[13:48] <Mish> Hello folks :D
[13:57] <cub> Hi Mish 
[13:58] <Mish> :)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, Mish OvenWerks cub ttoine we have our catchup with the Community Council today
[14:07] <smartboyhw> 17:00 UTC should be it
[14:08] <Mish> hmm.... that's nearly 11 pm for me
[14:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, you MUST attend:P
[14:15] <cub> ok, are we supposed to have prepared anything before that? (which might already be done)
[14:15] <smartboyhw> cub, no.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Well, if you guys can't attend, no worries:)
[14:16] <smartboyhw> It isn't compulsory except for zequence I think
[14:18] <cub> I don't know if I can yet. I'm sort in charge of the baby tonight. :P It depends on her mood. 
[14:43] <cub> I just imported the Ubuntu calendar and it told med there's an Ubuntu Studio meeting on Sunday. I'm not sure they are still running though?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> cub, no,.
[14:59] <ttoine> smartboyhw, is it in 10 min ?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> ttoine, nah
[14:59] <ttoine> sorry, now ?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> 17:00 UTC
[14:59] <ttoine> so ?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> ttoine, 2 hours later
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Should be
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Yes, correct.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> 2 hours later
[15:02] <cub> ttoine, you're in CEST time? so it's at 19.00
[15:04] <cub> And if Mark Shuttleworth is not there I will be disappointed. ;)
[15:04] <cub> Gaah, I just realized he's younger than me...
[15:06] <smartboyhw> cub, he normally isn't there:P
[15:09] <ttoine> ah ok
[15:09] <ttoine> even google calendar didn't helped me
[15:09] <ttoine> I will try to stay until 19:00 at work, so
[15:14] <zequence> yep, it's in hour, right?
[15:15] <zequence> just came back from work
[15:15] <cub> there was a great link on the agenda page: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130704T17
[15:15] <cub> zequence, I think it's 19.00 our time
[15:15] <zequence> ah, yes. summertime
[15:15] <zequence> I just knew it was after 17.00 our time :P
[15:15] <zequence> ok, good. I'll be attending of course
[15:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, it's 01:00 in our time
[15:16] <smartboyhw> but, it's near summer holidays, not much control:P
[16:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, what  do you think can we tell the Community Council?
[16:38] <zequence> smartboyhw: I don't have an agenda myself at all. I'm more curious on what they have to say really, since I have yet had no interaction with that council
[16:39] <zequence> I'm currently reading up on what they do
[16:39] <smartboyhw> Oh.......
[16:45] <cub> There was a short agenda on topic they would like to hear about
[16:47] <smartboyhw> cub, but they do ketchup only:P
[16:48] <cub> heeh
[16:49] <cub> but some pointers at least: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[16:49] <cub> kind of standard updates
[16:50] <smartboyhw> Here's what we wanna talk today
[16:50] <zequence> Yes, I probably should have posted that link here as well for those interested. I went through a few logs to see what they do usually
[16:50] <smartboyhw> things you're proud of,
[16:50] <smartboyhw> reviewing team reports together,
[16:50] <smartboyhw> outstanding things and plans for the near future,
[16:50] <smartboyhw> things you and your team are discussing right now, want to get input on from a broader audience,
[16:50] <smartboyhw> questions you might have. 
[16:50] <zequence> It's a little weird that we are grouped with Xubuntu though
[16:50] <cub> the last meetings I looked into didn't say much on what they were doing
[16:51] <zequence> We have the same default DE, but quite different problems to solve
[16:51] <cub> they seem to run two at the same meeting Lubuntu and Edubuntu last time
[16:51] <zequence> Ah, right, yeah
[16:51] <zequence> well, we'll be there anyway :)
[16:52] <cub> there are a couple of things I've noticed since I started to pay attention
[16:52] <smartboyhw> cub, ?
[16:52] <cub> more members, the investigation about other DE's
[16:52] <smartboyhw> yeah
[16:53] <cub> tutorials on youtube
[16:53] <smartboyhw> yeah
[16:54] <smartboyhw> I think we are more ambitious this cycle.
[16:54] <cub> I'm cooking dinner and watching my 9 months daughter at the same time....so I might be a bit lost in space
[16:55] <smartboyhw> heh
[16:56] <zequence> cub: not an age when you trust them to manage themselves yet by any means :D
[16:56] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:57] <cub> hehe no, but she's in her walking chair chasing the dog, within view
[16:57] <zequence> reasonably secured then :P
[16:57] <cub> the dog doesn't seem to think so. :D
[16:57] <zequence> lol
[16:57] <smartboyhw> lol 
[16:58] <smartboyhw> CC meeting in 3 minutes
[17:03] <cub> zequence, you'll do the talking?
[17:03]  * smartboyhw +1 cub
[17:03] <zequence> cub: I suppose. I mean, I might as well, but feel free to add something if I seem to forget something important
[17:04] <cub> sure
[17:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, mention leadership changes, you haven't been product lead before last CC meeting. with us..
[17:04] <smartboyhw> um, I mean catch-up
[17:19] <ttoine> smartboyhw, where is this stuff we should at 19:00
[17:19] <ttoine> I am already late...
[17:19] <smartboyhw> ttoine, #ubuntu-meeting
[17:19] <cub> in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:20] <ttoine> damned Jira...
[17:20] <ttoine> it is a pain to setup
[17:21] <cub> hehe
[17:21] <cub> and a pain to use from what I hear
[17:22] <zequence> ttoine: you didn't miss a whole lot. Just some information from us to them, basically
[17:23] <ttoine> ok
[17:23] <ttoine> we still want to use Xubuntu ?
[17:23] <smartboyhw> ttoine, well yes
[17:24] <ttoine> I saw on the mailing list stuff about supporting other DE too
[17:24] <smartboyhw> At least, Xfce is our live DVD's default DE
[17:24] <smartboyhw> But we will support other DE during install.
[17:24] <zequence> ttoine: Yes, we've been experimenting with that lately
[17:26] <ttoine> great to know that
[17:26] <ttoine> does the change to Mir impact us ?
[17:27] <smartboyhw> ttoine, oops
[17:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, you better answer this....:P
[17:27] <zequence> ttoine: At least in that it might not be able to just logout from one DE, and then login to another, or who knows - maybe co-installing some DEs will not be possible. But, I don't think in the way that it would stop us from supporting any specific DE
[17:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, wait. KDE.
[17:28] <smartboyhw> KDE has denied Mir already
[17:28] <smartboyhw> And Kubuntu will NOT use Mir.
[17:28] <ttoine> smartboyhw, do we really have a lot of user on KDE
[17:28] <smartboyhw> ttoine, that's a question.
[17:29] <micahg> smartboyhw: no, Kubuntu has said they'll hold off on MIR until it's more proven
[17:29] <ttoine> the other problem is: does it have an impact on KDE based application like Krita ?
[17:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, ttoine I'm proposing a survey to find out which DE do users really use:P
[17:29] <cub> about Krita, I've seen some issues from users about Krita and US lately
[17:29] <smartboyhw> micahg, um, I know better than you on this business (I'm a Kubuntu member, IIRC, and an active packager hoping to apply archive access some time)
[17:29] <micahg> and just because Kubuntu doesn't ship MIR, doesn't mean it won't run with XMir as long as they're still using X
[17:30] <zequence> ah, yes, applications :P
[17:30] <micahg> smartboyhw: I want the MLs and discussions and I think  you're polarizing the issue too much
[17:30] <micahg> s/want/read/
[17:30] <kubotu> micahg meant: "smartboyhw: I read the MLs and discussions and I think  you're polarizing the issue too much"
[17:30] <smartboyhw> micahg, how about Wayland........
[17:30] <Mish> If they use Mir won't they have to port Qt to Mir in order for any qt app towork?
[17:30]  * smartboyhw is the least polarized among the Kubuntu people.
[17:30] <ttoine> smartboyhw, would be interesting to create a poll about that on the website
[17:30] <smartboyhw> Mish, nah
[17:31] <micahg> smartboyhw: all of this has been discussed already on ubuntu-devel, if the wayland is a backend for Mesa, then it'll also just work
[17:31] <smartboyhw> micahg, yeah, let's see......
[17:31] <ttoine> smartboyhw, remember me you age ?
[17:31] <smartboyhw> ttoine, what?
[17:31] <micahg> smartboyhw: the only decision that's been made AFAICT is that for 13.10 and 14.04 Kubuntu will ship standard X
[17:32] <smartboyhw> micahg, yeah
[17:33] <ttoine> smartboyhw, how old are you ?
[17:33] <cub> hey ttoine I didn't know you was in on Ubuntu Studio in the beginning. cool.
[17:33] <Mish> smartboyhw, no? but I toolkits and WMs wokred on top of display managers
[17:34] <smartboyhw> ttoine, 14? 15 in 22 days.
[17:34] <smartboyhw> Mish, well no is the correct answer, they won't need to port
[17:35] <ttoine> and you already do all that stuff ? are you the next torvald ?
[17:35] <ttoine> or the next aaron swartz ?
[17:36] <smartboyhw> ttoine, nah,  my programming is crappy still
[17:36] <ttoine> do you think I know how to programm ?
[17:36] <smartboyhw> ttoine, no:P
[17:36] <ttoine> you still have time to practice programing, you are so young, and already talented
[17:36] <ttoine> and very active
[17:37] <cub> exactly
[17:39]  * smartboyhw has to sleep....... 1:39 AM
[17:57] <zequence> this is quite interesting I think, and something I'd very much like to participate in for 14.04 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu
[18:06] <ttoine> zequence, looks interesting...
[18:06] <ttoine> but what could we do ?
[18:06] <ttoine> distribute install CD on the streets ?
[18:09] <zequence> ttoine: I imagine the best method would be to do, what is the right term, targeted advertisement, using banners, slogans, some specific and easy to understand messages to make people become more aware of the idea that Ubuntu could be an alternative to their XP install
[18:09] <zequence> if we join up, using the same messages, it might do some good, I think
[18:09] <zequence> or similar messages
[18:10] <zequence> we still have our own nisches
[18:10] <zequence> I'm sure the it should not be hard to involve most of the Ubuntu community on this
[18:11] <ttoine> sure
[18:11] <Mish> this sounds a lot like a full on advertising campaign
[18:13] <zequence> It's a good moment to do something like that, since Win8 is really taking off slowly, and there are lots of people with older machines, etc, who might not be interested in any newer Win alternatives
[18:13] <zequence> Lubuntu is a good choice for old machines
[18:13] <Mish> true
[18:14] <ttoine> Ubuntu 12.04 is a good one for old machines
[18:14] <Mish> but personally I'd like to see what they come up with in phase 0 first
[18:14] <ttoine> oh, oups... its end of life is it april 2014 too...
[18:15] <Mish> no eol for 12.04 is in 2017
[18:15] <Mish> last I saw that is
[18:15] <Mish> *time
[18:17] <zequence> Just today I helped a guy create a usb installer with Lubuntu 12.04 for his P4 machine at home
[18:17] <zequence> He had XP on it, but it was broken, so the machine was not doing anything
[18:18] <Mish> nice
[19:16] <cub> Start Ubuntu seems like a good idea, but a bit late in the race
[19:16] <cub> It will take time to get it going and XP users might already have made their change once the word gets out
[22:07] <OvenWerk1> zequence_: (or anyone else) I  was working during the earlier chat re: MIR
[22:09] <OvenWerk1> I think the point is generally mote. MIR _must_ run the huge pile of SW that is already out there or Ubuntu (vanilla) and the market it is aimed at will fail.
[22:09] <OvenWerk1> So KDE, MIR support or not, should still be runable on top of MIR... time will tell.
[22:09] <micahg> right, that's why XMir isn't going anywhere anytime soon
[22:12] <OvenWerk1> My second point is that if someone chooses a different DE to run Studio on top of, they are not likeley to be switching back and forth. I am finding that right now KDE is the most stable on my desktop. The issue of switching from wayland to MIR isn't there. 
[22:14] <OvenWerk1> (my laptop/netbook runs xfce just fine... where I am typing)
[22:15] <OvenWerk1> The only people who will have an issue with switching from one display server to another is those of us testing them  :P