[00:00] <ahoneybun> has the same versions
[00:00] <Riddell> ok
[00:01] <ahoneybun> and dget on that page?
[00:01] <ahoneybun> what do you mean merged the changelogs?
[00:02] <Riddell> copy the link to the .dsc from http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/partitionmanager
[00:02] <Riddell> and dget that
[00:02] <Riddell> to merge changelogs I start with the debian package
[00:02] <Riddell> dch -i to add a new entry with ubuntu1 on the end of the version number
[00:02] <ahoneybun> where is the deb version? in current or in partitionmanager?
[00:03] <Riddell> version of what?
[00:03] <Riddell> current/ has the saucy package
[00:03] <Riddell> debi/ has the debian package
[00:03] <Riddell> and ~ has what I've been working on
[00:04] <Riddell> that's just how I tend to organise things
[00:04] <Riddell> 01:02 < Riddell> to merge changelogs I start with the debian package
[00:04] <Riddell> 01:02 < Riddell> dch -i to add a new entry with ubuntu1 on the end of the version number
[00:04] <Riddell> then I copy the ubuntu changelog and paste it into the working one at the place where they diverged
[00:04] <Riddell> and delete the old debian one below that
[00:04] <ahoneybun> so 
[00:04] <ahoneybun> cd debi
[00:05] <ahoneybun> and dch -i to add new entry like we did in digikam
[00:05] <Riddell> I keep debi untouched
[00:05] <Riddell> and copy it into a working directory
[00:05] <Riddell> to work in
[00:06] <Riddell> then dch -i to add new entry
[00:06] <ahoneybun> oh copy the debi into the ubuntu changelog?
[00:06] <Riddell> copy the debi/ package into another directory to do your work in
[00:06] <Riddell> and in that package run dch -i then merge in the ubuntu changelog
[00:07] <ahoneybun> I'm not getting the merge concept, is that copying the debian changelog to the ubuntu's one?
[00:08] <Riddell> I start with the package from debian 
[00:08] <Riddell> and copy the ubuntu changelog into that where they diverged
[00:09] <ahoneybun> ok I'm in the debi one
[00:09] <Riddell> ahoneybun: let me show you
[00:09] <ahoneybun> so copy the most recent changes into the debi
[00:11] <ahoneybun> maybe I should just stick with the Docs
[00:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: so they diverged at 1.0.2-1
[00:12] <Riddell> so I copyied the ubuntu changelog and pasted it in above 1.0.2-1
[00:12] <ahoneybun> let me see
[00:12] <Riddell> (this is how I do merged changelogs, there's other ways to do it)
[00:12] <ahoneybun> I don't know emac
[00:13] <ahoneybun> get out of there please so I can see the ubuntu changelog
[00:14] <Riddell> all yours
[00:14] <ahoneybun> thanks
[00:14] <Riddell> I don't think you can open more than one file in nano so I don't know how to take stuff from one file and paste it into another
[00:14] <ahoneybun> klipply?
[00:15] <ahoneybun> klipper
[00:15] <Riddell> it's too big for that
[00:15] <ahoneybun> I see he 1.0.2-1
[00:15] <ahoneybun> the
[00:16] <ahoneybun> So I would copy the things above that mark to the debi changelog?
[00:16] <Riddell> yeah so that's the most recent debian entry in the ubuntu changelog so you can tell that's where it diverged
[00:18] <ahoneybun> so you copied the debi dir into the merge dir?
[00:18] <Riddell> yes
[00:18] <ahoneybun> ok
[00:18] <Riddell> I start with the debian package
[00:18] <ahoneybun> small steps for me
[00:18] <Riddell> then merge in any changes we want in ubuntu
[00:20] <ahoneybun> how so? copy the ubuntu dir into there too?
[00:20] <Riddell> no by looking at what's different and working out what we want to keep
[00:20] <Riddell> so reading the changelog entries since the last debian merge
[00:21] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[00:21] <Riddell> and doing a diff on the debian dirs to see what's different
[00:21] <ahoneybun> this is the step in coping the ubu changelog to the deb one
[00:23] <ahoneybun> thinking now nano is so simple
[00:25] <Riddell> you could use kate
[00:25] <ahoneybun> that is... oh yea
[00:25] <Riddell> open sftp://ubuntu@ec2-54-227-97-38.compute-1.amazonaws.com/home/ubuntu/foo
[00:25] <ahoneybun> but should learn emacs I guess
[00:25] <Riddell> well that's a few evenings in itself
[00:26] <ahoneybun> i see
[00:26] <ahoneybun> I see
[00:26] <ahoneybun> how do I get out of emacs lol
[00:27] <Riddell> control-x control-c
[00:27] <ahoneybun> 2?
[00:28] <ahoneybun> yea I can't do that
[00:28] <ahoneybun> stupid nano
[00:29] <ahoneybun> soooo much easier on my system with a GUI lol
[00:29] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Yo, do you have the ability to add keys in this Alpha as well?
[00:30] <ahoneybun> Riddell: seems you already did the work...
[00:31] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: That looks like the only apt functionality that I'd be missing.
[00:31] <Riddell> yo manchicken, did you get anywhere with docs on server script?
[00:32] <manchicken> Riddell: There's a dump program for this.
[00:32] <manchicken> What's the name of the Wiki again?
[00:33] <manchicken> I can't remember.
[00:33] <Riddell> moin?
[00:33] <manchicken> yeah
[00:34] <ahoneybun> moindump
[00:34] <manchicken> http://moinmo.in/MoinDump
[00:35] <ahoneybun> manchicken: I'm clueless on how to use it
[00:36] <ahoneybun> I don't if I need to download something or what
[00:36] <manchicken> ahoneybun: That wiki page I just put up has a usage example.
[00:36] <manchicken> I think it dumps the whole thing at once.
[00:36]  * ahoneybun is still lost but that is ok
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: nope. I'd like to have the functionality, but I've not found the time to do it
[00:42] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Either I need to find an API for that, or I need to escape to the shell.
[00:42] <manchicken> Fun.
[00:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: use diff in which debian dir?
[00:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: between the working one and the ubuntu one
[00:44] <ahoneybun> k
[00:44] <Riddell> diff -urN debian ../current/partition-1.3/debian
[00:44] <Riddell> or similar
[00:44] <ahoneybun> I just got all the things on my desktop
[00:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: voila
[00:45] <ahoneybun> again I can't do anything
[00:45] <manchicken> I'm also installing Ubuntu Touch, gonna learn me some qml as well.
[00:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think I need to go to bed now, got a meeting in the morning
[00:46] <ahoneybun> ok
[00:46]  * ahoneybun feels his head blowing up
[00:47] <manchicken> Riddell: Should I hard-code these repo paths?
[00:49] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm also wondering if we should just import the key for the debug symbol repo by default :)
[00:55] <apachelogger> manchicken: hardcode is fine, but you'll need to replace the series (raring, saucy etc...)
[00:55] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I'm looking to see if there's a way to figure out which source the package belongs to.
[00:56] <manchicken> apachelogger: I'm going to see if I can tie into LSB to get that.
[00:58] <apachelogger> manchicken: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=about-distro.git&a=blob&h=e538125d861486ec37eab05fc9e8c97ea3bf8ee6&hb=86a3a96c70e6ae810e77615b3701da0886379e35&f=src%2FLSBRelease.cpp
[00:58] <apachelogger> in case you need a class for that
[01:00] <manchicken> Ooh. I'm googling to see if there's an existing API.
[01:02] <apachelogger> there isn't
[01:02] <manchicken> Except the one you just gave me :)
[01:02] <apachelogger> lsbrelease is not really specified anywhere IIRC
[01:02] <apachelogger> yeah, I mean in the context of a library :P
[02:28] <manchicken_> Yay
[02:29] <manchicken_> Ubuntu Touch is missing... almost everything.
[02:29] <manchicken_> I'm wondering if their timeline for early 2014 might be a bit to ambitious.
[02:29] <ahoneybun> manchicken_: many things may not be on there just yet
[02:30] <ahoneybun> but might not mean that they do not have them almost ready
[02:30] <manchicken_> ahoneybun: Most of the things aren't there yet.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:30] <manchicken_> ahoneybun: SMS client, clock settings (I couldn't figure out how to change the timezone from London).
[02:30] <manchicken_> You name it, you've got about a 70% chance it's not there.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> manchicken_: I did not see anysettings really
[02:31] <ahoneybun> hell there thing only works really on GSM phones
[02:32] <manchicken_> They're buried in apps.
[02:32] <ahoneybun> ?
[02:32] <manchicken_> The gestures aren't terribly intuitive. I suspect they're going to have a demo mode at first, similar to what Android has, but it took a lot of futzing to find it.
[02:33] <ahoneybun> yea a bit odd
[02:33] <manchicken_> If you swipe left to center and then tap the Ubuntu logo, then swipe from the right to center, scroll down, you'll find settings.
[02:33] <ahoneybun> tbh I like the look of jolla
[02:33] <manchicken_> Yeah, but won't it only run on those lumia derivatives?
[02:34] <ahoneybun> i have no idea
[02:34] <ahoneybun> Just like it lol
[02:34] <manchicken_> It looks nice, and it is Qt.
[02:38] <manchicken_> I'm glad I am keeping my S3, it lets me play with things without so much worry :)
[02:42] <ahoneybun> what carrier?
[02:44] <manchicken_> At&t
[02:44] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:49] <manchicken_> ?
[02:50] <ahoneybun> I have verzion
[03:15] <manchicken_> Gotcha.
[03:15] <manchicken_> The whole CDMA/GSM nonsense is just that.
[03:17] <manchicken_> While there are technical trade-offs for both technologies, I can't help but feel like these devices are only partial to a specific technology to prevent people from switching.
[03:20] <ahoneybun> manchicken_: way to make more money for everyone but the users
[03:36] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: You have no idea (or maybe you do) how much easier your stuff made my life.
[03:57] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: I have a patch for QApt, I added your dup check.
[03:58] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: I'm going to push it to my github, it's pretty simple.
[04:05] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: It's nothing spectacular, but it's a dup check: https://github.com/manchicken/libqapt/commit/f534f1b8eec83b44af261ccd88a5975c782630e9
[05:01] <manchicken_> Grumble... I can't get QApt to write the changes... weaksauce.
[05:02] <manchicken_> I think it's because it's using dbus to write the file, and I have no earthly idea how to actually use dbus.
[05:26] <manchicken_> Anybody know much about dbus?
[05:33] <ScottK> apachelogger knows.
[05:34] <ScottK> He knows everything.
[05:35] <manchicken_> But is he here?
[05:35] <manchicken_> I know he could help, it's his code what's breaking :)
[05:44] <ScottK> He's in +0100 or +0200 or so, so it's possible.
[06:08] <soee> good morning
[06:08] <manchicken_> Hiya
[08:46] <Mamarok> hi everyone, could you guys have a look at bugs https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321972 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321968
[08:46] <Mamarok> thisd seems to be Ubuntu specific, libgdk doing something very weird there
[08:55] <Mamarok> looks really serious
[09:11] <smartboyhw> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libamarokshared.so.1 needed by debian/amarok/usr/lib/libamaroklib.so.1.0.0 (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[09:11] <smartboyhw> No RPATH!!?!?!?!
[09:12] <yofel> we usually don't use an rpath in the archive I think
[09:12] <yofel> but that's not the point of that error
[09:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:22] <apachelogger> "I actually had this problem with an update from 'raring-proposed', but I reverted the updates and removed that repo, it wouldn't be nice to remove 'raring-updates' though!"
[09:22] <apachelogger> of for crying out loud
[09:23] <yofel> "A new version of Kubuntu is available" - wtf is up with that release upgrader
[09:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna broke it again? :P
[09:23] <yofel> dunno, this is raring
[09:23] <apachelogger> yofel: which updates have recently landed in raring-updates?
[09:23] <yofel> what's the issue even?
[09:23] <apachelogger> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2157427
[09:24] <Riddell> it should only show if the meta file on changelogs.ubuntu.com has got a new version added
[09:24] <yofel> I did get an X update today
[09:24] <apachelogger> well
[09:24] <apachelogger> 1 week ago
[09:25] <yofel> but now I'm trying to downgrade mesa to see if it'll fix this: http://paste.kde.org/789662
[09:25] <yofel> so much for reliable drivers/mesa in ubuntu
[09:26] <yofel> bug 1178843 is also about kdevelop not working
[09:26] <yofel> FWIW, kdevelop does run here
[09:28] <apachelogger> .4 landed on monday?
[09:29] <apachelogger> or did it land in proposed
[09:29] <apachelogger> this is all very confusing
[09:29] <yofel> if you mean mesa, that's in proposed
[09:29] <yofel> let me try that actually
[09:30] <apachelogger> 2013-05-11
[09:30] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:30] <apachelogger> I think the problem is envrionmental
[09:31] <apachelogger> if it occured as early as May this is really weird
[09:31] <yofel> don't ask me, I'm totally clueless what those X window errors even are
[09:31] <yofel> I only know something went wrong in X
[09:31] <apachelogger> hm
[09:32] <apachelogger> gtk...
[09:35] <yofel> fuuuun
[09:36] <yofel> that intel/mesa crash is triggered by me trying to disable VSync
[09:37] <yofel> I do wonder why I can't use XRender though o.O
[09:40] <yofel> wait what
[09:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, RPATHs usually appear to me:P
[09:40] <yofel> I can disable VSync when using OpenGL 2.0 or 1.2, but with 3.1 it crashes
[09:53] <Riddell> From: Kubuntu Ninjas <noreply@launchpad.net>                                                                                                                 
[09:53] <Riddell> Subject: didrocks deactivated by didrocks                                                                                                                    
[09:54] <Riddell> didrock's doesn't love us any more :(
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heck.......:(
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it makes sense though, isn't didrocks now at Unity dev?
[09:58] <Riddell> he always has been
[09:59] <Riddell> he just visited us briefly to compare how we work
[09:59] <Riddell> which got him a lot of respect in my book
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Great, this is the first time I am able to debuild amarok successfully!
[09:59] <smartboyhw> And E: amarok: non-standard-toplevel-dir debian/
[09:59] <smartboyhw> !?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[10:00] <yofel> I think you somehow got the debian/foo folders into the binary package
[10:00] <yofel> which shouldn't happen
[10:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah that
[10:04] <smartboyhw> got it
[10:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, there is an icons dir in there it seems
[10:04] <smartboyhw> Which is included in the package
[10:06] <smartboyhw> yofel,  but that dir was included also in 2.7.1
[10:06] <smartboyhw> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/amarok/saucy/view/head:/debian/amarok.install
[10:09] <soee> yofel, did you read my message yesterday ? i tested 4.10.5 
[10:09] <soee> you asked for it testers
[10:13] <smartboyhw> soee, how's it?
[10:13] <soee> smartboyhw, all fine
[10:13] <smartboyhw> soee, GREAT
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Hopefully, we can get 4.10.5 in raring-proposed soon
[10:14]  * smartboyhw removes the 4.10.4 bits
[10:14] <smartboyhw> Ah, I get it.
[10:17] <tsdgeos> guys any reason l10n in sayucy is still 4.10.80 ?
[10:18] <smartboyhw> tsdgeos, :O
[10:19] <Riddell> tsdgeos: no reason except our own absentmindedness, I'll fix today, thanks for the poke
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Meh...;P
[10:19] <Riddell> unless smartboyhw is volunteering? :)
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm doing amarok here.
[10:19] <smartboyhw> I can do it later but
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Let me finish this first
[10:19] <Riddell> it just needs lots of bandwidth, an ec2 might help
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well ec2 then:P
[10:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ubuntu@ec2-54-227-97-38.compute-1.amazonaws.com  has access to you now
[10:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun and me were using it for partitionmanager
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok
[10:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh wait, you will do the upload right?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> good, I can't even branch it
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Permission denied (again0
[10:32]  * smartboyhw doesn't understand how come bzr needs ssh access for branching
[10:44] <smartboyhw> W: amarok source: unknown-field-in-dsc debian-vcs-browser
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Like, who did this?:P
[10:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I can upload from the ec2 if you want
[10:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure, but I can'tbranch
[10:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what are you trying to do?
[10:53] <yofel> soee: yes, thanks!
[10:55] <yofel> Riddell: btw. I saw you updated the language-pack branch for 4.10.80, and special reason for that? (As I usually don't touch it)
[10:56] <yofel> s/and/any/
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel: I didn't check if it was needed I just thought it was a good idea to update it at the start of a new SC release, if there's changed languages
[10:56] <yofel> oh, good point
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, branch the kubuntu-automation branch?
[11:11] <Riddell> >rm -r .bazaar/
[11:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: try now, I removed by bazaar settings
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what script is used? calligra-l10n-package?
[11:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for SC?
[11:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yea
[11:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wah!
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Let me finish amarok first then, seems the l10n process is complicated.
[11:16] <smartboyhw> And also, what are the dependencies for a -dev package?
[11:16]  * smartboyhw thinks he needs a -dev package for amarok
[11:18]  * smartboyhw thinks he should rather copy from elsewhere
[11:19] <Riddell> there's nothing that builds against amarok
[11:19] <Riddell> so don't package a -dev
[11:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh.
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Hmm, only copyright left to do.
[11:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, how did you use grep to find about copyright info of each discrete file?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: is panda postponed or abandoned?
[11:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: somethin like: licensecheck -r * | grep "LGPL (v2 or later)" | cut -f 1 -d \: | xargs grep Copyright
[11:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, great
[11:31] <smartboyhw> What's the command to add info to patches?
[11:31] <yofel> first grep filters files by license, second one searches in those files
[11:31] <yofel> there is one?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, I think so, I did use it before
[11:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: abandoned until I can work out how to get NAT working on this router
[11:32] <smartboyhw> !quilt
[11:32] <Riddell> hmm, not NAT, port forwarding
[11:32] <smartboyhw> :O :O :O :O ;O
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do you know?
[11:32]  * yofel usually edits the patch by hand to add metadata at the top
[11:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: add info to patches?  emacs isn't it?
[11:33] <apachelogger> Mamarok: thanks for pointing it out, I doubt it has anything to do with amarok in particular though, seem to me like a combination of qt-gtk, oxygen-gtk and possibly other stuff causes xerrors that gdk considers fatal; that's just a random guess though, I have yet to manage to reproduce it and complete envrionment information is only available in some random launchpad bug :S
[11:33] <apachelogger> put it on my todo though
[11:34] <apachelogger> i.e. I do strongly believe this has limited impact
[11:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you going to be at akademy?
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Hmm, amarok's debian/copyright looks not like the normal way:P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Not really um, debian format.
[12:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, Riddell what should I do about these then?
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Rewrite the ENTIRE thing? 
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the editor at your ec2, how do I save a file?
[14:24] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: You  up/
[14:28] <tsdgeos> smartboyhw: use google ;.-)
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: mornin'
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sadly, no
[14:35] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: When I QApt::SourcesList->save(), it doesn't seem to save.
[14:35] <manchicken> I suspect it's a dbus authentication issue caused by my chroot setup.
[14:35] <manchicken> I'm not quite sure how to fix this.
[14:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: in emacs? control-x control-s
[14:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: there's no requirement to change copyright files to dep-5 just leave it
[14:36] <Riddell> "Jonathan Thomas (echidnaman) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team" yay JontheEchidna still loves us!
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> :)
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: yeah, you'd need a policykit instance running inside the chroot
[14:39] <manchicken> how do I get that running? I have never used dbus or policykit before.
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Wb JontheEchidna :)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, alright
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: I've not tried to get it running inside a chroot before, but I'd imagine you'd have to install polkit-kde-1 and run /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1
[14:41] <smartboyhw> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common/.bzr/branch/lock): Tr
[14:41] <smartboyhw> ossible: http does not support mkdir() 
[14:41] <smartboyhw> What the hell is that?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, now I can't push....
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: because it's on an http checkout
[14:43] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Something's still missing, it bombed.
[14:43] <manchicken> ** (process:31381): CRITICAL **: polkit_agent_listener_register_with_options: assertion 'POLKIT_IS_SUBJECT (subject)' failed
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :O
[14:43] <smartboyhw> What does that mean?
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: to push you'd need an sftp checkout and your ssh keys
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Uh god.
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Any good method to copy the ssh keys over?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> And to checkout using sftp?
[14:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: scp but make sure you kick me off the server first
[14:44] <Riddell> no need for a fresh checkout, just bzr push lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd will also need to be running as root if it's not already
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to kick again?
[14:48] <smartboyhw> I think someone should write an EC2 guide.
[14:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: kill me bash session
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how?
[14:48] <yofel> why don't you just edit kde-10n-common locally, push, and then update on the ec2?
[14:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah, might be better
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Pushed
[14:52] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I got that running, and the installer is giving me fewer errors, but it's still not saving the file.
[14:52] <manchicken> I'm gonna debug the save.
[14:53] <manchicken> I think I found what dbus would be calling to save the file.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> yofel, Riddell Run debian/build-l10n.sh  it doesn't exist!
[14:54] <Riddell> ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-E2-03:~/kde-l10n-common>ls debian/build-l10n.sh 
[14:54] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes it does
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah there
[14:55] <yofel> ^^
[14:56]  * smartboyhw decides to be a fool by running the script LOCALLY:P
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Yes!
[14:57] <yofel> that should still have worked, though it might've taken a while ^^
[14:57] <smartboyhw> It's now downloading -de
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Not bad, average 450 kB/s
[15:01] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun, how did you get on?
[15:02] <ahoneybun> ?
[15:02] <ahoneybun> what?
[15:03] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:03] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, it basically means how are you doing
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, teach me some English customs plz.....
[15:03] <ahoneybun> lol
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Hmm, now at -nl alreadyu
[15:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you'd need to ask an English person
[15:04] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how did you get on with the merge?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, any English person here/
[15:04] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:05] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I left it where you had it..
[15:05] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:05] <ahoneybun> was a bit lost still 
[15:05] <ahoneybun> but thats ok
[15:07] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: I'm not too happy with Sony about my PS Vita
[15:08] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, lol
[15:09] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: I have to use a program from them to add conten
[15:09] <ahoneybun> t
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel if you want to review this possible piece of mess, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/amarok_2.7.90-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.dsc
[15:17] <yofel> is that in bzr? 
[15:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, not yet, I want you guys to review before I put all these changes into bzr
[15:17]  * yofel usually reviews from bzr
[15:17] <smartboyhw> I don't want to mess up bzr just yet.
[15:17] <yofel> just make it UNRELEASED
[15:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, well here's a diff https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/amarok_2%3A2.7.1-0ubuntu3_2%3A2.7.90-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.diff.gz
[15:18] <ahoneybun> did anyone get vm's ext pack working to use ext usb 2.0?
[15:21] <agateau> xnox: ping
[15:22] <xnox> hola
[15:25] <agateau> xnox: hi, last time we discussed ubiquity, I said I did not like how all frontends were defined in the same files.
[15:25] <agateau> xnox: I played a bit with this, and have come up with a way to define them in different files, I wonder if this is something you would be interested in
[15:26] <xnox> agateau: make a merge proposal and/or email ubuntu-installer@ i'm not the only person on the team in charge of ubiquity.
[15:26] <xnox> agateau: a change like that should have a quick discussion. but from my point of view should be ok.
[15:27] <xnox> agateau: given that you will be happy to unwind / decouple existing ones =)
[15:27] <agateau> xnox: ok, I have only done the work for language so far, I wanted to get some feedback before I split them all
[15:27] <xnox> agateau: i'm not at all sure how that will affect debconf-frontend as that is closely coupled with shared logic between gtk/kde frontends.
[15:28] <xnox> agateau: sure, post that language bit as a merge proposal or a patch to ubuntu-installer, as a proof of concept.
[15:28] <agateau> xnox: ok, will do
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm since I'm now running script locally how do I suppose to get you upload the packages?
[15:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: umm you can't if they're on your machine
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damnit:P
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Really, no method at all?
[15:35] <yofel> not without him having ssh access to your system
[15:35] <yofel> (that was the point of the ec2)
[15:35] <smartboyhw> ................
[15:35] <yofel> you can ofc. sftp all packages to the ec2
[15:36] <yofel> though just re-running the script there would probably be faster
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Em, someone give me the ec2 link, I shut it down already...
[15:40] <Riddell> ubuntu@ec2-54-227-97-38.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: 
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh, can you turn it back on?
[15:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh no if you killed it then it's dead
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :O
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Give me another link then, I'll sftp the files
[15:42] <Riddell> starting one up now
[15:42] <manchicken> Argh, qDebug messages aren't showing up now. Fun :)
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Sigh, no upload access:(, I need to work harder
[15:46] <smartboyhw> And more accurate
[15:46] <smartboyhw> (the latter is the most important0
[15:46] <ScottK> It is.
[15:47] <ScottK> That was a deeply ironic moment to miss the shift key.
[15:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ubuntu@ec2-54-235-33-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[15:47] <smartboyhw> ScottK, LOL
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, copying
[15:52] <Riddell> hum, I wonder what's wrong with these kdepim compiles I just put up https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=kdepim&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[15:52] <Riddell> boost not installing?
[15:52] <Riddell> ug one I uploaded to saucy, that's not right
[15:54] <yofel> hm, that looks like kolabxml depending on unversioned boost which pulls in the wrong boost version
[15:54] <yofel> 1.46 not 1.48
[15:55] <yofel>   * Add kubuntu_access_control.diff and kubuntu_no_crash_without_kolab.diff
[15:55] <yofel>     requested by kubuntu_no_crash_without_kolab.diff
[15:55] <yofel> o.O
[15:55] <yofel> c&p error? ^^
[15:56] <Riddell> meh yes, should be Christian Mollekopf <mollekopf@kolabsys.c om>
[15:57] <yofel> and please at least testbuild before uploading to the backports :S
[15:57] <jono_> Riddell, ScottK I sent over an email with the call in details btw
[15:57] <jono_> I am about to bring up the bridge
[15:57] <ScottK> Got it.
[15:57] <jono_> in a min
[15:57] <jono_> thanks
[15:58] <smartboyhw> o.O
[15:59] <Riddell> jono_: got in, calling in
[16:00] <jono_> ScottK, Riddell bridge is up
[16:00] <smartboyhw> Oh good, the Kubuntu Mir Summit:P
[16:01] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I don't think the dbus call is even making it through... I'm gonna have to troubleshoot this again later. What time are you usually on? It would be much easier to do this with you online :)
[16:01] <jono_> smartboyhw, lol, not quite :-)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> jono_, :-)
[16:03] <smartboyhw> Heck, running the script may be better. Riddell you run it, the things are up in bzr already
[16:04] <smartboyhw> I need to sleep
[16:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will initialize the script maybe
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and plz fix the /etc/apt/sources.list in the ec2 first (I will do it maybe)
[16:07] <Riddell> go ahead
[16:09] <manchicken> So kubuntu-debug-installer has code to add and save repos for debug symbols in there, but for some reason it isn't saving. I have a three hour drive ahead of me, so I'll get back onto this later.
[16:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, plz go into the ec2 and bzr the two branches and run the script, I REALLY HAVE TO BE ASLEEP
[16:13] <Riddell> busy
[16:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, meh?
[16:24] <agateau> xnox: posted here https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/split-plugins/+merge/173241
[16:25] <xnox> agateau: yeah, noticed. Should have requested the default reviewer.... ubuntu-installer team, instead of just me.
[16:25] <xnox> agateau: requested from the team now.
[16:25] <agateau> oh ok, thanks
[16:44] <Peace-> Riddell: is there a way to install kubuntu without do the all isntallation process ? i mean something like "dd copy stuff"  into the drive 
[16:44] <Peace-> :D
[16:58] <Riddell> Peace-: not for one install, you can use the oem installer to do that but that needs more than one hard disk etc
[16:58] <Riddell> Peace-: but a live cd install mostly is just copying everything to a hard disk then doing the setup needed to make it boot
[17:16] <cmollekopf> Riddell: ping
[17:16] <Peace-> Riddell: ok thank you i will try
[17:17] <Riddell> hi cmollekopf
[17:17] <Riddell> cmollekopf: just e-mailing
[17:17] <cmollekopf> hey
[17:17] <Riddell> cmollekopf: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=kdepim&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[17:17] <cmollekopf> ok, perfect
[17:17] <Riddell> cmollekopf: compiling away now, I'm aboue to go out so if it fails or something isn't fixed then ping anyone else here
[17:18] <Riddell> typing !ninjas pings useful people :)
[17:18] <cmollekopf> =) excellent
[17:18] <cmollekopf> thanks
[17:19] <Riddell> ooh that's not a great link to give you, that's the delete packages page
[17:19] <Riddell> better: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=kdepim&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=precise
[17:29] <Riddell> ninjas: cmollekopf needs kdepim-runtime_4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu12.04~ppa4 and kdepim - 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu12.04~ppa3 built in kubuntu-ppa/backports, if it breaks please fix,it's for a nice kubuntu project
[17:29]  * Riddell out
[17:40]  * yofel goes fixing kdepim-runtime
[17:44] <yofel> k, only needs a retry
[18:02] <Mamarok> folks, this is getting increasingly serious, we now have people reporting problems on an hourly notice
[18:03] <Mamarok> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=gdk_x_error&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDSINFO&bug_severity=crash&list_id=697588
[18:09]  * yofel tries to reproduce that in a VM
[18:17] <Mamarok> well, all people who have reported that up until now were using other things than just plain KDE
[18:17] <Mamarok> one guy was using "Gnome classic"
[18:17] <yofel> yeah, I saw a post from unity so I'm making an ubuntu vm too
[19:52] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I need some ideas for the Installation pages
[19:53] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Let me finish watching this movie and I'll think about it.
[19:53] <ahoneybun> lordievader: k
[20:06] <yofel> *sigh*
[20:06] <yofel> at least I can reliably reproduce that X error in a fresh installed Unity vm with kile
[20:09] <yofel> uh, why doesn't kile have any debugging symbols in raring @_@
[20:22] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What is it exactly that you are looking for?
[20:25] <lordievader> ahoneybun: In the disk setup the options for guided are those hypothetical? Also Guided can be used with more than onde disk ;)
[20:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:26] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installation/DiskSetup
[20:27] <lordievader> ahoneybun: That is where I'm looking right now ;)
[20:27] <ahoneybun> ok 
[20:27] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The line about Side-by-side is kind of vague.
[20:27] <ahoneybun> oh can you improve it?
[20:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Do you remember how the option was called? Haven't installed Kubuntu where Windows was already present in a long time.
[20:28] <ahoneybun> dual boot?
[20:29] <yofel> apachelogger: what am I looking for? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847919/
[20:29] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ubuntu calls the option "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows 7": http://askubuntu.com/questions/194457/installing-ubuntu-os-on-ssd-and-install-home-on-other-hdd
[20:31] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:31] <lordievader> But I don't remember how Kubuntu calls it.
[20:32] <lordievader> Hmm, oh well I'll boot a live-usb.
[20:32] <yofel> apachelogger: full bt http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847926/
[20:33] <shadeslayer_> hi
[20:33] <shadeslayer_> got my visa for Akademy
[20:33] <lordievader> Hey shadeslayer_ 
[20:33] <yofel> \o/
[20:34] <shadeslayer_> so, yofel gets his wifi dongle back and apachelogger gets snuggles
[20:34] <yofel> hehe
[20:35] <shadeslayer_> anything interesting happen today?
[20:37] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Well thats a bummer, its called 'Guided - resize SCSI1(0,0,0), partition #2 (sda) and use freed space'. Nothing really fancy...
[20:37] <ahoneybun> dual booting is the main word I believe
[20:37] <yofel> shadeslayer_: want to debug X BadWindow errors?
[20:38] <shadeslayer_> heh
[20:38] <lordievader> ahoneybun: True but I was talking about how ubiquity calls it for the disk setup stage.
[20:41] <yofel> shadeslayer_: this is not funny if it makes be read xlib documentation -.-
[20:41] <yofel> s/be/me
[20:41] <yofel> apachelogger: btw. kubotu is down after today's freenode service mess
[20:41]  * shadeslayer_ thought yofel was joking
[20:41] <shadeslayer_> and I'm too tired today -.-
[20:42] <yofel> I wish I were, but it seems like something's really broken with X + KDE apps + unity/gnome
[20:43] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ok made a couple of changes, could you take a look.
[20:44] <ahoneybun> sure
[20:53] <ahoneybun> I don't see anything different
[20:55] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I added the resize bullet, and rewrote the part about dual-boot.
[20:55] <ahoneybun> I see the bullets
[20:56] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Edit the page, the commented line about dual-boot is the old stuff.
[20:57] <ahoneybun> but the installer automatically resizes when it sees another OS
[20:58] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Only when you select that option...
[20:58] <ahoneybun> not with 13.04 installer I think
[20:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Just booted the 13.04 installer. Got the choice of what I wanted to do.
[21:00] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:00] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Would be a regression if it simply skipped the step and selected resize.
[21:01] <ahoneybun> no it did not skip the step, it just would show what the resizing would do
[21:01] <lordievader> ahoneybun: True, it does.
[21:05] <ahoneybun> thats what I mean
[21:05] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ah ok, so we are on the same line?
[21:06] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:06] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ok, good :)
[21:07] <ahoneybun> yep
[21:14] <yofel> kile crash is lp 1195007 too btw.