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mhall119JHOSMAN: you can us console.log() anywhere in QML that uses Javascript00:35
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manchickenGrumble... error: insufficient permissions for device01:17
manchickenGreat... filesystem is toast it seems.01:19
manchicken_Yay... adb sideload FTW.01:36
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esigolonetsplit oO01:39
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leaderhow can I ssh to my phone, please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5845612/04:22
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leaderwhich qt is to be installed on ubuntu phone , online installer 32 bit?04:41
RAOFleader: This one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src04:46
Mirvleader: for developing, 'ubuntu-sdk', see http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/. on the phone, it should be included in images, but the Qt from Ubuntu archives as pointed out04:47
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leaderhi, I'm reading ubuntu wiki, and I just done adb root; adb shell reboot -p , and how my device is not turning on at all05:46
leaderhow can I boot it again05:47
leadergosh so many bugs05:53
leaderwe cannot install both ubuntu and androind os in nexus 405:54
popey_05:22:53 < leader> how can I ssh to my phone, please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5845612/06:21
popey_it's "ssh phablet@<IP>"06:21
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dholbachgood morning06:36
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TobyKhi, I phablet-flash'd my Nexus 7 but now it's stuck in a boot loop. Any ideas on how to fix this?06:54
TobyKI'm doing a wipe and reflash, let's see if that helps06:59
TobyKnope :-( still bootloop...07:02
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JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Friday! :-D08:20
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deschainhow hard would it be to porting ubuntu to a motorola xt879?08:33
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didrocksogra_: hey09:38
didrocksogra_: "  * aaaand ... manually move all recommends back to depends since the image is09:38
didrocks    currently built with --no-install-recommends"09:38
didrockswe still don't install recommends by default, right?09:38
didrocksSaviq: let's wait for ogra ^ but I guess we'll have to keep them in the seed as long as we don't install recommends :/09:47
Saviqdidrocks, :/09:48
Saviqdidrocks, it's probably to keep the image small09:48
didrocksSaviq: yeah, but then, we have duplication. I would prefer we work on getting recommends both sensible for desktop and phones09:49
didrockswith eventual alternatives09:49
Saviqdidrocks, I agree09:51
Saviqdednick, https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1181299 should be fixed with your branch, too, right?09:51
ubot5Launchpad bug 1181299 in touch-preview-images "Sound indicator takes a while to load, not displaying the content sometimes" [Critical,Confirmed]09:51
Saviqdednick, sound controls are broken with your branch, though, I'm afraid09:52
dednickSaviq: broken?09:52
Saviqdednick, they don't do anything09:52
dednickSaviq: and no, it still takes awhile to load the indicators09:52
Saviqdednick, yeah, but the real bug was that sometimes it came up 'Empty!'09:52
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Saviqdednick, the fact that it takes a while to load them is a different issue09:53
ogra_didrocks, right09:53
Saviqdednick, sorry for switching channels, btw :)09:53
didrocksSaviq: ok, so rejecting your branch :/09:53
didrocksthanks ogra_09:53
Saviqdidrocks, yeah09:53
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Saviqdidrocks, I'll resubmit with just the indicators dropped when we merge them into the shell09:54
didrocksSaviq: ok09:54
dednickSaviq: i'm not sure why sometimes it's coming up with empty. I think there may be something going on with the backend09:54
ogra_i would love to get rid of that evil hack ... but i doubt we'll make it in saucy .... its a hell lot of work to shrink down the deps09:54
Saviqdednick, ah, didn't see that with your branch, but ok let's revisit later09:54
didrocksogra_: yeah, it would be worthy though, let's see if we can get a global effort past saucy09:55
dednickSaviq: ya, seems to be a bit random that there is no content. but only seems to happen with sound09:55
Saviqdednick, by broken sound controls I mean they don't do anything09:56
ogra_didrocks, right, that was my plan .... i mean, not that it is important once we dropped apt09:56
Saviqdednick, let's go back to -unity, btw09:56
didrocksogra_: we still need it for building the image, right?09:56
ogra_yes, but if we need it only for that it isnt that bad to use the option ... it really depends how much apt we will allow beyond that09:57
ogra_(teh option is carried over into the image setup indeed)09:57
didrocksyeah, but I think the cleaning for having a good progressive enhancement (converged) story would be needed. Happy to try participating to that effort if it's the plan09:58
Saviqis sound broken on maguro for anyone else?10:08
Saviqit's very distorted here and sound controls don't work properly10:08
ogra_i see the volume controls in the indicator10:08
ogra_the media player doesnt seem to integrate with pulse yet though10:09
ogra_so it doesnt have any effect on video playback if you try to adjuts anything10:09
Saviqogra_, hmm it works fine on the same image in manta, though10:09
Saviqcan it be a per-device thing?10:09
ogra_sure, can be a codec thing10:09
Saviqogra_, and if you play a video, does it break up badly?10:10
ogra_i know that pulse isnt completely there yet, let diwic know once he is back from vacation (not exactly sure when that is )10:10
ogra_Saviq, well, i it is to loud and i get a slight distortion10:11
Saviqogra_, how about CPU usage? it feels like it's hogging the CPU here10:11
ogra_but i think it is caused simply by running at full volume without the ability to adjust10:11
ogra_hmm, i havent checked on tthe cmdline it surely stays responsive and i can switch apps etc fluidly10:12
Saviqogra_, and that's maguro? which image?10:12
ogra_maguro ... hmm, i think the 03.1 image i didnt upgrade yesterdy10:12
Saviqogra_, yeah, I'm at 04.210:14
ogra_well, i dont think anything changed there10:14
Saviqogra_, let's hope it's just me :)10:15
ogra_well, there are definitely issues with pulse10:15
ogra_though i wouldnt see why mako would behave any different10:16
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ogra_cjwatson, hmm, so the renaming of the boot img files from armel to armhf seems to leave the armel ones behind, but only in the versioned dirs, /current has just armhf .... i guess we better fix that in livecd-rootfs and create them properly from the start10:23
cjwatsonogra_: Just rm them on cdimage and don't worry about it10:25
cjwatsonogra_: It's a known cdimage misfeature10:26
ogra_you mean manually ?10:26
cjwatsonYou'll only have to do it once - they'll have been carried over from previous builds10:26
ogra_oh, i didnt get they are just carryover cruft10:26
cjwatson(I predict)10:26
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mhr3Saviq, wonder where did this come from https://twitter.com/dohbee/status/35284441765000806510:26
didrocksmhr3: ask him to implement it :)10:27
Saviqmhr3, I've heard that come up here and there, ignored for the most part...10:27
mhr3Saviq, and i thought you have a surprise for me :)10:28
Saviqmhr3, you know, it _could_ work10:28
Saviqmhr3, but I wouldn't say it'd be QML per se10:28
Saviqmhr3, it'd be a QML-like language that you'd declare "transformations" from HTML / XML / JSON10:28
Saviqmhr3, to a set of results10:29
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Saviqmhr3, using XPath / CSS selectors / $json_something10:29
mhr3ouch, it almost looks like you really thought about it :P10:29
* didrocks heard XPath and feel back 10 years ago10:30
Saviqmhr3, I wouldn't go as far as enabling JS in there, but the idea is valid10:30
didrockswhen having headaches every evenings :p10:30
Saviqmhr3, but yeah, academic10:30
mhr3i do have to agree that if all scopes shared one v8 instance and just did this, it would be quite nice10:30
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Saviqmhr3, exactly10:32
Saviqmhr3, at least those that are simple translators between data structurse10:33
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crawlerHi folks10:38
crawlerHas  anybody managed to install ubuntu on a VidoN90FHDRK tablet ?10:39
rvrI've installed a flipped image. How are applications executed now? Before that, I did ubuntu_chroot and executed them10:43
ogra_cjwatson, hmm, there is something wrong10:43
ogra_cdimage@nusakan:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current$ ls -l ../20130704.2/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+maguro.zip10:43
ogra_-rw-rw-r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 31385276 Jul  4 18:59 ../20130704.2/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+maguro.zip10:43
ogra_seems the numerwed armel+$subarch.zip files are all links to themselves10:44
* ogra_ wonders why phablet-flash doesnt freak out 10:45
sergiusensogra_: it doesn't download from current10:46
ogra_sergiusens, not talking about current10:46
sergiusensogra_: is that just today's build?10:46
ogra_sergiusens, the files themselves in the versioned dirs  seem to just be links pointing to themselves10:46
ogra_i was just trying to remove the boot-armel+foo.img stuff that seems to be carried over endlessly and saw that10:47
ogra_cjwatson, also, wasnt /current supposed to just be a link to the latest dir again instead of being a dir itself ?10:48
sergiusensyou can probably get rid of the .md5sums btw10:48
sergiusensI don't see an issue when looking through http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130704.2/10:49
ogra_sergiusens, yeah, after i solved that problem10:49
ogra_sergiusens, look on nusakan directly10:49
sergiusensoh, details :-)10:49
cjwatsonogra_: Can you leave it a bit while I get breakfast so I can think properly, and then I'll look?10:50
ogra_cjwatson, sure10:50
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cjwatsonogra_: Actually, I don't know what you're talking about regarding "links to themselves".  They are not.10:51
ogra_cdimage@nusakan:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled$ ls -l 20130703.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip10:52
ogra_-rw-r--r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 46003765 Jul  3 14:41 20130703.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip10:52
cjwatsonYes - so?  That's clearly a regular file, not a symlink10:52
sergiusensyeah, I'm not seeing the links10:52
sergiusensonly in /current, but they seem correct10:52
sergiusenstmoenicke: you around?10:53
* ogra_ must be confused ... 10:53
cjwatsonI think you're just getting confused by some red things in colourised ls, which is because it colourises .zip files the same way it does broken symlinks.  Perhaps.10:53
ogra_yeah, the red was what made me look10:53
ogra_what confused me was that the output then showed me the linked full path when looking in current10:54
cjwatsonAnd for current, that's probably just because cdimage needs to be updated to link to the *-boot-armhf-* files properly.10:54
cjwatsonI'll fix that after breakfast.10:54
cjwatsonogra_: linked full path> Well, that's normal for symlinks.10:55
ogra_well, they were red too :)10:55
ogra_which usually is a dangling one10:55
cjwatsonI mean, *-boot-armel+* are dangling, yes.  That's genuine, as I mentioned above.10:56
cjwatsonBut *-touch-armel+* aren't.  You can tell because the symlink itself is coloured normally, and only its target is red.10:56
cjwatson(Can I kill *.md5sum yet?  When do we assume people have new enough phablet-tools?)10:57
sergiusenscjwatson: you can kill it10:57
cjwatsonSo we just tell people to upgrade phablet-tools if it goes wrong?10:57
ogra_see the right window, that was what confused me10:57
sergiusenscjwatson: yeah, well as it is today, they won't be able to use it with an older version anyways10:57
cjwatsonogra_: Symlink itself in light blue => symlink isn't dangling.10:58
ogra_right, only the target is red10:58
cjwatsonIf it's dangling then the bit on the left of -> will be red too.10:58
ogra_following the link with ls then gave me a full red output :)10:58
cjwatsonBut with no "->".10:58
cjwatsonThus, not a symlink.10:58
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ogra_that was my confusion :)10:59
Saviqogra_, is there a way with phablet-flash to select an image version to flash?11:12
ogra_i think so, --list-revisions should show the available ones11:12
ogra_and -r used with a revision number should install the picked one11:12
sergiusensSaviq: not yet, need to think of something there11:14
Saviqsergiusens, k thanks11:14
sergiusenslog me a bug and I won't forget :-)11:14
Saviqsergiusens, btw, what are the touch-armel+$device zips?11:15
Saviqsergiusens, can I flash just the touch-armhf one or?11:15
sergiusensSaviq: touch-armel-$device is the android part11:15
sergiusensSaviq: you indeed want it11:16
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Saviqsergiusens, the on that's later handled by the lxc package11:16
Saviqsergiusens, how do I flash it manually, then? after the touch-arhmf?11:16
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sergiusensSaviq: first the $device one, then the touch-armhf.zip11:17
sergiusensSaviq: needless to say, if you already flashed it in the past, the -p works11:17
Saviqsergiusens, so if I move a newer image, it will just flash the newest one in there?11:18
Saviqsergiusens, or is that just the direct path to a dir in phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch/$version?11:18
sergiusensSaviq: direct path to dir11:19
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Saviqsergiusens, ah, so it is possible :)11:19
sergiusensphablet-flash -p ~/Downloads/phablet-flash/.*/2013063011:19
sergiusensSaviq: but you have to have it dowloaded :-)11:19
Saviqsergiusens, yeah, that's fine11:19
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ogra_rsalveti, hmm, did you check if adbd still works in the initrd (no /system, no container, no getprop there) when you get into an initrd shell ?11:25
Saviqsergiusens, bug 119814711:31
ubot5bug 1198147 in Phablet Tools "There should be an easy way to flash a non-latest image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119814711:31
timpSaviq: phablet-flash --revision?11:33
Saviqtimp, tried --list-revisions?11:34
Saviqtimp, it's a manual thing to tag a certain image11:34
sergiusensSaviq: ty11:34
Saviqtimp: bug 119491911:34
ubot5bug 1194919 in Phablet Tools "call to fastboot from phablet-flash hangs with <waiting for device> message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119491911:34
timpSaviq: ah. my assumptions about revisions were wrong11:34
Saviqtimp, I meant bug 119251111:35
ubot5bug 1192511 in Phablet Tools "--list-revisions doesn't show all releases" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119251111:35
timpok, your bug makes sense :)11:35
timpgmail doesn't work in chromium for me anymore. even after clearing cache/cookies/... :s11:36
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cjwatsonogra_: All fixed now; looks like I'd forgotten a piece when I was doing the boot armel->armhf changeover11:49
cjwatsonogra_,sergiusens: And I've removed the .md5sum generation now11:54
ogra_cjwatson, yay, did you start a build ?12:06
* ogra_ would like to see if the stamp writing works too now 12:06
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* ogra_ sees nothing running and fires off one12:08
cjwatsonogra_: There was going to be one in an hour and a bit, so I didn't bother12:13
* ogra_ wonders what that favicon on http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/ is 12:16
ogra_rsalveti, ah, ingore that, i see you only changed the upstart job, i thought you also added  any code deps on libhybris12:22
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ogra_sergiusens, do you know where in the git tree i should search for the code creating the boot.img ? i cant seem to find it in the SGS2 tree13:27
user82is the whole flipped thing a transistion to ubuntu only or will there still be kept a lot of android base?13:32
esigolouser82: ill be kept some things !13:32
ogra_we keep all we need to use the binary blobs13:33
xnoxuser82: depends on target device. android bits are used to access hardware sensors and the like.13:33
cjwatsonogra_: Just setting BUILDSTAMP as a shell variable in live-build/auto/config will not achieve much of any interest.  It needs to actually be written to the output live-build config files.13:41
cjwatsonogra_: Could you please test this locally before your next livecd-rootfs upload?13:41
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user82xnox, esigolo so in the end only the kernel? surfaceflinger gone. dalvik was never in there. the android standard library or something?13:43
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mhall119ogra_: rsalveti: any idea why the flipped images directory doesn't have a changelog?13:52
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mhall119I liked being able to refresh that tab in the morning to see what awaited me13:53
xnoxuser82: gps, abient light sensors, webcameras, microphones, sim/3g/gprs/gsm, gyroscopes, hardware volume buttons....13:56
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esigolouser82: i think ogra_ can explain it for you !14:00
e8hffffis there currently a pdf reader that works?  also should I install samba or is there another networking model proposed?14:02
esigoloxnox: sorry and had not seen your reply14:03
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esigoloe8hffff: you can see the avaliable packages here https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa14:05
e8hffffesigolo: thx14:06
esigoloe8hffff: you are welcome !14:06
e8hffffesigolo: it would eb nice to have somewhat usable device while using it fro development14:08
esigoloasac: i don't know if you guys did something but handle the phone with the protection cover become significantly better on the last nightly14:08
e8hffffesigolo: for me that means being able to read pdf's and get files off network14:08
esigoloe8hffff: you chan transfer the files over ssh or adb push/pull but i did no see any pdf reader around ! sorry14:10
cjwatsonmhall119: nobody's written the necessary code to generate that in cdimage14:12
AskUbuntuWill Ubuntu Touch include support for Bluetooth Low Energy | http://askubuntu.com/q/31669414:12
esigolorsalveti: any luck with 3g issue? :)14:14
e8hffffWhy did they remove the terminate app 'X' in the crawler menu. It's good to have the terminate X in bother crawler menu and the lists of apps in the apps-lens14:17
e8hffffboth... not bother14:18
rsalvetiesigolo: yeah, needs fixing at the data part14:28
rsalvetimhall119: I don't remember if ogra_ was planning to add a similar file in there14:29
esigolorsalveti: if you need some test ping me =)14:29
rsalvetibut we need some sort of stamp indeed14:29
rsalveticould even be a property or such14:29
rsalvetiogra_: yeah, the hybris dep in this case is just for the utilities14:30
rsalvetiogra_: you should stop getting the 'device is offline' message now14:30
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ogra_rsalveti, mhall119, i was actually hoping we can pull the changelogs of the android packages in instead14:43
ogra_(once they are done)14:43
rsalvetiogra_: but I don't think we have any sort of stamp in it, right?14:44
rsalvetimight be needed later on as well14:44
rsalvetito know which image the user is using, and if developer mode is enabled or not14:44
ogra_well, if i wouldnt mess it up all the time there would be a stamp in /var/log/installer/media-info14:44
rsalvetigot it14:44
ogra_currenntly that has everything but the stamp itself :)14:44
ogra_developer mode will be enabled by touching /data/developer-mode or some such if i read the initrd script right14:47
ogra_so that should be easy to find out :)14:47
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ogra_mhall119, the android bits will soon be in a package, you should be able to just read the package changelog for it14:49
mhall119ogra_: cool14:50
mhall119when fginther is back, I'll talk to him about getting useful changelog entries for the core apps14:50
ogra_and if desired we can indeed push it as a .changelog file to the dir (though that seems redundant)14:50
* ogra_ thinks a link to the LP page of the android packages would proobably be cleverer14:51
sergiusensmhall119: ok, just don't make them go to daily release as the plan for core apps is to be a click package14:52
sergiusensas in, it's too much work for something we will not need in the near future14:52
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ogra_well, probably mpt could design something so you can read the changelogs of click packages in the UI14:53
ogra_but i bet thats rather low prio :)14:53
ogra_at least in our current status14:54
mhall119sergiusens: all the core apps are currently built into packages by jenkins on every bzr commit14:54
ogra_mhall119, that will change as soon as we drop apt and switch to click packages14:54
mhall119even for stuff in the default install?14:54
rsalvetirenato__: cyphermox: tried to debug bug 1195787 here yesterday, but it crashes inside nm when trying to get a gobject cache14:54
ogra_foir all apps as i undeerstood14:54
rsalvetiprobably because it's trying to get an object that's not available anymore, or via wrong index14:55
mhall119either way, we already have packaging and auto-building, it's just that Jenkins doesn't put useful messages in the debian/changelog14:55
rsalvetibut the problem happens via dbus, so no easy trace14:55
ogra_mhall119, i was surprised too :)14:55
rsalvetirenato__: would you mind taking a look at that later on?14:55
rsalvetithis bug is really annoying14:55
timphow do I check on a device which image I am running there? I just did a phablet-flash and it seems to have finished without problems, but I have a non-flipped image installed14:55
ogra_mhall119, i would have expected a core to be shipped as part of the image ... but seems thats not desired14:55
timpon nexus 1014:55
mhall119timp: do you have the very latest phablet-tools package?14:55
cyphermoxrsalveti: I should have fixed this in a mr yesterday... I think14:56
rsalveticyphermox: you only fixed when enabling/disabling wifi14:56
timpmhall119: yes, 0.14+13.10.20130704-0ubuntu114:56
rsalveticyphermox: it still crashes when trying to change wifi ap14:56
ogra_timp, theoretically it should be in /var/log/installer/media-info, practically there is a bug that doesnt put the stamp in14:56
timpmhall119: I flashed a phone with it before and that was fine, but now for the tablet I'm not sure. perhaps that image is not flipped yet?14:56
cyphermoxoh, right I see14:56
cyphermoxwell it's likely the same crap14:56
ogra_i'll have that fixed before end of the day, so tomorrows image should have it14:56
rsalveticyphermox: probably14:57
rsalvetiwould be awesome if someone could take a look at that14:57
rsalvetibetter if someone that knows vala :-)14:57
timpogra_: I don't have /var/log/installer dir14:57
ogra_timp, well, then you dont run flipped i bet, does adb get you into an ubuntu or into an android env ?14:58
cyphermoxrsalveti: yes, I'll look soon14:58
timpogra_: into android, so it is not flipped14:58
renato__rsalveti, I can try but I do not have any nm skills, alberto wrote the original code14:58
cyphermoxjust about tired of the pain of trying to build a new kernel :)14:58
timpogra_: so are the images for *all* devices now flipped?14:58
rsalvetiSaviq: seems to be part of the latest image already \o/14:58
timpok, then my flashing went wrong14:58
ogra_but you need to use the latest phablet-tools14:58
rsalvetirenato__: got it, cyphermox might be the guy for this then :-)14:58
rsalveticyphermox: :-)14:58
renato__rsalveti, maybe ted can hep on that, he is working on the network indicator now14:59
timpogra_: do you see anything going wrong here? https://pastebin.canonical.com/93871/14:59
cyphermoxrsalveti: I'm a bit stuck, you wouldn't have already a backtrace would you?14:59
timpwhy does it download two images?14:59
rsalveticyphermox: I think I have, just a sec14:59
ogra_cjwatson, i guess i should delete the .md5sum files manually ? seems they get carried over once again14:59
ogra_timp, one is all the HW specific stuff, the other is a hw independent ubuntu15:00
mhall119ogra_: will it ever be possible to offer one generic installable image for multiple devices, like we do for desktops?15:01
timpdo I  need to do something special (add -b to phablet-flash?) the first time I install a flipped image?15:01
ogra_mhall119, no ... we could use one image per device but that would waste a lot of space on cdimage15:01
mhall119ogra_: is that a limitation in the way ARM devices are made?15:02
sergiusensogra_: no15:02
ogra_sergiusens, no what ?15:02
cjwatsonogra_: I thought that might happen.  I'll do it now15:03
ogra_mhall119, that is a limitation in android .... we could merge all zips into one gigantic image but that would waste the users bandwith to download crap he doesnt need15:03
ogra_cjwatson, ah. thx15:03
ogra_mhall119, android is designed in a way that each device needs its own HW bits (esle we wouldnt need to do porting at all)15:04
ogra_they eeven dont use the same kernel15:04
Saviqrsalveti, cool15:05
sergiusensogra_: that was for mhall119 :-)15:05
ogra_sergiusens, heh15:05
ogra_cjwatson, thanks !15:05
timpogra_: I did a phablet-flash -b, and now I get the image that I expected :)15:09
davmor2popey: can you just confirm something with the rss app does it actually update currently?15:18
UbuncatI don't know if this is the right place to ask... since everything will converge to Unity8, will there be a Desktop version of the interface, or will someone using it on the living room desktop be stuck with a Touch interface?15:19
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mhall119ogra_: that's what I thought, too bad15:21
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Ubuncathm, guess this is not the right place to ask either.15:23
cjwatsonUbuncat: Same software stack doesn't necessarily mean the same interface behaviour in all respects15:26
cjwatson(Not a Unity developer but) I believe the intent is to have it be sensitive to the form factor it's running on to at least some extent15:26
UbuncatI'd like to see an option to be able to keep the launcher always-seen on desktops, at least. Its one of the things that made me hate the earlier vesions.15:27
cyphermoxrsalveti: did you get a backtrace?15:28
UbuncatI have to run! So guess we'll see what happens when the thing launches! tata!15:28
cyphermoxrsalveti: otherwise I'll reflash to android, get the info I need, and then reflash touch and get the backtrace15:28
rsalveticyphermox: got it here, 1 sec, was on a call15:28
cyphermoxhuh, Ubuncat was someone from Quebec.15:29
cyphermoxI've never seen them in the loco channel :)15:29
mhall119did we lose the tap-on-indicator to open the general settings page?15:30
rsalveticyphermox: renato__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847118/15:30
rsalvetiit seems to do the right thing, but it crashes later15:30
rsalvetilike, I'm able to change my ap just fine15:31
rsalvetiguess it's just not updating the internal ap list correctly, might be getting the wrong object with wrong id15:31
cyphermoxrsalveti: yeah, something is unref'ing an object where it shouldn't15:32
cyphermoxrsalveti: I think perhaps we're unref'ing something as we destroy the list15:32
rsalveticyphermox: could be15:33
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didrockspete-woods: FYI: https://code.launchpad.net/~ps-jenkins/nux/latestsnapshot-4.0.2+13.10.20130705-0ubuntu1/+merge/17324916:49
didrocks(look at the commit message)16:49
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didrocksah, it was a Wellark who requested it in fact ^16:50
joseph_thegreatbarghh! I am trying to make a music app for reading sheet music and making it and having dubtracts ect. I am at the point where I want to make scrolling display for sheet  music but I can not figure out how to make a grid view automatic scroll down. I have tried on a timmer but it gets the beats (8/8 8/32 ect) wrong and scrolls on its own .  any ideas ?  \16:53
pete-woodsdidrocks: I was confused there! :)16:55
didrockspete-woods: can I use the card of "EOW"? :)16:55
pete-woodsdidrocks: I think that is fair!16:55
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esigolols -ltr17:02
bobweaverHow to fix this ?17:08
bobweaverQML debugging is enabled. Only use this in a safe environment.17:08
bobweaverfile:///home/joseph/Templates/build-Mythbuntu-QML-Desktop_Qt_5_1_0_GCC_32bit-Debug/programs/frontend/qml/Mythbuntu-QML/main.qml:9:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "MythTv": Plugin verification data mismatch in '/home/joseph/Qt5.1.0-RC/5.1.0-rc1/gcc/qml/MythTv/libMythTv.so'17:08
bobweaver     import  MythTv 1.017:08
bobweaver     ^17:08
bobweaverit is compiled with that version of qmake . code is located here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/mythbuntu/mythtv-qml/files/head:/src/MythTv/17:09
* cyphermox brb -> lunch17:32
mhall119Kaleo_: how can I un-apply the default styles for an item now?17:50
mhall119previously the calculator was setting the following for TextFields it didn't want to render as text fields:17:51
mhall119ItemStyle.delegate: Item{}17:51
Kaleo_mhall119: it's not recommended17:54
Kaleo_mhall119: the calculator was adapted for that17:54
Kaleo_mhall119: but dalius reverted the adaptation 2 days ago17:55
Kaleo_mhall119: that he approved for merge 2 days too early17:56
Kaleo_mhall119: reapply revision 90 and done17:56
SpacedOutloicm: It's been a month, can you take another look at my merge request, https://code.launchpad.net/~spacedout/qtubuntu/fix_opengl_sharing/+merge/16346617:59
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mhall119Kaleo_: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/reapply-new-styling/+merge/173261 look good to you?18:01
bobweaverBingo thanks netcurli  now to figure out how to make DNSServiceRefDeallocate and other things become defined symbol You Are Awesome !18:01
esigoloWindows tem got a zip bomb virus !!! and now they are asking for help ! !  they want to mount the lun on linux to remove thje file18:01
bobweavereven though I include bonjour/ avhavi libs It still says that class are undefined18:02
dixeflatlinequick question... should i use the latest flipped or preview?18:03
bobweaverI wish I had speakers like the ones that I set up each day at work in my office room18:04
bobweavermaybe you all could use this lib to make more qml/zeroconf/bonjour/avhavi cross platform like making a qmlelemnt that is like               BonjourBackend{ id: ipod  ; serviceName:  "_ubuntuTouch._tcp"  }18:08
bobweaverthen you all could connect phones to desktops as soon as the device is located on the LAN18:09
bobweaverany Ho  The Libary is located in Mythbuntu qml frontend that I lam making.  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/mythbuntu/mythtv-qml/files/head:/src/zeroConf/      It is all GPL+3 at this point18:11
bobweaverseems like it could be used for tvs and also anythign else that has a bonjour register18:12
bobweavercould even change the look of the device with signals18:12
Valeriohello, does anybody know the email client development's status?18:39
mhall119Music app meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting19:02
mhall119anybody around for it?19:02
androidHater hi guys! can anyone tell me when a stable version of ubuntu touch will come one and if it will support my HTC Sensation? i really hate android and with every update it starts lagging more and more :(19:11
esigoloandroidHater you can see the supported devices here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices19:11
esigoloandroidHater: and as far I know there is no ETA about stable version19:12
mhall119stable version should be the 13.10 release along with Ubuntu desktop and server19:17
AskUbuntuNexus 7: Please help | http://askubuntu.com/q/31680319:22
Kaleo_mhall119: yes19:24
mhall119thanks Kaleo_19:26
esigoloKaleo_: 13.10 will be the first end user version?19:28
mhall119esigolo: I think he was replying to something I asked a while ago19:28
esigolomhall119: ohh ok sorry19:29
mhall119Clock app meeting time in #ubuntu-touch-meeting19:32
esigolomhall119: can I join just to watch?19:34
nik90esigolo: ofcourse. Come along19:34
nik90its a public meeting19:34
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rsalveticyphermox: any luck with either nm or indicator-server?20:07
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cyphermoxrsalveti: nah20:22
cyphermoxI don't understand what's up20:22
cyphermoxrsalveti: It's not an issue in NM, that's for sure, it's just doing what it should, and this is pretty core stuff20:23
rsalveticyphermox: yeah, yesterday I removed most of the code there dealing with the aps, and still crashing20:23
cyphermoxthe only thing I could explain was if there was some issue in glib or memory corruption20:23
cyphermoxotherwise there's some piece with indicator-server that's not doing the right thing20:23
cyphermoxseems to me like it happens when the active ap changes20:23
rsalvetilet me reflash the latest raring tagged build to see20:24
rsalvetitry to isolate what causes it20:24
cyphermoxah, good idea20:24
cyphermoxI'll take the time to reflash to android now, I need to get back to figuring out what piece is missing for bluetooth on the mako for ttyHS020:24
rsalveticyphermox: right20:25
rsalveticyphermox: would you mind updating the nm ofono code later on as well? just to wait for the attached property20:26
rsalvetithat would probably make my phone to work safely with data20:26
rsalvetiotherwise I can try something locally, but I believe you'll fix that in 10 minutes :-)20:26
AskUbuntuWhen are you going 2 release Ubuntu phone os | http://askubuntu.com/q/31683220:48
esigolopopey: rsalveti I can safely say that is not an ETA to ubuntu touch ?20:52
rsalvetiesigolo: there will be a release together with 13.10 that should be quite usable already20:53
rsalvetiwhich should probably be the first release20:53
esigoloGreate :)20:53
esigolothere is any way to test gps?20:55
rsalvetithere's only a test software for the api, I believe the localization service will land next week20:56
rsalvetiops, *location service20:57
argeshi. whats the command for cleaning out all the pre-populated music/contacts/messages after a fresh phablet-flash?20:59
esigoloarges: sudo apt-get remove demo* !! Like demo-assets-pictures21:00
sergiusensarges: apt-get remove demo-assets-videos demo-assets-music21:00
argesesigolo: sergiusens : thanks!21:00
esigoloarges: welcome !21:00
esigoloarges: just remember you have to connect over ssh or adb shell21:01
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esigolobrokolica: hello21:09
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brokolicai have one question sorry my english :-\  is a ubuntu touch possible install to tablet iconia tab A500 ?21:11
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices is the devices list21:11
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rsalveticyphermox: indicator-server from trunk works fine with raring21:12
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rsalvetiwill try to build with the latest nm now21:13
brokolicaisnt there :'(21:13
esigolobrokolica: so unfortunately you got to wait until somebody port it21:15
argesmaybe there is a wiki for this but... how do I see newly installed apps after i install via shell? Do I need to restart the tablet, or do a unity --refresh ? or some command21:15
popeyyou should see them in the app lens21:15
brokolicathanks i hope so much :-D maybe one day21:16
argespopey: hmm. doesn't seem to be showing up. I did an 'apt-get install touch-coreapps' via adb shell, and don't see any of the additional apps21:17
popeydid you add the ppa first?21:18
popeyoh, you need to restart unity, yes21:18
argesno didn't add PPA just whatevers in the archive21:18
popeyquickest is just reboot, but there is a way to restart the session21:19
popeyi just don't have the command (or phone) near me right now21:19
argesjust trying to dogfood a bit, and wanted to try out things i normally do (like read PDFs)21:19
argespopey: cool rebooting thanks21:20
joobiehey guys.. i was reading xda-developers to find a ROM for my phone and bumped into Ubuntu Touch ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2331876 )21:23
joobieis it stable?21:23
popeyjoobie: define stable ☻21:25
popeyits under constant development, getting new releases of apps and libraries frequently21:25
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joobiepopey, can i use SMS, Phone Calls, Email (Exchange Sync), Contacts, Calendars?21:27
joobiespeakerphone, bluetooth21:27
joobiethose kinda standard functions, without it crashing on me ? :P21:28
joobiei use my phone day to day so need it to work.. but dont mind the occasional reboot21:28
sergiusenswait until october21:28
popeysome of those features done exist yet21:29
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joobiewhich ones do?21:31
joobielooks cool via youtube btw21:31
joobiei might be able to compromise some of those feature s:P21:32
popeywell, as it's under active development right now any of those apps can crash or stop working in a daily build, despite our best intentions21:33
joobiebut do they all exist ?21:34
joobiewilling to give it a go if so to see how much they do crash21:35
joobiewhich ones are missing?21:35
popeywe have sms, phone, contacts, calendar is not finished.21:36
popeyspeakerphone and bluetooth aren't done yet.21:37
joobieahh ok21:38
joobieill have to wait then21:38
joobiedamn :) it looks like a great interface21:38
popeyit is ☻21:38
joobieare there plans ot make it support activesync (exchange) ?21:38
popeynot in the platform, but perhaps in the apps21:44
argesok last question from me for the day... if I want to run an app via the command line, is there a variable I need to export for the display server ? i.e. (DISPLAY=:0.0 program)21:47
popeythat wont work, the phone doesn't ship with X21:47
argespopey: i'm aware, but an equivalent for mir21:47
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cyphermoxrsalveti: could be an issue that is caused by the new glib/gmenumodel and stuffs21:52
cyphermoxI mean, that wifi code hasn't changed :)21:52
cyphermoxwhy this mess with the Attached property and so many things that ofono can't just DO on it's own21:52
cyphermoxit makes for so many corner cases to work around, stuff to check and poll for etc. just really ugly code21:53
rsalveticyphermox: don't you have a similar attached property for the modem manager side?21:57
rsalvetiit makes sense to have such state it seems21:57
cyphermoxor, maybe, but it's not so complicated21:57
cyphermoxand actually, there probably just isn't, we can just check the registration status on the go21:57
cyphermoxand you know, do the right magic to prod MM to the right state21:58
rsalvetibut in our case can't we just track attached instead of on-line, for example?22:00
rsalvetias I believe that is what we want anyway, as we don't do anything differently with ofono yet, just data22:00
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rsalveticyphermox: yeah, works with saucy's nm22:07
rsalvetitrying new glib22:07
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newbie_hey all23:49

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