[00:09] Howdy. === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:35] JHOSMAN: you can us console.log() anywhere in QML that uses Javascript === salem_ is now known as _salem [01:17] Grumble... error: insufficient permissions for device [01:19] Great... filesystem is toast it seems. [01:36] Yay... adb sideload FTW. === Valtam1 is now known as Valtam [01:39] netsplit oO === cul- is now known as cul === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv === Neo31-desk is now known as Neo31 [04:22] how can I ssh to my phone, please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5845612/ === Ursinha is now known as Guest36665 === sash__ is now known as Guest17109 === zumbi_ is now known as Guest95491 === w00t is now known as Guest17153 === Tm_T is now known as Guest51964 === mfisch is now known as Guest95146 === wilee-nilee is now known as Guest79183 === zoktar_ is now known as zoktar === Fyodorovna is now known as wilee-nilee [04:41] which qt is to be installed on ubuntu phone , online installer 32 bit? [04:46] leader: This one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src [04:47] leader: for developing, 'ubuntu-sdk', see http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/. on the phone, it should be included in images, but the Qt from Ubuntu archives as pointed out === sidnei` is now known as sidnei === tvoss|errands is now known as tvoss === duflu_ is now known as duflu [05:46] hi, I'm reading ubuntu wiki, and I just done adb root; adb shell reboot -p , and how my device is not turning on at all [05:47] how can I boot it again [05:53] gosh so many bugs [05:54] we cannot install both ubuntu and androind os in nexus 4 [06:21] 05:22:53 < leader> how can I ssh to my phone, please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5845612/ [06:21] it's "ssh phablet@" === popey_ is now known as popey [06:36] good morning === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:54] hi, I phablet-flash'd my Nexus 7 but now it's stuck in a boot loop. Any ideas on how to fix this? [06:59] I'm doing a wipe and reflash, let's see if that helps [07:02] nope :-( still bootloop... === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === lan3y is now known as Laney === lisettte` is now known as lisettte [08:20] Good morning all, happy Friday! :-D === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN === w00t is now known as Guest47552 === Guest47552 is now known as w00t === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson === w00t is now known as Guest67670 === Cimi_ is now known as Cimi [08:33] how hard would it be to porting ubuntu to a motorola xt879? === lilstevie_ is now known as lilstevie === gusch is now known as gusch|away === jibel_ is now known as jibel [09:38] ogra_: hey [09:38] ogra_: " * aaaand ... manually move all recommends back to depends since the image is [09:38] currently built with --no-install-recommends" [09:38] we still don't install recommends by default, right? [09:47] Saviq: let's wait for ogra ^ but I guess we'll have to keep them in the seed as long as we don't install recommends :/ [09:48] didrocks, :/ [09:48] didrocks, it's probably to keep the image small [09:49] Saviq: yeah, but then, we have duplication. I would prefer we work on getting recommends both sensible for desktop and phones [09:49] with eventual alternatives [09:51] didrocks, I agree [09:51] dednick, https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1181299 should be fixed with your branch, too, right? [09:51] Launchpad bug 1181299 in touch-preview-images "Sound indicator takes a while to load, not displaying the content sometimes" [Critical,Confirmed] [09:52] dednick, sound controls are broken with your branch, though, I'm afraid [09:52] Saviq: broken? [09:52] dednick, they don't do anything [09:52] Saviq: and no, it still takes awhile to load the indicators [09:52] dednick, yeah, but the real bug was that sometimes it came up 'Empty!' === bob is now known as Guest1622 [09:53] dednick, the fact that it takes a while to load them is a different issue [09:53] didrocks, right [09:53] dednick, sorry for switching channels, btw :) [09:53] Saviq: ok, so rejecting your branch :/ [09:53] thanks ogra_ [09:53] didrocks, yeah === Guest1622 is now known as b0bben [09:54] didrocks, I'll resubmit with just the indicators dropped when we merge them into the shell [09:54] Saviq: ok [09:54] Saviq: i'm not sure why sometimes it's coming up with empty. I think there may be something going on with the backend [09:54] i would love to get rid of that evil hack ... but i doubt we'll make it in saucy .... its a hell lot of work to shrink down the deps [09:54] dednick, ah, didn't see that with your branch, but ok let's revisit later [09:55] ogra_: yeah, it would be worthy though, let's see if we can get a global effort past saucy [09:55] Saviq: ya, seems to be a bit random that there is no content. but only seems to happen with sound [09:56] dednick, by broken sound controls I mean they don't do anything [09:56] didrocks, right, that was my plan .... i mean, not that it is important once we dropped apt [09:56] dednick, let's go back to -unity, btw [09:56] ogra_: we still need it for building the image, right? [09:57] yes, but if we need it only for that it isnt that bad to use the option ... it really depends how much apt we will allow beyond that [09:57] (teh option is carried over into the image setup indeed) [09:58] yeah, but I think the cleaning for having a good progressive enhancement (converged) story would be needed. Happy to try participating to that effort if it's the plan [10:08] is sound broken on maguro for anyone else? [10:08] it's very distorted here and sound controls don't work properly [10:08] i see the volume controls in the indicator [10:09] the media player doesnt seem to integrate with pulse yet though [10:09] so it doesnt have any effect on video playback if you try to adjuts anything [10:09] ogra_, hmm it works fine on the same image in manta, though [10:09] can it be a per-device thing? [10:09] sure, can be a codec thing [10:10] ogra_, and if you play a video, does it break up badly? [10:10] i know that pulse isnt completely there yet, let diwic know once he is back from vacation (not exactly sure when that is ) [10:11] Saviq, well, i it is to loud and i get a slight distortion [10:11] ogra_, how about CPU usage? it feels like it's hogging the CPU here [10:11] but i think it is caused simply by running at full volume without the ability to adjust [10:12] hmm, i havent checked on tthe cmdline it surely stays responsive and i can switch apps etc fluidly [10:12] ogra_, and that's maguro? which image? [10:12] maguro ... hmm, i think the 03.1 image i didnt upgrade yesterdy [10:14] ogra_, yeah, I'm at 04.2 [10:14] well, i dont think anything changed there [10:15] ogra_, let's hope it's just me :) [10:15] well, there are definitely issues with pulse [10:16] though i wouldnt see why mako would behave any different === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [10:23] cjwatson, hmm, so the renaming of the boot img files from armel to armhf seems to leave the armel ones behind, but only in the versioned dirs, /current has just armhf .... i guess we better fix that in livecd-rootfs and create them properly from the start [10:25] ogra_: Just rm them on cdimage and don't worry about it [10:26] ogra_: It's a known cdimage misfeature [10:26] you mean manually ? [10:26] Yes [10:26] You'll only have to do it once - they'll have been carried over from previous builds [10:26] oh, i didnt get they are just carryover cruft [10:26] (I predict) [10:26] yeah === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:26] Saviq, wonder where did this come from https://twitter.com/dohbee/status/352844417650008065 [10:27] mhr3: ask him to implement it :) [10:27] mhr3, I've heard that come up here and there, ignored for the most part... [10:28] Saviq, and i thought you have a surprise for me :) [10:28] mhr3, you know, it _could_ work [10:28] mhr3, but I wouldn't say it'd be QML per se [10:28] mhr3, it'd be a QML-like language that you'd declare "transformations" from HTML / XML / JSON [10:29] mhr3, to a set of results === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [10:29] mhr3, using XPath / CSS selectors / $json_something [10:29] ouch, it almost looks like you really thought about it :P [10:30] * didrocks heard XPath and feel back 10 years ago [10:30] mhr3, I wouldn't go as far as enabling JS in there, but the idea is valid [10:30] when having headaches every evenings :p [10:30] mhr3, but yeah, academic [10:30] indeed [10:30] i do have to agree that if all scopes shared one v8 instance and just did this, it would be quite nice === Guest95491 is now known as zumbi [10:32] mhr3, exactly [10:33] mhr3, at least those that are simple translators between data structurse === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [10:38] Hi folks [10:39] Has anybody managed to install ubuntu on a VidoN90FHDRK tablet ? [10:43] I've installed a flipped image. How are applications executed now? Before that, I did ubuntu_chroot and executed them [10:43] cjwatson, hmm, there is something wrong [10:43] cdimage@nusakan:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current$ ls -l ../20130704.2/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+maguro.zip [10:43] -rw-rw-r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 31385276 Jul 4 18:59 ../20130704.2/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+maguro.zip [10:44] seems the numerwed armel+$subarch.zip files are all links to themselves [10:44] *numbered [10:45] * ogra_ wonders why phablet-flash doesnt freak out [10:46] ogra_: it doesn't download from current [10:46] sergiusens, not talking about current [10:46] ogra_: is that just today's build? [10:46] sergiusens, the files themselves in the versioned dirs seem to just be links pointing to themselves [10:47] i was just trying to remove the boot-armel+foo.img stuff that seems to be carried over endlessly and saw that [10:48] cjwatson, also, wasnt /current supposed to just be a link to the latest dir again instead of being a dir itself ? [10:48] you can probably get rid of the .md5sums btw [10:49] I don't see an issue when looking through http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130704.2/ [10:49] sergiusens, yeah, after i solved that problem [10:49] sergiusens, look on nusakan directly [10:49] oh, details :-) [10:50] ogra_: Can you leave it a bit while I get breakfast so I can think properly, and then I'll look? [10:50] cjwatson, sure === gusch|away is now known as gusch [10:51] ogra_: Actually, I don't know what you're talking about regarding "links to themselves". They are not. [10:52] cdimage@nusakan:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled$ ls -l 20130703.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip [10:52] -rw-r--r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 46003765 Jul 3 14:41 20130703.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip [10:52] Yes - so? That's clearly a regular file, not a symlink [10:52] hmm [10:52] yeah, I'm not seeing the links [10:52] only in /current, but they seem correct [10:53] tmoenicke: you around? [10:53] * ogra_ must be confused ... [10:53] I think you're just getting confused by some red things in colourised ls, which is because it colourises .zip files the same way it does broken symlinks. Perhaps. [10:53] yeah, the red was what made me look [10:54] what confused me was that the output then showed me the linked full path when looking in current [10:54] And for current, that's probably just because cdimage needs to be updated to link to the *-boot-armhf-* files properly. [10:54] I'll fix that after breakfast. [10:54] thx [10:55] ogra_: linked full path> Well, that's normal for symlinks. [10:55] well, they were red too :) [10:55] No. [10:55] which usually is a dangling one [10:56] I mean, *-boot-armel+* are dangling, yes. That's genuine, as I mentioned above. [10:56] But *-touch-armel+* aren't. You can tell because the symlink itself is coloured normally, and only its target is red. [10:57] (Can I kill *.md5sum yet? When do we assume people have new enough phablet-tools?) [10:57] cjwatson: you can kill it [10:57] yay [10:57] So we just tell people to upgrade phablet-tools if it goes wrong? [10:57] http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/links-shot.png [10:57] see the right window, that was what confused me [10:57] cjwatson: yeah, well as it is today, they won't be able to use it with an older version anyways [10:58] ogra_: Symlink itself in light blue => symlink isn't dangling. [10:58] right, only the target is red [10:58] If it's dangling then the bit on the left of -> will be red too. [10:58] following the link with ls then gave me a full red output :) [10:58] yeah [10:58] But with no "->". [10:58] Thus, not a symlink. === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [10:58] right [10:59] that was my confusion :) [11:12] ogra_, is there a way with phablet-flash to select an image version to flash? [11:12] i think so, --list-revisions should show the available ones [11:12] and -r used with a revision number should install the picked one [11:14] Saviq: not yet, need to think of something there [11:14] sergiusens, k thanks [11:14] log me a bug and I won't forget :-) [11:15] sergiusens, btw, what are the touch-armel+$device zips? [11:15] sergiusens, can I flash just the touch-armhf one or? [11:15] Saviq: touch-armel-$device is the android part [11:16] Saviq: you indeed want it === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [11:16] sergiusens, the on that's later handled by the lxc package [11:16] sergiusens, how do I flash it manually, then? after the touch-arhmf? === kkszysiu_ is now known as kkszysiu [11:17] Saviq: first the $device one, then the touch-armhf.zip [11:17] Saviq: needless to say, if you already flashed it in the past, the -p works [11:18] sergiusens, so if I move a newer image, it will just flash the newest one in there? [11:18] sergiusens, or is that just the direct path to a dir in phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch/$version? [11:19] Saviq: direct path to dir === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:19] sergiusens, ah, so it is possible :) [11:19] phablet-flash -p ~/Downloads/phablet-flash/.*/20130630 [11:19] Saviq: but you have to have it dowloaded :-) [11:19] sergiusens, yeah, that's fine === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [11:25] rsalveti, hmm, did you check if adbd still works in the initrd (no /system, no container, no getprop there) when you get into an initrd shell ? [11:31] sergiusens, bug 1198147 [11:31] bug 1198147 in Phablet Tools "There should be an easy way to flash a non-latest image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198147 [11:33] Saviq: phablet-flash --revision? [11:34] timp, tried --list-revisions? [11:34] timp, it's a manual thing to tag a certain image [11:34] Saviq: ty [11:34] timp: bug 1194919 [11:34] bug 1194919 in Phablet Tools "call to fastboot from phablet-flash hangs with message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194919 [11:34] Saviq: ah. my assumptions about revisions were wrong [11:34] wrong [11:35] timp, I meant bug 1192511 [11:35] bug 1192511 in Phablet Tools "--list-revisions doesn't show all releases" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1192511 [11:35] ok, your bug makes sense :) [11:36] gmail doesn't work in chromium for me anymore. even after clearing cache/cookies/... :s === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [11:49] ogra_: All fixed now; looks like I'd forgotten a piece when I was doing the boot armel->armhf changeover [11:54] ogra_,sergiusens: And I've removed the .md5sum generation now [12:06] cjwatson, yay, did you start a build ? [12:06] * ogra_ would like to see if the stamp writing works too now === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:08] * ogra_ sees nothing running and fires off one [12:13] ogra_: There was going to be one in an hour and a bit, so I didn't bother [12:16] * ogra_ wonders what that favicon on http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/ is [12:22] rsalveti, ah, ingore that, i see you only changed the upstart job, i thought you also added any code deps on libhybris === _salem is now known as salem_ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === jhodapp|holiday is now known as jhodapp === asterismo is now known as 65MAAJ4XS === larsgk is now known as larsgks_ghost === larsgks_ghost is now known as larsgk === w00t is now known as Guest83544 === jrgifford is now known as Guest36200 === cdesai is now known as Guest11460 === jussi is now known as Guest98401 === yofel is now known as Guest6895 === IdleOne is now known as Guest78241 === tsimpson is now known as Guest36051 === CEnnis91 is now known as Guest96642 === k1l is now known as Guest70081 === lizardo is now known as Guest54802 === ogasawara is now known as Guest85049 === dk is now known as Guest74237 === [mbm] is now known as Guest53206 === charles is now known as Guest17995 === JanC is now known as Guest79110 === Guest54802 is now known as 17WAB03FE === JamesTait is now known as Guest51687 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === rtg is now known as Guest81248 === jishnu7 is now known as Guest2643 === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === Guest78241 is now known as IdleOne === Guest51687 is now known as JamesTait === Guest6895 is now known as yofel === Guest83544 is now known as w00t === w00t is now known as Guest45083 [13:27] sergiusens, do you know where in the git tree i should search for the code creating the boot.img ? i cant seem to find it in the SGS2 tree [13:32] is the whole flipped thing a transistion to ubuntu only or will there still be kept a lot of android base? [13:32] user82: ill be kept some things ! [13:33] we keep all we need to use the binary blobs [13:33] user82: depends on target device. android bits are used to access hardware sensors and the like. [13:41] ogra_: Just setting BUILDSTAMP as a shell variable in live-build/auto/config will not achieve much of any interest. It needs to actually be written to the output live-build config files. [13:41] ogra_: Could you please test this locally before your next livecd-rootfs upload? [13:41] ok === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|afk === Guest2643 is now known as jishnu7 [13:43] xnox, esigolo so in the end only the kernel? surfaceflinger gone. dalvik was never in there. the android standard library or something? === Guest79110 is now known as JanC [13:52] ogra_: rsalveti: any idea why the flipped images directory doesn't have a changelog? === JanC is now known as Guest3754 === Guest3754 is now known as JanC [13:53] I liked being able to refresh that tab in the morning to see what awaited me [13:56] user82: gps, abient light sensors, webcameras, microphones, sim/3g/gprs/gsm, gyroscopes, hardware volume buttons.... === Stskeepz is now known as Stskeeps [14:00] user82: i think ogra_ can explain it for you ! [14:02] is there currently a pdf reader that works? also should I install samba or is there another networking model proposed? [14:03] xnox: sorry and had not seen your reply === Guest51964 is now known as Tm_T [14:05] e8hffff: you can see the avaliable packages here https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa [14:06] esigolo: thx [14:06] e8hffff: you are welcome ! [14:08] esigolo: it would eb nice to have somewhat usable device while using it fro development [14:08] asac: i don't know if you guys did something but handle the phone with the protection cover become significantly better on the last nightly [14:08] esigolo: for me that means being able to read pdf's and get files off network [14:10] e8hffff: you chan transfer the files over ssh or adb push/pull but i did no see any pdf reader around ! sorry [14:12] mhall119: nobody's written the necessary code to generate that in cdimage [14:12] Will Ubuntu Touch include support for Bluetooth Low Energy | http://askubuntu.com/q/316694 [14:14] rsalveti: any luck with 3g issue? :) [14:17] Why did they remove the terminate app 'X' in the crawler menu. It's good to have the terminate X in bother crawler menu and the lists of apps in the apps-lens [14:18] both... not bother [14:28] esigolo: yeah, needs fixing at the data part [14:29] mhall119: I don't remember if ogra_ was planning to add a similar file in there [14:29] rsalveti: if you need some test ping me =) [14:29] but we need some sort of stamp indeed [14:29] could even be a property or such [14:30] ogra_: yeah, the hybris dep in this case is just for the utilities [14:30] ogra_: you should stop getting the 'device is offline' message now === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === rodarvus` is now known as rodarvus [14:43] rsalveti, mhall119, i was actually hoping we can pull the changelogs of the android packages in instead [14:43] (once they are done) [14:44] ogra_: but I don't think we have any sort of stamp in it, right? [14:44] might be needed later on as well [14:44] to know which image the user is using, and if developer mode is enabled or not [14:44] well, if i wouldnt mess it up all the time there would be a stamp in /var/log/installer/media-info [14:44] got it [14:44] currenntly that has everything but the stamp itself :) [14:47] developer mode will be enabled by touching /data/developer-mode or some such if i read the initrd script right [14:47] so that should be easy to find out :) === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:49] mhall119, the android bits will soon be in a package, you should be able to just read the package changelog for it [14:50] ogra_: cool [14:50] when fginther is back, I'll talk to him about getting useful changelog entries for the core apps [14:50] and if desired we can indeed push it as a .changelog file to the dir (though that seems redundant) [14:51] * ogra_ thinks a link to the LP page of the android packages would proobably be cleverer [14:52] mhall119: ok, just don't make them go to daily release as the plan for core apps is to be a click package [14:52] as in, it's too much work for something we will not need in the near future === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [14:53] well, probably mpt could design something so you can read the changelogs of click packages in the UI [14:53] but i bet thats rather low prio :) [14:54] at least in our current status [14:54] sergiusens: all the core apps are currently built into packages by jenkins on every bzr commit [14:54] mhall119, that will change as soon as we drop apt and switch to click packages [14:54] even for stuff in the default install? [14:54] renato__: cyphermox: tried to debug bug 1195787 here yesterday, but it crashes inside nm when trying to get a gobject cache [14:54] foir all apps as i undeerstood [14:55] probably because it's trying to get an object that's not available anymore, or via wrong index [14:55] either way, we already have packaging and auto-building, it's just that Jenkins doesn't put useful messages in the debian/changelog [14:55] but the problem happens via dbus, so no easy trace [14:55] mhall119, i was surprised too :) [14:55] renato__: would you mind taking a look at that later on? [14:55] this bug is really annoying [14:55] how do I check on a device which image I am running there? I just did a phablet-flash and it seems to have finished without problems, but I have a non-flipped image installed [14:55] mhall119, i would have expected a core to be shipped as part of the image ... but seems thats not desired [14:55] on nexus 10 [14:55] timp: do you have the very latest phablet-tools package? [14:56] rsalveti: I should have fixed this in a mr yesterday... I think [14:56] cyphermox: you only fixed when enabling/disabling wifi [14:56] mhall119: yes, 0.14+13.10.20130704-0ubuntu1 [14:56] cyphermox: it still crashes when trying to change wifi ap [14:56] timp, theoretically it should be in /var/log/installer/media-info, practically there is a bug that doesnt put the stamp in [14:56] mhall119: I flashed a phone with it before and that was fine, but now for the tablet I'm not sure. perhaps that image is not flipped yet? [14:56] oh, right I see [14:56] well it's likely the same crap [14:56] i'll have that fixed before end of the day, so tomorrows image should have it [14:57] cyphermox: probably [14:57] would be awesome if someone could take a look at that [14:57] better if someone that knows vala :-) [14:57] ogra_: I don't have /var/log/installer dir [14:58] timp, well, then you dont run flipped i bet, does adb get you into an ubuntu or into an android env ? [14:58] rsalveti: yes, I'll look soon [14:58] ogra_: into android, so it is not flipped [14:58] yeah [14:58] rsalveti, I can try but I do not have any nm skills, alberto wrote the original code [14:58] just about tired of the pain of trying to build a new kernel :) [14:58] ogra_: so are the images for *all* devices now flipped? [14:58] yes [14:58] Saviq: seems to be part of the latest image already \o/ [14:58] ok, then my flashing went wrong [14:58] but you need to use the latest phablet-tools [14:58] renato__: got it, cyphermox might be the guy for this then :-) [14:58] cyphermox: :-) [14:59] rsalveti, maybe ted can hep on that, he is working on the network indicator now [14:59] ogra_: do you see anything going wrong here? https://pastebin.canonical.com/93871/ [14:59] rsalveti: I'm a bit stuck, you wouldn't have already a backtrace would you? [14:59] why does it download two images? [14:59] cyphermox: I think I have, just a sec [14:59] cjwatson, i guess i should delete the .md5sum files manually ? seems they get carried over once again [15:00] timp, one is all the HW specific stuff, the other is a hw independent ubuntu [15:01] ogra_: will it ever be possible to offer one generic installable image for multiple devices, like we do for desktops? [15:01] do I need to do something special (add -b to phablet-flash?) the first time I install a flipped image? [15:01] mhall119, no ... we could use one image per device but that would waste a lot of space on cdimage [15:02] ogra_: is that a limitation in the way ARM devices are made? [15:02] ogra_: no [15:02] sergiusens, no what ? [15:03] ogra_: I thought that might happen. I'll do it now [15:03] mhall119, that is a limitation in android .... we could merge all zips into one gigantic image but that would waste the users bandwith to download crap he doesnt need [15:03] cjwatson, ah. thx [15:04] mhall119, android is designed in a way that each device needs its own HW bits (esle we wouldnt need to do porting at all) [15:04] they eeven dont use the same kernel [15:04] (done) [15:05] rsalveti, cool [15:05] ogra_: that was for mhall119 :-) [15:05] sergiusens, heh [15:05] cjwatson, thanks ! [15:09] ogra_: I did a phablet-flash -b, and now I get the image that I expected :) [15:09] yay [15:18] Hello! [15:18] popey: can you just confirm something with the rss app does it actually update currently? [15:19] I don't know if this is the right place to ask... since everything will converge to Unity8, will there be a Desktop version of the interface, or will someone using it on the living room desktop be stuck with a Touch interface? === 17WAB03FE is now known as lizardo === lizardo is now known as Guest62039 === Guest62039 is now known as lizardo_ [15:21] ogra_: that's what I thought, too bad === lizardo_ is now known as Guest68340 === Guest68340 is now known as lizardo [15:23] hm, guess this is not the right place to ask either. [15:26] Ubuncat: Same software stack doesn't necessarily mean the same interface behaviour in all respects [15:26] (Not a Unity developer but) I believe the intent is to have it be sensitive to the form factor it's running on to at least some extent [15:27] I'd like to see an option to be able to keep the launcher always-seen on desktops, at least. Its one of the things that made me hate the earlier vesions. [15:28] rsalveti: did you get a backtrace? [15:28] I have to run! So guess we'll see what happens when the thing launches! tata! [15:28] rsalveti: otherwise I'll reflash to android, get the info I need, and then reflash touch and get the backtrace [15:28] cyphermox: got it here, 1 sec, was on a call [15:28] ok [15:29] huh, Ubuncat was someone from Quebec. [15:29] I've never seen them in the loco channel :) [15:30] did we lose the tap-on-indicator to open the general settings page? [15:30] cyphermox: renato__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847118/ [15:30] it seems to do the right thing, but it crashes later [15:31] like, I'm able to change my ap just fine [15:31] guess it's just not updating the internal ap list correctly, might be getting the wrong object with wrong id [15:32] rsalveti: yeah, something is unref'ing an object where it shouldn't [15:32] rsalveti: I think perhaps we're unref'ing something as we destroy the list [15:33] cyphermox: could be === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader === dandrader is now known as dandrader|Afk === dandrader|Afk is now known as dandrader [16:49] pete-woods: FYI: https://code.launchpad.net/~ps-jenkins/nux/latestsnapshot-4.0.2+13.10.20130705-0ubuntu1/+merge/173249 [16:49] (look at the commit message) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [16:50] ah, it was a Wellark who requested it in fact ^ [16:53] barghh! I am trying to make a music app for reading sheet music and making it and having dubtracts ect. I am at the point where I want to make scrolling display for sheet music but I can not figure out how to make a grid view automatic scroll down. I have tried on a timmer but it gets the beats (8/8 8/32 ect) wrong and scrolls on its own . any ideas ? \ [16:55] didrocks: I was confused there! :) [16:55] pete-woods: can I use the card of "EOW"? :) [16:55] didrocks: I think that is fair! [16:55] \o/ === netcurli_ is now known as netcurli [17:02] ls -ltr [17:02] ops [17:02] sorry [17:08] How to fix this ? [17:08] QML debugging is enabled. Only use this in a safe environment. [17:08] file:///home/joseph/Templates/build-Mythbuntu-QML-Desktop_Qt_5_1_0_GCC_32bit-Debug/programs/frontend/qml/Mythbuntu-QML/main.qml:9:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "MythTv": Plugin verification data mismatch in '/home/joseph/Qt5.1.0-RC/5.1.0-rc1/gcc/qml/MythTv/libMythTv.so' [17:08] import MythTv 1.0 [17:08] ^ [17:09] it is compiled with that version of qmake . code is located here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/mythbuntu/mythtv-qml/files/head:/src/MythTv/ [17:32] * cyphermox brb -> lunch [17:50] Kaleo_: how can I un-apply the default styles for an item now? [17:51] previously the calculator was setting the following for TextFields it didn't want to render as text fields: [17:51] ItemStyle.delegate: Item{} [17:54] mhall119: it's not recommended [17:54] mhall119: the calculator was adapted for that [17:55] mhall119: but dalius reverted the adaptation 2 days ago [17:56] mhall119: that he approved for merge 2 days too early [17:56] .. [17:56] mhall119: reapply revision 90 and done [17:56] ok [17:59] loicm: It's been a month, can you take another look at my merge request, https://code.launchpad.net/~spacedout/qtubuntu/fix_opengl_sharing/+merge/163466 === francisco is now known as Guest44759 [18:01] Kaleo_: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/reapply-new-styling/+merge/173261 look good to you? [18:01] Bingo thanks netcurli now to figure out how to make DNSServiceRefDeallocate and other things become defined symbol You Are Awesome ! [18:01] Windows tem got a zip bomb virus !!! and now they are asking for help ! ! they want to mount the lun on linux to remove thje file [18:02] even though I include bonjour/ avhavi libs It still says that class are undefined [18:03] quick question... should i use the latest flipped or preview? [18:04] I wish I had speakers like the ones that I set up each day at work in my office room [18:08] maybe you all could use this lib to make more qml/zeroconf/bonjour/avhavi cross platform like making a qmlelemnt that is like BonjourBackend{ id: ipod ; serviceName: "_ubuntuTouch._tcp" } [18:09] then you all could connect phones to desktops as soon as the device is located on the LAN [18:11] any Ho The Libary is located in Mythbuntu qml frontend that I lam making. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/mythbuntu/mythtv-qml/files/head:/src/zeroConf/ It is all GPL+3 at this point [18:12] seems like it could be used for tvs and also anythign else that has a bonjour register [18:12] could even change the look of the device with signals [18:14] http://doc.qt.digia.com/qq/qq23-bonjour.html [18:39] hello, does anybody know the email client development's status? [19:02] Music app meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting [19:02] anybody around for it? [19:11] done [19:11] hi guys! can anyone tell me when a stable version of ubuntu touch will come one and if it will support my HTC Sensation? i really hate android and with every update it starts lagging more and more :( [19:11] androidHater you can see the supported devices here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [19:12] androidHater: and as far I know there is no ETA about stable version [19:17] stable version should be the 13.10 release along with Ubuntu desktop and server [19:22] Nexus 7: Please help | http://askubuntu.com/q/316803 [19:24] mhall119: yes [19:26] thanks Kaleo_ [19:28] Kaleo_: 13.10 will be the first end user version? [19:28]