[04:41] <sevenhill> Hello everyone
[04:42] <sevenhill> i have noticed a bug about softwarecenter.db.update  , is there any devel of it here now ?
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> sevenhill, never seen one on the channel, not sure they would admit that here. ;)
[04:49] <sevenhill> :) then i will shot it here any maybe an undercover devel will note it :)
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> sevenhill, YOu can file a bug.
[04:51] <sevenhill> what is the exact package name for softwarecenter.db.update ?  ( to use it via ubuntu-bug app ? )
[04:53] <sevenhill> softwarecenter.db.update couldn't read .desktop files if it has : inside its name
[10:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:26] <penguin42> Hey BK
[10:27] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[18:06] <mikeos>  Running KDE 4.10.90 on top of Saucy nighlty and there is no akonadi google resource;  i read that since KDE 4.9 these resources are part of kdepim. Any clue?
[19:52] <Buzzsaws> good morning
[19:53] <Buzzsaws> is it normal radeo HDMI doesnt work?
[19:53] <Buzzsaws> is this a feature?
[19:54] <Daekdroom> Are you talking about audio?
[19:54] <holstein> hdmi is pretty hit and miss in general
[19:55] <Daekdroom> It works for me (R). Although after enabling the audio (it's disabled by default), it still didn't work for awhile.
[19:55] <holstein> i dont have a lot of the hardware to experiment with
[19:55] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: Running radeon hdmi here
[19:56] <Buzzsaws> fascinating
[19:56] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: hd4350 I've got one display on HDMI, one on DVI
[19:56] <Buzzsaws> a 5450 PCI?
[19:56] <penguin42> no, 4350 here - I'm on the open driver and running KDE
[19:56] <Buzzsaws> i run mate, but this doenst natter
[19:56] <Daekdroom> I have a 5450 PCI-E and it works with DVI-I and HDMI at the same time.
[19:57] <Daekdroom> on the open source driver.
[19:57] <Buzzsaws> i use the knerd 3.10
[19:57] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: OK, open driver or closed? And what doesn't work ? completely blank?
[19:57] <Buzzsaws> saucy salami
[19:57] <Buzzsaws> gfx works, it also shows audio
[19:57] <Buzzsaws> on pulse-audio or aplay
[19:57] <penguin42> yeh, saucy here
[19:58] <Buzzsaws> but it doesnt' play any audio
[19:58] <penguin42> oh, audio - not tried audio - it does show up in the audio config on KDE but my HDMI monitor doesn't have speakers
[19:58] <Daekdroom> Like I said, hdmi audio is disabled by default.
[19:58] <Buzzsaws> i don't know whats wrong with sausage salami, my monitor doens't even show me audio settings
[19:59] <holstein> Buzzsaws: try pavucontrol
[19:59] <Buzzsaws> i tried aplay and stuff
[19:59] <Daekdroom> You have to set radeon.audio=1 as a kernel parameter.
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Did you do that?
[19:59] <Buzzsaws> no
[19:59] <penguin42> oh god, I'm going to be thinking of this release as sausage now...
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Then do it.
[19:59] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Curious, I didn't do that and it's showing up as an audio device
[19:59] <Buzzsaws> thats not necessary according to kernel 3.10 develdopers
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Is it not?
[19:59] <Daekdroom> They finally enabled it?
[19:59] <Buzzsaws> i heard they fixed that or something
[19:59] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: If you do   cat /proc/asound/cards   does it show HDMI ?
[20:00] <Buzzsaws> yeah my cat meows
[20:01] <Buzzsaws> nah
[20:01] <Buzzsaws> it does show two devices
[20:01] <Buzzsaws> at irq48
[20:01] <Buzzsaws> let me see where irq48 is
[20:02] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: Why not put it in a pastebin?
[20:02] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I'm curious about the thing about having to enable it, my radeon has been claiming to show radeon audio for years
[20:03] <Daekdroom> penguin42, HDMI audio was disabled for several kernel releases (and I think it - might - be enabled in 3.11) because it was making the cards not work for some people that didn't even use HDMI audio.
[20:03] <Buzzsaws> yeah it seems to be its the radeon on irq48
[20:04] <Buzzsaws> aplay doens't work
[20:04] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Hmph, I've never seen it go on my hd4350 - always shows up in annoying places
[20:04] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: Can you pastebin your /proc/asound/cards
[20:04] <Daekdroom> penguin42, before I did the parameter thing, it showed as a alsa device, but not under pulseaudio settings.
[20:04] <Buzzsaws> yes i pastebin it
[20:04] <penguin42> huh that confuses me even more
[20:04] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: where?
[20:05] <Daekdroom> penguin42, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQwNDY
[20:05] <Daekdroom> "
[20:05] <Daekdroom> So if all goes well for the Linux 3.11 kernel cycle, it looks like AMD may re-enable "out of the box" HDMI audio support, which could then happen for Linux 3.12. For now, Radeon HDMI audio users will need to keep set radeon.audio=1 for having this basic but important feature."
[20:05] <Buzzsaws> http://pastebin.com/pxH4XdJn
[20:06] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Maybe it was different on HD4350 - I've had it showing up for years, enough to be annoying a couple of years ago when KDE would default to it instead of the onboard
[20:06] <Buzzsaws> this message was on phoronix in april 13
[20:07] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[20:07] <Buzzsaws> hmm the knerd 311 takes a lot of itme
[20:07] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: I'd try that param that Daekdroom suggests
[20:08] <Buzzsaws> those gorg parameter, yeah i hope the gorgs accept the kernel parameter at start
[20:08] <penguin42> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5850820/  is my parameter
[20:08] <penguin42> beep - is my asound data
[20:10] <Buzzsaws> http://pastebin.com/hv06yW0J
[20:12] <Buzzsaws> very strange issue
[20:13] <Buzzsaws> it shouldn't be an issue if the card is only PCI the adressing is the same way
[20:13] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: When you say PCI you really do mean just PCI don't you? That's pretty rare
[20:13] <Buzzsaws> i am using a pci gfx card, its a server
[20:13] <penguin42> ah
[20:14] <Daekdroom> Whenever I see a PCI card getting released these days, I think "that should be the last model ever" and am proven wrong.
[20:14] <penguin42> PCI graphics cards are pretty rare - can't remember the last time I saw a moden one
[20:14] <penguin42> finding one with HDMI is pretty impressive
[20:14] <Buzzsaws> i need my pcie slots for SAS cards the server audio is only for some alert massages
[20:14] <Buzzsaws> its a modern pci card, this card is dedicated for hdpc and such stuff
[20:15] <penguin42> a beeper not good enough for you?
[20:15] <Buzzsaws> its only 66MHz PCI but thats fast enough for 2D stuff
[20:15] <Buzzsaws> the beeper is in another room
[20:15] <penguin42> that's a luxury!
[20:15] <Buzzsaws> the hdmi wire goes from the chellar to bureaucracy room
[20:16] <penguin42> has some old Matrox cards that work on old obscure/embedded machines
[20:16] <penguin42> Buzzsaws: OK, so does it show up in pulse?
[20:16] <Buzzsaws> yes
[20:17] <Buzzsaws> is this pulse utility a gui?
[20:17] <penguin42> there are gui and command line; pactl list sinks   should tell you
[20:21] <Buzzsaws> ok i run now pavucontrol
[20:21] <Buzzsaws> and set hdmi out as out
[20:21] <Buzzsaws> is there something to reduce the power consumption (kernel parameter or something) to put the card in energy saving state if not used?
[20:22] <Daekdroom> Buzzsaws, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index3h2
[20:22] <Daekdroom> You'd have to set it manually, unless you tolerate flickering.
[20:22] <Daekdroom> (perhaps a script to change it for you?)
[20:23] <Buzzsaws> a script that starts if screensaver starts
[20:23] <Buzzsaws> ?
[20:23] <Daekdroom> Possibly.
[20:23] <penguin42> I thought there was a fix that *just* went in
[20:24] <Daekdroom> Yeah, in 3.11, but not on by default.
[20:24] <Buzzsaws> the card consumes 15w, maybe it could be reduced to 3w if the card sleeps
[20:25]  * penguin42 wonders why a card would take 3w when doing nothing
[20:25] <Buzzsaws> because ramdac and stuff is still working
[20:25] <Buzzsaws> memory refresh, and other things
[20:25] <penguin42> oh, right I guess should be less in blank
[20:26] <Buzzsaws> so dynpwm or something
[20:39] <Buzzsaws> if i got i915 do i need those i915 kernel on ppa? other computer has some issues with xorg sometime
[22:50] <Buzzsaws> hi
[22:51] <penguin42> hey