16:51] <Kitt3n> Akshay_d, hm, well, when you figure out, just boot up the Ubuntu livecd in UEFI mode (you see the grub menu when it starts up) and just install like usual.
[16:51] <plumblum> i have used this same windows machine to transfer to another windows machine in the past with around 10 times the speeds
[16:51] <vedic> I have upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 using apt-get. While in 10.04, I had some libraries installed by compiling source eg: linear algebra and numerical computation related. Will I have to compile them again when 12.04 upgrade is done?
[16:52] <Kitt3n> Akshay_d, then you might run into the sexy grub-efi problem, but that's a whole other case. (Don't worry about it)
[16:52] <duelle> ikonia, http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3306/ighxngvp_png.htm
[16:52] <pranav> is there a tool which can make my usb to boot in UEFI mode which was created using startup-disk-creator for ubuntu 13.04 64 bit ?
[16:52] <ikonia> duelle: that's helpful, thank you
[16:53] <pranav> is there a tool which can make my usb to boot in UEFI mode which was created using startup-disk-creator for ubuntu 13.04 64 bit ?
[16:53] <Kitt3n> pranav, Go into your BIOS and set the usb to boot as UEFI.
[16:53] <Akshay_d> @Kitt3n, ok so a bit more googleing is must. Thank you any way.
[16:53] <Kitt3n> pranav, It should say "UEFI: <name of usb>"
[16:53] <ikonia> duelle: so is your test machine dstation ?
[16:54] <Kitt3n> Akshay_d, No problem ;)
[16:54] <pranav> Kitt3n: wait, i don't think there was UEFI: <name of usb>"
[16:54] <duelle> ikonia, currently only dmobile (notebook via eth) and AP (old netgear Router/AP) are connected
[16:54] <Akshay_d> looks like every one is looking for uefi mode. ;)
[16:54] <ikonia> duelle: ok
[16:54] <Kitt3n> pranav, What motherboard do you have?
[16:54] <ikonia> duelle: on dmobile, can you do "ping dmobile.dn3t.local"
[16:55] <duelle> ikonia, no
[16:55] <pranav> Kitt3n: sony vaio e series
[16:55] <ikonia> duelle: what do you see in the gateway dns log when you try that from dmobile
[16:55] <Kitt3n> pranav, what?
[16:55] <duelle> I did a mistake in my "painting" all clients are connected to AP (for it has a switch) but gateway is dns/dhcp. These features are disabled on AP.
[16:56] <duelle> ikonia, I only see a request to daisy.ubuntu.com (probably the ubuntu NS)
[16:56] <ikonia> duelle: whoaaa
[16:56] <Kitt3n> pranav, it's best to google how to boot in UEFI mode for your motherboard :)
[16:56] <ikonia> duelle: ok, so we are getting somewhere
[16:56] <pranav> Kitt3n: has been doing it since last 2 hours
[16:56] <ikonia> duelle: please type "nslookup" then type "server" - nothing more, what do you see/get ?
[16:57] <pranav> Kitt3n: no conclusive results yet
[16:57] <duelle> ikonia, nslookup on server or client?
[16:57] <Kitt3n> pranav, when you go into your motherboard, do you see a Boot menu?
[16:57] <ikonia> duelle: client
[16:57] <pranav> Kitt3n: of course
[16:57] <Kitt3n> pranav, Do you see "UEFI: <names>"?
[16:57] <pranav> i have disable the secure boot
[16:58] <duelle> ikonia, I just see "Default server: 127.0.1.1 Address: 127.0.1.1#53"
[16:58] <pranav> Kitt3n: sadly, no
[16:58] <ikonia> duelle: ok, so it's using dnsmasq
[16:58] <duelle> ikonia, as output of nslookup, no output in dns logs
[16:58] <pranav> i just have UEFI option and legacy option
[16:58] <ikonia> duelle: I've not got an ubuntu box to hand to verify this, so you'll need to check what I saw
[16:58] <ikonia> say
[16:58] <Kitt3n> pranav, Okay. Turn it to UEFI
[16:58] <pranav> Kitt3n:  despite my bootable usb is inside the port
[16:58] <pranav> its turned on
[16:59] <Kitt3n> pranav, what happens when you boot up the usb?
[16:59] <Kitt3n> pranav, what do you see, I mean.
[16:59] <pranav> wait..
[16:59] <ikonia> duelle: do you have a file /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ?
[16:59] <BenyaminL> Stop using windows...
[16:59] <BenyaminL> Hehehe
[16:59] <ikonia> duelle: (on the client)
[16:59] <duelle> ikonia, yes
[16:59] <pranav> Kitt3n: thats what i want to do. boot the usb
[17:00] <ikonia> duelle: in that file do you have a line something like preappend 127.0.0.1
[17:00] <pranav> but it wont coz' uefi is enabled
[17:00] <Kitt3n> pranav, that is really odd.
[17:00] <pranav> Kitt3n: and i can't change it to legacy as suggested by ubuntu support
[17:00] <pranav> because win 8 was preinstalled
[17:00] <Kitt3n> pranav, oww, windows 8 preinstalled..hm.
[17:01] <duelle> ikonia, at least not active (uncommented). There are only two or three lines that are not commented
[17:01] <duelle> out
[17:01] <Kitt3n> pranav, there are some motherboards that won't boot usb sticks that are simply formatted as FAT32
[17:01] <ikonia> duelle: do sudo apt-get install pastebinit then cat  /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |pastebinit
[17:01] <ikonia> duelle: lets take a look
[17:02] <pranav> Kitt3n: hmm..
[17:02] <ikonia> duelle: this looks to me like dnsmasq is screwing you over as we know your resolver is good with nslookup
[17:02] <rypervenche> Doesn't pastebinit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, work just as well?
[17:02] <ikonia> rypervenche: oribabky
[17:02] <ikonia> probably
[17:02] <duelle> ikonia, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844162/
[17:03] <pranav> Kitt3n: so, are there any options for me ?
[17:03] <Kitt3n> Looking into it
[17:03] <bennis> Hey all, is there a way to repair a persistance file or replace it on a usb drive that wasn't allowed to shut down properly and therefore won't load with the -- persistence flag on boot? Boots fine otherwise.
[17:03] <BenyaminL> Does anyone know about deepin linux? Have anyone ever use it?
[17:03] <reisio> bennis: yeah, but it'll probably be involved
[17:04] <reisio> BenyaminL: this? http://www.linuxdeepin.com/index.cn.html
[17:04] <ikonia> duelle: check this link against your set - lets see if we can disable dnsmasq
[17:04] <ikonia> duelle: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-disable-dnsmasq-in-ubuntu-12-04precise.html
[17:04] <wilee-nilee> bennis, You can replace it but lose the data, a usb with persistence is a good tool but very limited.
[17:04] <reisio> BenyaminL: it's aparently a version of Ubuntu focused on chinese users
[17:04] <bennis> reisio: as involved as making a new stick so i can reinstall the persistence file on the original one? i have no hdd in my computer so i'm using dual thumb drives atm ;)
[17:05] <reisio> bennis: probably more involved than that
[17:05] <bennis> wilee-nilee i'm aware of it's limitations, it's my only option currently but i will take care of it later
[17:05] <bennis> reisio oh, lame
[17:05] <ikonia> duelle: keep in mind, I'm not on ubuntu at the moment so I can't verify that link for you - so pay attention to what it's asking you to do
[17:05] <BenyaminL> reisio: but the deepin is much better than ubuntu
[17:05] <wilee-nilee> bennis, How big are the usb, a full install may be more applicable.
[17:05] <ikonia> duelle: it seems reasonable, but I can't verify it
[17:05] <Kitt3n> pranav, hmmm.
[17:05] <BenyaminL> Ecpecially in the battery
[17:05] <BenyaminL> Is that right?
[17:05] <pranav> Kitt3n: ?
[17:06] <duelle> ikonia, ok
[17:06] <BenyaminL> I look ubuntu is very worst when using battery, even using laptop_mode
[17:06] <plumblum> brontosaurusrex, i used rsync to simulate a large file write between two disks, and with that i get around 50 MB/s on a busy disk already ^^ so i will start looking into drivers for my nics
[17:06] <plumblum> thx for all the help brontosaurusrex :)
[17:06] <Kitt3n> pranav, http://askubuntu.com/questions/150174/sony-vaio-with-insyde-h2o-efi-bios-will-not-boot-into-grub-efi
[17:06] <CMOSteve> anybody have experience with HAProxy?
[17:06] <bennis> wilee-nilee it's not, i'd rather use a ramdisk to maintain the life of the drives
[17:06] <brontosaurusrex> plumblum, np, i wasn't much help
[17:07] <plumblum> any help is better than no help at all :)
[17:07] <wilee-nilee> bennis, Never wore a usb out myself, that is kinda old school.
[17:07] <reisio> BenyaminL: that's almost impossible
[17:07] <BenyaminL> Ok, it is time to take a bed... Night all! Thx all ubuntu user!
[17:07] <reisio> BenyaminL: all distros, Ubuntu based or not, have access to the exact same software
[17:07] <pranav> Kitt3n: i have only 1 efi partition unlike the scenario in the question.. anway, lemme have a look
[17:07] <duelle> ikonia, Ok, it should be disabled now. But I still cant ping myself (client) or any other with fqdn
[17:07] <bennis> wilee-nilee i'd rather not risk it, i've never done it either but i'd rather keep it for sure functional, as i'm on the road living in the bush and come into town to charge every once and a while ;)
[17:07] <BenyaminL> Reisio: but the battery life time is much better deepin
[17:07] <wilee-nilee> bennis, And by the way you have a horrible communication with your attitude.
[17:07] <reisio> BenyaminL: nope
[17:07] <ikonia> duelle: lets check it's disabled
[17:07] <ikonia> duelle: nslookup then server
[17:07] <ikonia> duelle: what's your dns server
[17:08] <BenyaminL> for apps isn't a problem, but the battery life time.. Only that the pronlwm
[17:08] <Kitt3n> pranav, there's always just one EFI partition
[17:08] <duelle> ikonia, it is correct now (192.168.100.1) => gateway
[17:08] <bennis> wilee-nilee how would i have been more clear in asking what i was after? i feel that asking if a persistence file was replace/repair able was pretty straightforward
[17:08] <ikonia> duelle: ok, great, so lets try a few tests
[17:08] <pranav> Kitt3n: is it a new windows strategy to be harder on linux using uefi :(
[17:08] <ikonia> duelle: first "nslookup hostname" - exactly like that, does it work ?
[17:08] <ikonia> (valid hostname)
[17:09] <tmos> I installed 13.04 yesterday. I decided to get rid of the unity launcher so I installed Cinnamon 1.8. When I am browsing a webpage and scrolling through it, the screen starts to flicker a bit. The same happens when I watch any sort of video, online or stored to my PC. I updated my graphics card but this didn't help. I have an nVidia 9800GT.
[17:09] <Kitt3n> pranav, probably, Microsoft is greedy so
[17:09] <Kitt3n> tmos, It's a bad idea to use Cinnamon, it's new and buggy
[17:09] <duelle> ikonia, yes, "nslookup ap" returned correct name and address - as before
[17:09] <wilee-nilee> pranav, Honestly the IRC is not a good place for uefi, the ubuntu forums is your best help, starta thread there and wait for the author of this thread to visit it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[17:10] <ikonia> duelle: ok, and "nslookup ap.dn3t.local"
[17:10] <tmos> What would you recommend using instead of Cinnamon?
[17:10] <duelle> ikonia, correct too
[17:10] <ikonia> duelle: ok, so we know your resolver is working,
[17:10] <CMOSteve> anybody have any idea how HAProxy actually acessed the information on backend servers? does it automatically use some sort of network file system or specialized partition?
[17:10] <Kitt3n> tmos, KDE is a good alternative.
[17:10] <pranav> ok..
[17:10] <tmos> Ok, thanks. I will try it to see if it solves my problem.
[17:10] <ikonia> duelle: now can you please do "strace ping ap.dn3t.local" and put it in a pastebin
[17:11] <gordonjcp> tmos: Unity
[17:11] <ikonia> duelle: also when you do that check the dns server log for what it does
[17:11] <gordonjcp> tmos: it's the standard desktop
[17:11] <pranav> wilee-nilee:  those pages are bit harder for new newbie though :P
[17:11] <pranav> and risky as well
[17:12] <wilee-nilee> pranav, You need to understand what you are doing, the help here is terrible and confusing people who know nothing help and confuse the facts.
[17:12] <wilee-nilee> on UEFI
[17:13] <tmos> I will have to re-install it. I got rid of it yesterday. This is the first Ubuntu distro I have used since 9.04. I just hated the look of unity. I will try KDE and if that doesn't work I will go back to unity I guess. Or else, Xubuntu looks like a solid alternative
[17:13] <duelle> ikonia, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844188/
[17:13] <duelle> ikonia, nothing happens in the log
[17:14] <ikonia> duelle: yeah, it's not going to the dns server,
[17:14] <wilee-nilee> pranav, IF you need brain surgery you don't call a plumber. ;)
[17:15] <ikonia> duelle: can we do a test - please add an entry to /etc/hosts for ap.dn3t.local and re-run the ping check, see if it works
[17:15] <ikonia> duelle: I can see from the strace it's checking the resolver, but then not going there
[17:15] <Kitt3n> wilee-nilee, on an unfucked EFI system, it's easy to do, it's not when Microsoft does things to them.
[17:15] <reisio> you call a _brain_ plumber
[17:15] <Kitt3n> ^
[17:15] <wilee-nilee> heeh,heh
[17:15] <Kitt3n> Good one.
[17:16] <ikonia> duelle: can you also pastebin /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf, lets take a look at them
[17:16] <duelle> ikonia, hosts-entry with localhost-ip or "real" ip?
[17:16] <ikonia> duelle: it's real IP so it really goes to the machine and does an actual ping against the ap device
[17:17] <ikonia> duelle: I think I see the problem, but need to see those two files
[17:17] <duelle> ikonia, ping works with entry in hostss
[17:17] <ikonia> duelle: yeah, I can see it reading entries from the host file in the strace.
[17:17] <duelle> ikonia,  resolv.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844202/
[17:18] <duelle> ikonia, nsswitch.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844203/
[17:18] <ikonia> duelle: final one, /etc/host.conf
[17:19] <duelle> ikonia, host.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844208/
[17:19] <ikonia> duelle: ok, remove the entry from /etc/hosts for ap - and test it's broken again
[17:19] <tmos> I decided to reinstall unity and it worked. No more flickering on the screen
[17:20] <reisio> tmos: weird
[17:20] <duelle> ikonia, ping ap.dn3t.local   ping: unknown host ap.dn3t.local
[17:20] <ikonia> duelle: ok, think I've got it - give me a minute please.
[17:21] <tmos> It must be an issue with Cinnamon. I prefer Cinnamon to Unity but the flickering was just too annoying.
[17:21] <reisio> tmos: quite odd
[17:21] <ikonia> duelle: ps -ef | grep avahi
[17:22] <ikonia> duelle: is there anything running ?
[17:22] <Freb> what is the purpose to use extra paritions like /home than the whole disk as a parition?
[17:22] <reisio> Freb: it simplifies certain things, like encrypting only /home
[17:22] <Kitt3n> Freb, if you have to reinstall Ubuntu, you won't lose your /home partition, et.
[17:22] <duelle> ikonia, avahi-daemon: running and avahi-daemon chroot helper
[17:22] <Kitt3n> Etc*
[17:22] <reisio> you can also specialize filesystems, but that's less useful for /home
[17:23] <reisio> you can put /home on a hard disk, and everything else on an SSD
[17:23] <reisio> etc.
[17:23] <ikonia> duelle: ok - this is a test, "sudo kill -9 $PID" where $PID is the process ID for those processes
[17:23] <ikonia> duelle: then ps -ef | grep avahi make sure they are gone/nothing running
[17:24] <duelle> ikonia, they seem to have restarted immediately
[17:24] <ikonia> duelle: ok - no problem
[17:25] <gkimball> Is there built in functionality in Laravel to retrieve all files from a directory?
[17:25] <ikonia> duelle: sudo stop avahi-daemon
[17:26] <duelle> ikonia, I translated it to ubuntus "sudo service avahi-daemon stop". now it isn't running anymore
[17:26] <ikonia> duelle: ahh ok,
[17:26] <ikonia> duelle: now ping ap.dn3t.local
[17:26] <Freb> Kitt3n: would you recommend to use with /home?
[17:26] <gkimball> I want to retrieve all images from a folder. Currently I am doing this. http://paste.laravel.com/zGP
[17:26] <duelle> ikonia, now it goes through, but there are still those reverse queries in dns log
[17:27] <ikonia> duelle: thats ok - I now understand what's going on
[17:27] <ikonia> duelle: man this is a bad setup (not your fault)
[17:27] <reisio> gkimball: talk to #laravel
[17:27] <gkimball> However I can't then take those paths and slap them in an img src parameter
[17:27] <ikonia> duelle: ok you need to disable avahi
[17:27] <gkimball> Hahaha
[17:27] <gkimball> my bad
[17:27] <ikonia> duelle: or change your domain name from .local to .anythingelse
[17:27] <duelle> ikonia, can you tell me what it does (just short)
[17:27] <Kitt3n> Freb, Yes.
[17:28] <ikonia> duelle: button line is there is a rule that says anything that's .local use avahi which you can see in the strace, it's checking the socket file
[17:28] <ikonia> duelle: so either changing the name of your domain to anything but .lcoal OR disabling avahi fixes it
[17:28] <ikonia> duelle: basically it's hitting avahi not your dns server with ping
[17:28] <Freb> Kitt3n: okey, im trying to learn linux how it works
[17:28] <duelle> ikonia, but is it recommended to use usual tlds for a local net?
[17:28] <ikonia> duelle: hence why it's not found
[17:28] <ikonia> duelle: your setup is fine - the way ubuntu has this setup for .local is just stupid
[17:29] <ikonia> duelle: you have applied common sense, but sadly, it's burnt you hard
[17:29] <duelle> ikonia, ok - so i should use another "fake"-tld to solve (nearly) all those nasty problems?
[17:29] <ikonia> duelle: .internal or something like that
[17:29] <ikonia> duelle: and I believe it should be fine
[17:29] <ikonia> duelle: failing that just disable avahi and use .local
[17:30] <pijush> hello guys i have created a shell script to create desktop icon for application, where i can share it
[17:30] <duelle> ikonia, great, just one question before I go to try to change the tld: Why does ping do reverse dns requests?
[17:31] <ikonia> duelle: that's a little more complex, but from what I can tell, it's to do with finding a route back to you, again due to the ping setup
[17:31] <ikonia> (and ubuntu beign a bit odd in this setup)
[17:31] <ikonia> you can again see a suggestion in it in the strace, but I've not gone deep enough on that yet)
[17:32] <duelle> ikonia, ok, first of all: thank you a lot for your time! Fortunately I hadn't to explain the whole thing to someone else today ;) I'll get back if I have tested to change the tld. So would you recommend to use some tld that is not "official"?
[17:33] <ikonia> duelle: there should be nothing wrong with .local - it just appears to be the way ubuntu has this designed, so yes something like .internal or .mine "should work"
[17:33] <ikonia> duelle: you're very welcome, it's nice to have an interesting problem for a change
[17:35] <cantelope> Hello friends, can someone explain what the benefit is of partitioning linux raid members? I recently set up a new system and used the raw block devices as the members, and then laid an ext4 directly on the md device. When I try to use lshw, the output is really strange for the members.
[17:35] <wilee-nilee> !raid | cantelope
[17:36] <wilee-nilee> cantelope, Not sure if that helps, but is a start.
[17:38] <cantelope> wilee-nilee: I looked at most of those pages already, they don't answer my specific confusion: What is the point of a gpt (or similar) for member devices, and for the resulting device if I only want one large filesystem
[17:39] <draconus> aiten_44 are you still around? :) good news!
[17:41] <wheatthin> hmm
[17:42] <Kitt3n> cantelope, GPT is the required partition table for EFI computers
[17:43] <cantelope> Kitt3n: the drives are 3TB, from my understanding, GPT is the only option for that as well. But do I need it at all? I have no partition tables of any kind on the members or md device and everything works aside from really strange output from lshw. So now I am wondering if I am missing something important by not having the partition table
[17:44] <draconus> can you please tell me what kind of partition is EXT3? Intel or GPT/EFI?
[17:44] <draconus> (that's for testdisk)
[17:44] <reisio> ext3 is a filesystem, not a partition
[17:44] <draconus> reisio indeed, i'm confused
[17:44] <reisio> intel is an arch, gpt is a partition type, and efi is a bios alternative
[17:45] <cantelope> the filesystem is ext4
[17:45] <reisio> there's no particular reason not to use gpt
[17:45] <Kitt3n> reisio, bios alternative? It's the future of bios :P
[17:45] <reisio> I hope not :p
[17:45] <Kitt3n> reisio, what?
[17:45] <reisio> what?
[17:45] <Kitt3n> *confused*
[17:45]  * reisio shrugs
[17:46] <tannji> draconus,  when you are defining a partition, you choose what kind of file system it will use  ext3 and ext4 are popular ones for linux
[17:46] <Kitt3n> EFI <3 anyhow.
[17:46] <duelle> ikonia, should dnsmasq still be disabled or can I reenable it?
[17:46] <reisio> EFI or UEFI? :p
[17:46] <Kitt3n> UEFI then, jee.
[17:46] <Kitt3n> Apple EFI is ew :P
[17:46] <reisio> Kitt3n: what do you like about it? The way it looks?
[17:47] <Kitt3n> reisio, I like it because of the bios menu and GPT :p
[17:47] <wheatthin> probably faster to navigate thru uefi
[17:47] <reisio> so because of the way it looks :p
[17:47] <reisio> you aren't alone
[17:47] <rypervenche> draconus: Intel
[17:47] <reisio> wheatthin: because navigating a BIOS is something everybody needs to do
[17:47] <wheatthin> reisio, at one time or another :)
[17:47] <reisio> lies! :p
[17:48] <brad100> hello
[17:48] <Kitt3n> It's true <-<'
[17:48] <Kitt3n> Hi brad100
[17:48] <reisio> 'lo brad100
[17:48] <Myxomatose> y-a-t-il des français ici ? ^
[17:48] <brad100> does anyone here use postfix&courier with thunderbird ?
[17:48] <Myxomatose> ^^
[17:48] <wheatthin> !french | Myxomatose
[17:48] <reisio> Mysterytrain: /msg alis list *ubunt*fr
[17:49] <Kitt3n> Oh ffs, raining
[17:49] <wheatthin> watch the cursing kitt3n :P
[17:49] <tannji> lol
[17:50] <brad100> no one uses that set up?? damn, i needed help with it xD
[17:50] <draconus> is there a way of creating a browsable partition image? so i could mount that image on a new system and browse/copy from it?
[17:50] <tannji> Kitt3n,  send it here....  we are in what might be a millennial drought
[17:50] <reisio> draconus: dd
[17:50] <draconus> reisio how about ddrescue?
[17:50] <reisio> draconus: if you think there will be errors, sure
[17:51] <giwrgaras> i wonder whos the f$# idiot that had the idea to delete your current os  and to install this ubuntu as your first choice in the os installation
[17:51] <draconus> reisio so in case of stable and clean fs should i just use dd and what i get is mountable?
[17:51] <rypervenche> gddrescue > ddrescue, although the command that it installs is ddrescue
[17:51] <reisio> giwrgaras: ?
[17:51] <reisio> draconus: yes
[17:51] <draconus> rypervenche totally no experience with that
[17:51] <giwrgaras> and adding insult to injury using them side by side is not an option its in the 'something else' or something
[17:51] <reisio> draconus: there are some provisos, but yes
[17:51] <draconus> reisio thank you, i will do some reading
[17:51] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, what?
[17:52] <reisio> draconus: dd'ing isn't the best use of space, frequently, though
[17:52] <giwrgaras> install you know when you install ubuntu
[17:52] <reisio> draconus: a compressed tarball is just as good and takes up less space
[17:52] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, yah?
[17:52] <giwrgaras> im talking about the options that are presented to you
[17:52] <giwrgaras> -no use side by side with windows as a primary option
[17:52] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, install over X system, install beside X system or the advanced option, nothing wrong with that?
[17:52] <draconus> i'm sorry for asking about basic stuff but what is the best solution to check the EXT3 fs? fsck.ext3 or else?
[17:52] <duelle> ikonia, Ok, after renaming all "local" to "lcl" it seems to work fine - even with avahi-daemon started and dnsmasq enabled
[17:53] <reisio> draconus: fsck is the solution
[17:53] <giwrgaras> 1.delete windows install ubuntu. 2. encrypted ubuntu 3. something i didnt get 4. something other
[17:53] <draconus> reisio so i shall be fine with fsck.ext3
[17:53] <reisio> draconus: if it's ext3
[17:53] <draconus> just recovering from a big mess...
[17:53] <reisio> draconus: might check out man shutdown, -F
[17:53] <giwrgaras> in the something other it said to me what type of format you want i didnt have a f clue and i just came here
[17:53] <lenz> Hey guys
[17:54] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, okay, so what do you need help with?
[17:54] <lenz> What's the offtopic ubuntu IRC channel called?
[17:54] <reisio> giwrgaras: there is an option to install alongside Windows
[17:54] <wheatthin> #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:54] <giwrgaras> install alongisde windows
[17:54] <reisio> lenz: /msg alis list *ubunt*
[17:54] <reisio> giwrgaras: right, what about it?
[17:54] <giwrgaras> what type it said something about fat ntfs and some other stuff i dont know
[17:54] <giwrgaras> what do i choose?
[17:54] <reisio> giwrgaras: for partitioning?
[17:55] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, ext4, fat32 for an EFI boot partition
[17:55] <giwrgaras> yes
[17:55] <reisio> giwrgaras: if you go back there should be a guided option
[17:55] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, 'swap' for swap space.
[17:55] <reisio> giwrgaras: but if you want to do it yourself, what Kitt3n just said
[17:56] <yakari> hello
[17:56] <msdaisy> lenz: #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:56] <giwrgaras> im doing it again
[17:56] <giwrgaras> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest
[17:56] <giwrgaras> step 4 was different for me
[17:57] <draconus> is ext4 > ext3?
[17:57] <Kitt3n> Yes
[17:57] <reisio> it's faster
[17:57] <draconus> so seriously ext3 is no more?
[17:57] <draconus> i'm preparing a new dedicated box tonight
[17:57] <reisio> ext3 is more
[17:57] <Kitt3n> draconus, just use ext4
[17:57] <reisio> ext4 is just faster
[17:58] <draconus> i like that reply :)
[17:58] <reisio> which'n? :p
[17:58] <wheatthin> it's what he explained in the other channel
[17:58] <draconus> both :)
[17:58] <wheatthin> :P
[17:58] <Kitt3n> Newer is usually best, especially when the installer defaults to ext4
[17:58] <reisio> well
[17:59] <reisio> when Ubuntu was defaulting to ext4, before everyone else, it was still a tad buggy :p
[17:59] <wheatthin> yeah
[17:59] <reisio> but that was ages ago, ext4 is fine at this point
[17:59] <draconus> so no buggy atm :)
[17:59] <reisio> no buggy atm
[17:59] <Kitt3n> That's the same with EFI, old EFI motherboards are buggy as crap
[17:59] <draconus> i don't really want to become a test monkey on that box
[17:59] <draconus> not with fs at least :)
[17:59] <reisio> draconus: ext4 is what I would use
[17:59] <draconus> OK
[18:00] <draconus> ext4 is go then
[18:00] <sindri> Hi all again, finally got my vsftpd up and running; though I'm currently running into the error:530 Non-anonymous sessions must use encryption.
[18:00] <duelle> ikonia, when you asked whether dns added the hostnames to my zone-file or not: Is it possible to assign these hostnames via dhcp mac<->IP/Name without hardcoding them additionally in dns-zone-files?
[18:00] <wheatthin> <--is using hfs+ :D love it
[18:00] <wilee-nilee> draconus, Where have you been hibernating ext4 has been fine for like several years. ;)
[18:00] <wheatthin> 0.o
[18:00] <draconus> reisio now if only i manage to dd 1TB of data to another drive...
[18:00] <Kitt3n> wheaties466, isn't that Apple?
[18:00] <wheatthin> lol yeah
[18:00] <reisio> draconus: really bad idea
[18:00] <Kitt3n> ...DANG it.
[18:00] <reisio> draconus: make a tarball instead
[18:00] <draconus> wilee-nilee haven't updated anything for a while ;)
[18:01] <Kitt3n> wheatthin, Apple stuff is bad for your health
[18:01] <wilee-nilee> draconus, Heh,;)
[18:01] <draconus> reisio so you would suggest tarball instead
[18:01] <wheatthin> negative.. especially gui related :P
[18:01] <reisio> draconus: yup
[18:02] <draconus> reisio but opening a 600GB tarball will take a while, wouldn't it? not to mention creating the tar itself
[18:02] <wheatthin> can run ubuntu and other os's more stable in vm within snow leopard better than the actual live install 0.o
[18:02] <Freb> is it possible to mount 2 external hardrives to mount like /data?
[18:02] <reisio> draconus: it'll take less time than finding 1TB of empty space to put a dd image
[18:02] <reisio> unless you are just that well off
[18:02] <draconus> reisio i just thought that partition image would be so much nicer because i do have another 1TB drive mounted and it's quite empty
[18:03] <reisio> Freb: yes
[18:03] <wheatthin> draconus, then it wouldn't be a 1tb tarball
[18:03] <draconus> reisio in fact it has been spinning for nothing for 2 years ;)
[18:03] <Freb> reisio: do you know how to do that?
[18:03] <reisio> Freb: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS (& 'Other implementations' section)
[18:04] <reisio> draconus: dd copies things exactly
[18:04] <domingo> gg
[18:04] <reisio> draconus: you can compress it, but then it'd have the same delay as extracting a tarball
[18:04] <reisio> not exactly the same, but close enough :p
[18:04] <draconus> reisio i just would love to do it as precisely as possible and without any troubles and then be able to easily browse the backup and grab stuff out of it in no time
[18:05] <draconus> reisio i will test dd on some small partition
[18:05] <reisio> draconus: hrmmm
[18:05] <wheatthin> draconus, then use dd into an iso image
[18:05] <reisio> surely there's a tarfs somewhere...
[18:06] <draconus> wheatthin i was about to but reisio told me to use tar instead
[18:06] <draconus> reisio tarfs sounds great :)
[18:06] <draconus> crazy stuff :)
[18:06] <wheatthin> draconus, tar compresses, so it'll take the time to uncompress it
[18:06] <reisio> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tarfs/
[18:06] <reisio> tar doesn't actually compress, unless you ask it to (with another app)
[18:06] <reisio> but it might be worth gzipping at least, gzip is very fast either way
[18:06] <draconus> wheatthin indeed and i care more about quick access to the backup than space it will take itself
[18:07] <reisio> the tar will be better than a dd image regardless, unless the 1TB is entirely full
[18:07] <reisio> in which case it'd make little difference
[18:07] <draconus> reisio those are 3 partitions totalling at around 900GB
[18:07] <draconus> and i want to be done quick and dirty
[18:07] <reisio> draconus: well in that case, I guess a dd is fine :p
[18:07] <draconus> and don't lose a bit
[18:07] <reisio> draconus: just remember to use a decent bs value
[18:07] <reisio> or it'll be copying for months
[18:08] <draconus> reisio i actually know nothing about the parameters to set...
[18:08] <draconus> reisio bs sounds like bullshit to me ;)
[18:08] <reisio> draconus: you want to backup individual partitions?
[18:08] <reisio> heheh
[18:08] <wheatthin> language plz :P
[18:08] <reisio> byte size
[18:08] <draconus> reisio yes
[18:08] <draconus> wheatthin i'm sorry, it was that bs thing ;)
[18:09] <reisio> draconus: for example, dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/wherever/you/like.dd bs=1M
[18:09] <draconus> reisio i would imagine that as 3 nice images onto other drive and then i'm done and wiping that system drive and putting new partitions on and installing new distro and done
[18:09] <reisio> draconus: if you don't explicitly specify a higher byte size, it uses a very low value which'll have you copying forever
[18:09] <wheatthin> xo it's accessible, use .iso extension
[18:09] <reisio> draconus: sounds like a plan
[18:09] <wheatthin> so*
[18:10] <wheatthin> that way you can just mount it and grab whatever file you need
[18:10] <draconus> reisio so is bs just like the block size in ntfs?
[18:10] <reisio> draconus: it doesn't have to match anything, but there are some advantages if it corresponds to certain things
[18:10] <draconus> wheatthin then i want to tell dd to create .iso right?
[18:10] <reisio> not huge advantages
[18:10] <wheatthin> yeah
[18:10] <reisio> it's just a file extension
[18:11] <draconus> reisio there are many big files on those partitions like mysql backups 2GB each etc.
[18:11] <reisio> wheatthin is thinking of GUI apps you might use from a file manager
[18:11] <reisio> which presume a .iso extension
[18:11] <draconus> reisio but there are also many small text files, scripts, etc.
[18:11] <reisio> draconus: it's just how much it copies at once
[18:11] <reisio> draconus: if you don't explicitly set it higher than its default, it will take days and days to copy 1TB
[18:11] <draconus> reisio oh i get it now, so it's about sucking in :)
[18:12] <draconus> reisio but then why not put 10MB or more in there?
[18:12] <reisio> it's like a printer printing four pages at once instead of one
[18:12] <reisio> draconus: you may well want to put 10mb or more :)
[18:12] <reisio> I'm not a dd expert, but I know this much, you don't want the default :)
[18:12] <draconus> wheatthin and would it be really easy to mount such .iso in console? no issues related to size and all that?
[18:12] <wheatthin> yup
[18:12] <draconus> that's just magic
[18:13] <reisio> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29#Data_transfer has one with 4096 as an example
[18:13] <draconus> in fact i could clone my dedicated in hours that way...
[18:13] <reisio> although in console, the .iso will truly not matter
[18:13] <wheatthin> mount -t iso9660 -l loop /isoname.iso /media/<username>/<mountpoint>
[18:13] <reisio> no...
[18:13] <reisio> dd does not make iso-9660 filesystems
[18:13] <reisio> it just copies data
[18:13] <Kitt3n> Hmm..I've never really gotten a good answer on why my HDMI audio doesn't work, afterall I am not using radeon?
[18:13] <draconus> hm
[18:13] <reisio> the .iso extension will only help you with silly GUI apps that assume that extension
[18:14] <wheatthin> ok.. the don't specify the fs
[18:14] <draconus> so no need to use -t?
[18:14] <reisio> the usefulness of .dd is that you will remember it's from dd
[18:14] <reisio> use .dd.iso if you want to remember and have .iso for cosmetics
[18:14] <reisio> draconus: not usually
[18:14] <draconus> just the -l loop right? to tell it it's a file
[18:14] <reisio> -o loop
[18:14] <reisio> yeah
[18:14] <draconus> so -o loop
[18:14] <reisio> right
[18:15] <draconus> i will test right now on a small boot partition
[18:15] <reisio> will probably 'just work' for partitions
[18:15] <reisio> if you dd an entire device, sometimes you have to jump through hoops
[18:15] <giwrgaras> all the pictures in the tutorial are false
[18:15] <draconus> and i'm so damn thankful for both of you guys
[18:15] <reisio> draconus: good idea
[18:15] <giwrgaras> the option the DEFAULT option is replace windows 8 with ubuntu
[18:15] <draconus> reisio not sure what hoops is...
[18:15] <draconus> hoop*
[18:15] <Dandalion> DD as in wiping the drive DOD style?
[18:15] <reisio> draconus: figure of speech
[18:16] <reisio> draconus: if you dd an entire device, instead of individual partitions, you have to explain to 'mount' which part of the image is a single FS
[18:16] <wheatthin> brb
[18:16] <reisio> it's extra work
[18:16] <reisio> just FYI
[18:16] <draconus> Dandalion hope not...
[18:16] <Dandalion> lol oh
[18:16] <draconus> reisio oh that you mean
[18:16] <Dandalion> what are some cool programs to check out on Ubuntu for newbies?
[18:16] <reisio> draconus: dd can also do things like write zeros to devices, is what Dandalion is talking about
[18:16] <draconus> reisio so it's generally better to dd /dev/sda3 than /dev/sda
[18:16] <reisio> draconus: the important thing to remember is to get the of=foo value correct
[18:17] <reisio> draconus: well, depends on the application :)
[18:17] <reisio> it's a little more straightforward to mount dd copies of individual partitions is all
[18:17] <draconus> reisio i have no idea about the parameters, just gluing the knowledge together bit by bit...
[18:17] <reisio> :D
[18:17] <Dandalion> reisio: not sure, what I'm thinking about is how you format your drive X number of times until the data can't be retrieved in any way
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Dandalion: Poke around in Ubuntu Software Center
[18:17] <wilee-nilee> Dandalion, This is support not polling there is #ubuntu-offtopic as well. ;)
[18:17] <reisio> Dandalion: yeah I know
[18:17] <reisio> Dandalion: you're just bringing that up because we're talking about dd, though right?
[18:17] <draconus> reisio but isn't dd really used to wipe data instead of creating image?
[18:17] <reisio> draconus: no, dd copies data
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> reisio: Gutmann ring a bell? XD
[18:18] <Dandalion> ohhh ok wilee-nilee thanks
[18:18] <reisio> it can copy nothing onto something, wiping data
[18:18] <reisio> or it can copy something onto something, copying data
[18:18] <draconus> reisio and how do i choose the right one? :)
[18:18] <reisio> SonikkuAmerica: yes
[18:18] <reisio> draconus: just be sure the path after 'of=' (output file) is 100% correct
[18:18] <draconus> i think i'm getting some google examples handy
[18:18] <giwrgaras> installation: install ubuntu alongside windows 8 - NOT THERE
[18:18] <reisio> draconus: if you accidentally use of=/dev/sda, for example, you will overwrite /dev/sda
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> reisio: I think Gutmann is dd /dev/zero to wherever 35 times
[18:18] <draconus> reisio hm right so full path to the output file on another drive
[18:19] <reisio> draconus: which you almost certainly do not want at this time
[18:19] <giwrgaras> default option - REPLACE WINDOWS 8 WITH UBUNTU
[18:19] <reisio> SonikkuAmerica: that's nice
[18:19] <skogen_> Hi all. I'm not using Ubuntu myself, but I want to make my distro look like ubuntu... Could anyone tell me what the name of the "window border" theme used default in Ubuntu is?
[18:19] <reisio> draconus: right, use tab completion
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> skogen_: metacity
[18:19] <reisio> draconus: if the path completes using tab, you can be more confident it is correct
[18:19] <draconus> reisio very dangerous as it can't and won't distinguish between actual fs and device to use... scary...
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> skogen_: (You need GTK+)
[18:19] <reisio> draconus: it is quite raw :)
[18:19] <skogen_> SonikkuAmerica: Ok, thanks. I think I have GTK+, so it should be no problem.
[18:19] <reisio> draconus: there are higher level utils for it if you like
[18:20] <reisio> draconus: but it's pretty simple, just don't mess up 'of=' :)
[18:20] <SonikkuAmerica> skogen_: The theme itself is called "Ambiance"
[18:20] <skogen_> SonikkuAmerica: It is that dark grey/orange theme, right?
[18:20] <install1> what's the proper way to create a dual boot Xubuntu 12.04 and an ubuntu 13.04 on the same disk??? Installing them alongside each other corrupts both versions.
[18:20] <reisio> draconus: and remember when you run a command and realize you didn't want to, just press CTRL+c to cancel it
[18:20] <SonikkuAmerica> skogen_: Yep
[18:20] <draconus> reisio so was messing with core libs and other stuff on that box last night... i ended up with totally broken fs or at least looked like that and everyone told me that my hdd is dead... in fact it was something else and i still don't know what went wrong but netboot cleared that crap...
[18:20] <skogen_> SonikkuAmerica: Ok, thanks, will try it.
[18:20] <SonikkuAmerica> skogen_: I thought it was brown
[18:20] <reisio> draconus: in the event you, for example, accidentally used dd of=/dev/sda, you'd likely only have lots a little bit of your FS
[18:20] <wilee-nilee> install1, You want XP in the first partition then ubuntu.
[18:21] <reisio> and could probably recover the rest
[18:21] <giwrgaras> http://askubuntu.com/questions/306375/how-to-install-ubuntu-13-04-alongside-with-windows-8
[18:21] <skogen_> SonikkuAmerica: Hehe, maybe it is. It's been a while since I looked at it.
[18:21] <reisio> draconus: heh
[18:21] <draconus> reisio i was even getting I/o errors all over
[18:21] <giwrgaras> what a fucking fail
[18:21] <reisio> draconus: first stpe is always not to panic
[18:21] <giwrgaras> bb
[18:21] <reisio> step*
[18:21] <ArmoredDragoon> Is there any way to recursively hard link a directory? A la the windows ln.exe command, e.g. ln.exe --recursive /source/path /dest/path. I'm not trying to hard link the directory itself, but rather recreate the directory tree with each individual file hard linked
[18:21] <draconus> reisio i did panic but i took it slow and nice and that worked... i feel like a pro now :)
[18:21] <wilee-nilee> install1, Sorry I see a X and think XP, my bad
[18:21] <install1> no, I want xubuntu 12.04 in the first partition and ubuntu 13.04 in the second partition.
[18:21] <reisio> ArmoredDragoon: http://search.cpan.org/~jv/lntree-1.10/script/lntree ?
[18:22] <wilee-nilee> install1, You can have both in one install.
[18:22] <ArmoredDragoon> reisio: beautiful, thanks
[18:22] <jrib> ArmoredDragoon: cp can do this, see its options.  Also, possibly look at rsync
[18:22] <draconus> reisio funny thing is that i left that box in perfect condition and went to bed and it happend 30 mins later when the fs went berzerk, when i woke up i remember mysql sucking off the core and i couldn't access files at all
[18:23] <wilee-nilee> install1, if the same release, not sure why you are having problems, can you detail them?
[18:23] <reisio> ArmoredDragoon: oh, lndir is another potential option, possibly easier to get than a cpan thing
[18:23] <install1> I want separate partitions so I can boot to either version.
[18:23] <draconus> reisio and the logs look just scary, perfectly broken drive while it's not
[18:23] <wilee-nilee> install1, Sure, and you say there is corruption, can you explain that?
[18:24] <install1> they aren't the same release, one is Xubuntu 12.04, the other is ubuntu 14.04.
[18:24] <ArmoredDragoon> reisio, cool looks like it's part of xutils-dev
[18:24] <reisio> install1: when you get to the part about grub, tell it to install to the partition (/dev/sda1, for example) instead of the device (/dev/sda)
[18:24] <reisio> install1: then they won't touch each other
[18:24] <jrib> ArmoredDragoon: I still think you're better off using cp or rsync for what you asked
[18:24] <reisio> install1: or, rather, tell at least one of them to install grub to the partition instead of the device
[18:24] <wilee-nilee> install1, That makes no sense, and there is no 14.04
[18:24] <reisio> ArmoredDragoon: what, lndir?
[18:24] <install1> typo. meant to say 13.04
[18:24] <reisio> oh indeed
[18:25] <draconus> reisio what happens when you tell grub to install to /dev/sda?
[18:25] <install1> typo, meant to say 13.04.
[18:25] <reisio> draconus: that is the normal action
[18:25] <reisio> install1 wants separation
[18:25] <ArmoredDragoon> jrib: would that be -Rl?
[18:25] <draconus> reisio because that's what i did last night... could it break the fs?
[18:25] <reisio> draconus: no, that is normal
[18:25] <ArmoredDragoon> e.g. cp -Rl /source/path /dest/path
[18:25] <reisio> draconus: it actually installs to a space at the beginning, before your FSes
[18:25] <draconus> reisio weird then
[18:25] <wilee-nilee> install1, We can't really help efficiently if you do not layout the problems you have had. a dual boot is fairly easy with any set of OS's.
[18:25] <reisio> draconus: reserved for boot loaders
[18:25] <jrib> ArmoredDragoon: yeah
[18:26] <draconus> reisio that's the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking of the reason why it all broke
[18:26] <install1> it appears that I have to use the 'something else' option in the live cd-
[18:26] <draconus> reisio in fact it wasn't broken, the system just couldn't get the partitions right and read them
[18:26] <reisio> draconus: I doubt that was it, but... if you're done with that there's not much point talking about it
[18:26] <reisio> install1: as opposed to?
[18:26] <draconus> reisio i just like to understand what's going on
[18:26] <wilee-nilee> !who > install1
[18:26] <reisio> draconus: :)
[18:27] <ArmoredDragoon> jrib: cool, seems to have worked
[18:27] <install1> ok, was hoping there might be an easy answer-can't layout the entire problem easily in this forum.
[18:28] <reisio> install1: I already gave it :)
[18:29] <reisio> install1: if your only option is 'something else', all you have to do really is tell the installer what to use as a root (/) partition, and what for swap
[18:29] <reisio> install1: you can share a swap partition without any problems
[18:30] <wilee-nilee> install1, If you are going to dualboot I would get acquainted with the something else option, you then can install anything in the right place.
[18:30] <reisio> install1: unless you get into hibernation issues :)
[18:30] <reisio> what you should probably do, though, is use a VM for one :p
[18:30] <reisio> or better yet, just stop using one
[18:30] <reisio> how many OSes do you really need? :)
[18:30] <wilee-nilee> 4
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> 5
[18:30] <reisio> heh
[18:30] <reisio> ϕ
[18:30] <reisio> fofum
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> 28374659827364592763948576239847526938475 <<< That many.
[18:31] <reisio> ratsarot
[18:32] <install1> reisio wilee Using hte something else option also makes an error, can't remember the wording......but it says something is wrong and directs me to correct it via the partitioning tool......
[18:32] <reisio> install1: mmmm if you did some odd manual partitioning in the past, you may have confused it
[18:33] <reisio> install1: but you can also manually partition with gparted, and then just tell the installer which partitions to use
[18:34] <install1> reisio that's what I tried to do-used gparted, but it says something else is needeed when I try to make a second install in the secong partition.
[18:34] <reisio> install1: well you'll have to be more specific, I'm afraid
[18:35] <install1> reisio unfortunately, I can't remember the exact wording of the error.
[18:35] <wilee-nilee> install1, Can you take a screenshot of gparted and imagebin it
[18:35] <install1> reisio yes, my bad, sorry........
[18:37] <microm> where do I find the list of patches ubuntu applies on top of GNU Make?
[18:37] <holstein> !source
[18:37] <install1> reisio I am doing a new install now, will attempt to save a screenshot so others can see my issue. Is it possible for the live cd to do the partitioning and install for the second partition automatically?
[18:38] <Seven_Six_Two> microm: https://launchpad.net/make
[18:42] <microm> Seven_Six_Two: do you know where this info is for linux mint?
[18:42] <holstein> !mint | microm
[18:42] <auronandace> !mint | microm
[18:43] <holstein> microm: could be the same package, but you'd need to ask them to see what, if any changes have been made
[18:53] <draconus> if i can only access my box via rescue (netboot) and i need to take full backups of mysql databases... what do i do? is it enough to copy all files from /var/mysql and put them back after reinstall?
[18:54] <reisio> draconus: you can copy files, but dumping is more better
[18:54] <draconus> reisio i do want to dump but i don't think that i can run mysql while in rescue mode
[18:54] <reisio> yeah you could maybe from a live OS
[18:54] <reisio> but yeah, copying all the data should suffice, obviously
[18:55] <draconus> reisio no choice like that, it's a remote box
[18:55] <reisio> it's stored somewhere, isn't it :)
[18:55] <draconus> reisio yes it is but still...
[18:55] <reisio> just check that you can get the data you want from the data you copy before you get rid of the source of the data you copy
[18:57] <draconus> reisio no choice like that again :)
[18:57] <reisio> hrmm?
[18:57] <draconus> reisio i need to reinstall aka wipe first to install fresh mysql and then try to "import"
[18:57] <draconus> and i can only hope...
[18:57] <yang> how to edit /etc/network/interfaces for open wifi, could anyone paste the lines
[18:58] <reisio> draconus: so why won't it boot, again?
[18:58] <rypervenche> draconus: Just copy over the folder /var/lib/mysql
[19:00] <draconus> reisio hm basically it might boot but i'm not sure because it terribly broke and i had to netboot to see my filesystem at all... all i had there was root mounted as read only
[19:00] <draconus> reisio so not really sure if it will boot now
[19:01] <draconus> reisio all i remember is some grub setup i was going tru while changing packages
[19:01] <reisio> chaning?
[19:01] <reisio> changing*?
[19:01] <draconus> reisio i suspect it had to do with it because e.g. mount wasn't showing mounts, fdisk -l wasn't showing partitions and fsck couldn't find superblock... looked like a toast, while simple reboot into netboot and mount worked fine...
[19:02] <draconus> even testdisk was spitting out 1000s of I/O errors
[19:02] <reisio> I don't think anything to do with grub could do that
[19:02] <draconus> can you imagine such a crap?
[19:02] <reisio> sounds more like hardware dying
[19:02] <reisio> but if it happened at the same moment of some particular software execution...
[19:02] <draconus> i told the colo guy to check/replace the SATA cable
[19:03] <draconus> yes it did
[19:03] <draconus> it was fine for 3 years
[19:03] <draconus> i started messing with software and went to bed, i woke up to the dead box
[19:03] <reisio> well, would have to know specifically what software was doing what at the moment to debug it
[19:04] <draconus> reisio i basically needed to manually put a newer libc6 which caused lots of issues and i managed all that after 2 hours
[19:04] <reisio> mmm
[19:04] <draconus> reisio that was because of newer jemalloc i needed
[19:04] <draconus> long story
[19:04] <reisio> it's weird that it's 2013 and people (hosters, etc.) still don't just provide a redundant rescue system that actually has useful utils
[19:04] <draconus> so i started playing just to put all the crap together
[19:04] <reisio> I mean why not just make the rescue system full featured :p
[19:04] <reisio> it'll save them time & money in the long run
[19:04] <andreia_> hello
[19:05] <reisio> hi andreia_
[19:05] <draconus> reisio well it is quite well featured, it just is a netboot
[19:05] <reisio> draconus: doesn't sound featured enough
[19:05] <draconus> reisio because that's free :)
[19:05] <reisio> heh
[19:05] <draconus> reisio there are better tools but they cost money
[19:05] <reisio> well, you could've setup your own redundancy! :p
[19:05] <draconus> reisio i damn will
[19:06] <draconus> reisio and i will dd the box to another one every week ;)
[19:06] <rypervenche> I can't tell you how nice it is to have a RAID.
[19:06] <reisio> draconus: :p
[19:06] <draconus> rypervenche i can't tell how much it costs to have 5 drives in that colo :)
[19:06] <reisio> rypervenche: not that kind of redundancy
[19:06] <draconus> you*
[19:06] <reisio> actual redundancy :p
[19:06] <reisio> doesn't matter, raid is redundancy for the sake of access, not preservation
[19:06] <reisio> it's not what would've helped you
[19:07] <tannji> Where do I look up current networking settings?  Need to check Hostname and such
[19:07] <rypervenche> reisio: You're talking backups?
[19:07] <draconus> so i had all those backups, nightly, hourly even... sitting on that damn drive ;) talk about safety :)
[19:07] <reisio> rypervenche: no
[19:07] <reisio> rypervenche: though those would've helped him, too
[19:07] <rypervenche> reisio: What do you mean by redundancy then?
[19:07] <reisio> redundant systems
[19:07] <reisio> so if one breaks, he can still get things done
[19:08] <reisio> redundancy
[19:08] <rypervenche> HA?
[19:08] <reisio> no...
[19:08] <rypervenche> That's what I would consider HA.
[19:08] <reisio> it's not HA, it's just basic (un)common sense redundancy
[19:09] <rypervenche> Mkay, so basically a failover.
[19:09] <reisio> HA smacks of RAID! :p
[19:09] <yang> how to edit /etc/network/interfaces for open wifi, could anyone paste the lines
[19:09] <reisio> failover works
[19:09] <reisio> I'm just going to call it redundancy
[19:09] <rypervenche> reisio: Yay! We sort of agree on a word!
[19:09] <reisio> weee
[19:09] <reisio> one small step
[19:09] <reisio> imagine what else we could agree on
[19:09] <reisio> what do you think of the letter 'a'?
[19:10] <rypervenche> O_o whoa whoa whoa, don't get carried away man...
[19:10] <reisio> I think it's a bit pretentious
[19:10] <reisio> :p
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> it's a vowel what do you exsspect
[19:10] <reisio> heh
[19:11] <reisio> vwlsrsodmb
[19:11] <IdleOne> !ot
[19:11] <IdleOne> play in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[19:14] <Seven_Six_Two> yang: I haven't done it, but I'm fairly certain you have to change more than that for an open ap
[19:15] <tannji> Where do I look up current networking settings?  Need to check Hostname and such
[19:15] <Seven_Six_Two> yang: http://askubuntu.com/questions/180733/how-to-setup-a-wi-fi-hotspot-access-point-mode
[19:17] <Seven_Six_Two> yang: if you only want to connect to an open hotspot, you shouldn't have to change your interfaces file.
[19:18] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: open a terminal and type "hostname"
[19:18] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: for your other settings, type "ifconfig -a"
[19:18] <Luke___> Hello, Please can you assist me? I have downloaded a VM containing a 'minimal'  12. Ubuntu install... I am logged in...can anyone tell me the commands to get a gui?
[19:19] <Luke___> i tried: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:19] <Luke___> but i dont have the repository :S
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> Luke___, Sounds like a not canonical release am I right?
[19:19] <Seven_Six_Two> Luke___: you will have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include all of the standard repos.
[19:19] <tannji> Seven_Six_Two,   thanks man
[19:19] <yang> how to edit /etc/network/interfaces for open wifi, could anyone paste the lines
[19:20] <yang> i have wireless-essid set
[19:20] <Seven_Six_Two> yang: what do you mean, "for open wifi"
[19:20] <gregor3005> hi, i print the first time with abs, should i higher the heatbed temperature? i does not stick with 65°C
[19:20] <Luke___> yeah its from 'bitnami
[19:20] <sliddjur> When I create a scp://user@server.com it creates sftp and not scp connection?
[19:20] <sliddjur> in nautilus
[19:20] <yang> seven open wifi without encryption key
[19:21] <Seven_Six_Two> yang: do you not have a gui?
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> Luke___, 3rd party Os's are not supported, however this is a source generator. http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[19:21] <andreia_> how to instll it from usb?
[19:21] <tannji> Seven_Six_Two, "tannji-ubuntu" would be my host name?
[19:22] <Seven_Six_Two> tannji: that's it
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> Luke___, It may be that your source list has to tie to where you got the image, it would help if you gave actual details.
[19:22] <tannji> lol, k...  not what I was expecting, but I should know better by now
[19:22] <gregor3005> ah i found it in the wiki -> 110°C
[19:23] <Luke___> Its this: http://bitnami.com/stack/openerp/virtual-machine
[19:23] <andreia_> the sequence to install from usb please
[19:23] <Luke___> unfortunately I know open ERP through and through.. but not linux :S
[19:23] <IdleOne> !usb
[19:23] <yang> seven
[19:23] <yang> any idea
[19:24] <reisio> erp, heh
[19:24] <Seven_Six_Two> http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/
[19:24] <andreia_> last time I tried to install from usb it asked for user and password after install, and I dont know what it was
[19:24] <reisio> andreia_: you probably set it during installation
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> Luke___, That install is not supported here, if you want a minimal you should use the netload mini, and install what you want, what you have is not supported here.
[19:25] <Seven_Six_Two> andreia_: it's set by you during install
[19:25] <Luke___> ok thanks :)
[19:25] <reisio> andreia_: you can fix that from the install media, though
[19:25] <andreia_> I will try again
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> andreia_: press CTRL+ALT+F1 and run: passwd ubuntu ,set the pass and press CTRL+ALT+F7 and log in
[19:25] <Seven_Six_Two> andreia_: after install to the usb or install to the pc?
[19:26] <reisio> andreia_: have you already eliminated the install you can't log into?
[19:26] <andreia_> after install to the usb
[19:26] <andreia_> yes
[19:26] <Seven_Six_Two> I don't think there's a password set for the live. just hit enter
[19:27] <andreia_> I got it, thanks
[19:28] <gregor3005> did anybody print this squirrel? http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:102951
[19:28] <Seven_Six_Two> andreia_: btw the real install process is much different from putting it on the usb key
[19:28] <gregor3005> it has many problems and the generated gcode is not the squirrel
[19:28] <andreia_> after install I will connect the internet cable and how to set the net card
[19:29] <andreia_> the ip address and gateway
[19:29] <andreia_> man what?
[19:29] <Seven_Six_Two> andreia_: connect the internet cable before the install
[19:29] <andreia_> ok
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> gregor3005, Not a ubuntu issue or a support problem.
[19:29] <Seven_Six_Two> andreia_: what's at the other end of that cable?
[19:30] <andreia_> the Internet
[19:30] <Seven_Six_Two> andreia_: sure, I'm at the other end, but not literally. What does the cable plug in to?
[19:30] <fatNERD> need help with binding ipv6 to network device. thnx
[19:30] <andreia_> router
[19:31] <docvell> I have a question about VLC quitting on me when I play a video
[19:31] <Seven_Six_Two> andreia_: yeah, just plug in before the install, and the computer will detect the router's dhcp server
[19:31] <docvell> it works perfectly fine for mp3's
[19:31] <andreia_> during install of slackware the config of the net was easy
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> Guest94887, can you use a nick guest is not tab complete friendly.
[19:31] <andreia_> I got it
[19:34] <docvell> PROBLEM: I used to use VLC to play all my media files as it was a great program to use.  Now I can't view videos on it without it quitting on me right before the video plays.  I tried to uninstall it and reinstall it, but no luck...I even tried the settings and still no luck.  I would like permission to paste my error message I get when I tried it from the command line.
[19:34] <IdleOne> !paste
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> docvell: do other apps work ok?
[19:37] <fatNERD> docvell: open up the terminal and type 'vlc <video file> , it will show the error msg of to why it wouldnt play
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> docvell: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[19:38] <docvell> ok hold on a sec
[19:39] <docvell> Ubuntu 13.04 \n \l
[19:39] <docvell>  that's what I get for "cat /etc/issue" now going to do the 'vlc <video file>'
[19:41] <docvell> doctorvell@DoctorVell:~/Downloads$ vlc a.mp4
[19:41] <docvell> VLC media player 2.0.6 Twoflower (revision 2.0.6-0-gbe9623c)
[19:41] <docvell> [0x205a108] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[19:41] <docvell> [0x7ff228001268] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor
[19:41] <docvell> The program 'vlc' received an X Window System error.
[19:41] <docvell> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[19:41] <docvell> The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'.
[19:41] <docvell>   (Details: serial 12 error_code 1 request_code 153 minor_code 19)
[19:41] <docvell>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[19:41] <docvell>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[19:41] <docvell>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[19:41] <docvell>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[19:41] <docvell>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[19:41] <docvell> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[19:41] <IdleOne> !paste | docvell
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> docvell: uninstalling and reinstalling does near zero. Have you also tried renaming the vlc config folder then running the app?
[19:42] <docvell> where is that?
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> !info vlc
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> docvell: close all running vlc instances and run: mv ~/.config/vlc ~/.config/vlc_old
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> docvell: then run the app
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> docvell: better?
[19:48] <docvell> nope
[19:49] <reisio> nope
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> docvell: same error? we need more details
[19:49] <docvell> I'll try later I have to get going (wife and I have plans)
[19:49] <docvell> later all
[19:54] <prasath_> hi had nybody used vmworkstation in ubuntu
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> !anybody
[19:55] <Kitt3n> !gq
[19:56] <Kitt3n> Cool.
[20:00] <reboot> hi
[20:01] <Vec_> hai
[20:01] <reboot> why  rhythmbox developers are so slow
[20:01] <reisio> reboot: some reason they should be faster?
[20:01] <reboot> i have one bug in a 2 years
[20:01] <wilee-nilee> reboot, Ask them.
[20:01] <reboot> =))
[20:01] <reboot> yeah
[20:01] <reboot> right decision
[20:02] <Kitt3n> reboot, perhaps they don't know how to fix this "bug"? :)
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> !enter > reboot
[20:02] <reisio> ...
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> reboot: is the bug reported?
[20:05] <reboot> Kitt3n, it would be sad if it's true )
[20:05] <reboot> ActionParsnip, i had always send reports
[20:05] <ActionParsnip> reboot: good. that helps
[20:06] <reboot> sarcasm? =)
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> reboot: no, letting the guys know when things arent right is good
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> reboot: why would it be otherwise?
[20:06] <Kitt3n> Yup, that's why Windows and Mac suck :D
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: you've never logged a bug report to microsoft?
[20:07] <Kitt3n> Except they made by big greedy companies whom don't care for their users.
[20:08]  * wilee-nilee loves blind rhetoric, lol
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: office365 also has an amazong community. I assume you are aware of that too
[20:09] <Kitt3n> I stopped using Windows when I saw how horrible Windows 8 is.
[20:09] <reboot> when you are trying to subscribe on a new podcasts from search tab, program can crash and destroy all session buffer (with all subscribed podcasts)
[20:10] <Sanjuro> hey guys, having a DNS issue.
[20:10] <reboot> sorry for english...
[20:10] <reboot> very sad issue)
[20:10] <Sanjuro> I can ping public addresses by IP but not hostname
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: i support microsoft products at at work as well as debian and solaris. we work very closely with microsoft to get stuff done
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> sanjuro: what translates names to ip addresses?
[20:10] <Kitt3n> ^
[20:11] <Sanjuro> well route -n shows 0.0.0.0 pointing at my router
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> sanjuro: you will need nameservers defining
[20:11] <Kitt3n> Sanjuro, It's most likely your ISPs DNS server that has failed
[20:11] <Sanjuro> nah
[20:11] <Sanjuro> I can ping fine from other lan devices out
[20:11] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, I don't have that, and my internet works
[20:11] <Sanjuro> using same router
[20:11] <reboot> ActionParsnip, this is not working) i've sending 2 years this report with no result
[20:11] <Sanjuro> I have my router specified as a nameserver in resolv.conf
[20:11] <Kitt3n> Sanjuro, tried rebooting?
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> sanjuro: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
[20:12] <Sanjuro> lol what the heck Acce
[20:12] <Sanjuro> err ActionParsnip
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: try multinationally located sites running realtime apps :-)
[20:12] <Sanjuro> I had that in there before but it wasnt working so I removed it and just left my routers IP
[20:12] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, like?
[20:12] <Sanjuro> that worked though thanks.
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> sanjuro: you are failing dns so we set the dns and now stuff works. get fully updated and see if it is stil bad. if not we can make it stick
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: what do you mean? the question is meaningless
[20:13] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, err, it's the search domains I didn't fill out. durr
[20:14] <Sanjuro> okay, doing an update/upgrade
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: search domain is optional
[20:14] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, no idea what it means or does, and I don't care ;p
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: then why say it?
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: its a basic part of dns.....
[20:15] <mattviapc> Hi
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> hi mattviapc: howdy
[20:16] <mattviapc> Ive got 2 hard drives (1 with windows, another just storing some files and programs of windows). I was wondering if I go into ubuntu and create a partition on the hard drive storing my windows file, will it be affected>
[20:17] <[Gentoo]> mattviapc: it wont
[20:17] <[Gentoo]> if you're careful
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> mattvaipc: you can resize ntfs in windows if you want. your data backups will cover any issues
[20:18] <reisio> mattviapc: what version of windows?
[20:18] <mattviapc> Its a 250gb drive, with 40gb being used and I partition it to be 150gb/100gb I should be good?
[20:18] <mattviapc> reisio 7
[20:18] <reisio> 7 should be defragged already, but you might double check
[20:18] <Sanjuro> ActionParsnip, update/upgrade, you suggest reboot see if it sticks?
[20:19] <mattviapc> what do you mean?
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> sanjuro: yes. if not we can make it permanent
[20:19] <[Gentoo]> mattviapc: if you partition with gparted it will move any data anyway
[20:19] <[Gentoo]> if its spewed all over the place
[20:20] <mattviapc> reisio I just want to be sure if I shrink my HD in ubuntu that it wont affect my windows files
[20:20] <Vec_> Can anyone check if they get anything at www.vecbox.com ?
[20:20] <reisio> mattviapc: as ActionParsnip mentioned, only having a backup will guarantee you can have your files exactly as they were
[20:20] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: no
[20:20] <reisio> mattviapc: in general, though, resizing a Windows FS is not problematic
[20:20] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Ok thanks
[20:20] <mattviapc> reisio thanks for the help
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> vec_: seems like a hung webserver
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> vec_: could try wget on the url
[20:21] <Vec_> ActionParsnip: I just bought the domain and pointed it to my IP. There is no webserver setup yet, but it should give you my router login.
[20:22] <Vec_> I have no clue what im doing and im thinking ill deal with it tomorrow :p
[20:22] <maddprof> Hi Everyone, I'm working on getting a VM of Ubuntu 13.04 i386 running for a specific purpose that requires me to map a network drive. I've tried running the command sudo mount -t cifs //FREENAS /home/maddprof/FreeNAS -o username=***,password=***,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777
[20:22] <theadmin> Vec_: I can ping it at least, but it's unlikely to give you a router login page, those are normally restricted to LAN.
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> vec_: i dont suggest allowing that for security reasond
[20:22] <maddprof> and I keep getting "mount error(115): Operation now in progress"
[20:22] <holstein> Vec_: dont have it point to your router.. dont have your router configurable from the internet
[20:22] <Vec_> theadmin: Ok, it gives ME the router login, i wondered why the heck no1 else did, but that explains.
[20:22] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: that ip has nothing
[20:22] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: but its pingable
[20:22] <Vec_> holstein: No shit, that was on my todolist when im not drunk + tomorrow^^
[20:23] <Sanjuro> seems to have stuck ActionParsnip, much appreciated.
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> ec_: because youvare inside so it is permitted
[20:23] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: So i guess it hits the router and then stops cus i have not forwarded port 80 to the server, sounds like a reasonable guess rite?
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> sanjuro: if you have dns issues, switch dns server to test
[20:23] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: yeah nothings open on it
[20:23] <Vec_> ActionParsnip: I assumed it would not understand that im on the LAN since im using the external IP
[20:23] <Vec_> Today i learned i guess :)
[20:25] <Vec_> So i just setup this awsome home server with fileserving/printersharing and scheduled backups. But i got so hungry for learning linux that i kinda want to expand it to be a webserver/ftp smth, but im sortoff worried about security when i install those kind of services. i kinda feel like i should just keep it off the net, considering it keeps my parents pictures and files and whatnot
[20:25] <maddprof> Can anyone assist me with why this will not mount?
[20:25] <holstein> Vec_: dont use ftp
[20:25] <Vec_> holstein: Why suckh a blanket statement
[20:26] <Vec_> such*
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> Vec_, Always backup what can't be lost.
[20:26] <holstein> Vec_: you *should* be worried about security.. i would try the turnkeylinux appliances in VM.. virtualbox..
[20:26] <Vec_> holstein: If i translate your above-my-competance speech, you mean to "burry" the webserver/ftp stuff in a VM?
[20:27] <holstein> Vec_: no.. i mean, try it first.. just it local. hack it yourself.. see what works, and what doenst in VM
[20:27] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: that would stop an exploit or hack / whatever compromising your proper os but not the photos
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> Vec_, Nice projection, you a mind reader.
[20:27] <Vec_> wilee-nilee: Yeah.. its not really sufficient what i have atm because its all on one server, even tho on multiple harddrives so yeah
[20:28] <Vec_> wilee-nilee: My sarcasm detector is broken, wont be repaired for tomorrow so plz :p
[20:28] <holstein> Vec_: if there is not a reason to put it out in teh public, dont.. dont have things open that dont need to be.. such as your router config page..
[20:29] <[Gentoo]> Arse_: nice name
[20:29] <Arse_> Thank you very much, [Gentoo]
[20:29] <Arse_> I like yours
[20:29] <Arse_> and I hope it wont get me banned here :P
[20:30] <[Gentoo]> its not too explicit :)
[20:30] <Vec_> So, basically you guys are telling me to not use my home server which has "important" files on it for webserving/ftp aswell? Even if i do it "properly" as in keeping the public stuff in a VM or whatever
[20:30] <well0ne> Hello.
[20:30] <Vec_> Hi.
[20:30] <wilee-nilee>  A real tell in cognitive develop though
[20:30] <Vec_> Lol
[20:30] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: basically whats the point putting it public if youre only gona use it fomr home
[20:31] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: putting it public means people can try to mess with it
[20:31] <well0ne> I'm using the developement edition of 13.10 .   at some point the power-indicator was gone and i can not reactivate it,  dconf-editor dont work, and other options too
[20:31] <[Gentoo]> so its always a security risk
[20:31] <well0ne> have anyone some advice?
[20:31] <reboot> well0ne, use terminal =)
[20:31] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Because then i can use the server as my personal upload space when abroad and whatnot, and also learn linux/apacha while setting up some random webpage to host java applets im programming
[20:31] <well0ne> lol reboot, seriously
[20:31] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Yeah..
[20:31] <well0ne> i want to resolv the problem
[20:32] <well0ne> not a workaround :P
[20:32] <well0ne> solve*
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> !13.10 ? well0ne
[20:32] <well0ne> yes
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> !13.10 > well0ne
[20:32] <Kitt3n> well0ne, not a smart idea to use 13.10 yet, or ever
[20:32] <saiarcot895> well0ne: you might want to try the #ubuntu+1 channel
[20:32] <maddprof> Hi Everyone, I'm working on getting a VM of Ubuntu 13.04 i386 running for a specific purpose that requires me to map a network drive. I've tried running the command sudo mount -t cifs //FREENAS /home/maddprof/FreeNAS -o username=***,password=***,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777
[20:32] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: just use a good password and keep it updated, thats a good practice
[20:32] <maddprof> and I keep getting "mount error(115): Operation now in progress"
[20:32] <well0ne> well i'm already using it ...
[20:33] <chaotix> Hello, and happy July 4th to those of you in the States.  I need some help theme-wise.  I have tried out a few "Ambiance Blue" themes, but with each of them, when maximized, the window buttons on the top left of the panel are left orange and not blue, even though when I look into the theme's Unity folder, it all looks okay...  Can someone help me, please?  Much thanks, in advance!
[20:33] <holstein> Vec_: you can learn about all of those on your local network, or in virtualbox
[20:33] <wilee-nilee> 13.10 is not a matter of any discussion here it is in #ubuntu+1
[20:33] <well0ne> thats mindfuck ... the  power indicator is installed but now shown -.-
[20:33] <Vec_> holstein: 100% true, but then i cant randomly push files to the server from the interwebz or host my javaapplets to impress my tons of friends ._.
[20:33] <Vec_> So you know, temptation
[20:34] <holstein> !language | well0ne
[20:34] <reboot> ubuntu stable based on unstable debian. now you can imagine ubuntu unstable version.  so it's right advice to not use 13.10
[20:34] <Vec_> But yeah, i should buy a seperate box  and use that for webderps and ftp
[20:34] <Sanjuro> im out, thanks for the assistance and quick response.
[20:34] <holstein> Vec_: you dont want ftp running in the public.. most use ssh, and secure the system
[20:34] <chaotix> Could it be something missing in the /GTK 3.0/Assets folder?
[20:35] <reboot> well0ne, without logs it's useless information
[20:35] <Vec_> holstein: Ok. I dont have the knowledge to dispute what your saying so ill go ahead and assume file transfers over SSH is the superior solution.
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> vec_: not ftp. use sftp.
[20:35] <well0ne> well there is no log
[20:35] <well0ne> what should i post
[20:35] <well0ne> it just dont appear
[20:36] <holstein> well0ne: are you using 13.10?
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> vec: sftp uses security. you will get a sftp server when you install openssh-server
[20:36] <well0ne> hell yeah...
[20:36] <holstein> !13.10 | well0ne
[20:36] <well0ne> lol, bots?
[20:36] <ghostconn> how would i install a software center in fedora 19
[20:36] <holstein> well0ne: and, please watch the language. thanks
[20:36] <Vec_> ActionParsnip: Ok. openSSH is well installed and working, im even using the pub/priv keys
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> well0ne: saves having to type a lot to people too lazy to read the channel topic
[20:37] <[Gentoo]> ghostconn: who knows
[20:37] <ghostconn> lol
[20:37] <chaotix> Hello.  I am using Ubuntu 13.04 Unity.  I need some help theme-wise.  I have tried out a few "Ambiance Blue" themes, but with each of them, when maximized, the window buttons on the top left of the panel are left orange and not blue, even though when I look into the theme's Unity folder, it all looks okay...  Can someone help me, please?  Much thanks, in advance!
[20:37] <holstein> well0ne: as the link i and wilee-nilee gave.. use #ubuntu+1 for 13.10 ..its not out yet, and not officially supported here
[20:37] <[Gentoo]> ghostconn: cli is so much more robust
[20:37] <Vec_> But im thinking i should just not have internettaccess to this homeserver considering what it does which is host my parents files/pics whtever for serving and backup.
[20:37] <[Gentoo]> and quicker
[20:37] <well0ne> alright, thanks !
[20:38] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: i dont get it you said you wanted it public
[20:38] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: if you dont open the port, it will be lan only anyway
[20:38] <[Gentoo]> regardless of the programs config
[20:38] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Yes i want to, but im pretty sure you guys just persuaded me not too
[20:38] <trism> chaotix: did you log out/back in between switching themes? the window buttons in the top left only refresh when you do that
[20:38] <Vec_> to*
[20:38] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: no not at all
[20:39] <[Gentoo]> depends how you want to access the files
[20:39] <chaotix> trism, i will try that...  thanks so much@
[20:39] <chaotix> !
[20:39] <[Gentoo]> in a web browser, through a terminal etc
[20:39] <bluewolf>  Hi, How compatible is a Samsung Series 7 (NP700Z5A-S04AU) with Linux Ubuntu 13.04/Mint 14 Nadia Cinnamon and it's AMD Radeon HD 6750M Graphic Card?
[20:40] <[Gentoo]> bluewolf: what has the gpu got to do with a phone?
[20:40] <chaotix> trism ...Hopefully i wont brb.  Thank You!!!
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> bluewolf: for mint youd have to ask the mint guys
[20:40] <[Gentoo]> bluewolf: ah, i guess its not a phone lol
[20:40] <nanvou> hello, does anyone know of a tool to recover corrupted 7z ?
[20:40] <bluewolf> [Gentoo]: Your point? A simple answer :)
[20:41] <Kitt3n> nanvou, nope, only .rar
[20:41] <honey> hello
[20:41] <Kitt3n> bluewolf, AMD is not a problem :)
[20:41] <Obi-Wan-Ken00bi> hi everybody! I've been thinking a lot about security lately, and been searching the web for settings and software to secure my laptop both for hackers and also to try to minimize what google, facebook, etc can collect about my behaviour. And to make it difficult i want to minimize the effect this have on my computer/internet experience. Suggestions anyone?
[20:41] <Kitt3n> bluewolf, perhaps google your computer + "ubuntu 13.04"? :)
[20:41] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: The problem is, i'm not in a position to determine wether or not its safe to run a webserver on this box for example. Obviously im above average (of the human population) in understanding security at the most basic levels. But i have no clue wether or not a slightly missconfigured LAMP server could compromise the entire system including the backup of files stored on a seperate disk
[20:41] <Vec_> from said LAMP server with restrictive permissions. Therefore i feel uncertain..
[20:41] <bluewolf> ActionParsnip: Long time, is it ok for ubuntu?
[20:42] <holstein> Obi-Wan-Ken00bi: other than not using computers, you just have to find a balance of security and convinience.. doing drastic measures can be blocked by those services you link
[20:42] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: theres mainly 2 points for security - exploits (keep your system updated / harden it tp prevent) and brite force password hacking
[20:42] <bluewolf> Kitt3n: Is the Graphic card a common one and how would the rest of the hardware be?
[20:42] <[Gentoo]> so you should always choose a good password
[20:42] <mike1776> Thanks, trism, it worked like a charm!!!
[20:42] <holstein> Obi-Wan-Ken00bi: i would say, if you dont use facebook, dont use it.. then there is no risk.. otherwise, you agree to the terms you agree to
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> bluewolf: what cpu does it have?
[20:42] <Kitt3n> bluewolf, radeon HD cards in general should work fine with Ubuntu.
[20:42] <[Gentoo]> things like ftp/ssh will get atatcked loads
[20:42] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: That sounds like kindergarden, i mean.. If that is most of the risk then there hardly is a problem o.O
[20:43] <[Gentoo]> with password hacks
[20:43] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: exactly
[20:43] <[Gentoo]> just keep it updated to be on the safe side
[20:43] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Yeah i read some articles about that, which is why i stttled with keys and non-default port
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> [gentoo]: i expect the same but i get none....
[20:43] <mike1776> I really do LOVE THIS LINUX COMMUNITY so much!  It trumps any proprietary tech support any day!
[20:43] <[Gentoo]> and choose a good pass and youll be ok
[20:43] <mike1776> Bye everyone!
[20:43] <Vec_> mike1776 :D<3
[20:43] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: if its ssh you can use a key and pass if you're paranoid
[20:43] <holstein> mike1776: cheers
[20:43] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Yeah i do ^^
[20:44] <bluewolf> ActionParsnip: Core i7, 8GB Ram - http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/samsung-series-7-700z5a-review-50004913/
[20:44] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: youd have not much to worry about there
[20:44] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Bear with me here.. The risk i see that could compromise my files would be root access..
[20:44] <Kitt3n> bluewolf, intel core i7 is compatible with Ubuntu 13.04 I have one, myself.
[20:44] <Obi-Wan-Ken00bi> i hardly use Facebook, but its difficult to get around google.
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> bluewolf: which i7 exactly do you have. they range quite a lot...
[20:45] <gordonjcp> Vec_: running a web server that serves static files is pretty safe
[20:45] <holstein> Obi-Wan-Ken00bi: those are issues independent of *any* opererating system.. most folks will be fine using ubuntu as it ships.. you might want a firewall
[20:45] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: the password to whatever program is hosting your files will.. give them access to them lol
[20:45] <holstein> !firewall | Obi-Wan-Ken00bi
[20:45] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: But if there are random risks with hosting a webpage from the same server that keeps important files stored, then i do not know of those. I started with linux aprox. a week ago, so i cant say im confident in how everything works. Obviously permissions and placement of files outside of whatever is publicly available is easy to understand and avoid.
[20:46] <bluewolf> ActionParsnip: Ah not sure, it's a Laptop I am going to be getting.
[20:46] <gordonjcp> Vec_: you actually have to try quite hard to give someone root access to your system, without actually just handing them an ssh login
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> bluewolf: those stupid sites nearly alway just say "i7 processor" which is hardly useful
[20:46] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: dont worry too much
[20:46] <Vec_> gordonjcp, [Gentoo]: Well that sounds good. Like it should...
[20:46] <bluewolf> ActionParsnip: I assume 1st generation i7?
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> bluewolf: if the CPU has ian inbuild GPU (sand/ivy bridhe) then you may have issues
[20:47] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, what issues?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: high temps, cpu fan running all the time etc
[20:47] <Vec_> Ok, guys tell me: What inherent risks do you see with hosting a webserver? I dont care at all about the available content on the webserver. What i do care about is the content on a diffrent disk, not connected whatsoever with the files served by the webserver.
[20:47] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: if you're interested in security and new to linux just research it as you go
[20:47] <gordonjcp> Vec_: if you have some "clever" stuff you need to be a bit careful, like not having some php code that reads files from unchecked input
[20:48] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, uh oh.
[20:48] <holstein> Vec_: many risks
[20:48] <gordonjcp> Vec_: I run about a dozen webservers.  I don't take any particular precautions to secure them.  Come at me, bitch.
[20:48] <Vec_> holstein: How so, please explain concretly if your able to bare with me
[20:48] <Vec_> gordonjcp :D
[20:48] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, is it easy to fix?
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> vec_: if the system gets compromised an intruder can mount other partitions and even read stored credentials if you cache them on the same pc
[20:49] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: if you run the web server in a vm, its isolated from your main os ie no one can mount / read other files nomatter if they have root access or not
[20:49] <gordonjcp> Vec_: there is *always* a risk that someone will find a way to compromise your system
[20:49] <holstein> Vec_: you would have to ask a specific question.. "i am hosting x, how can x be compromised"
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: no idea. i buy single gpu systems and avoid the whole mess.
[20:49] <Vec_> ActionParsnip: What do you mean with "system comp", im assuming root accs? But how would anyone get root accs through a webserver hositng a static page with some random stuff on it?
[20:49] <gordonjcp> Vec_: Wordpress has in the past been described as "a rootkit that has a handy blog engine attached"
[20:49] <gordonjcp> Vec_: it's a lot better these days
[20:49] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Would not that make it 101% secure? in relation to the webserver
[20:49] <holstein> Vec_: root access is just one "bad" thing
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> ver_: any access, they will probably be able to work their way up
[20:50] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, meh. I see.
[20:50] <gordonjcp> Vec_: what is a far bigger problem is stuff like SQL injection
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: shop smart. shop S-mart
[20:50] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: no because the web server itself could possible still be hacked, a vm just reduced damage
[20:50] <gordonjcp> Vec_: but in general, don't worry about it, fire up a server and have at it
[20:50] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Im assuming here i dont care about the webserver, at all. Only the seperate files on a diffrent harddisk also on the system.
[20:50] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: a bit like apparmor, rbac things like that can limit access
[20:50] <[Gentoo]> a vm is more powerful
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: i dont buy what is cheap or new. i buy what i know will work with zero effort and ALL my hardware works out of the box
[20:51] <[Gentoo]> in a different way
[20:51] <Kitt3n> ActionParsnip, my computer DOES work out of the box :P
[20:53] <Vec_> Well i guess we can conclude that as long as i do the basic (nessescary) security like good passwords, nondefault ports, sshkeys ect and good permissions, it should be ok to have some ok configured webservices running on my homeserver that also stores backed up files thats "important".
[20:53] <[Gentoo]> yeah
[20:53] <Vec_> Considering that i really doubt someone would spesifically target my server
[20:53] <holstein> lol
[20:53] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: and keep it updated
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> kitt3n: mone too. vrry on purpose. its from when linux wasnt such a big thing do support easnt so forthcoming from providers
[20:53] <Vec_> holstein: Plz, im slightly intoxicated and 100% newbie ^^
[20:53] <[Gentoo]> good password + updated system = secure
[20:54] <tking> hello,  please how can i make my audio sound clear, it cracks like some low quality speaker... but when on windows its a lovely output
[20:54] <holstein> Vec_: just start using them.. if you are concerned, run them local or virtualized and get some experience
[20:54] <[Gentoo]> if you're paranoid you could harden some stuff too, could say its overkill but you never know
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> !sound | tking
[20:54] <[Gentoo]> tking: some sound cards need the volume lowered to something like 70%
[20:55] <holstein> tking: it might not ever work any better.. you can always ask who ever made that windows driver you like to make you a linux one. otherwise, you can try applying upgrades and reading the !sound wiki
[20:55] <[Gentoo]> tking: ive never had that with my pc but the old one downstairs needs it to get rid of crackling (reducing pcm volume)_
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> [gento] never undersyoss 100% in alsa. sounds bad
[20:55] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: Ill do a monthly backup on a external harddrive in addition to the backup the server performs, then the server can burn down for all intents and purposes in regards to keep the files safe, so i guess that actually solves everything. Considering the main goal of this is learning linux and having boatloads of fun ^^
[20:56] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: ok
[20:56] <Vec_> >..<
[20:56] <[Gentoo]> ActionParsnip: what do you mean
[20:56] <[Gentoo]> undersyoss
[20:56] <holstein> backup doesnt equal secure.. you can backup a security risk
[20:56] <[Gentoo]> understood?
[20:56] <Vec_> holstein: You guys
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> [gentoo{: levels at full in alsamixer
[20:56] <[Gentoo]> ActionParsnip: i keep mine at 100%
[20:56] <Vec_> holstein: cant argue tho as "you guys"(tm) are always technically correct
[20:56] <[Gentoo]> some cards sound bad tho
[20:57] <holstein> Vec_: im just being clear.. you are talking about 2 different things.. you can backup a security risk.. and reimplement it
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> not heard one sound bad personally
[20:57] <anathema_> hi i want to ask how to check my battery status because sometimes ubuntu shows that battery is not charged but it's full charged. If I remove it and to put it back it's ok
[20:57] <holstein> Vec_: a great and easy place to learn about systems is virtualized..
[20:57] <Vec_> holstein: I mean, as long as the parents files survives, its all good.
[20:57] <[Gentoo]> Vec_: depends if you care someone else had access to it
[20:58] <Vec_> holstein: Im hungry to learn about VM-stuff after ive understood abit more of the basics of how linux works
[20:58] <[Gentoo]> not if its gone or not
[20:58] <[Gentoo]> backups are great
[20:58] <holstein> Vec_: you have not asked *anything* basic
[20:58] <[Gentoo]> but i wouldfnt want a randomer have pics of my family
[20:58] <Vec_> holstein: You just confused me ^^
[20:58] <[Gentoo]> not saying its likely to happen
[20:58] <[Gentoo]> but not the right mindset to have
[20:59] <Vec_> [Gentoo]: tru, which is why i should REALLY just buy box nr.2
[20:59] <Vec_> and keep box nr 1 off the internet
[20:59] <[Gentoo]> which would
[20:59] <[Gentoo]> not let you have access to it online
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> [hentoo]: they can be found on facrnook.... :-)
[20:59] <[Gentoo]> which you want
[20:59] <Vec_> yap, but i would to box2 :p
[20:59] <[Gentoo]> ActionParsnip: lol yeag
[20:59] <holstein> if can be on your local lan.. just not open to the outside world
[20:59] <Vec_> primary function of the homeserver now is simply backing up parents files and share printers so
[20:59] <holstein> it*
[20:59] <Vec_> holstein yeah
[20:59] <[Gentoo]> im one of those whos never had fb
[20:59] <Vec_> m2 +1
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> lefthand tablet typing plus veg lasagn equals poor typing
[21:00] <markovh> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=saucy&section=all&arch=any&keywords=linux-image-3&searchon=names what's up with the result from this?
[21:00] <Vec_> ActionParsnip: Now you cant prove that
[21:00] <Vec_> ActionParsnip: Wait, i retract that statement
[21:00] <OerHeks> !13.10 | markovh
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> vec_: ;-)
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> ActionParsnip, typing with your hands and mouth full, lol.
[21:01] <markovh> OerHeks: ? as in there's no work even in development stage?
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> wilee-nilee: oh man
[21:01] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[21:01] <Vec_> Beer bottle contents compromised and rm -r'd, good thing i have a frige full of redundancy
[21:01] <OerHeks> markovh, #ubuntu+1 is the place to be, for development 13.10
[21:01]  * Vec_ brbs
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> wilee-nilee: sauce all over my mouth
[21:01] <wilee-nilee> ActionParsnip, Thats when it is good. ;)
[21:01] <markovh> ah i just browsed the list of packages, it's empty. ok fair enough
[21:02] <wilee-nilee> markovh, Not filled till release
[21:05] <barrett> how is it that fsck can run on my 8tb raid file system and report "clean" in under 1 second?
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> barrett: is it unmounted?
[21:06] <barrett> yes
[21:06] <barrett> ActionParsnip, ^
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> barretg: what options did you use on fsck?
[21:07] <alho> quick question, for a server setup, does localhost refer to the server itself or just the loopback interface?
[21:07] <barrett> ActionParsnip, i've been having lots of raid failures, having to force reassemble, ran fsck once and it found tons of errors, then had more failures, turned out to be my power supply which I replaced.  full raid6 back up and stable. i was just doing a final check "sudo fsck /dev/md0"
[21:07] <alho> if i launch an app listening on localhost, is it technically available to the internet via the server's actual ip address, or is it completely local to the machine
[21:08] <barrett> ActionParsnip, comes back immediatly with "/dev/md0: clean, 1295041/244174848 files, 1783753695/1953382912 blocks"
[21:09] <gordonjcp> alho: no, it's only listening on localhost
[21:09] <gordonjcp> alho: if you tell it to bind 0.0.0.0 it will attempt to bind all possible interfaces
[21:09] <void___> hi, the brightness slider in 13.04 is not working for me. can somebody help me fix this
[21:10] <void___> the brightness hotkeys aren't working either
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> barrett: id read the fsck man pages
[21:14] <alho> gordonjcp: ahh i see, for some reason i've always had the misconception that localhost was some kind of 'pointer' to the machine, so if you launch on localhost, it's now accessible via the internet ip address
[21:15] <alho> gordonjcp: but now that you say that, it makes sense, because it's a different network interface entirely right?
[21:15] <gordonjcp> alho: correct
[21:15] <gordonjcp> alho: if you have more than one IP address, you can bind to just that specific one
[21:18] <alho> gordonjcp: thanks for the insight, one last question, if i'm using something like nodejs, and i bind/listen to an ip address i don't actually own, what happens?
[21:19] <gordonjcp> alho: it'll moan at you about it
[21:19] <alho> gordonjcp: it just ends up being unreachable right? because routers upstream can't get to me via that ip address?
[21:19] <gordonjcp> well it won't even manage to bind the address
[21:19] <alho> gordonjcp: i see, the server software automactialy checks?
[21:19] <gordonjcp> alho: no, it just won't find an interface that matches that IP address
[21:19] <alho> gordonjcp: gotcha, thanks so much! cheers
[21:20] <gordonjcp> you'll get an error message along the lines of "Away with your tomfoolery, idiot!"
[21:20] <alho> gordonjcp: hahah kk, i'll keep that in mind
[21:20] <gordonjcp> alho: it's safe to experiment with this
[21:20] <Martijn-NL> My Ubuntu is running great!!!!!! =D
[21:20] <gordonjcp> alho: you're behind NAT, right?
[21:21] <alho> gordonjcp: no no, i got a server setup, a vps, so if im not mistaken, it's not behind a nat
[21:22] <gordonjcp> alho: no, it isn't, then
[21:22] <gordonjcp> so be a bit careful with it
[21:22] <alho> gordonjcp: is there a good way to check? i doubt it's behind a nat if its vps
[21:22] <gordonjcp> it won't be
[21:22] <alho> gordonjcp: in what sense should i be careful
[21:22] <gordonjcp> alho: well, don't run any obviously insecure stuff
[21:23] <alho> gordonjcp: ahh yes yes of course, don't want anyone getting into my machine , etc, etc
[21:23] <gordonjcp> alho: use your common sense ;-)
[21:23] <void___> can anybody please help me with the brightness problem
[21:23] <alho> gordonjcp: trying to learn to setup nodejs servers, probbaly need a quick refresher on web security
[21:23] <alho> gordonjcp: thanks again, cheers!
[21:23] <honey> oh god.
[21:23] <gordonjcp> alho: you could play at home on your local machine ;-)
[21:23] <wilee-nilee> !details > void___
[21:24] <honey> brightness on what os?
[21:24] <void___> oh sorry
[21:25] <void___> okay. I'm using Ubuntu 13.04 on a Dell Inspiron 14r laptop. Using intel hd graphics. The problem is with brightness. The brightness doesnt change when I use the slider in brightness setting. The brightness indicator moves back and forth when I use the brightness hotkys
[21:26] <Deceptor> GNight
[21:26] <wilee-nilee> void___, fn 6down 7up here try that.
[21:26] <void___> Used to work without a problem in Ubuntu 12.04. I tried some solutions found on askubuntu which involves changing grub cmdline
[21:27] <Deceptor> When I use Cmake for quassel I  get this error: Sorry, Command-not-found has crashed! Does someone knows about it?
[21:27] <void___> wilee-nilee: the hotkeys are f4 and f5 on my laptop.
[21:27] <wilee-nilee> ah
[21:30] <trism> Deceptor: do you not have cmake installed?
[21:30] <Deceptor> I have
[21:30] <trism> Deceptor: can you pastebin the actual output?
[21:30] <Deceptor> here is the full error
[21:30] <Deceptor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5844918/
[21:31] <trism> Deceptor: that's strange, how about: which cmake;
[21:31] <Deceptor> I use cmake to build quassel on my server
[21:33] <Deceptor> I fixed it already ;) using this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/205378/unsupported-locale-setting-fault-by-command-not-found
[21:34] <trism> Deceptor: still strange that command-not-found was running at all
[21:35] <Deceptor> Yea thats only on live cd right?
[21:35] <Deceptor> I;ve never heard about it
[21:35] <Deceptor> I've/i;ve
[21:35] <tannji> I am trying to get my printer working, preferably as a network printer, connected to the 4 port switch on my wireless router.  I notice this in printer properties: Idle - Unable to locate printer "BRN30055C070C5F".  everything else "appears" to have a plausible setting.  what does that mean specifically?
[21:40] <wilee-nilee> void___, This the askubuntu thread and did you update-grub. http://askubuntu.com/questions/288265/display-brightness-problem-with-ubuntu-13-04
[21:40] <wilee-nilee> or check the ubuntu forums link
[21:40] <void___> wilee-nilee: i've already tried this one. didn't work for me
[21:41] <wilee-nilee> void___, you ran update-grub? answering questions as is saves time here.
[21:42] <void___> yes, i had updated grub after changing the file
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> void___, Cool, we never know with some user is all. ;)
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> users*
[21:42] <void___> it's ok. my bad
[21:44] <void___>  """  echo 'X' |sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness  """ changes the brightness. so, it has to use the vendor specific driver rt
[21:45] <void___> X 's a number.. maximum brightness is 4613
[21:46] <nanvou> hello, does anyone know of a tool to recover corrupted 7z ?
[21:47] <wilee-nilee> void___, Except for the miss-type in the first grub example (slice rather than splash)  this may be helpful, use at your own risk. http://www.refreshit.info/2012/08/solved-brightness-increase-and-decrease.html
[21:47] <void___> wilee-nilee: tried that one just before coming in here. no luck with that either
[21:48] <SuRfDaeMoN> haven't been able to ssh in or out of my nexus 7, hangs after authentication for anything related to ssh, like ssh-copy-id.
[21:48] <reisio> nanvou: just extract it from the OS/tool you used to make it
[21:48] <reisio> nanvou: and avoid that software in future
[21:48] <nanvou> reisio, avoid 7z ?
[21:48] <reisio> nanvou: you may as well, Unix has its own LZMA2 implementations now
[21:49] <wilee-nilee> void___, Bummer, it's nice to have that control. ;(
[21:49] <reisio> xz being the norm (even moreso via tar -cJf)
[21:49] <nanvou> it opens perfectly in remote server, but it seems headers were corrupter over transfer
[21:49] <draconus> tar FTW
[21:49] <nanvou> *corrupted
[21:49] <draconus> reisio still copying data ;)
[21:49] <void___> wilee-nilee: yup. i wouldn't mind if ubuntu didn't remember the brightness setting. i just want to reduce it. drains a lot of battery too
[21:50] <bekks> nanvou: Create md5 sums then on both sides and compare them.
[21:50] <bekks> If they are different, retransfer your archive.
[21:50] <nanvou> bekks, I did sha256 sums and they're different
[21:50] <reisio> draconus: how much?
[21:50] <draconus> reisio like 300GB left
[21:50] <reisio> pretty fast
[21:50] <SuRfDaeMoN> i should probably pre-emptively state that i've updated, i also disabled ipv6 just in case that was it, guess it could be the broadcom driver? seems to have been a problem in the past but idk
[21:50] <draconus> reisio wasn't really this bad
[21:50] <reisio> draconus: what bs did you use?
[21:50] <draconus> yup
[21:50] <nanvou> I want to know if there's any program that I can use to fix headers
[21:51] <draconus> 10MB
[21:51] <reisio> :)
[21:51] <draconus> :)
[21:51] <wilee-nilee> !details > nanvou
[21:51] <draconus> well i managed to delete a few files to it's like 800GB total
[21:51] <draconus> so*
[21:52] <draconus> so excited about the new system and new fs
[21:52] <nanvou> wilee-nilee, file created on remote server with 7z 9.20, opens perfectly fine on remote
[21:52] <bekks> nanvou: I doubt there is. Retransfer your file.
[21:52] <nanvou> bekks, it's 20 GB big ...
[21:52] <bekks> nanvou: Then split it up.
[21:52] <draconus> must be some good p0rn
[21:53] <nanvou> bekks, it's the same amount to download again...
[21:53] <bekks> nanvou: No. Split it up, in, say 20 equal parts, create md5sums, and just transfer that part that has a different checksum.
[21:54] <bekks> nanvou: Thats what can be done with splitting and checksums ;)
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> draconus, By the way this is a family channel.
[21:54] <draconus> i'm truly sorry wilee-nilee, just a bit excited because of this huge problem that i solved today
[21:55] <nanvou> bekks, ah brilliant ! Didn't think about that way. Thanks !
[21:55] <lapidary> one of my network interfaces has no ipv6 link local, what adds link local to an interface?
[21:55] <draconus> bekks interesting idea indeed
[21:56] <bekks> draconus: That interesting idea is used by everyone offering checksums and multipart downloads - since decades :)
[21:58] <draconus> bekks he he
[21:58] <draconus> bekks ok but in this case it's a bit different
[21:59] <draconus> bekks we are talking about a guy who leeched a 20GB file and has to make it up into splits
[21:59] <starlet> #politics-uncensored
[22:00] <draconus> bekks this is a kind of reverse-splitting i would say
[22:06] <tannji> does my ubuntu need samba to connect to my network printer, which is plugged into the 4-port switch in my wireless router?
[22:07] <josiahbryan> hey everyone! I'm sure this is a very popular problem - googling hasnt helped yet tho - I've got a laptop running ubuntu 12.04.2, with a wifi card with a Broadcom driver and I'm trying to get airmon-ng to start on eth1 - however, it gives me an error: "mon0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device." It seems to boil down to mon0 - no such device. Any ideas on how to get this working? (I've tried 'service stop avahi-dae
[22:07] <lapidary> ah; one problem was mtu was only 576; not sure why though
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> josiahbryan, Not supported here.
[22:12] <josiahbryan> Ahh fun - whats not supported? mon0? Or airmon?
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> airmon-ng
[22:12] <withnale> is there any way I can get text based taskbar in the topmenu on 13.04?
[22:12] <josiahbryan> gotcha. Any pointers regarding mon0 under ubuntu then in general, or is mon0 a airmon-specific device?
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> withnale  you mean like old gnome2? if yes, try !fallback
[22:13] <wilee-nilee> josiahbryan, Not in my area of knowledge, how limited that it is. ;)
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> !info gnome-session-fallback
[22:14] <josiahbryan> limited knowledge here as well - CentOS is my stomping grounds, just booted this ubuntu laptop for the first time in several months, so I'm way out of my comfort zone re: the OS in general :-)
[22:14] <josiahbryan> anyone else know anything about mon0 under ubuntu, or is this the wrong place to ask? :-) Sorry for the trouble if it is :-)
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> josiahbryan, Pretty good support, it is just that this channel is limited to whats in the repos in general.
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> or in a stock install
[22:15] <josiahbryan> ahh so since airmon not in repos/stock, then its probably not supported here - totally understand. No worries :-)
[22:15] <SuRfDaeMoN> josiahbryan: it's not?
[22:16] <josiahbryan> not that apt-get install airmon can find
[22:16] <SuRfDaeMoN> !aircrack-ng
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> !info airmon-ng
[22:16] <SuRfDaeMoN> !info aircrack-ng
[22:16] <SuRfDaeMoN> it's in the same package
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> we don't support cracking as well.
[22:16] <josiahbryan> airmon-ng not available, referred to by another package "iw" - iw already installed, but no air* binary utilities found
[22:17] <josiahbryan> wilee-nilee, understood.
[22:17] <wilee-nilee> SuRfDaeMoN, What you do in pm is yours though. ;)
[22:18] <withnale> I don't want to lose all the bells and whistles of unity really. I just want to see a text based list of what is running by looking at the top of the screen
[22:18] <SuRfDaeMoN> wilee-nilee: seems like a strange standard, what's next, nmap?
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> SuRfDaeMoN, really, no cracking support on a worldwide support channel, family friendly.
[22:18] <josiahbryan> I'd also like to put it in monitor mode just for the joy of being able to listen on signal strengths of multiple networks inorder to expierment with indoor geolocation - but without monitor mode, i have to trigger a scan every Xms - and that interface is painfully slow
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> not my rules, and I suggeted how you can help.
[22:19] <SuRfDaeMoN> wilee-nilee: in my repos though. and ubottu knows it.
[22:19] <SuRfDaeMoN> wilee-nilee: not saying this should be the support channel :P but acting like ubuntu has never heard of it is silly.
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> SuRfDaeMoN, In some it seems not in raring and not supported no matter what, common sense here don't you think, anyway way off topic.
[22:20] <beyondcr> It would be great to see a more detailed wireless view with real time percentage
[22:20] <josiahbryan> beyondcr, agreed- not sure how to get that from the kernel tho.
[22:20] <SuRfDaeMoN> how is it not in raring?
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> SuRfDaeMoN, never said ubuntu was not aware that is a projection.
[22:21] <josiahbryan> I've been expiermenting with wifi geolocation (http://code.google.com/p/wifisigmap/) and faster wifi signal levels (from multiple aps) would be hugely helpful
[22:21] <beyondcr> well wavemon dose it quite well but it is ncurses based
[22:23] <moksud_xp> register moksud_xp
[22:23] <moksud_xp> !register moksud_xp
[22:23] <josiahbryan> moksud_xp try /msg NickServ
[22:24] <moksud_xp> Insufficient arguments for command
[22:25] <SuRfDaeMoN> wilee-nilee: so does that mean that nothing from 'universe' should be discussed here?
[22:25] <moksud_xp> hello, there is someone that can help me with ubuntu command
[22:25] <moksud_xp> ?
[22:25] <click> Can anyone help me with some scripting
[22:25] <SuRfDaeMoN> !ask | moksud_xp
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> !anyone > click
[22:26] <moksud_xp> I need a guide/help to understand Ubuntu line commands, I'm a Windows user and I understand all Command Prompt commands with windows, now I want to do the same thing with Linux Ubuntu...
[22:27] <Ben64> !manual | moksud_xp
[22:27] <OerHeks> !terminal
[22:29] <moksud_xp> I don't installed the GUI interface
[22:29] <wheatthin> which one?
[22:29] <moksud_xp> cause I don't need Linux to use it with a GUI, I need it for server, so I need terminal
[22:29] <wheatthin> then use ubuntu-server :)
[22:30] <trism> withnale: there's this: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/how-to-get-list-of-open-windows-on.html
[22:30] <click>  i want to cut string starting from .ubuntu to the end from the following link how may i do it "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal"
[22:30] <SuRfDaeMoN> moksud_xp: ok, then what about 'man man' and '--help' or '-h' after a command can help.
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> moksud_xp, This is support not instruction, there is cli info all over the web 1000's of sites.
[22:33] <SuRfDaeMoN> click: sed?
[22:34] <stupidscript> Need to set up LTSP on new server in existing network, then move everyone over to use it with as little downtime as possible. Live office environment currently running Windows Domain Controller. Issue: IP assignment on LTSP server (Ubuntu 12.04 installed from alternate) so thin clients can find the kernel image. Where can I go to view an example of this type of setup? thx
[22:35] <beyondcr> Any ideas of how to get a system wide sound normalization into ubuntu?
[22:35] <click> SuRfDaeMoN: no problem i am only a beginer in scripts i have no idea of awk sed is just fine i have no idea how to do it either :)
[22:35] <draconus2> might seem stupid question but can you actually auto delete files when creating a tgz? any switch for that in tar?
[22:36] <exodus_ms> who has some serious grub foo?
[22:37] <stupidscript> Looking for LTSP in existing Windows Domain Controller network examples
[22:37] <SuRfDaeMoN> click: like this?  echo "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal" | sed -e 's/\.ubuntu.*//g'
[22:38] <click> SuRfDaeMoN: yes yes will it print from .ubuntu to the end
[22:39] <kelly> hello guys , i have nvidia 9500 gt , and i tried kde desktop it is good but the kwin effects does not run smoothly like intel graphics ? any idea
[22:41] <exodus_ms> !grub
[22:45] <exodus_ms> need to restore system. no cd drive. have bootable flash drive but can't get grub to find path to load system
[22:47] <syntroPi> do chroot to the installed ubuntu and run "sudo update-grub" from there then
[22:49] <sere> im trying to open a file word.txt and then copy that file to words2.txt and then print words2.txt this isnt working will someone please check my program
[22:49] <sere> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845093/
[22:50] <sere> sorry wrong channel*
[22:54] <exodus_ms> syntroPi, I can't boot into anything. it goes straight to the grub recovery > prompt
[22:55] <miclen> Hei guys
[22:55] <miclen> How are you?
[22:56] <syntroPi> exodus_ms, not sure but maybe you also can fix it from there. i meant boot from usb stick, chroot into your installation on hdd and then update grub
[22:58] <syntroPi> exodus_ms,  something similar to this here "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ;  sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys ; sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc ; sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash ; grub-install --force /dev/sda ; exit ; reboot"
[22:59] <exodus_ms> syntroPi, ok, got it. I think I have a hdd failure on the horizon. I just need to get in there, grab what I can and get out.
[22:59] <exodus_ms> syntroPi, thank you btw
[23:00] <syntroPi> ooh well then dont power it down and copy as soon as possible. most valuable data first
[23:00] <exodus_ms> syntroPi, gotcha, just need my home drive, I can live with losing everything else
[23:03] <ati9> hh
[23:07] <rlw980> hello
[23:07] <moksud_xp> hello, I have installed Ubuntu Server
[23:07] <moksud_xp> without a GUI
[23:07] <moksud_xp> now I need to understand how to install and execute google chrome witl CLI... it's possible without a GUI ?
[23:08] <jrib> moksud_xp: that is not possible since google chrome is a graphical program.
[23:09] <jrib> moksud_xp: if you install it, it will also install a gui
[23:10] <rlw980> I've installed F-prot antivirus via command, I found out that xfprot is like a Front-end off the F-prot command line. Could you help me please? Oh and also I'm running Ubuntu 13.04 and my Wireless icon where the time is has gone
[23:12] <rlw980> In other words can you help me install xfprot
[23:13] <Kitt3n> rlw980, tried 'sudo apt-get install xfprot'?
[23:14] <rlw980> Kitt3n: Nope, I shall do that for you now
[23:14] <Senerem> Hello. I'm trying to run wpa_cli on ubuntu 13.04 live cd. But getting the "Could not connect to wpa_supplicant" error.
[23:14] <Senerem> tried using wpa_cli -p /var/run/wpa_supplicant command but still no juice :(
[23:15] <moksud_xp> okey...
[23:15] <moksud_xp> I think that for now I need a GUI, just cause of chrome
[23:15] <rlw980> Kitt3n: Nope, nothing
[23:15] <moksud_xp> then I try to use only CLI instead of GUI, I'll just use chrome with the gui
[23:15] <moksud_xp> so, how to install GUI ?
[23:17] <jrib> moksud_xp: pick a gui that you want and install the package for it
[23:17] <jrib> !vnc | moksud_xp
[23:18] <moksud_xp> why I need VNC ?
[23:18] <moksud_xp> I need a GUI, not a protocol for remote desktop...
[23:18] <jrib> moksud_xp: you want a remote desktop, yes?
[23:18] <jrib> moksud_xp: isn't this on a remote server?
[23:19] <Senerem> Anyone got an idea? :)
[23:19] <moksud_xp> for now I just want to install a GUI to use Chrome
[23:19] <jrib> moksud_xp: if it's on a remote server, then install a gui and setup vnc
[23:19] <moksud_xp> cause now I need to switch on windows when I want to use this chatroom... so I need chrome in my Linux to have the capacity to use this chatroom directly from linux and also I can search tutorials directly from Linux...
[23:20] <jrib> moksud_xp: is this on a remote server or a local machine?
[23:20] <moksud_xp> local
[23:20] <moksud_xp> cause for now I'm trying to discover and understand Ubuntu...
[23:20] <jrib> moksud_xp: then forget about vnc and just install whatever gui you want.  ubuntu-deskotp is the default.
[23:20] <jrib> moksud_xp: ubuntu-desktop*
[23:20] <moksud_xp> when I'll be a good linux user, I buy a Cloud Service and install Ubuntu on it
[23:21] <gordonjcp> moksud_xp: don't install GUIs on servers
[23:24] <moksud_xp> gordon, I understand this... but I'm a new user... I must need chrome on my Linux to view tutorials and take help from forums/chats
[23:28] <moksud_xp> I found 3 type of Ubuntu GUI
[23:29] <moksud_xp> 3 types of installations...
[23:29] <moksud_xp> 1 : sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:29] <moksud_xp> 2: sudo aptitude install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop
[23:29] <moksud_xp> 3: sudo apt-get install xvnc4viewer
[23:29] <moksud_xp> what type of installation is better for me ?
[23:41] <sindri> Anyone why I get "530 non-anonymous sessions must use encryption" running "ftp localhost" trying to login after configuring vsftpd to use ssl and virtual users?
[23:47] <moksud_xp> there is no one online?
[23:48] <Kitt3n> moksud_xp, ?
[23:48] <sindri> 1530 Nicks according to "/names"
[23:48] <sindri> 1580*
[23:48] <ZeHiR> hello
[23:49] <ZeHiR> how can a channel be over 1500 ppl here ? :)
[23:49] <django87> hello
[23:49] <ZeHiR> bots ?
[23:49] <ZeHiR> clones ?
[23:49] <gordonjcp> ZeHiR: it's one of the largest channels on Freenode, if not *the* largest
[23:49] <django87> du yu spic spanish? xD
[23:49] <ZeHiR> yes it is largest i saw that
[23:49] <ZeHiR> i m new here
[23:49] <ZeHiR> just joined
[23:49] <ZeHiR> i am shocked :)
[23:50] <FloodBot1> ZeHiR: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:50] <ZeHiR> but all of them are real people ?
[23:50] <Ignacio_> Hi I need this logo in svg. http://gtk2-perl.sourceforge.net/gtk-logo-rgb.gif
[23:50] <gordonjcp> ZeHiR: there are a lot of Ubuntu users out there
[23:50] <ZeHiR> very cool gordonjcp
[23:50] <Kitt3n> More than people think.
[23:50] <fsapo> ZeHiR no, I'm a bot
[23:50] <fsapo> :)
[23:50]  * gordonjcp is a cat, but cats are people too
[23:50] <ZeHiR> fsapo :)
[23:51] <jrib> Ignacio_: ask the gtk people? ;)
[23:51] <moksud_xp> When I write this command: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:51] <Ignacio_> jrib: #gtk no people :P
[23:51] <jrib> Ignacio_: try GIMPNet
[23:51] <moksud_xp> Ubuntu tells me that he cant finds the package
[23:51] <whoever_> ZeHiR: so how was the  date with you bot :-)
[23:51] <Ignacio_> Ok
[23:51] <ZeHiR> i m actually looking for a free shell provider for eggdrop bot
[23:51] <ZeHiR> where can i get it ?
[23:51] <jrib> moksud_xp: pastebin full input and output
[23:52] <whoever_> moksud_xp: update your package manager, and try again
[23:52] <jrib> !ot | ZeHiR
[23:52] <jrib> Ignacio_: https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
[23:52] <Ignacio_> jrib: thx
[23:52] <ZeHiR> thank u ubottu
[23:53] <ZeHiR> is here official ubuntu place all over the world ?
[23:54] <whoever_> ZeHiR: ubuntu.com
[23:54] <holstein> ZeHiR: i was looking for the same.. i use nic nac project for IRC, but you are not supposed to host bots
[23:54] <django87> hola
[23:55] <moksud_xp> how to update package manager?
[23:56] <Kitt3n> moksud_xp, ????
[23:57] <sindri> moksud_xp: $sudo apt-get upgrade?
[23:57] <leo-the-manic_> I tried to install Python 3.3.2 from source but had a problem (didn't have sqlite3) so I wanted to uninstall it. Through the internet I found out about 'checkinstall' so I used that to make a deb package or something. But now Ubuntu thinks that Python < 2.7 is uninstalled and won't let me use apt-get at all, because it seems checkinstall made a package just called "python"
[23:57] <leo-the-manic_> And I don't know where to go from here, really
[23:57] <k1l_> moksud_xp: "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get upgrade"
[23:58] <whoever_> sindri: thx
[23:58]  * whoever_ wonders if moksud_xp neets mint 
[23:58] <rlw> HELPPP!!!!
[23:58] <whoever_> rlw: what is it
[23:58] <Kitt3n> !ask | rlw
[23:58] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: you are breaking your install
[23:58] <Kitt3n> ^
[23:58] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: So i've discovered
[23:59] <rlw> xfprot i need to install it, but i need help
[23:59] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: pastebin output of "apt-cache policy python"
[23:59] <whoever_> rlw: ya i need to win the lottery too
[23:59] <whoever_> rlw: so what have you done so far