[00:00] <Kitt3n> rlw, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XFProt
[00:00] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: https://dpaste.de/4WbP4/
[00:00] <rlw> thanks for the link but that does't work
[00:00] <rlw> not helpful
[00:00] <Kitt3n> rlw, 'what' doesn't work?
[00:00] <rlw> it's jargon
[00:00] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: ensure you have backups if you don't already.  Then you can try to downgrade python
[00:00] <Kitt3n> rlw, what?
[00:01] <rlw> Kitt3n: it's Jargon
[00:01] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: Nothing important is on here (Wubi install), so how can I downgrade Python??
[00:01] <whoever_> rlw: if you don't give a reason or something other than "I need help, " we can not help
[00:01] <Kitt3n> rlw, I don't understand what you're talking about, but that link explains how to install xfprot.
[00:01] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: try « sudo apt-get install python=2.7.3-0ubuntu7.1 »
[00:02] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: is "python" the only package you installed?
[00:02] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: It won't let me do apt-get install: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[00:02] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: pastebin full input and output
[00:02] <whoever_> rlw: so what doesn't work on or with xfprot,
[00:02] <rlw> Whoever_: Hello there, here is what I need to do here is what i've done so far: XFPROT is a graphical frontend to the F-Prot Antivirus(TM) for Linux  Download the latest version from here  sudo wget http://web.tiscali.it/sharp/xfprot/xfprot-1.18.tar.gz  sudo tar xzvf xfprot-1.18.tar.gz  cd xfprot-1.18  sudo ./configure --with-sudo --autodetect --without-debug --with-install-dir=/usr/local  sudo make  sudo checkinstall  Once this finishes 
[00:03] <captine> Hi all.  Just checking.  I was able to pick up a macbook 2013 model using points on credit card, but am wanting to ask if anyone has successfully run ubuntu on it (not in a VM but native).  Wanting to get rid of osx if possible
[00:03] <jrib> !mac | captine
[00:03] <Kitt3n> rlw, what do you need help with?
[00:03] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: https://dpaste.de/sOdhF/
[00:03]  * whoever_ i knew it, he can say more then "hellp "
[00:03] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: thanks for taking the time to try and help btw
[00:04] <rlw> I need to install to if you understand I'm a expert on Windows Platform, but I wanted a change Kitt3n, but anyways
[00:04] <rlw> can you help to install it
[00:04] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: try installing the  2.7.3-0ubuntu7 version instead.  You may have not been up to date when you installed your custom version
[00:04] <Kitt3n> rlw, the page says EXACTLY how you need to do it?
[00:04] <rlw> IWhich one
[00:04] <captine> jrib: thanks.  from that, I am guessing no one has documented using it on my model.
[00:05] <Kitt3n> captine, why did you buy a mac anyway?
[00:05] <rlw> It's JARGON!!!!
[00:05] <holstein> rlw: what do you need help with?
[00:05] <whoever_> rlw: this tells you exactly how to install it, and how to sym-lynk so that it will work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XFProt
[00:06] <captine> Kitt3n: was leaving the Philippines and when closing my credit card, they told me i had $500 worth of points and the mac store was the only tech store to use it on… hence, got $500 off
[00:06] <jrib> captine: it should just be a matter of grabbing the iso with mac support (http://releases.ubuntu.com), booting a dvd, and following the instructions.  But I cannot say I have personal experience with your model
[00:06] <rlw> ok
[00:06] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: I think it worked... It did a downgrade and now I can apt-get install other stuff! Thanks so much!
[00:07] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: no problem.  You're aware python 3.3 is in the repositories as "python3"?
[00:07] <captine> Kitt3n: my old laptop (Acer i7) is in the container in transit.  Also have a mac mini server which I bought just for the size of it… but need to also get ubuntu or proxmox running headless on it
[00:07] <captine> jrib: thanks.  I will try the install once I have a drive to backup to, and will try see if anything breaks...
[00:08] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: I wasn't at the time but I am now. I think I tried "install python3" and it kept me on Python 3.2 but that might've been because I had to update/upgrade something-or-other
[00:08] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: are you on ubuntu 13.04?
[00:08] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: 12.10
[00:09] <jrib> !info python3 quantal
[00:09] <Kitt3n> captine, the best solution is to stay away from Mac at all costs
[00:10] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: yeah looks like you'll only get 3.2 then.  You can compile it, but I would recommend just doing it as your user and keeping it in $HOME.
[00:10] <captine> Kitt3n: Noted.  Will look at Lenovo next, as my work machine installed ubuntu perfectly just before i handed it back
[00:10] <ickers> Folks, can anyone point me at an official page somewhere which defines what "support" means for Ubuntu LTS releases?
[00:11] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: There is a python3.3 package that I was able to download
[00:11] <jrib> ickers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[00:11] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: ok
[00:11] <dasuda> how do I connect to by windows VPS in linux?
[00:11] <dasuda> ubuntu
[00:11] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: just make sure it doesn't overwrite the default python
[00:12] <jrib> dasuda: how do you connect to windows VPS in windows?
[00:12] <dasuda> using a remote to desktop client I believe
[00:12] <Kitt3n> captine, Macs are designed to not accept anything but Apple OS
[00:12] <jrib> dasuda: so use a remote desktop client ;)
[00:12] <dasuda> jrib: ok
[00:12] <dasuda> jrib: know of any :)?
[00:12] <captine> yip.  I know.  just love the look of the hardware...
[00:12] <dasuda> I could not find much in the software center
[00:13] <dasuda> thats why I am asking
[00:13] <jrib> dasuda: I can't recommend any offhand but if you search for "remote desktop" you should see a few candidates
[00:13] <whoever_> Kitt3n: nativly yes, but you can run them in a vm
[00:13] <jrib> dasuda: apt-cache search remote desktop
[00:13] <whoever_> jrib: remote-desktop
[00:14] <dasuda> ok thanks
[00:14] <jrib> dasuda: I think vinagre is the default one
[00:15] <dasuda> coool
[00:16] <moksud_xp> I tried the code to update my packages... but Ubuntu tell me System Error 11
[00:17] <jrib> moksud_xp: you should pastebin full input and output
[00:17] <moksud_xp> how I can do it?
[00:17] <jrib> !pastebin | moksud_xp
[00:17] <moksud_xp> I don't have a GUI on Ubuntu
[00:18] <ickers> thx jrib, had found that page. Looking for something a bit more specific. eg. if PHP 5.3 reaches end of life before Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS what happens to security updates?
[00:18] <ickers> Will security fixes for PHP 5.4 be backported to PHP 5.3 by the ubuntu team?
[00:18] <moksud_xp> Anyway the error was that ubuntu cannot resolve the web address...
[00:19] <jrib> ickers: in general security fixes will be cherry-picked.  I'm not sure where you can go to get confirmation on that though
[00:19] <jrib> ickers: you might see if there's a relative mailing list you can poke (http://lists.ubuntu.com)
[00:20] <jrib> erm, s/relative/relevant
[00:20] <jrib> moksud_xp: are you physically at the ubuntu machine without a gui or are you connected to it over ssh from a machine with a gui?
[00:20] <ickers> jrib: ok, thanks, probably why I can't find anything
[00:20] <jrib> !sru | ickers
[00:21] <jrib> ickers: might be some pointers for you there including where to go to get some more info
[00:21] <moksud_xp> I phisically installed Ubuntu on my HDD
[00:21] <draconus> used: 666G < scary...
[00:21] <moksud_xp> now I'm on my SSD that run Windows
[00:22] <jrib> moksud_xp: so you are connecting to ubuntu through ssh from your windows machine?
[00:22] <moksud_xp> nah
[00:22] <jrib> moksud_xp: so you are physically running back and forth between the two computers?  Or are you rebooting a single machine?
[00:22] <moksud_xp> normally I need to restart My PC and choose SSD or HDD to switch from windows to ubuntu or viceversa
[00:23] <moksud_xp> reeboting a single machine
[00:23] <jrib> moksud_xp: it will be hard to troubleshoot with you then since rebooting is annoying.  You should get on irc while on ubuntu
[00:23] <ickers> ubottu, jrib: that looks like what I am looking for! Great :-)
[00:23] <moksud_xp> It's why I decided to install GUI and Chrome on Ubuntu...
[00:25] <moksud_xp> how can I solve the problem of updating package?
[00:25] <jrib> moksud_xp: write down your full error and then type it up then
[00:26] <moksud_xp> okey, I'll do it tomorrow
[00:26] <moksud_xp> now I need to go
[00:26] <moksud_xp> thanks a lot jrib
[00:40] <karven> Who is good at C++??
[00:40] <darkgroove> I know a bit
[00:41] <karven> I met a big trouble.
[00:41] <darkgroove> what's wrong?
[00:42] <darkgroove> karven: what did you do?
[00:42] <karven> About Class
[00:42] <karven> C++ programmer
[00:44] <karven> No one know about the class of C++?
[00:45] <hailwood> Hi Guys, My ubuntu install just went up the creek, so I am looking to do a complete re-do of my hard drive, it's a 500Gb, I am wanting to triple boot, Windows 8, Ubuntu 13.04, and a play partition (Fedora at this stage, but may change, will always be a linux distro though). Due to the 4 primary only, issue I am looking to use LVM but have no idea how, so I am hoping someone can give me some pointers, or a real easy guide?
[00:46] <gartral> hey all, I'm in a jam and I hosed Grub, I've done grub-install after chroot'ing my drive, but what on earth happened to setup-grub/grub-setup?
[00:47] <Kitt3n> gartral, what?
[00:47] <holstein> gartral: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:47] <gartral> hailwood: LVM is supported "out of the box" by nearly every distro.. if you keep the two root partitions in an LVM it should "just work"
[00:48] <gartral> holstein: I need a command-line only method, right now I'm stuck using a serial console.
[00:48] <gartral> holstein: (don't ask.. flakey graphics card)
[00:48] <holstein> gartral: you do that from a live cd
[00:48] <Kitt3n> ^
[00:48] <mint__> yop
[00:48] <holstein> gartral: you can use nomodeset from that live CD with a flaky whatever
[00:48] <gartral> holstein: I know, but i can't boot a window manager
[00:49] <mint__> \set nick PLEXXirssi
[00:49] <pfifo> ehlo
[00:49] <gartral> holstein: let me rephrase that, my graphics card is BURNT. Blackened. Will Not Work.
[00:49] <mint__> wow what and epic fail
[00:50] <gartral> mint__: we've all done it
[00:50] <holstein> gartral: so, you want to ssh into the machine? from another? i would take the hard drive to another machine and service it
[00:50] <gartral> holstein: I can't. I don't have another machine that can use IDE.
[00:51] <hailwood> gartral, so If I install Windows 8, that should use two primary partitions due to it's system reservered for boot; then install Ubuntu, there should be an option to use a single LVM partition which should create two LV's one for the system and one for swap on that single partition? then same for fedora?
[00:51] <gartral> seriously though, I need to setup grub from the command line
[00:52] <holstein> !grub | gartral
[00:52] <hailwood> gartral, So the whole install should only use three primary partitions, is my thinking there correct?
[00:52] <Kitt3n> hailwood, are you on an EFI computer?
[00:52] <c|oneman>  Is it normal that sirq % is not taken into account whan calculating CPU load, in TOP?
[00:52] <samy_> alguien q sepa de controladoras raid? tengo un adaptec 1220SA
[00:52] <hailwood> Kitt3n, I believe it's EFI capable, but I don't think it uses it...
[00:52] <samy_> algua ayuda para porder ver los dispositivos conectados?
[00:53] <reisio> samy_: #Ubuntu-es
[00:53] <Kitt3n> hailwood, check it out, if it's EFI *based* switch it to EFI, and install Windows 8 in EFI and Ubuntu in EFI mode.
[00:53] <Kitt3n> hailwood, and keep the playground to a VIRTUAL machine so you don't damage your computer.
[00:53] <pfifo> Unless its a samsung laptop, then dont use efi
[00:53] <gartral> hailwood: you could do that, or do what I've done, where I have 3 Linux root partitions in a single LVM, my /home and swap are physical partitions, and my recovery OS is in it's own partition
[00:54] <Kitt3n> hailwood, EFI also doesn't limit you to 4 primary partitions because of GPT.
[00:54] <reisio> how many OSes do you need...
[00:54] <Kitt3n> pfifo, eeeeh, why so? Did Samsung go ahead and do more shit?
[00:54] <Kitt3n> reisio, I say one OS is enough.
[00:54] <reisio> and I
[00:54] <reisio> particularly installed to metal
[00:55] <gartral> reisio: FreeBSD, Ubuntu, a "play around" partition, and my recovery is an install of UBCD
[00:55] <reisio> sorry that was rhetorical, nobody needs more than one :p
[00:56] <gartral> holstein: I've done that, and I get dropped to a grub recovery CLI
[00:56] <holstein> gartral: thats where you want to be.. that is CLI for recovery.. you can also try the first information i linked, and do it from a live CD in the terminal
[00:56] <gartral> reisio: unless you game seriously, and code, in which case you need 2, Windows 7, and a Linux Distro
[00:57] <reisio> nah :p
[00:57] <holstein> !steam
[00:57] <gartral> holstein: barely 2% of the serious games on steam have been ported
[00:57] <Kitt3n> Who needs M$ and their garbage.
[00:57] <gartral> Kitt3n: really, no one
[00:57] <holstein> gartral: check out the steam channel or the offtopic channel to discuss games
[00:58] <Kitt3n> gartral, that's why you give your best to force the big companies to port their games to Linux.
[00:58] <hailwood> Hmm, I am rather confused now... I guess I need to go research efi now...
[00:58] <reisio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[00:58] <gartral> hailwood: EFI is great, most systems from 2011+ have it
[00:58] <saiarcot895> gartral: Kitt3n: unfortunately, some niche software is available only for Windows, and some PDF (in all the creators' brilliance) can only be read by Adobe Reader X
[00:59] <gartral> holstein: ok
[00:59] <reisio> yeah, EFI makes it so that BIOS configuration menu... has graphics
[00:59] <reisio> boom amazing
[00:59] <wilee-nilee> hailwood, Here is a ubuntu forum help on uefi installs. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[00:59] <Kitt3n> reisio, oh it does way more than that :3
[00:59] <gartral> saiarcot895: got an example?
[00:59] <reisio> Kitt3n: heheh
[01:00] <gartral> holstein: so I'm at the point where I have a grub recovery CLI, NOW what
[01:00] <saiarcot895> gartral: See the PDFs on this page: https://www.utdallas.edu/career/statistics/#results
[01:01] <saiarcot895> gartral: As for the software, well, there's Wine and Mono
[01:01] <Kitt3n> saiarcot895, give me 3 examples of software that is only available in Windows without any Linux alternatives.
[01:02] <saiarcot895> Kitt3n: Google Sketchup (for modelling in Google Earth), Zacks Research Wizard, and I don't have a third one (Lexmark Imaging Studio? although that's not needed)
[01:02] <reisio> I'd settle for one
[01:02] <pfifo> D: Launchpad is broken even worse than before
[01:02]  * wilee-nilee wishes new helpers realized this is support not chat.
[01:03] <Kitt3n> wilee-nilee, I am not switching to another channel for silly chat <3.
[01:03] <randomnick_> hello
[01:03] <Kitt3n> Hi randomnick_! :)
[01:03] <randomnick_> sudo apt-get install gimp
[01:03] <randomnick_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:03] <randomnick_> Building dependency tree
[01:03] <randomnick_> Reading state information... Done
[01:03] <randomnick_> Package gimp is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:03] <FloodBot1> randomnick_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:03] <randomnick_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> !paste > randomnick_
[01:03] <holstein> gartral: this looks pretty current http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html
[01:04] <reisio> holstein: for GRUB legacy?
[01:04] <holstein> reisio: link something else if you have it
[01:04] <reisio> I'm asking
[01:05] <reisio> does he need something for 2?
[01:05] <randomnick_> uhh, im sorry
[01:05] <reisio> or for legacy?
[01:05] <holstein> reisio: its for gartral .. he *cant* use a GUI
[01:05] <randomnick_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845325/    please help me install gimp:(
[01:05] <reisio> k... but which grub does he need help with
[01:05] <reisio> gartral: do you ^
[01:05] <Kitt3n> reisio, most likely grub-pc
[01:06] <holstein> should look like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#The_terminal_way ..which i already linked
[01:06] <reisio> gartral: you're at a grub prompt? does it say the version?
[01:06] <pfifo> randomnick_, can you pastebin the output of 'lsb_release -sd && cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:07] <randomnick_> pfifo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845328/
[01:07] <booh> I have 2 Ubuntu Server link with site-site vpn.  I want to backup site1 server to site2 server.  Wich backup solution should I install?   I have samba sharing.  I don't know if I would want mirror site or archiving...  What is your suggestion?
[01:08] <pfifo> randomnick_, you need to add the universe repo to your sources.list
[01:08] <draconus> booh i'm not into vpn at all, what does it mean site-site vpn? two machines acting like virtually one and sharing filesystems etc?
[01:09] <randomnick_> could you please tell me how can i do that?
[01:09] <holstein> !universe
[01:11] <pfifo> randomnick_, heres a good sources.list that adds everything and akitchen sink, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with this and then run 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:11] <pfifo> randomnick_, http://fpaste.org/23141/72986642/
[01:15] <randomnick_> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[01:15] <booh> draconus, site-site vpn is a tunnel establish between two network so server2 is seen as on the LAN... but with a slower connexion...
[01:15] <pfifo> randomnick_, try installing gimp now
[01:15] <booh> draconus you can consider both servers are on the same LAN.  But in fact, one is on another physical site...
[01:16] <tannji> what would be the terminal command to install "lib32stdc++"?
[01:16] <booh> draconus I told about vpn just to notice the link between both servers are not as fast as the LAN... about 1mbps instead of 1000mbps...
[01:16] <reisio> tannji: ask apt-file
[01:17] <draconus> booh thank you very much, it all sounds great
[01:17] <randomnick_> pfifo: thank you:))
[01:17] <draconus> besides the link speed of course :) but assuming that those are 2 dedicated servers on 100mbit+ lines... that would be so cool
[01:17] <tannji> reisio,  thanks, but can you elaborate a little?  dumb it down slightly.. and be a little condescending if you have to  = )
[01:18] <pfifo> randomnick_, you might neeed to change the entries that have 'security' in them from archive.ubuntu.com to security.ubuntu.com to get rid of the error your saw
[01:18] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, apt-cache search lib32stdc < see what this gives
[01:19] <reisio> tannji: sudo apt-get install apt-file, then run it
[01:19] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, then install the one without "debugging"
[01:19] <tannji> reisio,  right, thanks  = )
[01:19] <booh> draconus yes.  It's easy to do with pfsense gateway/router...
[01:20] <booh> Anyway, now my focus is how I should backup one server to the other one...
[01:21] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  apt-cache search returned nothing
[01:22] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, uname -r < says what?
[01:23] <draconus> booh oh so that's hardware
[01:23] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  3.2.0-35-generic
[01:23] <Corey> draconus: You can run pfsense virtualized.
[01:24] <draconus> booh i might be able to help with suggestion of creating a backup using dd
[01:24] <draconus> Corey that sounds great
[01:24] <alexandros_c> hello, is there a way to run ncurse application as if they were regular applications? I notice that ubuntu run htop as if it is a gui application. Is there a way to get weechat-curses to run like that?
[01:25] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, dunno then
[01:25] <reisio> alexandros_c: hrmm?
[01:25] <draconus> booh that's what i did today - i had to move 1TB of data from one drive to another but it could as well be another machine... i was adviced to use dd to create images of whole partitions - in your case you could then just recreate exactly same partitions on that other machine
[01:26] <pfifo> draconus, sounds like bad advice, I would have recommended rsync to save a boat load of time
[01:26] <pfifo> s/boat/freightliner/
[01:27] <draconus> pfifo depends if that's one time or backup on a regular basis... if regular than of course rsync
[01:27] <reisio> draconus: who're you talking to?
[01:27] <alexandros_c> reisio: in ubuntu htop can be accessed through the hud but weechat can not, I am asking if there is a to run weechat through the hud like htop since they are both ncurses applications
[01:27] <reisio> pfifo: he had special circumstances, we went through rsync
[01:27] <draconus> reisio still here? nice :) talking to booh
[01:27] <reisio> alexandros_c: ah
[01:27] <reisio> alexandros_c: you'll need a .desktop file that opens a terminal with the command 'weechat', basically
[01:28] <reisio> booh: yeah would probably go with rsync for you
[01:28] <alexandros_c> reisio: ok where do you put that .desktop file?
[01:34] <reisio> pfifo: heh
[01:34] <reisio> no
[01:34] <u3> put ite on youtube you know some Norway trip i did fore 2 days a go
[01:35] <pfifo> reisio, I was about to say... squashfs-tools
[01:35] <reisio> pfifo: for what?
[01:35] <pfifo> reisio, as a superior alternative to dd+tar (but since that didnt happen no real loss)
[01:36] <reisio> oh
[01:36] <reisio> yeah his partitions were almost entirely full
[01:36] <reisio> so the ordinary dd was not a waste as it ordinarily would've been
[01:37] <reisio> and he actually wanted to avoid compression 'cause he had plenty of storage space and didn't want to wait when accessing it at all
[01:38] <u3> well i will try again and se what happens, but this time i will not fail
[01:38] <reisio> u3: good plan
[01:38] <pfifo> u3, keep an eye on your memory, and have a swapfile ready to swapon
[01:38] <draconus> yes!
[01:39] <draconus> !split
[01:39] <sh3llc0d3r> piple how can i turn off notifications am using xchat on ubutu
[01:40] <Pici> !quietxchat
[01:40] <draconus> ubottu doesn't know about !split
[01:40] <reisio> it's probably 'netsplit'
[01:40] <draconus> ubottu: botsnack
[01:40] <draconus> !netsplit
[01:40] <sh3llc0d3r> ubottu, thanks that worked for me
[01:40] <draconus> thank you reisio :)
[01:41] <reisio> :p
[01:41] <pfifo> sh3llc0d3r, you can remove notify-osd or what ever notifier daemon your using
[01:41] <sh3llc0d3r> pfifo, good to know, thanks
[01:42] <u3> pfifo,thanks for that i forget that the memory can be full some times
[01:43] <pfifo> Pici, for some reason I have to click hide joins/parts everytime i log into freenode (I only want it for a few rooms though, not all of them)
[01:43] <pfifo> u3, and disk drive too, make sure your not using /tmp as a ramdisk as well
[01:43] <Pici> pfifo: /shrug, I'm not a xchat user myself, I just call the factoids up ;)
[01:44] <pfifo> Pici, so your saying I should just switch to irssi?
[01:44] <draconus> reisio my work with moving data isn't done anyway... i'm 200GB short on that other drive :/
[01:44] <reisio> draconus: that's a lot of data
[01:44] <draconus> reisio i would consider downsizing the source partition but i'm afraid of issues...
[01:45] <booh> yes backup is on regular basis..
[01:45] <Pici> pfifo: or ask in #xchat, yes ;)
[01:45] <reisio> draconus: doing what?
[01:45] <booh> Is there better than rsync today?  rsync is old ;-)
[01:45] <booh> Also, is there some "archiving" solution?
[01:45] <holstein> !better
[01:45] <reisio> booh: well, it depends
[01:46] <pfifo> booh, yes, i keep hearing about 'clonezilla' could be what your looking for
[01:46] <reisio> most of the alternatives that are better for particular situations are also based on rsync :)
[01:46] <draconus> reisio i managed to empty 75% of a big source partition and now i would love to shrink it to make space for a new partition to come with fresh system as all the rest is already copied and safe
[01:46] <booh> I think I will use rsync but I just wonder if today is there a better way... with possibility to archive too...  (If I want a modify file for example and rollback this file 2 weeks ago)
[01:46] <reisio> draconus: you can't just wait for the last 200gb to copy?
[01:46] <reisio> booh: in that case, use rdiff-backup
[01:46] <u3> i think i will have to by a turbo processor
[01:46] <booh> I can't reboot to do backup with clonezila!
[01:46] <draconus> reisio i'm getting short of space there, i forgot about one more umounted partition on destination
[01:52] <alexandros_c> anyone know how to make an application visible in the HUD?
[01:55] <Ububegin> I just did a ls -lrt on a folder.. and all its permissions were to set "???????" . What does it mean . I wanted to execute a chmod u+x folder.. But I get a chmod and Permission denied error
[01:56] <draconus> reisio i have just found another 120GB on destination ;)
[01:57] <Ububegin> Hi, can anyone see me
[01:58] <w30> Ububegin: that's a folder you don't own maybe mounted by someone else. I get that when I am sudo and look at .gvfs mounted by user
[01:58] <w30> Ububegin: if you are the owner it shows right under ls -la
[01:58] <draconus> reisio the last concern i'm having is if the mysql will work fine when i just move all the files from /var/mysql back in there and not populate databases from actual backups which aren't too fresh
[01:59] <rypervenche> draconus: Are you replacing the entire directory or only some of the database directories?
[01:59] <Ububegin> w30, this was a folder created by me sometime back in my home directory.. I just removed the permissions last time.. Cant remember which permission I removed. But now, I cant change to permissions back
[02:00] <draconus> rypervenche i plan to replace just everything
[02:00] <rypervenche> draconus: Then you'll be fine. Just move the old directory out of the way and put the new one in and start MySQL.
[02:00] <draconus> rypervenche will that really work? i'm seriously worried
[02:00] <rypervenche> draconus: It will.
[02:01] <james41382> Are services down? I can't identify with nickserv
[02:01] <rypervenche> james41382: netsplit.
[02:01] <draconus> rypervenche thank you so much, i really hope there won't be any more troubles on that box
[02:01] <w30> james41382: we just had a netsplit..............
[02:01] <rypervenche> draconus: I recommend taking backups from now on.
[02:01] <draconus> w30 another one to be exact :)
[02:01] <james41382> w30: What does that mean?
[02:01] <w30> draconus: heh heh
[02:01] <draconus> rypervenche i do but all of them were on a partition that failed
[02:02] <rypervenche> !netsplit > james41382
[02:02] <rypervenche> draconus: Multiple backups in multiple locations.
[02:02] <draconus> rypervenche and i lost several hours of data since backups are sheduled every 6 hours - that's why i want to put files in there
[02:02] <draconus> rypervenche i promise i will from now on
[02:02] <james41382> rypervenche: So it will eventually simply resolve and I'll be able to identify?
[02:02] <rypervenche> draconus: I personally keep daily backups of my databases for 30 days on two different servers, one in a different country.
[02:03] <rypervenche> james41382: Yep, give it a bit.
[02:03] <draconus> lesson well learned... been like 18 hrs of rescuing so far
[02:03] <w30> james41382: it means you broke the net by being one of too many users so rather than fail irc splits into two units
[02:03] <james41382> rypervenche: Great, thanks.
[02:03] <draconus> james41382 you just type too much and then it breaks
[02:04] <james41382> draconus: That's hard to believe as I don't type very fast.. lol.
[02:04] <draconus> james41382 perhaps you insulted the Nickserv? :)
[02:04] <james41382> draconus: Oh I believe that one... that lousy sob deserved every word.
[02:04] <draconus> he he
[02:05] <draconus> james41382 ha ha
[02:05] <draconus> see? lousy sob worked again...
[02:06] <tannji> whats going on?  is this normal, or is someone playing games?
[02:06] <james41382> draconus: Right.. I need to lay off the pour guy already.
[02:06] <james41382> poor*
[02:06] <RoDiMuS-X> Wow I haven't seen the likes of IRC attacks in ages
[02:06] <draconus> 3 netsplits in 10 mins. is quite abnormal here
[02:06] <RoDiMuS-X> Server split, Flood Bots oped
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> There is #ubuntu-offtopic for the coffee chat. ;)
[02:06] <saiarcot895> What did I miss?
[02:08] <pfifo> its not an attack, the new guy at the datacenter is trying to figure out what switch #131 does
[02:08] <draconus> ha ha pfifo
[02:09] <draconus> 3 black outs weren't enough :) i bet he is fired till now ;)
[02:09] <u3> thanks for the good info
[02:10] <reisio> draconus: it'll either 'just work' or it will take a little bit of effort but still work
[02:10] <draconus> don't ever touch that #131 switch again!
[02:10] <reisio> draconus: assuming the data is intact, I don't recall what you did
[02:11] <draconus> reisio working on that box since last morning...
[02:11] <draconus> reisio it's a weird story and many lessons learned
[02:12] <draconus> my new rule #1: never backup to the production drive unless you are a moron
[02:12] <draconus> new rule #2: never do crazy stuff on production box
[02:13] <reisio> draconus: well, definitely with the backups :p
[02:13] <draconus> reisio and how about crazy stuff?
[02:13] <w30> draconus: tha't what you get by living in the fast lane
[02:13] <draconus> w30 exactly
[02:13] <reisio> draconus: matters less if you've a backup
[02:13] <draconus> reisio it is not possible to backup 1TB every day
[02:14] <draconus> reisio in fact i never backed up like 80% of that...
[02:14] <pfifo> draconus, 'incremental backup'
[02:14] <reisio> draconus: you generate 1tb of new data every day?
[02:14] <draconus> pfifo i will have to learn about that in practice
[02:14] <reisio> well you don't need to backup the OS files
[02:14] <reisio> because those are mirrored all over the world
[02:14] <reisio> draconus: look into rdiff-backup
[02:14] <draconus> reisio not really, it was a huge archive in there also
[02:15] <draconus> reisio so that really works? like each mysql backup is 5GB then it would rdiff to like several hundreds of megs?
[02:15] <reisio> draconus: well, ideally for sql backups
[02:15] <reisio> draconus: you'd dump first
[02:15] <gwenbell> I'm on Ubuntu 13.04, on a circa 2010 MBA. All is good except when I use Vim, the text on the screen garbles and the machine locks up. Thoughts?
[02:16] <reisio> draconus: at that point you could do an incremental backup if you wanted
[02:16] <draconus> reisio so regular dump and then rdiff with previous dump?
[02:16] <reisio> technically just backing up the files is just as good
[02:16] <reisio> so maybe combine rdiff-backup of the filesystem with a single dump of the db
[02:16]  * reisio shrugs
[02:16] <holstein> gwenbell: how do you use vim?
[02:16] <fafafew> what's the quickest way to solve the windows ubuntu dual boot problem ? windows destroy grub solutins
[02:16] <draconus> reisio indeed but then if i could store only those rdiffs then it's easier to e.g. upload them to remote box
[02:17] <reisio> sql db's don't necessarily take up that much space
[02:17] <fafafew> for encrypted ubuntu
[02:17] <reisio> draconus: well, I'm sure you'll find the right combination
[02:17] <gwenbell> holstein: from terminal
[02:17] <holstein> fafafew: its not a problem.. install and recover grub with ubuntu boot repair
[02:17] <holstein> gwenbell: have you tried other terminal emulators? or tty?
[02:17] <reisio> draconus: rdiff-backup and rsync are your best tools, the former for incremental
[02:17] <draconus> reisio, pfifo: many thanks for pointing me to rdiff
[02:17] <fafafew> boot repair ask to decrypt now that's the problem
[02:18] <gwenbell> holstein: not yet, will give it a go now
[02:18] <reisio> draconus: oh, and rdiff-backup-fs for restoring from the backup later on
[02:18] <reisio> draconus: very handy
[02:18] <reisio> draconus: it translates all the diffs into virtual timestamped directories
[02:18] <draconus> reisio even now i keep like 500 gigs of backups and they don't differ much... so could i rdiff those files?
[02:19] <draconus> rfidd-backup-fs sounds like orgasm to me :))
[02:19] <reisio> yeah, rdiff-backup will save you loads of space
[02:19] <reisio> yeah it's pretty hot
[02:19] <fafafew> who got solution to my problem????
[02:19] <reisio> fafafew: I
[02:19] <draconus> reisio that is just great, i will test soon
[02:20] <fafafew> reisio and your solution is ........................
[02:20] <reisio> fafafew: I don't know your problem yet
[02:21] <draconus> pfifo, reisio: i also used to have some services that required dumping a gig every hour... wish i knew about rdiff before
[02:21] <reisio> live and learn :)
[02:21] <draconus> so here i am :)
[02:21] <pfifo> draconus, you should have just asked ;)
[02:21] <draconus> this channel is where i learned best things about systems in my life
[02:22] <draconus> irc is truly live knowledge learned every minute
[02:22] <fafafew> reisio , ................classic win , ubuntu , grub destry problem but with a twist .... ubuntu is in encrpted partition
[02:22] <draconus> pfifo yah... but than you need to imagine something first to even ask about it :)
[02:22] <draconus> then*
[02:23] <reisio> fafafew: okay, and?
[02:23] <pfifo> fafafew, its asking you to decrypt your partition? Whats the problem there? dont know how to decrypt it? we can help
[02:23] <reisio> it can take a while to realize that the open source world already has an impeccable solution to virtually every problem
[02:23] <reisio> instead of just assuming it doesn't exist
[02:24] <draconus> well yes but in case of incremental backups... when you do regular ones for like 20 years... you are blocked
[02:24] <reisio> exactly
[02:24] <reisio> just takes a little rewiring
[02:24] <draconus> you don't even consider a though of something different
[02:24] <reisio> of your brain :)
[02:24] <fafafew> pfifo how?
[02:24] <draconus> reisio and that's what irc is great for
[02:24] <reisio> maybe you have been fortunate enough to have always had plenty of storage space to compensate :)
[02:25] <draconus> reisio one is always up to date here with people doing all the magic
[02:25] <pfifo> fafafew, well first, i need some information, is this the whole partition or just your home directory?
[02:25] <draconus> reisio indeed... when you got loads of space you don't even think of shrinking
[02:25] <fafafew> what if i dont want to decrypt the partition , how to solve it ?
[02:25] <reisio> fafafew: what is the problem?
[02:25] <reisio> I still haven't seen you say, I don't think
[02:26] <pfifo> reisio, fafafew needs to decrypt his partition to repair grub
[02:26] <draconus> reisio he said before: "classic win , ubuntu , grub destry problem but with a twist .... ubuntu is in encrpted partition"
[02:26] <pfifo> i think
[02:26] <holstein> unless its just the /home partition
[02:26] <fafafew> pfifio , i guess home directory i remember that's the only one get encrypted and boot-repair is asking to decrpt so i guess that's the one
[02:26] <draconus> and he doesn't want to decrypt
[02:26] <master_> Can i install nvidia-325 in precise and still retain optimus compatibility somehow?
[02:27] <reisio> yeah I read what he said
[02:27] <pfifo> fafafew, can you pastebin the output of 'sudo blkid && sudo fdisk -l'
[02:27] <reisio> he hasn't said what the actual problem is yet
[02:27] <draconus> just making it nicer for you :)
[02:28] <fafafew> pfifo , i'm not on ubuntu right now
[02:28] <w30> fafafew: boot your ubuntu live cd then update-grub and install grub from it
[02:28] <Freb> is nvidia for gaming and novuea for?
[02:28] <fafafew> w30 , how to do that
[02:28] <pfifo> fafafew, ok, can you boot a livecd?
[02:29] <w30> fafafew: this link is for fixing boot menu after mageia messes it up but it works for all
[02:29] <holstein> fafafew: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[02:30] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows fafafew
[02:30] <w30> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4172&hilit=dual+boot+ubuntu
[02:31] <draconus> piping mysqldump tru rdiff-backup... that's really HOT
[02:32] <rypervenche> draconus: I don't really see the point with mysql dumps though, because they'll always be the same. I just use cronjobs for that.
[02:32] <pfifo> draconus, mysqld has its own backup solutions, i think your going a bit too far with it
[02:32] <rypervenche> draconus: Dump it, zip it, delete old ones.
[02:32] <draconus> hm
[02:32] <reisio> well they won't always be the same, and if they are rdiff-backup would know :p
[02:33] <rypervenche> Sorry, that's what I meant.
[02:33] <reisio> rypervenche: what, what pfifo said?
[02:33] <Programmer_> was there a netsplit
[02:34] <reisio> Programmer_: yup, a few
[02:34] <Programmer_> are services still down?
[02:34] <rypervenche> reisio: What you said.
[02:34] <Pici> yes
[02:34] <reisio> Programmer_: seems so
[02:34] <Programmer_> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKKK
[02:34] <Kitt3n> Programmer_, at least two netsplits
[02:34] <reisio> rypervenche: ohz
[02:34] <reisio> Programmer_: :D
[02:34] <reisio> #freenode
[02:34] <Programmer_> imma die
[02:34] <Programmer_> was getting metasploit help
[02:34] <holstein> Programmer_: language, please
[02:34] <draconus> actually there were 3 netsplits in short time
[02:35] <draconus> rypervenche for now i dump and pipe tru pigz... but i can't just delete the previous one for many reasons, i need to stack them for few months at least
[02:36] <w30> NSA is downloading the internet again
[02:36] <draconus> indeed
[02:36] <pfifo> good night all
[02:36] <draconus> taking an incremental backup right now ;)
[02:37] <draconus> g'nite!
[02:37] <Programmer_> w30, lmfao
[02:37] <rypervenche> draconus: So do that. Then create a cron to delete those that are older than a certain time.
[02:38] <draconus> rypervenche problem being that each dump is 5 gigs... and i take like 4 per day
[02:38] <Anon503> this isn't really a question but I just need somebody to claim I'm being paranoid... I know this is odd
[02:38] <Anon503> but basically this has been in the back of my head and it bugs me
[02:38] <guest3035> lll
[02:39] <draconus> rypervenche so incrementing those would save a ton of space and yet allow me to easily rsync to another box
[02:39] <Programmer_> w30, very clever
[02:39] <Anon503> so 3 years ago on an old windows laptop one of my virtual machines got exploited and got malware on the host, that's how I got into linux
[02:39] <rypervenche> draconus: You can't increment a mysql dump.
[02:39] <Anon503> now I have my own built desktop
[02:39] <rypervenche> draconus: It won't do anything differently. Now, are you using any InnoDB tables?
[02:39] <Anon503> my old laptop has been formatted multiple times
[02:39] <reisio> rypervenche: why not?
[02:39] <draconus> rypervenche why wouldn't it work?
[02:40] <Anon503> but I plugged in my usb on a fresh linux install, burned xubuntu and installed it on my desktop
[02:40] <rypervenche> reisio: If he's using rdiff-backup it won't do it that way. The file will have changed and it will backup all different versions.
[02:40] <Anon503> I'm a paranoid person and think bios rootkits are spreading.. just tell me I'm wrong
[02:40] <draconus> and yes, i got mostly myisam but some inno as well
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> Anon503, Can you get to the point in one line.
[02:40] <Anon503> sorry sorry... I'm stressing over nothing
[02:40] <draconus> Anon503: bios rootkits are spreading
[02:40] <reisio> rypervenche: I don't think so...
[02:40] <reisio> rypervenche: you might be thinking of rsnapshot
[02:41] <Anon503> it's just irrational I know that, but I needed somebody to tell me that
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> Anon503, root kits in the bios is way off topic here.
[02:41] <EbonHeart> just replace your mobo.. paranoia solved
[02:41] <reisio> moboviruses ftl
[02:41] <Anon503> ok sorry.. not the best place
[02:41] <rypervenche> reisio: I"m talking about rdiff-backuping the mysql dumps.
[02:42] <draconus> rypervenche, reisio: http://serverfault.com/questions/130903/how-to-backup-database-dumps-which-only-minor-changes-between-the-backups
[02:43] <RoDiMuS-X> Is using an Anti-virus necessary with Ubuntu?
[02:43] <somsip> !virus | RoDiMuS-X
[02:43] <rypervenche> Ahh, interesting. I didn't realize it worked on the file level like that. Good to know
[02:44] <reisio> rypervenche: yeah rsnapshot is the one that just backs up the entire altered file
[02:44] <rypervenche> Learned something new today then.
[02:44] <reisio> I get them confused all the time myself :/
[02:44] <reisio> arrrrrr
[02:44] <reisio> buncha pirate programmers
[02:44] <draconus> rypervenche so did i :)
[02:44] <draconus> cheers reisio!
[02:44] <draconus> and pfifo which is sleeping already
[02:44] <rypervenche> draconus: Then I need to fix my own backup schema. I've got it creating 30 files, when I only need it to overwrite the file :P
[02:44] <draconus> who*
[02:44] <reisio> see it used to be that actually restoring from rdiff-backup data was such a pain, because you have to know the exact time and syntax
[02:45] <reisio> but that's all done away with since rdiff-backup-fs
[02:45] <draconus> reisio there are even more approaches... did you check that serverfault link?
[02:45] <draconus> duplicty etc.
[02:45] <reisio> duplicity is also rsync based, IIRC
[02:45] <reisio> and I prefer commands
[02:45] <reisio> ...so I know wtf is going on
[02:46] <reisio> duplicity is gui oriented, IIRC
[02:46] <draconus> oh crap
[02:46]  * draconus hates GUI
[02:47] <rypervenche> reisio: Does rdiff-backup-fs touch the files or does it access them read-only?
[02:47] <draconus> so i'm staying with rdiff as soon as i learn and test the rdiff fs as that's crucial
[02:47] <Magu1978> exit
[02:47] <Magu1978> quit
[02:48] <reisio> rypervenche: just a read only virtual timestamped directory hierarchy AIUI
[02:48] <draconus> Magu1978 you can't escape the matrix
[02:48] <reisio> buncha dirs with YYYY-MM-DD-HHMMSS or something like that
[02:48] <reisio> pick the one you want and cp as preferred
[02:48] <rypervenche> reisio: Awesome. Thank you. I'll try it out.
[02:48] <reisio> it's pretty fancy to watch it in action :p
[02:48] <draconus> reisio can you tell it to work e.g. 100 files at once?
[02:49] <reisio> draconus: it takes every single revision in your rdiff-backup directory
[02:49] <reisio> draconus: and presents it as virtual, timestamped directories
[02:49] <draconus> it will take a while for me
[02:49] <reisio> well ideally you won't be restoring from backups a lot anyways :p
[02:50] <reisio> but in the event you need to, from rdiff-backup data, this makes it simple
[02:50] <draconus> Anon503 yes, there are many bios rks...
[02:50] <Anon503> sorry I want to apoligize.  I was having a panic attack for some reason and thought here was the best place to put it
[02:50] <draconus> reisio in fact i did just once
[02:50] <Anon503> you've had one?
[02:50] <draconus> j/k :)
[02:51] <draconus> reisio i will heavily work on mastering this thing
[02:51] <Evy> Hey i need some help with ubuntu it ramdonly pops up with "sytem programe problem detected"
[02:52] <reisio> draconus: heh
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Evy: What version, flavor, etc.?
[02:52] <Evy> ubuntu 12.04
[02:53] <Evy> just installed it i have a ati Radeon hd 4250
[02:53] <Anon503> basically I have panic attacks sometimes for no reason.  Like this time I had one from burning an iso to a usb from my old computer that had a virus 3 years ago
[02:53] <Kitt3n> Evy, do you have the crash log?
[02:53] <Anon503> and installing my os from the usb.. I assume to worst
[02:53] <bazhang> !ot | Anon503
[02:54] <Anon503> ok.. sorry
[02:54] <Evy> where can i get that?
[02:54] <Kitt3n> There should be a button on the apport window, well, there is in 12.10 and 13.04
[02:54] <Kitt3n> No idea about 12.04
[02:56] <Evy> what os version should i be using? i don't know due the video driver being so old "Automated installer and Display Drivers for Xorg 6.9 to Xserver 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4"
[02:56] <Kitt3n> Evy, personally, I would just reinstall with ubuntu 13.04 and use the official AMD graphics drivers
[02:57] <Evy> ... it say somthing about xorg 6.9 and kernel 3.4
[02:58] <Kitt3n> Hmm, yah.
[02:58] <Evy> error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845504/
[02:59] <Evy> its a compaq cq62-402au with 8gb of ram
[03:05] <draconus> what would be my steps to make sure that grub can boot the system on reboot?
[03:07] <b80905> i'm looking for a very simple desktop environment that will  only be able to launch terminal and\or firefox when i press a  certain hotkey.
[03:09] <reisio> b80905: and no other applications at all?
[03:09] <shodan45> I have openvpn client working in 12.04, but I can't figure out how to get it to start at boot... am I missing something?
[03:09] <b80905> reisio: and some other applications
[03:10] <reisio> b80905: mmm, why? :)
[03:10] <partounian> Hey guys installl xampp:i386, because of the unmet depencies: python-gtk2 and python-glade2, then next line it E: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. I am running 12.04.2 64bit.
[03:11] <reisio> partounian: xampp is more useful for Windows users
[03:11] <reisio> partounian: just install apache and php and whatever you want
[03:11] <bazhang> !xampp | partounian
[03:11] <partounian> reisio: Apache keeps giving me a virtualhost configuration error and I couldn't fix it, it's a pain the arse tbh.
[03:12] <reisio> partounian: well #httpd can help with that
[03:12] <bazhang> partounian, use lamp , it's what  is supported here
[03:12] <reisio> partounian: or you could look into nginx, which is... better :)
[03:12] <partounian> Alright.
[03:12] <b80905> reisio: to get the most out of my machine
[03:12] <reisio> b80905: so you just want something light
[03:12] <reisio> b80905: xbindkeys, for example, combined with any window manager could give you that
[03:12] <shodan45> b80905: icewm may suit you
[03:13] <hermann> hello
[03:13] <Evy> Hey can some one please help me with my issue?
[03:13] <studious> I just recompiled my Linux Kernel on my Acer C7 Chromebook running Chrubuntu 13.04 i386 to 3.8.0
[03:13] <hermann> ehyy
[03:13] <studious> woo hooooooooooooo!
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> Evy, Only if you share it. ;)
[03:14] <partounian> How I completely uninstall/reinstall lamp?
[03:14] <Evy> i have been http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845504/
[03:14] <Evy> using 12.04 due to ati drivers
[03:15] <partounian> Hopefully just purging it works unlike last time.
[03:15] <reisio> studious: chrubuntu, that's a new one
[03:15] <reisio> partounian: I think tasksel can do it all
[03:16] <reisio> but it's just apache, mysql/mariadb/postgresql, and php/python/perl/ruby/etc.
[03:16] <draconus> chrubuntu? lol
[03:16] <partounian> reisio: They say not to use tasksel for removing.
[03:16] <reisio> probably not
[03:16] <reisio> but you don't likely need to remove anything
[03:17] <studious> Chromebooks, by Google, run ChromeOS
[03:17] <draconus> studious is that Chrome Book as in spybook?
[03:17] <studious> ChrUbuntu is Chromebook running Ubuntu, aka, NSA Skybook
[03:18] <draconus> that's correct
[03:18] <wilee-nilee> studious, Not a channel topic this is support. ;)
[03:18] <draconus> and we don't support NSA in here ;)
[03:18] <reisio> hahah
[03:19] <studious> Chrubuntu is better than lame ubuntu
[03:19]  * wilee-nilee loves the ignore
[03:19] <reisio> studious: heh
[03:19] <draconus> i would believe in chroot on that chrubook as well as chrumount and chrufs :)
[03:20] <draconus> chrupn even
[03:20] <bazhang> !ot | studious
[03:20] <partounian> it works :D
[03:20] <draconus> just a chrukit :)
[03:22] <draconus> reisio after (finally) moving all of the data which was like 800GB safely... i have ONE and ONLY file that didn't move and reports i/o error when copying... it's a mere 7MB log file but very important... do you believe that i would be able to copy it somehow?
[03:23] <malimbar> Are there still DVD's that won't play even with ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[03:23] <reisio> draconus: grab as much of it as you can with ddrescue
[03:23] <reisio> draconus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29#Data_recovery
[03:23] <draconus> reisio so ddrescue can recover a single file too?
[03:23] <reisio> draconus: other than that, if rebooting and other magical things you can do to a failing hard disk don't help, it's gone
[03:24] <draconus> reisio it stops at 50% and i just need the last few lines of it
[03:24] <reisio> draconus: no but it can do a better job of grabbing the sectors the file spans than dd
[03:24] <reisio> dd fails on i/o errors
[03:24] <reisio> ddrescue keeps going
[03:24] <reisio> you end up with gaps, but you might not need those specific gaps
[03:24] <draconus> yup that's it then
[03:24] <malimbar> in VLC I'm getting the error "DVDRead could not open disc "/dev/dvd" and "VLC is unable to open <RL:///dev/dvd"
[03:24] <draconus> i only need last 100 lines and don't care about that middle stuff
[03:24] <malimbar> MRL I mean
[03:24] <reisio> malimbar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats ?
[03:24] <reisio> draconus: that raises your chances :p
[03:26] <Ububegin> I just did a ls -lrt on a folder.. and all its permissions were to set "???????" . What does it mean . I wanted to execute a chmod u+x folder.. But I get a chmod and Permission denied error
[03:26] <malimbar> reisio, I already have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed, so that doesn't work.
[03:26] <reisio> Ububegin: what fs is it?
[03:27] <draconus> reisio there is no ddrescue on my netboot :/
[03:27] <Evy> ... Help me please
[03:27] <reisio> draconus: what about dd_rescue
[03:27] <Ububegin> reisio: How do I find the "fs" ? is there a command for it
[03:27] <Neo31> what is your issue Evy
[03:27] <reisio> Ububegin: 'mount'
[03:27] <Evy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845504/
[03:28] <Evy> Neo31 : using 12.04 due to ati driver
[03:28] <draconus> reisio nope :/
[03:28] <reisio> Evy: can you explain what happened in English?
[03:28] <reisio> draconus: silly env :p
[03:28] <draconus> only dd in there
[03:28] <Evy> "system program problem detected" keeps poping up on new install
[03:28] <reisio> draconus: is it busybox?
[03:29] <draconus> nope
[03:29] <reisio> I bet it is
[03:29] <reisio> but no matter
[03:29] <draconus> it's ovh
[03:29] <Ububegin> reisio: Should I call mount thatFolder
[03:29] <Neo31> is says  to do : sudo apt-get upgrade libx11-data multiarch-support perl-base
[03:29] <reisio> Ububegin: no just compare the output of mount to that of pwd
[03:29] <Neo31> did you try that and test again!?
[03:29] <draconus> brb
[03:30] <Neo31> try a full system update too Evy
[03:30] <Evy> command?
[03:31] <Neo31> Evy, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:31] <Ububegin> reisio: Dont think it has got to with mount.. I have a couple of folders in my home drive.. Only this folder, I changed the permissions prev, now I am not sure wtf happened
[03:32] <Neo31> Evy this command would be faster, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade libx11-data multiarch-support
[03:33] <Neo31> evy try the last command, reboot and test again (that's what the error message says) if the problem is not solved we can proceed with something else
[03:33] <Evy> ok rebooting now
[03:33] <Evy> on diffent computer
[03:35] <BlueNeXuS|2> what's the name of that app that lets you click on a non responding window and kill it anyway
[03:35] <savagecroc> every time i restart my network interface unity crashes
[03:36] <savagecroc> and i have to reboot my entire machine
[03:37] <savagecroc> so i run sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[03:37] <savagecroc> and the whole thing crashes
[03:39] <Evy> how do i fix my ati driver when i install it i cant use dual screens but then its uninstalled it works
[03:41] <chaotix> hello...   is there a way to use mv or cp to move/copy a file into a folder/directory that has not been created yet?
[03:41] <BlueNeXuS|2> Evy , you have to use the Administrative  Catalyst Control Center for that
[03:41] <chaotix> i tried it, but got this output:mv: cannot move ‘Super_Mario_63.swf’ to ‘/home/user/.local/share/Games/test/Super_Mario_63.swf’: No such file or directory
[03:42] <fwilson> chaotix: try "mkdir -p /home/user/.local/share/Games/test/"
[03:42] <chaotix> fwilson, thanks
[03:42] <fwilson> chaotix: then move the file and you should be fine :)
[03:42] <chaotix> i am working on a tutorial and you just made my day
[03:42] <fwilson> no problem :)
[03:42] <Neo31> Evy, people in this post mention that reinstalling fglxr solves the problem
[03:43] <draconus2> reisio trying dd with conv=noerror,sync to recover that file
[03:43] <Neo31> evy try : sudo apt-get install fglxr
[03:43] <chaotix> fwilson, the tutor is still the pupil...  thats what i love about our community
[03:43] <fwilson> :)
[03:43] <Neo31> (Evy, i don't really get the problem, just googling to see if there is already some solutions :p )
[03:43] <draconus2> reisio: 3988480 bytes (4.0 MB) copied, 54.0689 s, 73.8 kB/s - that's FUN - it's working it out byte by byte ;)
[03:44] <reisio> draconus2: :)
[03:44] <draconus2> reisio: it worked! 7243776 bytes (7.2 MB) copied, 57.0176 s, 127 kB/s
[03:44] <reisio> yay
[03:44] <draconus2> i OWE YO big time reisio
[03:44] <draconus2> YOU* :)
[03:44] <reisio> :p
[03:45]  * draconus2 shakes reisio's hand vigorously
[03:45]  * draconus2 trains
[03:45] <reisio> hehehe
[03:45] <draconus2> now i can see what has really happened on that box at 3.24am last night...
[03:46] <draconus2> anyway that's a hard drive error in there
[03:46] <draconus2> like it was stuck writing the file all over or what?
[03:46] <BlueNeXuS|2> Envy I had the same problem 2 days ago.. what i mentioned worked for me..  there is the regular and then the administrative.  you will have to enable root/su temporarly because sudo will not work in this case
[03:49] <occ> is there any brand of laptops that ubuntu is known for good compatibility for? or it is just down to each model
[03:49] <occ> i mean like drivers and such
[03:50] <draconus2> The system is going down for reboot NOW!et (pts/2) (Fri Jul  5 05:49:44 2013)
[03:50] <draconus2> fingers crossed...
[03:50] <xangua> occ: there is system76.com
[03:51] <draconus2> reisio IT DID PING :)
[03:51] <draconus2> woah
[03:51]  * draconus2 dances
[03:51] <occ> ok
[03:51] <reisio> weee
[03:51] <Evy> BlueNeXuS|2 : Canrt see the drivers
[03:51] <reisio> well, you were thorough :p
[03:51] <reisio> anyways
[03:51] <Evy> tryed 12.4 and 13.1 drivers
[03:52] <BlueNeXuS|2> i installed the entire catalyst set, not just the drivers
[03:52] <b80905> how to kill the desktop environment that is running now and run another one?
[03:52] <draconus2> reisio i wasted 12 hours on data rescue while i was just a single reboot away from normal state... but i couldn't be sure so i rather wasted the time :)
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> b80905, logout and pick the other at login
[03:53] <draconus2> reisio at least i can wipe that crap now and bring a new system and ext4 on
[03:53] <b80905> wilee-nilee: i can't see it in the login screen
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> b80905, here is a gear with a dropdown
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> there
[03:54] <Evy> it install but there is a error
[03:54] <reisio> draconus2: but you learned that lesson :p
[03:54] <b80905> wilee-nilee: the environment i've installed isn't there
[03:54] <draconus2> reisio i learned it very well... trust me :)
[03:54] <wilee-nilee> b80905, What did you install, and how did you do it?
[03:55] <b80905> wilee-nilee: i compiled fluxbox from source
[03:55] <draconus2> reisio imagine waking up to 1TB of mangled data and lots of i/o errors while you left the box perfectly running... you come here and all you read is "your drive is dead"
[03:56] <partounian> I set perms to 777 but when trying to install, it says that the dirs are not writeable.
[03:56] <draconus2> reisio and from that state i managed to fully recover and stabilize the box, grab all my data back and yet reboot it successfuly after :)
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> b80905, Fluxbox is in the repos, not sure on a source install to be honest.
[03:56] <Evy> BlueNeXuS|2 : that version os is recomded for the  Radeon hd 4250
[03:56] <kro[au]> draconus2, take a look at 2x1TB drives in software raid 1 :)
[03:56] <draconus2> reisio it couldn't be done with help and patience of people here
[03:56] <kro[au]> draconus2, oh nice one on the data recovery ^_^
[03:56] <draconus2> kro[au] yes :)
[03:57] <b80905> wilee-nilee: i will try to change the environment from the login screen
[03:57] <b80905> wilee-nilee: again
[03:57] <draconus2> kro[au] and i can't use raid as one of those drives is 99% full right now...
[03:57] <Evy> draconus2 : try crashplan for backup
[03:58] <draconus2> Evy that's something uknown to me again :)
[03:58] <draconus2> will do the reading
[03:59] <Evy> draconus2 : http://www.crashplan.com/ (i use it to backup game dev files)
[03:59]  * reisio shakes head
[03:59] <draconus2> Evy thank you very much - i'm all about backups and lots of them so i will definetly try that site but still, first i need to learn about incremental backups as reisio suggested
[04:00] <reisio> you won't get anything better than rsync/rdiff-backup :p
[04:00] <reisio> if you need online backup, just combine rsync/rdiff-backup with a mounted online share
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> old scoooool
[04:01] <reisio> tons of free hosts these days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services
[04:01] <reisio> and then there's gmailfs :p
[04:03] <coolot> hello guys! ubuntu 12.04 user. question - Factors to remember placing the old 2.2.x kernel below cylinder 1024?
[04:04] <wilee-nilee> coolot, what?
[04:05] <Evy> BlueNeXuS|2 : log from installer http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845596/ (going afk pm me if want )
[04:09] <draconus2> brb
[04:10] <shadowBlaze18> Hi, sorry, I forgot something. I don't have to release source code for any software that Ubuntu comes preinstalled with right in any version?
[04:12] <reisio> shadowBlaze18: using is not distribution
[04:12] <shadowBlaze18> no, for redistribution
[04:12] <reisio> for free?
[04:12] <coolot> to wilee-nilee : just asking if you know some pointers / guidelines to make sure that the old 2.2.x kernel is below 1024 cylinder. i am having an exam on running linux.
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> well, the computer being sold is preinstalled with Linux and I'm giving them the CD too.
[04:13] <reisio> shadowBlaze18: you're fine
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> okay
[04:13] <reisio> the GPL is to keep software from becoming closed source
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> thank you
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> good bye
[04:13] <reisio> it's not to keep you from redistributing it or even from making money off binaries
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> coolot, Not needed and that kernel is not supported, modern hd's partition at 1024
[04:15] <ShadowBlaze18> if the GPL requires a source code to be made avaliable, would I have to do it?
[04:16] <wilee-nilee> coolot, We can't really support haomework, you might try ##linux and don't mention the school stuff.
[04:16] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: that's its purpose
[04:16] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: but I don't think your situation applies
[04:16] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: why not?
[04:17] <reisio> you aren't modifying the software
[04:17] <coolot> thanks wilee-nilee
[04:17] <wilee-nilee> coolot, If I knew I would say, no problem, want to see you do well.
[04:19] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: so Ubuntu does not already put the needed stuff in the actual OS for redistribution?
[04:20] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: they make the source available in their repos
[04:20] <reisio> which satisfies the GPL just fine, AIUI
[04:20] <reisio> you could also be a dork and only provide the source upon the request, IIRC (don't quote me on thiss)
[04:20] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: the source is there and available
[04:21] <ShadowBlaze18> histo: it's in the actual OS without extra download?
[04:21] <reisio> Ubuntu does what Debian does, and Debian and the FSF are tight
[04:21] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: it's an extra download
[04:21] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: just like all packages are
[04:21] <OchoZero9> How do i change my terminal to one that supports fontconfig and 24-bit color?
[04:22] <Pinkamena_D> how can you kill the process that is running in the terminal window other then closing it?
[04:22] <ShadowBlaze18> histo: see, that's where I think the issue is...
[04:22] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: apt-get source packagename
[04:22] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: no issue for what you are doing
[04:22] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
[04:22] <histo> Pinkamena_D: kill whatver_pid
[04:23] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: and IIRC you aren't even asking for money, so are even further within the limits
[04:23] <Pinkamena_D> I meant, how ot kill something running in the terminal window itself
[04:23] <Pinkamena_D> with some keyboard shortcut
[04:23] <reisio> Pinkamena_D: pgrep -l something
[04:23] <reisio> Pinkamena_D: kill something
[04:23] <reisio> Pinkamena_D: kill -9 something
[04:24] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio, yes, but I am creating a copy of the software and redistributing it, basically, since it's a part of the OS
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> 13.04 update causes unity to screw up
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> It doesn't load the panels
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> basically a black screen
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> I've followed several instructions on Ask Ubuntu
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> but nothing helps
[04:25] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: and somewhere in Ubuntu it is made clear that the source code is available
[04:25] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: so stop worrying :p
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> I think this has something to do with Compiz, but that's where the trail ends
[04:26] <tannji> Foxhoundz,  I did the update with no issues...  but sounds like unity or Lightdm needs restarting
[04:26] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: it is? oh, lol
[04:26] <draconus> back
[04:26] <Foxhoundz> tannji: I tried rebooting, resetting Unity, reinstalling unity, installing ccsm and making sure opengl was enabled
[04:26] <Foxhoundz> I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point
[04:26] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: oh, then I guess it's fine
[04:27] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: okay, thank you
[04:27] <tannji> Foxhoundz,  I had the same issue when trying to install the fglrx drivers
[04:27] <ShadowBlaze18> what just happened?
[04:27] <tannji> looks like the bot wars continue
[04:27] <Foxhoundz> fglrxinfo causes seg faults
[04:27] <ShadowBlaze18> bot wars?
[04:28] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuideDeprecated/Examples/DebianCopyrightGPL
[04:28] <wilee-nilee> yay the servers are working correctly now
[04:28] <tannji> wilee-nilee,  you know specifically what is happening?
[04:28] <ShadowBlaze18> ???
[04:28] <tannji> ah
[04:28] <ShadowBlaze18> oh, thanks
[04:28] <reisio> tannji: probably just netsplit resolution
[04:28] <reisio> although bot wars could explain a netsplit :p
[04:28] <tannji> right  = )
[04:28] <Foxhoundz> This is too much of a hedache
[04:29] <wilee-nilee> tannji The servers were having problems I could not get cloaked earlier.
[04:29] <Foxhoundz> I think I'm going to just get xubuntu
[04:29] <Foxhoundz> or some other distro
[04:29] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: so do I have to include the GPL, though?
[04:29] <tannji> Foxhoundz,  I am thinking about that, but I worry about what happens to those other ubuntu's when this one goes to MIR
[04:29] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: it's already included
[04:30] <ShadowBlaze18> okay
[04:30] <ShadowBlaze18> thanks
[04:30] <Foxhoundz> tannji: Ubuntu used to be a very stable workstation OS
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> Every time I updated I have to run into issues like this
[04:31] <wilee-nilee> Foxhoundz, You gonna rant or just move on.
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> wilee-nilee: It's not a rant
[04:31] <Tex_Nick> when i loggrd in ... NickServ :Services are currently unavailable
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> I just don't understand why Canonical doesn't comprehend the concept of unit testing
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> or even beta testing
[04:32] <Foxhoundz> Tex_Nick: NickServ syncing. Check #freenode.
[04:32] <tannji> Canonical does test, but not perfectly.  However, this is so much easier and better than it used to be I just deal with it.  It seems to get better
[04:33] <Tex_Nick> Foxhoundz: yeah was just replying to an above post
[04:34] <super-evolved> 
[04:35] <holstein> Foxhoundz: ubuntu stability can also depend greatly on hardware support
[04:35] <holstein> for me, i avoid the desktops that are requiring 3d.. though, i am in one testing it right now
[04:36] <jdale> Hello
[04:36] <tannji> I try to make 3d work, so that if I ever game again, I am already there...
[04:36] <holstein> Foxhoundz: unit testing would be more for a product that ubuntu/canninical is selling.. and that is not the case.. its an operating system that needs to be as compatible as possible with many different hardare setups
[04:37] <reisio> hi jdale
[04:38] <jdale> holstein:
[04:38] <jdale> Hello
[04:38] <asandweech> Which can be difficult to do and still fit on a cd
[04:39] <holstein> jdale: hello.. feel free and chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.. do you need some help?
[04:39] <draconus> he he 2 fav nicks never taken by this croud here on fn
[04:40] <Guest94552> Quelqu'un connais un channel francais ou quebecois ?
[04:40] <draconus> ubuntu-fr?
[04:40] <Guest94552> merci
[04:40] <draconus> you are welcome
[04:40] <ghs> Can someone me help ? I'm trying to access github, however  appears the following error: Permission denied (publickey). How  to fix it ?
[04:40] <ni222722> any Hmong folks here?
[04:41] <asandweech> ghs: you need to add your public ssh key to your github account
[04:41] <asandweech> ghs: if you go to your github account settings, you should see an ssh tab
[04:41] <wheatthin> ni222722, do you have a support question?
[04:41] <ghs> asandweech: What ssh key ?
[04:41] <holstein> ghs: you can also try https://github.com/contact
[04:42] <holstein> !sshkey
[04:42] <holstein> !ssh | ghs
[04:44] <harshadura> !man
[04:44] <harshadura> !women
[04:45] <Aliengel> hi is there a tool for regex replace like sed -i but  do multipule line instead of single line matching ?
[04:46] <harshadura> !ggg
[04:46] <crunchnut> Has anyone had problems with the b43 and airmon-g
[04:46] <holstein> crunchnut: *everyone* has had issues with a broadcom chip.. what is going on?
[04:47] <draconus> Aliengel please ask in #bash and i'm sure they will help
[04:47] <kanupatar> Here is my issue faced in linux OS, http://ideone.com/9IiWLq
[04:48] <draconus> kanupatar could you please describe in here a bit?
[04:48] <crunchnut> Everytime i type airmon command its messes up my screen
[04:48] <crunchnut> I have 13.04
[04:48] <draconus> crunchnut what do you mean by that?
[04:48] <kanupatar> draconus: I have explained clearly in the link...lot to tell
[04:50] <chaotix> Hey fwilson i finished that tutorial...  if you or anyone wants to see, here it is:  http://chaotixlinux.blogspot.com
[04:50] <crunchnut> Cant really explain its colors all over
[04:51] <histo> kanupatar: try which java  to see why your pointer isn't working?
[04:51] <crunchnut> Leaving me no choice but to hard reboot
[04:52] <kanupatar> histo: pointer where?
[04:54] <histo> kanupatar: in your path
[04:55] <histo> crunchnut: grab a screen shot?
[04:55] <n96> ciao
[04:55] <n96> !list
[04:55] <kanupatar> histo: what do you mean  by pointer isn't working?
[04:56] <newtoarch> How can I get mpg123 to work on ARM?
[04:57] <newtoarch> anyone?
[04:58] <histo> kanupatar: aren't you complaining that it's showing you the wrong java -version ?
[04:58] <crunchnut> Ok ill try brb
[04:58] <dunpeal> Hi. Playing a video file, I get the following error:
[04:59] <dunpeal> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nouveau.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:59] <kanupatar> histo: means my PATH is not taking the exact java?
[04:59] <kanupatar> PATH == pointer?
[04:59] <histo> kanupatar: sorry if I typed pointer by mistake I corrected it in the next line
[05:00] <kanupatar> histo: ok np
[05:00] <vegombrei> hi, is it possible to install ubuntu on a usb 3 external hdd and boot from there? would it make it faster?
[05:00] <kanupatar> histo: what is the meaning of this error ? .UnsatisfiedLinkError
[05:01] <holstein> vegombrei: possible.. faster depends.. faster than usb2.0, likely
[05:01] <asandweech> vegombrei: Yes, you could, but it would only be faster if your current setup is slower than the external drive
[05:03] <vegombrei> asandweech: i have a good setup i just wanted to try this for the sake of it ... is it possible?
[05:05] <holstein> vegombrei: ?
[05:05] <vegombrei> holstein: yes my friend wassup?
[05:05] <holstein> vegombrei: yes.. the answer for "is a usb boot possible" is yes
[05:05] <asandweech> vegombrei: yes, very much so
[05:05] <asandweech> vegombrei: just install onto that drives partition during the install process
[05:06] <asandweech> and, you could probably even boot on different systems portably. To a certain extent
[05:07] <Omen_20> So.. Brasero for whatever reason won't let me do an ISO copy of a disc and is talking about the size of the disc. I have no idea why because I have a ton of storage left on my drives. I've made ISOs with Brasero many times before and never had an issue.
[05:07] <holstein> the only issue would possibly be, if you want grub on the USB and the machine doesnt boot USB.. and you can use plop for that http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html
[05:08] <holstein> Omen_20: share some of what is "talking", and the exact talk
[05:10] <vegombrei> holstein: yes my friend wassup?brb
[05:11] <holstein> vegombrei: do you see the answer to your question? the answer is yes..
[05:11] <holstein> vegombrei: i used a "?" because i was confused as to why you asked the question again
[05:11] <Omen_20> holstein: the data size is too large for the disc even with the overburn option
[05:11] <vegombrei> yes thank you brb im reading one of them forums
[05:12] <holstein> Omen_20: the iso is too large for the media?
[05:13] <PashaPasta> people still burn discs instead of using usb? 0.o
[05:14] <holstein> Omen_20: maybe you have a slightly oversized iso, and you are misinterpreting the error message
[05:14] <Omen_20> I put in another DVD and it doesn't have the issue. It is smaller than the size left on the partition and it works. The issue is when I put the larger DVD in it won't let me chose a location for the ISO. The properties button is disabled. What since does that make?
[05:14] <crunchnut> Wont let me screenshot the screen shot wont load going to try take a pic with my phone
[05:14] <holstein> Omen_20: could be that type of media with your particular burner
[05:15] <Omen_20> I'm not burning a disc, I just want to make a copy but Brasero tells me my partition doesn't have enough space, and fails to let me tell it where I do have space for it.
[05:15] <holstein> Omen_20: if you are not burning a disc, i would close the disc burning utility, and make a copy of a file in a file manager
[05:16] <Omen_20> I don't want a particular file, I want an ISO copy of the disc.
[05:17] <holstein> Omen_20: what disc?
[05:17] <holstein> Omen_20: an iso? or an actual plastic disc?
[05:17] <Omen_20> a DVD
[05:19] <asandweech> Omen_20: have you just tried using dd?
[05:19] <reisio> there are a lot of types of DVD
[05:19] <reisio> compressed, double-sided
[05:19] <reisio> dvd-r dvd+r
[05:19] <reisio> lots of formats
[05:19] <reisio> iso-9660, udf
[05:19] <reisio> apparently you've found one that brasero wasn't expecting
[05:19] <reisio> there are even DVDs that are imaged with errors included on purpose
[05:20] <reisio> to try and keep people from copying them
[05:20] <Omen_20> What's aggravating is that I've done this for years and have always had a small ~ partition. So I've always had to tell it to put the ISO on another partition. This is a new bug apparently.
[05:20] <Omen_20> No I have not. I'll look it up.
[05:20] <reisio> maybe, or a new disc
[05:20] <asandweech> Omen_20: http://askubuntu.com/questions/147800/ripping-dvd-to-iso-accurately
[05:20] <holstein> if one DVD works, and another doesnt.. i say, its the disc
[05:20] <asandweech> look at that, I go along with the top answer, but the others give some other good options
[05:21] <reisio> Omen_20: what's on it, a dvd-video?
[05:21] <asandweech> Omen_20: dd is a common disk and file management program, acronym for disk dump. I use it to write isos to disks most often
[05:22] <Omen_20> reisio: yep
[05:22] <james41382> What is a good way to perform full system backups with Ubuntu precise?
[05:22] <reisio> Omen_20: can mplayer play it from dvd:// ?
[05:23] <reisio> james41382: incremental or not?
[05:23] <vegombrei> holstein: you think ill have problems with the boot loader ? i have windows on my system and wanna dedicate ubuntu to the usb 3 drive, where will it install the bootloader if i make my first boot device the usb drive?
[05:23] <james41382> reisio: What do you mean?
[05:23] <reisio> james41382: do you want a backup that has, for example, copies of files as they were last month, and also as they were the month before
[05:23] <reisio> james41382: or just copies of files as they were before the inevitable destruction of the original?
[05:23] <vegombrei> holstein: also what happens if the drive isnt plugged in .. will it boot windows?
[05:23] <SuSam> hi
[05:24] <holstein> vegombrei: you can specify.. you can use an alternate installer, though sometimes, i just go to a machine that has no hard drive, and do an install to the stick
[05:24] <holstein> vegombrei: if you make no changes to your current setup, nothing will change
[05:24] <james41382> reisio: Okay I see.. I guess if I could archive the backups (incrementally) that would be awesome, but if not I'll get over it.
[05:24] <reisio> james41382: rdiff-backup and a cron job then :)
[05:24] <reisio> james41382: with rdiff-backup-fs for accessing backup data should you actually need to restore from it
[05:25] <james41382> reisio: I am fairly new to Linux so treat me like I know nothing. =]
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: okay :)
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: what about terminals and commands?
[05:25] <james41382> reisio: cron jobs are automated tasks?
[05:25] <vegombrei> holstein: i think i should research this more ... brb
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: yes
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: with cron you can, for example, tell the system to be backed up every night at 3am
[05:25] <james41382> reisio: I am fairly good with a shell and a little google magic.
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: okay, your system should already have a cron system
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: lots of info on that here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron and also man cron, man 5 crontab
[05:26] <holstein> vegombrei: have your data backedup, since *all* hard drives fail.. know how to recover all your data and boot loaders, and OS's, and there can be no issues
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: what else you need is sudo apt-get install rdiff-backup rdiff-backup-fs
[05:26] <asandweech> james41382: you could also use the default ubuntu backup manager, deja dup
[05:26] <asandweech> I use it sometimes, works rather well
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: the syntax is simple, as man rdiff-backup explains: rdiff-backup /source/ /destination/, basically
[05:26] <holstein> dejadup is quite nice
[05:27] <james41382> Is dejadup graphical?
[05:27] <asandweech> james: yes
[05:27] <asandweech> james41382: works rather well, easy to follow, decently intuitive
[05:28] <asandweech> james41382: pretty much why ubuntu made it default
[05:28] <james41382> Okay let me clarify I want to backup the entire hard drive.
[05:28] <james41382> When I enter dejadup into the dash it takes me to backup and it appears as though it is for backing up directories.
[05:28] <holstein> dejadup is easy... clonezilla is easy-ish too, and makes a clone of a drive.. otherwise, you have quite a few options to try out
[05:28] <varunendra> Omen_20, did you get around to your problem?
[05:28] <asandweech> james41382: Yes, you select the root directory of the drive
[05:28] <holstein> james41382: backup the / directory
[05:29] <reisio> backing up the OS files is kind of a waste of time, though, really
[05:29] <reisio> they're already mirrored all over the place
[05:29] <james41382> holstein: So that will backup the entire drive as is with partitions set the way they are?
[05:29] <Omen_20> reisio: apparently mplayer cannot load it. So I'm guessing these are just different DVDs.
[05:29] <reisio> Omen_20: quite possibly
[05:29] <reisio> Omen_20: what error do you get?
[05:29] <holstein> james41382: im not sure what you are asking.. its not a clone. its a copy of the / partition.. which is the drive
[05:30] <holstein> james41382: depends on what you want to do and have
[05:30] <asandweech> james41382: just add the other folders in the other partitions
[05:30] <holstein> dejadup is quite simple
[05:30] <crunchnut> https://copy.com/2ApnD
[05:30] <james41382> Okay I'll give it a go! =]
[05:30] <asandweech> I backup a 8 partition system on two drives using deja dup, 5 are ext4, 3 are ntfs
[05:31] <crunchnut> It does that everytime i try airmon-ng
[05:31] <kit-kat6> hi all, i have been trying to use bluetooth in past two days,i have added all required packages for bluez stack,when i try to transfer files using obexftp or ussp push there is no channel list obtain in sdptool browse,it shows just http://pastebin.com/tU5tMVUb,i am new to bluetooth can you please help me to get channel list
[05:32] <Omen_20> reisio: It tells me "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable." then goes through the details of titles, angles, subtitles, etc. Then says it's exiting.
[05:33] <reisio> Omen_20: interesting
[05:33] <reisio> Omen_20: well, dd (or ddrescue) should still probably be able to make a copy of it
[05:33] <ObrienDave> Omen_20==> have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[05:33] <ripthejacker> Hi everyone
[05:33] <reisio> if a backup alone will do for now
[05:33] <Omen_20> I have libdvdread4 installed.
[05:33] <reisio> ripthejacker: sup
[05:34] <ripthejacker> reisio: Hi
[05:34] <Omen_20> ObrienDave: I don't remember if I did on this install or not. I'll check.
[05:34] <ripthejacker> I'm using Ubuntu 13.04 Raring 64 bit
[05:34] <ripthejacker> and it's very slow sometimes
[05:35] <Omen_20> ObrienDave: I did not. Installing now from the official repositories.
[05:35] <asandweech> ripthejacker: but it is quick others?
[05:35] <varunendra> Omen_20, did you try opening brasero first > tell it to copy a disc > choose location > insert the disc last ?
[05:35] <ObrienDave> Omen_20==> try looking into Medibuntu also
[05:35] <ripthejacker> My desktop config is, 4gb ddr3, intel i5, ati radeon 6450
[05:36] <Myrtti> Omen_20: having it installed isn't enough, did you run the script too?
[05:36] <asandweech> ripthejacker: what type of storage?
[05:36] <ripthejacker> asandweech: My office pc has a worse configuration and it runs faster
[05:36] <ripthejacker> but it's 13.04 32 bit
[05:36] <asandweech> ripthejacker: what programs do you have running in the background?
[05:36] <ripthejacker> Mostly firefox, nautilus , amarok, vlc
[05:37] <jnhghy> pls help with an import from one module in another one, file structure+details here: http://pastebin.com/YFQdXbTN
[05:37] <asandweech> ripthejacker: how does those compare to what you do at work?
[05:37] <ripthejacker> asandweech: It lags the most when i open the dash using the 'meta' key
[05:37] <jnhghy> sorry wrong channel :D
[05:38] <ripthejacker> the pc in my office has, 2gb ddr3, core2 duo, and intel graphics
[05:38] <asandweech> ripthejacker: no, I mean what you have running in the background
[05:38] <ripthejacker> asandweech: same
[05:39] <asandweech> ripthejacker: also, what is running slow, graphics, program startup time, file load time
[05:39] <aeon-ltd> ripthejacker: do you have drivers for the gpu?
[05:39] <ripthejacker> asandweech: maybe even more like nginx server etc,
[05:39] <ripthejacker> aeon-ltd: driver has always been an issue for my card
[05:39] <crunchnut> https://copy.com/MFKV6 this me typing in the command then the screen messes up
[05:39] <ripthejacker> the proprietary and the free ones don't work
[05:40] <ripthejacker> I always have to download from the AMD site
[05:40] <aeon-ltd> ripthejacker: this article saus it does http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_hd6450&num=3
[05:40] <aeon-ltd> *says
[05:40] <aeon-ltd> and only 2 years old
[05:40] <ripthejacker> aeon-ltd: The same card was working super fast with Ubuntu 12.10
[05:41] <asandweech> ripthejacker: have you tried running in safe graphics mode?
[05:43] <ripthejacker> asandweech: No, whenever I install any driver other than the one from the AMD site, The gui broken ( like static in tv)
[05:43] <Omen_20> This time it had an error while trying to crack a key.
[05:44] <ripthejacker> asandweech, aeon-ltd : even with nomodeset , the gui is broken
[05:44] <asandweech> ripthejacker: hmm, is the graphics performance what is being slowed?
[05:45] <ahmedm> hi all i am trying to changing kernel configuration can anybody tell me a good procedure to backup kernel before changing kernel configuration
[05:45] <ripthejacker> asandweech: Probably , but I'm not sure.
[05:45] <ripthejacker> asandweech: Would it make any change if I used 32 bit version?
[05:45] <Omen_20> "libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.12 for DVD access" I figure that's the latest version. Got it from medibuntu.
[05:46] <asandweech> ripthejacker: I doubt it. Not much sense to do so. Try timing your programs in a new tty, without a de
[05:47] <ripthejacker> asandweech: I have noticed that compiz takes too much virtual memory
[05:47] <AlexFromCanada> Hey I was wondering if anyone could help with my problem?
[05:48] <AlexFromCanada> After installing Ubuntu and forgetting to change the GRUB location my Windows 7 will not boot.
[05:48] <ripthejacker> asandweech: So what is the recommended way to install graphics driver
[05:48] <AlexFromCanada> I am triple booting Mac, Windows 7, and Ubuntu.
[05:49] <asandweech> ripthejacker: here, let me find you amd's tutorial for their driver
[05:49] <openbees>  /msg NickServ identify baglamukhi
[05:49] <asandweech> (what i normally use)
[05:49] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, what verison ubuntu are you on?
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, and I'm curious, what's your graphics card?
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> !amd
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> !ati
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> ^ asandweech
[05:50] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: at office 13.04 intel onboard graphics
[05:50] <asandweech> Ari-yang: right, forgot about ubottu. Thanks for the bump. ripthejacker, that serves as a good source as well
[05:50] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: 13.04 32 bit
[05:51] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, you can go to Software sources and check the 'Additional Drivers' tab.
[05:51] <Ari-Yang> to see if there are any proprietary drivers or not.
[05:52] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: I tried that, there were 3 options , I tried all 3 of them , and they all failed
[05:52] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, what was the name of the proprietary driver?
[05:52] <Tex_Nick> AlexFromCanada: have you tried "sudo update-grub" ?
[05:53] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: I don't remember now,but something like fgrlx
[05:53] <AlexFromCanada> i did
[05:53] <CrunchyNutty> can anyone help with the airmon-ng problem
[05:54] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, the amd proprietary driver, fglrx, is horrible... it has horrible 2d acceleration.
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> I also got I also tried boot-repair
[05:54] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: have you tried boot-repair?
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> it deleted it
[05:54] <Ari-Yang> you'd only use it if you were a gamer I'd guess, but if you aren't, you're better off with th eopen source one, ripthejacker
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> but now there is no boot loader for windows 7
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> so it says missing operating system
[05:54] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: nevermind then, haha. Does the bootloader still exist?
[05:54] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: my gaming is limited to CS 1.6 :P
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> Windows 7 or Ubuntu?
[05:55] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Windows 7
[05:55] <AlexFromCanada> I don't think so.
[05:55] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Is there a microsoft folder in your /boot dir?
[05:55] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, ah. Well just be careful when installing fglrx, I've seen many people have broken desktops after installing it...
[05:56] <AlexFromCanada> let me check
[05:56] <AlexFromCanada> brb
[05:56] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English
[05:56] <james41382> reisio: It looks like rdiff is written in python.
[05:56] <ripthejacker> This is the one I have installed now
[05:56] <Ari-Yang> how is it working?
[05:56] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: crappy
[05:57] <reisio> james41382: mmm
[05:57] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: even with 12.10 , i used the drivers from here and it was working blazing fast
[05:57] <ripthejacker> Now I feel it's slower than Windows 7 in my netbook
[05:57] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, ah, tbh I wouldn't trust those drivers, but that's just me
[05:58] <ripthejacker> ok
[05:58] <Ari-Yang> (the driver from the site)
[05:58] <james41382> reisio: I just took an class using python. It's neat to see it being used in a practical application.
[05:58] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: so you suggest I use the open source driver
[05:58] <reisio> james41382: :)
[05:59] <james41382> reisio: I like the idea of incremental backups. I will read more about this later on. Thanks.
[05:59] <james41382> Thanks all. Goodnight.
[05:59] <reisio> adios
[06:00] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, as I said before, if you aren't a gamer, then yes..... Though the open source one really runs your gpu hot (especially on laptops). I worked around this by installing a kernel that has the new dynamic power management patches, and everything works better
[06:01] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, you may want to take a look at this http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?81666-AMD-Has-Massive-Radeon-Patch-Set-Power-Management!&p=338568#post338568 in case you want to use a mainline kernel, like me. (this is if you choose to use the open source radeon driver)
[06:01] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: ok , thanks
[06:01] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: so the driver in the link I posted is fglrx?
[06:02] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, yeah, I think so.
[06:02] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: kk, Thank you
[06:02] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Installing_upstream_drivers_directly_from_AMD.27s_website that is probably what you did
[06:03] <ripthejacker> Thanks everyone , I'll try it when I go home
[06:04] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, I too having some issues ^_^
[06:04] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/ the appropriate firmware to use the new power management. and the kernel you should use http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-next/
[06:04] <ripthejacker> kro[au]: amd card?
[06:04] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, APUs don't need the *_smc.bin btw
[06:04] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, APU specifically. Couldnt get unity launch or top bar to return. I'm not a novice with linux in general either.
[06:05] <AlexFromCanada> hey
[06:05] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, even trying to undo the damage was a no goer for me. I could have investigated more I guess, but i ended up reinstalling 13.04 and sticking with stock drivers(slow) until a rainy day.
[06:05] <AlexFromCanada> I'm back
[06:06] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: find anything?
[06:06] <AlexFromCanada> What was I checking again?
[06:06] <AlexFromCanada> I had to reboot to Ubuntu and I forgot
[06:06] <kro[au]> I also tinkered with the 13.6 Beta driver stoo
[06:06] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: existance of windows 7 bootloader
[06:07] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: How is the kernels in that page different from the kernel in repos?
[06:07] <AlexFromCanada> and where would that be
[06:07] <ripthejacker> kro[au]: so the stock drivers are working for you?
[06:07] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, those are called 'mainline' kernels..... some people would use them for e.g. better hardware support
[06:07] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: your /boot dir
[06:07] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, the one I linked you has the patches for the new power management for amd cards
[06:07] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, the opensource default yes- not the proprietary fglrx driver
[06:07] <AlexFromCanada> Sorry if I sound stupid, but I'm still learning, I'm only 13 lol
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> k
[06:08] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: ok, but what about kernel updates? I have to do them manually?
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> in that folder is a whole bunch of languages
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> memtest
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> bootstat
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> bcd
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> bcd.log
[06:08] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, yes, you'd want to check that page out now and again to see check if there are updates or not
[06:08] <FloodBot1> AlexFromCanada: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:08] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: Only power management? I may not need it cuz I use desktop at home
[06:08] <OchoZero9> How do i set emulator to login like recommended at the end of this page? http://askubuntu.com/questions/283908/how-can-i-install-and-use-powerline-plugin?rq=1
[06:08] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: alright, so the bootloader still exists, you just don't have a proper option in grub
[06:09] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, you can check the change log if you want, but that's the main thing. also my opengl updated from 2.1 to 3.0
[06:09] <Ari-Yang> oh, and there's UVD too
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> I am using rEFIt to select my OSes
[06:09] <Jin-Sune> k
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> my problem is that after installing Ubuntu
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> and leaving the GRUB setting default
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> windows will not boot
[06:09] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: so how do you update them?
[06:10] <ajay_> ajay
[06:10] <ripthejacker> ripthejacker: clone the repo periodically?
[06:10] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, the kernel? you just download the appropriate .deb files... and just install them.
[06:10] <ripthejacker> oops
[06:10] <ashwith> hi
[06:10] <kro[au]> lol
[06:10] <ajay_> hello
[06:10] <AlexFromCanada> What should I do now?
[06:10] <ashwith> how is work
[06:11] <Ari-Yang> !mainline
[06:11] <Ari-Yang> ^ ripthejacker
[06:11] <Ari-Yang> you should read that
[06:11] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: is this a uefi system?
[06:12] <AlexFromCanada> What's that?
[06:12] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: Ok will try it. Thanks for helping
[06:12] <AlexFromCanada> It's a triple-boot of Mac, Windows 7, and Ubuntu
[06:12] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, okay, good luck.
[06:12] <AlexFromCanada> It's on a MacBook Pro
[06:12] <ripthejacker> :D
[06:13] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Oh, alright. Sorry, forgout about the osx presence.  This thread might be of assistance: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1036547
[06:14] <AlexFromCanada> I don't want Windows in GRUB though, I just want it to boot
[06:14] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: So you don't want to boot windows from grub?
[06:14] <SDIS> fsdfdfd
[06:15] <AlexFromCanada> No, I can use rEFIt to choose my OSes, so I don't need it in the GRUB menu.
[06:15] <AlexFromCanada> It's just after Ubuntu and GRUB were installed, windows will not boot.
[06:15] <histo> AlexFromCanada: did grub get installed to the windows drive?  You should have installed ubuntu in uefi mode if you were using refit
[06:16] <draconus> varunendra hello dude :) do you remember me?
[06:16] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Oh, I did not know about that situation. So is there a windows entry in grub?
[06:16] <wolter> My computer takes ages to shut down, and I thought this shutdown message might help solve the problem: http://i.imgur.com/hxGciVi.png How should I proceed to fix this?
[06:16] <AlexFromCanada> Yes
[06:16] <varunendra> draconus, sure ! :D
[06:16] <varunendra> draconus, so how did it went ?
[06:16] <AlexFromCanada> and it takes me to a screen where it says windows failed to boot, blah blah blah
[06:16] <draconus> varunendra i got some news... the drive is 99.99% OK :) so are my data... 18 hours of work but it's all done :)
[06:17] <varunendra> draconus, congrats ! What was the problem?
[06:17] <AlexFromCanada> And after booting ubuntu and not booting Mac, choosing Windows takes me to the GRUB bootloader
[06:17] <draconus> varunendra those "gone" partitions were bogush... i decided to reboot into rescue (netboot) and then i could just mount them with NO problem, fsck also, testdisk never spitted out an error, etc.
[06:18] <AlexFromCanada> but if I boot Mac first, then it says missing operating system
[06:18] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: http://refit.sourceforge.net/help/windows_boots_linux.html
[06:18] <draconus> varunendra so i copied over 800GB of data to another drive and guess what? just ONE single file reported i/o error... and even that one went tru with dd :)
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> hi all
[06:19] <draconus> varunendra i still can't find out WHAT caused all that mess
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> I did the recovery process for grub but all I got in the end is Memtest in the menu
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> and no kernel for ubuntu
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> any help would be apreciated
[06:19] <AlexFromCanada> it says to ask for help if that is the case and it seems like it is.
[06:20] <AlexFromCanada> How would I remove it
[06:20] <varunendra> draconus, at least a good ending at last ! Who cares what caused it... Just remember to backup from now on.. :D
[06:20] <draconus> varunendra it's crazy, isn't it? i could paste you some logs that look JUST like it was a failing drive... so many errors in dmesg, broken fs, can't read blocks, etc.
[06:20] <AlexFromCanada> And I thought that that was the problem because I forgot to change the default GRUB installation location
[06:20] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: apparently you just need to move grub to your linux partition and get it out of the mbr
[06:21] <draconus> varunendra scary, scary shit... i'm wiping that drive clean and putting new distro on plus ext4 tonight
[06:21] <AlexFromCanada> How do I do that?
[06:21] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: This guy seems to have the problem solved: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=119702
[06:22] <apm1> i have dual graphics amd raedon 6400m+ intel 2nd gen integrated ,what proprietary driver do i install ?
[06:22] <draconus> varunendra i would like to express my words of thankfulness (whatever i should write that) for encouraging me and trying to help, i would probably never did that without your care
[06:22] <varunendra> draconus, since all those errors, logs etc. are generated by the os, if, for whatever reason, once it gets off-track, it'll *see* everything wrong... that's where reboot does the magic ;)
[06:22] <draconus> varunendra yes
[06:23] <varunendra> draconus, that seems over-generous to me.... we were only doing what we are here for :)
[06:23] <apm1> here is the amd card's lspci  : VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M Series]
[06:23] <AlexFromCanada> SHould I execute these commands from Ubuntu or Mac?
[06:23] <draconus> varunendra somehow it came to my mind that the system went totally wrong and is operating on some crazy illusion... which appeared true but then... guess how much power it took to press that hard reboot button...
[06:23] <AlexFromCanada> or will it not matter?
[06:23] <draconus> was* operating
[06:23] <asandweech> ubuntu, since that is where you want grub to be moved
[06:24] <AlexFromCanada> k
[06:24] <asandweech> though if done properly shouldn't matter
[06:24] <AlexFromCanada> thx
[06:24] <apm1> nvm just found the answer
[06:24] <asandweech> I'm heading off, night everyone
[06:25] <AlexFromCanada> It said to change sdx accordingly?
[06:25] <draconus> varunendra i spent like 2 hours estimating and wondering if i should go for that... and it didn't really reboot... box was stalled for THREE hours... not sure if technicans did something or was it fscking or wtf...
[06:26] <varunendra> draconus, I have lost three years of hard work once.... seemed like end of world for a couple of days.... but then it made me realize that the only thing that is truly ours is what we have in our mind, ourselves.... be ready to lose everything else some day..
[06:26] <AlexFromCanada> It said to change sdx accordingly?
[06:27] <varunendra> draconus, since then I don't give too much thought if something goes wrong, although I do stay prepared..
[06:28] <varunendra> draconus, given the fact that it is a remote server, you should make special arrangements for offline backups.. don't you think so?
[06:30] <draconus> varunendra i do understand you because... that box had like 3 years of my work also... and i even tried to say goodbye already, came to the state of clear mind and just said exactly same thing as you did
[06:31] <draconus> varunendra i have realised that backups on the box are NOT enough and it's a MUST to send them somewhere via rsync
[06:31] <varunendra> draconus, that's even better :)
[06:32] <draconus> varunendra and yes, i think that since now i won't care this much about stuff, something broke inside me as i realised how easy it is to lose everything
[06:32] <draconus> as long as that stuff is mine and not customers'
[06:33] <varunendra> draconus, broke or lightened up..?? lol..
[06:33] <draconus> varunendra both at once :)
[06:33] <draconus> so damn mixed up...
[06:33] <varunendra> XD
[06:34] <nugroho> WHA420355
[06:34] <nugroho> SOC155694
[06:35] <AlexFromCanada> I'm back, and that didn't work.
[06:36] <reisio> what didn't?
[06:36] <joyson> hi
[06:36] <reisio> hi
[06:37] <AlexFromCanada> Removing Grub from my MBR
[06:37] <joyson> Watch the videos.. https://www.youtube.com/8bitzs
[06:37] <reisio> what's the problem?
[06:37] <AlexFromCanada> I installed GRUB in Ubuntu to the MBR by accident
[06:37] <AlexFromCanada> I'm triple-booting Mac, Ubuntu, and WIndows 7
[06:38] <reisio> so what do you want in there mbr?
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> I don't know
[06:38] <ajay_> work
[06:38] <kit-kat6> hi i try to send a file to my phone from pc using bluetooth, at the time in my phone it will prompt a window for pin pairing i just pressed 1234, but it shows http://pastebin.com/1k0biYHj in my host, can you please help me
[06:38] <reisio> grub I'd a good idea
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> Whatever will let me boot windows and mac
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> and then i can put grub in the partition
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> instead of the mbr
[06:39] <reisio> grub will
[06:40] <AlexFromCanada> I am using rEFIt to triple-boot btw
[06:40] <reisio> kit-kat6: can't use the gui?
[06:40] <reisio> reinstall refit to the mbr then
[06:41] <AlexFromCanada> rEFIt isn't in the mbr
[06:41] <AlexFromCanada> it's in the efi folder on the mac partition
[06:41] <kit-kat6> reisio i just tried through cmdline, Can' t open tty: Connection refused ????
[06:42] <reisio> kit-kat6: you can't use the gui?
[06:42] <AlexFromCanada> What should I do?
[06:42] <Jin-Sune> im running 13.04 64bit with a broadcom bcm43227 i need to know how to get my card to do packet injection
[06:42] <reisio> AlexFromCanada: hence reinstall
[06:42] <AlexFromCanada> but refit isn't in the mbr
[06:42] <reisio> (refit)
[06:42] <AlexFromCanada> so it wouldn't replace it
[06:43] <kit-kat6> reisio yes i can
[06:43] <reisio> right you'll have to reinstall it to the mbr
[06:43] <AlexFromCanada> but it doesn't go in the mbr
[06:43] <reisio> then what's the problem?
[06:44] <JinSune> im running 13.04 64bit with a broadcom bcm43227 i need to know how to get my card to do packet injection
[06:44] <AlexFromCanada> I accidentally put GRUB in the mgr which is making it so I can't boot windows
[06:44] <AlexFromCanada> *mbr
[06:44] <reisio> ok
[06:44] <reisio> which version of Windows?
[06:44] <mugupta> How can it happen that a command that was working a while ago in a terminal window does not work in a new terminal window
[06:44] <AlexFromCanada> Windows 7
[06:44] <mugupta> I was using adb devices in a directory
[06:45] <reisio> mugupta: number of reasons
[06:45] <ObrienDave> AlexFromCanada==> how many Win partitions do you have? I have 3
[06:45] <reisio> AlexFromCanada: ms-sys -7
[06:45] <mugupta> now when I open another terminal window and traverse to the same directory I am not able to use it again.
[06:45] <AlexFromCanada> I have one windows partition, one mac partition, and one ubuntu partition
[06:45] <AlexFromCanada> and where do i type that resio?
[06:46] <mugupta> reisio: Could you suggest something that I am missing here? Sorry, if its too trivial. I am new on ubuntu
[06:46] <reisio> AlexFromCanada: from Ubuntu, install ms-sys
[06:46] <john38> Anybody know where i could find 12.04 first release not the 12.04.2
[06:46] <mugupta> It now says command not found
[06:46] <AlexFromCanada> k
[06:46] <reisio> mugupta: what command?
[06:47] <mugupta> adb command not found
[06:47] <reisio> mugupta: go back to working terminal, paste output of 'history'
[06:48] <john38> Anybody know where i could find 12.04 first release not the 12.04.2??
[06:48] <mugupta>   318  sudo adb kill-server
[06:48] <mugupta>   319  sudo adb start-server
[06:48] <mugupta>   320  sudo adb devices
[06:48] <mugupta>   321  adb devices
[06:48] <FloodBot1> mugupta: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:49] <AlexFromCanada> What was I supposed too put into the terminal on ubuntu?
[06:49] <mugupta> reisio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845853/
[06:49] <AlexFromCanada> I just rebooted from mac back into ubuntu
[06:49] <reisio> man ms-sys
[06:50] <AlexFromCanada> no manual entry for ms-sys
[06:50] <ObrienDave> john38 ==> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/
[06:51] <AlexFromCanada> what do I do now?
[06:52] <mugupta> reisio: Thanks. I resolved it now. I didn't realize that yesterday's terminal window (where it was working) I had typed in a command to set up the environments
[06:52] <reisio> ms-sys -h/help them
[06:53] <reisio> mugupta: gj
[06:53] <AlexFromCanada> ms-sys command not found
[06:54] <reisio> install it
[06:55] <AlexFromCanada> unable to locate package ms-sys
[06:55] <nbags> AlexFromCanada: i remember building ms-sys from source last time i used it
[06:56] <AlexFromCanada> I found it now
[06:56] <AlexFromCanada> Are you sure this will work, it mentions using floppies.
[06:56] <ObrienDave> where did you find ms-sys?
[06:56] <reisio> what mentions?
[06:56] <AlexFromCanada> ms-sys.sourceforge.net
[06:56] <ObrienDave> thanks
[06:57] <north> hello all.. How can I scan the ip addresses present in the subnet... P.S: I need to ssh to a headless device
[06:57] <reisio> magic of the word 'or'
[06:57] <AlexFromCanada> and the place where it says it takes the specs from was closed years ago
[06:58] <AlexFromCanada> and I know you don't need a floppy, but I was wondering if it would work with Windows 7 if it even mentions a floppy
[06:58] <AlexFromCanada> it says it won't be of much use
[06:58] <AlexFromCanada> writing a WIndows 7 boot record
[06:59] <nbags> north: nmap
[06:59] <AlexFromCanada> and thats its still experimental
[06:59] <north> nbags: how ?
[06:59] <nbags> AlexFromCanada: what are you trying to do? i'm written win7 boot records fine ...
[07:00] <reisio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreUbuntu/XP/Vista/7Bootloader then
[07:00] <nbags> north: its the name of a program that can do network scanning. you will have to read the docs if you want to know how to use it
[07:00] <north> Yes... but I need the Mac address also along with the ip address so that SSH on a dhcp environment is easy
[07:01] <north> nbags:
[07:01] <nbags> north: man nmap
[07:01] <north> yea... but no possible option...
[07:01] <north> nbags:
[07:01] <nbags> north: yes, nmap can tell u the mac address of a given ip
[07:02] <joyson_> hi
[07:02] <north> ok... lemme check.... and may I know what prefix it is nbags please ?
[07:02] <reisio> hi joyson_
[07:03] <nbags> north: can't remember. but i think just 'nmap <subnet>' gives you such information. i hope you are doing this on your own network. nmap can do intrusive things are are illegal in many places
[07:03] <histo> north: you could do somehting like nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24
[07:04] <histo> north: that will ping scan the subnet 192.168.0.0 for hosts that are up
[07:05] <histo> north: or nmap -p 22 --open -sV 192.168.0.0/24  to look specifically for port 22
[07:05] <kcdiaz> there is a file I couldn't delete in my trash, it kept saying access denied, how can I delete this file?
[07:05] <histo> kcdiaz: who owns it?
[07:06] <kcdiaz> root
[07:06] <histo> kcdiaz: well that's why chown the file or sudo rm /path/to/file  to delete it
[07:06] <histo> kcdiaz: I can't remember if unity uses .Trash or not?
[07:07] <kcdiaz> whats the path to Trash?
[07:08] <north> yes, but that gives me only ips of the 0.0 subnet
[07:08] <north> nbags:
[07:09] <histo> kcdiaz: try /home/username/.Trash
[07:10] <kcdiaz> rm: cannot remove ‘pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n.2.2’: Is a directory
[07:11] <kcdiaz> I keep getting that error message
[07:11] <histo> north: what is your IP configuration change the command accordingly
[07:12] <north> histo: I am able to figure that out... but how do I get the associated mac address ?
[07:12] <north> any other way ?
[07:12] <north> histo: nmap doesn't support the mac address stuff
[07:12] <north> :p
[07:13] <histo> north: why do you need the mac address?
[07:13] <north> cuz, my raspberry pi is headless...
[07:13] <north> I'm in a univ and if I get the mac addr, then I can pin point my Rpi and ssh into it
[07:13] <north> histo:
[07:14] <histo> north: you just need the ip to ssh in but try adding the -n switch to nmap
[07:14] <histo> north: nmap -sP -n subnet
[07:14] <north> histo: I know I just need the ip, but you are not getting my point... my Rpi is headless...
[07:15] <histo> north: I understand that
[07:15] <histo> north: I still don't see why you need the mac of your rpi
[07:16] <north> I know the mac of my pi... its like I know the mac and if the nmap shows me the mac then it will be two way authentication that am sshing into my rpi
[07:16] <nbags> north: you are authenticating using mac??
[07:17] <orl> orl
[07:17] <aeon-ltd> ORLY
[07:17] <north> the -n switch didn't help histo
[07:17] <Mrdarknezz> Anyone know any good external monitoring tools for ubuntu server?
[07:17] <histo> north: ssh has built in known hosts feature
[07:17] <nbags> north: mac addresses can easily be spoofed ... u know that right?
[07:18] <noob7> just updated the new kernel and after reboot the screen stays black after grub/purple screen -> used 3.5.0-34-generic and it works again (having ATI Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series])
[07:18] <north> Yes... but this experiment of mine doesn't involve mac spoofin
[07:19] <north> ? nbags histo
[07:20] <histo> north: So perhaps you can elaborate on your experience so we can show you the best way to do what you want.
[07:20] <histo> s/experience/experiment/
[07:21] <nbags> experimenting with an authentication mechanism that you know can easily be broken seems like a waste of time
[07:21] <nbags> isnt that what ssh host keys are for?
[07:22] <NonaSuomi> Probably a dumb question, but I've got two directories which beahave as if one is a symlink to the other, but readlink doesn't seem to react to either. What am I doing wrong?
[07:22] <north> yes... histo: I am now in a dhcp envi (my univ), where I know the correct ip of my Rpi (cuz I have conencted a monitor to Rpi). I will be moving into a new dhcp envi (another univ without monitor) where I dunno the ip of the Rpi. Thats the reason I need a command which shows the mac address and which makes my identification of my Rpi easy nbags
[07:22] <nbags> NonaSuomi: maybe they are hard linked? or bind mouted?
[07:23] <NonaSuomi> nbags:  Okay, that's... I don't even know how I would have done that. I created this file on my external HDD back when I used Windows, and now I'm on Ubuntu and trying to clean up the drive a bit.
[07:23] <nbags> north: so did nmap work?
[07:23] <north> no...
[07:23] <NonaSuomi> Any way I can check what's going on?
[07:24] <north> I t works now...
[07:24] <nbags> NonaSuomi: so this is NTFS?
[07:24] <north> cuz I know the ip associated with my Rpi
[07:24] <north> I won't be knowing it later on...
[07:24] <histo> north: run namp -sP -n subnet as root
[07:24] <nbags> north: so scan the subnet, like i said to begin with
[07:25] <north> histo: that works amazingly
[07:25] <north> :)
[07:25] <north> Thanks a ton histo
[07:25] <nbags> north: so long as your network admins are ok with that.
[07:25] <histo> north: that will only work if you run nmap on a local network. You can do this remotely
[07:25] <histo> should say on the subnet if you are connected to it instead of local
[07:26] <histo> north: Why not have the rpi call home?
[07:26] <north> sorry ? didn't get that @ histo
[07:26] <north> ?
[07:26] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Just checked and that looks correct
[07:26] <NonaSuomi> Thought it was EXFAT, but apparently not
[07:26] <north> rpi call home ? histo
[07:26] <north> ?
[07:27] <nbags> NonaSuomi: i dont know that much about NTFS. i dont think it supports hard links, not in the way linux does anyway. maybe it has some equivalent. or maybe its corrupted. have you done a chkdsk?
[07:28] <histo> north: have the raspberry pi ssh back to you instead of you looking for it.
[07:28] <north> I told you... my Rpi is headleass...
[07:28] <NonaSuomi> nbags: This sounds stupid to say, but no. I haven't seen any reports of errors, so I didn't think to.
[07:28] <north> histo my rpi is headless
[07:29] <llutz> north: cron exists
[07:29] <north> llutz: how ?
[07:29] <histo> north: It doesn't matter that it's headless stop telling me that. I know already
[07:29] <llutz> north: cron job checking network ,if yes, establish reverse ssh-tunnel
[07:30] <north> ooh ok. llutz
[07:30] <llutz> well, check for tunnels already existing too
[07:30] <histo> north: find some instructions for reverse ssh
[07:31] <north> sure.... I almost forgot about reverse ssh.... @ histo and llutz
[07:32] <nbags> NonaSuomi: i would still chkdsk it on windows regularly. I find NTFS is not super robust if you regularly uncleanly dismount it. sometimes the MFT slowely gets corrupted then you're screwed ...
[07:35] <nbags> north: or install a dyndns client if the rpi has an internet connection
[07:36] <Nakkel> Hi, I'm running 13.04 on HP 6735b with ATI RS780M and can't get the open drivers to work.
[07:36] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Well this sucks. The machine it's plugged into is just serving it as a SMB share, no Windows install. I'm still pretty sure it's exFAT, not vanilla NTFS, and I don't think I have the space to copy everything off for a total wipe/reformat...
[07:37] <NonaSuomi> So it looks like I may be hosed
[07:37] <Nakkel> Any options other than downgrading X and using legacy fglrx drivers?
[07:37] <histo> Nakkel: yeah installing the drivers from amd
[07:37] <histo> NonaSuomi: what is the problem?
[07:37] <nbags> NonaSuomi: u would need to dismount it. then you could fsck it with linux. (i think ... never used exfat). but if its ntfs dont fsck it with linux, plug into a windows box
[07:38] <Nakkel> histo: RS780M isnt supported by the current fglrx.
[07:38] <Nakkel> histo: And legacy drivers dont work on current X.
[07:39] <NonaSuomi> histo: I've got two directories on a drive acting as if they are linked, but readlink indicates that neither one is a link.
[07:40] <NonaSuomi> nbags: As I understand, exFAT is a proprietary MS format, so I'm iffy about trying to use anything that doesn't play nice with NTFS
[07:42] <nbags> NonaSuomi: readlink will only work on linux filesystems i think
[07:42] <NonaSuomi> Oh, well that would certainly explain that.
[07:43] <nbags> NonaSuomi: it sounds like it could be corrupted. i would plug it into windows and chkdsk. if you care about your data....
[07:44] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Yeah, I think I'm going to do that. Gonna suck to run a full chkdisk on a 2TB drive, but better safe than sorry.
[07:45] <nbags> NonaSuomi: you are running FAT on a 2TB drive? NooooOOoooo!
[07:45] <histo> nbags: exFAT
[07:45] <nbags> NonaSuomi: you are running exFAT on a 2TB drive? NooooOOoooo!
[07:45] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Yeah, well when I got the thing I was using Win7, and there aren't too many options in Windows for partitioning huge drives.
[07:46] <histo> NonaSuomi: sure there are.
[07:46] <nbags> NonaSuomi: still i would use ntfs over exfat ... but surely its worth reformatting it to ext4 or btrfs for speed and reliability
[07:47] <NonaSuomi> Huh, I could have sworn it didn't let me use anything but FAT, NTFS, or exFAT when I formatted with Win7's tool
[07:47] <histo> NonaSuomi: you can add ext3 support to windows
[07:48] <nbags> histo: i dunno if you can make filesystems with it though
[07:48] <nbags> or whether you would risk it
[07:49] <histo> NonaSuomi: basically use a sane filesystem that works for you
[07:50] <NonaSuomi> nbags: I would, but I still may need/want to use the drive on Windows machines later.
[07:51] <chaotix> hello.  i am using ubuntu 13.04 64 bit.  i have kolourpaint4 installed on my computer..  it has been working fine...  all of a sudden it keeps crashing, wont let me save anything, and is being just generally weird..  i think it may have been after installing steam...  any ideas?
[07:52] <chaotix> should i uninstall and reinstall kolourpaint?
[07:52] <nbags> still exfat is based on really ancient technology.  ntfs would probably be a better option. maybe windows  can convert exfat to ntfs?
[07:53] <chaotix> ok i am going to just try to un/reinstall
[07:53] <chaotix> fingers crossed
[07:53] <NonaSuomi> nbags: I'm not sure if it can do that, but I'll certainly check. Also are you sure you're not talking about the older FATxx filesystems. As I understand it, MS made it up themselves and it shares more in common with NTFS than traditional FAT systems
[07:54] <NonaSuomi> But again, I could be completely misinformed
[07:54] <nbags> NonaSuomi: i dont really know i just looked at the wikipedia page. either way support in linux is a lot less mature than that of ntfs
[07:54] <nbags> "Unlike NTFS, exFAT cannot pre-allocate disk space for a file by just marking arbitrary space on disk as 'allocated'. As in FAT, when creating a file of known length, exFAT must perform a complete physical write equal to the size of the file."
[07:54] <nbags> sounds pretty backwards
[07:55] <chaotix> nope, un/reinstalling did nothing
[07:55] <chaotix> it is still crashing
[07:55] <chaotix> i dont know what to do
[07:55] <chaotix> anyone??
[07:55] <nbags> I think MS just hacked up FAT to support bigger disks and such and to break Mac/Linux support
[07:55] <nbags> "Timestamp granularity of 10 ms (same as in FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 for creation time, but not as fine as NTFS's 100 ns"
[07:56] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, a remove leaves the config you would want to run a purge, although I'm not sure this is you answer overall.
[07:56] <chaotix> can someone kick n0o for pm-ing me with sexual stuff?
[07:56] <chaotix> wilee-nilee, thanks
[07:56] <chaotix> i will try that
[07:57] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, Save the info and tell #freenode
[07:58] <hillwellwang> hello,I have got a problem ,how can I input EOF in a terminal in linux
[07:58] <chaotix> wilee-nilee, how do i tell freenode?
[07:58] <histo> hillwellwang: you just type it or hit ctrl+d
[07:58] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, by going to the channel /j #freenode
[07:58] <ObrienDave> chaotix==> report on #freenode channel
[07:58] <hillwellwang> got it
[07:59] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, You can also block PM completely and per users.
[08:02] <DCE25ESK> http://www.upload.ee/files/3425921/0789018632.Routledge.Handbook.of.the.Medical.Consequences.of.Alcohol.and.Drug.Abuse.Dec.2003.pdf.html
[08:03] <bazhang> !ot | DCE25ESK
[08:12] <Faux> I have an intel wifi card, supported by the kernel, but it won't take an essid from networkmanager/iwconfig: Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.  Card is fine as it scans.  Any guesses?  Details: http://pastie.org/8112187
[08:13] <nbags> Faux: i think you just need to be root
[08:14] <nbags> Faux: oh, you've aliased s=sudo. thats dodgy ...
[08:14] <occ> does ubuntu have touchscreen support? there are some new laptops with touchscreens and i3 cpus, so they appear to be x86
[08:16] <Faux> nbags: Oops.  Yeah, I have a few aliases.  For a permissions problem, it actually gives a subtly different error message; operation not permitted, which is what the majority of the internet seems to be getting.
[08:17] <ObrienDave> occ==> there is an Ubuntu Touch version, i believe
[08:18] <nbags> Faux: yeah ive seen that before when hardware doesnt support particular commands. some cards just dont work with iwconfig and network-manager or whatever uses some other mechanism
[08:18] <becom33> I'm runing ubuntu 12.04 I want to share my folders with my other machine in the network . most of them are windows machines also . Im runing a apache locally non of the other machines in the network can get access to my apache or ftp sever . what could be the issue
[08:19] <becom33> ?
[08:19] <Faux> nbags: I was kind of hoping that an in-tree driver/module would support the standard commands.  The worst thing is I could've sworn it worked before.  Maybe I should go find a really old kernel and try that.
[08:19] <ObrienDave> occ==> Ubuntu Touch is NOT an official release yet
[08:20] <nbags> Faux: there are some packages which have backported wireless modules from newer kernels. not sure if that was a debian thing or an ubuntu thing. sounds like an ubuntu thing
[08:21] <ObrienDave> occ==> and it is aimed at phones/tablets, i believe
[08:21] <nbags> Faux: linux-backports-wireless-modules
[08:22] <nbags> or something ...
[08:23] <Faux> Seems like it's an ubuntu thing, but there's barely anywhere to backport the modules /from/, as I'm on modern 3.8.
[08:23] <hamvocke> hi there, I'm having some trouble with the wifi signal strength with my Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235 network adapter. I am able to connect to my wireless network, the signal is extremely low, though. Even when I'm sitting next to the wifi router I only get about 60% signal strength
[08:23] <hamvocke> I've already read  that this might be some trouble with intel's wifi drivers and that I should disable the usage of the n mode on my network adapter
[08:23] <nbags> Faux: ah. maybe try an older kernel?
[08:23] <Faux> Well, that answers the question as to whether the module works at all. ;)  What kernel, hamvocke?
[08:24] <becom33> ??
[08:24] <hamvocke> but the suggested solutions like "modprobe -rfv iwlwifi" only states that the module iwlwifi is in use and cannot be disabled
[08:24] <hamvocke> Faux: 3.8.0-25-generic
[08:24] <Faux> Damn. :)
[08:25] <hamvocke> this seems to be a common problem with intel's wifi adapters. at least i've found several threads on askubuntu and similar forums
[08:26] <hamvocke> everyone seems to be lucky with using rmmod iwlwifi, but if I try to use that command, I only get the error message, that the module is currently in use
[08:27] <hamvocke> furthermore it startles me that I need to disable the n mode of my wifi adapter since I don't want to be stuck on using only b or g wifi :)
[08:27] <varunendra> hamvocke, rmmod is not recommended unless you are sure what you are doing
[08:27] <nbags> hamvocke: try modprobe -r instead of rmmod
[08:27] <histo> hamvocke: you're using sudo ofcourse?
[08:27] <hamvocke> varunendra: wouldn't a restart simply return my system to the old state?
[08:27] <hamvocke> nbags: will give it a try
[08:28] <hamvocke> histo: sure :)
[08:28] <varunendra> hamvocke, what is the problem? Just the signal being "appearing" low, or slow speed as well?
[08:28] <hamvocke> nbags: Error message remains the same: "FATAL: Module iwlwifi is in use"
[08:28] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[08:28] <nbags> hamvocke: does ifconfig show it as up?
[08:29] <nbags> might need to bring it down first
[08:29] <hamvocke> varunendra: the signal is dropping if I am at some distance to the router as well
[08:29] <nbags> or kill network-manager
[08:29] <nbags> or something
[08:29] <hamvocke> this distance however is incredibly low. Like one room away from my router where all my other devices almost have full signal
[08:30] <hamvocke> nbags: will I lose my network connection as soon as I kill network manager?
[08:30] <histo> hamvocke: yes
[08:31] <histo> hamvocke: you would as soon as you remove the module as well
[08:31] <varunendra> hamvocke, how are the speeds at different distances? The modprobe -rfv command is not a solution in itself by the way, just the first step to it.
[08:32] <hamvocke> histo: would I be able to connect to my wifi at all without this module? will it just disable the n mode for my wifi adapter or switch it off entirely?
[08:32] <nbags> hamvocke: rmmod or modprobe -r will disable it
[08:32] <Faux> nbags: Mmm, doesn't work on the actual original -19 raring kernel either, and loads of other things are worse. :(
[08:32] <hamvocke> varunendra: the speed is pretty slow at a further distance. If I'm sitting next to the router it's fine
[08:32] <histo> hamvocke: no
[08:33] <nbags> hamvocke: presumably you are removing the module so you can then reinstall it will different parameters?
[08:33] <histo> hamvocke: are you sure this is a module/driver issue?
[08:33] <varunendra> hamvocke, please follow this post and post back the pastebin link to the report it asks to generate : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12350385
[08:33] <nbags> Faux: what about the original kernel with the backported module?
[08:34] <nbags> Faux: maybe you are on the wrong track - maybe the driver doesnt support iwconfig at all and you are missing something else network manager needs.
[08:35] <hamvocke> nbags: the solutions in the threads I've found all say that I should try to disable the module via modprobe / rmmod and then check whether it's successful. If so, I should alter my iwlwifi.conf in /etc/modprobe.d and write "options iwlwifi 11n disable=1" in there
[08:36] <nbags> hamvocke: ok you can do that without doing any rmmod or modprobe -r. just make the change then reboot
[08:36] <varunendra> hamvocke, sometimes the "swcrypto=1" parameter is sufficient for this driver.
[08:36] <hamvocke> nbags: I've done so yesterday. Upon restarting I couldn't connect to my wifi at all
[08:36] <hamvocke> that was the point where I figured out I needed some further help :)
[08:36] <nbags> hamvocke: is your router configured right? to support g and n?
[08:37] <hamvocke> nbags: yes, it is
[08:37] <Faux> nbags: Urgh.
[08:37] <nbags> hamvocke: its weird that options iwlwifi 11n disable=1 would kill your wifi completely, if your AP also supports G. did you check for errors in dmesg when you did this?
[08:38] <varunendra> nbags, 11n disable??
[08:38] <hamvocke> nbags: no, I did not check dmesg as far as i remember
[08:38] <varunendra> or 11n_disable
[08:38] <hamvocke> varunendra: here's my wireless-info: http://pastebin.com/wM0XLCKa
[08:39] <nbags> varunendra: im just copying what hamvocke wrote earlier
[08:39] <hamvocke> nbags: that could be the problem. Maybe it was a typo in my config file
[08:39] <varunendra> nbags, that's why I suspect, although in that case the parameter will just be ignored.
[08:40] <nbags> hamvocke: what tool produced that output? its nice :)
[08:40] <hamvocke> just checked: I really did write "options iwlwifi 11n disable" in my iwlwifi.conf yesterday
[08:40] <nbags> hamvocke: when you change the parameter you should run that tool again
[08:40] <hamvocke> nbags: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2082305&p=12350385#post12350385
[08:40] <varunendra> hamvocke, first suggestion - try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off"
[08:40] <hamvocke> varunendra: that will disable the power management, right?
[08:41] <varunendra> hamvocke, correct !
[08:41] <hamvocke> I think I've tried that yesterday with no success, but I'll give it another try
[08:42] <varunendra> hamvocke, also, the iwlwifi is being used by yet another driver - iwldvm, so you need to modprobe -r that one...
[08:42] <nbags> hamvocke: yeah if you remove iwldvm you should be able to change parameters without a reboot
[08:42] <hamvocke> varunendra: I've tried around with that options as well yesterday. Disabled iwldvm and iwlwifi and afterwards I couldn't connect to my wifi at all
[08:43] <hamvocke> but let me try it again. try modprobe -r on iwlwifi and iwldvm again and will report back
[08:43] <varunendra> hamvocke, the biggest problem (IMHO), you are using WPA/WPA2 mixed mode. That is absolutely not recommended. Change it to WPA2-PSK (AES) only, no mixed mode, no TKIP.
[08:43] <hamvocke> does it make sense to run that wireless-info script again as soon as I've disabled them?
[08:44] <hamvocke> varunendra: is that something I need to set on my router or on my device's wifi adapter?
[08:44] <nbags> hamvocke: no. disable, then reenable with the 11n parameter and power management parameter. then rerun the tool
[08:44] <moksud_xp> hello
[08:44] <varunendra> hamvocke, yes, that needs to be set in the router.
[08:44] <nbags> hamvocke: you need to change the parameter then modprobe the modules again
[08:44] <moksud_xp> I had a problem during the installation of a GUI on my ubuntu server version
[08:45] <hamvocke> nbags: how do I reenable it? and changing the parameter takes place in my iwlwifi.conf, right?
[08:45] <nbags> hamvocke: in /etc/modprobe.d?
[08:45] <histo> !details | moksud_xp
[08:45] <hamvocke> nbags: yes
[08:45] <moksud_xp> I have a problem with the execution of this code: sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:46] <nbags> hamvocke: so once you 'modprobe -r iwlwifi', change the parameter then 'modprobe iwlwifi'
[08:46] <histo> moksud_xp: what is the problem?
[08:46] <ObrienDave> moksud_xp==> make it read sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:46] <nbags> hamvocke: the modprobe -r basically unloads the driver. then you need to reload it with the new parameters
[08:46] <moksud_xp> I have ubuntu 13.04 server version without a GUI, Ubuntu tells me "W:Impossible to recover http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/distr/raring-backports/main/i18n/translationit-IT
[08:46] <hamvocke> nbags: great. thank you
[08:47] <hamvocke> I'll give it a try and report back in a few minutes. Thank you very much for your help so far
[08:47] <moksud_xp> "There was a undefined problem with the resolution of "it.archive.ubuntu.com:http"(-11 - System Error)
[08:50] <moksud_xp> there is some resolution to my problem ?
[08:54] <moksud_xp> there is someone that can help me with this problem please ?
[08:54] <moksud_xp> #ubuntu-it
[08:54] <varunendra> moksud_xp, have you tried to change the server to the main one insted of "it" (Italy??)
[08:54] <hamvocke> alright, I've done following steps:
[08:55] <hamvocke> 1) modprobe -r iwldvm
[08:55] <hamvocke> 2) modprobe -r iwlwifi
[08:55] <moksud_xp> how can I change it ?
[08:55] <moksud_xp> I don't have a GUI.... I had this problem when trying to install the GUI
[08:55] <hamvocke> 3) altered my /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi config and added the line "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1"
[08:56] <hamvocke> and changed the wifi settings in my router to only use wpa2 instead of wpa/wpa2
[08:56] <hamvocke> here's the new paste: http://pastebin.com/tw6NXByx
[08:56] <NonaSuomi> Okay, with regards to my earlier fs problem, I'm pretty convinced to ditch exFAT, but what fs should I use? The drive is an external, USB 2.0, 2TB in size and will mostly be used for NAS purposes via SAMBA. I'm thinking it's between ext3/4, btrfs, and zfs, but I can't really seem to understand the pros and cons to each.
[08:56] <varunendra> moksud_xp, can you use sed command??
[08:56] <MonkeyDust> moksud_xp  the gui comes with a basic installation, what were you trying to do?
[08:56] <histo> moksud_xp: sounds like that particular repository is down
[08:56] <blazemore> NonaSuomi: If in doubt, just use ext4
[08:56] <hamvocke> my changes didn't change anything on my signal strength
[08:56] <moksud_xp> sincerly I don't know about sed command...
[08:56] <histo> moksud_xp: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and change the one that is erroring from it.archive.ubuntu.com  to archive.ubuntu.com for the time being
[08:57] <moksud_xp> I'm a Ubuntu user from yesterdaty
[08:57] <moksud_xp> okey, I need to change the source into what ?
[08:57] <varunendra> moksud_xp, try - "sudo sed -i 's:it.archive.ubuntu:archive.ubuntu:' /etc/apt/sources.list" (without the outer quotes)
[08:58] <histo> moksud_xp: or you could sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak && sudo sed -i 's/it.//' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:58] <nbags> hamvocke:  i guess u were on the wrong track then, cause your changes did work, its connected at 54mbps now
[08:58] <varunendra> moksud_xp, basically, you need to remove the "it." part from the urls. The sed command I gave you should do it, but be careful..
[08:59] <NonaSuomi> blazemore: Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but does ext4 still have the issue with interrupted writes causing truncated files?
[08:59] <hamvocke> nbags: so wireless n is disabled now, but my signal remains weak. That means wireless n is not the cause of the problem apparently?
[08:59] <ActionPa1snip> histo: no 'g'?
[08:59] <histo> ActionPa1snip: not needed for what he is doing
[08:59] <NonaSuomi> Because I don't exactly have this system on a UPS, so I don't want to lose anything if/when the system died mid-write
[08:59] <blazemore> NonaSuomi: I don't know; I've never heard of that issue before. ext4 is the default filesystem for Ubuntu which is why I'm reocmmending it
[08:59] <ActionPa1snip> hamvocke: are there lots of wireless networks on the same channel as you are using?
[09:00] <nbags> hamvocke: guess so
[09:00] <varunendra> hamvocke, the "iwldvm" driver is not available in my 12.04 installation. Please also show us : "modinfo iwldvm | pastebinit"
[09:01] <hamvocke> might as well be a construction error then. I'm experiencing this problem with my new notebook
[09:01] <ActionPa1snip> histo: oh yeah, makes sense
[09:01] <Matthew_Moore> QUESTION:  when 13.10 comes out with Mir and this deep development stuff they keep talking about. should i upgrade from 13.04  or would it be a better idea to go back to 12.04 until they get the kinks sorted out?
[09:02] <ActionPa1snip> hamvocke: check surrounding networks and the channels they use, if you have lots on the same channel then that will cause it and you will need to switch channel
[09:02] <hamvocke> ActionPa1snip: no, maybe one other network on the same channel
[09:02] <histo> !better | Matthew_Moore
[09:02] <ActionPa1snip> Matthew_Moore: 13.10 questions in #ubuntu+1 please
[09:02] <nbags> hamvocke: sure. if you can check if the same problem exists on windows (if you have it) before suspecting a linux driver issue. and yeah, try different channels like ActionPa1snip says
[09:02] <ActionPa1snip> Matthew_Moore: If you want stability then use the LTS
[09:02] <hamvocke> varunendra: http://pastebin.com/tw6NXByx
[09:03] <nbags> ActionPa1snip: you can also try turning your AP on its side, or moving it around a bit if you can
[09:03] <nbags> hamvocke: ^^
[09:03] <hamvocke> I'm using 13.04 btw, just in case you guys didn't already figure that out from the context. Forgot to mention it initially.
[09:03] <Matthew_Moore> okie dokie.  i was curious what other peoples opinions were. cuz everything i read seems like this will be a very bumpy road ahead.
[09:04] <histo> hamvocke: if it's a new notebook perhaps the antenna cam unattached during shipping. Usually there is a door on the bottom of your laptop you can get access to the wireless card. I would look in there and make sure the two wires are attached.
[09:04] <histo> Matthew_Moore: If you don't want bumps then run LTS
[09:04] <varunendra> hamvocke, I asked for "modinfo iwldvm".... you posted the previous link :)
[09:04] <nbags> histo: ++ yeah try that if they didn't go and put a 'warranty void if removed' sticker on it like they did with my asus
[09:04] <nbags> hamvocke: ^^
[09:05] <Matthew_Moore> yes. but i also hate using older software when i know somthing newer is out there.  a little OCD i guess. drives me batty. :/
[09:05] <histo> Matthew_Moore: if it aint broke don't fix it
[09:05] <iceroot> Matthew_Moore: older does also mean more stable
[09:05] <hamvocke> varunendra: sorry, correct link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5846094/
[09:05] <nbags> Matthew_Moore: you could dual boot mint and ubuntu and debian. go to debian when you're annoyed at all the bugs and go back to ubuntu when you're annoyed at the old software
[09:06] <NikTh> New software - bleeding edge  and stable are not fit .
[09:06] <Matthew_Moore> well i left 12.04 becuase of the issues i had with that. Unity related things mostly.  having used it since 12.04.1  though
[09:07] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore: My situation here -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1196355  :P
[09:07] <hamvocke> histo, nbags: I think opening that thing up might be kind of troublesome. It's one of those compact ultrabook things. I doubt that I'll be able to reach any wire at all :)
[09:08] <hamvocke> but you have a point with trying a windows environment to verify this is a linux driver issue
[09:08] <nbags> hamvocke: histo is right though, it could just be a cable come loose.
[09:08] <Matthew_Moore> NikTh:  not a very good bug.   i have a really weird bug with all the new Ubuntu based distros with my screen Brightness changing itself everytime i open the settings manager.
[09:08] <varunendra> hamvocke, you said "...added the line "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1"... does it mean the options file now contains multiple lines?
[09:09] <nbags> hamvocke: i swore i would never open this plastic asus thing again. i already broke a couple of clips upgrading the hdd
[09:09] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore: But I have an LTS also, to do stable tasks.. for everyday use (not just) ;)
[09:09] <hamvocke> if i installed windows in a VM and boot that in my ubuntu environment, will windows use its own drivers or will that somehow be wrapped by my ubuntu drivers?
[09:09] <hamvocke> varunendra: nope, just that line
[09:09] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore: Where is the bug report ?
[09:09] <nbags> varunendra: the options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 worked for hamvocke ... i checked the output
[09:09] <nbags> hamvocke: no u need to boot windows natively
[09:10] <Matthew_Moore> i found three others just like it so i just have been commenting on those.
[09:10] <hamvocke> nbags: oh, damn. That'll be some nasty installation :/
[09:10] <varunendra> nbags, that speed can be variable at different times unless fixed by iwconfig
[09:10] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore: Good you participate. Is this an Nvidia card - Nvidia settings ?
[09:10] <Matthew_Moore> no. i have intel graphics.
[09:11] <nbags> varunendra: i suppose. but it was at 130mbps before hamvocke made the change, and 54mbps afterwards
[09:11] <Matthew_Moore> i also had an issue when i would dual boot. after booting into ubuntu the sound would be broken in windows. i would have to reset the bios every time to fix it.
[09:11] <Matthew_Moore> found 2 other bug reports on the same issue.  both on launchpad
[09:11] <varunendra> hamvocke, I'd suggest that you once more change that line to also include "swcrypto=1" parameter
[09:12] <Matthew_Moore> i dont know if its my imagination but Linux in general seems to be alot more problematic then it used to be. :(
[09:12] <varunendra> nbags, it definitely worked as expected, but didn't help as per hamvocke :(
[09:12] <hamvocke> varunendra: would the complete line then be "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 swcrypto=1"?
[09:12] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore: What is the status of the bugs you found ? Fix Released, Invalid ... what ?
[09:12] <varunendra> hamvocke, yes, exactly
[09:13] <nbags> varunendra: sure. i dont know anything about iwlwifi, just trying to help hamvocke to change module loading parameters
[09:13] <hamvocke> varunendra: alright, I'll give it a try and be back in a minute
[09:13] <varunendra> nbags, I'm no expert either.. ;)
[09:13] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore: Is not a matter of imagination or logic.. Linux is what a user feels it is.. At my opinion is more stable than Windows..
[09:13] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore:  I never had any problems.. :)
[09:14] <Matthew_Moore> Well i have been using Ubuntu since 08'  as time goes on things seem to slowley be getting more and more buggy.  and this opinion is not aimed at just Ubuntu.
[09:15] <ActionPa1snip> Matthew_Moore: how many desktop environments have you tried in each?
[09:15] <Matthew_Moore> all the poplar ones.  XFCE, KDE, GNome, Unity, CInamon, Mate.  LXDE.   none of that tiled stuff.
[09:16] <Matthew_Moore> i have the least amount of problems on KDE. but KDE is just so so ugly even after appliing themes
[09:17] <ActionPa1snip> Matthew_Moore: strange. I've been on LXDE since Natty and Gnome before that back to Gutsy and not seen much performance hit at all
[09:17] <Matthew_Moore> i am in no way speaking ill of Linux.  its still better then windows. i just know my experience with it has gotten worse over the last 2 years
[09:17] <nbags> Matthew_Moore: i feel that ubuntu desktop has become more bloated and buggy in the last five years too, but linux has gotten better and more stable in that time. when you add a lot of features and bleeding edge software to a distro you experience more bugs
[09:17] <NikTh> Matthew_Moore:  I agree with "slowly" . Things now are not as was 5-10 years ago. The requirements - users demands are more and OSs must follow. In order to follow, OSs must add more and more features..
[09:17] <bazhang> !ot | Matthew_Moore
[09:18] <ActionPa1snip> Matthew_Moore: Unity and Cinnamon aren't DEs :)
[09:18] <bazhang> lets get back to support please
[09:18] <Matthew_Moore> Well Most issues i run into are not specific to any one distro.  for example. every distro using Kernel 3.2 overheats my computer.  i had to wait until 3.7 for a fix.
[09:18] <histo> Matthew_Moore: so how is that getting worse?
[09:19] <moksud_xp> sorry I was far away from my pc and I didnt see answers
[09:19] <moksud_xp> someone can help me with the problem of updating packages ?
[09:19] <MonkeyDust> Matthew_Moore  discussions and opinions i #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[09:19] <Dynamit> dam if you guys have kernel problem compile the lates and install the latest one
[09:19] <bazhang> moksud_xp, change mirrors
[09:20] <bazhang> Dynamit, thats not good advice
[09:20] <hamvocke> back with swcrypto=1
[09:20] <NikTh> Dynamit: LoL
[09:20] <histo> moksud_xp: or you could sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak && sudo sed -i 's/it.//' /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:20] <hamvocke> here's a new wireless-info: http://pastebin.com/qdwFU3MD
[09:20] <hamvocke> still doesn't look much better now
[09:20] <Matthew_Moore> Well if you have to change your kernel to get it to work right i say that distro has failed. wouldnt you say?
[09:21] <histo> hamvocke: did you check the antenna connections yet?
[09:21] <bazhang> Matthew_Moore, thats offtopic
[09:21] <bazhang> Matthew_Moore, you've been asked several times now
[09:21] <Dynamit> bazhang: it is then it is not needed to wait for a repo to releas the kernel
[09:21] <histo> Matthew_Moore: You said it was fixed in newer kernels I would say that's progress
[09:21] <Matthew_Moore> ok ok. i know. sorry.
[09:21] <hamvocke> histo: no, not yet. I guess that will be a very tedious process, so I'll just want to make sure to have checked the other options first
[09:21] <Matthew_Moore> i get cought up in my thoughts somtimes. sorry
[09:22] <bazhang> Dynamit, there is a PPA for that, but compiling a kernel...with ubuntu...not good advice
[09:22] <histo> hamvocke: it's one screw
[09:22] <histo> not very tedious
[09:22] <histo> hamvocke: shutdown laptop flip it over remove wifi cover and inspect that antenna is connected.
[09:23] <ActionPa1snip> Matthew_Moore: works fine here
[09:24] <ActionPa1snip> moksud_xp: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[09:24] <hamvocke> histo: I'm afraid it's not that simple. I'm dealing with a Dell XPS 13 ultrabook here. I have to unscrew several torx screws to access any of the guts of that device. I'll search for a plan on how to access the wifi card right now, maybe you're right and it isn't a big deal despite the compact form factor
[09:24] <histo> hamvocke: no there should be a cover
[09:25] <histo> hamvocke: nvm not on that model
[09:26] <histo> hamvocke: http://blog.parts-people.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/XPS_13_Ultrabook_WLAN_Screw.jpg
[09:26] <hamvocke> histo: I've just found instructions on how to replace the wifi card in my device. I think I'll try this afterwards. But I need to make sure that I won't void my warranty
[09:26] <histo> hamvocke: those are the two wires
[09:26] <Matthew_Moore> Unity wont run with Kwin will it?   i use Kwin on XFCE becase i find it to be snappier and more stable then compiz. but kwin would break unity wouldnt it?
[09:26] <hamvocke> histo: yes, that's exactly what I've found
[09:26] <histo> hamvocke: do you still have the OS installed that it came with?
[09:26] <ActionPa1snip> Matthew_Moore: it may do, try it :)
[09:27] <hamvocke> histo: nope. It came with windows 8. I ditched it directly
[09:27] <iceroot> Matthew_Moore: you can install both but to run unity you need compiz and cant change that
[09:27] <iceroot> Matthew_Moore: also with 13.10 you may face problems mixing kubuntu and ubuntu because they will be use total different display-server
[09:28] <iceroot> Matthew_Moore: and kwin will NOT work with MIR only with Wayland/X11
[09:28] <histo> hamvocke: well... perhaps search askubuntu for your wireless chipset or launchpad and see if anyone has noticed a bug
[09:28] <hamvocke> histo: yeah, I've done so yesterday. All solutions pointed to disabling wireless n
[09:29] <wasanzy> do we have free cpanel version
[09:29] <Matthew_Moore> iceroot: i am aware of that.  i had a KDE developer on my youtube show previously. i am well aware of the direction of KDE.
[09:29] <histo> hamvocke: the other option is to try a newer module like one from intel
[09:30] <iceroot> Matthew_Moore: i ust think that kubuntu will be removed from the official ubuntu-familie (my opinion)
[09:30] <hamvocke> histo: I'm already using an Intel module. Or are you suggesting using a newer Intel module than I currently use?
[09:31] <varunendra> hamvocke, I'm not sure why, but people are also often advised to use channel 1 or 11 for better performance. Your current signal not only is weak, but also has more than average noise (was even more in previous outputs)
[09:31] <Matthew_Moore> what about K apps on Mir?  such as Kdenlive.  they use QT libraries. is KDE isnt developing for Mir wouldnt these apps and Libraries break?
[09:32] <hamvocke> histo: I'm a bit concerned that the wifi module might be troublesome, though. Dell also sells an ubuntu approved version of the XPS 13 (the so called "developer edition"). That version does not use an Intel module but some "Killer" wireless module. That developer edition was not available to me as a private customer in Germany though, so I bought a version with lower hardware specs
[09:32] <iceroot> Matthew_Moore: i guess #ubuntu+1 is better for that
[09:33] <iceroot> Matthew_Moore: but because of exactly these problems you named i guess kubuntu will be removed
[09:33] <histo> hamvocke: I agree that the module may also be the problem. The only way you will know is to try an updated one
[09:33] <varunendra> hamvocke, different people have different opinions about intel cards. On Ubuntu Forums, some are that swear by its name :P
[09:33] <hamvocke> varunendra: thanks, I'll try changing the channel later. Hopefully that'll help
[09:34] <ashwith> check
[09:34] <hamvocke> varunendra: yes, I've read repeatedly that "you cannot go wrong with an intel chipset", that's why I specifically searched for that when buying my new notebook
[09:34] <Matthew_Moore> Yeah that's my concern.  i rely on Kdenlive for my youtube show. :(  ill keep my fingers crossed.  hope things go well there.
[09:35] <varunendra> hamvocke, also try changing dns and make sure IPv6 is set to "Ignore" in network manage (both are unrelated to signal strength, but disabling IPv6 may improve speed)
[09:35] <hamvocke> histo: maybe I should try using windows first to see, if the signal issue appears there as well. If so, I can conclude that this is not a driver issue and that I need to do something about the hardware
[09:35] <hamvocke> varunendra: thanks, will do
[09:36] <Matthew_Moore> i alredy have one issue with Kdenlive on 13.04. Key Spill mop up crashes the thing.  but the same version from the same repo on 12.04 works fine. not a clue what the diffrence is between them.
[09:37] <Matthew_Moore> Dependacy or Library change i would assume.
[09:38] <hamvocke> I've read somewhere that using Fedora helped fixing the problem for one guy. Maybe I'll try booting into a Fedora live environment before installing Windows. That could spare me some time
[09:42] <varunendra> hamvocke, might as well try 12.04 :P
[09:42] <mattviapc> hi, would anyone mind assisting me in installing ubuntu?
[09:42] <varunendra> !details | mattviapc
[09:43] <histo> hamvocke: installing a new module might be the fastest bet but depends on what you know.
[09:43] <hamvocke> histo: installing a new module is also the most expensive bet so far, isn't it?
[09:44] <histo> hamvocke: expensive?
[09:44] <varunendra> hamvocke, module = driver, not card
[09:44] <mattviapc> Currently I have 2 hard drives (one has my windows installation and the other stores data a programs). I want to get the second drive that is 230GB and partition it in windows to be 130gb and 100gb. When I do so I cannot see the partition I made in ubuntu.
[09:44] <hamvocke> histo, varunendra: ah, I see what you're talking about
[09:45] <histo> hamvocke: that's why fedora would work over ubuntu their module may be newer...
[09:45] <histo> or older
[09:45] <hamvocke> histo: alright, I misunderstood the word "module" :)
[09:46] <histo> hamvocke: yes I meant kernel module as in driver in the windows world
[09:46] <hamvocke> histo: is there any resource that can give me some instructions on how to install a new module? or am i save to just google something myself?
[09:47] <pode_> r irc.cc.tut.fi
[09:47] <antonio_> I cannot figure out why I cant record any audio on my laptop running 12.10
[09:47] <antonio_> somedays it works..somedays it doesnt
[09:47] <varunendra> hamvocke, do you have an account on Ubuntu Forums? If not create one and create a thread there. You'll get very detailed and thorough help there.
[09:48] <blazemore> antonio_: Install the package "pavucontrol" - it provides a bit more control over audio devices than the default sound settings program
[09:48] <hamvocke> varunendra: thanks, that sounds like a good idea.
[09:49] <MonkeyDust> mattviapc  are you in ubuntu now?
[09:49] <mattviapc> not atm, im defragging my drive in windows
[09:49] <varunendra> hamvocke, if no better person picks up your thread there, you may PM me (my id is same there)
[09:49] <mattviapc> should I just go to ubuntu or should I defrag it?
[09:50] <blazemore> Speaking of defragging, if Windows has the only large partition on the drive, is it better to defragment it before shrinking the partiton when installing for a dual-boot?
[09:50] <MonkeyDust> mattviapc  better ask your ubuntu question, while you're in ubuntu
[09:50] <Faux> blazemore: Probably not, defragging is just as likely to move data into the space you want freed up as out of it.
[09:50] <hamvocke> varunendra: thanks!
[09:51] <blazemore> Faux: Especially for an SSD. I thought so, anyway
[09:52] <antonio_> blazemore: not really helping..
[09:52] <antonio_> This is really starting to piss me off...audio on linux has always given me troubles
[09:52] <blazemore> antonio_: Can you see your input device there?
[09:52] <MonkeyDust> antonio_  in a terminal, type     alsamixer       do you see something wrong?
[09:53] <blazemore> MonkeyDust: He's already got pavucontrol
[09:53] <Faux> Otoh, I've lost so much data to ntfsresize that I'd strongly suggest doing it some other way.
[09:54] <antonio_> I don't f#$#king get this!
[09:55] <antonio_> I always have troubles with this shit...
[09:55] <antonio_> I have a 1/8" jack going into the mic jack on the front of my laptop...
[09:55] <antonio_> sometimes it works..sometimes it doesn't
[09:55] <blazemore> antonio_: Can you see your input device there?
[09:55] <antonio_> yeah..line in
[09:56] <ObrienDave> antonio_==> does the cable work elsewhere?
[09:56] <blazemore> antonio_: Go to the "Configuration" tab, what other options are available for your sound card? is it set to Stereo Duplex?
[09:56] <antonio_> obriendave: yes...like I said it
[09:56] <antonio_> it'll work on here sometimes
[09:56] <antonio_> analog stereo duplex
[09:57] <blazemore> antonio_: Could it be a dodgy cable?
[09:57] <antonio_> nope
[09:57] <antonio_> works fine on other machines
[09:58] <blazemore> antonio_: Are there any options other than Line In? Can you change it to something else? Like "front mic" or similar?
[09:58] <ObrienDave> I had a cable that would work one way but if i turned it over 180 degrees it would NOT work
[09:59] <ObrienDave> drove me absolutely bonkers
[09:59] <antonio_> its not the cable..works fine on other machines
[09:59] <blazemore> antonio_: Are there any options other than Line In? Can you change it to something else? Like "front mic" or similar?
[10:00] <antonio_> analog input/mic/mic, analog input/mic/line in, internal mic, microphone
[10:00] <blazemore> antonio_: Try them all to see which one works
[10:01] <antonio_> none of them work
[10:01] <blazemore> That first one is the most likely
[10:02] <ObrienDave> does it work after a reboot always? or sometimes?
[10:02] <blazemore> antonio_: Go to the "Input Devices" tab and make sure the volume is turned up
[10:04] <blazemore> antonio_: Let me know when you've checked that
[10:06] <ubuntu> chinku
[10:06] <antonio_> not working
[10:06] <antonio_> getting ready to drop linux
[10:06] <blazemore> antonio_: What is not working? Is it turned up?
[10:06] <blazemore> antonio_: Could you please answer my question? I'm starting to think you're just a troll
[10:06] <antonio_> yes its turned up
[10:06] <blazemore> OK
[10:07] <reboot> it was bad idea to use reboot nickname...
[10:07] <Guest80534> hello all
[10:07] <blazemore> antonio_: In a terminal run "alsamixer" (without quotes) and you will get a sound manager. Once in, press [F4] to access capture settings. If any of the "Capture" modules have a couple of lines underneath ---------, try marking the module with the arrow eys, and pressing [Spacebar]. You will see some red text which idicates that the module is recording
[10:08] <antonio_> brb
[10:08] <antonio_> restartinb
[10:08] <antonio_> restarting
[10:11] <antonio_> ok back
[10:11] <antonio_> sound still not working
[10:12] <hillwellwang> where should I go to get an answer of a C program question?
[10:14] <tuxskyer> whois Goose
[10:14] <blazemore> hillwellwang: #c
[10:14] <ObrienDave> hillwellwang==> there are a number of C channels
[10:15] <Quest>  iam using trruecrypt but while mounting an ntfs file on a nfts files system partition, it says. http://pastebin.com/9vCBgexP     .   I can use it in windows 7 but not in linuxx ubuntu. any ideas?
[10:16] <xgeek-cub> hello
[10:16] <blazemore> Quest: From the Truecrypt FAQ: File system within a TrueCrypt volume may become corrupted in the same way as any normal unencrypted file system. When that happens, you can use filesystem repair tools supplied with your operating system to fix it. In Windows, it is the 'chkdsk' tool. TrueCrypt provides an easy way to use this tool on a TrueCrypt volume: Right-click the mounted volume in the main TrueCrypt window (in the drive list) and from th
[10:16] <blazemore> Quest: Do that from within Windows
[10:16] <xgeek-cub> i am looking for a pastebin service that has login and save all of my paste for ever!
[10:16] <Quest> blazemore,  i have already run checkdisk
[10:17] <xgeek-cub> BUT not the pastbin itself
[10:17] <Quest> blazemore,  i have already run checkdisk and it does runs files from windows. not from linux
[10:17] <Ben64> Quest: read the error you posted
[10:17] <blazemore> Quest: Boot into Windows, unmount it properly with Eject
[10:17] <Ben64> "In the first case run chkdsk /f on Windows then reboot into Windows twice."
[10:18] <Ben64> notice the "twice" part
[10:18] <Quest> Ben64,  its not software or hardware fault (as i have chkdsk from windows and it works fine there).  and iam not using raid either
[10:18] <blazemore> Quest: The fact it's truecrypt is irrelevant - you have an inconsistant NTFS partition and Windows needs to repair it
[10:18] <Quest> blazemore, ^
[10:18] <dell> hi
[10:18] <blazemore> Quest: Ben64 has told you what to do; we can't help you any more if you won't even help yourself
[10:19] <Quest> blazemore,  Ben64  i didnt got you. what did you meant? i have already check dsk the partition in windows and ran the same truecrypt file by truecrypt in windows 7. what else i should do?
[10:19] <blazemore> Quest: If you can't use Windows you can install ntfsprogs and use "sudo ntfsfix /dev/partitionName" (once it's unencrypted) but this is potentially dangerous
[10:20] <rexwin_> does anybody how to Setup WHMCS on Rack Space?
[10:20] <Ben64> Quest: the error you pastebinned has the answer in it
[10:20] <miroslav_> Hi All
[10:20] <blazemore> Quest: But the best thing to do is: Reboot to Windows, run chkdsk /f, and then reboot Windows TWICE
[10:20] <Quest> blazemore,  ok.
[10:20] <dell> hi
[10:20] <blazemore> dell: Do you have a question?
[10:21] <dell> no tnx
[10:21] <Quest> blazemore,  thanks for being elaborated. i will be back if unsuccesfull. thanks
[10:21] <ObrienDave> may I suggest chkdsk /x? that forces any open handles closed and implies /r
[10:21] <Ben64> blazemore: ... it literally says to reboot twice in the error he posted
[10:22] <blazemore> Ben64: I know, my message to him was going to be the last time I said it
[10:22] <tux2>  sudo usermod -G www-data hary
[10:22] <Ben64> didn't know facepalm was a ctcp
[10:22] <tux2> and every since I am not in sudoers.. I can't install any app
[10:22] <tux2> please help
[10:22] <Ben64> Tux: because you changed your group, you didn't add yourself to one
[10:23] <Ben64> tux2: *
[10:23] <Ben64> tux2: you need to boot into recovery mode and fix your groups
[10:23] <tux2> Ben64: I get it. :)
[10:24] <tux2> Ben64: I can log into root using shell in ctrl+alt+F3
[10:24] <Ben64> you gave root a password? : /
[10:25] <tux2> Ben64: its same passwd as hary
[10:25] <tux2> i didn't gave any
[10:25] <tux2> its strange :(
[10:25] <Ben64> you must have
[10:25] <tux2> maybe because hary is in administrator
[10:25] <Ben64> anyway, thats not really recommended
[10:25] <tux2> Ben64: yup
[10:25] <Ben64> can be dangerous having root account unlocked, but this is how you add a user to groups....
[10:26] <Ben64> usermod -a -G group user
[10:26] <tux2> Ben64: so, I should go in recovery mode and then use the command lines to manage groups ?
[10:26] <Ben64> these are the groups i'm in ... ben64 adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[10:26] <Ben64> yes
[10:28] <nevyn> no.
[10:29] <tux2> adding didn't work
[10:29] <tux2> says the same
[10:29] <tux2> haha
[10:29] <tux2> restarted the terminal
[10:29] <tux2> after adding my hary to sudoers in the terminal
[10:30] <tux2> tty using F3
[10:30] <tux2> Ben64: what do you suggest ?
[10:31] <Quest> blazemore, Ben64  rebooted twice, same problem
[10:31] <varunendra> tux2, what groups you are currently member of? (groups command)
[10:33] <danley> Hi. I have a  Realtek RTL8111/8168B ethernet chip. I installed the drivers as per instructions found on google. They worked fine, too. But I have the problem that whenever I update to a new kernel I have to redo the procedure which is impossible because I can only access the machine remotely. How can I automize the building of that kernel module for that ethernet card?
[10:33] <rexwin_> does anybody how to Setup WHMCS on Rack Space
[10:33] <blazemore> Quest: Try using the truecrypt check volume option
[10:34] <blazemore> Quest: Right-click the mounted volume in the main TrueCrypt window (in the drive list) and from the context menu select 'Repair Filesystem'.
[10:34] <ActionPa1snip> danley: look into dkms
[10:34] <varunendra> danley, read on bulding "dkms" modules, or search one.
[10:35] <blazemore> Quest: Notice I'm talking about checking the encrypted file container; NOT the ntfs partition where the file container is stored
[10:35] <Quest> blazemore,  it doesnt mounts it in linux. does in windows.     i dont see a repair functino in linux truecrypt either
[10:35] <blazemore> Quest: nono, you do the repair from Windows
[10:35] <Quest> bazhang,  yes. i got you
[10:35] <Quest> blazemore,  ok
[10:36] <Quest> brb
[10:37] <danley> thanks ActionPa1snip, varunendra. do you guys think this: http://djlab.com/2010/10/fixing-rtl8111-8168b-driver-debian-ubuntu/ in the update would work?
[10:37] <varunendra> danley, no that is a different driver
[10:38] <danley> but the principle, I mean
[10:38] <varunendra> danley, yes, if that talks about "howto build one" then it should be same.
[10:40] <varunendra> danley, just re-read your original question, even the driver is same (/facepalms)
[10:40] <varunendra> danley, but why do you need it? The native one is good enough now. (r8169)
[10:42] <blazemore> varunendra: For me, I have to remove r8169 and install r8168 or I get dropped frames
[10:42] <varunendra> blazemore, still?? On 12.04 or later ??
[10:42] <blazemore> Although it's improved since 12.04
[10:42] <patsToms> morning, I want to use open box with one window there. But seems I need vnc to push some buttons there. I have ubuntu server 13
[10:43] <patsToms> any ideas?
[10:43] <blazemore> In fact, I don't *have* to any more, but I get slightly better perforance if I do
[10:43] <varunendra> blazemore, it used to be a problem in 10.04, but not anymore it seems
[10:43] <ActionPa1snip> patsToms: why not use X forwarding and run the app you need
[10:43] <danley> varunendra, well, the old board broke, I replaced it, the new one had this chipset and ubuntu didn't identify any network device
[10:43] <patsToms> ActionPa1snip, X forwarding?
[10:43] <danley> so I installed the one from realtek
[10:43] <ActionPa1snip> patsToms: it will run the app on the server but display on you client PC
[10:43] <danley> I'm using 12.04 server edition
[10:43] <danley> it's just a little atom as NAS and media server etc
[10:44] <patsToms> ActionPa1snip, thanks about info. Found something online, will try :)
[10:44] <varunendra> danley, did the 8168 work? Because there seems to be a new problem with that particular chip, where none of the drivers work.. (a BIOS reset *sometimes* fixes it)
[10:45] <danley> and it seems to have worked. at least the output of dkms is thumbs up. thanks again varunendra and ActionPa1snip.
[10:45] <danley> it does work with realtek's driver
[10:45] <danley> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[10:45] <varunendra> danley, that's a useful info.
[10:45] <danley> that's the one I have
[10:46] <danley> the driver version I downloaded is 8.036.00
[10:46] <varunendra> danley, the newest one available I guess :)
[10:47] <danley> yup. released on 2013/6/17
[10:48] <varunendra> okkay, gotta try that one again next time :) Thanks danley
[10:49] <danley> varunendra, there, save you 2 seconds of googling: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[10:50] <varunendra> danley, don't worry about the link. I visit there probably 4-5 times a week... for different drivers though.. lol But thanks for your concern.
[10:55] <Tex_Nick> 13.04 ... i've been using the Golden Frog vyprVPN for a couple weeks now ... my ISP connection is 15Mbps, but with VPN enabled the system monitor network monitor sometimes shows about 2.8Mbps ... would that be a true speed ? It seems a lot faster
[10:57] <blazemore> Tex_Nick: You could always use http://speedtest.net
[10:58] <Quest> blazemore,  i can mount it in linux now. but some files that i recently copied to the truecrypt file in linux are lost
[10:59] <nirvana> hello i want to restrict some tools/files from being accessed by certain users, whats the best tool for it?
[11:00] <blazemore> nirvana: Add the restricted users to a group, then use the file manager to restrict that group from accessing the files
[11:02] <Tex_Nick> blazemore: yeah have done that ... but actual DL speeds seem to be about twice as fast as what speakeasy.net/speedtest shows ... kinda an enigma
[11:02] <HurricaneTornado> hello everyone
[11:02] <HurricaneTornado> need some tornadoes
[11:02] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: the OS does that, you have group ownership and individual ownership
[11:02] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: you can put users in groups then give that group the ownership of the folders and files
[11:03] <blazemore> Tex_Nick: Your true speed will depend on the upload speed of the server. What is your actual question here?
[11:03] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: also FYI, there is no single best tool for anything, you have options
[11:04] <nirvana> what if i have 20 tools (e.g: curl,nmap) to not being accessed to 10 users so i grouped them in a restricted group, so lets say i want to allow user A use nmap tool so i just remove him from the group, but that would make him use curl tool and others?
[11:05] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: then set the group ownership to a group, leave the user owner as root, then deny all other users access
[11:05] <HurricaneTornado> i love hurricanes and tornadoes!!!!!!
[11:05] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: make the application be chmodded to 550   (owner and group read and execute and everyone else zero access)
[11:05] <Quest> blazemore,  i can mount it in linux now. but some files that i recently copied to the truecrypt file in linux are lost
[11:05] <ActionPa1snip> HurricaneTornado: please stick to the channe topic
[11:06] <Quest> blazemore,  so thats gone?
[11:06] <blazemore> Quest: Probably; yes. Any reason you're using ntfs?
[11:06] <HurricaneTornado> i dont know wh at the topic is
[11:06] <M4he> Hi everybody! How can I change the terminal which is opened by nautilus-open-terminal ? It defaults to xterm when gnome-terminal isn't installed but I want it to open xfce4-terminal.
[11:06] <ActionPa1snip> HurricaneTornado: ubuntu support, and ONLY ubuntu support
[11:06] <nirvana> ActionPa1snip: i need a reading, any tutorial or docs for that sir? i know i can google, but you know better which one i should read
[11:07] <Quest> blazemore,  yes. have to acces files on both linux and windows. otherwise i prefere ext
[11:07] <HurricaneTornado> what channels are there here?
[11:07] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: look into Linux ACLs and chmod and chown and chgrp
[11:07] <DJones> !alis | HurricaneTornado
[11:07] <ActionPa1snip> !alis | HurricaneTornado
[11:07] <nirvana> ok sir
[11:07] <blazemore> Quest: Fat32 is a bit safer
[11:07] <histo> nirvana: what is the ultimate goal for restricting them?
[11:07] <blazemore> M4he: sudo apt-get install dconf-tools
[11:07] <Quest> blazemore,  it cant have more thatn 4g files
[11:07] <blazemore> M4he: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.terminal exec xfce4-terminal
[11:08] <nirvana> histo: im learning sir, trial and errors
[11:08] <blazemore> Quest: Then always make sure you safely unmount your NTFS volumes when you're finished with them, in both Linux and Windows
[11:08] <histo> nirvana: Well don't allow them sudo access then
[11:08] <Quest> blazemore,  ok
[11:08] <Quest> blazemore,  ok thanks
[11:08] <blazemore> !ntfs | Quest
[11:09] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: if a user has sudo access it will trump anything you do, root can access and do anything at all
[11:09] <blazemore> Oh Quest sorry I thought that like wuld be more useful
[11:09] <nirvana> histo: ah so the easiest way is to restrict the tools to only being access by root
[11:09] <blazemore> *link *would
[11:09] <nirvana> so i dont need to worry about the group thing
[11:10] <Quest> blazemore,  ubuntu already have ntfs-3g
[11:10] <M4he> blazemore: Thanks. This line worked with nautilus 3.4 but it doesn't with 3.6 on 13.04 now
[11:10] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: only people in the sudo group can run admin tasks
[11:10] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: using apt-get to update the OS is an admin task
[11:10] <histo> nirvana: What are the "tools" you are worried about?
[11:12] <nirvana> ActionPa1snip: i know but i want to restrict certain tools, or maybe some modules in python so they cant use em
[11:12] <nirvana> histo: i dont know, maybe telnet
[11:12] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: you can use visudo to control what commands your sudo users can and cannot run, the default is all commands but you can lock them down as you need
[11:13] <histo> nirvana: what's the fear that the users can't use telnet?
[11:13] <nirvana> ActionPa1snip: ill take a look on it
[11:14] <histo> nirvana: sorry let me rephrase.. Why are you trying to restrict access to telnet?
[11:15] <ActionPa1snip> nirvana: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers#Command_Aliases
[11:16] <nirvana> histo: forget the telnet sir lol, for example i got this free public shell, and i use it for download/upload stuff from some file hosting, like download movie and transfer them to dropbox, so i learn it and i know bad users management is dangerous
[11:16] <nirvana> ActionPa1snip: ok
[11:17] <histo> nirvana: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo  Please read and understand this then.
[11:24] <DJHenjin> this is odd, I set up public key authentication on my server successfully a couple weeks ago and disabled password login, It was working fine until as far as i can tell a few minutes ago when I tried to login to SFTP with winSCP with the correct private key
[11:24] <DJHenjin> now I cannot even log in using putty with the correct private key either,
[11:25] <DJHenjin> I get "server refused our key" in the console window in putty, then I get a pop up saying "no supported auth methods available( server sent pub key)"
[11:26] <DJHenjin> this is really really bad as this is a production server, and if I get logged out of the 1 session I have open currently I am screwed
[11:26] <CKLMN> my workspaces are enabled , also super+s works , but ctl+alt+arrow isnt , can anyone help me with thhis /
[11:26] <CKLMN> ??
[11:27] <MonkeyDust> CKLMN  system settings, keyboard, shortcuts
[11:27] <CKLMN> i did it , also i set them , but still doesnt work
[11:27] <usr13> DJHenjin: You know the password(s) to it.  Right?
[11:27] <DJHenjin> usr13: Yes, although I have disabled password based login for more security
[11:28] <CKLMN> MonkeyDust, Switch to workspace below : ctrl+alt+Down
[11:28] <CKLMN> MonkeyDust, also did it for the other 3
[11:28] <ActionPa1snip> DJHenjin: why did you not setup a test box to learn how to setup keys before running on a prod servr?
[11:28] <usr13> DJHenjin: What do you mean, you've disabled password?
[11:28] <CKLMN> MonkeyDust, still doesnt work
[11:28] <trueneu> DJHenjin, the best solution here is to re-enable it at least temporarily until you know what's wrong with your keys.
[11:28] <Andrey_Bolotin> hello)
[11:29] <trueneu> usr13, he means he disabled password-based login through ssh, I bet.
[11:29] <DJHenjin> ActionPa1snip: I disabled password login after I verified public key auth was working
[11:29] <DJHenjin> trueneu: that is correct
[11:29] <ActionPa1snip> DJHenjin: ok thats cool
[11:29] <Andrey_Bolotin> hi!)
[11:29] <Andrey_Bolotin> syki
[11:29] <usr13> DJHenjin: It appears that those keys are no longer "correct".
[11:30] <DJHenjin> I wonder why.
[11:30] <trueneu> DJHenjin, just re-enable it back temporarily and don't leave only one way to access a server. Never. Ever. Then investigate what's wrong with the keys.
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:30] <trueneu> Andrey_Bolotin, there are some Russian speaking people here, would you behave?
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> trueneu  don't give it attention, summertime, more teens online
[11:32] <trueneu> MonkeyDust, ah. Right. Forgot that, thanks.
[11:33] <zatricky> Hey, all. I asked already in #ubuntu-server but it seems its a tumbleweed town ...
[11:33] <zatricky> I updated my personal server at home last night from 12.10 to 13.04 - the upgrade went smoothly except that the new kernel (3.8) doesn't finish booting. There are no clues given except for an error saying "Timed out", and "Dropping to a shell".
[11:33] <zorael> Memory fails me; isn't there a tool in the repos to conveniently tweak package dependencies? Say I want to change a hard dep into a recommends.
[11:33] <DJHenjin> password auth re enabled, now to figure out why my public key auth is screwged
[11:33] <zatricky> The server runs off a 60GB Intel SSD with btrfs - which works without any issue with the previous kernel (3.5)
[11:33] <zatricky> I've done a lot of googling but I'm not seeing much info relevant either to btrfs or simply "Timed out" in relation to the a boot process failure :-/ Is this a known issue perhaps?
[11:34] <catmando> Hey all
[11:34] <trueneu> DJHenjin, does putty provide any kind of verbose log?
[11:34] <dongzi> hello
[11:34] <DJHenjin> no, enabled all logging and all I get is 'server refused out key'
[11:34] <catmando> Trying to get openvpn running, installed openvpn binary via apt-get but getting a 'no such file or directory' from /dev/net/tun
[11:34] <catmando> What am i missing
[11:35] <trueneu> DJHenjin, even better - can you use a *nix box to connect?
[11:35] <catmando> (Yes i am running this from the command line)
[11:35] <trueneu> DJHenjin, for example the same you're connecting to?
[11:35] <DJHenjin> trueneu: No I do not have one available
[11:35] <trueneu> DJHenjin, but you're connected to one right now if I get you right.
[11:36] <DJHenjin> I am connected to the server currently yes
[11:37] <DJHenjin> auth.log states Jul  5 05:31:41 ns5001352 sshd[2008]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /
[11:37] <trueneu> DJHenjin, so use it to connect to itself via ssh with verbose log.
[11:37] <trueneu> DJHenjin, for directory / ?
[11:38] <zatricky> DJHenjin/trueneu: lolwut?
[11:38] <trueneu> zatricky, have no idea.
[11:39] <DJHenjin> ah shite i think i know what happened,
[11:39] <trueneu> I'll blame winSCP even if it's innocent.
[11:39] <zatricky> DJHenjin - what are the perms set to on / ?
[11:39] <zatricky> haha
[11:39] <catmando> No?
[11:39] <catmando> Nothing?
[11:39] <DJHenjin> i can only check perms on folders inside / right?
[11:40] <trueneu> It may be funny, they're usually root:root 755.
[11:40] <DJHenjin> I use EHCP to manage my hosting, And I was trying to setup an FTP account from within EHCP to access everythign inside /
[11:40] <trueneu> You can check permissions on / , it has '.' entry. It's a directory actually.
[11:40] <DJHenjin> it must have fuckered the perms somehow
[11:41] <DJHenjin> inside / everything is root rot drwxr-xr-x except /home
[11:41] <zatricky> root@glick:~# ls -lsd /
[11:41] <zatricky> 0 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 254 Jul  5 00:18 /
[11:41] <zatricky> -d to have it get the directory's info only
[11:41] <zatricky> not the directory content*
[11:41] <DJHenjin> that it did ...
[11:41] <DJHenjin> 4 drwxr-xr-x 24 vsftpd www-data 4096 Apr 27 23:04 /
[11:41] <trueneu> vsftpd www-data
[11:42] <trueneu> And there it is.
[11:42] <zatricky> yeah, that's not right
[11:42] <DJHenjin> all because i wanted a standard FTP account to be able to access /
[11:42] <trueneu> What's EHCP anyway?
[11:42] <DJHenjin> fixed with chown root:root /
[11:43] <DJHenjin> Easy Hosting Control Panel,
[11:43] <ActionPa1snip> DJHenjin: oh man bad idea to give ftp access to anything but it needs, also ftp should die
[11:43] <trueneu> Sounds like phpmyadmin. phpmyadmin sounds like shyte.
[11:43] <DJHenjin> its for managing webhosting, MySQL, DNS server, Email,
[11:43] <ActionPa1snip> phpmyadmin is ok, not great
[11:44] <trueneu> ActionPa1snip is very right about ftp.
[11:44] <DJHenjin> Thanks for the helps
[11:45] <trueneu> NP, you've figured it out yourself in the end.
[11:45] <DJHenjin> using winSCP for sftp since filezilla wont accept my passcoded private key :(
[11:47] <DJHenjin> is that a bad idea?
[11:48] <DJHenjin> also, what would you recommend as a secondary way into the server, I do not like password auth as I have another person who needs access as well
[11:51] <ActionPa1snip> DJHenjin: I'd use ssh with keys
[11:51] <DJHenjin> ActionPa1snip: I do use SSH already, with public key auth,
[11:51] <catmando> So, Ubuntu 12.04, installed openvpn, getting a 'cannot open tun/tap dev' error
[11:51] <catmando> Any ideas?
[11:52] <nbags> catmando: r u root?
[11:52] <catmando> I am
[11:52] <nbags> cat is tap/tun module loaded?
[11:55] <Vinnie_win> So I accepted an update from Ubuntu and restarted, and now the Guest Additions (VirtualBox don't seem to be working quite right, when I resize the Host window the Guest window doesn't resize
[11:56] <circle> trying to install a java plugin for mozilla
[11:56] <histo> Vinnie_win: is ubuntu the guest or the host?
[11:56] <Vinnie_win> histo: Ubuntu is the guest
[11:56] <circle> It wants me to make a symlink to a file called "libnpjp2.so"
[11:56] <circle> but I don't have that file
[11:56] <histo> Vinnie_win: reinstall guest additions
[11:56] <trueneu> Vinnie_win, then... update guest additions?
[11:58] <histo> Vinnie_win: they probably need to be rebuilt for the new kernel you received via update
[12:00] <ActionPa1snip> circle: sudo updatedb; locate libnpjp2.so
[12:00] <catmando> Nbags: how do i install that module, since modprobe tun does not work
[12:00] <ActionPa1snip> circle: why not use the webupd8 java ppa, so much easier
[12:00] <circle> ActionPa1snip: where's that?
[12:00] <ActionPa1snip> circle: on the web
[12:00] <catmando> nbags: also, is that not in the kerrnel now? Surely that should get pulled in by apt-get when i install openvpn
[12:01] <ActionPa1snip> circle: when the PPA gets updated too, the java on your OS will update too
[12:02] <Vinnie_win> histo: Oh....ugh...how do I go back to the previous kernel?
[12:02] <circle> ActionPa1snip: I'm not on ubuntu...I only came here because I can speek here while services are down and I can't in my OS's channel
[12:02] <circle> speak*
[12:03] <zorael> circle: You may be mixing OpenJDK with Sun's java -- see http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=247924
[12:03] <histo> Vinnie_win: press shift key while booting to select the old kernel from the grub menu
[12:03] <ActionPa1snip> circle: this is ubuntu support only
[12:03] <histo> Vinnie_win: or you could just install guest additions and be done with it.
[12:04] <ActionPa1snip> circle: ##linux is distro ambiguous
[12:04] <circle> zorael: ahhh, thank you
[12:06] <circle> zorael: should I remove the other java?
[12:08] <zorael> circle: Try it, see what happens.
[12:09] <circle> zorael: what?
[12:10] <zipy> how can i show external hdd devices in terminal
[12:12] <zorael> circle: As in yes, do remove it, if it doesn't work then you can always reinstall it
[12:13] <jrib> zipy: did you mount them?
[12:14] <zipy> jrib, i have to find them first *g*
[12:14] <zipy> i think i did now with fdisk -l
[12:14] <CaptainQuirk> Hi there ! I'm having an issue with executing a command inside gnome-terminal with -x switch
[12:14] <jrib> zipy: « ls /dev/sd* » ?
[12:14] <CaptainQuirk> The command being launched itself by AT
[12:15] <CaptainQuirk> Paste is here http://pastie.org/8112666
[12:15] <CaptainQuirk> Without the -x switch, everything works fine
[12:15] <nit> hi
[12:16] <kdev> Hello All.
[12:16] <kdev> I hv a problem . How
[12:16] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: maybe you want -e?  What do you actually want to execute?
[12:17] <CaptainQuirk> Another command
[12:17] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: what other command...
[12:17] <CaptainQuirk> well it doesn't matter for the moment actually, it can be a shell script or an existing external command
[12:17] <kdev> How to import svn project into eclipse which is in Dropbox and my path to Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0
[12:17] <CaptainQuirk> something that prints things to stdout anyway
[12:18] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: gnome-terminal -x echo test
[12:18] <CaptainQuirk> can you elaborate on the difference between -e and -x ?
[12:18] <circle> so java's install dir is /opt/java?
[12:18] <circle> that sound right?
[12:19] <kdev> any one help me ?
[12:19] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: -x takes the rest of the arguments as your command.  -e takes the next argument as your command.  This is my understanding.
[12:20] <CaptainQuirk> ok
[12:20] <CaptainQuirk> jrib, the quote must be the problem then ?
[12:20] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: yes, you don't have a command called "echo test" probably
[12:20] <kdev> How to import svn project into eclipse which is in Dropbox and my path to Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0 I have done to this... Expand the SVN folder -> Checkout Projects from SVN Now Problem in the path  file:///Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> kdev  ln -s the project to some place where you can reach it
[12:22] <kdev> the project is in my Dropbox
[12:22] <kdev> i m not getting how to give the path
[12:23] <CaptainQuirk> jrib, doesn't work with no quotes at all
[12:23] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: what did you run
[12:23] <CaptainQuirk> gnome-terminal -x echo test
[12:23] <Magii> Hi
[12:24] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: what do you mean when you say "doesn't work"?  What actually happened?
[12:24] <CaptainQuirk> No terminal was launched
[12:24] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: did you get an error?
[12:24] <CaptainQuirk> nope
[12:24] <bonii> Hi, I have a Lenovo T420. I run xmonad and I am trying to configure my system to run 2 external monitors (one via VGA and other via DVI/Displayport) so that I can run diffrent workspaces on different monitors in xmonad. I dont want to use the display on the Lenovo laptop when I use the external displays. Can someone please point me how can I configure xorg for this setup ?
[12:25] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: are you sure your terminal didn't open, echo test, and then quit very quickly (this is what should happen)?  Why don't you try "nano" instead of "echo test"?
[12:25] <kdev> How to import svn project into eclipse which is in Dropbox and my path to Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0 I have done to this... Expand the SVN folder -> Checkout Projects from SVN Now Problem in the path  file:///Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0  it show error  i m not getting how to give the path
[12:25] <Magii> I have a Acer windows 8 laptop, I want to install ubuntu 13.04 along side it. But when I run the legacy bios ubuntu doesnt reconize windows and when I run uefi my pc doesnt accept the usb boot :/ help me please
[12:26] <MonkeyDust> !uefi | Magii start here
[12:26] <Magii> Ty
[12:27] <MonkeyDust> alis is not available?
[12:27] <kdev> i m trying to sift my development platform to ubuntu . So need ur valuable helps
[12:27] <Faux> There's some kind of services outage at the moment, MonkeyDust.
[12:28] <syntax_error> hello all
[12:29] <Magii> Okay ive read the !uefi but my laptop wont boot my liveusb when I boot in UEFI bootmode
[12:30] <MonkeyDust> kdev  keep it in the channel please, i may be giving erroneous advice and the others must be able to follow, too
[12:30] <DJHenjin> I have a 20 GB / partition on 2 120 GB SSD's in RAID, a 1 GB swap on same, and a 90 GB unused partition also on same, I would like to remove the unused partition and the swap and then resize the / Partition to fill the disks,
[12:30] <Magii> My laptop wont boot my liveusb when its in uefi bootmode
[12:31] <kdev> How to import svn project into eclipse which is in Dropbox and my path to Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0 I have done to this... Expand the SVN folder -> Checkout Projects from SVN Now Problem in the path  file:///Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0  it show error  i m not getting how to give the path
[12:31] <DJHenjin> can anyone offer me advice on the best way to do this with minimal downtime
[12:31] <CaptainQuirk> jrib, I don't get it, I'm trying to open the terminal now, and I don't get anything
[12:32] <kdev> How to import svn project into eclipse which is in Dropbox and my path to Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0 I have done to this... Expand the SVN folder -> Checkout Projects from SVN Now Problem in the path  file:///Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0  it show error  i m not getting how to give the path
[12:32] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: you have to say what you are actually doing, I'm not looking over your shoulder to see the commands you are inputting
[12:32] <CaptainQuirk> The same as on my paste, without the -x switch
[12:33] <CaptainQuirk> at now +1 minute
[12:33] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: make a new pastebin
[12:33] <Gx1sptDTDa> hi.. I downloaded the Ubuntu SDK this morning following standard instructions (http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/) for Ubuntu 13.04. I tried the currency converter tutorial. It works, but colors/backgrounds for buttons are completely messed up (see http://askubuntu.com/questions/316629/qml-button-colors-not-working) . Now I've just noticed that Friends also doesnt boot up, giving 2 errors in terminal when I start friends-ap
[12:33] <Gx1sptDTDa> installing the Ubuntu SDK obviously broke *something*, but what?
[12:33] <Magii> When my laptop is in legacy bios the ubuntu installer doesnt reconize windows, it cant install along side it. When my laptop is in UEFI mode it wont reconize my live usb... Disabling secure boot doesnt seem to work either :/
[12:34] <Magii> When my laptop is in legacy bios the ubuntu installer doesnt reconize windows, it cant install along side it. When my laptop is in UEFI mode it wont reconize my live usb... Disabling secure boot doesnt seem to work either :/
[12:35] <kdev> How to import svn project into eclipse which is in Dropbox and my path to Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0 I have done to this... Expand the SVN folder -> Checkout Projects from SVN Now Problem in the path  file:///Home/Dropbox/SVNDEV2.0  it show error  i m not getting how to give the path
[12:35] <jrib> !repeat | kdev
[12:37] <CaptainQuirk> jrib, http://pastie.org/8112706
[12:46] <mrdeb> hi
[12:46] <mrdeb> what is ahardware monitor
[12:46] <mrdeb> which one
[12:53] <rww> IdleOne: if the +e list has more than 4 entries, you can cut that down too
[12:53] <rww> if you didn't already
[12:53] <CaptainQuirk> jrib, http://pastie.org/8112706
[12:53] <Gx1sptDTDa> hi.. I downloaded the Ubuntu SDK this morning following standard instructions (http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/) for Ubuntu 13.04. I tried the currency converter tutorial. It works, but colors/backgrounds for buttons are completely messed up (see http://askubuntu.com/questions/316629/qml-button-colors-not-working) . Now I've just noticed that Friends also doesnt boot up, giving 2 errors in terminal when I start friends-ap
[12:53] <Gx1sptDTDa> installing the Ubuntu SDK obviously broke *something*, but what?
[12:53] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: does "DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal" work for you outside of at?  i.e. if you just execute it at your shell prompt directly?
[12:53] <grass7boy> hello
[12:53] <grass7boy> i ve fount that
[12:53] <grass7boy> when i press printscreen key
[12:53] <grass7boy> ubuntu 13.04 will capture my screen
[12:53] <grass7boy> i wonder know what program has been execute when i press the PrintScreen key
[12:53] <grass7boy> moreover...  can i launch another program when i press that key?
[12:53] <jrib> CaptainQuirk: does "DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal" work for you outside of at?  i.e. if you just execute it at your shell prompt directly?
[12:53] <CaptainQuirk> jrib, indeed, it doesn't : Failed to connect to the session manager: Could not open network socket
[12:54] <ss_haze> grass7boy, just a tip, use top, htop or gnome-system-monitor, to see which processes you are running in time
[12:58] <Gx1sptDTDa> hi.. I downloaded the Ubuntu SDK this morning following standard instructions (http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/) for Ubuntu 13.04. I tried the currency converter tutorial. It works, but colors/backgrounds for buttons are completely messed up (see http://askubuntu.com/questions/316629/qml-button-colors-not-working) . Now I've just noticed that Friends also doesnt boot up, giving 2 errors in terminal when I start friends-ap
[12:58] <Gx1sptDTDa> installing the Ubuntu SDK obviously broke *something*, but what?
[13:28] <zmoe> change channel
[13:28] <zmoe> ?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> mic1980: copy it to a linux fle system
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> zmoe: thats not a qestion
[13:28] <MOUD> ActionParsnip: can you please provide the command to check for the KDE size to be downloaded?
[13:28] <mic1980> thanks will review
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> MOUD: sudo apt-get install kbounce      You can say NO to simply observe the installed size. Is there not a GTK based app the same?
[13:28] <OerHeks> MOUD, kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso               24-Apr-2013 23:12  928mb
[13:29] <jdoles> How can I change the default file browser to use in Firefox (it opens nautilus, while I want it to use something else)?
[13:29] <MOUD> ActionParsnip: no, I mean download the whole KDE environment
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> MOUD: it will only download what is needed by the app
[13:30] <MOUD> ActionParsnip: ok then, thanks
[13:30] <MOUD> OerHeks: I only wanted to know the KDE environment size (if I want to switch between GNOME and KDE). I'm using Ubuntu 13.04 now
[13:31] <YSTYLE> I'm using debian 7  now
[13:31] <OerHeks> MOUD that depends on your hardware, i guess
[13:32] <zatricky> MOUD also on what builtin applications you might want running/disabled between the two environments
[13:32] <OerHeks> MOUD, i just reinstalled Kubuntu + restricted extra's + vlc + clementine + chromium + updates = 14,1 gb
[13:32] <zatricky> I disabled all the "cool" search features I never used as they took up a chunk of my RAM
[13:32] <MOUD> OerHeks: O.o 14GB is too big
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> MOUD: Id look at a GTK based solution
[13:34] <MOUD> zatricky: good question. I still don't know for sure. I just installed ubuntu and I have a slow internet connection
[13:36] <MOUD> I need to go now, see you ppl later :)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> !info icebreaker
[13:40] <MaurizioB> hello,I'm trying to install 13.04 as guest on a gentoo host using virtualbox, but I have issues with both the installer and the live disc, is there a particular procedure that I should follow?
[13:41] <joy> hi there
[13:41] <xangua> MaurizioB: telling the issues would be one
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> md5 | MaurizioB make sure the iso not corrupt
[13:41] <MaurizioB> sure :)
[13:41] <joy> what is this message means Init: no more processes left in this runlevel
[13:42] <MaurizioB> The first issue I see with the live is that X starts but hangs on compiz, giving an error
[13:42] <MonkeyDust> MaurizioB  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[13:42] <MaurizioB> I'm going to checksum the iso right now
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> MaurizioB: which flavour of 13.04 are you using?
[13:44] <MaurizioB> ok, the checksum is fine
[13:44] <MaurizioB> ActionParsnip: desktop-i386
[13:44] <zteam> Hi all
[13:44] <sebrock> can anyone help me setup a L2TP tunnel? Nothing seems to happen to the tunnel
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> MaurizioB: yes but Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu?
[13:44] <MaurizioB> ubuntu, sorry :)
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> MaurizioB: i'd suggest Xubuntu or Lubuntu in a VM, they are lighter so will impact less on the host
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> idd
[13:45] <blast_hardcheese> What is in charge of filling up /boot/ on ubuntu servers?
[13:45] <zteam> I have a very annoying issue with my Ubuntu 13.04 installation, about half the time then I start my computer the system forget to start up Lightdm
[13:46] <MonkeyDust> MaurizioB  and if you're skilled enough for Gentoo, you may want to try the mini iso, too
[13:46] <MaurizioB> ok. do you know if they differ in the chrome/chromium installation?
[13:46] <zykotick9> blast_hardcheese: kernels perhaps?
[13:46] <MaurizioB> MonkeyDust: I did, I have problems with that too :(
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> MaurizioB: its the same install souce and method
[13:46] <zteam> I'm using Ubuntu on a Kingston SSDNow V300 120 GB with a Gigabyte GA-ma770 DS3 motherboard
[13:46] <MaurizioB> ActionParsnip: thanks
[13:47] <zteam> anyone got some easy fix?
[13:47] <MaurizioB> with the mini install I get a base-installer/kernel/failed-install
[13:47] <luv2dev> @jrib how can i use ubuntu in windows 7 as a dual boot without affecting my files and folder?
[13:47] <blast_hardcheese> zykotick9: Yes, of course. I guess a more direct question would have been "What pedantically installs every available kernel immediately as it comes out?"
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> zteam: you could add to restart lightdm in /etc/rc.local
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> luv2dev: win7 can resize its own NTFS partition
[13:48] <zteam> ActionParsnip, okey, do you think that solve it? :-)
[13:48] <blast_hardcheese> I recognize security and whatnot, but considering that this machine is already behind a firewall (and it doesn't get used very much), it's really annoying
[13:48] <zykotick9> blast_hardcheese: that's normal ubuntu update behaviour.  do you actually "need" a separate /boot?
[13:49] <blast_hardcheese> zykotick9: /boot is 500 megs, that should be more than enough for anything
[13:49] <zykotick9> blast_hardcheese: without a "need" a separate /boot is foolish... good luck.
[13:50] <MaurizioB> Ok, I'm downloading lubuntu
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> zteam: is the OS fully updated
[13:50] <blast_hardcheese> zykotick9: The "need" for /boot/ is so that things like Ubuntu downloading too many kernels doesn't impact the functionality of the rest of the system. I'd much rather have /boot fill up than /.
[13:51] <zteam> ActionParsnip, yesterday it was, but now I see some more updates
[13:53] <zteam> ActionParsnip, doubt the updates fix it, thought this issue has existed from Ubuntu 12.04 as well :-/
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> zteam: worth a try
[13:53] <zteam> ActionParsnip, But I'm of course very grateful for every advice I get :-)
[13:55] <columb> What's the best way to get CS6 working on Ubuntu 13.04?
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> whats CS6?
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> columb: wine, cedega or crossoveroffice
[13:55] <jbroome> columb: run windows in virtualbox
[13:55] <MaurizioB> cs6=photoshop?
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> columb: none is outright best, they are just options#
[13:56] <jbroome> MaurizioB: creative suite 6.  includes more than just PS
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> columb: in future can you use FULL product names, only use defacto acronyms, save confusion
[13:58] <giwrgaras> in the ubuntu install i dont get a 'install alongside windows'. all i get is delete win install ubuntu with 2 subselections, and then an 'other' option'
[13:58] <MaurizioB> jbroome: right :)
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> columb  http://appdb.winehq.org/
[13:58] <giwrgaras> i choose the other, it tells something about partitions and it has lots of file types. fat16,32 and some other strange stuff.
[13:58] <giwrgaras> is there any tutorial on what do i do in this case or anyone can help on this one?
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  select "other"
[13:59] <sebastia> so I'm still on 10.04 LTS and need a newer version of xl2tpd. How can I fix this?
[13:59] <giwrgaras> yeah that wasnt so hard but what then
[13:59] <zteam> ActionParsnip, if I want to try to start lightdm from rc.local do I have to be root?
[13:59] <giwrgaras> 10 file types and i have no idea what are they
[13:59] <xangua> sebastia upgrade to a supported ubuntu version
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> zteam: command in rc.local are ran as root, add the command above the 'exit 0' line
[13:59] <sebastia> xangua: obviously, but that is not an option. I have to stick with LTS
[13:59] <usr13> giwrgaras: You have to decide which partition(s) to use or shrink to provide free space.
[13:59] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  ext4 for ubuntu
[14:00] <giwrgaras> which one do you use?
[14:00] <giwrgaras> ext4?
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> sebastia  you can easily upgrade to 12.04 LTS
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> sebastia: do you have a desktop UI with mouse pointer and nautilus file browser?
[14:00] <usr13> giwrgaras: yes
[14:00] <zteam> ActionParsnip, okey so just "start ligthtdm" then right?
[14:00] <giwrgaras> also when i choose something, it said something else about not having a root
[14:00] <sebastia> ActionParsnip: no this is a server edition, terminal only
[14:00] <usr13> giwrgaras: What size is your hard drive?
[14:00] <giwrgaras> 500gb
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> sebastia  you need /home, / and swap
[14:00] <sebastia> MonkeyDust: policywise I cannot do it
[14:01] <usr13> giwrgaras: So how much did you set aside for Ubuntu install?
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> sebastia  and 10.04 for the desktop is !eol, dead
[14:01] <giwrgaras> 40gb
[14:01] <sebastia> no its not, its LTS to 2015
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> sebastia  for the server
[14:01] <usr13> giwrgaras: How much RAM does this computer have?
[14:01] <sebastia> I have the server, as I wrote
[14:02] <giwrgaras> 4gb
[14:02] <zteam> sebastia, you really should move (or talk to the admin about moving to Ubuntu 12.04)
[14:02] <MonkeyDust> sebastia  great, there's also #ubuntu-server
[14:02] <sebastia> where no one answers ever
[14:02] <usr13> giwrgaras: Make 2 partitions, one 4G swap partition and the rest for /
[14:02] <MonkeyDust> sebastia  maybe because no one has the answer
[14:03] <sebastia> there is no activity of any sort
[14:03] <giwrgaras> file ext4 or swap? cause it also had a swap option
[14:03] <OerHeks> sebastia, upgrading to 1.04 lts does not infringe your policy, and you have newer packages
[14:03] <OerHeks> 12.04*
[14:03] <giwrgaras> also despite all that it asked for a root, and its submenue it had 2 options: dos and windows
[14:03] <giwrgaras> installer or something dont remember exactly
[14:04] <usr13> giwrgaras: one swap partition (un-formatted), the other prtition for /  should be  ext4
[14:04] <nzee> How do I set a password for user 'ubuntu'?
[14:04] <Pici> sebastia: While 10.04 is still supported on the server, it doesn't mean that it gets new packages. You'd either need to build from source or find a PPA to get a newer version of that particular package.
[14:04] <MonkeyDust> nzee  in a live sessio?
[14:04] <MonkeyDust> session*
[14:04] <sebastia> Pici pr can I create a PPA myself?
[14:04] <nzee> MonkeyDust: Yes
[14:04] <usr13> nzee: passswd
[14:04] <Pici> !newppa | sebastia sure
[14:05] <giwrgaras> so ill have 3 partitions: swap unfortmated, ext4 (40gb?) and the existing windows i leave it as is
[14:05] <nzee> usr13: it asks for current unix password. I haven't set any password.
[14:05] <usr13> giwrgaras: correct
[14:05] <sebastia> thanks, I'll look into it...
[14:05] <usr13> nzee: then leave it blank
[14:05] <MaurizioB> nzee: who is asking?
[14:05] <giwrgaras> how many gbs for the swap?
[14:05] <nzee> MaurizioB: passwd asks for current unix password.
[14:05] <usr13> nzee: But I'm not sure how you'd have a user account without a password....?
[14:06] <MaurizioB> leave it empty
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: how much ram do you have
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  but consider creating a separate /home partition, it's easier to fresh install or reinstall afterwards
[14:06] <MaurizioB> just press enter
[14:06] <MaurizioB> (i think, I never used a no password system)
[14:06] <usr13> nzee: Is it that you have forgotten your password?
[14:06] <giwrgaras> i think this is exactly what he recommended
[14:06] <zteam> sebastia, https://launchpad.net/~sdeziel/+archive/ppa/+build/2283159
[14:06] <nzee> MaurizioB: leaving blank gives me "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error"
[14:06] <usr13> !password | nzee
[14:07] <MonkeyDust> nzee  i guess in a live session, you shouldnt need a password
[14:07] <giwrgaras> MonkeyDust a swap partition for the root, the / partition is ext4 file with 40gb alocated to it
[14:07] <giwrgaras> is that what you meant also MonkeyDust?
[14:07] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  no, 10-15 is enough for /
[14:08] <giwrgaras> for the swap?
[14:08] <giwrgaras> how many
[14:08] <nzee> MonkeyDust: once I goto su postgres, how do I then come back to user:ubuntu, it asks for password which I have never set.
[14:08] <usr13> MonkeyDust: He only allocated 40G for the Ubuntu install.
[14:08] <nzee> MonkeyDust: I have just started an EC2 instance running ubuntu
[14:08] <MonkeyDust> ah, missed that part
[14:08] <giwrgaras> so how many  do you suggest
[14:08] <sebastia> zteam: unfortunately i've Amd64
[14:09] <giwrgaras> the swap partition is the main partition that i should alocate more gigs?
[14:09] <usr13> giwrgaras: 40G is not much, (when you have a 500G drive).
[14:09] <usr13> giwrgaras: No
[14:09] <usr13> giwrgaras: 4G is enough
[14:10] <giwrgaras> i just want to test them, and to be honest i dont trust linux for stability issues to do anything more than postgres and browsing the internet
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: go ask Wikipedia which server OS they use....
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  linux is "famed" for its stabilty, it's more stable than the mainstream OS from Redmond
[14:11] <giwrgaras> MonkeyDust crap
[14:11] <giwrgaras> maybe its safe
[14:11] <giwrgaras> maybe its better and cleverly designed
[14:11] <mumpitze1> it is definitely more stable. tons of servers run it
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: go oask ed US Military what OS they use...
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  NASA uses Linux, CERN uses Linux
[14:11] <giwrgaras> and i manage to crashed it 2 times with installing chromium and firefox?
[14:12] <giwrgaras> managed *
[14:12] <giwrgaras> i had a wimu
[14:12] <mumpitze1> google is built on linux
[14:12] <giwrgaras> through windows you know
[14:12] <usr13> giwrgaras: You crashed what?
[14:12] <giwrgaras> i had a wimu
[14:12] <mumpitze1> I kinda doubt you crashed linux
[14:12] <bekks> Whats a "wimu"?
[14:13] <SoP> giwrgaras: being able to crash a linux installation doesnt prove its instability
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: want more examples of big-hitters running Linux..
[14:13] <giwrgaras> an ubuntu version 12.04
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> ?
[14:13] <mumpitze1> bekks: I think he means wubi?
[14:13] <ws2k3> hello when i try to restart my mysql server is gives me the following message Starting MySQL
[14:13] <ws2k3> . * The server quit without updating PID file (/dev/shm/mysqld.pid).
[14:13] <giwrgaras> which i installed through the windows installer
[14:13] <bekks> mumpitze1: AH! :P
[14:13] <asdf__> if a system is unable to crash itself it is limited
[14:13] <Enemtee> wubi is the problem, one of them at least
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  wubi is not a real installation
[14:14] <Enemtee> ubuntu is leaving wubi for the future, i heard
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  that's why you're struggling
[14:14] <Enemtee> at least official support for it
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: wubi is not a good solution
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Penguin-Moves-to-Disney/
[14:14] <giwrgaras> i saw that ActionParsnip
[14:14] <giwrgaras> i strugle for a month now
[14:15] <giwrgaras> i liked it but it was a hellish month
[14:15] <usr13> ActionParsnip: Well, he's doing a real install now, so....
[14:15] <jdoles> How can I change the default file browser to use in Firefox (it opens nautilus, while I want it to use something else)?
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: so i dont get you stability whinge when so many companies use it on lage scale
[14:15] <giwrgaras> maybe they use it only for the 2 3 programs they use and absolutely nothing else
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  get rid of wubi and do a real install, outside that other OS
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: wubi is a horrible thing, do a real install and you'll see its fine, if you want super stability then go for Precise
[14:16] <usr13> jdoles: "it opens nautilus" Define "it"
[14:16] <giwrgaras> do you think that is the reason?
[14:16] <giwrgaras> for my hardships so far?
[14:16] <ws2k3> hello when i try to restart my mysql server is gives me the following message Starting MySQL
[14:16] <ws2k3> . * The server quit without updating PID file (/dev/shm/mysqld.pid).
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  yes
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> ws2k3: have you asked in #mysql as well
[14:16] <jdoles> usr13: when I use "open containing folder".
[14:17] <jdoles> usr13: and "it" was "firefox"
[14:17] <jdoles> usr13: that's why I said "Firefox".
[14:17] <usr13> jdoles: What exactly are you trying to do?
[14:17] <jdoles> Is usr13 a troll?
[14:17] <MaurizioB> ok, I'm trying to install lubuntu
[14:17] <Enemtee> giwrgaras: updating from a wubi-installation is sh*t from experience. do a real install. much better when upgrading kernels/headers (it works) and you get a much faster system.
[14:17] <jdoles> usr13: can you possibly *not* ask such retarded questions?
[14:18] <giwrgaras> yeah, it was also slow
[14:18] <mumpitze1> ws2k3: how did you end your mysql server?
[14:18] <usr13> jdoles: What exactly are you trying to do?
[14:18] <jdoles> I believe I already solved it myself.
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> jdoles: its a fair question. What is 'it'?
[14:18] <jdoles> Just need to test it.
[14:18] <Pici> jdoles: usr13 is one of our best helpers. Maybe if you rephrased your question we'd be able to help better.
[14:18] <Enemtee> giwrgaras: one thing though, 12.04 is good, but not the fastest system, 13.04 is much faster, but not the best overall system
[14:19] <jdoles> ActionParsnip: 1) it didn't need further explanation 2) I even said exactly what I talked about.
[14:19] <giwrgaras> which one do you suggest? (have in mind i allready have 13.04 burned on disc)
[14:20] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, 13.04 should be fine.
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> brb
[14:20] <giwrgaras> i just want it to function and not have any more problems. speed is welcomed :)
[14:20] <Enemtee> giwrgaras: depends on what you prefer and what you do with your computer. if you game, install 13.04, if you work on it, 12.04
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: precise is LTS so supported til April 2017, Raring is only supported til January 2014
[14:20] <usr13> jdoles: We think you are on the wrong track here.  The question you asked is understandable. Give us more details about what it is you are trying to do and we can advise you better.
[14:20] <giwrgaras> yeah but i can upgrade it to a 13.10 or something cant i?
[14:21] <Enemtee> giwrgaras: yes
[14:21] <jdoles> usr13: please just stop talking to me until I ask a question again.
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> Jikan: sure, from 13.04 you can upgrade to 13.04
[14:21] <usr13> jdoles: Ok
[14:21] <jdoles> usr13: and keep in mind that it is your problem solving skills that are flawed.
[14:21] <jdoles> usr13: don't blame the user (i.e. me)
[14:21] <usr13> jdoles: Ok
[14:21] <jdoles> usr13: thank you
[14:22] <mumpitze1> jdoles: good job for getting help in the future this. thanks for letting us know how you feel about people trying to help you
[14:22] <giwrgaras> and the obvious question now: why didnt i get the normal 'installl side by side' option?
[14:22] <Kitt3n> giwrgaras, because there's no other operating system on your hard drive?
[14:22] <giwrgaras> its on the manual of 13.04 and it is also with pictures for clueless guys like me
[14:23] <giwrgaras> it is
[14:23] <usr13> giwrgaras: That's what you are doing.  But you will initially only get that when there is already some free space, or a second hard drive that has no partitions on it yet.
[14:23] <giwrgaras> a windows 8
[14:23] <Enemtee> windows 8....
[14:23] <Kitt3n> Yup.
[14:24] <zteam> sebastia, https://launchpad.net/~sdeziel/+archive/ppa/+build/2283158
[14:24] <sebastia> zteam hey thanks!
[14:26] <giwrgaras> ok so i go now: once again: swap 4gb unformated for root, ext4 50gb for data or whatever
[14:26] <giwrgaras> mayhem
[14:26] <usr13> giwrgaras: What you are headed for is a "dual boot system", which is to say that you will have Ubuntu installed beside MS Windows.  A boot loader called grub will be installed to the MBR that will give you options to boot MS Windows or Ubuntu.
[14:26] <neXyon> hello, I'm trying to learn Korean and would like to find a touch-type trainer for the korean keyboard, but all the programs like ktouch I found don't support Korean, anyone any idea?
[14:27] <SoP> giwrgaras: swap space isnt a data partition, it's an extension of your ram
[14:27] <usr13> giwrgaras: No.  swap is not for root.  The rest is.  ( / is root)
[14:27] <giwrgaras> ah so
[14:28] <usr13> giwrgaras: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough.  (But in your case, you have enough, so....)
[14:28] <usr13> giwrgaras: By "main memory"  I am referring to RAM, (Random Access Memory).
[14:29] <giwrgaras> ok c u in a while then
[14:29] <giwrgaras> and then i get the install side by side?
[14:29] <SoP> giwrgaras: you need a / (root) partition, swap space (extension of your RAM) and possibly a /home partition
[14:29] <usr13> giwrgaras: Yes.  ANd be sure to tell it to let grub boot loader be written to MBR
[14:30] <giwrgaras> SoP i have a ext4 for /home
[14:30] <giwrgaras> and a swap for ram
[14:31] <giwrgaras> 4gb
[14:31] <giwrgaras> if thats what you mean
[14:31] <usr13> giwrgaras: Yes
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: then 4.4Gb for swap
[14:31] <usr13> giwrgaras: 4G for swap partition
[14:31] <giwrgaras> why .4?
[14:31] <SoP> giwrgaras: that's perfect
[14:32] <usr13> giwrgaras: Because that is how much RAM you have.  (It is a good idea to match the swap partition to the size of your RAM).
[14:32] <SoP> what are the main advantages of gpt over mbr? I recently did a fresh install using gpt and found out the hard way my motherboard doesn't support it
[14:32] <usr13> SoP: He has only allocated 40G for the Ubuntu install and so I advised him to just use two partitions, swap and /
[14:33] <giwrgaras> ok i go im very curious to see if ive got better speed and experience from the one i had with wubi
[14:33] <Kitt3n> SoP, GPT is needed for EFI based computers, it also doesn't limit you to 4 primary partitions.
[14:34] <SoP> and what are the disadvantages of logical (extended?) partitions using mbr?
[14:35] <asim> i have just installed unbuntu 12.04 via vmware but having no sound can someone please help me???
[14:35] <cored> hello
[14:35] <cored> I'm getting this error trying to install libxml2 Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main libxml2 i386 2.7.8.dfsg-5.1ubuntu4.1
[14:35] <Kitt3n> SoP, you can have as many partitions as you want inside the extended partition, IIRC
[14:36] <asim> can someone please help me re: sound settings for ubuntu 12.04 ??
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> asim: did you enable sound in the vm settings?
[14:36] <asim> yes
[14:36] <SoP> Kitt3n: yes, but do those partitions have disadvantages compared to "native" primary partitions?
[14:36] <grass7boy> hello, we can set the keyboard shortcut in ubuntu via "gnome-control-center keyboard"
[14:36] <grass7boy> I wonder know if there is a config file that i can modify through command line
[14:36] <grass7boy> I wonder know if there is a config file that i can modify the keyboard shortcut setting through command line
[14:36] <usr13> SoP: A Master Boot Record (MBR) is a special type of boot sector at the very beginning of partitioned computer mass storage devices like fixed disks or removable drives intended for use with IBM PC-compatible systems and beyond. he MBR holds the information on how the logical partitions, containing file systems, are organized on that medium. Besides that, the MBR contains executable code to function as an operating system-independent chain boot loader in conju
[14:36] <Kitt3n> SoP, I don't know :P
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> asim: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[14:38] <SoP> Kitt3n: i was under the impression that gpt was "faster" in some way or another
[14:38] <Kitt3n> SoP, well, EFI is better than MBR
[14:39] <cored> any reason for this?
[14:39] <asim> actually linux is very new for me; can u please guide me how to check it?
[14:39] <SoP> Kitt3n: because it's more modern?
[14:39] <Kitt3n> SoP, you should just google UEFI
[14:39] <usr13> SoP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[14:40] <usr13> SoP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> asim: run the command in a terminal, what is the outputted URL?
[14:42] <SoP> usr13, Kitt3n: right, I see; thanks
[14:42] <darpan> helo
[14:42] <darpan> can u help me please
[14:43] <MaurizioB> darpan: just ask your question :)
[14:43] <darpan> i jus installed ubuntu studio , new to it ... help me regaurding audio setings
[14:43] <darpan> i have m-audio micro usb
[14:43] <asim> can u please tell me how to goto the terminal actually i m running software update in Ubuntu
[14:43] <darpan> i m not geting the ohk
[14:43] <usr13> asim: Ctrl-t
[14:44] <MaurizioB> asim: or ctrl+alt+F1 to F6
[14:44] <mfilipe_> I'm trying to use regexp in the apt-get but I got this: http://pastie.org/8113035 . Anyway, I wanna remove the old linux-images and linux-headers.
[14:44] <MaurizioB> ctrl+alt+F7 to go back to graphic environment
[14:45] <MaurizioB> darpan: what is your problem?
[14:45] <darpan> hmm i have a m-audio micro usb sound card
[14:45] <darpan> i m not geting the drives
[14:45] <usr13> mfilipe: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*list #Start at the top and work down.
[14:46] <darpan> , n now , ardous telin tht jack soundcard is req
[14:46] <draconus> hm what does smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sda do?
[14:46] <usr13> mfilipe: use apt-get
[14:46] <mfilipe> usr13: the packages which I wanna remove I know through: "aptitude search linux-image linux-headers | grep ^i"
[14:46] <draconus> i just saw a colo guy logging into my box and doing that
[14:47] <bekks> draconus: It tries to print out SMART information about /dev/sda assuming it can be accessed as ATA device.
[14:47] <usr13> mfilipe: Then uninstall them.
[14:47] <draconus> bekks just checked that out too, thanks alot for precise reply :)
[14:48] <draconus> bekks i was thinking about device operation mode change etc.
[14:48] <draconus> bekks it feels good to have an OVH sysadmin login to your box and care about your drives :)
[14:48] <darpan> ?
[14:48] <usr13> mfilipe: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*list | pastebinit  #And we will look at the list and may be able to give more specific advise.
[14:48] <ss_haze> hello, I just bought Left For Dead 2 for my ubuntu, I already had beta installations under the hood, but they added killing floor for some reason
[14:49] <draconus> nice nice: disk power-on lifetime: 24684 hours (1028 days + 12 hours)
[14:49] <MaurizioB> darpan: are you sure that your m-audio card is fully supported on linux?
[14:50] <darpan> hmm i have no idea
[14:51] <darpan> i'l have to check out
[14:51] <mfilipe> usr13: http://pastie.org/8113066
[14:51] <DJHenjin> wb usr13
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> asim: CTRL+ALT+T or run terminal from the dash or ALT+f2
[14:51] <mfilipe> I wanna all them except linux-*-3.5.0-36-* and linux-*-3.2.0-49-*
[14:52] <mfilipe> I wanna remove all except linux-*-3.5.0-36-* and linux-*-3.2.0-49-*
[14:52] <ss_haze> mfilipe, why you have multiple kernels installed
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> mfilipe: dpkg -l | grep linux-image | awk {'print$2'} | egrep -v '3.5.0-36|3.2.0-49'
[14:53] <mfilipe> ss_haze: ask the ubuntu kernel team... :P I dunno
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> ss_haze: quite normal n ubuntu
[14:53] <ss_haze> my ubuntu always removes older versions, and I use LTS
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> mfilipe: obviously ignore the metapackages (ones without version numbers in the package name)
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> ss_haze: it doesnt by default
[14:54] <usr13> mfilipe: I would first do,  sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.2*   #That will get rid of the majority of them and simplify the other half of the process.
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> ss_haze: you may use 3rd party apps to clear them out but the postinst of kernels is not to uninstall the old, users gather lots of kernels taking up space
[14:54] <MaurizioB> ActionParsnip: lubuntu installed and working so far! thank you!
[14:54] <mfilipe> from today I'm going to remove the old kernel packages after the updates hehehe
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> MaurizioB: lots lighter, will give a snappier OS< plus no Compiz junk stinking up the place
[14:55] <usr13> mfilipe: But which one are you using now?  uname -r
[14:55] <MaurizioB> yeah, and for web testing purposes is suits fine also
[14:55] <mfilipe> ActionParsnip, usr13: is there some option to remove the old packages automatically?
[14:55] <MaurizioB> thank you so much for the tip
[14:55] <sindri> Ok, I'm still having problem running vsftpd on my server; getting "530 Non-anonymous sessions must use encryption." My config looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5846998/ and my user config like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847003/ any help would be welcome. Thanks!
[14:56] <mfilipe> usr13: 3.8.0 but I don't wanna use it anymore because the nvidia driver doesn't compile in it
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> mfilipe: 3rd party apps can do it for you, otherwise no
[14:56] <usr13> mfilipe: Yea "3.8"  is one problem I see.  There is not 3.8
[14:57] <usr13> mfilipe: 3.8 is not in the list of installed kernels.
[14:57] <Amoz> mfilipe, http://tuxtweaks.com/2010/10/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu-with-one-command/
[14:58] <mfilipe> usr13: because I already removed
[14:58] <Amoz> is that what you want to do?
[14:58] <bekks> draconus: Actually I'd be worried about that ATA :P
[14:58] <usr13> mfilipe: You are using the 3.8 kernel now?
[14:58] <jimi_> Can someone recommend a music app for finding dupes, downloading music art, etc?
[14:58] <maxromanoff> What the best way to Vurtulize windows 8 on Lunix
[14:59] <usr13> mfilipe: You should switch to the kernel you want to keep BEFORE removing the ones you don't want.
[14:59] <blazemore> maxromanoff: Virtualbox
[14:59] <blazemore> jimi_: Banshee
[14:59] <usr13> mfilipe: That's the way I've always done it.
[14:59] <maxromanoff> Thanks
[14:59] <jimi_> blazemore, thanks. Are you the same blazemore from qdb?
[15:00] <blazemore> jimi_: No, but that's where I stole the name from, back in 2007
[15:00] <blazemore> jimi_: I almost certainly have more claim to it now than the original "Track 1 - Unknown Artist" quote source
[15:00] <jimi_> :D
[15:01] <maxisgoogle> Do you need to Defragment Lunix
[15:01] <maxisgoogle> like on Windows
[15:01] <blazemore> maxisgoogle: Short answer - No
[15:01] <Amoz> maxisgoogle, no
[15:01] <maxisgoogle> okay
[15:01] <maxisgoogle> Different File System?
[15:01] <bn`> hi. I have the problem that apt-get, wget (and so on) are very very slow while connecting to a host when I enable ufw (UncomplicatedFirewall). How to solve this?
[15:01] <blazemore> Yes
[15:01] <maxisgoogle> alright make Sense
[15:01] <usr13> maxisgoogle: no, it's done for you on boot-up  (what little that DOES get fragmented, which is not much).
[15:02] <usr13> bn`: pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf
[15:02] <lmat> sudo service sshd    returns no known service.
[15:02] <blazemore> maxisgoogle: There's some interesting information here http://www.howtogeek.com/115229/htg-explains-why-linux-doesnt-need-defragmenting/
[15:02] <lmat> I'm currently ssh ed into this computer that says sshd isn't running. Apparently 'ssh' is running.
[15:02] <blazemore> lmat: Do you have the package "openssh-server" installed?
[15:02] <usr13> bn`: ... and send resulting URL
[15:03] <lmat> blazemore: thanks, just a sec.
[15:03] <happyfac1> Is it possible to suppress headers being output with curl?
[15:03] <blazemore> happyfac1: curl --quiet
[15:03] <jimi_> blazemore, will banshee find songs that are titled incorrectly and rename them? i saw an app like that a while back, i think it was picard or something like that
[15:03] <lmat> blazemore: yes.
[15:03] <blazemore> happyfac1: wait no
[15:03] <blazemore> happyfac1: curl --silent
[15:03] <lmat> blazemore: (I do have openssh-server)
[15:03] <bn`> usr13: the resolving works and ping is not slow
[15:04] <lmat> If I'm understanding correctly, ssh is the client and sshd is the server-side daemon taking client connections.
[15:04] <happyfac1> blazemore: oh I already tried that, I guess it does hide the headers then... doh! thanks
[15:04] <blazemore> lmat: the service is just called ssh though
[15:04] <lmat> If sshd isn't running, it's not possible to ssh to a server.
[15:04] <blazemore> lmat: since ssh client doesn't run as a service
[15:05] <lmat> blazemore: that's confusing. Even more confusing is that I'm reading instructions that say  to run ` # service sshd reload`
[15:05] <blazemore> lmat: Are they instructions for Ubuntu?
[15:05] <lmat> blazemore: But it makes sense. Now what's also confusing is that ssh_config has "Port 22" in it.
[15:05] <lmat> blazemore: no.
[15:06] <blazemore> lmat: The distro they're aimed at probably names the ssh server service "sshd" instead of Ubuntu's "ssh"
[15:06] <mfilipe> usr13: yes
[15:06] <Azjo> hi, anyone interested in tour de france, and has android? :) need some specific help.
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> Azjo: how is that Ubuntu related?
[15:06] <lmat> blazemore: ah, thanks for clearing that up. It's OpenBSD
[15:06] <mfilipe> usr13: you don't need do that because the kernel is in memory now
[15:06] <blazemore> lmat: I would expect ssh_config to have "Port 22" in it, since that is the file which defines the default settings for the ssh client
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> Azjo: please try in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:06] <mfilipe> problably it will be instable but your computer will work
[15:06] <lmat> So, a line like  "   Port 32057" daesn't have any effect in ssh_config, ja?
[15:06] <blazemore> lmat: It's just saying "by default, try to connect to hosts on port 22"
[15:06] <lmat> blazemore: oh, okay.
[15:06] <DJones> Azjo: I think there is a ##android channel
[15:06] <Azjo> meh, only 190 users in there
[15:06] <lmat> blazemore: You're helping a lot. I'll get back to work now :)
[15:07] <mfilipe> ActionParsnip, usr13: this works!!!! $ sudo apt-get remove 'linux-(image|headers)-3.5.0-(3[0-2]|2[0-9])'
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> Azjo: so?
[15:07] <blazemore> lmat: If you're trying to configure your ssh SERVER have a look in /etc/sshd_config
[15:07] <Azjo> i just went here cos there is most people here ;)
[15:07] <Pici> Azjo: And this channel is for Ubuntu support only.
[15:07] <mfilipe> but I have to do that for each branch
[15:07] <blazemore> !ot | Azjo
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> Azjo: ts offtopic here, population is moot
[15:07] <DJones> Azjo: There may be more people here, but the channel is for Ubuntu support
[15:07] <lmat> blazemore: thanks thanks!
[15:07] <Azjo> sry, had to try ;)
[15:07] <usr13> mfilipe: Good.  So look and see what you have left.
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> mfilipe: nice regexing :)
[15:08] <usr13> mfilipe: So are you keeping 3.5.0-36 ?
[15:08] <Azjo> yep.. #android is dead as usual :/
[15:10] <usr13> Azjo: They're probably all playing with their phones  ;)
[15:10] <ss_haze> angry birds trololo
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> Azjo: try #ubuntu-offtopic or ##club-ubuntu
[15:11] <ahmed_> hi plz ..i want to install whosthere on ma ubuntu 12.04 and i used terminal but it didnt work....can you help plz?
[15:11] <giwrgaras> ok i installed my ubuntu 13.04 but when i logged in i received a warning that a file was missing
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> ahmed_: how do you mean 'didnt work'....?  details please
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> ahmed_: we havent seen you install the software so you kinda have to fill us in
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> !info whosthere precise
[15:12] <ahmed_> it say unable to download ..its unlocated
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> ahmed_: its not in precise's repos
[15:13] <foolove> I have a windows hard drive and a ubuntu hard drive i want to setup grub to boot one or the other but not format the disk how can i do this?
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> !info whosthere quantal
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> !info whosthere raring
[15:13] <giwrgaras> what are the first things to do with a new ubuntu?
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: run full updates
[15:13] <ahmed_> am sorry am new user ubuntu
[15:13] <giwrgaras> where do i run them
[15:13] <Marion> I hope someone can help me, but if this isn't the right place for this question, maybe point me in the right direction … vagrant/puppet lamp VM … In my VM, dir /etc/apache2/sites-enabled has 2 files, 000-default and 1-marion.conf  How do I know which one is used?  I'm setting env vars in 1-marion.conf, and they aren't set in VM
[15:14] <blazemore> giwrgaras: It's a subjective question, but there's an article here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-13-04
[15:14] <Ubuncat> Hello! I'd like to be reassured of some concerns with the Unity8 work in progress ... It seems to be targetted toward Touch devices, but will there be an interface for Desktops or will it become a 'corner and mouse hell' like another operating system I won't name?
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: software centre
[15:14] <blazemore> Marion: Both are used; they are loaded in alphabetical order (000-default first in this case)
[15:14] <ahmed_> dont understand
[15:14] <gotwig> how can I install qt quick 2 in ubuntu
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> ahmed_: the package name 'whosthere' is not a thing...
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> ahmed_: https://launchpad.net/whosthere   "This is discontinued."
[15:15] <ahmed_> so what i can i do ?
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> ahmed_: find an alternative is my suggestion
[15:15] <giwrgaras> do i need the software updater?
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: sure, then get fully updated
[15:16] <ahmed_> ok thnx
[15:16] <giwrgaras> it issued me at the beggining an error
[15:16] <Pici> !who
[15:16] <Ubuncat> I'm guessing this is not the right channel for my question then?
[15:17] <giwrgaras> i didnt managed to write it down, how can i find more
[15:17] <giwrgaras> something was missing a / something
[15:17] <Pici> Ubuncat: #ubuntu-touch *might* be a better place to ask
[15:17] <giwrgaras> partition thing i guess
[15:17] <DJones> Ubuncat: Probably not, maybe try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[15:17] <ActionParsnip> ahmed_: https://answers.launchpad.net/whosthere/+question/231055
[15:17] <usr13> giwrgaras: That's not much of a clue
[15:18] <lmat> blazemore: Thanks again, netstat reports that everything seems to be working smoothly.
[15:18] <usr13> giwrgaras: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  #From a terminal window and see what happens.
[15:18] <lmat> I am continually astounded why Windows servers still exist. They're so opaque and hard to configure...
[15:18] <blazemore> lmat: Great :)
[15:19] <giwrgaras> sudo apt-get upgrad for what?
[15:19] <lmat> giwrgaras: To upgrade everything :D
[15:19] <jgcampbell300> hello ... i was thinking of installing terminal multiplexer on xubuntu ... can anyone recommend a better multiplexer or is that the best one
[15:19] <zipy_> does lvm support raid 0?
[15:19] <djono> hello all. is there a nice app that will transfer large file sizes to usb?
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> jgcampbell300: screen or tmux are both great
[15:19] <zipy_> sry raid 1 i meant
[15:19] <usr13> djono: cp
[15:20] <djono> cp?
[15:20] <nio707> hello all i have a small question about apt-get or dpkg. when i issue the command to install some application it downloaded the deb package where does it is downloaded
[15:20] <giwrgaras> how do i search for a program to download from sudo? sudo apt-get firefox?
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> nio707: /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: sudo apt-get install firefox
[15:20] <usr13> nio707: when you issue what command?
[15:20] <xangua> giwrgaras: firefox is already installed in ubuntu
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> xangua: sadly
[15:21] <giwrgaras> yeah i know just asking. but what if 'firefox' is not the exact name?
[15:21] <zipy_> i think he wants so search the repo for sth
[15:21] <xangua> ActionParsnip: has gotten better :)
[15:21] <djono> usr13 cp?
[15:21] <jgcampbell300> ActionParsnip, ya i was reading up on Byobu, tmux, and terminal multiplexer ... just not sure witch to go with lol
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: you can use:  apt-cache search name
[15:21] <usr13> giwrgaras: apt-cache search <key-word-here>
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: or use software centre
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> jgcampbell300: try them all, see which suits you
[15:22] <kalakj> hello everyone, i am using ubuntu 12.04 and i got this error everytime, after 10-15 min. of login
[15:22] <jgcampbell300> ActionParsnip, will they conflict at all ?
[15:22] <kalakj> The login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer.
[15:22] <blazemore> I use Screen cos I'm old-school like that: plus, my needs are extremely simple and I already know how to use it
[15:22] <usr13> giwrgaras: Yea, as ActionParsnip points out, software centre may be a bit more user friendly, but you can do it either way.
[15:22] <giwrgaras> i think ill try to learn the terminal maybe its worth it
[15:22] <ActionParsnip> jgcampbell300: no, you will run them ni a terminal as you need them
[15:22] <blazemore> kalakj: That's not an error, that's by design
[15:22] <usr13> giwrgaras: Oh, it's worth it.
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: it is worth it but if the OS is new to you I' use the GUI til you feel confident
[15:23] <giwrgaras> can i find the system properties something like cmds systeminfo? and what are the programs installed?
[15:23] <jgcampbell300> ActionParsnip, ahh ... ok thanks for the info ... i been learning to use screen but i am trying to work with several terminals at once
[15:23] <zipy_> kalakj, if u dont need ur old keyring anymore u can simply create a new one
[15:23] <bekks> giwrgaras: dpkg -l lists your installed software packages
[15:23] <jimi_> Anyone know how to mount mtp devices, like my android phone
[15:24] <kalakj> blazemore: i do not want it´;and i do not want it to appear as well
[15:24] <blazemore> kalakj: Do you have automatic login?
[15:24] <xangua> jimi_: i just plug in
[15:24] <giwrgaras> great
[15:24] <kalakj> blazemore: i use my finger print to autnenticate
[15:25] <usr13> giwrgaras: ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list will show you the list in the order they are installed, (newest last).
[15:25] <blazemore> kalakj: http://askubuntu.com/questions/68292/how-to-auto-unlock-keyring-manager
[15:25] <jimi_> xangua, i dont think ubuntu has mtpfs support out of the box.. i think you need a fs package, etc.. im looking into it now
[15:25] <kalakj> blazemore: also it appear, even if i supply pass. via keyboard
[15:25] <kalakj> blazemore: let me seee it
[15:25] <xangua> jimi_: but it looks like my external sd is not read
[15:26] <MaurizioB> have to go, thanks for your help everybody
[15:26] <blazemore> jimi_: What version of mtp?
[15:26] <blazemore> jimi_: of Ubuntu rather
[15:26] <DJones> jimi_: Are you using an older version of Ubuntu? The drivers were updated in 13.04 and I've not had any issues connecting my Galaxy S3
[15:26] <jimi_> DJones, im running 12.04
[15:26] <blazemore> jimi_: I don't know if 12.04 has proper MTP support
[15:27] <DJones> jimi_: Before 13.04 it was very hit & miss, I tried gMTP but it wasn't that successful, I ended up installing Airdroid on the phone and connecting via wifi using a web browser
[15:27] <blazemore> jimi_: In fact I'm pretty sure it was rubbish before 13.04
[15:27] <blazemore> jimi_: I ended up installing an SSH server on my phone and mounting it in nautilus
[15:27] <PhantomPhreak53> When I do apt-get dist-upgrade, it no longer shows kernels but I know there is new kernels available? What is the package I install to restore this function
[15:28] <blazemore> PhantomPhreak53: How do you know there are new kernels available? What kernel are you currently on?
[15:28] <blazemore> brb all
[15:28] <jrib> PhantomPhreak53: what ubuntu version?
[15:29] <PhantomPhreak53> 12.04
[15:29] <jrib> PhantomPhreak53: dpkg -l '*linux-image*'
[15:29] <zipy_> jimi_,  use go-mtpfs to mount android
[15:29] <PhantomPhreak53> and currently on 3.2.0-43
[15:29] <PhantomPhreak53> I have another box with the exact same setup and it's on -49
[15:29] <zipy_> but its not in ubuntu repos
[15:30] <PhantomPhreak53> This happened to me once before and I just had to install linux-security
[15:30] <PhantomPhreak53> or something
[15:30] <PhantomPhreak53> I forget
[15:30] <jgcampbell300> what do you guys think about Terminator
[15:30] <zipy_> the movie? x)
[15:30] <jrib> PhantomPhreak53: pastebin the output of that command
[15:30] <kalakj> blazemore: i tried this method, but it is not working for me, i have done all this but default option is not appearing for me, in passwords and keys window
[15:30] <jimi_> blazemore, i can just apt-get distupgrade to go to 13.0 right?
[15:31] <kalakj> i have passwords: login option
[15:31] <kalakj> and i did the same in this
[15:31] <kalakj> i also tried seahorse
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> jimi_  use do-release-upgrade to go to the next version
[15:31] <zipy_> kalakj, http://askubuntu.com/questions/867/how-can-i-stop-being-prompted-to-unlock-the-default-keyring-on-boot
[15:32] <DJones> jimi_: Bear in mind you'll have to go through 12.10 before you can upgrade to 13.04
[15:32] <jimi_> MonkeyDust, I tried that 'no new releases found'
[15:32] <kalakj> zipy let me see it
[15:32] <jimi_> DJones, i am in 12.10.. not sure why i said 12.04 earlier
[15:32] <zipy_> jimi_,  use go-mtpfs to mount android
[15:32] <DJones> jimi_: ok :)
[15:32] <zipy_> but its not in ubuntu repositorys
[15:33] <Faiyaz> need help with passphrase promt, everytime i do git push, I am asked to put the passphrase, how can i make the ssh-agent do this automatically
[15:34] <jimi_> MonkeyDust, shouldn't it show a couple versions?
[15:34] <jgcampbell300> anyone know how to get rid of all the flooding in xchat
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> jimi_: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mount-nexus-4-on-ubuntu
[15:34] <DJones> !quietxchat | jgcampbell300
[15:34] <jimi_> ActionParsnip, thanks, looking now
[15:35] <vsilv> hey if I install directly with github, how can I use the programm via console from everywhere?
[15:35] <jgcampbell300> ty
[15:35] <sindri> Ok, I'm still having problem running vsftpd on my server; getting "530 Non-anonymous sessions must use encryption." My config looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5846998/ and my user config like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847003/ any help would be welcome. Thanks!
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> sindri: ask in #vsftpd too
[15:37] <blazemore> sindri: possibly also ask in #ubuntu-server although that channel is slower
[15:37] <sindri> ActionParsnip: done that, seems that channel is pretty dead - last time I asked there it took two days
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> sindri: nice :(
[15:37] <zipy> sindri i would prefer to use ssh for sftp ;)
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> ftp must die
[15:37] <giwrgaras> this gnu emacs editor can run as a python ide?
[15:37] <giwrgaras> do you know?
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: sure, pyton code is just text, why not
[15:38] <blazemore> giwrgaras: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PythonProgrammingInEmacs#toc2
[15:38] <blazemore> giwrgaras: I googled "emacs as a Python IDE" and clicked the first result
[15:38] <giwrgaras> youre talented
[15:39] <blazemore> Thanks
[15:39] <kalakj> zipy: thanks, i think it has been solved
[15:39] <trueneu> I use 'Emacs for Python', blazemore.
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> blazemore: takes a lot of talent to click the first link, I usually slip and hit the 3rd
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> blazemore: wish I was awesome :)
[15:40] <blazemore> ActionParsnip: Yeah it took practise to get this good
[15:40] <kalakj> if problem appear again, there is ubuntu community to help us
[15:40] <carl__> Hello, Im having an issue with my mouse.
[15:40] <trueneu> ActionParsnip, for me it's fourth. And 90% chance of porn there...
[15:40] <MonkeyDust> if everything else fails, join #ubuntu
[15:40] <blazemore> carl__: What's wrong with it?
[15:40] <carl__> The buttons work for a few seconds, then stop working and I have to unplug it and plug it back in.
[15:41] <blazemore> carl__: Are you on a laptop?
[15:41] <carl__> No, Im on a desktop.
[15:41] <carl__> Its a RAT 9 Wireless.
[15:41] <trueneu> carl__, wired / wireless ?
[15:41] <trueneu> I think it may be a module issue.
[15:41] <blazemore> carl__: sudo apt-get remove laptop-mode-tools perhaps ?
[15:41] <Reacto> In Windows, if you put the sensitivity to the 6th point you'll get close to little interference from Windows itself when it comes to sensitivity, any way to get this in Ubuntu too?
[15:42] <ActionParsnip> carl__: are there any bugs reported?
[15:42] <blazemore> carl__: I found this http://neogeek83.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/rat-9-mouse-in-ubuntu-1104.html
[15:42] <carl__> How do I look for errors?
[15:42] <ActionParsnip> carl__: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=RAT+9+mouse+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb   couple videos there, have you tried those?
[15:42] <carl__> Its hard to navigate when your mouse is not working.
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> carl__: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ScDa8Qqqgc
[15:43] <blazemore> carl__: Do you have a different mouse you can use in the meantime?
[15:43] <carl__> This is my only mouse.
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> carl__: true, ALT+TAB and ALT+SHIFT+TAB are your friends
[15:44] <kylepotts> has anyone tried using a usb video card in Linux?
[15:44] <adamk> Probably someone somewhere has.
[15:44] <whoever> kylepotts: what, that even exists
[15:45] <cantelope> Hello Ubuntu, can anyone help clarify the implications of skipping partition tables and partitioning as a whole? Googling the topic shows that there is much disagreement and misinformation since the majority of results said "you MUST have a partition before you can format with a filesystem" I know this isn't true because currently have an EXT4 laid out on a raw block device.
[15:45] <kylepotts> adamk: yep they do.
[15:45] <adamk> kylepotts: Yes, I know they do.
[15:45] <whoever> kylepotts: so do you have one ?
[15:45] <ActionParsnip> cantelope: its a good thing to partition, also remember the target audience of Ubuntu
[15:46] <blazemore> carl__: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak; wget http://rory.sh/files/mousepatch -O - | sudo tee -a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> cantelope: yes, its not absolutely needed but partitioning makes the storage more sane
[15:46] <kylepotts> whoever: no, I am wondering if anyone here had tried one with worked, or at least knew of one with opensouce drivers
[15:46] <blazemore> carl__: And then reboot
[15:47] <bekks> blazemore: carl__: No need to reboot - just restart the login manager.
[15:47] <blazemore> carl__: That's true ( bekks will logging out and in do it, if you're the only logged-in user?)
[15:47] <bekks> blazemore: Yes.
[15:48] <cantelope> ActionParsnip: Running on Ubuntu Server 10.04 and not sure where else to ask. I figured it would make growing easier since I won't have to expand both the partition and FS. I see strange things when I look at the block devices using 'lshw' and that made me wonder if there are any other caveats to not having a partition (other than only being able to have one FS - that is what I want)
[15:48] <carl__> No such file or directory.
[15:48] <blazemore> I like Linux Mint's way: hitting ctrl-alt-backspace once does nothing, but twice quickly will restart X the old fashioned way
[15:48] <blazemore> carl__: run "sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf" first
[15:49] <whoever> kylepotts: check out the iogear vga usb
[15:49] <carl__> No such file or directory.
[15:49] <blazemore> carl__: Well, try "gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and then paste the contents of http://rory.sh/files/mousepatch into it
[15:50] <carl__> The Xorg.conf doesnt exists it seems
[15:50] <blazemore> I'm reminded of XKCD 963 :)
[15:51] <ahow628> Would someone have a minute to help me troubleshoot? I tried googling my problem, but came up with nothing.
[15:51] <blazemore> ahow628: What's your problem?
[15:51] <carl__> I cant save the file, it says the directory does not exist.
[15:51] <jgcampbell300> can anyone tell me if i have to use screen commands in side of Terminator or does it happen on its own ?
[15:52] <blazemore> carl__: You are using the correct capitalisation? abc is not the same as ABC
[15:52] <ahow628> blazemore: I am using Ubuntu 12.04.2 live usb on my Chromebook and wireless, trackpad, X, etc work fine. After I install, none of them work.
[15:52] <blazemore> carl__: If you are, then try "sudo mkdir /etc/X11" first
[15:52] <blazemore> ahow628: Which Chromebook?
[15:52] <ahow628> CR-48
[15:53] <whoever> kylepotts: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2OCKRh-3ko
[15:53] <MonkeyDust> is that ARM?
[15:53] <ahow628> blazemore: I had it installed before, then upgraded to 13.04 and it would take multiple reboots to boot up.
[15:53] <MonkeyDust> ahow628  is that ARM?
[15:53] <ahow628> I believe so. I had 12.04 installed when it first came out, so I know it should work. Maybe I did use arm, but I don't think so.
[15:54] <MonkeyDust> ahow628  is this useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[15:54] <blazemore> ahow628: How about this? http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/chrubuntu-one-script-to-rule-them-all_31.html
[15:54] <carl__> Okay, lets see if that worked. Seems better so far.
[15:54] <whoever> kylepotts: are you going to try to use this with your box or a rasbarry pi
[15:55] <ahow628> I can boot amd64 live usb and it works fine. I can install amd64 and it boots, but trackpad is broken, wireless is broken, and the resolution is 800x600.
[15:55] <nzee> what does this command do? "sudo su - postgres"
[15:55] <bekks> nzee: It uses sudo to become "postgres" user.
[15:55] <blazemore> nzee: changes you to be the "postgres" user
[15:55] <t0k3> joint gurkensalat
[15:56] <t0k3> join gurkensalat
[15:56] <carl__> I think that its working righ tnow. :)
[15:56] <blazemore> carl__: Great :)
[15:56] <t0k3> join #gurkensalat
[15:56] <carl__> Thank you. :)
[15:56] <blazemore> t0k3: /join #gurkensalat
[15:56] <ahow628> Sorry, my mistake, it is not ARM, it is Atom.
[15:56] <t0k3> thx
[15:56] <nzee> bekks: does it create a new user "postgres", if yes what is its password so that I can enter again?
[15:57] <blazemore> nzee: It won't create the user if the user doesn't already exist. It only will switch to an existing user
[15:57] <giwrgaras> autocomplete in terminal isnot working?
[15:57] <cantelope> ActionParsnip: I also just discovered this and am not sure if it actually means anything. On the same system, I have another md block device which DOES have GPT but gdisk gives this scary output about it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847183/
[15:57] <carl__> Okay, so I installed GLX Dock, how do I get rid of the task bar to the right?
[15:58] <t0k3> what  i don't get is why does not every irc client automatically insert the # before the channel?
[15:58] <nzee> blazemore: is there a way to get its password?
[15:58] <blazemore> nzee: you can't get the password, but you can change it
[15:58] <blazemore> nzee: "sudo passwd postgres"
[15:59] <ahow628> blazemore: It is like the drivers for wireless, trackpad, and X are there for the live usb, but then they disappear during install or they try to switch to non-functioning drivers
[15:59] <iceroot> nzee: please remember that the postgresql user is not a local system-user
[15:59] <iceroot> nzee: i am talking about the database user itself
[16:00] <nzee> iceroot: ok
[16:00] <ahow628> blazemore: also I don't think I need that chrubuntu script because I've completely gotten rid of the chromeos partitions and only have ubuntu installed.
[16:01] <lovetokill> hello
[16:01] <carl__> Well, at least I have got my mouse working now. :)
[16:02] <nzee> blazemore: "sudo passwd postgres" asks for "[sudo] password for postgres: " what do I enter?
[16:02] <blazemore> nzee: Not as postgres, as your normal user
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> nzee: you need to su to your own user first, then run the command to set to password of the user
[16:05] <iceroot> nzee: sudo passwd psotgres is asking your YOUR userpassword after that it will ask for a new postgres password
[16:05] <iceroot> nzee: sudo is always asking for the userpassword for the person which is calling sudo
[16:06] <beandog> You don't need sudo to get in postgres
[16:06] <beandog> psql -U postgres template1
[16:06] <nzee> blazemore: ActionParsnip iceroot Thanks, it worked. Had to change the user and it worked.
[16:06] <iceroot> nzee: but again postgres is not a normal system-user it is a database user (imo)
[16:06] <geri> hi
[16:08] <export> hi geri do you need any help or have any questions? if so go ahead and ask and if anyone can help i'm sure they will
[16:09] <blazemore> iceroot: no, if you install postgresql server on Ubuntu, it runs as its own system user
[16:09] <geri> i can not run any update from any mirror using sudo apt-get update....but i can ping them   .... it just stops here: 0% [Connecting to mirrors.mit.edu (18.7.29.125)] [Connecting to extras.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.33)]  ... any ideas?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> geri: switch to the main update server
[16:10] <giwrgaras> i cannot access my windows!! why is that? it automatically loads ubuntu
[16:10] <geri> which one?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: run:   sudo update-grub   do you see windows mentioned
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  press esc to enter the grub menu
[16:10] <giwrgaras> and it doesnt have an option for dual boot?! i hope it didnt delete the other
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> geri: THE main update server, its selectable in software centre
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> geri  if you can reach the ip aadress, but not the url, it may be a dns issue
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: still not given the output of my command....
[16:10] <giwrgaras> it did something
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: use http://pastie.org to host (or similar)
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[16:11] <geri> monkeydust same issue: sudo apt-get update 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.92.202)] [Connecting to extras.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.33)]
[16:11] <giwrgaras> well i have no other os1! so yes
[16:11] <geri> mokeydust i can ping them all
[16:11] <MonkeyDust> geri  can you ping google.com ?
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: also add to the paste: sudo fdisk -l
[16:12] <geri> ping archive.ubuntu.com PING archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.92.201) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from urayuli.canonical.com (91.189.92.201): icmp_req=1 ttl=36 time=167 ms
[16:12] <geri> mokeydust
[16:12] <MonkeyDust> geri  ok
[16:12] <geri> any idea?
[16:12] <trueneu> iptables or anything blocking outgoing connections?
[16:13] <MonkeyDust> geri  as ActionParsnip suggested, a different server, maybe
[16:13] <geri> mokeydust i already tried 5 different servers
[16:13] <giwrgaras> http://pastie.org/8113231
[16:13] <geri> all same issue
[16:13] <dojha00> Hey guys, can u plz help me with --- today i was trying to install ubuntu 12.04 in my compaq laptop and it's got stuck at "kernel panic- not syncing: Out of memory and no killable processes... bla bla bla and then  panic occurred, switching back to text console".. plz.
[16:13] <giwrgaras> i did absolutely what youve told me to and i didnt check it to delete any other os!!
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: there is no NTFS partition there, did you use Wubi?
[16:13] <giwrgaras> 'select other i chose'
[16:14] <giwrgaras> no from disc
[16:14] <giwrgaras> a normal install
[16:14] <giwrgaras> a normal 'other' install
[16:14] <geri> mokeydust...?
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: then you will need to recover data using backups
[16:14] <MonkeyDust> dojha00  first on my mind: it's 64bit ubuntu on 32bit hardware, or the iso may be corrupt
[16:15] <giwrgaras> motherfucking piece of shit
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> dojha00: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[16:15] <giwrgaras> thats for a nice friday afternoon
[16:15] <holstein> !language | giwrgaras
[16:15] <MonkeyDust> geri  no further advice, repeat the issue every 10-15 minutes or so, in one line
[16:15] <asim> i m having sound / audio issues with my newly installed ubuntu 12.04 via vmware can someone please help me???
[16:15] <trueneu> geri, do you have iptables or anything else that may block outgoing connections running?
[16:15] <bekks> giwrgaras: Thats sounds like "I diont have backups, since my data was too worthless for taking a backup".
[16:15] <export> giwrgaras: you formatted your hard drive...we didn't do it.
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> asim: if you can run the command I gave earlier, it will help
[16:16] <holstein> giwrgaras: the installer gives the option to wipe the drive.. did you have backups?
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> asim: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:16] <giwrgaras> sounds like 'well yeah ' that would be an easy one like with windows'
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> asim: run that in a terminal, what is the URL generated please
[16:16] <dojha00> #MonkeyDust nope it's not that problem before i had the same OS installed but after that someone accessed my laptop and deleted the drive in which ubuntu was installed and after that again i tried to install same OS(ubuntu 12.04) and it's showing error.
[16:16] <geri> trueneu i use a proxy server
[16:17] <bekks> giwrgaras: A backup concept thats needs your OS to be operational to recover data - is not worth even thinking about it.
[16:17] <trueneu> Could it be the problem then, geri?
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> geri: did you tell apt-get to use a proxy useing apt.conf ?
[16:17] <giwrgaras> youre a clever one arent you?
[16:17] <giwrgaras> were talking about a simple os install not rocket science
[16:17] <MonkeyDust> dojha00  maybe there is some configuration that hasnt been deleted well
[16:18] <giwrgaras> but its so crippled that it fucked up from the beggining
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: did you resize your NTFS partition at some point?
[16:18] <giwrgaras> god
[16:18] <holstein> giwrgaras: look at the drive, and see what partitions are there.. and please watch your language
[16:18] <geri> actionparsnip no i did not
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> geri: thats why it wont connect then?
[16:18] <holstein> giwrgaras: the volunteers here understand how frustrated you must feel.. but please try and be cooporative
[16:19] <giwrgaras> if i chose 'YEAH DELETE WIN' then you know i wouldnt mention
[16:19] <export> giwrgaras: was there any important information on your hard drive? or was it just windows?
[16:19] <h00k> giwrgaras: also, please keep the language appropriate in here as well
[16:19] <holstein> giwrgaras: look and confirm that the window partition is there or not
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: did you resize your NTFS partition at some point?
[16:19] <geri> actionparsnip cant i enter the proxy into .bashrc ?
[16:19] <giwrgaras> it was there
[16:19] <giwrgaras> saw it didnt touch it
[16:19] <giwrgaras> gone to 450000 value at some time
[16:19] <blazemore> giwrgaras: Have you tried running "sudo update-grub" ?
[16:19] <iceroot> blazemore: ok didnt know that with the postgres user, thank you
[16:20] <blazemore> geri: You can, but then it'll only work for the user whose .bashrc you've edited. That might be fine though; it's probabl what I'd do
[16:20] <giwrgaras> yes i did it
[16:20] <geri_> ActionParsnip cant i enter the proxy into bashrc?
[16:20] <giwrgaras> http://pastie.org/8113231#10
[16:20] <dojha00> sorry got something important to do will be back soon. :(
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> geri: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847260/
[16:20] <blazemore> giwrgaras: And when you enter the Grub menu by holding Shift during boot, does the entry for Windows show up>
[16:21] <giwrgaras> no ive got no idea that i had or have to hold shift
[16:21] <excesseye> :quit
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: you needed to resize your NTFS in order to install Ubuntu, Win Vista and later can do this in Windows
[16:21] <excesseye> :q
[16:21] <export> hey could it be just a missing entry? idk tbh things look bleak but maybe?
[16:21] <geri_> actionparsnip arent there some global proxy settings in bashrc?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> geri: that's mine, change it to yours obviously
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> geri: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/apt.conf
[16:22] <giwrgaras> sorry but what you told me?
[16:22] <giwrgaras> i think you were here
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> geri: as far as I know, apt uses its own
[16:22] <giwrgaras> when i was asking what to do:
[16:22] <giwrgaras> just a 4g swap and a 50g ext4
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: resize then install to free space
[16:23] <giwrgaras> oh now you tell me i asked about 4 times?
[16:23] <ahow628> blazemore: I'm going to try downloading 12.04 (not 12.04.2) which was the release when I first installed Ubuntu on my CR-48. We'll see if that works.
[16:23] <giwrgaras> 5?
[16:23] <giwrgaras> GOD
[16:23] <drasko> hi all. How to fetch linux source for currently used debian version?
[16:24] <drasko> apt-get install linux-source ?
[16:24] <drasko> I want to recompile wifi driver
[16:24] <theodorDiaconu> I am trying to connect to a cisco vpn on ubuntu 12.04 lts and under no circumstances it doesn't let me
[16:24] <asim> nothing happened
[16:24] <theodorDiaconu> I don't get a propper error, all I receive is "cannot connect to vpn" thing
[16:24] <SwedeMike> !details | theodorDiaconu
[16:25] <bekks> drasko: Which ubuntu version do you have?
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  partitioning is the hardest part, it kept me from trying linux, years ago
[16:25] <SwedeMike> theodorDiaconu: are you trying to use vpnc ?
[16:25] <drasko> bekks, precise LTS
[16:25] <giwrgaras> it isnt partition i asked 5 times
[16:25] <giwrgaras> 'what to do?'
[16:25] <giwrgaras> 'this and that?'
[16:25] <giwrgaras> 'yeah yeah'
[16:25] <giwrgaras> NO WINDOWS
[16:26] <asim> i used the command but nothing happened
[16:26] <blazemore> giwrgaras: When you installed Ubuntu, how did you resize your NTFS partition?
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> asim: did a file get downloaded?
[16:26] <asim> nops
[16:26] <theodorDiaconu> SwedeMike: don't have anymore details, sorry
[16:26] <giwrgaras> there werent much options friend
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> asim: can you pastebin the command you ran as well as the output please
[16:26] <giwrgaras> and to begin with
[16:26] <giwrgaras> ~ NO ALONGSIDE WINDOWS INSTALL
[16:26] <theodorDiaconu> SwedeMike: I have VPN Type: vpnc in the vpn config entry
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> giwrgaras: then why didnt you stop?
[16:27] <asim> can u please tell me how to pastebin the command?
[16:27] <giwrgaras> because i came here and asked about 4 5 times what to do?
[16:27] <asim> i m new to linux
[16:27] <giwrgaras> 'hey guys i have this and this'
[16:27] <blazemore> giwrgaras: That can happen when you don't shut Windows down cleanly; the Ubuntu installer doesn't recognise the ntfs partition. What you've done, from what I can tell, is blindly continue without understanding what you were doing, now you've deleted your ntfs partition and you're blaming anyone but yourself
[16:27] <giwrgaras> 'yeah do that'
[16:27] <bekks> !pastebinit | asim
[16:27] <giwrgaras> KAPUT
[16:28] <blazemore> giwrgaras: If I were you I'd think about what lessons you can take from this experience
[16:28] <giwrgaras> yeah
[16:28] <giwrgaras> stay away from this peiece of shit
[16:28] <giwrgaras> and dont ask here
[16:28] <bekks> giwrgaras: Please watch your language.
[16:28] <giwrgaras> thanks brainiar
[16:29] <blazemore> giwrgaras: That sounds like a plan actually; anything that results in you not coming back in here can only be a good thing
[16:29] <asim> so do i need to swtich to the graphic mode in ubuntu to downlaod / install this utility?
[16:29] <giwrgaras> and lose the pleasure of your smart company?
[16:29] <bekks> asim: No, you can install it from any commandline - text mode, terminal graphics environment, ssh shell, etc.
[16:29] <brontosaurusrex> asim, apt-get install yourutility
[16:29] <giwrgaras> were else can someone find such help
[16:30] <bekks> giwrgaras: Actually, you will. Setting you onto ignore because you dont want to stop ranting.
[16:30] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  what did you do, to make it so troublesome?
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> asim: copy the text as you expect and go to the pastebin then past ethe text there, when the page changes, copy the new URL and paste THAT in here
[16:30] <giwrgaras> a bekks ignored me thats terrible
[16:30] <drasko> and?
[16:30] <blazemore> giwrgaras: Setting you to ignore, too
[16:30] <asim> can u please tell me the command ??
[16:31] <bazhang> giwrgaras, blazemore thats enough
[16:31] <giwrgaras> another smartass ignored me
[16:31] <blazemore> It's OK I'm going home now anyway
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  how did this all start?
[16:32] <giwrgaras> by having a crazy idea of installing ubuntu
[16:32] <giwrgaras> to be honest
[16:32] <giwrgaras> all other are meaningless now
[16:32] <giwrgaras> lost all my data?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> giwrgaras, more help depends a lot on attitude ....no one here owes you anything , so a word to the wise should be sufficient
[16:32] <giwrgaras> yes
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> giwrgaras  start from the beginning, what brought you here?
[16:32] <rlw> hello ubuntu head, lol, my wireless logo where the time displays isn't showing
[16:33] <holstein> rlw: but, the newtwork is working?
[16:33] <holstein> !volunteers | giwrgaras
[16:34] <holstein> giwrgaras: have you looked to see that the partition is gone? or is windows just not booting from grub?
[16:34] <rlw> holstein: yes that's correct
[16:34] <drasko> how do we change linux code in ubuntu
[16:34] <drasko> kernel
[16:34] <giwrgaras> how can i look?
[16:35] <holstein> giwrgaras: if you had come here before hand, before doing *anything* that would resize *any* partition, i would have suggested that you have a good backup
[16:35] <drasko> how to fetch ubuntu linux of the curent distribution
[16:35] <giwrgaras> holstein i was here BEFORE
[16:35] <bekks> drasko: Whats the output of "uname -a" please?
[16:35] <drasko> kernel source
[16:35] <giwrgaras> MUCH BEFORE doing anything
[16:35] <drasko> Linux Hegel 3.5.0-34-generic #55~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 7 16:25:50 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:35] <BluesKaj> drasko, read the topic
[16:35] <giwrgaras> and spoke and asked 5 times the same thing
[16:35] <holstein> giwrgaras: so, you have a backup, then?
[16:35] <MonkeyDust> !kernel | drasko start here
[16:35] <giwrgaras> so thats why i was asking
[16:36] <giwrgaras> if i was to destroy everything i could do it alone i didnt need outside help
[16:36] <holstein> giwrgaras: you can run "sudo fdisk -l" from a terminal, and share that via a pastebin, if you need help parsing it.. a volunteer will help
[16:36] <wilee-nilee> drasko, do you have one at a time questions in detaill?
[16:36] <MonkeyDust> drasko  the current kernel used is -28
[16:36] <giwrgaras> http://pastie.org/8113231#10
[16:36] <holstein> giwrgaras: confirm that you have a problem, by checking for the partition..
[16:36] <MonkeyDust> -25*
[16:36] <drasko> how do we fetch kernel source
[16:36] <rlw> also can I download anti-virus software, not just command line software
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> drasko  read the link ubottu sent you
[16:37] <geri_> MonkeyDust
[16:37] <geri_> it works now
[16:37] <geri_> but arent there some global proxy settings?
[16:37] <holstein> giwrgaras: so, Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB is the only disk you have in the machine?
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> !info clamtk | rlw
[16:37] <geri_> why has apt its own conf file?
[16:37] <giwrgaras> yes
[16:37] <ss_haze> rlw, you can download clamav
[16:37] <holstein> giwrgaras: you have installed linux to the entire drive
[16:37] <ss_haze> for windows viruses
[16:37] <GunArm> giwrgaras: saying "I asked 5 times if a shot to the gut would kill me.  And no one answered!  So I shot myself in the gut! WTF guys?" does not make sense
[16:38] <drasko> MonkeyDust, I am using Precise
[16:38] <GunArm> for things that are important you don't move on until you have an answer
[16:38] <rlw> ss_haze: ~I've already got f-prot though, I rather using a front GUI then a command line all the time
[16:38] <asim> is there a way to resolve the sound problem via graphical mode ???
[16:38] <holstein> giwrgaras: this could have happened installing any OS.. unfortunately, it might be a learning experience for you
[16:38] <Kitt3n> rlw, you really don't need an antivirus on Linux
[16:39] <drasko> is there a simple way to apt-get linux sources of the current distribution?
[16:39] <holstein> giwrgaras: you can always try something like photorec from the testdisk suite, and see if any specific files can be recovered from the drive
[16:39] <holstein> !virus
[16:39] <MonkeyDust> drasko  try apt-get source [package]
[16:39] <rlw> Kitt3n: Yup I do thank you there is virus, malware, etc not just on windows
[16:39] <drasko> MonkeyDust, exactly - what is the package
[16:40] <holstein> rlw: dont think, or trust what anyone things.. run AV if you feel safer..
[16:40] <Ari-Yang> !linuxvirus
[16:40] <Ari-Yang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Linuxvirus
[16:40] <drasko> HOw to find a current linux kernel source package?
[16:40] <asim> can someone please help me??
[16:40] <ss_haze> I just checked and if you have windows, and you need to scan it, it has that clamav also for it, so I don't sense a need for it to be run from linux
[16:41] <trism> drasko: you could use: apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r); for your running kernel
[16:41] <ss_haze> but it's good that it is there
[16:41] <asim> re: sound problem i m havin with my newly installed ubunto 12.04??
[16:41] <drasko> I just can not belive that I will have to fetch the kernel from kernel.org. Does not Ubuntu package kerenl souces?
[16:41] <MonkeyDust> drasko  there's also #ubuntu-kernel
[16:41] <trism> drasko: you could also install the linux-source package if you just wanted a tarball without the packaging
[16:42] <drasko> trism, thanks
[16:42] <drasko> that's what I have been looking for
[16:42] <rlw> holstien: thank you, how do I uninstall f-prot and wipe it out of my H.D.D & put ClamAV instead. I did say to Kitt3n that I'm a professional on all of Windows Platform. But I wanted to change my O.S because I might change my Home Server to Ubuntu instead of Windows
[16:42] <unimos> sharing happylicious
[16:42] <DesignerX> HI
[16:42] <Kitt3n> Hi DesignerX! :)
[16:43] <DesignerX> oK, i'M A NOOB IN LINUX WORLD, STARTING TO TEST OUT LINUX IN vmS & TRYING TO SETUP A lamp SERVER
[16:43] <DesignerX> opps.. sorry about caps
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> caps
[16:43] <rypervenche> That was your first mistake :X
[16:43] <DesignerX> :D
[16:44] <DesignerX> Q1 : I installed KDE , for some reason its starting in text mode only .. how can I fix that ?
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> DesignerX  start with tasksel in the virtual machine, to select server tasks
[16:44] <Ban-Hammer> lol lamp
[16:44] <DesignerX> KDE on Ubuntu 12
[16:45] <ss_haze> for safer experience with kde, you had to start with kubuntu anyway DesignerX
[16:45] <asim> can someone please help me ?????
[16:45] <trueneu> KDE. Text mode. Ubuntu 12. LAMP. Something is very illogical here. Try Kubuntu, DesignerX.
[16:45] <ss_haze> lamp server is some apache setup?
[16:45] <DesignerX> I had Ubuntu setup with LAMP, so I just added the KDE , it workd for a while then stopped
[16:46] <trueneu> ss_haze, linux mysql apache php stack.
[16:46] <ss_haze> hardcore
[16:46] <Ban-Hammer> well if you have a desk top , i find the easyest way is to do apt-get install phpmyadmin which happens to add everything you need for your "lamp"
[16:46] <DesignerX> that's it
[16:46] <rlw> Okay, I've downloaded the .tar.gz of ClamAV - how do I remove the other one
[16:46] <Ari-Yang> rlw, what do you mean "other one"?
[16:46] <trueneu> Ban-Hammer, nice trick. :)
[16:46] <DesignerX> the problem is, KDE is starting as text mode only & not to the GUI
[16:46] <rlw> f-prot
[16:47] <Ban-Hammer> but i likes short cuts across the grass
[16:47] <Kitt3n> Ban-Hammer, easier to install with the XAMPP linux installer :D
[16:47] <Ban-Hammer> ;)
[16:47] <rlw> How do I remove p-prot in other words
[16:47] <Ban-Hammer> yer but my way you git phpmyadmin too
[16:47] <Ari-Yang> rlw, how did you install it?
[16:47] <ss_haze> problem is kde team is lazy to make stable ubuntu builds or your computer hasn't got enough power, or you did something very wrong
[16:47] <Ari-Yang> if you got it via apt-get then sudo apt-get remove f-prot
[16:47] <rlw> install what f-prot?
[16:48] <Ari-Yang> rlw, how /did/ you install f-prot?
[16:48] <rlw> though Command
[16:48] <DesignerX> Kitar|st: I used XAMPP at the end after failed testes with installing LAMP one by one
[16:48] <Ari-Yang> rlw, you could just google 'how to uninstall a program on ubuntu'
[16:48] <Ari-Yang> it's really easy......
[16:48] <rlw> Okay fine
[16:48] <DesignerX> ss_haze: its running in a VM, with the same settings, I was able to get to the GUI for the 11st few times, I'm sure this happend after an update
[16:49] <rlw> Also I've got Ubuntu 13.04 how to I get my Wireless Icon back on my menu where the time displays
[16:50] <ss_haze> you just had to start with VM part, cause graphical drivers are enough to put xserver out
[16:50] <Ban-Hammer> @ DesignerX I was being seriour when i siad >>> apt-get install phpmyadmin
[16:50] <Ban-Hammer> lol serious#
[16:51] <syntax_error> hello all
[16:51] <nikola_> hello ppl :), i have a question, if there is a irc chat client, that intergrates with unity?i am on 12.04 LTS
[16:51] <ss_haze> quassel is great irc chat client
[16:51] <MonkeyDust> nikola_  what do you mean, integrates with unity?
[16:51] <wilee-nilee> nikola_, I don't think so they are all independent.
[16:51] <ss_haze> atleast for my own very small needs
[16:51] <Kitt3n> nikola_, Hexchat is a great irc chat client
[16:51] <holstein> rlw: i would try and take the same approach you did to becoming a proffessional on the windows platform.. you are saying "i need AV" and very few linux users have AV
[16:52] <Ban-Hammer> ss_haze, whuts it do that xchat dont ?
[16:52] <wilee-nilee> +1 hexchat
[16:52] <ss_haze> hide a lot of spam
[16:52] <holstein> rlw: try and do what you likely did with windows. use the defaults til you have specific needs arise.. if you want AV, install it..
[16:52] <nikola_> like for example the email client, thunderbird, which i can minize and if a new message arrives the small envelope tyrn blue
[16:52] <nikola_> *turns
[16:52] <Ari-Yang> nikola_, for linux I recommend hexchat (gui) and weechat or irssi for terminal
[16:52] <ss_haze> and it's qt based, it's like clementine or irc
[16:52] <DesignerX> ok ... lolz .. after long research .. found I just had to type "startx'  to start up the GUI
[16:53] <ss_haze> good one designerX :D
 I dont have spam, I read the Man
[16:53] <usr13> nikola_: thunderbird is not an IRC chat client.
[16:53] <ss_haze> startxfce4 or startkde also was there
[16:53] <nikola_> i know that is not, i was giving it like an example, what i mean by "integrates with unity"
[16:54] <Ari-Yang> nikola_, I don't think there is any......
[16:54] <ss_haze> unity is integrated with anything
[16:54] <DesignerX> ss_haze: any idea how I can make it start with KDE & not the text mode ?
[16:54] <ss_haze> I guess sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:54] <ss_haze> first
[16:54] <DesignerX> ss_haze:  KDE is installed
[16:55] <ss_haze> then remove it, and try again
[16:55] <kostkon> nikola_, there is
[16:55] <ss_haze> maybe some packages are broken
[16:55] <Kitt3n> DesignerX, I think the Arch Linux wiki have some info on how to manually set up KDE to auto start on boot ;p
[16:55] <nikola_> @kostkon ?
[16:55] <kostkon> nikola_, xchat
[16:55] <kostkon> nikola_, to enable the messaging menu support, install the package xchat-indicator
[16:55] <export> arch is so well documented their wiki helps linux in general lol
[16:56] <Kitt3n> export, *nod* Yup.
[16:56] <tjr9898> I'm having troubles dissecting the differences between xorg documenatation and Ubuntu's implementation of xorg
[16:56] <nikola_> 10x, kostkon i will give it a try
[16:56] <tjr9898> I'm currently using 12.03
[16:56] <tjr9898> I'm currently using 12.04
[16:56] <Ban-Hammer> or change run level
[16:56] <kostkon> nikola_, make sure when you attempt to close it the first time to select the option to hide the window. that way you can close it and then pop it up using its entry in the messaging menu aka the folder icon
[16:57] <ceroz> привет
[16:57] <DJones> !ru | ceroz
[16:58] <ceroz> #ubuntu
[16:59] <ceroz> есть кто шарит в xubuntu???
[16:59] <Kitt3n> !ru | ceroz
[17:01] <trueneu> That why I don't like ru community much. Arrogance.
[17:01] <DesignerX> Terminator is the best Command line tool ever :D wish it was for windows too
[17:02] <tjr9898> I think my xorg conf is being overran by lighdm settings
[17:02] <tjr9898> could this be true?
[17:02] <jgcampbell300> !xrdp
 10x for the tip :) about the integration with unity :)
[17:03] <kostkon> nikola__, :)
[17:04] <DesignerX> ok, ty for the help guys, Solution to KDE = Remove it .. revert back to a snaphot I took before I installed KDE :D
[17:05] <jgcampbell300> anyone here know exactly what xrdp does ?
[17:05] <holstein> !info xrdp
[17:05] <dojha00> Sorry I m back. Previous question:- Hey guys, can u plz help me with --- today i was trying to install ubuntu 12.04 in my compaq laptop and it's got stuck at "kernel panic- not syncing: Out of memory and no killable processes... bla bla bla and then  panic occurred, switching back to text console".. plz.
[17:05] <holstein> dojha00: i would test that iso
[17:06] <jpds> dojha00: Yes, you need more memory in your system.
[17:06] <dojha00> holstein iso is okay.
[17:06] <holstein> ^^ that too
[17:06] <holstein> dojha00: then, move on to the actual error message, as jpds suggests
[17:06] <Kitt3n> dojha00, how much memory does your laptop have?
[17:06] <dojha00> it's has 512 mb ram so i donot think that is an issue.
[17:06] <jgcampbell300> holstein, so is it like a proxy or just something you run on each client to answer calls ?
[17:06] <jpds> dojha00: You'll need at least 1G for Ubuntu.
[17:06] <holstein> jgcampbell300: rdp server
[17:06] <jpds> dojha00: 2 to feel comfortable.
[17:07] <dojha00> jpds yes i know but i checked on ubuntu website and recommended is 512mb. and it should be installing.
[17:07] <jpds> dojha00: OK, good luck.
[17:08] <dojha00> what good luck? LOL it's not installing.
[17:08] <jgcampbell300> holstein, so rdp server like a ms terminal server ?
[17:08] <holstein> jgcampbell300: exactly like a linux rdp server
[17:08] <Kitt3n> dojha00, perhaps Puppy linux?
[17:08] <jpds> dojha00: The computer is clearly telling you: "kernel panic- not syncing: *Out of memory*"
[17:08] <Ban-Hammer> ^ i concure
[17:09] <jgcampbell300> holstein, do you have any links to an example of how it may be used ?
[17:09] <DexterF_> 12.04LTS: flash draws massive cpu and does not work. had that before, is there a workaround?
[17:09] <darpan> helo
[17:09] <dojha00> Kitt3n Puppy Linux? i was trying to install UBUNTU12.04 LTS.
[17:09] <darpan> i have problems woth jack audio interface
[17:09] <darpan> and ati instalation
[17:09] <Kitt3n> dojha00, you can't, you need at least 1 GB ram
[17:09] <Kitt3n> darpan, what ati card do you have?
[17:09] <adamk> dojha00: Try the alternate or server install ISO. Just because the minimum for running 12.04 is 512M, that doesn't mean that's the minimum for installing from the desktop CD.
[17:09] <Ban-Hammer> try debian raw
[17:09] <Ban-Hammer> js
[17:09] <holstein> jgcampbell300: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/xrdp.8.html
[17:10] <darpan> i m using laptop
[17:10] <holstein> jgcampbell300: do you have any examples of what it is you are looking for?
[17:10] <dojha00> jpds yes not because of it donot have memory surely it has some other issue because before that i was running ubuntu on the same system and was working great.
[17:10] <darpan> samsung
[17:10] <jgcampbell300> holstein, thank you ... and sorry for my confusion
[17:10] <darpan> ati radeon hd 7xxx series
[17:10] <holstein> jgcampbell300: teamviewer works well in ubuntu, and is quite easy to use
[17:10] <adamk> darpan: Are you using the proprietary drivers?
[17:10] <jgcampbell300> holstein, well i was looking for a better way to manage all my remotes to my clients and thought xrdp sounded kinda neet
[17:10] <dojha00> adamk that's not minimum that is recommended.
[17:10] <okabe2> Is it possible to get OpenGL 3.3 support on Ubuntu?
[17:10] <darpan> hmm i dunno , i jus instaled ubuntu studio
[17:11] <darpan> as i m new to it now
[17:11] <adamk> dojha00: Well it's certainly not my recommended :-)
[17:11] <adamk> darpan: To use HDMI audio on that GPU, you need to use the proprietary drivers from AMD.
[17:11] <jgcampbell300> holstein, ya i have used it ... but i cant use it in some of my locations dew to security issues
[17:11] <adamk> okabe2: Depends entirely on the video card and drivers.
[17:11] <Ari-Yang> no you don't adamk
[17:11] <darpan> ohk , how to do , i mean , wil i get drivers from ati site ?
[17:11] <asim> can someone please help me regarding sound settings for my newly installed ubuntu 12.04 via VMware???
[17:11] <Ari-Yang> darpan, hold up......
[17:11] <darpan> ok
[17:11] <Ban-Hammer> what gpu was it ?
[17:12] <okabe2> adamk: I got AMD BARTS card and open source drivers...
[17:12] <Kitt3n> 7xxx series
[17:12] <adamk> Ari-Yang: According to the radeon developers, when I asked them two days ago, HDMI audio is not yet supported on HD7xxx GPUs with the radeon driver.
[17:12] <jpds> dojha00: If the computer says out of memory, it's out of memory - are you really going to argue against it about that?
[17:12] <Vec_> Hey guys, i'm about to start installing a LAMP-stack on my server, and im fairly certain i want to do the lions share of configing through some kind of webbased admin panel like cPanel or ISPConfig3. -- My first question is, what adminpanel do you guys reccomend? The most important factor is lack of security issues, then user-friendlyness
[17:12] <darpan> i have amd quad core a8 processor with ati  radeon hd 7xxxx
[17:12] <dojha00> #adamk LOL. yup it's recommended by UBUNTU people. and after all it was working in that system before so that's not an issue right now.
[17:12] <esben> Hello. Does anyone know of a music player that lets you select the command to play the file?
[17:12] <jpds> Vec_: None, SSH is your friend.
[17:13] <esben> or perhaps a plugin to a music player
[17:13] <adamk> dojha00: Clearly it is an issue...  If it weren't an issue, you wouldn't be getting that error message :-)
[17:13] <Vec_> jpds: It seems like such a daunting task to config stuff through SSH compared to clicking on stuff in a panel
[17:13] <Kitt3n> darpan, uninstall the open source driver currently in use and install the driver from AMD.com with --force. Don't restart after removing the open source driver.
[17:13] <jpds> Vec_: You're better off asking in #ubuntu-server.
[17:13] <holstein> esben: what? all players will have a play button
[17:13] <Ari-Yang> darpan, personally, ati proprietary drivers are horrible. they have horrible 2d acceleration, the main reason why one would use it if you're a gamer. I'm able to use hdmi and have working audio by adding radeon.audio=1 to the line in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" of /etc/default/grub
[17:13] <darpan> actualy i dunno the programing  , how to un instal it
[17:13] <esben> command as in mplayer or mpg321 for example
[17:13] <Vec_> jpds: Are you of the opinion that its not enough of a hassle configing through ssh to use a webbased solution?
[17:13] <adamk> Ari-Yang: And what video card do you have?
[17:14] <dojha00> #adamk yes but it should be having some other solution than i go and change my ram first.
[17:14] <esben> so when pressing play it just executes the custom command on the file
[17:14] <darpan> it is with the laptop itself
[17:14] <Ari-Yang> I did this for this laptop, and this is a HD5400 CEDAR card
[17:14] <jpds> Vec_: Well, these days I prefer to use a services/configuration management system like juju/puppet.
[17:14] <Ari-Yang> darpan, are you going to be doing hardcore gaming?
[17:14] <adamk> Ari-Yang: Right, because it's supported for your GPU. According to the *developers* it's not supported on HD7xxx GPUs. Your advice does not apply.
[17:14] <darpan> samsung np355v5c s03in , check it out
[17:14] <dojha00> #jpds i m not arguing i m just saying it's showing because of some other problem and i donot know what it is exactly and if u guys know then help me.
[17:14] <Vec_> jpds: Consider that im very new to this stuff, im learning as i go. So i guess that stuff is out of my league
[17:14] <darpan> no i m not a gamer , but musician ,
[17:14] <Ari-Yang> adamk, I see....
[17:15] <holstein> esben: cvlc is a commandline player.. if thats what you are looking for
[17:15] <darpan> i worked in cubase for 8 yrs
[17:15] <jpds> Vec_: But no, I've never used a panel software.
[17:15] <darpan> n now swittchin to ubuntu studio
[17:15] <Ari-Yang> darpan, okay, in terminal run sudo apt-get install fglrx
[17:15] <Ari-Yang> and that should do it
[17:15] <Ari-Yang> after you restart
[17:15] <holstein> darpan: i did that.. migrated from cubase to ardour
[17:15] <Vec_> jpds: Ill do it through ssh and then i can always install some adminpanel later on if i want to try that :)
[17:15] <djono> im having trouble transfering large files to usb
[17:15] <Vec_> Plenty of learning to be had through the terminal :>
[17:15] <holstein> darpan: you'll want to /join #opensourcemusicians
[17:16] <darpan> ohh wow , is it recomended for pro use ?
[17:16] <Ari-Yang> darpan, you should first try fglrx from ubuntu's repo, I wouldn't trust the ones from amd's site. Becareful, I've seen many users here installing fglrx and end up with a lot of problems....
[17:16] <darpan> i i jud typed tht code in terminal
[17:16] <darpan> after thth
[17:16] <holstein> darpan: a machine? recommended for pro use? i mean, if your a pro, and you use it, thats pro-use
[17:16] <Kitt3n> Ari-Yang, the ones in the ubuntu repo suck, at least for Minecraft.
[17:16] <Ari-Yang> darpan, or sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates
[17:16] <darpan> ohk
[17:16] <james41382> rhythmbox seems to hang when importing my itunes library music folder. I have tried it twice now and it hung both times at different spots in the import... Any ideas?
[17:16] <adamk> dojha00: If you did, indeed, having this version of Ubuntu working on that machine before, with 512M of ram, what did you do differently last time to get it to install?
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> Kitt3n, oh? well it all depends really, I've seen many users here use from ubuntu's repos. heck most recommended them than from amd's site
[17:17] <darpan> now its showing " 0 upgraded , 0 newly installed ... " n all
[17:17] <holstein> james41382: are the files able to be imported?
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> darpan, what ubuntu version are you running?
[17:17] <trueneu> Hah, hexchat feels a lot like xchat.
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> trueneu, it's the new xchat-wdk
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> so ofc it would :3
[17:17] <trueneu> Ari-Yang, ah. I see.
[17:17] <darpan> hmm , ubuntu studio is totly diff
[17:17] <wilee-nilee> trueneu, It is xchat basicall.
[17:17] <james41382> holstein: the files that imported can play
[17:17] <darpan> but i love it
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> better yet
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> !ati
[17:17] <holstein> darpan: no its not.. ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> darpan, check that link
[17:18] <darpan> mine is 12.04.02
[17:18] <darpan> mine is ubuntu studio
[17:18] <Ari-Yang> darpan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Installing_upstream_drivers_directly_from_AMD.27s_website
[17:18] <holstein> darpan: i have migrated from cubase to ardour years ago. i am an ubuntustudio member, and i run 12.04 on my production machine.. what is the issue?
[17:18] <darpan> ohk , my issue with ardour is sound card problem
[17:19] <holstein> darpan: have you been to #ardour? las is quite helpful.. are you using JACK?
[17:19] <dojha00> #adamk i had ubuntu 12.04 installed in it before then someone accessed my laptop and deleted the derive in which i had installed UBUNTU. and when i come back it was showing "grub-rescue>" since i knew that there is no more grub files so i tried starting a new copy in place of recoverying grub.
[17:19] <holstein> !proaudio | darpan
[17:19] <james41382> holstein: the first time it stopped responding around 17 gb and the second time around 15, but i think there around 30 gb in there so something is up.
[17:19] <jgcampbell300> oh i see .. xrdp server is so windows machines can make connection to linux pcs
[17:19] <holstein> darpan: JACK is where you want to start..
[17:19] <darpan> hmm  , no , it is the normal driver , when i open ardour , its not jack
[17:19] <darpan> its oder
[17:19] <holstein> darpan: ardour *requires* JACK
[17:20] <darpan> ohk
[17:20] <holstein> darpan: so, theres the problem.. as i said, you want to start with JACK
[17:20] <adamk> dojha00: I'd seriously conisder double checking or triple checking the ram, then.
[17:20] <darpan> jack comes with ubuntu studio ?
[17:20] <wilee-nilee> !tab > dojha00, a # does not inform the user you are adressing
[17:20] <darpan> preinstalled ?
[17:20] <holstein> darpan: yes.. and its not trivial.. the link i gave shows how to get is started
[17:20] <darpan> okh
[17:20] <holstein> !proaudio > darpan
[17:21] <wilee-nilee> !tab > dojha00,
[17:21] <darpan> ohk thnx
[17:21] <darpan> wait
[17:21] <dojha00> adamk: double checking or triple checking means?? what should i do ? i donot want to replace my ram atm.
[17:21] <dojha00> thanks everyone for reminding me. :)
[17:21] <holstein> darpan: you can use, and test JACK from the live CD.. back when i was migrating, ubuntustudio didnt have a live CD.. we went to a live CD recently
[17:22] <adamk> dojha00: Run memtest on the machine for a number of passes.
[17:22] <holstein> darpan: you can use the live CD, so you dont "break" your current config... and test different JACK settings on the fly, without worrying
[17:22] <darpan> hmm ok
[17:22] <holstein> darpan: i use a firewire device, which was a bit more of a challenge back when i migrated
[17:22] <darpan> ohh ohk yup , it is challenging
[17:23] <holstein> darpan: what audio device are you using?
[17:23] <dojha00> adamk: okay Thanks let me try it then.
[17:23] <darpan> i have m-audio micro isb
[17:23] <darpan> i m not getin its drives
[17:23] <holstein> darpan: isb? drives?
[17:23] <darpan> i mean
[17:23] <darpan> usb
[17:23] <darpan> sory
[17:23] <holstein> darpan: you have a usb device, and its not working?
[17:23] <darpan> hmm no
[17:24] <holstein> darpan: anyways.. what i would suggest is, remove variables.. remove one of the cards, and get jack working, say, on the internal device.. which is likely supported out of the box by JACK
[17:24] <darpan> ohk , jack is pro level ? compared to m-audio n al dat
[17:24] <darpan> hmm i have heard abt jack , its grt
[17:24] <holstein> darpan: then, when you "get your feet wet" with JACK, disable or remove the internal sound card, and go to the maudio device
[17:24] <darpan> ohk
[17:24] <dojha00> !adamk how to run memtest? it's has been time and i have been forget.
[17:24] <holstein> darpan: JACK does what it does.. "prolevel" is a matter of use case and opinion
[17:25] <occ> does ubuntu run well on sony laptops?
[17:25] <adamk> dojha00: It's availalbe as an option when you boot off the Ubuntu Live CD.
[17:25] <darpan> ohk :)
[17:25] <holstein> darpan: im sure a professional can sound like an amatuer on amature gear, just as the inverse is possible
[17:25] <darpan> is cubase similar to ardour  ?
[17:25] <darpan> i mean , functionality wide
[17:25] <darpan> wise
[17:26] <darpan> i knw , its diff , but , user interface wise
[17:26] <occ> i think cubase does a bit more
[17:26] <holstein> darpan: dont bother yourself with terms such as "pro".. if you want to be in a $200/hour studio, thenn go there.. if you want a very nice DAW, and for free, ubuntustudio with ardour is an excellent choice, and quite capable
[17:26] <occ> but they do the same sort of operations
[17:26] <dojha00> adamk: okay let me try.
[17:26] <holstein> darpan: ardour is not aiming to emluate anything.. just as cubase is not aiming to emluate or replace ardour
[17:26] <darpan> ohk thnaks
[17:26] <darpan> thnks
[17:26] <holstein> darpan: you *will* have a learning curve, and an "unlearning" curve
[17:27] <darpan> hmm yup :0
[17:27] <darpan> u can check my sounds on soundcloud
[17:27] <occ> iv only used reaper
[17:27] <holstein> darpan: i have been using ardour for about 5 years since leaving cubase, and im still not as fast as i was in cubase.. but, for me, the switch is and was worth it
[17:27] <darpan> ohh wow
[17:27] <darpan> grt
[17:28] <holstein> dont come to ardour for a cubase replacement.. come to ardour becuase you want to use and support FOSS and linux
[17:28] <darpan> , actualy my laptop has 1.9 ghz guad core amd apu a8 ,
[17:28] <darpan> so it is lil slow
[17:28] <holstein> darpan: you can do most audio production on a P4 still
[17:29] <darpan> ohk'
[17:29] <holstein> my main audio production rig is a dual core with 8 gb of ram, and i assure you, the CPU is not the bottleneck
[17:29] <darpan> i'l be right back aftr 5 mins ,... , rebooting my laptop ,
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> !info rosegarden
[17:30] <ad> hi
[17:31] <pr4vus> hi, i need some help with compiling. im trying to compile razercfg tool. but commands make, make isntall, and cmake gives nothing. any ideas?
[17:32] <trueneu> pr4vus, probably you should configure it first?
[17:32] <holstein> pr4vus: http://askubuntu.com/questions/216349/razer-naga-ubuntu-12-10 refers to "after" installing it
[17:32] <pr4vus> ok... problem is, i have no idea how to
[17:32] <holstein> pr4vus: the package or package maintainer should include information.. share that information here if you need a volunteer to help parse the info
[17:33] <pr4vus> ok. give me a minute
[17:33] <MikeRL> So, I will leave this message here, and repost every half hour: Anyone available to help confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668 ? To trigger the bug, you'll need to do the following: 1) Search the dash for "Desktop Sharing" and click it. 2) Modify some preferences. Make sure the icon in the notification area is set to "Always visible". 3) Close desktop sharing. 4) The icon should disappear on an updated R
 aring machine. Also, there is one more step. 5) Run /usr/lib/vino/vino-server from a terminal. It should crash.
[17:34] <pr4vus> ok, im certain i have all the dependancies to start of with
[17:35] <pr4vus> oh wait.... there is a space and dot in the cmake command.
[17:36] <pr4vus> i think i got it... thank you
[17:36] <poz> hi guys, I need some help trying to get a vpn through my firewall. not sure how or where to starty
[17:37] <holstein> poz: i used my phone to test the connnect.. i use a simple pptp server https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PPTPServer though, there are arguably better solutions
[17:37] <holstein> poz: if its literally just the firewall, i put mine in the DMZ of the router, and used a firewall on the machine
[17:37] <b80905> please help me install opengl for developing
[17:38] <t0th_-> hi
[17:38] <t0th_-> i am trying use rsyn
[17:38] <holstein> b80905: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7842622/setting-up-opengl-on-ubuntu
[17:38] <t0th_-> but my files ar not sync..
[17:38] <t0th_-> rsync -avrzP
[17:38] <poz> humm
[17:38] <poz> well i am using firestarter and trying to add a rule
[17:38] <poz> not sure what to put in
[17:39] <holstein> poz: i tested locally with no firewall as well.. to confirm all was working, so i would know if the issue was firewall or not
[17:39] <MikeRL> My request takes multiple steps, but a noob could do it. You just need a Raring machine that's updated to help me confirm a bug.
[17:39] <Prock81> i finally got my gps working
[17:39] <holstein> MikeRL: i dont think its been 30 minutes yet.. maybe try the mailing list
[17:39] <poz> i know it is the firewall becuase vpn works when it disabled but does not work when enabled
[17:40] <MikeRL> holstein: Thank you.
[17:40] <trism> MikeRL: do you know exactly what options you used? it certainly seems to work fine here
[17:40] <trueneu> t0th_-, you're probably using rsync in wrong direction then.
[17:40] <t0th_-> no
[17:40] <MikeRL> trism: I had to modify some options under Desktop sharing.
[17:40] <Prock81> anyone know of some free marine navigation software, i got opencpn but im looking for more accurate
[17:40] <MikeRL> trism: And then run  /usr/lib/vino/vino-server from the terminal.
[17:41] <trueneu> t0th_-, can you find something common among not synced files?
[17:41] <trueneu> t0th_-, or none of them are synced at all?
[17:41] <MikeRL> trism: It's funky here on my end. I even reformatted and the bug reappeared!
[17:41] <trism> MikeRL: yes I understand how to use it, I am curious what your setup was, because it isn't crashing here
[17:41] <MikeRL> trism: Are you running Raring?
[17:41] <t0th_-> i see in destination, the are not changed
[17:41] <trism> MikeRL: yep
[17:42] <MikeRL> trism: Have you modified any of the options? Worked for me for the longest time as well.
[17:42] <trueneu> t0th_-, please pastebin the full command.
[17:43] <noos> hello, big problem after kernel update, updtae finished, but i didnt restart, now system hang, and i get "Operating System not found" on Ubuntu 12.04 , any help, PLEASE...
[17:44] <t0th_-> http://pastebin.com/5S67Pas6
[17:44] <trism> MikeRL: actually, do you have the upnp option enabled? looking at the stacktrace I bet that is where it is crashing
[17:44] <MikeRL> trism: It's mysteriously working again, only on my laptop. Maybe I'll look into some log files and see if something stopped it from messing up.
[17:45] <ohnoididitagain> Hey there. I'm having problem with starting application I get this message: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:45] <MikeRL> trism: WHOAH YOU'RE A LIFESAVER! Didn't know that's where it was crashing. Now I know what to avoid. Anyhow, can you toggle on that option and see if it crashes?
[17:46] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Install libglu1-mesa...  It should have been installed by default.
[17:46] <trism> MikeRL: yeah I toggled it here and still didn't crash, so it might have something to do with your setup, maybe router sending a reply it isn't expecting
[17:46] <poz_> anyone know how to get vpn past firestarter firewall?
[17:46] <noos> hello, big problem after kernel update, updtae finished, but i didnt restart, now system hang, and i get "Operating System not found" on Ubuntu 12.04 , any help, PLEASE...
[17:47] <jpds> noos: Sounds like a BIOS issue?
[17:47] <trueneu> t0th_-, by that command you sync /home/xxx/xxx.com with /home/xxx/dev.xxx.com/xxx.com , not with /home/xxx/dev.xxx.com .
[17:47] <noos> idk, really, i dont find the boot sequence option in bios...., jpds
[17:47] <Prock81> oooh tripple X lol
[17:47] <xlinear> hey, can anyone help me setup my fans correctly? Just installed Ubuntu 12 on a laptop, and the fans take off whenever I do anything even remotely CPU-intensive.  The laptop is pretty powerful, so it shouldn't be doing this =/
[17:48] <MikeRL> trism: So my router is likely the culprit... But I will ping you later when I find a workaround. Can you try and reproduce this bug at all? If not, I'll add my router model to the LaunchPad page. May be the firewall...
[17:48] <adamk> xlinear: The laptop being powerful has no bearing on the fans...
[17:48] <t0th_-> i need put / ?
[17:48] <t0th_-> how i can solve?
[17:48] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: how to do that?
[17:48] <poz_> anyone know how to get vpn past firestarter firewall?
[17:49] <reisio> t0th_-: solve what?
[17:49] <trueneu> Yep. Put a trailing '/' at source, t0th_-.
[17:49] <xlinear> adamk: I think it might have to do with the settings for the CPU/fans.  See, my first core gets a lot of use, and frequently climbs to 100%.  Then the fans go to full, because something thinks I'm doing something CPU-intensive... but the other cores are idling.
[17:49] <t0th_-> thanks
[17:49] <MikeRL> trism: Temporarily away for now. You saved my bacon! I need to fix a family member's virus-infested Windows 7 PC, and I FLAT OUT REFUSE to go into Windows 8 to use VNC. Might cross-contaminate Windows.
[17:49] <trism> MikeRL: no luck reproducing it here, and unfortunately it sees we don't have a debugsym package for the libminiupnpc8 package in raring on ddebs, so it'll be harder to get a better trace
[17:49] <msdaisy> poz_: why are you using firestarter? It's been unsupported for years.
[17:50] <t0th_-> whorts
[17:50] <t0th_-> thanks
[17:50] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Use the Ubuntu software center or apt-get.
[17:50] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: You should really familiarize yourself with how to install software from the repos.
[17:50] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: okay, I'll try that
[17:50] <MikeRL> trism: What packages do I need? I can search for a PPA of them online
[17:50] <reisio> MikeRL: you should just switch them over :p
[17:51] <noos> strange now it boots again, i hope now my pass works, this is not the problem laptop, but another one.... all i did is looking @ the boot sequence, jpds
[17:51] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: I only use my computer for webbrowsing and watching movies so no need for learning terminal
[17:51] <MikeRL> reisio: Switch what over? I'm sorry I don't understand.
[17:51] <MikeRL> reisio: Get them off of Windows?
[17:51] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: The Ubuntu Software Center is not a terminal program, though.
[17:52] <poz_> msdaisy, what should i use?
[17:52] <reisio> MikeRL: yeah, not worth it
[17:52] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: I tried apt-get and here's what UI got: libglu1-mesa is already the newest version.
[17:52] <ohnoididitagain> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:52] <msdaisy> poz_: iptables or ufw if you have ubuntu installed.
[17:52] <MikeRL> reisio: I tried. They like Windows because Linux gets the shaft on Flash. And they watch adult stuff online. Shh. Think of the children!
[17:53] <poz_> k
[17:53] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Then you really managed to do something bad to your computer, somehow removing libraries without using the software center or apt-get.  Reinstall that package.
[17:53] <reisio> MikeRL: my Flash works fine
[17:53] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: And hope for the best.
[17:53] <reisio> and I don't even use Chrome
[17:53] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: okay, what's the command to reinstall? apt-get reinstall?
[17:53] <reisio> man apt-get, /reinstall
[17:54] <poz_> anyone know a good way to test a firewall?
[17:55] <msdaisy> poz_: you'll find answers to your questions all over the internet if you use iptables or ufw. you probably won't find an answer if you stick with firestarter.
[17:55] <xlinear> poz_:There's also shorewall.  Nice alternative to using just iptables.
[17:55] <poz_> i removed firestarted... i already had ufw, just not enabled
[17:55] <msdaisy> poz_: yes initiate connections and watch the firewall logs
[17:55] <trism> MikeRL: well, what you would need to do is rebuild miniupnpc with debugging enabled, it's documented here if you wanted to try it: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace , don't know that it would help but it would be more info for the bug report
[17:56] <poz_> msdaisy, how do i watch the logs?
[17:57] <trism> ohnoididitagain: if you are on amd64, you may need the i386 version for your game/whatever, libglu1-mesa:i386
[17:57] <msdaisy> poz_: you can use gedit to view them. i believe they're stored in /var/logs
[17:57] <ohnoididitagain> reinstalled and I still get the same message
[17:57] <trism> ohnoididitagain: could check ldd on the binary and see
[17:57] <ohnoididitagain> trism: I have 64bit but it's Intel i7, not amd
[17:58] <trism> ohnoididitagain: amd64 is just the generic name for our 64bit version
[17:58] <ohnoididitagain> trism: oh okay, I didn't know that :D
[17:58] <SonikkuAmerica> !64bit | ohnoididitagain: reference
[17:58] <noos> goodbye thx
[17:59] <padhu> How can configure double IP in single ethernet card?
[17:59] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: What's the app?
[17:59] <ohnoididitagain> I have 64bit version installed
[17:59] <poz_> msdaisy, so it seems to be working, but it is blocking websites
[17:59] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: It's called Tibia
[17:59] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: old game
[18:00] <xlinear> does anyone know if coretemp needs calibrating? If I do one basic thing sensors shows my CPU core temperature spike from 60 to 86 Celsius, in about a second or so.  That's impossible.
[18:00] <msdaisy> poz_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicSecurity/Firewall This is a tutorial showing how to set up a strong firewall blocking in and out. you could choose to only block inbound and allow all outbound.
[18:00] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Yeah, you probably need libglu1-mesa:i386
[18:01] <msdaisy> poz_: allowing all out will probably not break anything.
[18:01] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: okay, I'll just use apt-get to download it?
[18:01] <adamk> ohnoididitagain: Yep.
[18:01] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: this is the only command I know hah
[18:01] <MonkeyDust> |find fwbuilder | poz_
[18:01] <MonkeyDust> !find fwbuilder | poz_
[18:02] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: I WORS!! TANK YO GUYS <333
[18:02] <poz_> so allowing all out works
[18:03] <ohnoididitagain> adamk: sorry for typos :]
[18:03] <ohnoididitagain> thank you guys, have a nice weekend :]
[18:08] <poz_> I dont understand. so i have the firewall set to deny outgoing, and then I make a rule that allows all outgoing between ports 1 and 60000... still does not work
[18:09] <Ari-Yang> poz_, make sure you port forward your desired ports in your router's settings...
[18:09] <msdaisy> poz_: why not set it to allow all outgoing?
[18:10] <poz_> becuase I know nothing about firewalls and I feel that is not secure for some reason
[18:11] <u3> hello how are you
[18:12] <poz_> I am not sure what port forwarding is, but I dont understand why it needs to be changed just because I enabled my firewall
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> would dd clone a 1tb faster then regular data transfer from one to another drive?
[18:12] <Br|aN> anyone know how to crontab znc?
[18:12] <msdaisy> poz_: you want to block connections being initiated out on the internet. so block all incoming. if you don't have any services like ssh or lamp running then that would be good.
[18:13] <adamk> lotuspsychje: dd operates on the drive...  "regular data transfer" suggests something that interacts with the filesystem.
[18:13] <Prock81> poz_ because your router stops connections from being made
[18:13] <holstein> poz_: that is why, i suggested, and stated that i use the DMZ.. outside the routers firewall
[18:13] <msdaisy> poz_: you don't need port forwarding. if you set your firewall to allow all out then you are the only one that can initiate connections to other computers.
[18:14] <poz_> what somthing on my computer that should not be "phoning home" trys to...
[18:14] <adamk> lotuspsychje: Sorry, just saw that you weren
[18:15] <poz_> I always thought that my computer firewall and router firewall was different
[18:15] <adamk> lotuspsychje: asking "why" but wanted to know if dd would be faster.  Most likely, yes it would.
[18:15] <DylanCl> Hello. Anybody who is good at FFMPEG and streaming?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> adamk: tnx, does dd show progress of the transfer?
[18:15] <holstein> poz_: your router firewall is before all your computers, unless you are in the DMZ, or have the firewall on the router off
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !ask | DylanCl
[18:16] <adamk> lotuspsychje: Not that I know if, but you'd have to check the man page.  There are probably programs that use 'dd' that show progress, even if dd doesn't.
[18:16] <DylanCl> lotuspsychje: I can only show my problem when I stream so asking it is a problem.
[18:16] <msdaisy> poz_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871177 this is a discussion on why you would want a firewall and what it can do.
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> adamk: ok tnx mate
[18:16] <poz_> I thought so, but my router firewall is not a problem here. its on and does not cause a problem.... not sure what DMZ stands for
[18:17] <holstein> poz_: it stands for "outside the firewall", basically
[18:17] <Prock81> if an app say you got 30 days to use, where would it likely put the 30 day info
[18:17] <msdaisy> poz_: yes, computer and router firewalls are different. you need a firewall on your router. some say you need a firewall on your pc behind a router, some say you don't.
[18:18] <holstein> poz_: if you have upnp enabled, that might have allowed a connection through the firewall
[18:18] <holstein> poz_: upnp on the router, that is
[18:19] <Prock81> like a firewall to tell u whats going on with ports, is there a way to do that with files
[18:19] <Prock81> a filewall lol
[18:19] <holstein> !firewall
[18:20] <d> question?
[18:20] <MikeRL> trism: By some crazy way, I managed to fix my issue.
[18:20] <poz_> okay, well i am going to try some stuff. thanks for all of your help everyone!
[18:20] <DJones> !ask | Guest41815
[18:20] <Guest41815> d for dianelo
[18:20] <Guest41815> opps diangelo
[18:20] <okabe2> I just installed Ubuntu-GNOME and I got issues with firefox; When scrolling I see extreme screen tearing. Other programs seem to be unaffected by that. How can I fix that?
[18:21] <ezra-s> Is RewriteCond %{HTTP:Transfer-Econding} ^chunked a valid RewriteCond?
[18:21] <ezra-s> wops wrong window, sorry
[18:21] <Guest41815> i have a question regarding games on linux pepermint
[18:21] <msdaisy> poz_: There are no services running by default in ubuntu so allowing all out and blocking all in would suffice. but you can block all out and then open up the ports you need. it just takes some careful planning and testing.
[18:23] <holstein> Guest44759: this is the ubuntu support channel.. peppermint support is in #peppermint on spotchat
[18:24] <holstein> Guest44759: sorry.. the other guest has left..
[18:27] <belgianguy> ouch, I just had another "graphics driver" Ubuntu experience
[18:27] <belgianguy> glad I made it out alive
[18:28] <geri_> i install eclipse with cdt plugin...but it cant find g++...is it required to set any paths?
[18:28] <belgianguy> if there's one thing that bugs me, is that the graphical capabilities of my machine cannot be fully utilised without risking everything on it
[18:42] <lesshaste> how do I run ssh-agent before opening a shell?
[18:44] <MasterGeek> \o
[18:44] <lesshaste> or.. what's the correct way to run ssh-agent in ubuntu?
[18:45] <geri_> i installed eclipse with cdt plugin...but it cant find g++...is it required to set any paths?
[18:48] <theadmin> geri_: Eh, g++ installs to /usr/bin on Ubuntu, I don't know anything that wouldn't search there. But, are you sure g++ is actually installed?
[18:49] <geri_> theadmin g++ is installed in /usr/bin !
[18:50] <theadmin> geri_: Hamsters. Well, I'm not familiar with Eclipse, so mess around with settings I guess
[18:52] <lmat> I'm using schroot to create a chroot environment. It's currently sharing an home directory with the host environment.
[18:52] <lmat> I would like to *not* do that so that my stuff doesn't get messed up! How should I proceed?
[18:53] <lmat> I see a bunch of configuration in /etc/schroot
[18:53] <lmat> including what look like different profiles of creating the chroot environment (default, buildd, minimal, desktop, etc.)
[18:53] <lmat> And I see my environment in chroot.d/configuration.conf   But it doesn't say anything about the home directory (I think)
[18:54] <lmat> And when I set up my chroot environment, I don't remember specifying one of these templates.
[18:54] <lmat> Also, in the chroot, at /etc/fstab is a most uninteresting content:  # UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM
[18:58] <lmat> whoa, very quiet #ubuntu today...
[19:01] <click> hello all how do i extract logs in a specific time period like 19:00 to 23:00
[19:06] <androidHater> hi guys! can anyone tell me when a stable version of ubuntu touch will come one and if it will support my HTC Sensation? i really hate android and with every update it starts lagging more and more :(
[19:07] <prashant_123456> do i only need 64 bit ubuntu os to install on uefi, 32 bit ubuntu will install in uefi ??
[19:08] <theadmin> prashant_123456: The 32-bit Ubuntu version will NOT work in EFI.
[19:08] <theadmin> prashant_123456: There's also no reason whatsoever to run 32-bit if your hardware is 64-bit
[19:08] <fadfs> what's the command to check which partition should i reinstall grub ? i got 2 linux partition
[19:08] <fadfs> using fdisk -l
[19:08] <theadmin> fadfs: You install GRUB to the MBR, not to a partition (/dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)
[19:09] <prashant_123456> theadmin: so  i have to  download 64 bit os great
[19:09] <fadfs> oh ya
[19:09] <reisio> fadfs: whichever installation you install grub to the mbr from is the one that will control the booting of the others
[19:09] <theadmin> prashant_123456: Yep, pretty much.
[19:09] <prashant_123456> theadmin: good thanks
[19:09] <androidHater>  hi guys! can anyone tell me when a stable version of ubuntu touch will come one and if it will support my HTC Sensation? i really hate android and with every update it starts lagging more and more :(
[19:10] <reisio> androidHater: it'll probably only support the devices it ships with at first
[19:10] <holstein> !tablet | androidHater
[19:10] <lmat> click: You can parse dates to milliseconds since epoch, and do some maths that way.
[19:10] <reisio> I doubt they're going into the build-drivers-for-everything business
[19:10] <lmat> click: Either way it's not pleasant.
[19:11] <tom> Hallo
[19:11] <tom> Hola
[19:11] <tom> Bonjuro
[19:11] <reisio> androidHater: basically if someone's put a regular GNU/Linux distro on your phone already, you'll probably be able to put ubuntu touch on it
[19:11] <reisio> androidHater: and if not, probably not
[19:11] <prashant_123456> theadmin: does it matter if it is 13.04 or 12.04 lts ?
[19:11] <fadfs> `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot <---- got this
[19:11] <tom> 12.04 hab ich
[19:11] <theadmin> prashant_123456: Both work with EFI. I suggest using the LTS if you're a new user -- it has longer support and is more stable.
[19:12] <maheanuu> Good Morning, I am looking for somewhere I can find Linux Beginner Guides or Manuals in French so that I may start to teach some of our majority of unemployed people here a trade that might just be useful.  Anyone that knows where I can download these types of files?  I havent found any sites in french for this
[19:12] <click> lmat : I ter anyway using grep or sed for that.. this timestamps way crazy
[19:12] <prashant_123456> theadmin: i am having some experience in linux and currently having gentoo linux on some of my machines (desktop)
[19:12] <lmat> click: What does "I ter" mean?
[19:12] <jpds> maheanuu: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/
[19:13] <M4he> Hi guys! I want to create a symlink called /usr/bin/A that points to a binary /usr/bin/B. The problem is, when the symlink A is executed, it is listed as A in the list of processes but I want it to be listed as an instance of B. Any idea?
[19:13] <lduros> l
[19:13] <click> lmat: typo :)  is there
[19:13] <jpds> M4he: Use an alias instead.
[19:13] <M4he> jpds: what's the command for that?
[19:13] <theadmin> prashant_123456: Well, generally, the LTS has longer support and is more stable, whereas the regular releases have smaller support times (so you need to upgrade them more often/faster) and they may also have minor polish issues
[19:13] <jpds> M4he: alias A="B"
[19:14] <theadmin> prashant_123456: So your choice :D
[19:14] <usr13> ln -s /usr/bin/B /usr/bin/A
[19:14] <Deivid> I'm trying to find a good application for downloading videos. I found ClipGrab but the ppa it's not working. Using Ubuntu 13.04
[19:15] <M4he> usr13: that is what I'm doing right now and it does lead to the problem described
[19:15] <jpds> usr13: That's what he has an issue with.
[19:15] <reisio> Deivid: youtube-dl?
[19:15] <prashant_123456> theadmin: i need wi fi drivers out of the box and having hp 2000-2106tu laptop to be installed
[19:15] <Deivid> it's downloading only youtube videos!?
[19:15] <holstein> Deivid: ppa's arent supported, and "good" is a matter of opinion.. i would ask the content creators for a copy
[19:15] <lmat> click: I don't think so :)
[19:15] <theadmin> prashant_123456: Eh. HP is a partner of Canonical, everything should work out of the box on any release. Well, "should".
[19:15] <theadmin> prashant_123456: Test with the LiveCD to be sure.
[19:16] <lmat> click: You could hack it ... something like    find . -name '2013*' -exec echo {} \;
[19:16] <prashant_123456> theadmin: and for dell sir ?
[19:16] <jpds> theadmin: Only on certified hardware. :)
[19:16] <theadmin> jpds raises a valid point
[19:16] <lmat> click: If your log files are in a good format (yyyy-mm-dd hh, etc.) then ranges aren't too hard :)
[19:16] <theadmin> prashant_123456: Well, I'm running a Dell XPS 13Z myself, no complaints at all, everything just works
[19:16] <click> lmat : cat file | grep '(19:[0-9][0-9]|23:00):'  will it work???
[19:17] <theadmin> Err.
[19:17] <theadmin> 15Z*
[19:17] <M4he> jpds: The alias does work in terminal but I need it to work when some other applications calls "/usr/bin/A"
[19:17] <lmat> click: sure... but that's a useless use of cat :) better is    grep '19...' file
[19:18] <lmat> click: I'm not sure what you're expecting from the regex...I guess you're either looking for a 19.. year or 23:00 timestamp? (Sorry, I'm no regex king!)
[19:18] <prashant_123456> theadmin: dell inspiron 5110 ?
[19:19] <dell> 5520 :D
[19:19] <click> lmat : 19 also time stamp from 19 to 23
[19:19] <theadmin> prashant_123456: Not sure. Think those work, but again, it's best to test :D LiveCDs present a great opportunity to do so, just boot from CD and select "Try Ubuntu", then the full Ubuntu desktop will load, and you can see what works and what doesn't.
[19:20] <prashant_123456> theadmin: i have to tweak my uefi for installing ubuntu !! havent installed linux on uefi yet
[19:20] <auronandace> !uefi | prashant_123456
[19:21] <theadmin> prashant_123456: It's supposed to just work with the recent releases. Although you might be better off disabling secure boot and Windows "Fast boot"
[19:21] <trueneu> click, it will match 19:00: to 19:99: or 23:00: .
[19:21] <prashant_123456> theadmin: good idea and now i am downloading 13.04
[19:22] <click> lmat: dude thats not working anyways
[19:22] <click> :D
[19:22] <theadmin> prashant_123456: By recent releases I mean anything from 12.04 and up lol
[19:22] <fadfs> `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot <---- got this error
[19:22] <theadmin> prashant_123456: So the LTS would work too. Eh.
[19:22] <lmat> click: Start slow
[19:22] <lmat> click: What are you looking for?
[19:22] <lmat> oh, I see
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> fadfs, You might get the bootrepair app, and run the bootinfo summary only and post the the url to it for help, it helps to see what is really going on there.
[19:22] <lmat> click: First make sure grep 19[0-9][0-9] file   works.
[19:23] <click> lmat : m checking that :)
[19:23] <trueneu> click, lmat, what you guys want to match?
[19:23] <lmat> click: Then try to capture something else like     19[0-9][0-9].*20:
[19:23] <lmat> "19 also time stamp from 19 to 23"
[19:23] <prashant_123456> theadmin: great news i had a fear about what happened to samsung laptops they bricked when installing linux
[19:23] <lmat> trueneu: ^
[19:24] <lmat> prashant_123456: Are you saying they brick, or you feared that they brick?
[19:24] <trueneu> I can't get what first 19 means :)
[19:24] <lmat> trueneu: :)
[19:24] <prashant_123456> i feared that they brick lmat
[19:24] <lmat> trueneu: I think it means the first two digits of a year in the twentieth century
[19:24] <lmat> prashant_123456: And do they?
[19:25] <lmat> trueneu: And the rest is a timestamp ?    19[0-9][0-9].*(19|20):  ?
[19:25] <prashant_123456> lmat: yes i had news many months ago
[19:25] <prashant_123456> lmat: should i post the url here ?
[19:25] <lmat> prashant_123456: yeas yeas
[19:25] <trueneu> If you want to match 19h to 23h and you have time in %H:%M:%S you should use something like (19|2[0-3]):\d\d:\d\d, lmat
[19:25] <M4he> Solved my problem now, by creating a file ' /usr/bin/A ' with the content: ' B "$@" ' and making it executable.
[19:26] <lmat> click: ^
[19:26] <lmat> trueneu: Yeah, that looks right :D
[19:26] <lmat> trueneu: Do all flavors of grep handle \d ?
[19:26] <trueneu> lmat, click: then if there's somewhere a year... 19\d\d would match it. No, it's a Perl flavor syntax AFAIR.
[19:26] <prashant_123456> theadmin: is it required to tweak more in uefi or just disabling secure boot and Windows "Fast boot" will do the job ?
[19:27] <theadmin> !uefi | prashant_123456 -- you should read this for details, but in general those 2 should be enough.
[19:27] <trueneu> You can use [:digit:] if you want it to be POSIX compatible, lmat, click .
[19:27] <prashant_123456> theadmin: so this is the great news
[19:28] <prashant_123456> theadmin: thanks
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> prashant_123456, Here is a thread on the ubuntu forums which may be helpful, the author is on daily helping in this area, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[19:28] <click> trueneu:  i just need to extract a time stamp from a file command wont matter any method acceptable :)
[19:28] <lmat> trueneu: thanks
[19:28] <lmat> click: Are you getting there?
[19:28] <click> lmat : grep not working
[19:29] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: ok thanks
[19:29] <trueneu> click, what do you mean - not working? To use Perl flavor, add -P switch.
[19:30] <trueneu> lmat, np at all.
[19:30] <prashant_123456> wilee-nilee: lmat theadmin thanks bye for now !
[19:30] <circle> that sound right?
[19:31] <click> trueneu :  cat file grep -p   '(19:[0-6][0-9]:[0-6][0-9])' > 1.txt is that so ???
[19:33] <trueneu> click, you forgot the pipe. And it's capital P.
[19:33] <trueneu> click, more like 'cat file | grep -P '19:[0-6][0-9]:[0-6][0-9]' > 1.txt'
[19:34] <trueneu> (though you don't really need -P here)
[19:34] <trueneu> But it's no harm.
[19:35] <click> trueneu: no no its not working i fixed that
[19:37] <click> trueneu : lmat , the full time stamp is 19:00:00 its containes seconds also
[19:37] <areckx> so I just installed a program using ./configure make make install and am wondering how to remove it
[19:38] <OerHeks> areckx, a good make-install does an uninstall too.
[19:39] <theadmin> areckx: make uninstall, maybe. The next time, use "checkinstall" instead of "make install", because that'll build a Debian package you can just remove with apt-get
[19:40] <areckx> theadmin:  right, found it on google
[19:40] <OerHeks> ah make install is not automatic build, theadmin ?
[19:40] <OerHeks> *uninstall
[19:40] <areckx> theadmin:  I'll remember that, OerHeks  some packages don't include an uninstall
[19:41] <gustav___> Hello guys. Can I salt /dev/urandom?
[19:43] <fadfs> how to check if the partition is primary ?
[19:44] <zipy> sudo pvcreate /dev/sdb/
[19:44] <zipy>   Device /dev/sdb/ not found (or ignored by filtering). <-- does someone know why it got filtered out?
[19:45] <zipy> or how to get it removed from filter
[19:47] <gustav___> Isn't SSD a huge security problem? I mean isn't SSD data never removed, it's always just written in another place and repointed?
[19:47] <zipy> the filter in lvm.conf is "a/.*/" can i just remove it?
[19:48] <Zaku> I have
[19:48] <Zaku> hacked into MarkMonitor
[19:48] <Zaku> since ages.
[19:48] <Zaku> and I can easily hack ubuntu.com
[19:48] <holstein> gustav___: i dont think that is indicative of ssd.. i think thats how data is written to hard drives, unless you change that
[19:48] <Zaku> and change their DNS-registrars.
[19:48] <Zaku> wanna see that, holstein?
[19:48] <FloodBot1> Zaku: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:48] <holstein> Guest84249: see what?
[19:48] <Guest84249> holstein; who is more superior in the IT-field, hackers or programmers?
[19:49] <holstein> Guest84249: no thanks.. keep the channel clear for support questions.. please
[19:49] <gustav___> holstein: I mean SSD is in it's hardware made to work like that. A sector is written once then the next read is in another sector yet they're called the same so sector A moves between spaces 1...N.
[19:49] <DJones> Guest84249: Thats not really a topic for the Ubuntu support channels
[19:49] <utusan> fadfs: try using gparted or any partition editor
[19:49] <Guest84249> DJones, ubuntu.com is vulnerable to a variety of attacks, mainly RFI.
[19:49] <holstein> gustav___: i have been able to get data from hard drives like that.. after being formatted.. or whatever.. again, i dont think that is an ssd only thing
[19:49] <Guest84249> which allows me to execute commands on your server.
[19:50] <Guest84249> DJones, any way I can talk to the maintainer of ubuntu.com and help them fix the vulnerabilities?
[19:50] <holstein> Guest84249: please go to the offtopic channel.. when you refer to "your" server, that owner is not here
[19:50] <gustav___> holstein: Even if you write over an SSD 1000000 times it will still keep the first information. I'm hoping I've understood it wrong.
[19:50] <Guest84249> SSD is a part of your wonderful IT-life, gustav.
[19:50] <holstein> gustav___: try it and see.. if its overwritten, its over written
[19:50] <Guest84249> holstein, are you aware of webcamstudio?
[19:51] <Guest84249> I need help with v4l2loopback.
[19:51] <holstein> Guest84249: do you need assistance with it?
[19:51] <gustav___> Guest84249: Yeah... unless it stores information I'm trying to write over...
[19:51] <Guest84249> Yes, holstein.
[19:51] <TJNII_> I stopped and started UFW on my server, and on start it set my input policy to DROP with no chains.  None of the jumps to the ufw chains were written.  Is there a command to force a complete reinitialization of the firewall?
[19:51] <Guest84249> Holstein, it shows "no output" on the bottom.
[19:51] <Guest84249> why is that, holstein?
[19:51] <Guest84249> The virtual-webcam is not created due to "no output"
[19:51] <gustav___> holstein: Too cumbersome. I don't want to destroy my SSD and I don't have the tools to restore data from it so I can't check if it's still on the SSD.
[19:51] <holstein> Guest84249: start it from the command line, and see if you see any helpful output.. is the cam working otherwise?
[19:51] <DJones> Guest84249: Just email them at the address on the website, they'll pass any info on to the relevant people
[19:52] <holstein> gustav___: that is how i would confirm. i would run tests on my own... otherwise, you are not mentioning anything that i didnt think affected normal hard drives
[19:52] <zolstein> I typed "modprobe webcamstudio" and that works perfectly
[19:52] <zolstein> and starting it from webcamstudio opens it, but still "no output"
[19:52] <holstein> zolstein: can you use the webcam with anything else? cheese or vlc?
[19:53] <zolstein> holstein, no sir. I believe you do not understand me, I want to create a virtual webcam which can display images such as GIFs on it, like typing "v4l2loopback" creates /dev/video1 and on.
[19:54] <gustav___> holstein: What I mean is and what differs from regular spinning disks is that a sector is not written OVER it's written anew and pointed to the new data. So it's like it's burned in the first time and a pointer says which is the current copy. I'm not talking about FS or anything now.
[19:55] <holstein> gustav___: ask in a hardware channel, or the manufacturer of your disk.. otherwise, unless one of us tests it, we are speculating.. what you are explaining sounds to me like *any* disk
[19:57] <rlw> ?
[19:57] <rlw> my wirless icon isn't showing
[19:57] <rlw> ?
[19:57] <zolstein> holstein, anything?
[19:57] <zolstein> rlw, I'm an expert in wicd shit, what do you need help with?
[19:57] <ikonia> zolstein: tone down the langauge please.
[19:57] <holstein> zolstein: are you able to use the webcam with something like cheese or vlc?
[19:57] <gustav___> holstein: Looks like I'm banging my head against wear leveling which just is a software feature or whatever.
[19:58] <holstein> !language | zolstein
[19:58] <zolstein> holstein; yes.
[19:58] <holstein> zolstein: when i used webcam studio, it was buggy.. and i think it is not supported any longer.. i found google hangouts replaced the funcitonality for me. could that be the case for you?
[19:58] <rlw> Okay lol thanks, where the battery showing because i'm using Ubuntu 13.04, and the Internet Icon has gone
[19:59] <holstein> rlw: try logging in as another user or guest to see if the config is the issue
[19:59] <mc___> .
[19:59] <zolstein> rlw, try "rfkill unblock all"
[19:59] <zolstein> your hardware must be blocking that or something.
[19:59] <zolstein> holstein, I want to create a video-loopback.
[19:59] <holstein> zolstein: i would do that with vlc
[19:59] <rlw> Okay lol thanks, where the battery showing because i'm using Ubuntu 13.04, and the Internet Icon has gone
[20:00] <zolstein> holstein, any command for that?
[20:00] <zolstein> on /dev/video1
[20:00] <holstein> zolstein: its a GUI.. you can just open the application
[20:00] <ikonia> rlw: you've said it 3 times now
[20:00] <holstein> !info vlc
[20:00] <rlw> Other thing I was going to ask is when Ubuntu 13.10 gets relesed WOULD I! lost all of my apps, data, etc
[20:00] <rlw> When I wish I never download Ubuntu then
[20:01] <ikonia> rlw: no, you won't lose that
[20:01] <rlw> The command line is confusing
[20:01] <ikonia> rlw: don't use it then
[20:01] <holstein> rlw: you shouldnt need it
[20:01] <rlw> Coudl I download menus software to configure it]
[20:01] <rlw> *Could
[20:01] <holstein> rlw: how about when you login as guest? or as another user?
[20:01] <ikonia> rlw: https://help.ubuntu.com - it will teach you hose to use ubuntu
[20:02] <ikonia> how to "use" sorry
[20:03] <rlw> I've done that just now and nope
[20:03] <holstein> rlw: done what? and nope what?
[20:03] <rlw> I can't switch to my ISP
[20:03] <ikonia> rlw: 1.) is your wireless card detected by ubuntu, yes/no
[20:03] <rlw> Switch to the Guest Session
[20:03] <rlw> and the icon isn't still showing
[20:03] <rlw> yes
[20:03] <ikonia> rlw: how do you know
[20:04] <dhci> does ubuntu include a package similar to Mathematica or a near equivalent?
[20:04] <rlw> It's was showing the other day, Tuesday just gone
[20:04] <holstein> rlw: are you connected via wireless? if you have no wifi device configured or turned on, you wont see an icon
[20:04] <ikonia> rlw: ok - is it detected now ?
[20:04] <holstein> rlw: did you upgrade? and lose it?
[20:04] <rlw> I typed in Command: sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:04] <holstein> rlw: why?
[20:04] <rlw> I then I think that wiped every off there
[20:05] <jdoles> dhci: that's a question which is very hard to answer.
[20:05] <jdoles> dhci: it requires someone who is both an expert Mathematica user and an expert user of other such programs.
[20:05] <holstein> rlw: if you broke the system, you'll ned to fix it.. please elaboarate about what *exactly* you ran,.. when and why
[20:06] <holstein> dhci: there are many package managers
[20:06] <dhci> jdoles true and I haven't used much of any of them. i'd like something that can work with binomial trees, perhaps a condensed expression that can do it
[20:06] <jdoles> dhci: generally expert Mathematica users aren't expert in all such other systems too and hence nobody will ever be able to tell you the right answer.
[20:06] <rlw> I typed in Command: sudo apt-get autoremove then after that I had no menu show then after that I had to install software to get the menu back then, the wireless icon jsut goes
[20:06] <rlw> *just
[20:06] <jdoles> dhci: binomial trees sound like someonthing that e.g. Axiom or Maxima would have implemented.
[20:07] <holstein> rlw: did you note what was being removed?
[20:07] <zipy> is it possible to add an existing ext4 partition to lvm?
[20:07] <jdoles> dhci: in my experience, there is always some library available somewhere that does what Mathematica does.
[20:07] <jdoles> dhci: the advantage of Mathematica is that everything is in one nice package.
[20:07] <dhci> ok thanks. i could look for a library too, that's a good point
[20:07] <rlw> nope
[20:07] <ikonia> zipy: not without losing the data on that partition
[20:07] <zipy> damn
[20:07] <jhansonxi> What package is ssl_crtd in?  It's not in squid3 and dpkg-query isn't finding anything.
[20:07] <zolstein> is everybody atheist here?
[20:07] <zolstein> like man, I am atheist.
[20:07] <zolstein> are you guys atheist too?
[20:07] <ikonia> zolstein: that is nothing to do with this channel
[20:08] <DJones> !ot | zolstein
[20:08] <holstein> rlw: that will be key to not breaking the system in the future.. *dont* run commands like that that you dont understand
[20:08] <ikonia> zolstein: please stay on ubuntu support discussion in this channel
[20:08] <zolstein> djones, but are you?
[20:08] <holstein> rlw: try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager
[20:08] <zolstein> alright sorry guys
[20:08] <holstein> rlw: could be as easy as reinstalling sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome ,assuming thats what was removed
[20:09] <TJNII_> Anyone know why ufw disable && ufw enable wouldn't populate the INPUT chain?
[20:09] <rlw> ok im doing that know
[20:10] <TheUsD> When booting up Ubuntu is looking for a folder /mnt/2tb1  (was a raid1) and asks me if I want to skip, wait, or mount manually. I deleted the raid and its folder /mnt/2tb1 on purpose, but cant keep ubuntu from coming up with this error on bootup.
[20:11] <ikonia> TheUsD: remove it from /etc/fstab
[20:11] <rlw> I've installed that, and still nothing
[20:12] <holstein> rlw: have you started it?
[20:12] <rlw> ohow????
[20:12] <rlw> *How??
[20:12] <TheUsD> ikonia: I have a etc/fstab.d/ folder, same thing?
[20:12] <holstein> rlw: maybe nm-applet
[20:12] <ikonia> TheUsD: do you not have /etc/fstab
[20:12] <TheUsD> ikonia: no
[20:12] <holstein> rlw: i dont know, and you cant tell me what was removed or broken, so we just have to be patient and see
[20:13] <rlw> holstien: I'm getting errors see: ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area ** Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon  ** (nm-applet:22535): WARNING **: Failed to register as an agent: (32) No session found for uid 0
[20:13] <holstein> rlw: and, do you have an applet?
[20:13] <ikonia> TheUsD: that would seem VERY odd
[20:14] <ikonia> TheUsD: I'm surprised your machine boots at all
[20:14] <holstein> rlw: you cant type "hol" and hit the tab key to autocomplete my nick.. and any nick similarily
[20:14] <rlw> I don't know should I install in holstein
[20:14] <ikonia> TheUsD: if you do "ls -la /etc/fstab what is the error
[20:14] <rlw> *It
[20:15] <TheUsD> ikonia in order I have   etc/foomatic/,   etc/fstab.d/  and then etc/gconf/
[20:15] <TheUsD> ikonia: let me check.
[20:15] <holstein> rlw: when you run "nm-applet" do you get the applet back?
[20:16] <rlw> nope just errors holstein
[20:16] <TheUsD> I guess I am not typing the command right, all I type in is             sudo ls-la /etc/fstab                  right?
[20:16] <holstein> rlw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager outlines what you need, and how to start it
[20:17] <ikonia> TheUsD: just type "ls -la /etc/fstab
[20:17] <holstein> rlw: at this point, for you, it might be easiest to just try logging out and back in, or try rebooting
[20:17] <TheUsD> ikonia: I did both, "command not found"
[20:17] <ikonia> TheUsD: show me the exact command you typed
[20:17] <rlw> ok thanks holstein
[20:18] <ikonia> TheUsD: cut and paste it from your terminal, show me what you typed
[20:18] <TheUsD> ikonia: just removed the space between la and /etc
[20:18] <TheUsD> administrator@fs01:~$ ls-la/etc/fstab
[20:18] <TheUsD> bash: ls-la/etc/fstab: No such file or directory
[20:18] <ikonia> TheUsD: "ls -la /etc/fstab" exactly like that
[20:19] <columb> How do I skip this window? It's ignores Enter. http://i.imgur.com/o9x6rGw.png
[20:19] <saiarcot895> TheUsD: in other words, keep the spaces
[20:19] <DJones> columb: Try tab & enter
[20:19] <DJones> columb: tab should highlight the ok button
[20:19] <zipy> ikonia, it always says Device /dev/sdb not found (or ignored by filtering). my filter is filter = [ "a/.*/", "r|/dev/cdrom|" ]
[20:20] <columb> DJones, thanks.
[20:20] <TheUsD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847896/
[20:20] <ikonia> zipy: what does ?
[20:20] <ikonia> TheUsD: the file is there !!!!
[20:22] <zipy> i get an error when i want to create a physical volume: "Device /dev/sdb not found (or ignored by filtering)." my filter in lvm.conf is: "filter = [ "a/.*/", "r|/dev/cdrom|" ]"
[20:22] <ikonia> zipy: ls -la /dev/sdb
[20:22] <TheUsD> ikonia: does it not show up in filesystem? (gui)
[20:22] <ikonia> TheUsD: should do
[20:22] <zipy> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 Jul  5 22:12 /dev/sdb
[20:22] <ikonia> zipy: sudo pvcreate /dev/sdb"
[20:22] <ikonia> oops
[20:22] <ikonia> zipy: "sudo pvcreate /dev/sdb"
[20:23] <zipy> ye then i get the error
[20:23] <TheUsD> ikonia: thats what I was referring to when I said it does not show up.
[20:23] <zipy> Device /dev/sdb not found (or ignored by filtering).
[20:23] <ikonia> TheUsD: sorry - just realise who you are I'm going to leave this there
[20:23] <TheUsD> ikonia: so do I gedit the file?
[20:23] <ikonia> TheUsD: apologies, not progressing this further.
[20:24] <ikonia> zipy: ok, can you please "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb" please.
[20:24] <TheUsD> ikonia: can I ask why? who am I? lol
[20:24] <ikonia> zipy: (use a pastebin please).
[20:24] <ikonia> TheUsD: I'll send you a pm to not disrupt the channel if that's ok
[20:24] <TheUsD> thats fine.
[20:25] <zipy> it says its a GPT partition talbe
[20:25] <zipy> guess that is the problem
[20:25] <zipy> shall i use gnu parted?
[20:26] <ikonia> zipy: that shouldn't cause a problem
[20:26] <ikonia> zipy: is there any partitions on it ?
[20:26] <zipy> pastebin.com/7v8nLHRb
[20:26] <zipy> no i deleted all
[20:27] <ikonia> zipy: can you show me the output of parted
[20:27] <zolstein> ikonia, how can I upgrade to Ubuntu 13.
[20:27] <xangua> zolstein: with the update manager normally
[20:27] <riegersn> Have a HFS+ (Non-Journaled) external drive. ubuntu 12.10 continues to mount it in read-only mode. is it possible to mount this drive in read/write?
[20:27] <zolstein> where is that, xangua
[20:27] <asandweech> !upgrade
[20:29] <zipy> http://pastebin.com/rX5QfrBr
[20:29] <ikonia> zipy: that really shouldn't cause the problem, but I wonder if it is
[20:30] <ikonia> zipy: can you try creating a partition that is the whole of the disk, then add /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sdb
[20:30] <ikonia> zipy: I'm just doing a little research to check this,
[20:32] <karlmh> OK, i just bought a brand new laptop, intel core i3 processor.. why does it say i'm supposed to download the amd .iso  ?
[20:32] <DJones> karlmh: amd got to 64 bit first, so its just a generic name
[20:33] <ikonia> karlmh: amd = 64bit, it's bad wording
[20:33] <zipy> ikonia, with sdb1 it works
[20:33] <zipy> strange
[20:33] <ikonia> zipy: interesting, thank you for checking, I'll research this more
[20:33] <ikonia> gpt should not cause a problem.
[20:34] <zipy> where do u look it up?
[20:34] <zipy> want to checkt that too
[20:34] <ikonia> zipy: the lvm2 documentation and code
[20:41] <Luke23> evening
[20:42] <Layke> I installed a package (nginx) from PPA a few months ago, then I decided I wanted to install from source and did a build. Build was playing up, so I decided to stop... and removed it. Then my PPA instlal stopped working, so I apt-get remove nginx, and then decided to install it again
[20:42] <Layke> But when I apt-get install nginx
[20:42] <Layke> Nothing gets added back to /etc/nginx
[20:42] <holstein> !ppa
[20:43] <Layke> !ppa-purge
[20:43] <Layke> holstein, Not sure what exactly you were pointing me to? That my question is unsupported?
[20:44] <holstein> Layke: ppa's are not officially supported.. you might try the server channel too, or nginx specific support
[20:47] <Layke> Okay. I don't feel it's a PPA issue though. Seems more like an aptitude issue. doing an apt-get install doesn't do anything
[20:47] <ryankask> HI. A program is starting (and crashing) every time I log in. How can I stop it?
[20:47] <holstein> Layke: apt-get update complete with no errors?
[20:47] <Layke> The /etc/<packagename> doesn't get added. After I obviously mistakently deleted it manually
[20:47] <Layke> Yeah it did
[20:48] <holstein> what is the error when trying to install?
[20:48] <Layke> None. It says it's installed fine
[20:48] <zipy> ikonia, did u find sth out yet?
[20:48] <zipy> btw ty very much, it works now ;)
[20:48] <Layke> holstein, Feels like maybe there is some aptitude cache? That I need to clear?
[20:48] <Layke> I don't know how things work
[20:49] <ikonia> zipy: it will take a while, lvm is a big project in terms of looking at this
[20:49] <holstein> Layke: if its installing, its installing.. if you get no errors and the application is installed, its installed.. its intalling the ppa version of the application which could be broken
[20:50] <zipy> ikonia, http://sourceware.org/lvm2/ <- am i right here?
[20:51] <zipy> manpages
[20:51] <usr13> Layke: ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list  #You'll see last installed package at bottom of list.
[20:52] <Layke> It's just peculiar, if I do a remove nginx, then install nginx, the install completes really quickly
[20:52] <Layke> Way too quick to have downloaded anything
[20:54] <auronandace> Layke: the package is in the cache, so it doesn't get downloaded again
[20:54] <usr13> Layke: And if you read the last file, you'll see what / where it was installed.
[20:54] <usr13> Layke: (It's just a text file.)
[20:54] <Layke> /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.list
[20:54] <Layke> For example
[20:55] <usr13> Layke: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.list
[20:59] <Peyam> anybody running Voyager here?
[21:06] <guntbert> !anyone | pey
[21:09] <MOUD> Hey all
[21:10] <MOUD> how can I install VLC 2.0.7? in the Ubuntu Software Center only has 2.0.6
[21:10] <Wulfram> I'm using virtual box and am trying to install my copy of windows in a virtual machine. It is asking me for disc 2 and when I insert it it continues to ask for disc 2. Any help?
[21:11] <guntbert> Wulfram: how is that ubuntu related?
[21:11] <Wulfram> guntbert: I'm on an Ubuntu box?
[21:11] <Wulfram> Hey, maybe someone knows. It doesn't hurt to ask
[21:11] <holstein> Wulfram: remount the disk or grab them as isos
[21:11] <ss_haze> MOUD: there is this thing called debian package and it has this extension .deb, go and find your 2.0.7 in VLC homepage
[21:11] <Wulfram> thanks holstein
[21:12] <custom_1> yeah
[21:12] <guntbert> Wulfram: for virtualbox support there is #vbox :)
[21:12] <voila> I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 .. its irritating with thunderbird .. I can see new mails only when I click on mail option in notification applet .. only then thunderbirds loads mail
[21:12] <usr13> MOUD: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[21:12] <MOUD> ss_haze: ok, I'm checking, thanks
[21:12] <Wulfram> Thanks guntbert
[21:12] <custom_1> im use 13.04 and i want to know how to get genome classic on it
[21:13] <MOUD> usr13: it only directs me to the older version
[21:13] <voila> custom_1: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/03/return-to-gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[21:14] <usr13> MOUD: http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/
[21:15] <custom_1> voila thanks  you , are you sure this works on ubuntu 13.04
[21:15] <voila> why thunderbird not laoding mails without clicking on mail icon on notification applet
[21:15] <voila> :( :@
[21:15] <usr13> !compile | MOUD
[21:15] <Wulfram> MOUD: When you click the link on this page (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) it redirects you?
[21:17] <MOUD> Wulfram: it shows to download VLC 2.0.7 but when I click on the link it goes to the Ubuntu Center (where the old version is)
[21:17] <karlmh> dude i'm psyched :) 15.6 widescreen, 6gb ram, 500 hd, intel i3
[21:17] <karlmh> ubuntu install as we speak
[21:17] <MOUD> I'm doing  "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/stable-daily"
[21:19] <MOUD> how do I move the shortcut bar from the left to the right side?
[21:21] <thomas001> hi, is it possible to unlock a dm-crypt encrypted home partition during the login process of a user? similar to the way ecryptfs unlocking is handled
[21:21] <MOUD> update: my VLC version is 2.0.8 (instead of 2.0.7 from the VLC homepage)
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> MOUD  raring has vlc 2.0.6, you should check the homepage to know "what's new"
[21:32] <liquidmetal> how do I run a tcl script when xchat starts up? (to identify my nick)
[21:33] <MOUD> MonkeyDust: I just installed the latest version, thanks anyway :)
[21:33] <Sinistry> After trying several distributions I finally have Ubuntu running next to winxp, but I really want Mint... This seems a little slower.  When I tried to boot from USB using mint4win it never made it past my hardware/devices screen (the screen I generally see for just a second before the boot logo screen... Any idea why Mint is being so difficult?
 I've tried several distributions, various versions of 13 and 15 including Mate, Olivia (which I think was the Mate install), etc... Is there a specific distribution that I would need for an older (8 years) pc?
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> Sinistry  what's 15?
[21:34] <Sinistry> I'm total noob so my best guess is Olivia
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> Sinistry  that's Mint
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> try Lubuntu on an old pc
[21:35] <Sinistry> I did try Lubuntu and I may go back to it, save I always had to type command "exit" (after a long list of error here and killed this or that) in order to get to the boot screen
[21:36] <MacroMan> I'm getting quite confused here. Everyone says Ubuntu doesn't come with a DNS cahce, but if I do "dig example.com", the results clearly show they've originated from 127.0.0.1 (localhost). This is causing me some problems with DNS, namely, how do I clear this cache when it apparently doesn't exist?
[21:36] <Sinistry> This is the first distro I've had run smoothly and easily...
[21:36] <MonkeyDust> Sinistry  great, use the distro that suits you
[21:36] <Sinistry> I'd like Mint to go this well, lol
[21:37] <Sinistry> lol....I can't
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> Sinistry  also great, but not supported here
[21:37] <saiarcot895> MacroMan: I believe that's sort of a backward-compatible DNS server that might be used by programs
[21:37] <Sinistry> That's why I'm here... I want Mint but it won't install
[21:37] <guntbert> Sinistry: mint is not supported here
[21:37] <Sinistry> oh...lol...sorry, I thought I was in Linux help...my mistake... thanks
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> Sinistry  we can help help you with ubuntu, but not with mint
[21:38] <saiarcot895> MacroMan: wait, is it 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.1.1 for you?
[21:38] <Sinistry> anyone know a dedicated Mint channel?
[21:38] <ikonia> Sinistry: have you even read the mint web page ?
[21:39] <MacroMan> saiarcot895, 127.0.0.1
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> Sinistry  linuxmint.com, community, chat room
[21:39] <MacroMan> I have a LAMP stack installed by tasksel if that makes a difference.
[21:39] <saiarcot895> MacroMan: no idea if that makes a difference, but in my case, it's 127.0.1.1
[21:40] <saiarcot895> MacroMan: in either case, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a DNS cache
[21:40] <Sinistry> I've been trying to soak up so much the past week I couldn't say for sure but I'm confident that I've hit all the popular sites
[21:40] <MacroMan> The problem I'm having just seems to be local. I've updated the DNS on my domain, which is fine for everyone else, but my computer tried to load the old IP address still.
[21:41] <Sinistry> nm though...I'll look elsewhere... thanks.
[21:41] <bahedo> hello everybody i need we help
[21:41] <brontosaurusrex> MacroMan, anything weird in your /etc/hosts ?
[21:41] <guntbert> !ask | bahedo
[21:42] <MacroMan> brontosaurusrex, Just some locally defined stuff for development addresses. Will a paste help?
[21:42] <Carlgo11> Hi! I'm having a bit of a hard time with GRUB boot loader. It won't install itself. I managed to find a debug window though I can't transfer it so I took a noob pic of it. http://sadpanda.us/images/1715538-X81LKII.jpg
[21:42] <brontosaurusrex> MacroMan, sure
[21:43] <DaboRoss_> Carlgo11, I jsut looked at that again and realized something
[21:43] <DaboRoss_> oh wait, nvm
[21:43] <MacroMan> /etc/hosts: http://pastie.org/8113943
[21:43] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, EFI, boot up a livecd of Ubuntu and install Boot-Repair
[21:44] <DaboRoss_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:44] <MacroMan> So 127.0.1.1 seems to be my loopback and 127.0.0.1 seems to be for my local apache server. Seems apache maybe doing some caching.
[21:44] <Carlgo11> ok
[21:44] <click> MacroMan : did you add your dns server address in /etc/resolv.conf
[21:45] <MacroMan> click, All that is in /etc/resolv.conf is "nameserver 127.0.0.1"
[21:45] <MacroMan> I've never edited that file before.
[21:46] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, Boot-Repair should say "EFI detected <bla bla>" then just go into the advanced options and click on purge bootloader and Apply, that SHOULD fix the problem.
[21:46] <click> MacroMan : well change that ip with your dns ip
[21:46] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, if it says Boot-Repair failed, reboot anyway and see if the computer boots. < Postinstall bug.
[21:46] <Carlgo11> ok thx :)
[21:47] <MacroMan> click, It does say at the top of the file "#     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN"
[21:47] <strange> hey guys i tried to install a deb with dpkg -i and then it told me to apt-get -f install but after that it tried to remove alot of packages so i didnt give the go ahead for that, but now whenever i want to run a apt command it stil wants to continue on those packages how do i remove the .deb i wanted to install so i can use apt normally
[21:48] <zonne> hi is anyway available to help me with my system?
[21:48] <MacroMan> zonne, Yes, just ask away.
[21:48] <zonne> thanks
[21:48] <click> MacroMan : you can edit the file as root
[21:48] <DaboRoss_> !ask | zonne
 just do apt-get remove [name of the package you were trying to install]
[21:48] <zonne> my friend recently installed unbuntu and windows 7 on my older small laptop
[21:48] <bahedo_> do u c my cuestion?
[21:49] <zonne> how do I switch back to windows
[21:49] <DaboRoss_> which did you install first?
[21:49] <Kitt3n> strange, what .deb package did you try to install?
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> DaboRoss_  do you get a grub menu?
[21:49] <zonne> unbuntu is the primary operating system
[21:49] <strange> Kitt3n: splashtop
[21:49] <zonne> i believe he installed it throw windows
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> zonne   do you get a grub menu?   (wrong person, sorry)
[21:49] <DaboRoss_> ah
[21:49] <zonne> through
[21:49] <DaboRoss_> did he use wubi?
[21:49] <zonne> know
[21:49] <zonne> no grub menu
[21:50] <Kitt3n> strange, could you run the apt-get install -f command and paste the output?
[21:50] <MonkeyDust> zonne  wubi? if yes, that's not a rea installation
[21:50] <MacroMan> click, OK. I don't really understand why I should change this or what to?
[21:50] <MonkeyDust> real*
[21:50] <DaboRoss_> zonne: Is it a wubi install?
[21:50] <strange> Kitt3n: think so
[21:50] <Kitt3n> !paste | strange
[21:50] <zonne> it is well installed of that I'm certain I just don't know the tech stuff...zero in fact
[21:50] <zonne> and I know he put both on my  laptop
[21:51] <OerHeks> zonne hold shift @ boot to enter grub menu and choose windows
[21:51] <bahedo_> i cant sincronize my piddgin+sipe to lync office 2013 someone know how
[21:51] <DaboRoss_> zonne: Did he install it through a .exe file from within windows, or through a live cd/usb/dvd?
[21:51] <zonne> shift @boot?
[21:51] <Matisse> spyderlib is currently pretty old on ubuntu. for i am using precise its over 1 year older than the current stable... what can I do else but compiling from source?
[21:51] <zonne> do I type in boot?
[21:51] <zonne> am a totally duh here
[21:51] <DaboRoss_> just hold the shift key while booting
[21:51] <MonkeyDust> zonne  have you asked your friend what s/he did?
[21:52] <Matisse> shouldnt quantal-backports give me the quantal-version?
[21:52] <zonne> can't get ahold of him
[21:52] <OerHeks> zonne @boot like starting your machine
[21:52] <zonne> he lives in adifferent city
[21:52] <zonne> ok will try
[21:52] <zonne> brb
[21:52] <strange> Kitt3n: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5848108/
[21:52] <zipy> i created a lvm volume http://pastebin.com/rNtX4WHp  but when i try "sudo fdisk /dev/zipy-server-data/" i get this error: last_lba(): I don't know how to handle files with mode 40755
[21:53] <Matisse> which is 2.1.10something  instead of 2.1.9
[21:53] <Kitt3n> strange, yah, DONT do that
[21:53] <bahedo_> hello everybody helpme pleas
[21:53] <strange> yeah thats what i didnt do :)
[21:53] <strange> i figured that'd be a really bad idea hehe
[21:54] <bahedo_> i cant sincronize my piddgin+sipe to lync office 2013 someone know how
[21:54] <lando-pc> hey, I need a bit of help with something. I have  a bell turbo stick. It seems that ubuntu is not even recognizing it. How can I use it to get internet?
[21:54] <MacroMan> !ask | bahedo_
[21:55] <lando-pc> so, I guess noone can help here?
[21:56] <zipy> i created a lvm volume http://pastebin.com/rNtX4WHp  but when i try "sudo fdisk /dev/zipy-server-data/" i get this error: last_lba(): I don't know how to handle files with mode 40755
[21:56] <paulo> lando-pc: is it brand Novatel?
[21:56] <bahedo_> ok thank u for nothing
[21:57] <Kitt3n> !patience | bahedo_
[21:57] <lando-pc> paulo: idk the model :/. Ill go and find the manual....
[21:58] <paulo> lando_pc I did a simple google search and found tons of results with how to make it work in linux/ubuntu
[21:58] <paulo> lando_pc: I did a simple google search and found tons of results with how to make it work in linux/ubuntu
[21:58] <paulo> dang
[21:58] <paulo> lando-pc: I did a simple google search and found tons of results with how to make it work in linux/ubuntu
[21:58] <Carlgo11> don't spam paulo
[21:59] <paulo> Carlgoll: sorry I mistyped the username several times :)
[21:59] <paulo> just like it happened again
[21:59] <zonne> am back
[21:59] <MonkeyDust> paulo  then show a link to help the user
[21:59] <zonne> ok I found the grub
[21:59] <zonne> and clicked the windows 7 loader
[21:59] <paulo> MonkeyDust: the link is google.com
[21:59] <zonne> it said no such device
[22:00] <zonne> now what?
[22:00] <zonne> please and thank  you
[22:00] <Kitt3n> zonne, the windows 7 bootloader is broken then.
[22:00] <MonkeyDust> !google | paulo
[22:00] <zonne> okee dookee
[22:00] <lando-pc> okay, ill look it up
[22:00] <zonne> so I'm s.o.l.?
[22:00] <paulo> ok, getting used to the rules here :)
[22:00] <Kitt3n> zonne, boot up a livecd of Ubuntu and install Boot-Repair.
[22:01] <zonne> this lap top doesnt take cd
[22:01] <Kitt3n> zonne, USB?
[22:01] <zonne> yes it has usb
[22:01] <strange> Kitt3n: any suggestions?
[22:02] <zonne> this lap top used to have windows
[22:02] <lando-pc> zonne: external drive? You can get 'em for like 20$ sometimes
[22:02] <Kitt3n> strange, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[22:02] <lando-pc> also, *laptop
[22:02] <zonne> oh I have
[22:02] <zonne> ok so thats the solution then
[22:02] <zonne> I like ubuntu
[22:02] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: So should I just make the iso bootable and reboot the server?
[22:02] <paulo> lando-pc: see here http://bit.ly/10ECwlo and here http://bit.ly/14YRvWE
[22:02] <zonne> but am having issues with downloading and stuff
[22:03] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, Server? What. Okay, what are you trying to set up?
[22:03] <zonne> tried transmission and i have it but
[22:03] <Crossbow> Hi, I've recently installed Ubuntu. And so far I'm loving it, but could anyone point me in the direction of some tutorials for learning some more about Ubuntu. Maybe some command line stuff?
[22:03] <zonne> when i press get this torrent nothing happens
[22:03] <Kitt3n> Crossbow, for once, I am going to say google it, or check on YouTube for ubuntu tutorials. :)
[22:03] <strange> Kitt3n: http://pastebin.com/WuEAksey
[22:04] <zonne> haaaaaa ok thanks kitt
[22:04] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: My grub boot loader doesn't work. you told me to get boot repair disk.iso. So I'm asking if I should put it on a usb and make it bootable then restart my server
[22:04] <MacroMan> Crossbow, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[22:04] <lando-pc> paulo: will do.
[22:05] <paulo> lando-pc: once you find the model I can help you find more info, those two links I sent you seem a bit old and they may not work with the latest ubuntu
[22:05] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, Boot-Repair is a graphical program, it won't run on a livecd of Ubuntu server. Get an Ubuntu desktop iso and boot up on the computer with the server.
[22:05] <Carlgo11> oh
[22:05] <Carlgo11> crap. its a rack server :(
[22:05] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, again, what are you setting up? Are you just testing?
[22:05] <afflicto> how do I "search" for a package by name using apt-get?
[22:05] <lando-pc> paulo: still on 12.04. Need to get on a good connection to update.
[22:05] <Carlgo11> No i'm setting up ubuntu server on my new rack server
[22:06] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n ^
[22:06] <paulo> lando-pc the instructions on the first link may work on 12.04, I guess you'll only find out trying them. If you run into problems I am sure plenty of people here can help in the process
[22:06] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, mmmm. grub-efi problems on a server, fuuuuun. Still, you should be able to boot up a desktop livecd of Ubuntu on it.
[22:07] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: nope. No support for such
[22:07] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, *sigh* hmm.
[22:08] <lando-pc> yeah, second link not gonna work, gonna try first link now.
[22:09] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: http://sadpanda.us/images/1715538-X81LKII.jpg If you want more of the log give me the dir that it's located it
[22:09] <Carlgo11> in*
[22:09] <Kitt3n> Umm
[22:10] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, do you have the special EFI partition?
[22:10] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: well I have raid 0
[22:10] <Carlgo11> raid 1*
[22:10] <Carlgo11> I use raid 1. herp derp
[22:10] <derp> derp a derp
[22:11] <Kitt3n> EFI based computers have a special FAT32 partition, that is usually 100 - 200 MB.
[22:11] <Carlgo11> idk. first rack server
[22:12] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, perhaps it would be possible for you to take out the hard drive and fix it on another computer then put it back?
[22:12] <Carlgo11> maybe. ima check if I have any free space in an old computer
[22:14] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: I had. but no cables so that's not an alternative
[22:15] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, you don't need the hard drive in the old computer to be connected.
[22:16] <lando-pc> hey, is there any chance that if I just run the mobile connect application under wine it might work?
[22:16] <Kitt3n> lando-pc, what phone do you have?
[22:16] <lando-pc> if I can figgure out what that might be......
[22:16] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: I do cuz I can't turn that computer off safely
[22:17] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, Can't really help you then, I am sorry.
[22:17] <reisio> lando-pc: what're you trying to do?
[22:17] <lando-pc> Kitt3n: why is what phone I have relevant? I'm trying to get  a bell internet key to work
[22:17] <Carlgo11> Kitt3n: Too bad. thanks anyways :)
[22:18] <lando-pc> reisio: Bell key on ubuntu
[22:18] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, I would try to get my hands on a computer you can fix the server's bootloader from though.
[22:18] <Carlgo11> oh and do you think that it's the raid that's the problem?
[22:18] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, the bootloader won't install, because grub-efi is a bitch on some systems.
[22:18] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, And to easily fix that, you need Boot-Repair
[22:19] <lando-pc> Honestly, if I can get this to work I am going to leave windows for good.
[22:19] <Carlgo11> does any older versions of ubuntu use another boot loader?
[22:20] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, your server is 'efi based' you SHOULDNT use a bios bootloader for it, it's going to do really bad things.
[22:20] <Carlgo11> oh so what do you recommend?
[22:20] <elijah> lando-pc++
[22:21] <lando-pc> hmmm?
[22:21] <Kitt3n> Carlgo11, to borrow someone's computer, and basically do what I explained.
[22:21] <Carlgo11> ok got it'
[22:21] <lando-pc> uggggg, this is a rats nest of bell exes and dlls.
[22:22] <lando-pc> I mean, wtf is Maaaaaaa.dll for?
[22:22] <lando-pc> *Maaa.dll
[22:23] <reisio> lando-pc: Bell key?
[22:23] <lando-pc> yeah
[22:23] <lando-pc> huaweii
[22:23] <lando-pc> *huawei
[22:24] <lando-pc> reisio: idk what the exact model is :/
[22:27] <lando-pc> There are 35GB of file here, but most of them are under 200k. I really have no idea what to run, and nothing really stands out. Also, I still dont know if wine is the answer :(
[22:28] <lando-pc> I mean, talk about code bloat.
[22:28] <PracoDaco> Hello! How do I find out how much memory my video card has in Ubuntu?
[22:29] <lando-pc> PracoDaco: Get all of you computers specs by typing lspci into the terminal
[22:29] <PracoDaco> Thank you lando-pc !
[22:29] <lando-pc> yeeeep :)
[22:30] <ningu> I'm running 12.10 on a low end vps. considering whether to upgrade to 13.04. it won't be that hard to do but I'm just wondering if I can expect any significant changes, positive or negative, in performance and memory usage.
[22:30] <PracoDaco> lando-pc: It says I have a Radeon 6530, but doesn't tell me the amount of graphics memory available to it. Am I being obtuse somehow?
[22:31] <MonkeyDust> ningu  no
[22:31] <lando-pc> hmmmm? Idk then :/
[22:31] <ningu> MonkeyDust: ok. I figured. but there is a kernel upgrade from 3.5 to 3.8 so just wondering.
[22:31] <Kitt3n> ningu, the system should be more stable, that's all I can think of.
[22:31] <ningu> ok.
[22:32] <lando-pc> I am running my internet off of my phone atm :(
[22:32] <lando-pc> I know!!!! Ill run the bell usb on an old win XP rig, connect a router, and then connect to the wifi signal
[22:33] <lando-pc> until I find time to do that, ima install all of my favorite coding stuffs
[22:35] <reisio> lando-pc: what are you trying to achieve
[22:35] <lando-pc> eclipse and the like
[22:38] <lando-pc> reisio: getting internet to work without wasting phones data. Just going to set up wifi later. Right now I am installing important code things for myself.
[22:39] <lando-pc> installing restricted extras
[23:17] <JoaoSantana> hi all
[23:29] <Smashing> I have a second media hard drive mounting at boot with fstab, but it is no longer showing up on the dock thing. any adivice?
[23:29] <Smashing> advice
[23:31] <Denii> i got a error from this http://dpaste.com/1290676/
[23:31] <Denii> which looks like this http://pastebin.com/PVLeWYtN
[23:32] <Denii> http://pastebin.com/zfTfFnXY
[23:32] <Marion> if anyone cares …  I have resolved my vhost issues … it ended up being pretty easy fix.  Just added "apache::vhost {'default' :" and defined a server name.   Thanks for the help.
[23:40] <draconus> Marion i would recommend nginx
[23:40] <draconus> you will like the speed
[23:40] <draconus> and vhosts in nginx are easy peasy also
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> Denii, You running linux mint?
[23:42] <usr13> Denii: Not booting?
[23:44] <Marion> draconus: I appreciate the suggestion, but at this time I'm not ready to take on the task of learning that.  It's on my list, but there is only so much I can tackle at a time.  And I have a LOT on my plate to learn.
[23:50] <Denii> im running linux mint,
[23:51] <Denii> im just trying to boot from an partition or sometthing.. an guy told me i could do that
[23:52] <usr13> Denii: What do you mean, trying to boot from a partition?
[23:53] <Ben64> Denii: you should ask the mint channel, we do not support linux mint here
[23:53] <usr13> Denii: Did you install grub to the master boot record as usual?  Or some alternative method?
[23:55] <usr13> Denii: /join #linuxmint-help
[23:55] <usr13>  /join #linuxmint-help
[23:56] <usr13> Denii: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[23:57] <Denii> usr13: i know, but the thing still applies on ubuntu too
[23:58] <Denii> i mean grub arent ubuntu right or linux mint? :)
[23:59] <weather15> Denii: Are you answering a question in regards to grub? There are a few other boot loaders.
[23:59] <reisio> he's trying to get an answer in regards to grub :)