[02:11] Noskcaj10, are you there? [02:11] hello ToZ [02:12] have you got the test onto launchpad yet? [02:12] Hi. Still new to this bzr thing. [02:13] I've pushed 2 test cases, but I guess I missed a step? [02:13] may i suggest you install bazaar explorer? it is a GUI version of bazaar [02:13] Just make sure you make a new branch for each test, we all get confused otherwise [02:13] How do you make a new branch? [02:14] Is it the qbzr package? [02:15] sudo apt-get install bzr-explorer [02:16] installed [02:16] to make a new branch, use "bzr push lp:~USERNAME/PROJECT/BRANCH_NAME" where USERNAME is your launchpad username (e.g. ToZ), PROJECT is the project (e.g. ubuntu-manual-tests) and BRANCH_Name is whatever you want it to be [02:16] bazaar explorer will do everything that bzr does except the branch command [02:19] done. Now how do I attach my Ristretto test case to this branch? [02:21] put the ristretto test in the packages file, then add it and push again [02:21] but please use a fresh branch. [02:22] Do you think you've worked it all out? [02:23] what do you mean by "use a fresh branch? === Noskcaj10 is now known as Noskcaj [02:23] ToZ, the actual manual tests branch, run "bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests" to get it [02:27] Okay, so after I get the branch, I add the file to the packages directory then run "bzr push lp:~USERNAME/PROJECT/BRANCH_NAME" . Do I change BRANCH_NAME for every test case I add? [02:44] ToZ, you first have to use the "add" command, then the "commit" command. it's easier to do this from bazaar explorer. [02:44] and yes [02:45] Thanks. When I click the Push button in bazaar explorer, it asks me for a location. I will change that to the name of the test case (after I add and commit). [02:46] Well, it seems to have worked from my end. [02:50] i'll merge it soon. good work [02:50] Do I have to do anything special in bazaar explorer now for the next one? Re-synch or something? Or do I just add/commit a new file and push a new branch? [17:27] pleia2, good [17:40] there have been jokes coming back from major conferences about how if our plane went down coming back to SFO that entire software projects would be destroyed ;) [17:41] the latest was openstack, I ended up sitting next to canonical's vp of cloud [17:41] and the whole flight was full of us [18:24] awwh [18:27] * skellat feels decontextualized [18:28] skellat: there was a plane crash at San Francisco airport yesterday [18:28] Ah, yes. Asiana Airlines [18:28] * pleia2 lives in SF and travels often [18:28] but not this weekend, fortunately :) [18:28] Praise be. [18:29] One of the few benefits to Los Angeles County, I suppose, is that they've got multiple airports [18:29] San Francisco on the other hand not so much [18:29] actually we have Oakland and San Jose too [18:29] I'll fly out of any of them depending on prices [18:30] both of them are pretty small though, it's been tough for them to absorb the overages from SFO [18:30] lots of cancelled flights once they got the in the air ones landed, and 2 of our 4 runways are still closed [18:31] I wind up equidistant between CLE and ERI. Nothing directly local here in Ohio's largest county geographically. [18:31] do you live near where Cheri lived? [18:32] I live closer to Erie, Pennsylvania [18:32] when she was meeting me in Vegas there were like 3 major airports she could fly out of, all far but about the same distance far :) [18:32] ah [18:32] Mansfield is southwest of Cleveland [18:32] * pleia2 nods [18:32] Cleveland is technically southwest of Ashtabula [18:32] I see [18:33] http://goo.gl/maps/mKx7P [18:34] * pleia2 has never been to ohio [18:34] tempting for the OLF though [18:34] maybe next year :) [18:34] I might need the help this year [18:34] Dunno [18:34] That's the subject for the next Burning Circle [18:41] * skellat wanders back to scripting [18:42] :) [18:42] nice to see folks jumping in with test case writing \o/ [21:49] so, if I wanted to change the text of our Xubuntu tab in the About Xfce option in our menu, where would I go? [21:49] currently it's not really about Xubuntu, it tells you where the Debian Xfce team lives [21:51] pleia2: xprop | grep CLASS tells me xfce4-about [21:51] micahg: thank you :) [21:51] * ochosi pokes micahg about gtk-theme-config [21:51] * micahg hides [21:51] ochosi: on my list, but other things are above it, what's our timeline? [21:51] * knome get micahg from under the table [21:53] * micahg needs to find a new hiding spot [21:53] micahg: dunno, my motto is "getting things done" [21:53] libxfce4ui [21:53] This package contains the Xfce settings plugin and the utility files for [21:53] libxfce4ui-1-0 which are: [21:53] - xfce4-about [21:53] that's the only mention I can find for xfce4-about [21:54] pleia2: yes, it's part of that package [21:54] pleia2: so we'd have to ship a patch for that in xubuntu [21:54] libxfce4ui-utils is the package [21:54] *binary [21:54] ochosi, we most probably do already, we have a tab called "Xubuntu" [21:54] ah right, i don't see that cause i'm using the one from git-master [21:55] pleia2, if you want to work on the actual text now.. i suppose i could join you on a pad ;) [21:55] so where would this patch live? [21:56] knome: the husband is grumping about being hungry, so we're about to wander out to find some foods ;) [21:56] heh, okay :) [21:56] (I was fine eating M&Ms) [21:56] :) [21:56] haha! [21:56] knome: but yes, soon we should do this [21:56] * knome is eating grapes [21:57] I wonder if we want to put the current Xubuntu tab stuff somewhere? but I don't know why any user would actually want to know where the Debian packaging team is [21:57] heh [21:57] well, we could make the current xubuntu tab say debian xfce or so [21:57] I wonder if it should say "Debian" on that tab, but since we're sucking it in it magically updated it with the OS name we're using [21:57] mr_pouit, stop hiding and tell us details if/since you know about this [21:57] (in that case, we're aren't carrying a patch at all, just magic) [21:58] huhu, I just came online and you jump on me [21:58] :) [21:58] mr_pouit: <3 <3 [21:58] mr_pouit, what did you expect?! [21:58] I think there shouldn't be any tab in Xfce 4.10 [21:58] micahg: so what's your timeline? [21:58] mr_pouit, i have that [21:58] ochosi: week or two [21:59] in my About Xfce I have: About, Credits, Xubuntu, Copyright [21:59] (this is an upgraded system, not fresh 13.04) [21:59] same here [21:59] micahg: mind if we set a deadline? [21:59] knome: oh, really? I thought I has disabled it to have only "Xfce 4.10, distributed by Xubuntu" in the title [21:59] s/has/had/ [21:59] ochosi: I would like to, but I'm juggling a lot ATM [21:59] micahg: i really don't wanna keep poking you every other day ;) [21:59] mr_pouit, says that too [22:00] the content of the tab can't be translated, so it's a pain [22:00] duh [22:00] * pleia2 food seeking [22:00] pleia2, bon appetit! [22:00] Can you guys answer how well Xubuntu will transition to MIR only in14.04 without XMIR? [22:01] mikodo: not planning on that [22:01] maybe we should look at getting that tab removed completely, and get the about stuff in the docs [22:01] ochosi: I'll try to get something up to mentors this week [22:01] (which we should be get translatable/translations working for them) [22:01] micahg, can you explain [22:01] ochosi: I think I need to do at least one PR to github though [22:01] micahg: ok, so i'll bug you again towards the end of the week, ok? [22:01] knome: do you have /usr/share/xfce4/vendorinfo ? [22:02] micahg: PR? [22:02] mikodo: upstream Xfce isn't planning on leaving X, so we'll use XMir if we go the Mir route [22:02] knome: if yes, that's a bug, I'll remove it and the tab will disappear [22:02] mr_pouit, yes, i have it [22:02] mr_pouit, but again, this is an upgrade [22:02] ochosi: pull request [22:02] micahg, Cool! [22:02] micahg: ah ok, i was thinking pre-release or something :) [22:02] micahg: ok, thanks then! [22:03] ochosi: currently, the images aren't shipped and not generated at build time AFAICT [22:03] mr_pouit, that sounds fair [22:03] mr_pouit, (removing the tab et al) [22:03] micahg: hm, what images? [22:04] micahg, Interesting you said "if we go the MIR route". So, things are not decided yet. [22:04] mikodo, we're having a community meeting on thursday, and the mir issue is on the agenda. [22:05] micahg, Yes, i plan to attend. Looking forward to hearing jono has to say [22:07] micahg, I hope you guys ask lots of questions. I don't have knowledge or understanding to ask pertinent ones.\ [22:08] That's easy: if xmir doesn't provide proper xrandr and xi compatibility, that's a no from me [22:08] +1 [22:10] Is Xorg going to be continued to be developed? [22:11] After wayland and/or MIR takes hold [22:14] So, Xubuntu can continue to use XMIR, in 14.04 if you choose, even after Ubuntu is just on MIR? [22:16] Alright, I guess these are topics I shouldn't be asking here at this time. Thanks everyone. [22:16] mikodo: I suggest tabling this for the meeting later this week where we are likely to have a boisterous, lively discussion [22:16] mikodo: The meeting is open and in this channel on Thursday [22:17] skellat, Thanks [22:17] mikodo: Jono Bacon will be along to discuss the matter so I do think things will be certainly boisterous [22:17] :-) [22:22] skellat: wow, nice new word for my vocabulary. boisterous. [22:23] :P [22:23] mr_pouit: would pkg-xfce take gtk-theme-config? [22:24] mr_pouit: I don't think it would be a proposed option without those things, but I'd agree with that [22:25] micahg: from what I could find (there's nearly zero doc on xmir), there was compatibility with RandR 1.0 [22:25] (which is basically as useful as Windows 98 for managing multiple outputs) [22:26] mr_pouit: it's certainly not complete, but it's got to be usable as there are so many apps for X [22:26] I"m hoping by feature freeze it's good to go, otherwise, we can opt out as well [22:29] micahg: gtk-theme-config isn't xfce specific, so I'd say no. [22:31] ok, I'm planning to ITP with ochosi as uploader [22:31] didn't make sense to me to have it just in Ubuntu as it's not Ubuntu specific either [22:31] and I've got to start my path to DD sometime [22:32] mr_pouit: care to be uploader as well? [22:32] and are you a DM/DD yet [22:32] pleia2: filed 1198746 about your issue [22:32] lp 1198746 [22:32] micahg: yes, why not, and no, not yet :P [22:32] Launchpad bug 1198746 in libxfce4ui (Ubuntu) "Drop /usr/share/xfce4/vendorinfo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198746 [22:33] mr_pouit, awesome [22:34] (I should start my path to dd too, before ubuntu replaced xorg with MIR and the kernel with ISS) [22:34] so, after this awesome horrible joke, good night [22:34] mr_pouit: ISS? [22:34] good night mr_pouit [22:34] :) [22:34] mr_pouit: did you mean IIS? [22:34] oh, no [22:34] I get it :D [22:35] this ISS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station ;-) [22:35] * skellat smacks head [22:35] har har [22:35] mr_pouit: Your humor is subtle, not unlike that of some relatives of mine [22:35] some slapstick humor now and then works though [22:36] soon, desktop will make you appear, da? [22:38] huhu? [22:57] bbl -> [23:29] knome, when will you have a saucy version of the shimmer PPA up?