[00:51] <hatch> morning huwshimi thanks for the changes - I put 0.7.2 out this am
[00:55] <huwshimi> hatch: Np, thanks for the release.
[01:04] <hatch> man we can get 30yr mortgages now
[01:04] <hatch> that's nuts!
[01:15] <huwshimi> hatch: You couldn't before?
[01:15] <hatch> nope 25 was the max
[01:15] <huwshimi> hatch: That's what most people have here
[01:15] <huwshimi> (30)
[01:15] <hatch> to me the calculation doesn't make much sense
[01:16] <hatch> save only about 8%/mo
[01:16] <hatch> but i might be missing something as I'm just using the bank calculator :)
[01:17] <hatch> our house prices are just nuts now so maybe that's why they added it
[01:18] <hatch> in 'nice' areas they are going for $400/sqft
[01:18] <hatch> for a house with a yard, and the like
[14:01] <hatch> morning
[14:38] <bac> morning hatch
[14:38] <hatch> mornin bac
[14:40] <hatch> I tried to watch a video this morning on msdn.com - it required silverlight which was out of date so it wouldn't play
[14:40] <hatch> :/
[14:41] <hatch> at least it includes the ability to download the video heh
[14:48] <hatch> Mak-yooooooooooo
[14:48] <hatch> welcome to the empty office
[14:49] <Makyo> Hah!  Yeah.
[14:49] <hatch> I bought the new Magic The Gathering app on android
[14:49] <hatch> last night
[14:49] <hatch> big mistake
[14:49] <Makyo> Oh yeah? 
[14:50] <hatch> first there are a lot more rules than when I stopped playing ohhhh 8 years ago :)
[14:50] <hatch> and I probably played it for like 3h haha
[14:51] <bcsaller> I used to play that when it first came out
[14:51] <Makyo> Yeah, exactly.  I tried looking into it a few years ago and got lost when it started to pick up in popularity again.  Hadn't played since elementary school.
[14:52] <bcsaller> you just made me feel old
[14:52] <hatch> the cool thing about the app is that it tells you what each things do
[14:52] <hatch> bcsaller: first came out? lol wow
[14:52] <Makyo> Oops :)
[14:52] <bcsaller> heh
[14:52] <hatch> I think my first box was Ice Age
[14:52] <bcsaller> I can take it
[14:52] <Makyo> Mine was Revised.
[14:53] <Makyo> Wait, am I the youngest? :P
[14:54] <hatch> in magic card years....it does appear so
[14:55] <rick_h_> howdy hatch 
[14:55] <bcsaller> hatch: you were talking about this yesterday. Check out the graph on price per sq ft http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/San_Francisco-California/market-trends/
[14:55] <bcsaller> I think 1br are the worst
[14:56] <hatch> bcsaller: wow....how the heck can anyone afford to buy there? haha
[14:57] <hatch> $850k for a 1500sqft condo.....jeeeeeeze
[14:57] <bcsaller> people buy these things?
[14:57] <bcsaller> this is earthquake country :)
[14:58] <hatch> lol
[14:58] <hatch> at least there there isn't any more land to build on
[14:58] <hatch> we have a lot of land
[14:58] <hatch> lol
[14:58] <Makyo> Friend of mine just bought a house in Redwood City recently, actually.  $820k :P
[14:58] <bac> so are we having a meeting?
[14:58] <Makyo> I thnk its on reclaimed land, too.
[14:58] <Makyo> Oh, yeah, jujugui call in 2 - just a daily.
[15:04] <benji> jujugui: I'm having audio/video problems.
[15:05] <Makyo> benji, no worries, though we finished pretty quick.  No surprises from the call; bcsaller and hatch may be proposing today.
[15:05] <benji> sounds good; thanks for the update
[15:07] <hatch> benji: http://oscargodson.com/posts/why-i-dont-use-coffeescript.html lol
[15:12] <hatch> rick_h_: hey I just noticed that i can't deploy some charms on trunk
[15:13] <hatch> is this a known issue?
[16:11] <Makyo> Boo.  83 tests failed.
[16:17] <hatch> boo
[16:18] <hatch> man typescript with visual studio is so cool
[16:18] <hatch> too bad VS requires Windows
[16:19] <Makyo> Huh, everything passes in the browser.  Maybe a make clean is in order.
[16:20] <hatch> check to make sure that you aren't trying to log something with a circular reference (like a Y.Node)
[16:20] <hatch> phantomjs barfs on that
[16:20] <Makyo> Oh, didn't save. :P
[16:22] <hatch> lol
[16:26] <hatch> Makyo:  var service = this.model || this.get('model')  was really just a suggestion :)
[16:26] <hatch> maybe we should have a code for 'must change' and 'would like changed' :D
[16:27] <Makyo> hatch, ah, okay.  I usually just put "<change> maybe? Up to you." in the comment.
[16:27] <Makyo> It's a style thing, though, so no biggie.
[16:27] <hatch> how about 'IC' implementers choice :)
[16:28] <Makyo> I just always have to force myself to read that as assigning the model to the variable, and not 'true'.
[16:28] <hatch> ahh yeah
[16:28] <hatch> need the brackets for that
[16:28] <hatch> :)
[16:29] <Makyo> Yeah.  Just habit.
[16:29] <Makyo> Anyway, I'm fine just using words, rather than Sekrit Codes to say that, unless rv can interpret that like LGTMs.
[16:31] <hatch> haha
[16:32] <hatch> it probably can't
[16:32] <hatch> lgtm'd
[16:33] <Makyo> Cheers, thanks.
[16:33] <hatch> two spaces after periods look so funny to me
[16:33] <Makyo> Yeah, it's what I was taught in elementary school. I'm trying to break myself of the habit, but it's hard.
[16:36] <hatch> yeah I'm pretty sure it's purely a style choice now so neither are 'wrong'
[16:39] <Makyo> True. One space is preferred by a lot of publishers, but it usually doesn't matter on the net, since white space collapses :P
[16:40] <hatch> haha - which is so odd imho
[16:40] <hatch> why do I need non breaking spaces....like CMON!!!!
[16:40] <hatch> :)
[16:41] <Makyo> Well, if you indent your HTML and still have a max width, that could get odd in deeply nested text :)
[16:42] <Makyo> I mostly write in markdown these days, anyway :P
[16:42] <hatch> haha yeah ok I suppose
[16:42] <hatch> yeah markdown is really nice
[16:42] <Makyo> Yeah, definitely.
[16:43] <Makyo> Only problem I've run into is the wordpress plugin treats hard-wrapped paragraphs literally and inserts <br/>s
[16:44] <hatch> ahh - I ran into that on my blog on Tumblr and ended up finding a hidden option to switch it to raw HTML - so I have to type the <p>'s manually but at least then I don't get any odd artifacts
[16:46] <Makyo> Ah, yeah. Tumblr has a strange idea of markdown, as it is :P
[16:47] <hatch> yeah I'm really looking forward to http://tryghost.org/
[16:47] <hatch> if it lives up to it's hype it should be a great platform (written in node)
[16:50] <Makyo> Oh?
[16:50] <Makyo> I mostly use WP or Jekyll+Disqus, but this looks neat.
[16:52] <hatch> is `peeps` our 'private' mailing list?
[16:52] <hatch> I always get those two mixed up
[16:53] <Makyo> Yeah.  You can go to https://launchpad.net/~juju-gui-peeps and see the private banner
[16:53] <hatch> ahh ok cool
[17:02] <hatch> when I come across a blog post in another language I'm all like "man why isn't this in English" I wonder if non English speakers say the same thing :)
[17:02] <hatch> well except "why isn't this in X" :)
[18:29] <bac> did y'all get invited to the leankit kanbanaroo party?
[18:38] <Makyo> bac, Haha, no.  What is it?
[18:38] <hatch> nope I didn't either!
[18:39] <bac> it's a street party at Agile2013 sponsored by leankit
[18:39] <bac> i think benji should go since it's in nashville and he's localish
[18:40] <benji> "kanbanaroo" - that's pretty funny
[18:52] <hatch> haha it is
[18:53] <Makyo> Probably not as exciting as Bonnaroo.  More efficient, though.
[19:02] <hatch> leankit really needs to work on their performance
[19:02] <hatch> I have to refresh the page every day
[19:02] <hatch> Makyo: after doing these releases should I delete the cards in Releasable? Or is there some other thing to do to those?
[19:03] <bcsaller> they get archived I belive 
[19:03] <bcsaller> believe
[19:03] <Makyo> Yeah, I think archived.  Might be worth waiting until Gary gets back, though.
[19:04] <hatch> yeah - there is a way to archive to 'Done' but that's a good idea, dont' want to have to manually move them all somewhere else :)
[19:16] <hatch> Makyo: since you haven't yet committed your branch could I request one more 'improvement'? :) Add env to the attributes of view-container.js to match config base
[19:17] <Makyo> hatch, Sure, still poking around at tests.
[19:17] <hatch> yeah no rush - I also added env to it, so I can add it if you don't want too :)
[19:17] <Makyo> hatch, You mean just in the ATTRS?
[19:18] <hatch> yeah just so that anyone looking at it can see that it's expecting the env attribute
[19:18] <Makyo> hatch, Sure.  I'll add it after db, so if you do add it yourself, it won't conflict.
[19:19] <hatch> ok great thx
[19:19]  * hatch slides this into his ammo box for Typescript conversion discussion
[19:20]  * hatch expects to be shut down hard during that discussion
[19:20] <hatch> :P
[19:24] <hatch> bac: reviewing
[19:24] <bac> jujugui: reviews https://codereview.appspot.com/10964044/
[19:24] <bac> thanks hatch
[19:28] <bac> thanks benji
[19:34]  * bac relocates
[19:41] <hatch> benji: this just looks funny but I think it's cool :)  (svcInspector ? this.inspector : this).get('model')
[19:48]  * bac relocated
[19:54] <hatch> I guess the new spot was not wifi friendly :)
[19:57] <hatch> bac:  find a new wifi friendly location?
[19:57] <hatch> :)
[19:59] <hatch> aww man I have a databinding issue I can't seem to track down
[20:00] <hatch> bcsaller: this is all your fault
[20:00]  * hatch walks away successfully pushing the blame away
[20:00] <hatch> lol
[20:00] <bcsaller> what did I do this time?
[20:01] <hatch> no I actually think this is me
[20:01] <bac> hatch: i tried oceanfront but had to retreat
[20:01] <hatch> bcsaller: when we edit a config field, it goes into 'conflicted' then you click 'save' and it's still conflicted when the model updates
[20:01] <hatch> so I wrote the conflict part so it's actually my fault... ;)
[20:02] <hatch> bac: aww man that would be so cool, working on the beach
[20:02] <bcsaller> save would have to clean all conflicted state, unless that was somehow the last UI opportunity to confirm what your doing (in an overwrite situation)
[20:03] <hatch> yeah there are a few different possible things here
[20:03] <bcsaller> but I think we won't need that if the real conflict UX is sufficient 
[20:04] <hatch> so you're saying that they have chosen to keep their own data so it's not really in conflict
[20:04] <hatch> so on save, blow out the conflicts and force the changes to the other user
[20:04] <hatch> a clearConflicted method would be trivial to write heh
[20:04] <hatch> as long as that's the story
[20:05] <bcsaller> hatch: that makes sense to me, we could optionally change the text on the save button when conflicts are detected to say something like Save (overwrite Juju changes) or something
[20:06] <bcsaller> and if there are none, it just says save
[20:06] <bcsaller> either way though it clears the state
[20:06] <hatch> excellent idea
[20:06]  * hatch steals and claims it as his own
[20:06] <bcsaller> ha
[20:07] <bcsaller> there is not 'team' in idea. Somehow I don't think that expression will catch on
[20:09] <bac> hatch: removing those function references does cause breakage.
[20:09] <hatch> bcsaller: lol I like that one
[20:09] <hatch> bac: hmm ok let me review the code again
[20:10] <hatch> bac: what is the error?
[20:11] <hatch> Makyo was able to remove those and his code doesn't look any different...
[20:11] <bac> re-running
[20:11] <Makyo> hatch?
[20:12] <Makyo> Oh.
[20:12] <Makyo> Misread.
[20:12] <hatch> sorry didn't mean to ding
[20:12] <Makyo> That's fine, just misread.
[20:12] <rick_h_> hatch: not sure on the issues deploying hcarms. Guess files bugs on them and we can look. 
[20:13] <hatch> rick_h_: ok seems like today is your day off so this can wait until you're back :)
[20:13] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, I'm out in the wood. This is my 30min of internet for hte day. 
[20:13] <rick_h_> have to ride my bike up to the club house to get on crappy shared wifi
[20:13] <rick_h_> just long enough to do a little git push and reply to a few emails
[20:14] <hatch> man I think a fighter just did a flyby my house
[20:14] <hatch> holy that was loud
[20:17] <rick_h_> hatch: well file bugs on which charms at least so we can look into it post-holiday. 
[20:18] <rick_h_> hatch: even better if it's something you can give an error from as it seems it must be client side. Maybe bad config unable to parse or something? However I think we sanity check that stuff already
[20:19] <bac> hatch: unsurprisingly, when i remove the def of this.inspector.exposeService then calling this.inspector.exposeService() is an error.
[20:19] <bac> hatch: should that fcn be defined in a different context?
[20:20] <hatch> ahhh yes
[20:20] <hatch> I missed that sorry
[20:20]  * hatch is a bad reviewer
[20:20] <hatch> this.exposeService
[20:20] <hatch> rick_h_: well now I can't get them to fail....ignore me clearly I've lost my mind
[20:20] <rick_h_> hatch: even better, self fixing bugs!
[20:21] <hatch> haha
[20:22] <rick_h_> ok, back to no signal-ville. git push and email replies accomplished. 
[20:23] <hatch> cya
[20:32] <hatch> bac: did that work for ya?
[20:36] <bac> hatch: yep, after also defining the flags in my test.
[20:43] <hatch> great
[20:57] <bac> hatch: relook? https://codereview.appspot.com/10964044
[20:58] <hatch> thanks I'll get on it right away
[21:03] <hatch> bac: lgtm'd with one request
[21:10] <bac> dagnabbit
[21:10] <hatch> it's a small one :)
[21:10] <bac> hatch: thanks
[21:24] <bac> bye all.  have a nice weekend.
[21:55] <abentley> $ juju destroy-environment
[21:55] <abentley> WARNING: this command will destroy the environment.
[21:55] <abentley> This includes spilling oil, contaminating the earth, polluting the air, and destroying other resources. Continue [y/N]
[22:06] <Makyo> Hahaha