| === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
| === ThatGraemeGuy_ is now known as ThatGraemeGuy | ||
| === Neo31-desk is now known as Neo31 | ||
| === ThatGraemeGuy is now known as Guest56135 | ||
| Kilos | morning all | 06:23 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | oh my the fly is gone | 06:24 |
| Symmetria | ugh I think I just broke my SA box | 06:40 |
| Kilos | ouch | 06:40 |
| Symmetria | I edited /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired\ connection \1 | 06:42 |
| Symmetria | to add an ipv6 manual address | 06:42 |
| Symmetria | and the moment I hit save, didnt even restart anything | 06:42 |
| Symmetria | connectivity dies | 06:42 |
| Kilos | ouch | 06:42 |
| Symmetria | I presume that file is monitored or something by the system for changes? | 06:42 |
| === who_da_fly is now known as superfly | ||
| Guest56135 | morning peoples | 07:03 |
| === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn | ||
| superfly | ohi | 07:05 |
| Kilos | hi superfly magespawn | 07:05 |
| Kilos | what happened superfly ? everything was offline | 07:06 |
| superfly | Kilos: I don't know. Ask Freenode | 07:06 |
| Kilos | oh them ya | 07:06 |
| magespawn | good morning Kilos superfly | 07:07 |
| superfly | hi magespawn | 07:10 |
| superfly | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 07:10 |
| magespawn | superfly i am back on the n900 the samsung was just giving me too many problems | 07:15 |
| Kilos | oh my | 07:17 |
| Kilos | router stops my 3g working | 07:17 |
| Kilos | new name for the the is ratter | 07:18 |
| Kilos | grrr | 07:18 |
| Kilos | thing | 07:22 |
| magespawn | Kilos did you not get them all talking nicely the other day? | 07:30 |
| Kilos | ya the tablet saw the router and i could drag/drop to tablet but have got it to share 3g yet now today it kills my 3g signal | 07:32 |
| Kilos | grr | 07:32 |
| magespawn | sounds like a setting has reset itself | 07:34 |
| Kilos | i can hold the reset button again and try | 07:35 |
| Kilos | here goes | 07:40 |
| magespawn | wait | 07:40 |
| magespawn | the reset button on the router will just set it back to factory settings | 07:41 |
| === Kilos- is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | grrr | 07:43 |
| Kilos | cold here today, they say 18°c max | 07:47 |
| Kilos | i like even nights to be 20°c | 07:48 |
| magespawn | cols all over it looks like, here is supposed to be 21 | 07:52 |
| magespawn | s/cols/cold | 07:52 |
| Kilos | wb superfly | 07:55 |
| superfly | seriously? *sigh* | 07:57 |
| Kilos | yea sorry | 07:58 |
| magespawn | happening a lot lately it seems | 08:05 |
| Kilos | our za internet sucks | 08:05 |
| superfly | no, this is Freenode | 08:11 |
| superfly | my IRC connection is based in the USA | 08:11 |
| Kilos | why they dropping you today? | 08:11 |
| superfly | and my other IRC networks have not gone down | 08:11 |
| superfly | just Freenode | 08:11 |
| Kilos | ah | 08:11 |
| mazal | Hi | 08:17 |
| Kilos | i have 2 different android live cds here but both stick at detecting android-X86 and fill screen with ......... | 08:17 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 08:17 |
| mazal | Gaanit oom ? | 08:17 |
| Kilos | mazal why not convert everything to one format | 08:17 |
| Kilos | koud en self | 08:18 |
| mazal | Re the dvd's you talking about ? | 08:18 |
| Kilos | have a look at mobile media converter or mmediac i thinks it might be called now | 08:18 |
| Kilos | ya for the dvds | 08:19 |
| mazal | Converting is not the problem | 08:19 |
| mazal | It's building the dvd that is | 08:19 |
| Kilos | can you just burn them to dvd with k3b | 08:19 |
| mazal | I have many converters , but then you must "auther" a dvd that builds a menu and create a dvd structure and take that to iso | 08:19 |
| Kilos | explain building the dvd | 08:19 |
| mazal | k3b can't do that | 08:19 |
| Kilos | oh you want to make an iso of it | 08:20 |
| mazal | Video dvd's must have the correct structure insode a Video_ts folder containing ifo and vob files and menu that is correct format and structure to play in a dvd player | 08:20 |
| Kilos | there is something i saw about creating an iso in ubuntu | 08:20 |
| mazal | That's where the thing comes in | 08:20 |
| Squirm | Maaz: coffee on | 08:21 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 08:21 | |
| mazal | DVDstyler work so well for many years | 08:21 |
| Squirm | Maaz: larfe | 08:21 |
| Maaz | Squirm: What? | 08:21 |
| Squirm | Maaz: large | 08:21 |
| Maaz | In a beer mug just for you Squirm | 08:21 |
| Squirm | Maaz: bigger | 08:21 |
| Maaz | Squirm: Sorry... | 08:21 |
| mazal | Now broken in 13.04 | 08:21 |
| Squirm | meh | 08:21 |
| Squirm | lo | 08:21 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 08:21 |
| mazal | Bombono as suggested on mail list currently works for me. Only gripe I have with it is that it has a very time consuming way of creating the menu | 08:22 |
| Kilos | will just creating an iso of the folder work? | 08:22 |
| mazal | You must do it manually | 08:22 |
| mazal | No it won't Kilos | 08:22 |
| mazal | A folder with a bunch of video files will only play on a pc | 08:22 |
| Kilos | oh ok then im lost, maybe someone else has ideas | 08:22 |
| mazal | For now I will use Bombono and hope dvdstyler get's fixed in next Ubuntu | 08:23 |
| mazal | Bombono just takes a lot of time with the menu , otherwise it is good | 08:23 |
| * Squirm is busy updating his linux mint | 08:24 | |
| Squirm | I think I skipped a release | 08:24 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Squirm! | 08:25 |
| Squirm | woop | 08:25 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw | 08:25 |
| mazal | Maaz | 08:25 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 08:25 |
| mazal | Maaz ek roep jou | 08:25 |
| Maaz | mazal: Huh? | 08:25 |
| mazal | Maaz kan jy al steak maak ? | 08:25 |
| Maaz | mazal: *blink* | 08:25 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:25 |
| psyatw | hi Squirm | 08:25 |
| mazal | Hi psyatw | 08:27 |
| mazal | Maaz don't blink at me feed me | 08:27 |
| Maaz | mazal: Sorry... | 08:27 |
| psyatw | hi mazal | 08:28 |
| magespawn | blast from the past, just had one of these dropped at my shop http://content.bikhir.ma/images/85/8590061209.jpg | 08:37 |
| Kilos | what is it | 08:37 |
| Kilos | HP something or other | 08:38 |
| magespawn | photocopier, only | 08:38 |
| Kilos | ah | 08:38 |
| magespawn | Minolta cs pro ep 2030 | 08:38 |
| magespawn | still switches on, but looks and smells like rats have nesting in it | 08:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:40 |
| Kilos | ive got a win xp pc coming for repairs | 08:40 |
| mazal | Run Kilos run | 08:41 |
| Kilos | cant see mouse and all icons missing of desktop | 08:41 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:41 |
| Kilos | cant family of family | 08:41 |
| mazal | We get that icons thing a lot | 08:41 |
| Kilos | suspect virus or malware | 08:41 |
| mazal | Mostly happens when user click on the desktop cleanup popup and don't read properly | 08:41 |
| mazal | But ya , probably virus , it's MS | 08:42 |
| Kilos | how do you fix it? | 08:42 |
| mazal | Deleted items from desktop there is only one way , one by one manually | 08:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:43 |
| magespawn | system restore | 08:43 |
| Kilos | apparently there arent any | 08:43 |
| mazal | We created a bat file now in all our pc's startup that copies al main shortcuts to the desktop every time the user logs on | 08:43 |
| Kilos | what a waste of data getting antivirus and stuff for 1 pc | 08:44 |
| mazal | Is such a pain the virus thing | 08:44 |
| magespawn | are there no system restore points Kilos? | 08:44 |
| Kilos | i dunno magespawn will look tonight when it comes then we can discuss it on my channel | 08:45 |
| Kilos | well get reprimanded here | 08:45 |
| magespawn | good idea batman | 08:45 |
| Kilos | look at this when you got time, i put it on 7 | 08:47 |
| Kilos | http://www.lavasoft.com/ | 08:47 |
| Kilos | does a range of things and dont slow pc | 08:47 |
| mazal | Seems promising | 08:49 |
| Guest56135 | um | 08:50 |
| Guest56135 | what's my nick? | 08:50 |
| Kilos | hi Guest56135 | 08:50 |
| Guest56135 | ah | 08:51 |
| Guest56135 | weird | 08:51 |
| mazal | But I don't see an option for manual definition update download | 08:51 |
| Kilos | http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php | 08:51 |
| Guest56135 | http://i.imgur.com/Ms0jqMI.png | 08:51 |
| Kilos | Guest56135, what did you do | 08:52 |
| === Guest56135 is now known as ThatGraemeGuy | ||
| Kilos | thats better | 08:52 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no idea | 08:52 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 08:52 |
| mazal | That's the program itself Kilos | 08:53 |
| * ThatGraemeGuy waves | 08:53 | |
| mazal | I'm refering to def files for when you want to update a pc manually that don't have internet | 08:53 |
| Kilos | might be an option once installed | 08:54 |
| Kilos | but without net i have no idea | 08:54 |
| mazal | For example I dl the manual definitions file for our av once a week. Then I have it with me in the field and update stand-alone pc's | 08:54 |
| Kilos | ah | 08:55 |
| mazal | And when I format I update with that file first | 08:55 |
| Kilos | it checks for updates all the time | 08:55 |
| mazal | Then even the pc's that have internet have a small incremental update after that | 08:55 |
| mazal | Saves plenty of data | 08:55 |
| Kilos | yeah | 08:55 |
| mazal | Is like apt cache for av lol | 08:56 |
| Kilos | maybe one can install it to a stick | 08:56 |
| mazal | So is always the first thing when looking at av I look if their site have manual update files or if it only works with updating straight from the net | 08:56 |
| Kilos | you gotta experiment i got no place in nut to remember win stuff | 08:56 |
| mazal | We have entered an era where you simply can't run pc's without inet anymore hey | 08:58 |
| Kilos | yeah | 08:59 |
| Kilos | mazal, why not do your dvd stuff on 12.04 | 09:03 |
| Kilos | and file a bug report of whats broken in 13 whatever it dont work with | 09:05 |
| Kilos | so the next release is fixed and maybe even you will get a work aroung for the release it dont work on | 09:05 |
| Kilos | work around | 09:06 |
| mazal | I don't have a 12.04 at home Kilos | 09:06 |
| Kilos | install one alongside man | 09:06 |
| mazal | I never do that | 09:06 |
| mazal | I have a very specific and partition layout and 2nd os will mess that up lol | 09:07 |
| mazal | And I never been a fan of the dual boot thing | 09:07 |
| Kilos | i run 12.04 kde unity and 10.10 on one pc with option where to boot from | 09:07 |
| mazal | BUT...if I can get another usb hdd I will install to that | 09:07 |
| Kilos | but each on its own drive | 09:07 |
| mazal | I used to that some time ago , but it got to complicated to go change the bios order every time and remember what drive is what | 09:08 |
| Kilos | no man its simple | 09:08 |
| Kilos | you get the choice in grub menu | 09:08 |
| mazal | But is nice idea , will check if I can find a 2.5" external somewhere | 09:09 |
| Kilos | get the most important one to boot first then run sudo update-grub from it | 09:09 |
| Kilos | hi there drussell | 09:10 |
| mazal | With current internal that will be to big job. Will have re-partition the whole drive and one is 1.5tb with data on it :( | 09:11 |
| mazal | Will be easier to just install to a external and plug in when needed | 09:11 |
| mazal | But...then again....my backups run every night including the big data partition. So don't have much to backup , just a lot to put back..hmmm | 09:16 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 09:18 |
| mazal | Ag nee man oom Kilos , jy gee my idees nou en dis baie werk man :-) | 09:19 |
| Kilos | haha | 09:19 |
| Kilos | werk is goed. hou jou uit die moeilikhead | 09:20 |
| mazal | Ek het te veel werk alreeds | 09:20 |
| mazal | En ek is soet seun , maakie moeilikheid nie hehehehe | 09:22 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:22 |
| * drussell waves to Kilos | 09:23 | |
| Kilos | i might disappear, gonna plug in router | 09:28 |
| Kilos | yay | 09:30 |
| Kilos | Superhuman, it killed internet again so i purged iptables gufw and ufw now it dont kill 3g anymore | 09:39 |
| Kilos | now just gotta set pc as gateway to the stars | 09:40 |
| Kilos | anytime, no rush at all | 09:41 |
| magespawn | Kilos can you remember where you set the gateway last time? | 09:48 |
| Kilos | last time i set it in nm with the same ip as my pc | 09:49 |
| Kilos | nm wired eth0 edit | 09:49 |
| Kilos | then 1pv4\ | 09:49 |
| Kilos | ipv4 | 09:49 |
| Kilos | just dunno what to put in there this time | 09:50 |
| magespawn | let me check | 10:03 |
| magespawn | in nm did you set the ipv4 settings to manual? | 10:08 |
| Kilos | yes otherwise they dont give you options | 10:08 |
| magespawn | are you on automatic/dhcp at the moment? | 10:10 |
| Kilos | ive tried that | 10:10 |
| magespawn | what is it set at right now? | 10:11 |
| Kilos | no manual | 10:11 |
| Kilos | and dns servers i put in 8.8.8.8 | 10:12 |
| Kilos | would be easier if i could just get the router to see the arab modem | 10:18 |
| Kilos | but then dunno how ill iftop it | 10:19 |
| Kilos | im bang to fiddle in its settings | 10:20 |
| magespawn | what ip address do you get for ifconfig | 10:20 |
| Kilos | i used this command to set it | 10:21 |
| Kilos | sudo ip addr add 192.168.1.1/24 dev eth0 | 10:21 |
| Kilos | ifconfig gives me | 10:21 |
| Kilos | inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 | 10:22 |
| Superhuman | your router will be on 192.168.1.254 | 10:22 |
| magespawn | okay then the everything except the the gateway is set then Kilos? | 10:22 |
| Kilos | ya i can get to it with browser | 10:22 |
| Kilos | i put my ip in gateway too now | 10:23 |
| Kilos | maybe there is a command for setting gateway | 10:24 |
| Squirm | Kilos: just remember, using `ip addr` to set your IP will only work until you restart | 10:24 |
| Kilos | not sure if nm is so good | 10:24 |
| Squirm | you want to set your default gateway on the command line? | 10:24 |
| Kilos | will it remember it if its cli | 10:25 |
| Squirm | no | 10:25 |
| Superhuman | Setting route via command line: sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 && netstat -rn | 10:25 |
| Superhuman | netstat -rn give you your routing table. | 10:25 |
| Kilos | nm didnt work with ip addy yesterday we had to use command line | 10:26 |
| Squirm | Kilos: you can set it on cli and it will work. but it will only work until restart | 10:26 |
| magespawn | Superhuman: could Kilos not set the gateway and such on the router? | 10:27 |
| Squirm | I'd think you'd have to | 10:27 |
| Superhuman | if he sets up dhcp on the router (or the pc), one of the settings is the default gateway to use. Which every dhcp host then gets. | 10:27 |
| Squirm | ok | 10:28 |
| Superhuman | the router doesn't need to connect to the pc, it is basically acting as a normal router, it doesn't need internet connection (unless you update firmware) | 10:28 |
| Superhuman | wifi routers (not modems) are just normal routers with little more setup. | 10:29 |
| magespawn | i was thinking for the rest of the network devices, if they try to use the router as the gateway automatically they would fail to get internet | 10:29 |
| Superhuman | yes, they would | 10:30 |
| magespawn | ahh okay i understand, so the router will get the default gateway from the pc | 10:34 |
| Kilos | oh my | 10:37 |
| Kilos | one of those last commands killed 3g connection again even thought it still showed connected | 10:38 |
| Kilos | ill try connect router again and see what happens | 10:39 |
| Kilos | Maaz, hi | 10:39 |
| * Maaz waves to Kilos | 10:39 | |
| Superhuman | Kilos, the gateway doesn't need to be set on the pc, since it is the gateway. Only non-gateway devices need to be set. | 10:39 |
| Kilos | yay | 10:39 |
| Superhuman | Maaz: beer | 10:40 |
| Maaz | Superhuman: Sorry... | 10:40 |
| Superhuman | damnit...who drinks all the beers? | 10:40 |
| Kilos | too early for beer | 10:40 |
| Superhuman | Never too early! | 10:40 |
| Kilos | Maaz, beer | 10:41 |
| Maaz | hmm... Kilos look in the fridge | 10:41 |
| Kilos | he knows i dont drink | 10:41 |
| Superhuman | whiskey tango foxtrot! | 10:41 |
| Superhuman | discrimination!! | 10:42 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:42 |
| * Kilos throws a beer to Superhuman | 10:42 | |
| magespawn | it is all in the punctuation, which most definately is important | 10:46 |
| magespawn | lo | 10:46 |
| Kilos | Maaz, botsnack | 10:47 |
| Maaz | thanks, Kilos | 10:47 |
| Squirm | Maaz: beer | 10:51 |
| Maaz | Squirm look in the fridge my friend | 10:51 |
| Squirm | Maaz: botsnack | 10:51 |
| Maaz | Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp | 10:51 |
| Kilos | maybe i gotta use these commands like with server back then | 10:56 |
| Kilos | iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW ! -i ppp+ -j ACCEPT | 10:56 |
| Kilos | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE | 10:56 |
| mazal | gotta remaster | 10:57 |
| mazal | l8tr all | 10:57 |
| Kilos | oh iptables is purged | 11:01 |
| === Spaceghost is now known as Guest12219 | ||
| Kilos | hi psyatw | 11:17 |
| Kilos | eeek 799 peeps on #android | 11:50 |
| Kilos | nosy ThatGraemeGuy ? | 11:50 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah | 11:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 799 idlers | 11:51 |
| Kilos | i hope thats the right place to ask for help | 11:51 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | with? | 11:52 |
| Kilos | ive just stated the prob there | 11:53 |
| Kilos | i have a problem trying to install android-x86 to my intel pc | 11:54 |
| Kilos | <Kilos> it gets to "detecting android-x86 and prints pages of .......... | 11:54 |
| Kilos | doesnt even get to partitioning | 11:54 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ah | 11:54 |
| Kilos | if it actually installed it could be good for older pcs because its only 186meg | 11:56 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i don't think android apps translate very well to a kb/mouse interface | 11:57 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i tried it in virtualbox, it's clunky | 11:57 |
| Kilos | i think its trying to detect an android device to install to which is wrong if its an iso for pcs | 11:58 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and a large percentage of my apps in the play store were not installable for whatever reason | 11:58 |
| Kilos | eish | 11:58 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | its pretty much a toy project in its current state | 11:58 |
| Kilos | maybe one needs to find the dev channel on irc | 11:59 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | #android-dev is for app development | 12:00 |
| Kilos | #android-root - for discussion related to off-label uses of hardware | 12:00 |
| Kilos | ? | 12:00 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | To communicate with us real-time, join the irc channel #android-x86 at irc.freenode.net. | 12:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | now i'm no genius, but ..... | 12:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ;-) | 12:01 |
| Kilos | well done | 12:01 |
| Kilos | maybe they are all in the states | 12:04 |
| magespawn | hah | 12:05 |
| Kilos | the stupid thing must look for a hdd not android | 12:06 |
| magespawn | what was that about a craftsman blaming their tools? | 12:09 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | how can it look for android? it is android o_O | 12:10 |
| Kilos | yeah stupid hey | 12:35 |
| Kilos | pointed at the wrong thing | 12:35 |
| Kilos | oh my even maaz split | 12:58 |
| Kilos | and most of the android peeps | 12:58 |
| Kilos | must be a prob in the states | 12:58 |
| Kilos | whew | 13:30 |
| Kilos | yeah welcome back from me too | 13:31 |
| === Guest12219 is now known as Spaceghost | ||
| === space is now known as Guest94778 | ||
| inetpro_ | hmm... and what do we have here? | 14:25 |
| inetpro_ | what is wrong with freenode today? | 14:25 |
| === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro | ||
| magespawn | later all home time | 14:32 |
| Kilos | k magespawn | 14:32 |
| Kilos | -mquin- [Global Notice] As you've probably observed, we're experiencing a bit of network disruption. Please bear with us while we look into it. | 14:33 |
| Kilos | -tomaw- [Global notice] Quick services restart incoming... | 14:38 |
| Kilos | hi georgelappies | 14:39 |
| Kilos | yo JoTraGo | 14:39 |
| inetpro | ai! | 14:39 |
| georgelappies | hi Kilos, how are you diong | 14:39 |
| georgelappies | doing oops | 14:40 |
| Kilos | good ty and you | 14:40 |
| georgelappies | good thanks | 14:40 |
| Kilos | als bietjie siek vandag inetpro | 14:40 |
| inetpro | Kilos: duidelik | 14:45 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, looks like i will first have to install the plop thing | 15:01 |
| Kilos | http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=86514&sid=b293ac1a004cc7772ec019b11a055b13 | 15:01 |
| Kilos | plop boot-manager | 15:02 |
| mazal | Oom Kilos , I found and external and wanted to put 12.04 on , but now my iso isn't working :-( | 15:42 |
| Kilos | aw | 15:42 |
| mazal | Burning an older iso now I still have in my backups | 15:43 |
| mazal | Hope that works | 15:43 |
| Kilos | why not mazal | 15:43 |
| mazal | Just show a grey screen | 15:43 |
| Kilos | eish | 15:43 |
| mazal | So is obviously another graphics thing | 15:43 |
| Kilos | yip | 15:43 |
| mazal | Ubuntu and it's graphics issues *sigh* | 15:43 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:44 |
| mazal | I hope my old iso works | 15:44 |
| mazal | Not gonna do a complete new one | 15:44 |
| mazal | Way too much time and data | 15:44 |
| Kilos | if it doesnt put the old card back | 15:44 |
| mazal | No way , then my 13.04 is broken | 15:44 |
| Kilos | no man just till you have 12.04 installed with the correct drivers | 15:45 |
| mazal | Nou praat oom van BAIE werk | 15:45 |
| Kilos | haha | 15:45 |
| mazal | Net om 1 program te laat werk | 15:45 |
| mazal | I don't think so | 15:45 |
| Kilos | ek het n gigabyte pc wat so is | 15:46 |
| Kilos | 7 werk op een kaart en ubuntu op n ander ene | 15:47 |
| mazal | These screen guys need to sort out their stuff | 15:47 |
| mazal | Always graphics issues | 15:47 |
| Kilos | yeah the all linuxes probs | 15:47 |
| mazal | Is the first time ever that a remaster iso fail on any pc I use | 15:48 |
| mazal | Weird part is , graphics drivers isn't included in the iso | 15:48 |
| mazal | So it might be a 12.04 thing with this new Nvidia card of mine | 15:49 |
| mazal | Last time I used 12.04 it was an ATI | 15:49 |
| Kilos | ya once installed you type additional in dash and it will find the right driver | 15:49 |
| mazal | And how to install if you can't see anything lol | 15:50 |
| mazal | Ok , older iso burned. Rebooting , wish me luck :P | 15:50 |
| Kilos | good luck | 15:50 |
| mazal | Nope , same thing | 15:54 |
| Kilos | eish | 15:54 |
| mazal | Oh well , good bye 12.04 and dvdstyler | 15:54 |
| Kilos | just change cards | 15:54 |
| mazal | No that is way too much work just for one app | 15:54 |
| mazal | Not worth it | 15:54 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:54 |
| mazal | Wat gaan ek nou met die external maak | 15:56 |
| mazal | Het hom spesiaal diep uit 'n boks uitgekrap :-( | 15:56 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:57 |
| Kilos | epos hom na my | 15:57 |
| mazal | Aaaaah ek weet ! | 16:03 |
| mazal | Ek gaan my huidige Ubu op hom install as 'n "recovery os" om in myne se data in te kom in case of emergency | 16:04 |
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| mazal_recovery | It works nicely :-) | 16:43 |
| mazal_recovery | Oom Kilos , I have a question | 16:43 |
| Kilos | lekker | 16:43 |
| Kilos | ya | 16:43 |
| mazal_recovery | Ok so now I am on my external drive ne | 16:44 |
| Kilos | ja | 16:44 |
| mazal_recovery | During install I chose to install grub direct to it (sdb) | 16:44 |
| Kilos | you are on it now | 16:44 |
| mazal_recovery | That's how I want it , I choose it first in BIOS when wanting to boot to it | 16:44 |
| mazal_recovery | Don't want to mess with sda main drive | 16:45 |
| Kilos | so now do sudo update-grub | 16:45 |
| mazal_recovery | Now , when I am on it like now | 16:45 |
| mazal_recovery | Currently it is sharp | 16:45 |
| Kilos | it should give you the boot options in grub menu | 16:45 |
| mazal_recovery | But what happens when there is an Kernel update , are the updater gonna install the new grub to sdb (the current drive I am on) or is it gonna install it to sda and mess with that ? | 16:46 |
| mazal_recovery | Will the updater automatically see I am on sdb and update sdb's grub ? | 16:46 |
| Kilos | you have to choose which drive to boot from then do update from that drive | 16:46 |
| Kilos | each one does its own updates that way | 16:47 |
| Kilos | they dont interfere with each other here | 16:48 |
| mazal_recovery | And the updater will write the new grub to the drive you booted with ? | 16:48 |
| Kilos | yip | 16:48 |
| mazal_recovery | Ah good , don't want this drive to mess with the internal one | 16:48 |
| Kilos | it shouldnt imo | 16:49 |
| mazal_recovery | En ek was slim | 16:49 |
| Kilos | hoekom | 16:49 |
| mazal_recovery | Remembered the apt cache trick so already copied sda's apt cache to this drive , so when it updates won't need to download anything :-) | 16:49 |
| Kilos | lol i do that by using rsync to somewhere | 16:50 |
| mazal_recovery | Mine too , every night | 16:50 |
| Kilos | you can use your external for that | 16:51 |
| mazal_recovery | Cool , so mi recovery drive is ready | 16:51 |
| Kilos | to store packages and copy your /home | 16:51 |
| mazal_recovery | I want to see Windoooze do this , install a full os with ALL apps in 15min | 16:51 |
| Kilos | well done | 16:51 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:51 |
| mazal_recovery | Thank you remastersys | 16:51 |
| mazal_recovery | Ok , so now I have enough space on this drive left to play with K as well maybe | 16:52 |
| mazal_recovery | When I have time | 16:52 |
| mazal_recovery | Then don't have to mess with main drive | 16:52 |
| Kilos | thats why i use 3 drives | 16:52 |
| mazal_recovery | And the rest free NTFS space | 16:53 |
| Kilos | even though they all in the pc they are independant from each other | 16:53 |
| mazal_recovery | So if I use ot for recovery that there is space to copy data too | 16:53 |
| mazal_recovery | Just a pitty it is so small | 16:53 |
| Kilos | size? | 16:53 |
| mazal_recovery | 250 overall | 16:54 |
| mazal_recovery | Used 50 for this os | 16:54 |
| Kilos | 250 meg? | 16:54 |
| mazal_recovery | gig | 16:54 |
| Kilos | gig | 16:54 |
| mazal_recovery | Very small | 16:54 |
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| mazal_recovery | Gonna leave another 50 for "play" , like K or X and so on | 16:54 |
| Kilos | gig you are talking about | 16:55 |
| mazal_recovery | Then I have 150 for data transfer in recovery situation | 16:55 |
| mazal_recovery | Yes , gig | 16:55 |
| Kilos | but why the ntfs partition | 16:55 |
| Kilos | thats big man | 16:55 |
| Kilos | 250 gig is large | 16:55 |
| mazal_recovery | That's small , I work with 2tb drives | 16:56 |
| mazal_recovery | This is an ooooooooooooold one | 16:56 |
| Kilos | hehe spoiled brat | 16:56 |
| mazal_recovery | NTFS so that anything can access the data copied to it | 16:56 |
| Kilos | aha | 16:56 |
| mazal_recovery | ext4 too much permission issues in such situations | 16:56 |
| Kilos | i love ext4 win pcs cant even see it | 16:57 |
| mazal_recovery | I had many a headache before when I needed to put back data that was on ext4 backup drives | 16:57 |
| mazal_recovery | Since then ALL my backup drives , except the clones are NTFS | 16:58 |
| Kilos | eina | 16:58 |
| mazal_recovery | My server backup I couldn't even access with gksudo nautilus | 16:58 |
| mazal_recovery | on a ext4 drive | 16:58 |
| mazal_recovery | I had to manually go and change the whole tree to different owner | 16:59 |
| mazal_recovery | And then change it back again after putting the data back | 16:59 |
| Kilos | permisions? | 16:59 |
| mazal_recovery | Since then , only clones ext4 , the rest all NTFS. Then I can get to my data on any system | 16:59 |
| mazal_recovery | Yeah the permissions is a nightmare when you plug that drive into another system | 17:00 |
| mazal_recovery | Ok , this drive is nicely partitioned now. I saw that "disk" did not ask me if I want the 2nd partition to be a primary partition ? | 17:02 |
| mazal_recovery | Does it make it a primary automatically ? | 17:02 |
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| Kilos | look at chown | 17:03 |
| Kilos | but use with cars | 17:03 |
| Kilos | care | 17:03 |
| mazal_recovery | Hey hey , what is this !!! I see "create image" and "restore image" option when I go to "more option" on a partition in the disks app | 17:04 |
| Kilos | you might need to tell bios which drive to boot from first | 17:04 |
| mazal_recovery | This needs some investigation :-) | 17:04 |
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| mazal_recovery | I wonder if this makes an exact image , including the boot sector ? | 17:08 |
| Kilos | where you found that | 17:08 |
| mazal_recovery | The application "disks" | 17:08 |
| Kilos | disk utility | 17:09 |
| mazal_recovery | If you click on a drive that is not mounted | 17:09 |
| mazal_recovery | Yeah | 17:09 |
| mazal_recovery | And then on the gear icon | 17:09 |
| Kilos | ah | 17:09 |
| mazal_recovery | It opens a list of options | 17:09 |
| mazal_recovery | One of them is "create disk image" | 17:09 |
| mazal_recovery | I wonder if there is more info about it on ubuntu site ? | 17:10 |
| Kilos | try man disk utility | 17:11 |
| mazal_recovery | I can never remember that site's addy | 17:11 |
| mazal_recovery | wiki.ubuntu.com ? | 17:11 |
| Kilos | ? | 17:11 |
| mazal_recovery | or was it help.ubuntu.com | 17:11 |
| Kilos | i dunno if man has pages for disk utility | 17:12 |
| mazal_recovery | Gonna def try find more info on that | 17:12 |
| mazal_recovery | Ok ,gonna boot back to main drive | 17:12 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google disk utility man pages | 17:12 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "diskutil(8) Mac OS X Manual Page - Apple Developer" http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/diskutil.8 :: "Disk Utility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_Utility :: "Palimpsest Disk Utility Manual - GNOME Library" https://help.gnome.org/users/palimpsest/ :: "Palimpsest Disk | 17:12 |
| Maaz | Utility Manual" https://help.gnome.org/users/palimpsest/stable/ :: "diskutil OSX Man Page | … | 17:12 |
| mazal | Can't find anything on that | 17:34 |
| mazal | Nice , jsut found out I can mount an iso in disk utility and view it in nautilus | 17:40 |
| Kilos | sorry i was busy with android | 18:17 |
| Kilos | night all . sleep tight | 18:36 |
| mazal | Nag oom , lekker slaap | 18:39 |
| Kilos | dankie seun jy ook | 18:40 |
| inetpro | mazal: eish, you make me cringe! | 18:51 |
| inetpro | you really prefer NTFS? | 18:52 |
| mazal | For drive that holds backup data yes | 18:57 |
| inetpro | if it's windows backup data sure, but Linux backups? | 18:57 |
| mazal | Yep is better | 18:57 |
| inetpro | ai! | 18:57 |
| mazal | Except for the clones | 18:58 |
| inetpro | you loose all Linux file attributes if you do that | 18:58 |
| mazal | You don't want that on data | 18:58 |
| mazal | Remember I'm talking raw data like music , pics , videos etc. | 18:58 |
| inetpro | hmm... you maybe, not me | 18:58 |
| mazal | On the active machine or server of course you need it , but in the backup it is much quicker and easier to get to them if they not restricted by permissions | 19:00 |
| inetpro | you talk as if Linux file permissions are really so difficult to manage | 19:00 |
| inetpro | it's simple, really | 19:00 |
| inetpro | NTFS permissions can make you fail big time as well | 19:01 |
| inetpro | all depends how you use it | 19:01 |
| mazal | It's one step less if you need to restore , and it all depends on the situation as well | 19:02 |
| * inetpro hates proprietary NTFS with a passion | 19:02 | |
| mazal | For example , lets say my docs is backed up on an ext4 drive | 19:03 |
| mazal | Now on my new install I changed my username | 19:03 |
| inetpro | why would you do that? | 19:03 |
| mazal | I'm gonna have to changed ownership on all of them | 19:03 |
| mazal | If they on a ntfs , I have full access and permission is changed automatically when copying in | 19:04 |
| mazal | I had another situation where the backup changed all permission from username to UUID. With that situation I couldn't even access the data with gksudo nautilus | 19:05 |
| mazal | I had to first change the ownership to username and then I could access it | 19:06 |
| mazal | Is just little unneccesary steps on a restore that wastes time | 19:06 |
| inetpro | hmm... something sounds fishy here | 19:06 |
| mazal | Nothing fishy , just making it easier for myself | 19:07 |
| inetpro | how can the backup change all permission from username to UUID? | 19:08 |
| mazal | It is a sync made with parted magic | 19:08 |
| inetpro | doesn't make sense to me | 19:09 |
| mazal | Wasn't made from in ubuntu , and I was stunned also | 19:09 |
| inetpro | what you say doesn't make sense | 19:09 |
| mazal | When I plugged that drive into an ubuntu box everything was uuid | 19:09 |
| mazal | I dunno , that's what happened | 19:09 |
| inetpro | you mean the words 'uuid'? | 19:10 |
| inetpro | s/words/word/ | 19:10 |
| mazal | No the owner for example brom barrydk to uuid 500 | 19:11 |
| mazal | So it was totally locked on the Ubuntu box I lugged it into | 19:11 |
| inetpro | ahh, but that is really simple | 19:11 |
| mazal | But unnessesary | 19:12 |
| mazal | I fixed it with chown yes , but I don't need that extra step retrieving data out of a backup | 19:13 |
| inetpro | it just means that the files belonged to UID 500 previously and your uid on the new system was probably something like 1000 | 19:14 |
| mazal | Yeah I know | 19:14 |
| mazal | And like I said , fixed it with chown | 19:14 |
| mazal | My point is , it is an unnecessary step | 19:15 |
| mazal | Backed up data don't need those ownerships and permissions | 19:15 |
| mazal | Only system backups does | 19:15 |
| inetpro | if you're really dealing with NTFS you would have the same issues moving stuff across systems with different usernames | 19:15 |
| mazal | Never had a problem | 19:16 |
| mazal | NTFS doesn't take the linux permissions | 19:16 |
| inetpro | you sure you really backing up to NTFS and not VFAT? | 19:16 |
| mazal | Yep , NTFS | 19:16 |
| inetpro | ok, but then your username didn't really change | 19:17 |
| inetpro | it was just the UID that changed | 19:17 |
| mazal | No , the one the UUID changed was a backup to an ext4 drive | 19:17 |
| mazal | I used to backup to ext4 | 19:18 |
| inetpro | from what OS? | 19:18 |
| mazal | Untill I got those permissions issues | 19:18 |
| mazal | Ubuntu and parted magic | 19:18 |
| inetpro | explain what you mean with parted magic? | 19:19 |
| mazal | Oh , and once it changed to root | 19:19 |
| mazal | And then after that backups failed for more than a week before I picked it up | 19:19 |
| inetpro | you mean the parted magic OS? | 19:19 |
| mazal | Parted magic I use for full clones , that have to be done to ext4 as well | 19:19 |
| mazal | Have no choice there | 19:20 |
| mazal | But the Ubuntu ones also used to run to ext4 , and changed that to NTFS | 19:20 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:20 |
| mazal | I had various issues with it , so just changed to ntfs | 19:21 |
| inetpro | that hurts man | 19:21 |
| mazal | The one where it changed to root was my own mistake though | 19:21 |
| mazal | My normal daily backups I run with plain rsync's. So I was in terminal , making a remaster iso , but that is done in root mode | 19:22 |
| mazal | So forgot to exit root mode before running daily , bang everything changed to root | 19:23 |
| mazal | Didn't know realise it | 19:23 |
| inetpro | sounds like you're doing something wrong, but then I don't know your needs | 19:23 |
| mazal | Following days backups fails because no permission to verwrite those files lol | 19:23 |
| mazal | No , I am just making it easier on myself | 19:23 |
| inetpro | I would really not jump between filesystems like that if I was you | 19:24 |
| inetpro | can mess things up big time | 19:24 |
| mazal | I basically just removed the need for chown in certain cases | 19:24 |
| mazal | Why ? | 19:25 |
| inetpro | you can easily script chown into your procedure if it boils down to it | 19:25 |
| inetpro | how much data are you talking about here anyway? | 19:27 |
| mazal | Another thing I got once , pc crashed badly enough for re-install. Only thing I had to burn iso with was a Win 7 laptop. So couldn't access my iso's in the backup. | 19:27 |
| mazal | Sjoe , a lot , bout 1tb | 19:28 |
| inetpro | others users' data? | 19:28 |
| mazal | Nope , my own | 19:28 |
| mazal | Software , videos , music etc | 19:28 |
| inetpro | you can always boot up with a live cd | 19:29 |
| mazal | I didn't have one | 19:29 |
| mazal | I had to burn one of my iso | 19:29 |
| mazal | And that NEVER happened again. After that always have latest burned iso on dvd and usb | 19:29 |
| inetpro | get one and get rid of that proprietary stuffs | 19:30 |
| mazal | Why ? | 19:30 |
| mazal | I only got unneccesary problems with my backups to ext4 | 19:30 |
| inetpro | what else do you need windows for? | 19:31 |
| mazal | Problems I got wasn't with Windows , was with Ubuntu | 19:32 |
| mazal | Or you mean why is Windows on my laptop ? | 19:33 |
| inetpro | exactly | 19:33 |
| inetpro | you still talk as if windows is this magic potion that everyone still needs | 19:33 |
| mazal | Nooooooooooooooooooo | 19:33 |
| mazal | I hate windows | 19:33 |
| mazal | I never talked windows up | 19:34 |
| inetpro | so why you still depend on it's filesystem | 19:34 |
| mazal | All I am saying the whole time is I don't need the permissions and ownerships in my backup data | 19:34 |
| mazal | And don't want it there as it made me struggle before | 19:35 |
| inetpro | the problem is with your backup procedure, not your permissions as such | 19:35 |
| mazal | NTFS just happens not to keep linux permissions , is why I use it | 19:35 |
| mazal | Backup procedure is fine | 19:36 |
| mazal | Is just a simple linux fact that user that transfers the data owns the data and can't be accessed on system without that same user | 19:36 |
| mazal | Nothing wrong with that | 19:36 |
| mazal | And I'm not saying there is | 19:37 |
| inetpro | root owns everything | 19:37 |
| mazal | It is just my preference to not have ownerships in my backed up data is all | 19:37 |
| mazal | And I know is easy fixable with things like chown , done it , knows how it works. Just don't want that extra step | 19:38 |
| mazal | As well as preventing blonde mistakes like my root one also | 19:38 |
| * inetpro prefers to keep file attributes in tact as far as possible | 19:38 | |
| mazal | The one thing I do that is with my clones. There I run rsync's to ext4 with full permissions settings in place. System files I don't muck about | 19:39 |
| mazal | But I have yet to see or hear a good reason to do that with just raw data | 19:40 |
| inetpro | A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing -- George Bernard Shaw | 19:40 |
| mazal | Exactly | 19:43 |
| inetpro | what I'm trying to say is that you should learn from your mistakes and move on | 19:44 |
| inetpro | storing linux based backups on NTFS just for the sake of trimming file attributes is a mistake | 19:44 |
| mazal | Why ? | 19:45 |
| inetpro | it's unnecessary | 19:45 |
| mazal | No it isn't | 19:45 |
| mazal | Mounts easier , copies back easier | 19:45 |
| inetpro | only because you know it | 19:45 |
| mazal | That's another little niggle I had | 19:45 |
| mazal | ext4 externals kept mounting as root | 19:46 |
| inetpro | get to know your new OS | 19:46 |
| mazal | It's not new to me | 19:46 |
| inetpro | how long have you been using it? | 19:46 |
| mazal | 2002 | 19:47 |
| inetpro | hmm.... | 19:47 |
| mazal | Not ubuntu though | 19:47 |
| mazal | Started with RH | 19:47 |
| inetpro | and you still depend on NTFS? | 19:47 |
| mazal | No , I make things easier for myself | 19:47 |
| inetpro | you really have to part with that MS tax? | 19:47 |
| mazal | If there were any good reason to keep raw data backups on ext4 I would have , but there isn't | 19:49 |
| mazal | I'm gonna crash. Enjoy the rest of the evening. | 19:51 |
| inetpro | but hang on, what about performance? | 19:51 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:51 |
| kbmonkey | hello o/ | 21:28 |
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