[00:00] <luke1_> Thank you
[00:27] <Flustrated> Hi All!  Is there a way to EASILY burn an iso image to a flash drive in Lubuntu?  From what I am seeing in the Lubuntu Software centre nothing there for this purpose
[00:38] <holstein> Flustrated: i use unetbootin
[00:39] <holstein> Flustrated: you can get to it from the software center
[00:39] <Flustrated> ok, and that will let us burn image to usb right?
[00:39] <holstein> Flustrated: i dont know how to answer that, since burning not really what is happening, nor what you want with a USB
[00:40] <holstein> !info unetbooting
[00:40] <holstein> !unetbootin
[00:40] <holstein> Flustrated: maybe it has been removed from 13.04..
[00:56] <ianorlin> wait is it possible to boot from an external hard drive?
[00:57] <holstein> ianorlin: yes
[00:58] <ianorlin> hmm might be able to get an old desktop box working then on an external hard drive since the old hard drive broke
[00:59] <ianorlin> although would the motherboard need to support booting from usb if it is a usb external harddrive
[00:59] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html is what i use to boot legacy or not USB booting hardware to USB or whatever
[00:59] <holstein> ie, things that the motherboard doesnt want to do
[01:28] <ianorlin> wow
[07:27] <K350> I'd to re-install my Lubuntu since it crashed all the time. Now I've a fresh install of 13.04. But the errror appears again. I've no /var/log/messages so I can't locate teh error. I really need some help.
[07:44] <JesseH> What error
[08:41] <rc1992> hi everyone, i'm trying to turn my lubuntu 13.04 into a wifi hotspot, is it possible?
[08:52] <rc1992> ?
[09:42] <ambossarm> moin, I want to install lubuntu at my mothers, but a feature I need is for my mother to be able to login when my screen is logged. The gnome-screensaver is able to start another X-Session, but the normal xscreensaver not. Any idea how to easily solve this?
[10:20] <uzername> Hello, guys. Are someone still here?
[11:14] <Unit193> ambossarm: Xscreensaver has a "New User" button, that doesn't work?
[11:14] <ambossarm> haven't seen this button
[11:15] <Unit193> New Login, rather.
[11:15] <ambossarm> will test it next time when I at my mothers, perhaps I was just stupid
[11:15] <ambossarm> thanks
[11:16] <Unit193> Or you could use gnome-screensaver, whatever works.
[11:16] <ambossarm> I searched using gnome-screensaver and there was only one solution: running gnome-session in lxde
[11:16] <ambossarm> and I am not really sure what it means to run gnome-session
[14:50] <TheSpanishInquis> anyone familiar with open-ssh 'ssh-agent', 'gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh', and their incredibly irritating interaction in lubuntu?
[14:51] <TheSpanishInquis> there are numerous bug reports dating back to 2009... there a couple of workarounds... at one point a patch was submitted to fix the bug, but it is still apparent in my system (installed post patch)
[16:13] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: whats the issue? what bug? have you joined your information on the bug?
[16:13] <TheSpanishInquis> hi
[16:13] <TheSpanishInquis> i have not signed up yet
[16:14] <TheSpanishInquis> so i have not added my info
[16:14] <TheSpanishInquis> also, i am maybe not done diagnosing
[16:15] <TheSpanishInquis> i will explain here first
[16:15] <TheSpanishInquis> acutally i'll find the existing bug reports first
[16:18] <TheSpanishInquis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/841672
[16:18] <TheSpanishInquis> its almost exactly that bug
[16:19] <TheSpanishInquis> my $SSH_AUTH_SOCK is pointing to gnome-keyring-daemon's export on startup
[16:19] <TheSpanishInquis> and for whatever reason, gnome-keyring-daemon is failing hard where openssh works exactly as expected
[16:20] <TheSpanishInquis> i can invoke the working ssh-agent with 'exec ssh-agent bash'
[16:21] <TheSpanishInquis> also, before replacing with ssh-agent, ssh-add fails and succeeds to add my key at the same time
[16:22] <TheSpanishInquis> i've had this problem across multiple lubuntu installations, this installation was installed after a patch was submitted that tried to fix the problem
[16:25] <TheSpanishInquis> the other bug reports are mainly filed under the guise of 'ssh or ssh-add keeps asking for my password'
[16:25] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: you have confirmed that its *only* lubuntu? is it any lxde?
[16:26] <TheSpanishInquis> hmm well
[16:26] <TheSpanishInquis> i tried the other startups
[16:28] <TheSpanishInquis> like... openbox
[16:28] <TheSpanishInquis> to try and put it through another startup sequence
[16:28] <TheSpanishInquis> holstein: i'd have to double check, is it worth it?
[16:29] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: its not an issue im having, so, if you are "worried" about it, and want it to get taken care of, you'll need to get some folks to help you take care of it
[16:29] <TheSpanishInquis> i've tried commenting out different parts of /usr/bin/startlubuntu
[16:29] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: have you tried installing xfce and loading it and trying?
[16:30] <TheSpanishInquis> no, i will give it a go
[16:30] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so it should be a matter of seeing what is missing or different from the same pacakages in the repos
[16:30] <TheSpanishInquis> when i do ssh-add, where is the stdout coming from?
[16:31] <TheSpanishInquis> does it communicate with $SSH_AUTH_SOCK?
[16:31] <TheSpanishInquis> might the problem be caused by the fact i'm doing certificate signed ssh keys? before replacing gnome-keyring with ssh-agent, ssh-add gives a conflicting output "Certificate ... add failed" followed immediately by "Certificate added: ..."
[16:32] <TheSpanishInquis> i have probed the openssh channel for their thoughts... ofc openssh is the superior software and that's all that i gathered from their help ._.
[16:32] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: confirm that.. i would try other servers.. other keys.. i would generate simple examples to use with a server running in virtualbox
[16:35] <TheSpanishInquis> this has been a particularly difficult issue to chase
[16:36] <TheSpanishInquis> you mentioned you do not have this problem... lubuntu or xfce?
[16:48] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: anywhere
[16:48] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: but, that could mean i havent followed the test case.. or i just jump to a workaround
[16:48] <TheSpanishInquis> holstein: haha typical
[16:48] <TheSpanishInquis> yeah
[16:49] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: i think the best thing for the "issue" is for you to join that bug, and report, to the best of your ability, exactly the steps.. and try and rule out other DE's or whatever
[16:49] <TheSpanishInquis> ok
[16:49] <holstein> when you say "lubuntu is doing x".. just confirm that it is lubuntu
[16:49] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: if its upstream somewhere else, it might be easier to get it attention
[16:50] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: otherwise, hang here, or in the #lubuntu-offtopic, and a volunteer will likely offer to try and replicate the error
[16:50] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: i will, when i have time.. though, that would be an afternoon next week
[16:50] <TheSpanishInquis> you tested your environments with unsigned keys?
[16:51] <TheSpanishInquis> unsigned by certificate authority
[16:52] <TheSpanishInquis> i can probably figure this out, i have the time and ability, i've just never gotten so deep into the rabbit hole
[16:52] <TheSpanishInquis> other users are still reporting it as a problem post patch so i also know i'm not alone
[16:53] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: i have only ever used that with my own keys
[16:53] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: and, actually only a few times
[16:54] <TheSpanishInquis> k i'll be thorough in my testing
[16:54] <TheSpanishInquis> once i get a VM up and running >.>
[16:55] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: cheers!
[17:00] <TheSpanishInquis> holstein: i can't run a 64-bit VM, would that matter for testing?
[17:02] <holstein> TheSpanishInquis: might.. i would just do what you can though
[17:04] <TheSpanishInquis> lame, i will do an external install instead
[17:46] <uzername> so, I'm going to ask my question here.
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> All right: ask up!
[17:47] <uzername> I want to install lUbuntu 12.04 to my Asus EEEPC 1025C but cannot complete the instalation
[17:47] <uzername> netbook reboots after choosing installation type.
[17:48] <uzername> I choose to install alongside windows
[17:50] <uzername> My downloaded Iso file is correct. and disk is fine too.
[17:53] <uzername> Uguuu~ And nobody can help me.
[17:54] <uzername> >>>ubuntu/member
[17:54] <uzername> Looks awesome
[17:54] <SonikkuAmerica> !ping
[17:55] <SonikkuAmericaDo> uzername: Sounds like a kernel panic issue.
[17:57] <uzername> this issue is not about UEFI, because sudo parted -l shows Partition Table:msdos
[17:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Do you have a "Designed for Windows 8" sticker on your PC?
[17:59] <uzername> No, I've bought it a year ago with Win 7 starter preinstalled
[17:59] <uzername> Win 8 has not been issued by that time.
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: What's your processor
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> >
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[18:00] <uzername> Intel Atom N2800 1.86 ghz
[18:01] <uzername> with Intel (R) NM10 Express Chipset
[18:02] <uzername> graphics is: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3600 Series
[18:03] <uzername> still again, I'm able to boot with "try lUbuntu without installing" but I cannot install
[18:04] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: Are you using a 32-bit or 64-bit install image?
[18:05] <uzername> I'm using 32-bit install image. I'll write here the exact iso name:
[18:05] <uzername> lubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[18:06] <uzername> this one looks stable and some people have installed lubuntu with it
[18:06] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: You got it from cdimage.u.c right?
[18:06] <uzername> Sorry?
[18:07] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: Or the link on lubuntu.net ?
[18:08] <uzername> from the official site. I've checked hashsums already and they're okay.
[18:08] <uzername> from here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[18:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. Because it's not an LTS I'd recommend you get the 13.04 image, also available from lubuntu.net
[18:09] <uzername> But there are no manuals / recomendations about its working state.
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> What, 13.04's? It was stable as of last April 25
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Besides, Lubuntu is rather new; its first release was 11.10
[18:10] <uzername> here's the link: http://linuxeeepc.blogspot.com/2012/08/lubuntu-on-eeepc-1025c-with-correct.html
[18:11] <uzername> it's told here that 12.10 is not recommended.
[18:11] <uzername> for my netbook
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: That's because Atom processors don't have VT-x
[18:14] <uzername> So? Is there any way to fix that?
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: (HW acceleration)
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: I'd recommend Kubuntu Active actually, but right now there are major non-security-related bugs that make it not a feasible option...
[18:15] <SonikkuAmerica> uzername: (Kubuntu using Plasma Active)
[18:15] <uzername> But I don't need any virtualisation (VT-x) for my netbook! It will not handle virtual machine.
[18:26] <uzername> So, how do you think, is there any chance that it would be possible to install Kubuntu 12.04 ?
[18:27] <holstein> chance? sure
[18:27] <holstein> its free to download and try
[18:28] <uzername> but installation attempts for lUbuntu have failed...
[18:28] <uzername> *lubuntu 12.04
[18:28] <holstein> uzername: 12.04 is not supported anymore
[18:28] <holstein> uzername: lubuntu 12.04 specifically
[18:29] <uzername> Does not matter! I need fully functional linus distro for a specific sets of task.
[18:30] <holstein> uzername: sure.. and you might wnat to start with a supported distro.. such as lubuntu 13.04
[18:30] <holstein> want*
[18:30] <uzername> do kubuntu 12.04, ubuntu 12.04 and lubuntu 12.04 have many differences
[18:30] <uzername> ?
[18:30] <holstein> uzername: yes.. the desktops are different
[18:31] <holstein> uzername: have you tried lubuntu 13.04?
[18:31] <holstein> uzername: what is the issue you are having?
[18:31] <holstein> if you have hardware problems, such as a failing hard drive, *any* os will fail to load
[18:31] <holstein> can you boot the live CD?
[18:31] <uzername> Yes, I can.
[18:31] <holstein> uzername: and what is the issue when installing?
[18:31] <uzername> But I cannot complete installation sequence!
[18:32] <uzername> After choosing type of installation (I choose "install alongside with windows") netbook reboots
[18:33] <holstein> uzername: then, dont choose that
[18:33] <holstein> uzername: manually partition
[18:33] <holstein> uzername: or, wipe the drive.. or install to USB.. or temporarily put in another hard drive.. or clone the windows and try wiping the entire drive with the instal
[18:34] <uzername> No way. I need to save Win 7 Starter. And I'm not that confident to use manual partition...
[18:34] <holstein> uzername: i exaplained above *several* ways to "save" win7
[18:34] <holstein> uzername: you should have that backed up anyway before manipulating the partitions
[18:35] <uzername> Well, I'll show here the initial state of my disk in gparted.
[18:35] <holstein> uzername: if you have no backup for win7, then, its good as gone if you have *any* issue
[18:35] <holstein> uzername: you need to have a way to recover it for when the hard drive *will* fail.. they all do
[18:36] <uzername> It's Windows 7 Starter OEM, it was preinstalled.
[18:36] <holstein> uzername: sure.. and you *will* lose it. its just a matter of when. .so, planning for that failure is not a waste of time
[18:37] <uzername> I have all my working data here, at this big ol' PC
[18:37] <holstein> uzername: and, if you have no way of recovering that win7, or a clone, then its as good as gone
[18:37] <holstein> uzername: any error, which can easliy happen, while resizing that partition can make the win7 be gone...
[18:38] <uzername> brace yourselves, gparted screenshot is coming
[18:38] <holstein> you are saying "i cant mess with the hard drive because im afraid of losing win7".. and im saying "you *will* lose it, and can in this install process, so go ahead and plan for that"
[18:39] <holstein> clone it... or secure the data, and have an installation disk handy
[18:41] <uzername> well, anyway, win 7 starter oem is not that good OS. It's not even possible to change desktop background without hackin' tools.
[18:42] <holstein> "good" is a matter of opinion.. and im just saying, if you want to save it, it needs to be backedup
[18:44] <uzername> does alt+PrintScreen work in Linux?
[18:45] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[18:45] <holstein> taking a screentshot is possible
[18:46] <uzername> I'm trying to take a screenshot and insert the result to graphics editor.
[18:46] <holstein> !screenshot
[18:51] <uzername> here's initial state of my netbook disk.
[18:51] <uzername> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27590640/IMAG0115.jpg
[18:52] <uzername> what can you advice for manual partitioning?
[18:52] <holstein> i'll say this, and state it as fact, though others may not agree.. if you shrink one of those partitions without having planned for losing that data, *all* that data, you are doing it wrong
[18:53] <holstein> uzername: what would i do? i would do what i did.. remove win7, and install linux
[18:54] <holstein> uzername: what have i done? and what can you do? literally anything.. shrink or remove one of those ntfs partitions and install on the empty space.. or install to USB, or in virtualbox.. or whatever
[18:56] <uzername> If the only way to install Linux here is to remove Windows... I'll stay on Windows
[18:56] <uzername> by now.
[18:56] <holstein> its not
[18:56] <holstein> uzername: i never said, nor implied that
[18:56] <holstein> uzername: you saked for advice, and i offered it.. but to be "afraid" of losing windows is to admit to not having a good backup solution
[18:57] <holstein> uzername: i would say the same if you were installing another instance of win7 or win8.. or *whatever*
[18:57] <uzername> Yes, now I see.
[18:58] <holstein> uzername: to mess with partitions on a disk, in *any* way. .for *any* reason.. without a backup.. is not a good idea
[18:58] <uzername> Windows commonly sees another instances of himself and knows how to handle theme.apply
[18:58] <holstein> uzername: and, as i said, and *anyone* else will say, that hard drive *will* fail.. so preparing for this is not a waste of time
[18:58] <uzername> *them
[18:58] <holstein> uzername: im not talking about windows here.. im talking about resizing a partition.. and i dont care who or what does that
[18:59] <holstein> uzername: if you do that in windows, and have no backup, then that is a bad idea
[18:59] <uzername> *will* fail. So, it's inevitable...
[18:59] <holstein> uzername: if you do that in linux, and have no backup.. that is a bad idea
[19:00] <holstein> uzername: *all* hard drives fail.. so, to plan for this is a good idea.. and, will help you if you happen to break the current install of windows.. which could happen doing *anything* to that partition.. or with normal wear and tear on the hardware
[19:01] <holstein> otherwise.. use gparted from a live CD, or a windows tool to free up some space on that hard drive, and install
[19:01] <uzername> thanks for warning me. I'm a Ruby on Rails beginner which does not work on Windows and I don't know much about Linux.
[19:02] <holstein> uzername: this has *nothing* to do with linux.. this is a fact of hardware, as i said.. if you were wanting to dual boot win7 and win8 there, i would suggest the same thing.. and the same facts about the hardware are true
[19:14] <uzername> Strong OEM runes and wizardry protect netbook from Ubuntu...
[19:14] <holstein> could be uefi
[19:14] <holstein> !uefi
[19:14] <holstein> uzername: what netbook?
[19:15] <holstein> i have a bunch of eeepc's i install linux on all the time.. some dual boot
[19:15] <uzername> asus eeepc 1025C
[19:16] <uzername> i have already shut it down, but i may show "sudo parted -l" output
[19:16] <holstein> uzername: and you have tried shrinking a partition with gparted from a live CD? or using a windows tool?
[19:16] <uzername> if necesarry
[19:16] <holstein> uzername: try shrinking the partition, after you are comfortable losing all the date on the drive, potentially
[19:17] <uzername> using gparted from live CD. put I have not done it, because I am not sure how to do this in this case.
[19:18] <uzername> I have already shown you gparted screenshot
[19:18] <holstein> uzername: sure.. and what you will need to do to install *any* other os there, is to make room for it on the disk
[19:19] <holstein> uzername: you can do that from gparted in a live CD.. or there is AFAIK, a windows tool you can use from when windows is running
[19:24] <uzername> my netbook already has 4 primary partitions. as you see at that screenshot the best way to get some space is to modify /dev/sda3/ partition.
[19:24] <uzername> Is it okay to define all necesarry Linux partitions on a single primary partition?
[19:24] <holstein> ok is a matter of opinion and use case
[19:24] <holstein> uzername: if that is the only way you can do it, then its the only way
[19:25] <holstein> i remember removing an ntfs partition, and resizing another, and making room for linux that way.. i made the empty space and let the installer use it
[20:01] <faxalotl> quit
[23:51] <Somebody> ping
[23:51] <Somebody> was doing a dist upgrade.
[23:52] <Somebody> it appeard done, however dpkg is stuck and it will not boot into a gui, only root
[23:52] <Somebody> unable to mount disks
[23:52] <Somebody> or something like that
[23:52] <Somebody> any help?
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Somebody: Run [ sudo dpkg --configure -a ]
[23:59] <Somebody> tried that.  files systems are in rescue mode, read only
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> You're in recovery?