[00:51] morning huwshimi thanks for the changes - I put 0.7.2 out this am [00:55] hatch: Np, thanks for the release. [01:04] man we can get 30yr mortgages now [01:04] that's nuts! [01:15] hatch: You couldn't before? [01:15] nope 25 was the max [01:15] hatch: That's what most people have here [01:15] (30) [01:15] to me the calculation doesn't make much sense [01:16] save only about 8%/mo [01:16] but i might be missing something as I'm just using the bank calculator :) [01:17] our house prices are just nuts now so maybe that's why they added it [01:18] in 'nice' areas they are going for $400/sqft [01:18] for a house with a yard, and the like === _mup__ is now known as _mup_ [14:01] morning === benji__ is now known as benji [14:38] morning hatch [14:38] mornin bac [14:40] I tried to watch a video this morning on msdn.com - it required silverlight which was out of date so it wouldn't play [14:40] :/ [14:41] at least it includes the ability to download the video heh === makyo_ is now known as Makyo [14:48] Mak-yooooooooooo [14:48] welcome to the empty office [14:49] Hah! Yeah. [14:49] I bought the new Magic The Gathering app on android [14:49] last night [14:49] big mistake [14:49] Oh yeah? [14:50] first there are a lot more rules than when I stopped playing ohhhh 8 years ago :) [14:50] and I probably played it for like 3h haha [14:51] I used to play that when it first came out [14:51] Yeah, exactly. I tried looking into it a few years ago and got lost when it started to pick up in popularity again. Hadn't played since elementary school. [14:52] you just made me feel old [14:52] the cool thing about the app is that it tells you what each things do [14:52] bcsaller: first came out? lol wow [14:52] Oops :) [14:52] heh [14:52] I think my first box was Ice Age [14:52] I can take it [14:52] Mine was Revised. [14:53] Wait, am I the youngest? :P [14:54] in magic card years....it does appear so [14:55] howdy hatch [14:55] hatch: you were talking about this yesterday. Check out the graph on price per sq ft http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/San_Francisco-California/market-trends/ [14:55] I think 1br are the worst [14:56] bcsaller: wow....how the heck can anyone afford to buy there? haha [14:57] $850k for a 1500sqft condo.....jeeeeeeze [14:57] people buy these things? [14:57] this is earthquake country :) [14:58] lol [14:58] at least there there isn't any more land to build on [14:58] we have a lot of land [14:58] lol [14:58] Friend of mine just bought a house in Redwood City recently, actually. $820k :P [14:58] so are we having a meeting? [14:58] I thnk its on reclaimed land, too. [14:58] Oh, yeah, jujugui call in 2 - just a daily. [15:04] jujugui: I'm having audio/video problems. [15:05] benji, no worries, though we finished pretty quick. No surprises from the call; bcsaller and hatch may be proposing today. [15:05] sounds good; thanks for the update [15:07] benji: http://oscargodson.com/posts/why-i-dont-use-coffeescript.html lol [15:12] rick_h_: hey I just noticed that i can't deploy some charms on trunk [15:13] is this a known issue? [16:11] Boo. 83 tests failed. [16:17] boo [16:18] man typescript with visual studio is so cool [16:18] too bad VS requires Windows [16:19] Huh, everything passes in the browser. Maybe a make clean is in order. [16:20] check to make sure that you aren't trying to log something with a circular reference (like a Y.Node) [16:20] phantomjs barfs on that [16:20] Oh, didn't save. :P [16:22] lol [16:26] Makyo: var service = this.model || this.get('model') was really just a suggestion :) [16:26] maybe we should have a code for 'must change' and 'would like changed' :D [16:27] hatch, ah, okay. I usually just put " maybe? Up to you." in the comment. [16:27] It's a style thing, though, so no biggie. [16:27] how about 'IC' implementers choice :) [16:28] I just always have to force myself to read that as assigning the model to the variable, and not 'true'. [16:28] ahh yeah [16:28] need the brackets for that [16:28] :) [16:29] Yeah. Just habit. [16:29] Anyway, I'm fine just using words, rather than Sekrit Codes to say that, unless rv can interpret that like LGTMs. [16:31] haha [16:32] it probably can't [16:32] lgtm'd [16:33] Cheers, thanks. [16:33] two spaces after periods look so funny to me [16:33] Yeah, it's what I was taught in elementary school. I'm trying to break myself of the habit, but it's hard. [16:36] yeah I'm pretty sure it's purely a style choice now so neither are 'wrong' [16:39] True. One space is preferred by a lot of publishers, but it usually doesn't matter on the net, since white space collapses :P [16:40] haha - which is so odd imho [16:40] why do I need non breaking spaces....like CMON!!!! [16:40] :) [16:41] Well, if you indent your HTML and still have a max width, that could get odd in deeply nested text :) [16:42] I mostly write in markdown these days, anyway :P [16:42] haha yeah ok I suppose [16:42] yeah markdown is really nice [16:42] Yeah, definitely. [16:43] Only problem I've run into is the wordpress plugin treats hard-wrapped paragraphs literally and inserts
s [16:44] ahh - I ran into that on my blog on Tumblr and ended up finding a hidden option to switch it to raw HTML - so I have to type the

's manually but at least then I don't get any odd artifacts [16:46] Ah, yeah. Tumblr has a strange idea of markdown, as it is :P [16:47] yeah I'm really looking forward to http://tryghost.org/ [16:47] if it lives up to it's hype it should be a great platform (written in node) [16:50] Oh? [16:50] I mostly use WP or Jekyll+Disqus, but this looks neat. [16:52] is `peeps` our 'private' mailing list? [16:52] I always get those two mixed up [16:53] Yeah. You can go to https://launchpad.net/~juju-gui-peeps and see the private banner [16:53] ahh ok cool [17:02] when I come across a blog post in another language I'm all like "man why isn't this in English" I wonder if non English speakers say the same thing :) [17:02] well except "why isn't this in X" :) [18:29] did y'all get invited to the leankit kanbanaroo party? [18:38] bac, Haha, no. What is it? [18:38] nope I didn't either! [18:39] it's a street party at Agile2013 sponsored by leankit [18:39] i think benji should go since it's in nashville and he's localish [18:40] "kanbanaroo" - that's pretty funny [18:52] haha it is [18:53] Probably not as exciting as Bonnaroo. More efficient, though. [19:02] leankit really needs to work on their performance [19:02] I have to refresh the page every day [19:02] Makyo: after doing these releases should I delete the cards in Releasable? Or is there some other thing to do to those? [19:03] they get archived I belive [19:03] believe [19:03] Yeah, I think archived. Might be worth waiting until Gary gets back, though. [19:04] yeah - there is a way to archive to 'Done' but that's a good idea, dont' want to have to manually move them all somewhere else :) [19:16] Makyo: since you haven't yet committed your branch could I request one more 'improvement'? :) Add env to the attributes of view-container.js to match config base [19:17] hatch, Sure, still poking around at tests. [19:17] yeah no rush - I also added env to it, so I can add it if you don't want too :) [19:17] hatch, You mean just in the ATTRS? [19:18] yeah just so that anyone looking at it can see that it's expecting the env attribute [19:18] hatch, Sure. I'll add it after db, so if you do add it yourself, it won't conflict. [19:19] ok great thx [19:19] * hatch slides this into his ammo box for Typescript conversion discussion [19:20] * hatch expects to be shut down hard during that discussion [19:20] :P [19:24] bac: reviewing [19:24] jujugui: reviews https://codereview.appspot.com/10964044/ [19:24] thanks hatch [19:28] thanks benji [19:34] * bac relocates [19:41] benji: this just looks funny but I think it's cool :) (svcInspector ? this.inspector : this).get('model') [19:48] * bac relocated [19:54] I guess the new spot was not wifi friendly :) [19:57] bac: find a new wifi friendly location? [19:57] :) [19:59] aww man I have a databinding issue I can't seem to track down [20:00] bcsaller: this is all your fault [20:00] * hatch walks away successfully pushing the blame away [20:00] lol [20:00] what did I do this time? [20:01] no I actually think this is me [20:01] hatch: i tried oceanfront but had to retreat [20:01] bcsaller: when we edit a config field, it goes into 'conflicted' then you click 'save' and it's still conflicted when the model updates [20:01] so I wrote the conflict part so it's actually my fault... ;) [20:02] bac: aww man that would be so cool, working on the beach [20:02] save would have to clean all conflicted state, unless that was somehow the last UI opportunity to confirm what your doing (in an overwrite situation) [20:03] yeah there are a few different possible things here [20:03] but I think we won't need that if the real conflict UX is sufficient [20:04] so you're saying that they have chosen to keep their own data so it's not really in conflict [20:04] so on save, blow out the conflicts and force the changes to the other user [20:04] a clearConflicted method would be trivial to write heh [20:04] as long as that's the story [20:05] hatch: that makes sense to me, we could optionally change the text on the save button when conflicts are detected to say something like Save (overwrite Juju changes) or something [20:06] and if there are none, it just says save [20:06] either way though it clears the state [20:06] excellent idea [20:06] * hatch steals and claims it as his own [20:06] ha [20:07] there is not 'team' in idea. Somehow I don't think that expression will catch on [20:09] hatch: removing those function references does cause breakage. [20:09] bcsaller: lol I like that one [20:09] bac: hmm ok let me review the code again [20:10] bac: what is the error? [20:11] Makyo was able to remove those and his code doesn't look any different... [20:11] re-running [20:11] hatch? [20:12] Oh. [20:12] Misread. [20:12] sorry didn't mean to ding [20:12] That's fine, just misread. [20:12] hatch: not sure on the issues deploying hcarms. Guess files bugs on them and we can look. [20:13] rick_h_: ok seems like today is your day off so this can wait until you're back :) [20:13] hatch: yea, I'm out in the wood. This is my 30min of internet for hte day. [20:13] have to ride my bike up to the club house to get on crappy shared wifi [20:13] just long enough to do a little git push and reply to a few emails [20:14] man I think a fighter just did a flyby my house [20:14] holy that was loud [20:17] hatch: well file bugs on which charms at least so we can look into it post-holiday. [20:18] hatch: even better if it's something you can give an error from as it seems it must be client side. Maybe bad config unable to parse or something? However I think we sanity check that stuff already [20:19] hatch: unsurprisingly, when i remove the def of this.inspector.exposeService then calling this.inspector.exposeService() is an error. [20:19] hatch: should that fcn be defined in a different context? [20:20] ahhh yes [20:20] I missed that sorry [20:20] * hatch is a bad reviewer [20:20] this.exposeService [20:20] rick_h_: well now I can't get them to fail....ignore me clearly I've lost my mind [20:20] hatch: even better, self fixing bugs! [20:21] haha [20:22] ok, back to no signal-ville. git push and email replies accomplished. [20:23] cya [20:32] bac: did that work for ya? [20:36] hatch: yep, after also defining the flags in my test. [20:43] great [20:57] hatch: relook? https://codereview.appspot.com/10964044 [20:58] thanks I'll get on it right away [21:03] bac: lgtm'd with one request [21:10] dagnabbit [21:10] it's a small one :) [21:10] hatch: thanks [21:24] bye all. have a nice weekend. [21:55] $ juju destroy-environment [21:55] WARNING: this command will destroy the environment. [21:55] This includes spilling oil, contaminating the earth, polluting the air, and destroying other resources. Continue [y/N] [22:06] Hahaha