| hatch | morning huwshimi thanks for the changes - I put 0.7.2 out this am | 00:51 |
|---|---|---|
| huwshimi | hatch: Np, thanks for the release. | 00:55 |
| hatch | man we can get 30yr mortgages now | 01:04 |
| hatch | that's nuts! | 01:04 |
| huwshimi | hatch: You couldn't before? | 01:15 |
| hatch | nope 25 was the max | 01:15 |
| huwshimi | hatch: That's what most people have here | 01:15 |
| huwshimi | (30) | 01:15 |
| hatch | to me the calculation doesn't make much sense | 01:15 |
| hatch | save only about 8%/mo | 01:16 |
| hatch | but i might be missing something as I'm just using the bank calculator :) | 01:16 |
| hatch | our house prices are just nuts now so maybe that's why they added it | 01:17 |
| hatch | in 'nice' areas they are going for $400/sqft | 01:18 |
| hatch | for a house with a yard, and the like | 01:18 |
| === _mup__ is now known as _mup_ | ||
| hatch | morning | 14:01 |
| === benji__ is now known as benji | ||
| bac | morning hatch | 14:38 |
| hatch | mornin bac | 14:38 |
| hatch | I tried to watch a video this morning on msdn.com - it required silverlight which was out of date so it wouldn't play | 14:40 |
| hatch | :/ | 14:40 |
| hatch | at least it includes the ability to download the video heh | 14:41 |
| === makyo_ is now known as Makyo | ||
| hatch | Mak-yooooooooooo | 14:48 |
| hatch | welcome to the empty office | 14:48 |
| Makyo | Hah! Yeah. | 14:49 |
| hatch | I bought the new Magic The Gathering app on android | 14:49 |
| hatch | last night | 14:49 |
| hatch | big mistake | 14:49 |
| Makyo | Oh yeah? | 14:49 |
| hatch | first there are a lot more rules than when I stopped playing ohhhh 8 years ago :) | 14:50 |
| hatch | and I probably played it for like 3h haha | 14:50 |
| bcsaller | I used to play that when it first came out | 14:51 |
| Makyo | Yeah, exactly. I tried looking into it a few years ago and got lost when it started to pick up in popularity again. Hadn't played since elementary school. | 14:51 |
| bcsaller | you just made me feel old | 14:52 |
| hatch | the cool thing about the app is that it tells you what each things do | 14:52 |
| hatch | bcsaller: first came out? lol wow | 14:52 |
| Makyo | Oops :) | 14:52 |
| bcsaller | heh | 14:52 |
| hatch | I think my first box was Ice Age | 14:52 |
| bcsaller | I can take it | 14:52 |
| Makyo | Mine was Revised. | 14:52 |
| Makyo | Wait, am I the youngest? :P | 14:53 |
| hatch | in magic card years....it does appear so | 14:54 |
| rick_h_ | howdy hatch | 14:55 |
| bcsaller | hatch: you were talking about this yesterday. Check out the graph on price per sq ft http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/San_Francisco-California/market-trends/ | 14:55 |
| bcsaller | I think 1br are the worst | 14:55 |
| hatch | bcsaller: wow....how the heck can anyone afford to buy there? haha | 14:56 |
| hatch | $850k for a 1500sqft condo.....jeeeeeeze | 14:57 |
| bcsaller | people buy these things? | 14:57 |
| bcsaller | this is earthquake country :) | 14:57 |
| hatch | lol | 14:58 |
| hatch | at least there there isn't any more land to build on | 14:58 |
| hatch | we have a lot of land | 14:58 |
| hatch | lol | 14:58 |
| Makyo | Friend of mine just bought a house in Redwood City recently, actually. $820k :P | 14:58 |
| bac | so are we having a meeting? | 14:58 |
| Makyo | I thnk its on reclaimed land, too. | 14:58 |
| Makyo | Oh, yeah, jujugui call in 2 - just a daily. | 14:58 |
| benji | jujugui: I'm having audio/video problems. | 15:04 |
| Makyo | benji, no worries, though we finished pretty quick. No surprises from the call; bcsaller and hatch may be proposing today. | 15:05 |
| benji | sounds good; thanks for the update | 15:05 |
| hatch | benji: http://oscargodson.com/posts/why-i-dont-use-coffeescript.html lol | 15:07 |
| hatch | rick_h_: hey I just noticed that i can't deploy some charms on trunk | 15:12 |
| hatch | is this a known issue? | 15:13 |
| Makyo | Boo. 83 tests failed. | 16:11 |
| hatch | boo | 16:17 |
| hatch | man typescript with visual studio is so cool | 16:18 |
| hatch | too bad VS requires Windows | 16:18 |
| Makyo | Huh, everything passes in the browser. Maybe a make clean is in order. | 16:19 |
| hatch | check to make sure that you aren't trying to log something with a circular reference (like a Y.Node) | 16:20 |
| hatch | phantomjs barfs on that | 16:20 |
| Makyo | Oh, didn't save. :P | 16:20 |
| hatch | lol | 16:22 |
| hatch | Makyo: var service = this.model || this.get('model') was really just a suggestion :) | 16:26 |
| hatch | maybe we should have a code for 'must change' and 'would like changed' :D | 16:26 |
| Makyo | hatch, ah, okay. I usually just put "<change> maybe? Up to you." in the comment. | 16:27 |
| Makyo | It's a style thing, though, so no biggie. | 16:27 |
| hatch | how about 'IC' implementers choice :) | 16:27 |
| Makyo | I just always have to force myself to read that as assigning the model to the variable, and not 'true'. | 16:28 |
| hatch | ahh yeah | 16:28 |
| hatch | need the brackets for that | 16:28 |
| hatch | :) | 16:28 |
| Makyo | Yeah. Just habit. | 16:29 |
| Makyo | Anyway, I'm fine just using words, rather than Sekrit Codes to say that, unless rv can interpret that like LGTMs. | 16:29 |
| hatch | haha | 16:31 |
| hatch | it probably can't | 16:32 |
| hatch | lgtm'd | 16:32 |
| Makyo | Cheers, thanks. | 16:33 |
| hatch | two spaces after periods look so funny to me | 16:33 |
| Makyo | Yeah, it's what I was taught in elementary school. I'm trying to break myself of the habit, but it's hard. | 16:33 |
| hatch | yeah I'm pretty sure it's purely a style choice now so neither are 'wrong' | 16:36 |
| Makyo | True. One space is preferred by a lot of publishers, but it usually doesn't matter on the net, since white space collapses :P | 16:39 |
| hatch | haha - which is so odd imho | 16:40 |
| hatch | why do I need non breaking spaces....like CMON!!!! | 16:40 |
| hatch | :) | 16:40 |
| Makyo | Well, if you indent your HTML and still have a max width, that could get odd in deeply nested text :) | 16:41 |
| Makyo | I mostly write in markdown these days, anyway :P | 16:42 |
| hatch | haha yeah ok I suppose | 16:42 |
| hatch | yeah markdown is really nice | 16:42 |
| Makyo | Yeah, definitely. | 16:42 |
| Makyo | Only problem I've run into is the wordpress plugin treats hard-wrapped paragraphs literally and inserts <br/>s | 16:43 |
| hatch | ahh - I ran into that on my blog on Tumblr and ended up finding a hidden option to switch it to raw HTML - so I have to type the <p>'s manually but at least then I don't get any odd artifacts | 16:44 |
| Makyo | Ah, yeah. Tumblr has a strange idea of markdown, as it is :P | 16:46 |
| hatch | yeah I'm really looking forward to http://tryghost.org/ | 16:47 |
| hatch | if it lives up to it's hype it should be a great platform (written in node) | 16:47 |
| Makyo | Oh? | 16:50 |
| Makyo | I mostly use WP or Jekyll+Disqus, but this looks neat. | 16:50 |
| hatch | is `peeps` our 'private' mailing list? | 16:52 |
| hatch | I always get those two mixed up | 16:52 |
| Makyo | Yeah. You can go to https://launchpad.net/~juju-gui-peeps and see the private banner | 16:53 |
| hatch | ahh ok cool | 16:53 |
| hatch | when I come across a blog post in another language I'm all like "man why isn't this in English" I wonder if non English speakers say the same thing :) | 17:02 |
| hatch | well except "why isn't this in X" :) | 17:02 |
| bac | did y'all get invited to the leankit kanbanaroo party? | 18:29 |
| Makyo | bac, Haha, no. What is it? | 18:38 |
| hatch | nope I didn't either! | 18:38 |
| bac | it's a street party at Agile2013 sponsored by leankit | 18:39 |
| bac | i think benji should go since it's in nashville and he's localish | 18:39 |
| benji | "kanbanaroo" - that's pretty funny | 18:40 |
| hatch | haha it is | 18:52 |
| Makyo | Probably not as exciting as Bonnaroo. More efficient, though. | 18:53 |
| hatch | leankit really needs to work on their performance | 19:02 |
| hatch | I have to refresh the page every day | 19:02 |
| hatch | Makyo: after doing these releases should I delete the cards in Releasable? Or is there some other thing to do to those? | 19:02 |
| bcsaller | they get archived I belive | 19:03 |
| bcsaller | believe | 19:03 |
| Makyo | Yeah, I think archived. Might be worth waiting until Gary gets back, though. | 19:03 |
| hatch | yeah - there is a way to archive to 'Done' but that's a good idea, dont' want to have to manually move them all somewhere else :) | 19:04 |
| hatch | Makyo: since you haven't yet committed your branch could I request one more 'improvement'? :) Add env to the attributes of view-container.js to match config base | 19:16 |
| Makyo | hatch, Sure, still poking around at tests. | 19:17 |
| hatch | yeah no rush - I also added env to it, so I can add it if you don't want too :) | 19:17 |
| Makyo | hatch, You mean just in the ATTRS? | 19:17 |
| hatch | yeah just so that anyone looking at it can see that it's expecting the env attribute | 19:18 |
| Makyo | hatch, Sure. I'll add it after db, so if you do add it yourself, it won't conflict. | 19:18 |
| hatch | ok great thx | 19:19 |
| * hatch slides this into his ammo box for Typescript conversion discussion | 19:19 | |
| * hatch expects to be shut down hard during that discussion | 19:20 | |
| hatch | :P | 19:20 |
| hatch | bac: reviewing | 19:24 |
| bac | jujugui: reviews https://codereview.appspot.com/10964044/ | 19:24 |
| bac | thanks hatch | 19:24 |
| bac | thanks benji | 19:28 |
| * bac relocates | 19:34 | |
| hatch | benji: this just looks funny but I think it's cool :) (svcInspector ? this.inspector : this).get('model') | 19:41 |
| * bac relocated | 19:48 | |
| hatch | I guess the new spot was not wifi friendly :) | 19:54 |
| hatch | bac: find a new wifi friendly location? | 19:57 |
| hatch | :) | 19:57 |
| hatch | aww man I have a databinding issue I can't seem to track down | 19:59 |
| hatch | bcsaller: this is all your fault | 20:00 |
| * hatch walks away successfully pushing the blame away | 20:00 | |
| hatch | lol | 20:00 |
| bcsaller | what did I do this time? | 20:00 |
| hatch | no I actually think this is me | 20:01 |
| bac | hatch: i tried oceanfront but had to retreat | 20:01 |
| hatch | bcsaller: when we edit a config field, it goes into 'conflicted' then you click 'save' and it's still conflicted when the model updates | 20:01 |
| hatch | so I wrote the conflict part so it's actually my fault... ;) | 20:01 |
| hatch | bac: aww man that would be so cool, working on the beach | 20:02 |
| bcsaller | save would have to clean all conflicted state, unless that was somehow the last UI opportunity to confirm what your doing (in an overwrite situation) | 20:02 |
| hatch | yeah there are a few different possible things here | 20:03 |
| bcsaller | but I think we won't need that if the real conflict UX is sufficient | 20:03 |
| hatch | so you're saying that they have chosen to keep their own data so it's not really in conflict | 20:04 |
| hatch | so on save, blow out the conflicts and force the changes to the other user | 20:04 |
| hatch | a clearConflicted method would be trivial to write heh | 20:04 |
| hatch | as long as that's the story | 20:04 |
| bcsaller | hatch: that makes sense to me, we could optionally change the text on the save button when conflicts are detected to say something like Save (overwrite Juju changes) or something | 20:05 |
| bcsaller | and if there are none, it just says save | 20:06 |
| bcsaller | either way though it clears the state | 20:06 |
| hatch | excellent idea | 20:06 |
| * hatch steals and claims it as his own | 20:06 | |
| bcsaller | ha | 20:06 |
| bcsaller | there is not 'team' in idea. Somehow I don't think that expression will catch on | 20:07 |
| bac | hatch: removing those function references does cause breakage. | 20:09 |
| hatch | bcsaller: lol I like that one | 20:09 |
| hatch | bac: hmm ok let me review the code again | 20:09 |
| hatch | bac: what is the error? | 20:10 |
| hatch | Makyo was able to remove those and his code doesn't look any different... | 20:11 |
| bac | re-running | 20:11 |
| Makyo | hatch? | 20:11 |
| Makyo | Oh. | 20:12 |
| Makyo | Misread. | 20:12 |
| hatch | sorry didn't mean to ding | 20:12 |
| Makyo | That's fine, just misread. | 20:12 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: not sure on the issues deploying hcarms. Guess files bugs on them and we can look. | 20:12 |
| hatch | rick_h_: ok seems like today is your day off so this can wait until you're back :) | 20:13 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: yea, I'm out in the wood. This is my 30min of internet for hte day. | 20:13 |
| rick_h_ | have to ride my bike up to the club house to get on crappy shared wifi | 20:13 |
| rick_h_ | just long enough to do a little git push and reply to a few emails | 20:13 |
| hatch | man I think a fighter just did a flyby my house | 20:14 |
| hatch | holy that was loud | 20:14 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: well file bugs on which charms at least so we can look into it post-holiday. | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: even better if it's something you can give an error from as it seems it must be client side. Maybe bad config unable to parse or something? However I think we sanity check that stuff already | 20:18 |
| bac | hatch: unsurprisingly, when i remove the def of this.inspector.exposeService then calling this.inspector.exposeService() is an error. | 20:19 |
| bac | hatch: should that fcn be defined in a different context? | 20:19 |
| hatch | ahhh yes | 20:20 |
| hatch | I missed that sorry | 20:20 |
| * hatch is a bad reviewer | 20:20 | |
| hatch | this.exposeService | 20:20 |
| hatch | rick_h_: well now I can't get them to fail....ignore me clearly I've lost my mind | 20:20 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: even better, self fixing bugs! | 20:20 |
| hatch | haha | 20:21 |
| rick_h_ | ok, back to no signal-ville. git push and email replies accomplished. | 20:22 |
| hatch | cya | 20:23 |
| hatch | bac: did that work for ya? | 20:32 |
| bac | hatch: yep, after also defining the flags in my test. | 20:36 |
| hatch | great | 20:43 |
| bac | hatch: relook? https://codereview.appspot.com/10964044 | 20:57 |
| hatch | thanks I'll get on it right away | 20:58 |
| hatch | bac: lgtm'd with one request | 21:03 |
| bac | dagnabbit | 21:10 |
| hatch | it's a small one :) | 21:10 |
| bac | hatch: thanks | 21:10 |
| bac | bye all. have a nice weekend. | 21:24 |
| abentley | $ juju destroy-environment | 21:55 |
| abentley | WARNING: this command will destroy the environment. | 21:55 |
| abentley | This includes spilling oil, contaminating the earth, polluting the air, and destroying other resources. Continue [y/N] | 21:55 |
| Makyo | Hahaha | 22:06 |
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