[01:14] <dunpeal> Is XFCE still based on GTK+ 1?
[01:15] <dunpeal> err, GTK+ 2
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> dunpeal: 4.12 has GTK+ 3 support, and eventually it's all going to 3
[01:18] <dunpeal> What are the migration plans?  GTK+ 2 is being deprecated
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> dunpeal: See above
[01:20] <dunpeal> SonikkuAmerica: thanks. any idea why XFCE chose to go with GTK+ 3 instead of porting to Qt like LXDE did?
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> dunpeal: LXDE is rather new and prone to toolkit change. XFCE has been GTK+-based since 1999, and has the experience and know-how to continue with it. Their transition will be a slow but sure one. As always, stability and performance are XFCE's main thing.
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> (As well as being lightweight)
[01:22] <dunpeal> SonikkuAmerica: *nod*, thanks.
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> yw
[03:13] <loganvwhite> I've been playing around in syclient and various configuration files for about four hours now and it's starting to drive me mad.
[03:13] <loganvwhite> can anyone help me get palm detection working semi-well?
[03:15] <loganvwhite> The problem is that using the z variable to determine area on touchpad fails, because my fingers and palm appear to often be in the same range (around 30 - 80)
[03:16] <loganvwhite> so i'm looking for more esoteric solutions online, but as far as I can tell this is mostly an unsolved problem.
[03:18] <loganvwhite> basically what I'd like to do ideally is make it so the whole touchpad can be used for moving the cursor, but all input which STARTS around the left or right edge is ignored. so if I can somehow do some conditional scripting somewhere to modify that behaviour...
[03:20] <cgtdk> loganvwhite: If you can't get any help here, try #ubuntu. There are far more people there.
[03:21] <loganvwhite> yeah, this seems pretty off topic in all the irc channels I've seen as well.
[03:22] <loganvwhite> but I might try there
[03:22] <cgtdk> ##linux perhaps
[04:32] <newie> that's a lot of people
[04:32] <newie> what package do i install to get 'snownews'
[04:36] <newie> ah hem
[04:39] <newie> I'm trying to get Snownews to work on Xubuntu.  'sudo apt-get install snownews' doesn't work
[04:39] <holstein> newie: what is that?
[04:39] <holstein> !info snownews
[04:39] <holstein> newie: you wont be able to install a package that is not in the repo
[04:42] <newie> what do you guys do for RSS?
[04:42] <holstein> i think snownews it old
[04:42] <holstein> is old*
[04:42] <newie> it is
[04:42] <holstein> newie: i dont do rss.. but let me get a link for you that might help you find something current
[04:42] <newie> ok
[04:42] <holstein> newie: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/39707/reader-replacements-for-linux-las-s27e07/
[04:43] <holstein> this is probably what you are looking for http://www.webupd8.org/2013/05/tiny-tiny-rss-ubuntu-ppa-google-reader.html
[04:48] <newie> thanks guys
[04:50] <holstein> guys?
[07:01] <ncdmr> anyone seen this error before?  http://pastebin.com/50PLH7ff
[07:02] <ncdmr> getting that when trying to add some ppa's
[10:40] <dpschat> noob question - will xubuntu keep using xserver in future versions
[10:41] <well_laid_lawn> dpschat:  until wayland becomes default yep
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> who knows how far off that is
[10:43] <dpschat> do we fear wayland ? :-)
[10:43] <bekks> wayne :P
[10:44] <well_laid_lawn> wayland should be great compared to X
[10:46] <dpschat> what will it bring xubuntu - ive heard performance on ubuntu is currently below x. No problem with new stuff..just like xubuntu the way it is
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> well wayland is still pretty new so you have to be patient and let it grow
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> X has only been around for about thirty years or so
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> to get where it is now
[10:47]  * cfhowlett thinks all this can be avoided by sticking with LTS versions
[10:49] <dpschat> LTS seems smart next time around  - atleast on my "production" setup
[10:57] <Guest5449> Is Xubuntu 12.04 use gtk2 or gtk3?
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> it's the applications that use gtk2/3 not the distro
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> some apps use gtk2 others use gtk3
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> depends on what you install
[10:59] <Guest5449> but what about de?
[11:00] <Guest5449> does do use some of gtk?
[11:00] <Guest5449> de*
[11:02] <cowbacon> what's wayland? ive heard the word before but never an explanation
[11:03] <Guest5449> cowbacon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol)
[11:03] <well_laid_lawn> Xfce 4.10 requires Gtk+ 2.20 and Glib 2.24 * Xfce 4.8 requires Gtk+ 2.14 and Glib 2.20 * Xfce 4.6 requires Gtk+ 2.10 and Glib 2.12
[11:04] <well_laid_lawn> so it's gtk2
[11:04] <cowbacon> Guest5449: thanks
[11:04] <well_laid_lawn> http://docs.xfce.org/start?do=search&id=gtk
[11:14] <xubuntu203> Hi there, I have a maybe silly question. Is it possible to change the splash screen from xubuntu?
[11:14] <well_laid_lawn> yes
[11:15] <xubuntu203> How can I do it?
[11:16] <xubuntu203> I have looked on google but, simehow I can not find a good answer
[11:16] <xubuntu203> maybe i am searching wrong, thatś why I ask here
[11:17] <well_laid_lawn> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=xubuntu+change+splash+screen&btnG=Search&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a
[11:17] <well_laid_lawn> lots of slightly old results there
[12:14] <blinky_> Hi guys could someone help me with my mouse on my main system.  Running 13.04 and the usb mouse is intermittent.  When I open a screen I can use that screen my the mouse wont control anything else
[12:15] <bekks> blinky_: What do you mean by "when I open a screen"?
[12:15] <blinky_> sorry a program
[12:15] <blinky_> I have terminal open at the moment and I cant even open the app menu in the top left
[12:16] <blinky_> I know the mouse is ok as it works find in windows
[12:17] <blinky_> Any ideas?
[12:20] <Sysi> blinky_: what model is your mouse? I recently heard about similar problem with certain logitech model, mx 518 or something
[12:21] <blinky_> cyborg R.A.T 7
[15:37] <jscott> anybody know much about thunderbird?
[15:42] <holstein> jscott: i think its in freeze, officially.. developmentally
[15:43] <jscott> ok i just had to reinstall and now it says every message can't be displayed because it is in html format
[15:44] <holstein> jscott: this has nothing to do with your machine
[15:44] <jscott> ok wanted to make sure cause i tried all the other settings
[15:44] <jscott> thank you
[15:45] <holstein> oops.. that was for another channel ;)
[15:45] <holstein> i didnt mean for that to come off like that here..
[19:31] <Snt> if anybody alive and have a clue, how to fix the problem, please help :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160348&p=12720345
[19:33] <holstein> Snt: please ask the question
[19:34] <Snt> holstein, the question is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160348&p=12720345
[19:34] <Snt> i just did not want to copypast too many text
[19:40] <holstein> Snt: i dont know what functionalily you want.. i would try and explain it here, without any comparison.. not "set it up like windows".. assume a volunteer here doesnt use windows, and try and be specific
[19:40] <Snt> "If you press, for example, shift+6 or shift+4 combination in notepad, you can mark text."
[19:40] <Snt> i'd like to get that workign
[19:40] <Snt> i'd like to get that working
[19:41] <bazhang> you want an ide?
[19:41] <holstein> Snt: mark text? highlight it? mark it how? in what way?
[19:43] <Snt> i mean try to open any gui text redactor, enter some text, and then press shift- left arrow
[19:44] <Snt> in old XT times you could do the same by pressing shift - numpad 4
[19:45]  * w30 yearns for Edlin
[19:50] <w30> Snt: you don't mean put it in a clipboard?
[19:50] <Snt> no
[19:50] <Snt> i meant just select text
[19:51] <w30> Snt and do what with it?
[19:51] <Snt> that's all
[19:51] <holstein> control alt escape in screen might work for you.. in nano or whatever
[19:52] <Snt> i want to select some text by pressing shift-numpad4 / shift-numpad6, just like i can select text (in mousepad, for example) by pressing shift-left arrow or shift- right arrow
[19:52] <w30> Snt evidently you want something to happen? What? Change color of text?
[19:53] <Snt> do you have any gui text editor right now?
[19:53] <Snt> like gnomepad/mousepad?
[19:53] <holstein> Snt: im in gedit, and holding shift with the arrow keys selects text
[19:53] <Snt> perfect.
[19:53] <holstein> Snt: gedit is a GUI text editor
[19:54] <Snt> i want to select text exactly in the same way by pressing shift-keypad4 / shift-keypad6
[19:54] <Snt> that's all :)
[19:54] <holstein> Snt: i hold shift and use the arrow keys..
[19:55] <Snt> i know. it works.
[19:56] <Snt> i want to do the same with keypad arrows
[19:56] <holstein> Snt: the keypad is selectable on a hardare level, typically.. like caps lock
[21:09] <xubuntu784> hi
[21:10] <xubuntu784> i need help
[21:11] <xubuntu784> i try to install a nvidia driver
[21:12] <bekks> xubuntu784: And...?
[21:44] <Programmer_> my preferred web browser isnt saving as chrome
[22:04] <Magnussss> Hi, I  have a continuing problem with one of my computers. A kernel error gives me a "system failure, panic occured, shutting down the system". This happens on just a particular kernel. Could someone tell me if there is any safe kernels to use? Often when I upgrade the system it disappears, no problem at all, but when it is recently installed I always have this issue.