[00:09] <manchicken> Howdy.
[00:35] <mhall119> JHOSMAN: you can us console.log() anywhere in QML that uses Javascript
[01:17] <manchicken> Grumble... error: insufficient permissions for device
[01:19] <manchicken> Great... filesystem is toast it seems.
[01:36] <manchicken_> Yay... adb sideload FTW.
[01:39] <esigolo> netsplit oO
[04:22] <leader> how can I ssh to my phone, please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5845612/
[04:41] <leader> which qt is to be installed on ubuntu phone , online installer 32 bit?
[04:46] <RAOF> leader: This one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src
[04:47] <Mirv> leader: for developing, 'ubuntu-sdk', see http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/. on the phone, it should be included in images, but the Qt from Ubuntu archives as pointed out
[05:46] <leader> hi, I'm reading ubuntu wiki, and I just done adb root; adb shell reboot -p , and how my device is not turning on at all
[05:47] <leader> how can I boot it again
[05:53] <leader> gosh so many bugs
[05:54] <leader> we cannot install both ubuntu and androind os in nexus 4
[06:21] <popey_> 05:22:53 < leader> how can I ssh to my phone, please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5845612/
[06:21] <popey_> it's "ssh phablet@<IP>"
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <TobyK> hi, I phablet-flash'd my Nexus 7 but now it's stuck in a boot loop. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[06:59] <TobyK> I'm doing a wipe and reflash, let's see if that helps
[07:02] <TobyK> nope :-( still bootloop...
[08:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday! :-D
[08:33] <deschain> how hard would it be to porting ubuntu to a motorola xt879?
[09:38] <didrocks> ogra_: hey
[09:38] <didrocks> ogra_: "  * aaaand ... manually move all recommends back to depends since the image is
[09:38] <didrocks>     currently built with --no-install-recommends"
[09:38] <didrocks> we still don't install recommends by default, right?
[09:47] <didrocks> Saviq: let's wait for ogra ^ but I guess we'll have to keep them in the seed as long as we don't install recommends :/
[09:48] <Saviq> didrocks, :/
[09:48] <Saviq> didrocks, it's probably to keep the image small
[09:49] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, but then, we have duplication. I would prefer we work on getting recommends both sensible for desktop and phones
[09:49] <didrocks> with eventual alternatives
[09:51] <Saviq> didrocks, I agree
[09:51] <Saviq> dednick, https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1181299 should be fixed with your branch, too, right?
[09:52] <Saviq> dednick, sound controls are broken with your branch, though, I'm afraid
[09:52] <dednick> Saviq: broken?
[09:52] <Saviq> dednick, they don't do anything
[09:52] <dednick> Saviq: and no, it still takes awhile to load the indicators
[09:52] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, but the real bug was that sometimes it came up 'Empty!'
[09:53] <Saviq> dednick, the fact that it takes a while to load them is a different issue
[09:53] <ogra_> didrocks, right
[09:53] <Saviq> dednick, sorry for switching channels, btw :)
[09:53] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, so rejecting your branch :/
[09:53] <didrocks> thanks ogra_
[09:53] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah
[09:54] <Saviq> didrocks, I'll resubmit with just the indicators dropped when we merge them into the shell
[09:54] <didrocks> Saviq: ok
[09:54] <dednick> Saviq: i'm not sure why sometimes it's coming up with empty. I think there may be something going on with the backend
[09:54] <ogra_> i would love to get rid of that evil hack ... but i doubt we'll make it in saucy .... its a hell lot of work to shrink down the deps
[09:54] <Saviq> dednick, ah, didn't see that with your branch, but ok let's revisit later
[09:55] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, it would be worthy though, let's see if we can get a global effort past saucy
[09:55] <dednick> Saviq: ya, seems to be a bit random that there is no content. but only seems to happen with sound
[09:56] <Saviq> dednick, by broken sound controls I mean they don't do anything
[09:56] <ogra_> didrocks, right, that was my plan .... i mean, not that it is important once we dropped apt
[09:56] <Saviq> dednick, let's go back to -unity, btw
[09:56] <didrocks> ogra_: we still need it for building the image, right?
[09:57] <ogra_> yes, but if we need it only for that it isnt that bad to use the option ... it really depends how much apt we will allow beyond that
[09:57] <ogra_> (teh option is carried over into the image setup indeed)
[09:58] <didrocks> yeah, but I think the cleaning for having a good progressive enhancement (converged) story would be needed. Happy to try participating to that effort if it's the plan
[10:08] <Saviq> is sound broken on maguro for anyone else?
[10:08] <Saviq> it's very distorted here and sound controls don't work properly
[10:08] <ogra_> i see the volume controls in the indicator
[10:09] <ogra_> the media player doesnt seem to integrate with pulse yet though
[10:09] <ogra_> so it doesnt have any effect on video playback if you try to adjuts anything
[10:09] <Saviq> ogra_, hmm it works fine on the same image in manta, though
[10:09] <Saviq> can it be a per-device thing?
[10:09] <ogra_> sure, can be a codec thing
[10:10] <Saviq> ogra_, and if you play a video, does it break up badly?
[10:10] <ogra_> i know that pulse isnt completely there yet, let diwic know once he is back from vacation (not exactly sure when that is )
[10:11] <ogra_> Saviq, well, i it is to loud and i get a slight distortion
[10:11] <Saviq> ogra_, how about CPU usage? it feels like it's hogging the CPU here
[10:11] <ogra_> but i think it is caused simply by running at full volume without the ability to adjust
[10:12] <ogra_> hmm, i havent checked on tthe cmdline it surely stays responsive and i can switch apps etc fluidly
[10:12] <Saviq> ogra_, and that's maguro? which image?
[10:12] <ogra_> maguro ... hmm, i think the 03.1 image i didnt upgrade yesterdy
[10:14] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, I'm at 04.2
[10:14] <ogra_> well, i dont think anything changed there
[10:15] <Saviq> ogra_, let's hope it's just me :)
[10:15] <ogra_> well, there are definitely issues with pulse
[10:16] <ogra_> though i wouldnt see why mako would behave any different
[10:23] <ogra_> cjwatson, hmm, so the renaming of the boot img files from armel to armhf seems to leave the armel ones behind, but only in the versioned dirs, /current has just armhf .... i guess we better fix that in livecd-rootfs and create them properly from the start
[10:25] <cjwatson> ogra_: Just rm them on cdimage and don't worry about it
[10:26] <cjwatson> ogra_: It's a known cdimage misfeature
[10:26] <ogra_> you mean manually ?
[10:26] <cjwatson> Yes
[10:26] <cjwatson> You'll only have to do it once - they'll have been carried over from previous builds
[10:26] <ogra_> oh, i didnt get they are just carryover cruft
[10:26] <cjwatson> (I predict)
[10:26] <ogra_> yeah
[10:26] <mhr3> Saviq, wonder where did this come from https://twitter.com/dohbee/status/352844417650008065
[10:27] <didrocks> mhr3: ask him to implement it :)
[10:27] <Saviq> mhr3, I've heard that come up here and there, ignored for the most part...
[10:28] <mhr3> Saviq, and i thought you have a surprise for me :)
[10:28] <Saviq> mhr3, you know, it _could_ work
[10:28] <Saviq> mhr3, but I wouldn't say it'd be QML per se
[10:28] <Saviq> mhr3, it'd be a QML-like language that you'd declare "transformations" from HTML / XML / JSON
[10:29] <Saviq> mhr3, to a set of results
[10:29] <Saviq> mhr3, using XPath / CSS selectors / $json_something
[10:29] <mhr3> ouch, it almost looks like you really thought about it :P
[10:30]  * didrocks heard XPath and feel back 10 years ago
[10:30] <Saviq> mhr3, I wouldn't go as far as enabling JS in there, but the idea is valid
[10:30] <didrocks> when having headaches every evenings :p
[10:30] <Saviq> mhr3, but yeah, academic
[10:30] <mhr3> indeed
[10:30] <mhr3> i do have to agree that if all scopes shared one v8 instance and just did this, it would be quite nice
[10:32] <Saviq> mhr3, exactly
[10:33] <Saviq> mhr3, at least those that are simple translators between data structurse
[10:38] <crawler> Hi folks
[10:39] <crawler> Has  anybody managed to install ubuntu on a VidoN90FHDRK tablet ?
[10:43] <rvr> I've installed a flipped image. How are applications executed now? Before that, I did ubuntu_chroot and executed them
[10:43] <ogra_> cjwatson, hmm, there is something wrong
[10:43] <ogra_> cdimage@nusakan:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current$ ls -l ../20130704.2/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+maguro.zip
[10:43] <ogra_> -rw-rw-r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 31385276 Jul  4 18:59 ../20130704.2/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+maguro.zip
[10:44] <ogra_> seems the numerwed armel+$subarch.zip files are all links to themselves
[10:44] <ogra_> *numbered
[10:45]  * ogra_ wonders why phablet-flash doesnt freak out 
[10:46] <sergiusens> ogra_: it doesn't download from current
[10:46] <ogra_> sergiusens, not talking about current
[10:46] <sergiusens> ogra_: is that just today's build?
[10:46] <ogra_> sergiusens, the files themselves in the versioned dirs  seem to just be links pointing to themselves
[10:47] <ogra_> i was just trying to remove the boot-armel+foo.img stuff that seems to be carried over endlessly and saw that
[10:48] <ogra_> cjwatson, also, wasnt /current supposed to just be a link to the latest dir again instead of being a dir itself ?
[10:48] <sergiusens> you can probably get rid of the .md5sums btw
[10:49] <sergiusens> I don't see an issue when looking through http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130704.2/
[10:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, after i solved that problem
[10:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, look on nusakan directly
[10:49] <sergiusens> oh, details :-)
[10:50] <cjwatson> ogra_: Can you leave it a bit while I get breakfast so I can think properly, and then I'll look?
[10:50] <ogra_> cjwatson, sure
[10:51] <cjwatson> ogra_: Actually, I don't know what you're talking about regarding "links to themselves".  They are not.
[10:52] <ogra_> cdimage@nusakan:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled$ ls -l 20130703.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip
[10:52] <ogra_> -rw-r--r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 46003765 Jul  3 14:41 20130703.1/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip
[10:52] <cjwatson> Yes - so?  That's clearly a regular file, not a symlink
[10:52] <ogra_> hmm
[10:52] <sergiusens> yeah, I'm not seeing the links
[10:52] <sergiusens> only in /current, but they seem correct
[10:53] <sergiusens> tmoenicke: you around?
[10:53]  * ogra_ must be confused ... 
[10:53] <cjwatson> I think you're just getting confused by some red things in colourised ls, which is because it colourises .zip files the same way it does broken symlinks.  Perhaps.
[10:53] <ogra_> yeah, the red was what made me look
[10:54] <ogra_> what confused me was that the output then showed me the linked full path when looking in current
[10:54] <cjwatson> And for current, that's probably just because cdimage needs to be updated to link to the *-boot-armhf-* files properly.
[10:54] <cjwatson> I'll fix that after breakfast.
[10:54] <ogra_> thx
[10:55] <cjwatson> ogra_: linked full path> Well, that's normal for symlinks.
[10:55] <ogra_> well, they were red too :)
[10:55] <cjwatson> No.
[10:55] <ogra_> which usually is a dangling one
[10:56] <cjwatson> I mean, *-boot-armel+* are dangling, yes.  That's genuine, as I mentioned above.
[10:56] <cjwatson> But *-touch-armel+* aren't.  You can tell because the symlink itself is coloured normally, and only its target is red.
[10:57] <cjwatson> (Can I kill *.md5sum yet?  When do we assume people have new enough phablet-tools?)
[10:57] <sergiusens> cjwatson: you can kill it
[10:57] <cjwatson> yay
[10:57] <cjwatson> So we just tell people to upgrade phablet-tools if it goes wrong?
[10:57] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/links-shot.png
[10:57] <ogra_> see the right window, that was what confused me
[10:57] <sergiusens> cjwatson: yeah, well as it is today, they won't be able to use it with an older version anyways
[10:58] <cjwatson> ogra_: Symlink itself in light blue => symlink isn't dangling.
[10:58] <ogra_> right, only the target is red
[10:58] <cjwatson> If it's dangling then the bit on the left of -> will be red too.
[10:58] <ogra_> following the link with ls then gave me a full red output :)
[10:58] <ogra_> yeah
[10:58] <cjwatson> But with no "->".
[10:58] <cjwatson> Thus, not a symlink.
[10:58] <ogra_> right
[10:59] <ogra_> that was my confusion :)
[11:12] <Saviq> ogra_, is there a way with phablet-flash to select an image version to flash?
[11:12] <ogra_> i think so, --list-revisions should show the available ones
[11:12] <ogra_> and -r used with a revision number should install the picked one
[11:14] <sergiusens> Saviq: not yet, need to think of something there
[11:14] <Saviq> sergiusens, k thanks
[11:14] <sergiusens> log me a bug and I won't forget :-)
[11:15] <Saviq> sergiusens, btw, what are the touch-armel+$device zips?
[11:15] <Saviq> sergiusens, can I flash just the touch-armhf one or?
[11:15] <sergiusens> Saviq: touch-armel-$device is the android part
[11:16] <sergiusens> Saviq: you indeed want it
[11:16] <Saviq> sergiusens, the on that's later handled by the lxc package
[11:16] <Saviq> sergiusens, how do I flash it manually, then? after the touch-arhmf?
[11:17] <sergiusens> Saviq: first the $device one, then the touch-armhf.zip
[11:17] <sergiusens> Saviq: needless to say, if you already flashed it in the past, the -p works
[11:18] <Saviq> sergiusens, so if I move a newer image, it will just flash the newest one in there?
[11:18] <Saviq> sergiusens, or is that just the direct path to a dir in phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch/$version?
[11:19] <sergiusens> Saviq: direct path to dir
[11:19] <Saviq> sergiusens, ah, so it is possible :)
[11:19] <sergiusens> phablet-flash -p ~/Downloads/phablet-flash/.*/20130630
[11:19] <sergiusens> Saviq: but you have to have it dowloaded :-)
[11:19] <Saviq> sergiusens, yeah, that's fine
[11:25] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, did you check if adbd still works in the initrd (no /system, no container, no getprop there) when you get into an initrd shell ?
[11:31] <Saviq> sergiusens, bug 1198147
[11:33] <timp> Saviq: phablet-flash --revision?
[11:34] <Saviq> timp, tried --list-revisions?
[11:34] <Saviq> timp, it's a manual thing to tag a certain image
[11:34] <sergiusens> Saviq: ty
[11:34] <Saviq> timp: bug 1194919
[11:34] <timp> Saviq: ah. my assumptions about revisions were wrong
[11:34] <Saviq> wrong
[11:35] <Saviq> timp, I meant bug 1192511
[11:35] <timp> ok, your bug makes sense :)
[11:36] <timp> gmail doesn't work in chromium for me anymore. even after clearing cache/cookies/... :s
[11:49] <cjwatson> ogra_: All fixed now; looks like I'd forgotten a piece when I was doing the boot armel->armhf changeover
[11:54] <cjwatson> ogra_,sergiusens: And I've removed the .md5sum generation now
[12:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, yay, did you start a build ?
[12:06]  * ogra_ would like to see if the stamp writing works too now 
[12:08]  * ogra_ sees nothing running and fires off one
[12:13] <cjwatson> ogra_: There was going to be one in an hour and a bit, so I didn't bother
[12:16]  * ogra_ wonders what that favicon on http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/ is 
[12:22] <ogra_> rsalveti, ah, ingore that, i see you only changed the upstart job, i thought you also added  any code deps on libhybris
[13:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, do you know where in the git tree i should search for the code creating the boot.img ? i cant seem to find it in the SGS2 tree
[13:32] <user82> is the whole flipped thing a transistion to ubuntu only or will there still be kept a lot of android base?
[13:32] <esigolo> user82: ill be kept some things !
[13:33] <ogra_> we keep all we need to use the binary blobs
[13:33] <xnox> user82: depends on target device. android bits are used to access hardware sensors and the like.
[13:41] <cjwatson> ogra_: Just setting BUILDSTAMP as a shell variable in live-build/auto/config will not achieve much of any interest.  It needs to actually be written to the output live-build config files.
[13:41] <cjwatson> ogra_: Could you please test this locally before your next livecd-rootfs upload?
[13:41] <ogra_> ok
[13:43] <user82> xnox, esigolo so in the end only the kernel? surfaceflinger gone. dalvik was never in there. the android standard library or something?
[13:52] <mhall119> ogra_: rsalveti: any idea why the flipped images directory doesn't have a changelog?
[13:53] <mhall119> I liked being able to refresh that tab in the morning to see what awaited me
[13:56] <xnox> user82: gps, abient light sensors, webcameras, microphones, sim/3g/gprs/gsm, gyroscopes, hardware volume buttons....
[14:00] <esigolo> user82: i think ogra_ can explain it for you !
[14:02] <e8hffff> is there currently a pdf reader that works?  also should I install samba or is there another networking model proposed?
[14:03] <esigolo> xnox: sorry and had not seen your reply
[14:05] <esigolo> e8hffff: you can see the avaliable packages here https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa
[14:06] <e8hffff> esigolo: thx
[14:06] <esigolo> e8hffff: you are welcome !
[14:08] <e8hffff> esigolo: it would eb nice to have somewhat usable device while using it fro development
[14:08] <esigolo> asac: i don't know if you guys did something but handle the phone with the protection cover become significantly better on the last nightly
[14:08] <e8hffff> esigolo: for me that means being able to read pdf's and get files off network
[14:10] <esigolo> e8hffff: you chan transfer the files over ssh or adb push/pull but i did no see any pdf reader around ! sorry
[14:12] <cjwatson> mhall119: nobody's written the necessary code to generate that in cdimage
[14:12] <AskUbuntu> Will Ubuntu Touch include support for Bluetooth Low Energy | http://askubuntu.com/q/316694
[14:14] <esigolo> rsalveti: any luck with 3g issue? :)
[14:17] <e8hffff> Why did they remove the terminate app 'X' in the crawler menu. It's good to have the terminate X in bother crawler menu and the lists of apps in the apps-lens
[14:18] <e8hffff> both... not bother
[14:28] <rsalveti> esigolo: yeah, needs fixing at the data part
[14:29] <rsalveti> mhall119: I don't remember if ogra_ was planning to add a similar file in there
[14:29] <esigolo> rsalveti: if you need some test ping me =)
[14:29] <rsalveti> but we need some sort of stamp indeed
[14:29] <rsalveti> could even be a property or such
[14:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, the hybris dep in this case is just for the utilities
[14:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: you should stop getting the 'device is offline' message now
[14:43] <ogra_> rsalveti, mhall119, i was actually hoping we can pull the changelogs of the android packages in instead
[14:43] <ogra_> (once they are done)
[14:44] <rsalveti> ogra_: but I don't think we have any sort of stamp in it, right?
[14:44] <rsalveti> might be needed later on as well
[14:44] <rsalveti> to know which image the user is using, and if developer mode is enabled or not
[14:44] <ogra_> well, if i wouldnt mess it up all the time there would be a stamp in /var/log/installer/media-info
[14:44] <rsalveti> got it
[14:44] <ogra_> currenntly that has everything but the stamp itself :)
[14:47] <ogra_> developer mode will be enabled by touching /data/developer-mode or some such if i read the initrd script right
[14:47] <ogra_> so that should be easy to find out :)
[14:49] <ogra_> mhall119, the android bits will soon be in a package, you should be able to just read the package changelog for it
[14:50] <mhall119> ogra_: cool
[14:50] <mhall119> when fginther is back, I'll talk to him about getting useful changelog entries for the core apps
[14:50] <ogra_> and if desired we can indeed push it as a .changelog file to the dir (though that seems redundant)
[14:51]  * ogra_ thinks a link to the LP page of the android packages would proobably be cleverer
[14:52] <sergiusens> mhall119: ok, just don't make them go to daily release as the plan for core apps is to be a click package
[14:52] <sergiusens> as in, it's too much work for something we will not need in the near future
[14:53] <ogra_> well, probably mpt could design something so you can read the changelogs of click packages in the UI
[14:53] <ogra_> but i bet thats rather low prio :)
[14:54] <ogra_> at least in our current status
[14:54] <mhall119> sergiusens: all the core apps are currently built into packages by jenkins on every bzr commit
[14:54] <ogra_> mhall119, that will change as soon as we drop apt and switch to click packages
[14:54] <mhall119> even for stuff in the default install?
[14:54] <rsalveti> renato__: cyphermox: tried to debug bug 1195787 here yesterday, but it crashes inside nm when trying to get a gobject cache
[14:54] <ogra_> foir all apps as i undeerstood
[14:55] <rsalveti> probably because it's trying to get an object that's not available anymore, or via wrong index
[14:55] <mhall119> either way, we already have packaging and auto-building, it's just that Jenkins doesn't put useful messages in the debian/changelog
[14:55] <rsalveti> but the problem happens via dbus, so no easy trace
[14:55] <ogra_> mhall119, i was surprised too :)
[14:55] <rsalveti> renato__: would you mind taking a look at that later on?
[14:55] <rsalveti> this bug is really annoying
[14:55] <timp> how do I check on a device which image I am running there? I just did a phablet-flash and it seems to have finished without problems, but I have a non-flipped image installed
[14:55] <ogra_> mhall119, i would have expected a core to be shipped as part of the image ... but seems thats not desired
[14:55] <timp> on nexus 10
[14:55] <mhall119> timp: do you have the very latest phablet-tools package?
[14:56] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I should have fixed this in a mr yesterday... I think
[14:56] <rsalveti> cyphermox: you only fixed when enabling/disabling wifi
[14:56] <timp> mhall119: yes, 0.14+13.10.20130704-0ubuntu1
[14:56] <rsalveti> cyphermox: it still crashes when trying to change wifi ap
[14:56] <ogra_> timp, theoretically it should be in /var/log/installer/media-info, practically there is a bug that doesnt put the stamp in
[14:56] <timp> mhall119: I flashed a phone with it before and that was fine, but now for the tablet I'm not sure. perhaps that image is not flipped yet?
[14:56] <cyphermox> oh, right I see
[14:56] <cyphermox> well it's likely the same crap
[14:56] <ogra_> i'll have that fixed before end of the day, so tomorrows image should have it
[14:57] <rsalveti> cyphermox: probably
[14:57] <rsalveti> would be awesome if someone could take a look at that
[14:57] <rsalveti> better if someone that knows vala :-)
[14:57] <timp> ogra_: I don't have /var/log/installer dir
[14:58] <ogra_> timp, well, then you dont run flipped i bet, does adb get you into an ubuntu or into an android env ?
[14:58] <cyphermox> rsalveti: yes, I'll look soon
[14:58] <timp> ogra_: into android, so it is not flipped
[14:58] <ogra_> yeah
[14:58] <renato__> rsalveti, I can try but I do not have any nm skills, alberto wrote the original code
[14:58] <cyphermox> just about tired of the pain of trying to build a new kernel :)
[14:58] <timp> ogra_: so are the images for *all* devices now flipped?
[14:58] <ogra_> yes
[14:58] <rsalveti> Saviq: seems to be part of the latest image already \o/
[14:58] <timp> ok, then my flashing went wrong
[14:58] <ogra_> but you need to use the latest phablet-tools
[14:58] <rsalveti> renato__: got it, cyphermox might be the guy for this then :-)
[14:58] <rsalveti> cyphermox: :-)
[14:59] <renato__> rsalveti, maybe ted can hep on that, he is working on the network indicator now
[14:59] <timp> ogra_: do you see anything going wrong here? https://pastebin.canonical.com/93871/
[14:59] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I'm a bit stuck, you wouldn't have already a backtrace would you?
[14:59] <timp> why does it download two images?
[14:59] <rsalveti> cyphermox: I think I have, just a sec
[14:59] <ogra_> cjwatson, i guess i should delete the .md5sum files manually ? seems they get carried over once again
[15:00] <ogra_> timp, one is all the HW specific stuff, the other is a hw independent ubuntu
[15:01] <mhall119> ogra_: will it ever be possible to offer one generic installable image for multiple devices, like we do for desktops?
[15:01] <timp> do I  need to do something special (add -b to phablet-flash?) the first time I install a flipped image?
[15:01] <ogra_> mhall119, no ... we could use one image per device but that would waste a lot of space on cdimage
[15:02] <mhall119> ogra_: is that a limitation in the way ARM devices are made?
[15:02] <sergiusens> ogra_: no
[15:02] <ogra_> sergiusens, no what ?
[15:03] <cjwatson> ogra_: I thought that might happen.  I'll do it now
[15:03] <ogra_> mhall119, that is a limitation in android .... we could merge all zips into one gigantic image but that would waste the users bandwith to download crap he doesnt need
[15:03] <ogra_> cjwatson, ah. thx
[15:04] <ogra_> mhall119, android is designed in a way that each device needs its own HW bits (esle we wouldnt need to do porting at all)
[15:04] <ogra_> they eeven dont use the same kernel
[15:04] <cjwatson> (done)
[15:05] <Saviq> rsalveti, cool
[15:05] <sergiusens> ogra_: that was for mhall119 :-)
[15:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, heh
[15:05] <ogra_> cjwatson, thanks !
[15:09] <timp> ogra_: I did a phablet-flash -b, and now I get the image that I expected :)
[15:09] <ogra_> yay
[15:18] <Ubuncat> Hello!
[15:18] <davmor2> popey: can you just confirm something with the rss app does it actually update currently?
[15:19] <Ubuncat> I don't know if this is the right place to ask... since everything will converge to Unity8, will there be a Desktop version of the interface, or will someone using it on the living room desktop be stuck with a Touch interface?
[15:21] <mhall119> ogra_: that's what I thought, too bad
[15:23] <Ubuncat> hm, guess this is not the right place to ask either.
[15:26] <cjwatson> Ubuncat: Same software stack doesn't necessarily mean the same interface behaviour in all respects
[15:26] <cjwatson> (Not a Unity developer but) I believe the intent is to have it be sensitive to the form factor it's running on to at least some extent
[15:27] <Ubuncat> I'd like to see an option to be able to keep the launcher always-seen on desktops, at least. Its one of the things that made me hate the earlier vesions.
[15:28] <cyphermox> rsalveti: did you get a backtrace?
[15:28] <Ubuncat> I have to run! So guess we'll see what happens when the thing launches! tata!
[15:28] <cyphermox> rsalveti: otherwise I'll reflash to android, get the info I need, and then reflash touch and get the backtrace
[15:28] <rsalveti> cyphermox: got it here, 1 sec, was on a call
[15:28] <cyphermox> ok
[15:29] <cyphermox> huh, Ubuncat was someone from Quebec.
[15:29] <cyphermox> I've never seen them in the loco channel :)
[15:30] <mhall119> did we lose the tap-on-indicator to open the general settings page?
[15:30] <rsalveti> cyphermox: renato__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847118/
[15:30] <rsalveti> it seems to do the right thing, but it crashes later
[15:31] <rsalveti> like, I'm able to change my ap just fine
[15:31] <rsalveti> guess it's just not updating the internal ap list correctly, might be getting the wrong object with wrong id
[15:32] <cyphermox> rsalveti: yeah, something is unref'ing an object where it shouldn't
[15:32] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I think perhaps we're unref'ing something as we destroy the list
[15:33] <rsalveti> cyphermox: could be
[16:49] <didrocks> pete-woods: FYI: https://code.launchpad.net/~ps-jenkins/nux/latestsnapshot-4.0.2+13.10.20130705-0ubuntu1/+merge/173249
[16:49] <didrocks> (look at the commit message)
[16:50] <didrocks> ah, it was a Wellark who requested it in fact ^
[16:53] <joseph_thegreat> barghh! I am trying to make a music app for reading sheet music and making it and having dubtracts ect. I am at the point where I want to make scrolling display for sheet  music but I can not figure out how to make a grid view automatic scroll down. I have tried on a timmer but it gets the beats (8/8 8/32 ect) wrong and scrolls on its own .  any ideas ?  \
[16:55] <pete-woods> didrocks: I was confused there! :)
[16:55] <didrocks> pete-woods: can I use the card of "EOW"? :)
[16:55] <pete-woods> didrocks: I think that is fair!
[16:55] <didrocks> \o/
[17:02] <esigolo> ls -ltr
[17:02] <esigolo> ops
[17:02] <esigolo> sorry
[17:08] <bobweaver> How to fix this ?
[17:08] <bobweaver> QML debugging is enabled. Only use this in a safe environment.
[17:08] <bobweaver> file:///home/joseph/Templates/build-Mythbuntu-QML-Desktop_Qt_5_1_0_GCC_32bit-Debug/programs/frontend/qml/Mythbuntu-QML/main.qml:9:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "MythTv": Plugin verification data mismatch in '/home/joseph/Qt5.1.0-RC/5.1.0-rc1/gcc/qml/MythTv/libMythTv.so'
[17:08] <bobweaver>      import  MythTv 1.0
[17:08] <bobweaver>      ^
[17:09] <bobweaver> it is compiled with that version of qmake . code is located here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/mythbuntu/mythtv-qml/files/head:/src/MythTv/
[17:32]  * cyphermox brb -> lunch
[17:50] <mhall119> Kaleo_: how can I un-apply the default styles for an item now?
[17:51] <mhall119> previously the calculator was setting the following for TextFields it didn't want to render as text fields:
[17:51] <mhall119> ItemStyle.delegate: Item{}
[17:54] <Kaleo_> mhall119: it's not recommended
[17:54] <Kaleo_> mhall119: the calculator was adapted for that
[17:55] <Kaleo_> mhall119: but dalius reverted the adaptation 2 days ago
[17:56] <Kaleo_> mhall119: that he approved for merge 2 days too early
[17:56] <Kaleo_> ..
[17:56] <Kaleo_> mhall119: reapply revision 90 and done
[17:56] <mhall119> ok
[17:59] <SpacedOut> loicm: It's been a month, can you take another look at my merge request, https://code.launchpad.net/~spacedout/qtubuntu/fix_opengl_sharing/+merge/163466
[18:01] <mhall119> Kaleo_: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/reapply-new-styling/+merge/173261 look good to you?
[18:01] <bobweaver> Bingo thanks netcurli  now to figure out how to make DNSServiceRefDeallocate and other things become defined symbol You Are Awesome !
[18:01] <esigolo> Windows tem got a zip bomb virus !!! and now they are asking for help ! !  they want to mount the lun on linux to remove thje file
[18:02] <bobweaver> even though I include bonjour/ avhavi libs It still says that class are undefined
[18:03] <dixeflatline> quick question... should i use the latest flipped or preview?
[18:04] <bobweaver> I wish I had speakers like the ones that I set up each day at work in my office room
[18:08] <bobweaver> maybe you all could use this lib to make more qml/zeroconf/bonjour/avhavi cross platform like making a qmlelemnt that is like               BonjourBackend{ id: ipod  ; serviceName:  "_ubuntuTouch._tcp"  }
[18:09] <bobweaver> then you all could connect phones to desktops as soon as the device is located on the LAN
[18:11] <bobweaver> any Ho  The Libary is located in Mythbuntu qml frontend that I lam making.  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/mythbuntu/mythtv-qml/files/head:/src/zeroConf/      It is all GPL+3 at this point
[18:12] <bobweaver> seems like it could be used for tvs and also anythign else that has a bonjour register
[18:12] <bobweaver> could even change the look of the device with signals
[18:14] <bobweaver> http://doc.qt.digia.com/qq/qq23-bonjour.html
[18:39] <Valerio> hello, does anybody know the email client development's status?
[19:02] <mhall119> Music app meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[19:02] <mhall119> anybody around for it?
[19:11] <esigolo> done
[19:11] <androidHater>  hi guys! can anyone tell me when a stable version of ubuntu touch will come one and if it will support my HTC Sensation? i really hate android and with every update it starts lagging more and more :(
[19:11] <esigolo> androidHater you can see the supported devices here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[19:12] <esigolo> androidHater: and as far I know there is no ETA about stable version
[19:17] <mhall119> stable version should be the 13.10 release along with Ubuntu desktop and server
[19:22] <AskUbuntu> Nexus 7: Please help | http://askubuntu.com/q/316803
[19:24] <Kaleo_> mhall119: yes
[19:26] <mhall119> thanks Kaleo_
[19:28] <esigolo> Kaleo_: 13.10 will be the first end user version?
[19:28] <mhall119> esigolo: I think he was replying to something I asked a while ago
[19:29] <esigolo> mhall119: ohh ok sorry
[19:32] <mhall119> Clock app meeting time in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[19:34] <esigolo> mhall119: can I join just to watch?
[19:34] <nik90> esigolo: ofcourse. Come along
[19:34] <nik90> its a public meeting
[19:34] <esigolo> thanks
[20:07] <rsalveti> cyphermox: any luck with either nm or indicator-server?
[20:22] <cyphermox> rsalveti: nah
[20:22] <cyphermox> I don't understand what's up
[20:23] <cyphermox> rsalveti: It's not an issue in NM, that's for sure, it's just doing what it should, and this is pretty core stuff
[20:23] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yeah, yesterday I removed most of the code there dealing with the aps, and still crashing
[20:23] <cyphermox> the only thing I could explain was if there was some issue in glib or memory corruption
[20:23] <rsalveti> right
[20:23] <cyphermox> otherwise there's some piece with indicator-server that's not doing the right thing
[20:23] <cyphermox> seems to me like it happens when the active ap changes
[20:24] <rsalveti> exactly
[20:24] <rsalveti> let me reflash the latest raring tagged build to see
[20:24] <rsalveti> try to isolate what causes it
[20:24] <cyphermox> ah, good idea
[20:24] <cyphermox> I'll take the time to reflash to android now, I need to get back to figuring out what piece is missing for bluetooth on the mako for ttyHS0
[20:25] <rsalveti> cyphermox: right
[20:26] <rsalveti> cyphermox: would you mind updating the nm ofono code later on as well? just to wait for the attached property
[20:26] <rsalveti> that would probably make my phone to work safely with data
[20:26] <rsalveti> otherwise I can try something locally, but I believe you'll fix that in 10 minutes :-)
[20:27] <cyphermox> sure
[20:48] <AskUbuntu> When are you going 2 release Ubuntu phone os | http://askubuntu.com/q/316832
[20:52] <esigolo> popey: rsalveti I can safely say that is not an ETA to ubuntu touch ?
[20:53] <rsalveti> esigolo: there will be a release together with 13.10 that should be quite usable already
[20:53] <rsalveti> which should probably be the first release
[20:53] <esigolo> Greate :)
[20:53] <esigolo> Great*
[20:55] <esigolo> there is any way to test gps?
[20:56] <rsalveti> there's only a test software for the api, I believe the localization service will land next week
[20:57] <rsalveti> ops, *location service
[20:59] <arges> hi. whats the command for cleaning out all the pre-populated music/contacts/messages after a fresh phablet-flash?
[21:00] <esigolo> arges: sudo apt-get remove demo* !! Like demo-assets-pictures
[21:00] <sergiusens> arges: apt-get remove demo-assets-videos demo-assets-music
[21:00] <arges> esigolo: sergiusens : thanks!
[21:00] <esigolo> arges: welcome !
[21:01] <esigolo> arges: just remember you have to connect over ssh or adb shell
[21:09] <brokolica> hello
[21:09] <esigolo> brokolica: hello
[21:11] <brokolica> i have one question sorry my english :-\  is a ubuntu touch possible install to tablet iconia tab A500 ?
[21:11] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices is the devices list
[21:12] <rsalveti> cyphermox: indicator-server from trunk works fine with raring
[21:13] <rsalveti> will try to build with the latest nm now
[21:13] <brokolica> isnt there :'(
[21:15] <esigolo> brokolica: so unfortunately you got to wait until somebody port it
[21:15] <arges> maybe there is a wiki for this but... how do I see newly installed apps after i install via shell? Do I need to restart the tablet, or do a unity --refresh ? or some command
[21:15] <popey> you should see them in the app lens
[21:16] <brokolica> thanks i hope so much :-D maybe one day
[21:17] <arges> popey: hmm. doesn't seem to be showing up. I did an 'apt-get install touch-coreapps' via adb shell, and don't see any of the additional apps
[21:18] <popey> did you add the ppa first?
[21:18] <popey> oh, you need to restart unity, yes
[21:18] <arges> no didn't add PPA just whatevers in the archive
[21:19] <popey> quickest is just reboot, but there is a way to restart the session
[21:19] <popey> i just don't have the command (or phone) near me right now
[21:19] <arges> just trying to dogfood a bit, and wanted to try out things i normally do (like read PDFs)
[21:20] <arges> popey: cool rebooting thanks
[21:23] <joobie> hey guys.. i was reading xda-developers to find a ROM for my phone and bumped into Ubuntu Touch ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2331876 )
[21:23] <joobie> is it stable?
[21:25] <popey> joobie: define stable ☻
[21:25] <popey> its under constant development, getting new releases of apps and libraries frequently
[21:27] <joobie> popey, can i use SMS, Phone Calls, Email (Exchange Sync), Contacts, Calendars?
[21:27] <joobie> speakerphone, bluetooth
[21:28] <joobie> those kinda standard functions, without it crashing on me ? :P
[21:28] <joobie> i use my phone day to day so need it to work.. but dont mind the occasional reboot
[21:28] <sergiusens> wait until october
[21:29] <popey> some of those features done exist yet
[21:31] <joobie> which ones do?
[21:31] <joobie> looks cool via youtube btw
[21:32] <joobie> i might be able to compromise some of those feature s:P
[21:33] <popey> well, as it's under active development right now any of those apps can crash or stop working in a daily build, despite our best intentions
[21:34] <joobie> ahh
[21:34] <joobie> but do they all exist ?
[21:35] <joobie> willing to give it a go if so to see how much they do crash
[21:35] <popey> nope
[21:35] <joobie> which ones are missing?
[21:36] <popey> we have sms, phone, contacts, calendar is not finished.
[21:37] <popey> speakerphone and bluetooth aren't done yet.
[21:38] <joobie> ahh ok
[21:38] <joobie> ill have to wait then
[21:38] <joobie> damn :) it looks like a great interface
[21:38] <popey> it is ☻
[21:38] <joobie> are there plans ot make it support activesync (exchange) ?
[21:44] <popey> not in the platform, but perhaps in the apps
[21:47] <arges> ok last question from me for the day... if I want to run an app via the command line, is there a variable I need to export for the display server ? i.e. (DISPLAY=:0.0 program)
[21:47] <popey> that wont work, the phone doesn't ship with X
[21:47] <arges> popey: i'm aware, but an equivalent for mir
[21:52] <cyphermox> rsalveti: could be an issue that is caused by the new glib/gmenumodel and stuffs
[21:52] <cyphermox> I mean, that wifi code hasn't changed :)
[21:52] <cyphermox> gah
[21:52] <cyphermox> why this mess with the Attached property and so many things that ofono can't just DO on it's own
[21:53] <cyphermox> it makes for so many corner cases to work around, stuff to check and poll for etc. just really ugly code
[21:57] <rsalveti> cyphermox: don't you have a similar attached property for the modem manager side?
[21:57] <rsalveti> it makes sense to have such state it seems
[21:57] <cyphermox> no
[21:57] <cyphermox> or, maybe, but it's not so complicated
[21:57] <cyphermox> and actually, there probably just isn't, we can just check the registration status on the go
[21:58] <cyphermox> and you know, do the right magic to prod MM to the right state
[21:59] <rsalveti> right
[22:00] <rsalveti> but in our case can't we just track attached instead of on-line, for example?
[22:00] <rsalveti> as I believe that is what we want anyway, as we don't do anything differently with ofono yet, just data
[22:07] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yeah, works with saucy's nm
[22:07] <rsalveti> trying new glib
[23:49] <newbie_> hey all