=== sevenhill is now known as Guest36221 === Guest36221 is now known as sevenhill [04:41] Hello everyone [04:42] i have noticed a bug about softwarecenter.db.update , is there any devel of it here now ? [04:47] sevenhill, never seen one on the channel, not sure they would admit that here. ;) [04:49] :) then i will shot it here any maybe an undercover devel will note it :) [04:50] sevenhill, YOu can file a bug. [04:51] what is the exact package name for softwarecenter.db.update ? ( to use it via ubuntu-bug app ? ) [04:53] softwarecenter.db.update couldn't read .desktop files if it has : inside its name === sdx32 is now known as sdx23 === Trewas666 is now known as Trewas [10:24] Hiyas all [10:26] Hey BK [10:27] hi penguin42 [18:06] Running KDE 4.10.90 on top of Saucy nighlty and there is no akonadi google resource; i read that since KDE 4.9 these resources are part of kdepim. Any clue? [19:52] good morning [19:53] is it normal radeo HDMI doesnt work? [19:53] is this a feature? [19:54] Are you talking about audio? [19:54] hdmi is pretty hit and miss in general [19:55] It works for me (R). Although after enabling the audio (it's disabled by default), it still didn't work for awhile. [19:55] i dont have a lot of the hardware to experiment with [19:55] Buzzsaws: Running radeon hdmi here [19:56] fascinating [19:56] Buzzsaws: hd4350 I've got one display on HDMI, one on DVI [19:56] a 5450 PCI? [19:56] no, 4350 here - I'm on the open driver and running KDE [19:56] i run mate, but this doenst natter [19:56] I have a 5450 PCI-E and it works with DVI-I and HDMI at the same time. [19:57] on the open source driver. [19:57] i use the knerd 3.10 [19:57] Buzzsaws: OK, open driver or closed? And what doesn't work ? completely blank? [19:57] saucy salami [19:57] gfx works, it also shows audio [19:57] on pulse-audio or aplay [19:57] yeh, saucy here [19:58] but it doesnt' play any audio [19:58] oh, audio - not tried audio - it does show up in the audio config on KDE but my HDMI monitor doesn't have speakers [19:58] Like I said, hdmi audio is disabled by default. [19:58] i don't know whats wrong with sausage salami, my monitor doens't even show me audio settings [19:59] Buzzsaws: try pavucontrol [19:59] i tried aplay and stuff [19:59] You have to set radeon.audio=1 as a kernel parameter. [19:59] Did you do that? [19:59] no [19:59] oh god, I'm going to be thinking of this release as sausage now... [19:59] Then do it. [19:59] Daekdroom: Curious, I didn't do that and it's showing up as an audio device [19:59] thats not necessary according to kernel 3.10 develdopers [19:59] Is it not? [19:59] They finally enabled it? [19:59] i heard they fixed that or something [19:59] Buzzsaws: If you do cat /proc/asound/cards does it show HDMI ? [20:00] yeah my cat meows [20:01] nah [20:01] it does show two devices [20:01] at irq48 [20:01] let me see where irq48 is [20:02] Buzzsaws: Why not put it in a pastebin? [20:02] Daekdroom: I'm curious about the thing about having to enable it, my radeon has been claiming to show radeon audio for years [20:03] penguin42, HDMI audio was disabled for several kernel releases (and I think it - might - be enabled in 3.11) because it was making the cards not work for some people that didn't even use HDMI audio. [20:03] yeah it seems to be its the radeon on irq48 [20:04] aplay doens't work [20:04] Daekdroom: Hmph, I've never seen it go on my hd4350 - always shows up in annoying places [20:04] Buzzsaws: Can you pastebin your /proc/asound/cards [20:04] penguin42, before I did the parameter thing, it showed as a alsa device, but not under pulseaudio settings. [20:04] yes i pastebin it [20:04] huh that confuses me even more [20:04] Buzzsaws: where? [20:05] penguin42, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQwNDY [20:05] " [20:05] So if all goes well for the Linux 3.11 kernel cycle, it looks like AMD may re-enable "out of the box" HDMI audio support, which could then happen for Linux 3.12. For now, Radeon HDMI audio users will need to keep set radeon.audio=1 for having this basic but important feature." [20:05] http://pastebin.com/pxH4XdJn [20:06] Daekdroom: Maybe it was different on HD4350 - I've had it showing up for years, enough to be annoying a couple of years ago when KDE would default to it instead of the onboard [20:06] this message was on phoronix in april 13 [20:07] Odd. [20:07] hmm the knerd 311 takes a lot of itme [20:07] Buzzsaws: I'd try that param that Daekdroom suggests [20:08] those gorg parameter, yeah i hope the gorgs accept the kernel parameter at start [20:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5850820/ is my parameter [20:08] beep - is my asound data [20:10] http://pastebin.com/hv06yW0J [20:12] very strange issue [20:13] it shouldn't be an issue if the card is only PCI the adressing is the same way [20:13] Buzzsaws: When you say PCI you really do mean just PCI don't you? That's pretty rare [20:13] i am using a pci gfx card, its a server [20:13] ah [20:14] Whenever I see a PCI card getting released these days, I think "that should be the last model ever" and am proven wrong. [20:14] PCI graphics cards are pretty rare - can't remember the last time I saw a moden one [20:14] finding one with HDMI is pretty impressive [20:14] i need my pcie slots for SAS cards the server audio is only for some alert massages [20:14] its a modern pci card, this card is dedicated for hdpc and such stuff [20:15] a beeper not good enough for you? [20:15] its only 66MHz PCI but thats fast enough for 2D stuff [20:15] the beeper is in another room [20:15] that's a luxury! [20:15] the hdmi wire goes from the chellar to bureaucracy room [20:16] has some old Matrox cards that work on old obscure/embedded machines [20:16] Buzzsaws: OK, so does it show up in pulse? [20:16] yes [20:17] is this pulse utility a gui? [20:17] there are gui and command line; pactl list sinks should tell you [20:21] ok i run now pavucontrol [20:21] and set hdmi out as out [20:21] is there something to reduce the power consumption (kernel parameter or something) to put the card in energy saving state if not used? [20:22] Buzzsaws, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index3h2 [20:22] You'd have to set it manually, unless you tolerate flickering. [20:22] (perhaps a script to change it for you?) [20:23] a script that starts if screensaver starts [20:23] ? [20:23] Possibly. [20:23] I thought there was a fix that *just* went in [20:24] Yeah, in 3.11, but not on by default. [20:24] the card consumes 15w, maybe it could be reduced to 3w if the card sleeps [20:25] * penguin42 wonders why a card would take 3w when doing nothing [20:25] because ramdac and stuff is still working [20:25] memory refresh, and other things [20:25] oh, right I guess should be less in blank [20:26] so dynpwm or something [20:39] if i got i915 do i need those i915 kernel on ppa? other computer has some issues with xorg sometime [22:50] hi [22:51] hey