=== butters is now known as butters_x9x9 [01:38] is it normal for a dist upgrade message to pop up and ask for a password but then do nothing [01:38] or at least not visually show anything [01:38] how am i suppose to know if it is running? [01:43] anyone know? === Freejack is now known as Freejack_ === Inoperable is now known as Inoperable_AWY [01:54] goddard: what version are you on? === mkv is now known as m4v === chalcedny` is now known as chalcedny === viv`d is now known as vivid === DarthFrog is now known as Darthfrog === claydoh_ is now known as Guest84122 === Tm_T is now known as Guest51964 === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson === moris is now known as Moris_Co [09:13] Good morning. === ani_2394 is now known as anisha23 === Inoperable is now known as Inoperable_AWY === Inoperable_AWY is now known as Inoperable === Inoperable is now known as Inoperable_AWY === Inoperable_AWY is now known as Inoperable === max is now known as Guest81987 [10:19] hi all [10:22] Hey miroslav_ === Inoperable is now known as Inoperable_AWY === Inoperable_AWY is now known as Inoperable === Inoperable is now known as Inoperable_AWY === Guest81987 is now known as Max_tmn [10:43] hi to all [10:44] how can i have animated wallpaper in kubuntu 12.04? [10:44] Hey Costeelation [10:44] hey bro :) [10:47] lordievader: you know how have animated wallpapers? [10:48] i was trying to install dreamdesktop but i cant, i try reporting a bug to the creators [10:49] Costeelation: There is a package somewhere with a couple of animated wallpaper, but I forgot what package it was. Let me look it up. [10:49] thank youu [10:51] Costeelation: I thought it was plasma-wallpapers-addons. [10:52] ok i am installing it :D [10:52] and other thing, you remember the name of the the java plugin for firefox? [10:52] Costeelation: I have a feeling it is not really what you are looking for though. [10:53] Costeelation: Phew no, sorry. [10:55] oh well i remeber it, icedtea7-plugin :D [11:30] Hiyas all [11:36] Isn't there a tool in the repos to conveniently tweak package dependencies? Concretely I want to remove akonadi-server's hard dependency of akonadi-backend-mysql. === Inoperable_AWY is now known as Inoperable === Inoperable is now known as Inoperable_AWY === Inoperable_AWY is now known as Inoperable === Inoperable is now known as Inoperable_AWY === Inoperable_AWY is now known as Inoperable === ani_2394 is now known as anisha23 [12:46] hello [12:46] I love you guys [12:46] Kubuntu 13.10 is awesome :> [13:28] let me try another thing... [13:29] nope, that didn't work too :( [13:29] I tried adding my user to the groups pulse and audio [13:31] BluesKaj: the headset is a USB device [13:33] Kenjiro, it's not the heqadset it's the soundcard the headset connects to [13:40] BluesKaj: it is a USB headset, so it is its own soundcard, right? [13:41] it doesn't use the onboard soundcard, for example [13:41] if I use "aplay -l" it shows me: [13:41] card 1: LX3000 [Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] [13:41] card 0 is the onboard Intel, etc === Guest5458 is now known as Mamarok [13:52] can you help [13:52] qmake: could not find a Qt installation of '' === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [13:55] Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: quick qml [13:59] cheers, [13:59] Kenjiro, sudo gstreamer-properties, a GUI will open. After configuring, a reboot may be in order [13:59] I have a noob question, maybe someone is keen to answer it .. [14:00] this will give a gui to configure your headset [14:00] Kenjiro,^ [14:00] rumpl: jsut say your question and see if people reply [14:01] Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: quick qml , which packages do I need? [14:02] I installed Kubuntu yesterday and today there are some updates, now the updater ask for a autorisation password, but the Pass entered during install does not work for this requirement [14:02] any work around ? [14:03] rumpl: did it contain strange charachters? [14:03] rumpl: you should have a user password that should somewaht be able to defien the root password wwhich is needed for updates. you can do updates manually in command line terminal [14:03] no [14:03] rumpl: so, do you want to reset the password? [14:04] rumpl: to assign the password to the root, you type: sudo passwd root [14:04] if possible, yes [14:04] rumpl: of course its possible =) === Guest51964 is now known as Tm_T [14:04] rumpl: boot into recovery mode, and do what e8hffff said ;X [14:04] gotwig, perhaps you should stick with your questions in kde , crossposting is frowned upon [14:05] rumpl: your user password should work for prompted graphical password entries though [14:05] BluesKaj: keep k00l.. [14:05] !crosspost | gotwig [14:05] gotwig: Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support. [14:06] sudo... etc ask only for a pass and its a dead circle.... so I try to boot in secure mode [14:10] how can I get qtquick 2.0 in ubuntu [14:11] do I have to use PPA? [14:11] gotwig: have you looked into the ubuntu sdk? since they are planning on using qtq2 [14:12] BluesKaj: let me try that. Sorry for the delay. Was checking some problems on 3 servers :( [14:13] e8hffff: ubuntu-sdk is already in multiverse/universe [14:13] what is the easiest way to get all the dependencies of a qmake project [14:14] I am installing gstreamer-tools [14:14] hmmm gstreamer-properties is not there. :( [14:16] Kenjiro, run, sudo gstreamer-properties in the terminal [14:18] BluesKaj: it says the command is not found [14:19] sudo: gstreamer-properties: command not found [14:19] so... didnt work; password unchaned due to authentification tocken error [14:19] so I am trying to find which package must be installed to have it :( [14:19] cant even log into my own wifi due to KDE wallet [14:20] no : after sudo [14:20] Kenjiro, ^ [14:23] Kenjiro, bummer , does lsusb show the headset ? [14:23] sure thing [14:23] Bus 007 Device 003: ID 045e:070f Microsoft Corp. [14:23] as I said, it works on dragonplayer [14:23] but doesn't work on any browser, or mplayer, or vlc [14:24] ok would you like to make it the default ? [14:24] and I typed "sudo gstreamer-properties", the command is not found [14:24] BluesKaj: that's the idea, having it as default [14:24] I even set that on the multimedia section of system settings (KDE) [14:25] Kenjiro, yes , the gstreamer-prorperties is no longera valid command , unfortunately [14:25] I believe that's why it is working for dragonplayer, which relies on KDE [14:25] BluesKaj: ok ;) [14:25] I can live with that *grin* [14:26] it would be great to find what the kernel module driver name is for the headset, snd.nameof_driver [14:26] any other idea how to fix ? [14:29] Kenjiro, could you pastebin the output of cat /proc/asound/modules [14:30] hold on [14:30] BluesKaj: http://pastebin.ca/2418349 [14:31] and just in case, I updated that with the output of "aplay -l" [14:32] woops, the URL changed ;) [14:32] http://pastebin.ca/2418351 <-- this one === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 [14:35] Kenjiro, ok sudo modprobe snd_usb_audio , then add this line to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, options snd_usb_audio index=0 , then below that, options snd_hda_intel index=1 , save the file and reboot [14:36] this should solididfy the default sound setup on your pc [14:36] err solidify, Kenjiro [14:37] let me try it, hold on [14:39] hi all, thanks for everybody involved in getting 4.10.5 to us :) [14:40] let's reboot and see what happens ;) [14:40] BluesKaj: thanks for now. BRB [14:46] BluesKaj: hi again [14:46] ok, now I typed "aplay -l" and the headset is the default "sound card" [14:47] ok , i shoulkd have mentioned to setup the headset in sytem settings>multimedia>phonon >device prefrence , Kenjiro [14:48] and the outputs in the phonon device hardware tab as well === gn is now known as seattlegaucho [14:50] ok , Kenjiro I have some things to do for an hr or so ...hope it all works now , if not install pavucontrol , it usually helps as well , it's the pulseaudio GUI [14:53] BluesKaj: thanks for now. [14:54] BluesKaj: I had already set audio stuff on phonon (system settings). There it is working [14:55] on mplayer or vlc... no way :( [14:55] let me try on a browser === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [14:56] BluesKaj: yep, not working there too :( === promulo_ is now known as promulo [15:05] don't know if any codecs could be missing :( [15:05] any idea how to install qt quick 2.0 in ubuntu [15:06] BluesKaj: in fact... I tried playing an mp3 file with mplayer and it complained about missing mpg123 codec [15:09] Kenjiro: did you check a box about installing third party things during the installation> === lenny is now known as Guest75308 [15:22] hi [15:23] 32bit 12.04 LTS, machine is upgraded to 8GB RAM, so I need either -pae or go 64 bit. the latter would be nice of course, question is: any easy way to do it or need a full reinst? [15:27] DexterF: if you want to move from 32 to 64bit, you need a reinstall. for -pae you can just install linux-generic-pae and linux-headers-generic-pae [15:28] tsimpson: -pae viable or has it tripwires? [15:29] as long as your CPU supports PAE (grep -i pae /proc/cpuinfo), it just works [15:33] DexterF: the fact that all kernels from 12.10 onwards are PAE enabled should give you some assurance that it "just works" (TM) [15:35] gotwig: #ubuntu? this is #kubuntu? [15:36] Anyways I think your question is better served by #qt, qtquick isn't a special package AFAIK [15:37] qtquick 2 is part of Qt 5 [15:40] gotwig: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ tells you how to get Qt 5 as well as the Ubuntu SDK (if you want it) [15:45] tsimpson: that makes my day a lot easier, tis a 12.04 lts tho :) ill just add that -pae kernel [15:57] tsimpson: thanks [15:57] tsimpson: it worked for me, I had to install the qt5 declarative [15:58] tsimpson: now, I have other problems. I cant play any video file [16:04] hi i cant run any update from any mirror using sudo apt-get update....but i can ping them [16:04] any ideas? [16:06] it just stops here: 0% [Connecting to mirrors.mit.edu (18.7.29.125)] [Connecting to extras.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.33)] [16:29] ahoneybun: I did that [16:30] Kenjiro: so your missing mpg123 [16:31] I did a "dpkkg -l *mpg*", the result was [16:31] ii mpg123 1.14.4-1 amd64 MPEG layer 1/2/3 audio player [16:31] ii libmpg123-0:amd64 1.14.4-1 amd64 MPEG layer 1/2/3 audio decoder (shared library) [16:33] ahoneybun: any hints? [16:34] Kenjiro: sudo apt-get install libmpg123 [16:35] that package doesn't exist on 13.04 repositories [16:35] but I tried installing libmpg123-0, which is already here ;) [16:36] install the mpg123 package then [16:36] it is installed already [16:36] oh [16:36] ;) [16:36] so weird [16:36] weird [16:37] Kenjiro: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras [16:38] installing... [16:40] on a second look... mplayer says it was compiled WITHOUT mpg123 [16:40] so it tries to use ffmpeg [16:41] well... thanks ahoneybun and BluesKaj [16:41] Kenjiro: nothing? [16:42] for now I will have to stop testing it, because now I am accessing the computer remotely, so I won't be able to tell if the sound did work on that headset *LOL* [16:42] oh lol [16:42] I'll check that on monday ;) [16:42] ok [16:44] really thanks for your time and attention ahoneybun and BluesKaj [16:44] Kenjiro: np === pete is now known as Guest17376 [16:46] I was really at a loss, because on my old slackware installation the USB headset worked like a charm. [16:46] So I believed that on Kubuntu it would work as easily [16:47] at least on kubuntu I could install lightworks without problems *LOL* [16:48] I installed aurorae and then uninstalled it. However, now the get new themes, it's not working. Rather than list themes, it's just showing "configuration file not found: 'aurorae.knsrc'" [16:49] Could someone do me a favor and pastebin their ~/.bashrc? I made a mistake and rm'd it :( [16:50] Preferably the stock one, but if it has added bits that fine [16:50] n0yd: http://pastebin.ca/2418398 [16:51] Trel: awesome thank you [16:51] Trel: how familiar are you with bash? [16:52] I have a script I want to run for a motd (for local session and ssh) but I am not sure how to go about doing it. [16:52] Not very. I just have a week old install in which I haven't touched the file [16:52] heh ok [16:53] For what I asked, how can I get KDE's GHNS to point to the default search locaiton? [16:53] im not familiar with that term (ghns) [16:54] I am pretty experience with Linux in general, but I actually just started using KDE a few weeks ago, first time since KDE 3.x === georgelappies_ is now known as georgelappies [16:54] n0yd: it's what loads when you click the "get new decorations" button. [16:54] Something I installed over wrote the location it went to, and now that it's gone, broke it [16:54] oh, get hot new stuff? [16:55] yes [16:55] Ya I have no idea. I havent even changed the look of my install yet, besides changing the way the window borders are displayed a little bit [16:55] Basically moving the titles to the center in grey, and the rest blue [16:56] Yeah, I was just looking through theme options and aurorae broke GHNS lol [16:56] Im just happy with how much more stable KDE seems to be compared to Gnome3, gnome3 you have to add so much to it via extensions and such that it ends up being unstable imho [16:57] I havent had one KDE related crash in the past 3 weeks. That would never happen if I was still on gnome [16:58] Trel: I was trying to add something like this, http://fuzzyslogicblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/ubuntu-dynamic-motd/ [16:58] But local, not just remote ssh [17:00] I have a bunch of old (decrepit) menu entries in my Kickoff launcher. What is the best way to go about cleaning these up? [17:00] in the applications menu? [17:01] lorddelta: can you do what you want by right clicking the kickoff menu, and going to "edit appl,ications"? [17:01] it should [17:02] I can edit everything in the menu via that [17:04] Trel: dang, part of that bashrc screwed me up [17:04] That should be default, what happened? [17:04] Cause I had a modifcation for bash completion for apt-fast [17:04] its alright [17:04] I can just reinstall apt-fast and it should fix it [17:04] I had this issue before [17:04] btw, apt-fast is awesome. Should be a must for all apt-get distros [17:05] It downloads soooo much faster with it. And its a complete wrapper for apt-get [17:07] n0yd: hmm thanks. Is there any automated way of doing it? [17:07] I guess if there isn't it isn't hard to write the script to do so [17:07] Not that I am aware of. Old entries from programs you uninstall via the package manager should be removed automatically [17:07] What exactly are you doing [17:07] or trying to do [17:08] holy cow, I got 205 upgrades just since yesterday [17:08] Well e.g. I have 4 versions of firefox which pop up, when I search it applications, some are very old, invalid entries, e.g. aurora and minefiled [17:08] Gotta love having lots of ppas... [17:09] minefield* [17:09] Oh, that would be cause aurora is a different package than firefox [17:09] But ok [17:09] but that package isn't installed anymore :P [17:09] so no one got an idea how to get this running? https://github.com/nezticle/cutetime I expirience issues with opening any video files [17:09] it should have removed itself [17:09] even ogg does not work [17:09] Did you install it via apt? [17:09] I compiled it sucesfully, no errors [17:09] apt-get autoremove and autoclean are you friends [17:09] n0yd: should have and did are two different things [17:09] Or did you just download the package and extract it? [17:09] n0yd; I can't remember, there is junk on here since 2010 [17:09] you = your [17:10] if you didnt install it (aurora for instance) via a ppa [17:10] its not gonna remove it [17:10] *shrug* FF is one of those packages that sometimes provides their own ppa, and things get shifted around so stuff gets screwed up [17:10] Over time [17:10] packagename for ppa apps [17:10] I'm not blaming anyone [17:11] BluesKaj: I appreciate the tip, I already use both of those. Invaluable indeed. [17:11] If you installed it via apt, it should automatrically remove the menu entry. If you just grabbed a tarball (precompiled or not) and installed it, well then its not gonna automatically remove it [17:12] n0yd: I don't remember what I did. I may well have manually modified the system to include aurora. But that was a long time ago. [17:12] Well regardless, now you know how to edit the menu :) [17:12] Regardless an autoclean script would be a nice addition [17:12] for menus [17:13] Are you good with bash? [17:13] What would be the best way to get a motd to display on local logins? (not just ssh) [17:14] n0yd: yeah I'm ok with bash. And btw, good luck with your updates. 203 updates all at once is bound to break/fix some stuff. [17:14] nah [17:14] I have big updates all the time, nothing should break [17:15] KDE is quite rock solid on my machine. Now if it was gnome3/shell, I would be worried [17:15] I prefer perl/python when it comes to actual scripting though, bash's strength is one-liners, not so much programming [17:15] Cause gnome3 requires so many custom extensions and such just to make the damn thing usable [17:15] O.o [17:16] Why are you in kubuntu then? XD [17:17] lorddelta, he just said he 's on kde [17:17] oh wait I thought you said you were running GNOME3, ignore me [17:17] didn't read everything [17:18] * lorddelta is lacking coffee [17:20] well, all the updates finished quite quick;ly [17:20] Gotta love apt-fast, downloads take no time at all, because it automatically maxes my connection speed [17:21] Which is about 2.5MB/s [17:22] seriously, for people that haven't ever used it. check it out: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/speed-up-apt-get-downloads-with-apt.html [17:22] Its a great addition to anmy debian based system [17:22] And there arent any downsides to it [17:23] n0yd: how often is it maintained? [17:23] its current [17:23] you can look at the git [17:23] Its been around for at least 5 years that I know of [17:23] beware of apt-fast if you have mirror problems [17:23] mirror problems? [17:23] it mucked up my system [17:24] how? [17:24] that makes no sense, at all [17:24] sounds like user error (which is like 99 percent of all problems) [17:24] I think he means issues with things not being on the right server [17:24] n0yd: developers/package maintainers are users too [17:24] that makes no sense [17:24] n0yd, maybe not to you but ti happened to me [17:24] right server? [17:25] BluesKaj: you cant even explain what happened or what caused it [17:25] sources, mirrors servers [17:25] Which leads me to believe it had nothing to do with apt-fast [17:25] Yeah, reducing the load of a repo by spreading it to mirrors. [17:25] apt-fast is simply just a wrapper to apt-get [17:25] Bit more than a wrapper [17:25] by the looks of it [17:26] It just uses whatever mirror you already have set by apt-get [17:26] And it adds pipelining basicallyt [17:26] So you can have concurrent connections downloading the same file. So it acts as a download accelerator [17:26] wow [17:26] I finally got it running! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew114XH7-xc&feature=player_embedded [17:26] So if you had mirror problems with apt-fast, you would have had those same issues on apt-get [17:27] my archive mirror went down for some reason , apt-fast broke my system by installing some wrong packages durong an upgrade iirc , it is a while ago now [17:27] Hell, it calls apyt-get for everything after it downloads the files anyway [17:27] BluesKaj: thats not apt-fasts fault [17:27] Sounds like you were using an out of sync mirror because your main mirror went down [17:27] Apt-get wouldve done the same thing. Hell it did. Apt-get is what installs the packages [17:27] n0yd, and why not [17:27] n0yd: that's what BluesKaj said [17:28] sigh... nvm [17:28] apt fast fetrches it thgo [17:28] Apt-fast uses apt-get to install the packages. [17:28] install but not fetch [17:28] BluesKaj: its not apt-fasts fault the mirror was out of sync [17:28] Its doesnt have inteligence [17:28] Iunno [17:28] Apt-get wouldve fetched the SAME thing [17:29] So, as I said from the start, user error [17:29] PEBKAC [17:29] There's a routine get_mirrors in here, looks like it grabs all the mirrors by default; I could see that causing problems? I'm not an apt-get expert though [17:29] lorddelta: that makes no sense [17:29] how [17:29] well put it this way , apt-get never caused me that problem on the same mirror [17:29] BluesKaj: lol [17:29] BluesKaj: mirrorsz get out of sync [17:29] shit happens [17:30] It also is using sed and egrep liberally [17:30] Thats swhy you choose a good solid stable mirror [17:30] lorddelta: and? [17:30] your point? [17:30] lol [17:30] I trust those problems but unless there are test cases, its quite easy to make a mistake [17:30] You are talking about something you have no idea about, but whatevefr [17:30] s/programs/problems/ [17:30] sometimes struff that makes no sense happens ...saame as shit happens ..that's my point [17:30] n0yd: and you aren't giving us time to reply [17:30] n0yd: @ss [17:30] lmao [17:31] BluesKaj: computers dont compensate for user error [17:31] 'n0yd: lmao' <-- @ss [17:31] 'n0yd: your point?' <-- @ss [17:31] lorddelta: am I supposed to be offended? [17:32] No, but you're supposed to attempt civility and discussion [17:32] At least don't use l33tsp34k [17:32] *facepalm* [17:32] idiot [17:32] * lorddelta ignores n0yd [17:32] lorddelta: I did. Until you guys started spewing crap about something you have no idea about, especially since you have never used it [17:32] lorddelta: ignore me all you want. No loss [17:33] n0yd, no matter what ou think , it happened ..just because you say so doesn't make it so . [17:33] * n0yd loves the tough guys behind keyboards [17:33] BluesKaj: I never say it didnt happened [17:33] The core idea of apt-fast is neat, but it doesn't look well tested, its a hack on top of aria2 and apt-get at best [17:33] All I said is that the reasoning you have behind WHY it happened, it absolutely wrong [17:33] If BluesKaj has had problems, I wouldn't trust it [17:33] lorddelta: it doesnt just use aria2 [17:33] And its far from a hackjob [17:33] But keep spewing bullshit claims [17:34] Hell, you didnt even know azbout the application til 5min ago. And now somehow you are a master at it? [17:35] Anyways, use what you want. Im was just making a suggestion to people about a good applicatoion that I find incredibly useful [17:35] Other distros have similar features built into their package managers, and its a shame apt doesnt have it by default [17:35] Pacman has it, and even fedora can have something similar [17:37] n0yd, one last comment , it happened to me there's no denying it , you can say what you want but apt-fast needs to be used carefully , and attention to your sources is the key [17:37] apt-get remove ksplice [17:37] crap [17:37] lol he's still rambling on about that? xD [17:38] BluesKaj: dude, can you not read? [17:38] I never said it didnt happen! [17:38] I just said your reasoning for why IT DID HAPPEN, is absolutely wrong [17:39] And its quite apparent you don't even have a understanding of the lower level happenings in the system to make a diagnosis in the first place. [17:39] let's drop the "discussion" now [17:39] fine, you obviously think you're some kind of expert ...bu you just wait ..be warned that's all I have to say ...dude [17:39] BluesKaj: Far from it [17:39] Hence why I caqme here and asked questions [17:40] Ive been using apt-fast since 2011, no problems [17:40] Well, no problems caused by it rather. Have I had problems? sure [17:40] last time I asked, now I'm telling. drop it [17:40] or continue it elsewhere [17:40] tsimpson: we are havinjg a conversation calm down [17:40] tsimpson: you wanna kickban me, go right ahead [17:41] Its IRC, I really could care less [17:41] some conversation :) [17:41] BluesKaj: indeed [17:41] n0yd: no I don't want to, I just want the channel to be on topic [17:41] what is apt-fast? [17:41] !apt-fast [17:41] utusan: a wrapper for apt-get that allows you to use a download manager (aria or axel) to download the packages must faster [17:42] !info apt-fast [17:42] Package apt-fast does not exist in raring [17:42] duh [17:42] its availablre in ppa [17:42] utusan: I linked to it above. Would you like to me repaste the link? [17:42] http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/speed-up-apt-get-downloads-with-apt.html [17:42] aptitude download is ok with me [17:43] utusan: it depends on the speed of your connection, and what mirror you use and location and such [17:43] utusan: Normally I get like 900-1200KB/s from the best mirror chosen from the mirror tester [17:44] But with apt-fast, it always maxes my connection. Because I have it set to 8 connections [17:44] exactly, how much faster it gets to download x-amounts of bytes? [17:44] So it uses 8 connections to the server to download each package. And I get the max speed available on my connection, which is about 2.5MB/s [17:45] Its like using usenet to download things, it does the same thing. It uses concurrent connections to download the same file, and maxes out your connection [17:46] it's like trying to squeeze 8 cars in a 1-lane road? [17:46] No mods in here? [17:46] not quite lol [17:46] apt-get maxes my connection , but i'm fairly close to the archive [17:46] I cant get any of the servers to give me a steady 2.5MB/s down with only one connection [17:46] There quite a few people in here, it may be time to setup a mod or two... [17:46] If I do 2-3 connections it will though [17:47] lorddelta: what are you complaining about? we are talking. No arguing, nothing [17:47] And its entirely ontopic [17:48] utusan: `I have it set to 8 connections (default is 5) which is overkill, but it doesnt hurt. And I want to make sure my pipe is always fully saturated when downloading updates and such [17:48] It just downloads all the packages using aria or axel (download managers) then calls apt-get and apt takes over [17:49] am sure speed will be just an eigth of what you get for 1 [17:49] apt-get sees that the files are already downloaded, so it skips that part [17:49] utusan: what do you mean? [17:49] (utusan: don't feed the troll, he's been yammering on for 10 minutes now apparently) [17:50] tsimpson: is there a reason this guy is continuing? [17:50] lorddelta: don't bait either [17:50] Does he not realize I am doing nothing wrong? [17:50] tsimpson: bait? I am not trolling [17:50]