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redtape|renegadeMir-ning All .. It would be brilliant if Ubuntu could do this kind of website , but for Ubuntu Links ... :: http://bit.ly/16asUNS :: (Pearltrees.com)06:43
knightwisehey guys06:59
MartijnVdS\o knightwise06:59
dwatkinsredtape|renegade: just install a tag cloud module07:02
diploMorning all07:17
popey29125 alan      20   0 4872m 161m 8448 S   0.0  2.1   5:59.52 rhythmbox07:44
popeyle sigh07:44
MartijnVdSpopey: do the notifications go wild when you skip a song as well?07:59
MartijnVdSpopey: if I skip more than one song, the notification starts lagging behind07:59
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MooDoo_morning all08:04
popeynot seen that MartijnVdS08:07
popeyi do get annoyed that when I close the app it says "Not Playing" in a notification08:07
MartijnVdSpopey: that too08:07
redtape|renegadepopey: Is clementine applicable ?08:08
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Friday! :-D08:20
SuperMattit is indeed a happy friday08:21
SuperMattthe sun is shining08:21
SuperMattand it's the first day of the London Film and Comic Con08:22
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SuperMattI shall be meeting up this evening with fellow nerds, and then hittin the pub. I'm sure most of us will be in costume08:23
JamesTaitSuperMatt, sounds like a great day!08:23
SuperMatt I just wish I wasn't in work for most of it08:23
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brobostigongood morning everyone,08:53
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:31
MooDoomorning bigcalm09:43
brobostigonmorning bigcalm and MooDoo09:45
Laney\o/ huge bag of leaf tea just turned up09:45
Laney<3 subscribe & save09:46
MartijnV1SLaney: subscribe & save++09:50
Laneyit was timed *perfectly*09:50
Laneyfinished the dregs off this morning09:51
=== MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS
redtape|renegadeIs the XPS 13 Ultrabook™ Laptop, Developer Edition new ?, Or have they had it out for a while ? [ review :: http://bit.ly/10DjN9I ]09:59
redtape|renegadesoz .. missed the product WebLink ... ::: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd :::10:00
davmor2Happy Friday everyone10:01
MooDoohallo davmor sir10:02
davmor2MooDoo: 'Ow am ya?10:03
redtape|renegadedavmor2: Happy Tynwald Day ,.. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tynwald-Day/11583650846348110:03
MooDoodavmor2: good good thanks10:09
diploany c++ peeps in here ?10:22
MartijnVdSdiplo: !ask :P10:22
diploI was just about to type but got distracted :)10:22
diploWe have a largish c++ program, one of customer sites it's crashing10:23
MartijnVdSdiplo: install unstripped binaries, get core dumps, run gdb?10:23
diploWe're compiling with a -g flag to get it to core dump but it's not doing that, any tips on where to look when our 2 devs are out ?10:23
MartijnVdSdiplo: -g doesn't give a core dump by itself10:23
MartijnVdSyou need to set ulimit as well10:23
mgdmdiplo: 'ulimit -c unlimited'10:23
diploah, yes that is set as well10:23
diploSorry, forgot to mention that part10:24
mgdmdoes it say 'core dumped' on crash?10:24
MartijnVdSdoes it have rights to write in `pwd`?10:24
MartijnVdS(its cwd)10:24
mgdmalso check the contents of /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern10:24
mgdmthe core dumps might be going elsewhere10:24
mgdm(like /var)10:24
diploIt doesn't write/do anything, just crashes so we don't know where to look10:24
diploIt's running as root MartijnVdS so I guess so, but will check tha tnow10:25
mgdmdiplo: strace /path/to/binary10:25
diploAh, why didn't i think of strace !10:25
mgdmdiplo: might give you a clue10:25
MartijnVdSor gdb /path/to/binary -> run10:25
MartijnVdSthen ask *it* for a backtrace on crash10:25
diploOK a few things to look at10:25
mgdmtry strace first, it's a lot faster than gdb10:25
ali1234go directly to valgrind10:25
diplokk, doesn't crash straight away... we think it's related to one of our report modules but can't replicate locally10:25
MartijnVdSali1234: Lose ALL the performance!10:26
mgdmvalgrind is even slower than gdb10:26
ali1234it is also the most useful10:26
diplocore_pattern just has the word "core" inside it10:27
diploWill run with strace next thank you10:27
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MooDooi have serpents in my brain - https://www.facebook.com/ChristiansAgainstSlipknot/posts/63816277621133010:45
MooDoosorry for the OT post lol10:45
diploheh that's great, love some of the replies10:52
diploCheers guys, we're running strace against the program now and hope it crashes :)10:52
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slvrincredibly silly iptables question11:14
slvrthis is my simple iptables script: http://pastebin.com/S1w9Y43R11:14
slvrunfortunately, it fails on the last two lines, as follows:11:14
slvr# /sbin/iptables -t filter -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 84 --jump ACCEPT11:14
slvriptables: No chain/target/match by that name.11:14
slvrand I simply cannot spot the mistake11:15
MartijnVdSslvr: table "filter" doesn't have an INPUT chain11:15
MartijnVdSslvr: try "iptables -t filter -L" to see which ones it does have11:16
MartijnVdSit should11:17
davmor2but lo what light through yonder window breaks it is the sun (Summers here make the most of it people)11:18
slvriptables -t filter -L: http://pastebin.com/c6JjWv6Z11:19
MartijnVdSslvr: ah, filter is the default table11:19
slvrI'm thinking it's choking on --protocol tcp but I can't see how11:20
MartijnVdSit shouldn't11:20
MartijnVdSthat line worked for me11:20
czajkowskipopey: how do you start an on air on hangouts11:22
slvrYelch. It's a VPS anyhow. Xen, so it won't be a module issue. I'll just reinstall and see what happens.11:22
MartijnVdSslvr: still could be a module issue though11:23
slvrI've modprobed everything I could think of.11:23
MartijnVdSslvr: nah iptables should do that itself11:25
MartijnVdSbut I don't know how xen and iptables interact11:26
slvrmmm, looking through my history apparently it worked a few months ago when I first set this up11:26
slvrso it's something between now and then11:26
slvreh, a reinstall will probably fix, so I'll do that.11:27
MartijnVdSslvr: was the kernel upgraded?11:29
slvrah, I hadn't thought to check11:30
slvrand yes it was11:30
slvr(for future reference: the xt_tcpudp wasn't there for some weird reason)11:33
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dogmatic69anyone know what the settings are that makes ubuntu's screen grab work?12:07
dogmatic69trying to make xfce do the same (eg: alt+prnt screen for current window)12:07
dwatkinsapparently it's in ccsm, dogmatic6912:07
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dwatkins"you can change the shortcut by installing compizconfig-settings-manager from the software centre, launching it, then clicking on "Ubuntu Unity plugin", then switching the HUD key."12:08
bashrcI thought it was just the PrtSc button, but may be different on xfce12:08
dwatkinsthere's probably something in the xfce config file you can set to bind the key.12:08
dogmatic69dwatkins: I know where to do it, was looking more for the command, think I got it now thanks.12:09
dwatkinsah ok cool12:09
dogmatic69dwatkins: did you know the name of the ubuntu screen grab thing?12:10
dogmatic69cant seem to bind alt+print to anything, both work without the other just not together :(12:15
dwatkinsno idea, sorry dogmatic69 - looks like it changed in 13.04 anyway12:21
dwatkinsor perhaps I misinterpretted that title12:22
ormiretdogmatic69: does xev see alt+PrntScrn as something different to PrintScrn?12:22
ormiretan app to print x events to the terminal12:32
czajkowskibah simple scan is proving to be not so simple12:55
czajkowskirefuses to scan :(12:55
czajkowskicant get hplip to run to add it via ip address either12:59
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* DJones throws davmor2 on bbq and gets a bun ready15:15
redtape|renegadeOn bumm .. A group of Royal Commandos has just pulled up and heading towards the hotel next but one . The ladies in the hotel next door are putting on lipstick .. i.e. I'm never going to get any sleep tonight . [mutley expressions].15:24
redtape|renegadeI guess they're part of the Tynwald celebations .. but I suppose it'll quieten down after the weekend.15:25
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popeyAfternoon all!15:48
* bigcalm drums fingers waiting for a Rackspace cloud server to finish imaging15:51
SuperMattis it a biggun?15:52
bigcalm40GB disc, is that big?15:52
bigcalmTaking its sweet time though15:52
SuperMatthurm, shouldn't take all that long, from what I remember15:53
bigcalmGetting to 25% wasn't too bad15:58
bigcalmIt's been sitting at 50% for a long time now15:58
SuperMattwell the rackspace support is pretty good15:58
SuperMattdrop them a  line15:58
bigcalmI've got other things to do. Will bug them if needed later15:58
bigcalmYay, it finished16:02
SuperMattalmost home time y'all16:22
bigcalmWoop woop16:29
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=== hamitron__ is now known as hamitron
hamitrondoes chrome use less cpu than firefox on ubuntu?18:56
popeydepends who you ask19:02
popeysome people find chrome less, smoe find firefox less19:02
hamitronhmmm, ok, at least you haven't given a biased view19:03
hamitronthink I'll just try it anyway19:04
hamitroninstall things on this system before I clean it up19:04
popeyi use chromium19:05
popeyi found firefox too cpu eaty19:05
hamitronI did actually mean chromium19:05
hamitronff was taking 2 cpu cores most of the time19:06
hamitronnot something I want in these weather conditions19:06
* hamitron dreams19:07
hamitronif only....19:08
redtape|renegadeYay \o/ :: Flattr.net the microdonations site is potentially adding bitcoin support .. but only if they get people to say yes on this blog :::  http://blog.flattr.net/2013/07/adding-bitcoin-support/  ::: Plz do so if you completely agree in priciple.19:34
redtape|renegade**principle .. ahem.19:34
* MartijnVdS wonders what to do19:42
DaraelHmm.  I don't disagree in principle with adding bitcoin support to Flattr.  I do, however, tend on principle not to follow advice given with colons used for formatting rather than punctuation.19:56
DaraelCall me a snob if you will, but...19:57
bashrcIf you have a project which is raising donations in bitcoind it's probably easier just to show an address or a QR code on your site, rather than go through Flattr and have them take 10%19:58
DaraelTrue enough.19:58
bashrcBut if they're now using bitcoin that is a sign that it's becoming more mainstream19:59
DaraelI suppose it depends on the details - if Flattr are planning to sell the BTC and pass 90% of the result on, there's a convenience argument.  On the other hand, it doesn't really do much for BTC adoption that way, does it?20:00
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^SnakeQuestion about File Systems for Ubuntu, I have a Vista Laptop, hard drive is partitioned (& formatted) in NTFS for Vista in C Drive (Vista OS), & E Drive (personal files). The D Drive will be for Ubuntu. Is there any preference for what FS to use for Ubuntu?23:21
^SnakeAn article I was reading said it's not good to install Ubuntu onto NTFS due to certain file attributes. Another article said you can't install onto NTFS, incompatibilities. But when you choose to install Ubuntu, you have the option to install into the same drive as Windows, which is NTFS anyway?23:23
^SnakeSo is there a FS I should choose over NTFS for Ubuntu?23:23

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