[06:43] <redtape|renegade> Mir-ning All .. It would be brilliant if Ubuntu could do this kind of website , but for Ubuntu Links ... :: http://bit.ly/16asUNS :: (Pearltrees.com)
[06:59] <knightwise> hey guys
[06:59] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[07:01] <dwatkins> mornin
[07:02] <dwatkins> redtape|renegade: just install a tag cloud module
[07:17] <diplo> Morning all
[07:44] <popey> 29125 alan      20   0 4872m 161m 8448 S   0.0  2.1   5:59.52 rhythmbox
[07:44] <popey> le sigh
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: do the notifications go wild when you skip a song as well?
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: if I skip more than one song, the notification starts lagging behind
[08:04] <MooDoo_> morning all
[08:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:07] <feisar__> morning
[08:07] <popey> not seen that MartijnVdS
[08:07] <popey> i do get annoyed that when I close the app it says "Not Playing" in a notification
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: that too
[08:08] <redtape|renegade> popey: Is clementine applicable ?
[08:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday! :-D
[08:21] <SuperMatt> it is indeed a happy friday
[08:21] <SuperMatt> the sun is shining
[08:22] <SuperMatt> and it's the first day of the London Film and Comic Con
[08:23] <SuperMatt> I shall be meeting up this evening with fellow nerds, and then hittin the pub. I'm sure most of us will be in costume
[08:23] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, sounds like a great day!
[08:23] <SuperMatt>  I just wish I wasn't in work for most of it
[08:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:43] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:45] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm and MooDoo
[09:45] <Laney> \o/ huge bag of leaf tea just turned up
[09:46] <Laney> <3 subscribe & save
[09:50] <MartijnV1S> Laney: subscribe & save++
[09:50] <Laney> it was timed *perfectly*
[09:51] <Laney> finished the dregs off this morning
[09:59] <redtape|renegade> Is the XPS 13 Ultrabook™ Laptop, Developer Edition new ?, Or have they had it out for a while ? [ review :: http://bit.ly/10DjN9I ]
[10:00] <redtape|renegade> soz .. missed the product WebLink ... ::: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd :::
[10:01] <davmor2> Happy Friday everyone
[10:02] <MooDoo> hallo davmor sir
[10:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: 'Ow am ya?
[10:03] <redtape|renegade> davmor2: Happy Tynwald Day ,.. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tynwald-Day/115836508463481
[10:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: good good thanks
[10:22] <diplo> any c++ peeps in here ?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> diplo: !ask :P
[10:22] <diplo> :D
[10:22] <diplo> I was just about to type but got distracted :)
[10:23] <diplo> We have a largish c++ program, one of customer sites it's crashing
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> diplo: install unstripped binaries, get core dumps, run gdb?
[10:23] <diplo> We're compiling with a -g flag to get it to core dump but it's not doing that, any tips on where to look when our 2 devs are out ?
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> diplo: -g doesn't give a core dump by itself
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> you need to set ulimit as well
[10:23] <mgdm> diplo: 'ulimit -c unlimited'
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> mgdm++
[10:23] <diplo> ah, yes that is set as well
[10:24] <diplo> Sorry, forgot to mention that part
[10:24] <mgdm> does it say 'core dumped' on crash?
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> does it have rights to write in `pwd`?
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> (its cwd)
[10:24] <mgdm> also check the contents of /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[10:24] <mgdm> the core dumps might be going elsewhere
[10:24] <mgdm> (like /var)
[10:24] <diplo> It doesn't write/do anything, just crashes so we don't know where to look
[10:25] <diplo> It's running as root MartijnVdS so I guess so, but will check tha tnow
[10:25] <mgdm> diplo: strace /path/to/binary
[10:25] <diplo> Ah, why didn't i think of strace !
[10:25] <mgdm> diplo: might give you a clue
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> or gdb /path/to/binary -> run
[10:25] <diplo> Ta
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> then ask *it* for a backtrace on crash
[10:25] <diplo> OK a few things to look at
[10:25] <mgdm> try strace first, it's a lot faster than gdb
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> true
[10:25] <ali1234> go directly to valgrind
[10:25] <diplo> kk, doesn't crash straight away... we think it's related to one of our report modules but can't replicate locally
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Lose ALL the performance!
[10:26] <mgdm> valgrind is even slower than gdb
[10:26] <ali1234> yes
[10:26] <ali1234> it is also the most useful
[10:27] <diplo> core_pattern just has the word "core" inside it
[10:27] <diplo> Will run with strace next thank you
[10:45] <MooDoo> i have serpents in my brain - https://www.facebook.com/ChristiansAgainstSlipknot/posts/638162776211330
[10:45] <MooDoo> sorry for the OT post lol
[10:52] <diplo> heh that's great, love some of the replies
[10:52] <diplo> Cheers guys, we're running strace against the program now and hope it crashes :)
[11:14] <slvr> incredibly silly iptables question
[11:14] <slvr> this is my simple iptables script: http://pastebin.com/S1w9Y43R
[11:14] <slvr> unfortunately, it fails on the last two lines, as follows:
[11:14] <slvr> # /sbin/iptables -t filter -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 84 --jump ACCEPT
[11:14] <slvr> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[11:15] <slvr> and I simply cannot spot the mistake
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> slvr: table "filter" doesn't have an INPUT chain
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> slvr: try "iptables -t filter -L" to see which ones it does have
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> wait
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> it should
[11:18] <davmor2> but lo what light through yonder window breaks it is the sun (Summers here make the most of it people)
[11:19] <slvr> iptables -t filter -L: http://pastebin.com/c6JjWv6Z
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> slvr: ah, filter is the default table
[11:20] <slvr> I'm thinking it's choking on --protocol tcp but I can't see how
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> it shouldn't
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> that line worked for me
[11:20] <slvr> indeedly
[11:22] <czajkowski> popey: how do you start an on air on hangouts
[11:22] <slvr> Yelch. It's a VPS anyhow. Xen, so it won't be a module issue. I'll just reinstall and see what happens.
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> slvr: still could be a module issue though
[11:23] <slvr> I've modprobed everything I could think of.
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> slvr: nah iptables should do that itself
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> but I don't know how xen and iptables interact
[11:26] <slvr> mmm, looking through my history apparently it worked a few months ago when I first set this up
[11:26] <slvr> so it's something between now and then
[11:27] <slvr> eh, a reinstall will probably fix, so I'll do that.
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> slvr: was the kernel upgraded?
[11:30] <slvr> ah, I hadn't thought to check
[11:30] <slvr> and yes it was
[11:31] <slvr> thanks!~
[11:33] <slvr> (for future reference: the xt_tcpudp wasn't there for some weird reason)
[11:33] <slvr> *module
[12:07] <dogmatic69> anyone know what the settings are that makes ubuntu's screen grab work?
[12:07] <dogmatic69> trying to make xfce do the same (eg: alt+prnt screen for current window)
[12:07] <dwatkins> apparently it's in ccsm, dogmatic69
[12:08] <dwatkins> "you can change the shortcut by installing compizconfig-settings-manager from the software centre, launching it, then clicking on "Ubuntu Unity plugin", then switching the HUD key."
[12:08] <bashrc> I thought it was just the PrtSc button, but may be different on xfce
[12:08] <dwatkins> there's probably something in the xfce config file you can set to bind the key.
[12:09] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: I know where to do it, was looking more for the command, think I got it now thanks.
[12:09] <dwatkins> ah ok cool
[12:10] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: did you know the name of the ubuntu screen grab thing?
[12:15] <dogmatic69> cant seem to bind alt+print to anything, both work without the other just not together :(
[12:21] <dwatkins> no idea, sorry dogmatic69 - looks like it changed in 13.04 anyway
[12:22] <dwatkins> or perhaps I misinterpretted that title
[12:22] <ormiret> dogmatic69: does xev see alt+PrntScrn as something different to PrintScrn?
[12:30] <dogmatic69> xev?
[12:32] <ormiret> an app to print x events to the terminal
[12:55] <czajkowski> bah simple scan is proving to be not so simple
[12:55] <czajkowski> refuses to scan :(
[12:59] <czajkowski> cant get hplip to run to add it via ip address either
[12:59] <czajkowski> :(
[15:12] <davmor2> Moo!
[15:15]  * DJones throws davmor2 on bbq and gets a bun ready
[15:24] <redtape|renegade> On bumm .. A group of Royal Commandos has just pulled up and heading towards the hotel next but one . The ladies in the hotel next door are putting on lipstick .. i.e. I'm never going to get any sleep tonight . [mutley expressions].
[15:25] <redtape|renegade> I guess they're part of the Tynwald celebations .. but I suppose it'll quieten down after the weekend.
[15:48] <popey> Afternoon all!
[15:48] <bigcalm> Hola
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> \o
[15:51]  * bigcalm drums fingers waiting for a Rackspace cloud server to finish imaging
[15:52] <SuperMatt> is it a biggun?
[15:52] <bigcalm> 40GB disc, is that big?
[15:52] <bigcalm> Taking its sweet time though
[15:53] <SuperMatt> hurm, shouldn't take all that long, from what I remember
[15:58] <bigcalm> Getting to 25% wasn't too bad
[15:58] <bigcalm> It's been sitting at 50% for a long time now
[15:58] <SuperMatt> well the rackspace support is pretty good
[15:58] <SuperMatt> drop them a  line
[15:58] <bigcalm> I've got other things to do. Will bug them if needed later
[16:02] <bigcalm> Yay, it finished
[16:22] <SuperMatt> almost home time y'all
[16:29] <bigcalm> Woop woop
[18:56] <hamitron> does chrome use less cpu than firefox on ubuntu?
[19:02] <popey> depends who you ask
[19:02] <popey> some people find chrome less, smoe find firefox less
[19:03] <hamitron> hmmm, ok, at least you haven't given a biased view
[19:03] <hamitron> ;)
[19:04] <hamitron> think I'll just try it anyway
[19:04] <hamitron> install things on this system before I clean it up
[19:05] <popey> i use chromium
[19:05] <popey> i found firefox too cpu eaty
[19:05] <hamitron> I did actually mean chromium
[19:05] <hamitron> :)
[19:06] <hamitron> ff was taking 2 cpu cores most of the time
[19:06] <hamitron> not something I want in these weather conditions
[19:06] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847709/
[19:06] <popey> ☻
[19:07] <hamitron> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[19:07]  * hamitron dreams
[19:08] <hamitron> if only....
[19:34] <redtape|renegade> Yay \o/ :: Flattr.net the microdonations site is potentially adding bitcoin support .. but only if they get people to say yes on this blog :::  http://blog.flattr.net/2013/07/adding-bitcoin-support/  ::: Plz do so if you completely agree in priciple.
[19:34] <redtape|renegade> **principle .. ahem.
[19:42]  * MartijnVdS wonders what to do
[19:56] <Darael> Hmm.  I don't disagree in principle with adding bitcoin support to Flattr.  I do, however, tend on principle not to follow advice given with colons used for formatting rather than punctuation.
[19:57] <Darael> Call me a snob if you will, but...
[19:58] <bashrc> If you have a project which is raising donations in bitcoind it's probably easier just to show an address or a QR code on your site, rather than go through Flattr and have them take 10%
[19:58] <Darael> True enough.
[19:59] <bashrc> But if they're now using bitcoin that is a sign that it's becoming more mainstream
[20:00] <Darael> I suppose it depends on the details - if Flattr are planning to sell the BTC and pass 90% of the result on, there's a convenience argument.  On the other hand, it doesn't really do much for BTC adoption that way, does it?
[23:21] <^Snake> Question about File Systems for Ubuntu, I have a Vista Laptop, hard drive is partitioned (& formatted) in NTFS for Vista in C Drive (Vista OS), & E Drive (personal files). The D Drive will be for Ubuntu. Is there any preference for what FS to use for Ubuntu?
[23:23] <^Snake> An article I was reading said it's not good to install Ubuntu onto NTFS due to certain file attributes. Another article said you can't install onto NTFS, incompatibilities. But when you choose to install Ubuntu, you have the option to install into the same drive as Windows, which is NTFS anyway?
[23:23] <^Snake> So is there a FS I should choose over NTFS for Ubuntu?