[08:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[08:40] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> another day to play with WPA-Enterprise 8-)
[08:41] <brobostigon> :)
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> oh and to charge my kindle
[08:50] <brobostigon> a normal kindle, or a tablet kindle, but the latter isnt so good, so more likely to be the former.
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's the old normal kindle
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> (post-keyboard but pre-paperwhite)
[08:52] <brobostigon> good, :)
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> and the charge is free!
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> (yay sunlight)
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> http://www.voltaicsystems.com/fuse4w.shtml
[08:52] <brobostigon> :)
[08:53] <brobostigon> yay for EM radiation.
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> Finally, a use for the big bright light in the blue room
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> :P
[08:54] <brobostigon> and gamma rays and photons.
[11:00] <SuperMatt> https://cloud.supermatt.net/public.php?service=files&t=41bd142409caec36ad02a9c34f965d25 <- well all right!
[11:01] <SuperMatt> oh, and there's another 1TB not mounted because it has my windows games
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: lots of spinning rust! ;)
[11:04] <SuperMatt> yup!
[11:04]  * MartijnVdS is playing with certtool from gnutls
[11:04] <SuperMatt> well, I was just coming up to the edge of the 5TB I did have
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I'm having a hard time filling up 2TB..
[11:07] <SuperMatt> I hoard a lot of TV programs and stuff
[11:08] <SuperMatt> oh and porn, always porn
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> sure but 4.9TB of it 8-)
[11:21] <redtape|renegade> Afternoon guys.
[11:33] <redtape|renegade> OT | One question today : Andy Murray or Novak Djokovic Today ?  Everyone seems to awaiting the bad news of the final .. #wimbledon
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I'm listening to F1
[11:35] <redtape|renegade> in wat language ? Pirrelli ?
[11:36] <redtape|renegade> :0
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: whatever they speak on BBC R5SX
[11:38] <redtape|renegade> redtape scans for BBC R5SX ...
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: "Radio 5 sports extra"
[11:42] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Nice & seems legit :: http://bit.ly/1a3cz1H ::: Last time I listened was the Olympics.
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I'm receiving it from a FreeSat transponder on Astra 2.. of course it's legit :)
[11:44] <redtape|renegade> Oh, it says 'cant play due to rights restrictions'  .. Sooooo it's playing yesterday's footie review .. can't get satellite as I don't own a Tele...
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: you can get a dish and sat card for your PC :)
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: isn't it on DVB-T as well?
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> (freeview)
[11:45] <redtape|renegade> dunno .. but redtape doesn't believe in the promise of television .. prefer radio, by far.
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> there are more radio stations than TV stations on free{sat,view} ;)
[11:47] <brobostigon> yep :)
[11:50] <redtape|renegade> I believe so .. but it's miniscule compared to radio on t'internet .. :: http://bit.ly/13CDst6 :: My Dad is getting the cheque for selling his TV firm on Monday due to on-line sales & PC World competition .. but TV has always been a 'product' for someone' else in my family.
[11:55] <redtape|renegade> I gave some DeNiro to ::  http://open.commonly.cc/ :: be nice if they could reach their target .. they've been going 12 days so far ..
[11:59] <redtape|renegade> I going to give to wm8650 attempt on Linux another try , if I can get it for £15 (P&P incl.) :: http://r.ebay.com/qZavXs :: but it's a long shot using Arch|ARM ..
[12:04] <penguin42> redtape|renegade: It's an ARM9 core - don't bother
[12:06] <penguin42> redtape|renegade: Now, if you're a good guy mechanically then using that chassis for a beagleboard:black would be more useful
[12:21] <redtape|renegade> penguin42: It's a technical experiment that has been proved before ..(see link at end).. if it works then I'll get one hundred and fifty of the same type for £5 each, which will go to the 3rdworld/charity. [ http://bit.ly/1a3gM5s ]  i.e.  It's not for me.
[12:40] <penguin42> redtape|renegade: I'm not sure it's worth it frankly; they're really really shit chips
[12:48] <redtape|renegade> penguin42: Yeah, yur prob.ly right .. just had a grand lying around with nothing to-do. Kinda glad I'm not top bidder now.
[12:50] <penguin42> redtape|renegade: Yeh it's terrible when it's burning a hole in your bank account
[12:51]  * redtape|renegade re-looksie's at the #LSE to get solaptops instead.
[12:58] <redtape|renegade> OT | redtape likes the new Alan Partridge Film .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRivx-wEaiE   .. Anyone seen it yet .& when's it gonna be on DVD ?
[13:21] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Cameraman down .. ::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTA05RezBac&feature=youtu.be :::
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: yes that was early in the race
[13:35] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: I can't wait for a tweetpic of the black eye :D
[13:51] <dogmatic69> I am trying to record some screen casts and have tried recordmydesktop with openshop video editor to put it together. But some sections of the output are stuck.
[13:51] <dogmatic69> Like the first 1 min of the video is the same frame, then it starts working
[13:51] <dogmatic69> anyone got better apps for this, or know what could be going on?
[13:53] <dogmatic69> it seems to be the openshot video that is breaking things
[13:54] <dogmatic69> the output from recordmydesktop seems fine
[13:56] <penguin42> tried ptivi?
[13:56] <penguin42> also kino and kdenlive
[13:56] <dogmatic69> nope, will try now
[13:56] <dogmatic69> it may just be the format, recordmydesktop spits out ovg or something.
[13:56] <dogmatic69> might be good to make it avi or something normal
[13:59] <dogmatic69> ptivi seems better already.
[13:59] <dogmatic69> thanks penguin42
[13:59] <penguin42> no prob
[14:01] <dogmatic69> man, so much smoother. openshot was pushing the CPU thought the roof and could not even show the preview properly.
[14:02] <dogmatic69> Can't belive it made 45k on kickstarter
[14:02] <dogmatic69> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-windows-mac-and-linux/posts
[14:05] <penguin42> no one said kickstarter selected for sanity
[14:14] <penguin42> dogmatic69: There seem to be a lot of video editors all of which have some down side; it would seem better to share some more
[14:15] <dogmatic69> they should just join forces
[14:16] <penguin42> yeh, although it's not too bad to have some competition between them - it helps push forward
[14:16] <dogmatic69> sure, but its not exactly a huge market
[14:16] <mgdm> and it's a hard problem
[14:17] <dogmatic69> like IDE's or something
[14:17] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:17] <dwatkins> Does anyone happen to know the name of the CD/DVD Creator application, so I can start it manually, please?
[14:17]  * penguin42 would use k3b
[14:17] <dwatkins> I renamed a directory and now it won't start when I try to send it to it
[14:18] <dwatkins> penguin42: yeah, I'm almost at that stage myself, Unity not letting me move the launcher etc.
[14:19] <penguin42> mgdm: I think the other problem is that there seem to be two separate focuses 'simple' and 'pro' where the simple are for those of us who just want to edit a quick clip we took of something, and the pro's want to make a small film
[14:19] <penguin42> dwatkins: You can use k3b in gnome as well
[14:19] <mgdm> ah yes
[14:19] <dwatkins> aha thanks penguin42
[14:19]  * dwatkins gives up on CD/DVD creator
[14:31] <redtape|renegade> OT | Just having a look at Audioboo to give proper audio messages on twitter ... Anyone tried it ? :: https://twitter.com/audioboo ::
[14:36] <oly> anyone here have a suggestion for a good device for outdoor use, thats portables and around 400
[14:37] <oly> main requirements are gtk, so i can run apps like inkscape and geany
[14:37] <oly> so no ubuntu touch unless x11 and gtk will be coming soon :)
[14:38] <oly> dell xps 10 looks like good potential but i can not find much about compatibility
[14:40] <penguin42> oly: I don't think you have much chance with ARM based Windows tablets
[14:40] <redtape|renegade> oly: You'd better get onto ebay.co.uk and take yur pick from these .. :: https://friendly.ubuntu.com/ :: but I always recommenmd system 76
[14:40] <penguin42> oly: Android tablets are more hackable because in the end they're running Linux already (and I think Windows on ARM are very locked down)
[14:41] <oly> yeah tempted with android, but the only option is ubuntu touch ?
[14:41] <oly> ie no gtk or X apps
[14:41] <penguin42> oly: It depends....
[14:41] <redtape|renegade> is it a tablet you are after ?
[14:41] <oly> tablet or small laptop,
[14:42] <oly> something portable, only for some hacking / graphics when i am about
[14:42] <oly> i have a 17 inch laptop it ways a tone :p
[14:42] <penguin42> oly: It's very variable by tablet /hardware - most of them you can persuade to run a chroot with Linux, getting X to work depends on the exact driver - I've got X just about tottering along on an ereader
[14:42] <penguin42> oly: But also getting power saving to work as well as Android is very difficult
[14:42] <oly> yeah, i know thats why i am asking about :)
[14:43] <penguin42> oly: Ubuntu Touch might not be a bad bet with Mir, as I understand there is an X backend'd by Mir - would be an interesting thing to try
[14:43] <redtape|renegade> oly. I'd just save up for a haswell in Q3~13, unless it's time critical ?
[14:44] <oly> yeah but i dont know how far of that is, no point getting it if i have to wait a year to run the apps i am after
[14:44] <penguin42> oly: nod
[14:44] <penguin42> oly: Maybe Asus transformer ?
[14:45] <penguin42> oly: Or one of the x86 tablets
[14:45] <oly> asus transformer looks good, but not sure its proper x86 apps ?
[14:45] <oly> whats the haswell redtape|renegade ?
[14:46] <penguin42> oly: It's not it's ARM
[14:46] <penguin42> oly: So get an x86 tablet?
[14:46] <oly> x86 tablet is an option but they all seem to be windows uefi, and not found one thats known to work :p
[14:46] <oly> i was hoping someone may have such a device which they are using :)
[14:47] <penguin42> UEFI in itself isn't such a problem - I think the x86 uefi's MS says you're supposed to be able to install your own stuff - not sure about the practice, or how well the touch works
[14:48] <penguin42> oly: But if you want to run inkscape/gnome there is no reason to restrict to x86 - they should work fine on ARM
[14:48] <oly> true, just reading about the transformer  again
[14:49] <redtape|renegade> penguin42: Maybe it's good with other optional prog.s .. althou I find use of a Transformer with Ubuntu .. as of yet .. ::: http://bit.ly/16gp85u ::
[14:50] <redtape|renegade> oly. Can you not just cross-search the ubuntu friendly page with an auction site and install ubuntu via there ?
[14:52] <oly> maybe but the ubuntu friendly site does not tell you about the machines quickly, weight size etc
[14:53] <oly> i dont want another brick :)
[14:53] <oly> got one already :-D
[14:53] <penguin42> haha - what did you brick?
[14:53] <penguin42> oh, you mean brick by weight?
[14:55] <oly> yeah, got a dell 17 studio works beautifully but i can just pop it into a bag and carry it around all day
[14:55] <penguin42> oly: The other question is how something like inkscape works with a touchscreen - touchscreens are a bit weird when you try themn on existing apps
[14:56] <oly> well inkscape says it supports touch
[14:57] <oly> i remember using inkscape and gimp on my n900 that worked, if very fiddly on a small screen :)
[14:57] <penguin42> ok yeh
[15:01] <redtape|renegade> The brief seems quite constrictive to answer, IMHO.
[16:29] <mgdm>  \o/ \o/ \o/
[16:29] <Pendulum> yay!
[16:29] <mgdm> Until last year I didn't give two hoots about tennis, that has changed :-)
[16:30] <Pendulum> haha
[16:31] <Pendulum> I was staying with friends outside Manchester who are big tennis fans in 2005 when he had his surprising run after Henman got knocked out.
[16:31] <Pendulum> That's what got me interested in tennis at all.
[16:33] <penguin42> Pendulum: Tennis must be good for you - all that swinging back and foward looking at one player and then the other
[16:33] <Pendulum> haha
[16:34] <mgdm> that's not really how it's filmed, though. it's more of an up-and-down eye movement. :P
[16:45] <penguin42> it's like Snooker, I never figure why with widescreen they don't just turn the camera around and have it going across
[16:50] <mgdm> I suspect with tennis it's because a lot of the interesting/important lines are the ones down the sides
[16:50] <mgdm> so it's easier to see the way it's filmed
[16:51] <mgdm> also, probably in part "because that's the way they've always done it"
[16:51] <Pendulum> For tennis I think you're definitely right regarding being able to see angles.
[16:53] <redtape|renegade> OT | Soooo Tim wins at Tennis .. who'd a thunk it !
[16:53] <mgdm> Yes, that is what happened.
[17:04] <redtape|renegade> Just realised it's 77years since last UK champion and it is the 7/7 today .. #just-sayin'
[17:11] <penguin42> Stockport will be upset, their Fred Perry way will be outdated now
[17:20]  * redtape|renegade tries to find a fitting conspiracy :: https://twitter.com/thetracyaustin/status/353925986842181632 :: #7thHeaven
[17:53] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[17:54] <brobostigon> evening bigcalm
[18:02] <dogmatic69> After updating to 13.04 from 12.04 printing has gone south. Now I get some margin top/left I cant seem to clear.
[18:02] <dogmatic69> anyone have ideas for that?
[18:09] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Even on the test page?
[18:29] <StevenR> hrrmph. Anyone in central Scotland and use Freeview? (Trying to determine if there's a problem with Black Hill (Lanarkshire) transmitter)
[18:30] <redtape|renegade> StevenR: The last time I used tv was two years ago .. but good luck with your question.
[18:30] <penguin42> StevenR: https://www.radioandtvhelp.co.uk/diagnostic/?id=IRDPIBK4IQ7HGHTA4D7HV584G6&uid=218553210  ?
[18:32] <StevenR> penguin42: thanks, I've already been down that route. They say "no reported problems". TBH, I suspect local antenna issue, but I was hoping to find someone else how happened to recive from the same transmitter
[18:32] <StevenR> *who happened
[18:41] <dwatkins> I don't even have an aerial; I'm in Edinburgh.
[18:53] <mgdm> StevenR: I'm pretty sure I'm on Black hill and it's fine
[18:54] <directhex> moop
[18:55] <StevenR> mgdm: thanks. Looking at other antennas, I might be on Craigkelly, but I don't know which antenna is mine
[18:56] <mgdm> StevenR: some boxes will tell you the transmitter ID
[18:56] <StevenR> mgdm: I'm not getting anything at all :)
[18:56] <mgdm> or you could work it out from the frequencies of the multiplexes
[18:56] <mgdm> (when it works, yes :)
[18:57] <mgdm> StevenR: or one way to tell is if you get the Glasgow or Edinburgh version of the STV News at Six :)
[18:57] <StevenR> yeah. Mythtv can probably tell me that, but it doesn't find a single channel
[18:59] <brobostigon> i wonder what they will do with new top gear ep, with the tennis still going on, hopefully thwy will ditch the tennis.
[18:59] <mgdm> I'd hope they'd move Top Gear
[18:59] <mgdm> it's not live
[19:00] <mgdm> Facebook is asking me to rate my office (as I've tagged photos there)
[19:00] <brobostigon> i find top gear significantly more entertaining, and also, when not move the tennix to bbc 1 ?
[19:00] <brobostigon> why not*
[19:01] <brobostigon> and delay country file?
[19:01] <brobostigon> or stick the tennis onto bbc3 or 4?
[19:01] <mgdm> BBC1 is their 'main'c hannel
[19:02] <brobostigon> by that same argument, country file is also pre-recorded. so they can shift that.
[19:03] <mgdm> They have contingencies for these things
[19:03] <mgdm> not sure what they are though
[19:03] <brobostigon> like sticking stuff onto red buttons, and online.
[19:04] <brobostigon> which it seems they have.
 Can anybody tell me how I would boot a .IMG (pfSense-2.0.3-RELEASE-1g-i386-nanobsd-20130412-1022.img) how can I boot this or run this on my machine?
 I have blank DVD-R's.
[19:28] <HoT|2fC^> I want to do this BSD Router :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: what does 'file' say?
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: file blah.img
[19:29] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS ^^ Above mate :)
[19:30] <HoT|2fC^> I wan't to run pfSense 2.0.3 Relaese.
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: yes.. run the command "file pfSense-2.0.3-RELEASE-1g-i386-nanobsd-20130412-1022.img" please :)
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> and paste the output
[19:30] <HoT|2fC^> Ok brb jumping on my Ubuntu machine :)
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> thanks MartijnVdS
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: that's not good for most hardware :P
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: "file" will just tell you what kind of file it is
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> what isnt ?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> jumping on a computer is bad for the computer :P
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> ah cool I want to run it :) maybe test?
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS hahah yeah it is idd
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: no, if "file" says it's an iso-9660 or UDF image, you can burn it to CD or DVD by opening "brasero" and loading the image and burning it
[19:32] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok MartijnVdS I will go and double check now :) thanks.. brb.
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> if it's a "partition table" or "file system" of some kind, you need to "dd" it to an USB stick, or a partition on $same
[19:32] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> (partition table to the device, so /dev/sdz for example; file system to the partition, so /dev/sdz1 for instance)
[19:33] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok ok :)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> but it's probably an ISO image
[19:33] <HoT|2fC^> Well I tried to do it here on my Windows box but its not happending.
[19:34] <HoT|2fC^> using Deamontools etc.. and other type of programmes
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> weird, burning ISOs to disc is built into Windows Vista and up
[19:34] <HoT|2fC^> VMware
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> just right-click and burn
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> it's a vmware image?
[19:34] <HoT|2fC^> nono I want to try it :)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> oh :)
[19:35] <HoT|2fC^> never mind I have that Oracle VM VirtualBox
[19:35] <HoT|2fC^> :)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> woo, radius accounting is working now \o/
[19:47] <popey> ebenink!
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> hi popey
[19:50] <brobostigon> yay, my dad has brought me back a bottle of talisker from his trip, :)
[19:50] <mgdm> \o/
[19:51] <brobostigon> yay
[19:51] <brobostigon> will be yummy.
[19:51] <brobostigon> hip flask refill, me thinks.
[19:52] <mgdm> I got a hip flask and a bottle of Talisker for my birthday
[19:52] <mgdm> I've not *yet* put the two together
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: have you ordered Broeders or Dark Roast yet? :)
[19:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it will have to wait roughly a week, for more money.
[19:55] <brobostigon> delivary cost is my worry.
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yeah, that's a bit steep.. international shipping :(
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> maybe they could get a discount if they shipped a shipping container at once.. :)
[19:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: certainly, that my worry. and my main reason why i might not.
[20:01]  * MartijnVdS should write up the steps to set up freeradius + WPA-enterprise
[20:02] <^2fC> :o
[20:02] <^2fC> Sounds interesting MartijnVdS :D
[20:02] <^2fC> I just come on my Linux box took me a while lol, had something to eat and drink first :D
[20:53] <popey> L4D2 TIME!
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> nah, Zzz o'clock
[20:55] <popey> nn