[02:11] <ToZ> Noskcaj10, are you there?
[02:11] <Noskcaj10> hello ToZ 
[02:12] <Noskcaj10> have you got the test onto launchpad yet?
[02:12] <ToZ> Hi. Still new to this bzr thing. 
[02:13] <ToZ> I've pushed 2 test cases, but I guess I missed a step?
[02:13] <Noskcaj10> may i suggest you install bazaar explorer? it is a GUI version of bazaar
[02:13] <Noskcaj10> Just make sure you make a new branch for each test, we all get confused otherwise
[02:13] <ToZ> How do you make a new branch?
[02:14] <ToZ> Is it the qbzr package?
[02:15] <Noskcaj10> sudo apt-get install bzr-explorer
[02:16] <ToZ> installed
[02:16] <Noskcaj10> to make a new branch, use "bzr push lp:~USERNAME/PROJECT/BRANCH_NAME" where USERNAME is your launchpad username (e.g. ToZ), PROJECT is the project (e.g. ubuntu-manual-tests) and BRANCH_Name is whatever you want it to be
[02:16] <Noskcaj10> bazaar explorer will do everything that bzr does except the branch command
[02:19] <ToZ> done. Now how do I attach my Ristretto test case to this branch?
[02:21] <Noskcaj10> put the ristretto test in the packages file, then add it and push again
[02:21] <Noskcaj10> but please use a fresh branch.
[02:22] <Noskcaj10> Do you think you've worked it all out? 
[02:23] <ToZ> what do you mean by "use a fresh branch?
[02:23] <Noskcaj> ToZ, the actual manual tests branch, run  "bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests" to get it
[02:27] <ToZ> Okay, so after I get the branch, I add the file to the packages directory then run "bzr push lp:~USERNAME/PROJECT/BRANCH_NAME" . Do I change BRANCH_NAME for every test case I add?
[02:44] <Noskcaj> ToZ, you first have to use the "add" command, then the "commit" command. it's easier to do this from bazaar explorer. 
[02:44] <Noskcaj> and yes
[02:45] <ToZ> Thanks. When I click the Push button in bazaar explorer, it asks me for a location. I will change that to the name of the test case (after I add and commit).
[02:46] <ToZ> Well, it seems to have worked from my end. 
[02:50] <Noskcaj> i'll merge it soon. good work
[02:50] <ToZ> Do I have to do anything special in bazaar explorer now for the next one? Re-synch or something? Or do I just add/commit a new file and push a new branch?
[17:27] <knome> pleia2, good
[17:40] <pleia2> there have been jokes coming back from major conferences about how if our plane went down coming back to SFO that entire software projects would be destroyed ;)
[17:41] <pleia2> the latest was openstack, I ended up sitting next to canonical's vp of cloud
[17:41] <pleia2> and the whole flight was full of us
[18:24] <knome> awwh
[18:27]  * skellat feels decontextualized
[18:28] <pleia2> skellat: there was a plane crash at San Francisco airport yesterday
[18:28] <skellat> Ah, yes.  Asiana Airlines
[18:28]  * pleia2 lives in SF and travels often
[18:28] <pleia2> but not this weekend, fortunately :)
[18:28] <skellat> Praise be.
[18:29] <skellat> One of the few benefits to Los Angeles County, I suppose, is that they've got multiple airports
[18:29] <skellat> San Francisco on the other hand not so much
[18:29] <pleia2> actually we have Oakland and San Jose too
[18:29] <pleia2> I'll fly out of any of them depending on prices
[18:30] <pleia2> both of them are pretty small though, it's been tough for them to absorb the overages from SFO
[18:30] <pleia2> lots of cancelled flights once they got the in the air ones landed, and 2 of our 4 runways are still closed
[18:31] <skellat> I wind up equidistant between CLE and ERI.  Nothing directly local here in Ohio's largest county geographically.
[18:31] <pleia2> do you live near where Cheri lived?
[18:32] <skellat> I live closer to Erie, Pennsylvania
[18:32] <pleia2> when she was meeting me in Vegas there were like 3 major airports she could fly out of, all far but about the same distance far :)
[18:32] <pleia2> ah
[18:32] <skellat> Mansfield is southwest of Cleveland
[18:32]  * pleia2 nods
[18:32] <skellat> Cleveland is technically southwest of Ashtabula
[18:32] <pleia2> I see
[18:33] <skellat> http://goo.gl/maps/mKx7P
[18:34]  * pleia2 has never been to ohio
[18:34] <pleia2> tempting for the OLF though
[18:34] <pleia2> maybe next year :)
[18:34] <skellat> I might need the help this year
[18:34] <skellat> Dunno
[18:34] <skellat> That's the subject for the next Burning Circle
[18:41]  * skellat wanders back to scripting
[18:42] <pleia2> :)
[18:42] <pleia2> nice to see folks jumping in with test case writing \o/
[21:49] <pleia2> so, if I wanted to change the text of our Xubuntu tab in the About Xfce option in our menu, where would I go?
[21:49] <pleia2> currently it's not really about Xubuntu, it tells you where the Debian Xfce team lives
[21:51] <micahg> pleia2: xprop | grep CLASS tells me xfce4-about
[21:51] <pleia2> micahg: thank you :)
[21:51]  * ochosi pokes micahg about gtk-theme-config
[21:51]  * micahg hides
[21:51] <micahg> ochosi: on my list, but other things are above it, what's our timeline?
[21:51]  * knome get micahg from under the table
[21:53]  * micahg needs to find a new hiding spot
[21:53] <ochosi> micahg: dunno, my motto is "getting things done"
[21:53] <pleia2> libxfce4ui
[21:53] <pleia2>  This package contains the Xfce settings plugin and the utility files for
[21:53] <pleia2>  libxfce4ui-1-0 which are:
[21:53] <pleia2>    - xfce4-about
[21:53] <pleia2> that's the only mention I can find for xfce4-about
[21:54] <ochosi> pleia2: yes, it's part of that package
[21:54] <ochosi> pleia2: so we'd have to ship a patch for that in xubuntu
[21:54] <micahg> libxfce4ui-utils is the package
[21:54] <micahg> *binary
[21:54] <knome> ochosi, we most probably do already, we have a tab called "Xubuntu"
[21:54] <ochosi> ah right, i don't see that cause i'm using the one from git-master
[21:55] <knome> pleia2, if you want to work on the actual text now.. i suppose i could join you on a pad ;)
[21:55] <pleia2> so where would this patch live?
[21:56] <pleia2> knome: the husband is grumping about being hungry, so we're about to wander out to find some foods ;)
[21:56] <knome> heh, okay :)
[21:56] <pleia2> (I was fine eating M&Ms)
[21:56] <ochosi> :)
[21:56] <knome> haha!
[21:56] <pleia2> knome: but yes, soon we should do this
[21:56]  * knome is eating grapes
[21:57] <pleia2> I wonder if we want to put the current Xubuntu tab stuff somewhere? but I don't know why any user would actually want to know where the Debian packaging team is
[21:57] <knome> heh
[21:57] <knome> well, we could make the current xubuntu tab say debian xfce or so
[21:57] <pleia2> I wonder if it should say "Debian" on that tab, but since we're sucking it in it magically updated it with the OS name we're using
[21:57] <knome> mr_pouit, stop hiding and tell us details if/since you know about this
[21:57] <pleia2> (in that case, we're aren't carrying a patch at all, just magic)
[21:58] <mr_pouit> huhu, I just came online and you jump on me
[21:58] <knome> :)
[21:58] <pleia2> mr_pouit: <3 <3
[21:58] <knome> mr_pouit, what did you expect?!
[21:58] <mr_pouit> I think there shouldn't be any tab in Xfce 4.10
[21:58] <ochosi> micahg: so what's your timeline?
[21:58] <knome> mr_pouit, i have that
[21:58] <micahg> ochosi: week or two
[21:59] <pleia2> in my About Xfce I have: About, Credits, Xubuntu, Copyright
[21:59] <pleia2> (this is an upgraded system, not fresh 13.04)
[21:59] <knome> same here
[21:59] <ochosi> micahg: mind if we set a deadline?
[21:59] <mr_pouit> knome: oh, really? I thought I has disabled it to have only "Xfce 4.10, distributed by Xubuntu" in the title
[21:59] <mr_pouit> s/has/had/
[21:59] <micahg> ochosi: I would like to, but I'm juggling a lot ATM
[21:59] <ochosi> micahg: i really don't wanna keep poking you every other day ;)
[21:59] <knome> mr_pouit, says that too
[22:00] <mr_pouit> the content of the tab can't be translated, so it's a pain
[22:00] <knome> duh
[22:00]  * pleia2 food seeking
[22:00] <knome> pleia2, bon appetit!
[22:00] <mikodo> Can you guys answer how well Xubuntu will transition to MIR only in14.04 without XMIR?
[22:01] <micahg> mikodo: not planning on that
[22:01] <knome> maybe we should look at getting that tab removed completely, and get the about stuff in the docs
[22:01] <micahg> ochosi: I'll try to get something up to mentors this week
[22:01] <knome> (which we should be get translatable/translations working for them)
[22:01] <mikodo> micahg, can you explain
[22:01] <micahg> ochosi: I think I need to do at least one PR to github though
[22:01] <ochosi> micahg: ok, so i'll bug you again towards the end of the week, ok?
[22:01] <mr_pouit> knome: do you have /usr/share/xfce4/vendorinfo ?
[22:02] <ochosi> micahg: PR?
[22:02] <micahg> mikodo: upstream Xfce isn't planning on leaving X, so we'll use XMir if we go the Mir route
[22:02] <mr_pouit> knome: if yes, that's a bug, I'll remove it and the tab will disappear
[22:02] <knome> mr_pouit, yes, i have it
[22:02] <knome> mr_pouit, but again, this is an upgrade
[22:02] <micahg> ochosi: pull request
[22:02] <mikodo> micahg, Cool!
[22:02] <ochosi> micahg: ah ok, i was thinking pre-release or something :)
[22:02] <ochosi> micahg: ok, thanks then!
[22:03] <micahg> ochosi: currently, the images aren't shipped and not generated at build time AFAICT
[22:03] <knome> mr_pouit, that sounds fair
[22:03] <knome> mr_pouit, (removing the tab et al)
[22:03] <ochosi> micahg: hm, what images?
[22:04] <mikodo> micahg, Interesting you said "if we go the MIR route". So, things are not decided yet. 
[22:04] <knome> mikodo, we're having a community meeting on thursday, and the mir issue is on the agenda.
[22:05] <mikodo> micahg, Yes, i plan to attend. Looking forward to hearing jono has to say
[22:07] <mikodo> micahg, I hope you guys ask lots of questions. I don't have knowledge or understanding to ask pertinent ones.\
[22:08] <mr_pouit> That's easy: if xmir doesn't provide proper xrandr and xi compatibility, that's a no from me
[22:08] <ochosi> +1
[22:10] <mikodo> Is Xorg going to be continued to be developed?
[22:11] <mikodo> After wayland and/or MIR takes hold
[22:14] <mikodo> So, Xubuntu can continue to use XMIR, in 14.04 if you choose, even after Ubuntu is just on MIR?
[22:16] <mikodo> Alright, I guess these are topics I shouldn't be asking here at this time. Thanks everyone.
[22:16] <skellat> mikodo: I suggest tabling this for the meeting later this week where we are likely to have a boisterous, lively discussion
[22:16] <skellat> mikodo: The meeting is open and in this channel on Thursday
[22:17] <mikodo> skellat, Thanks
[22:17] <skellat> mikodo: Jono Bacon will be along to discuss the matter so I do think things will be certainly boisterous
[22:17] <skellat> :-)
[22:22] <ochosi> skellat: wow, nice new word for my vocabulary. boisterous.
[22:23] <lderan> :P
[22:23] <micahg> mr_pouit: would pkg-xfce take gtk-theme-config?
[22:24] <micahg> mr_pouit: I don't think it would be a proposed option without those things, but I'd agree with that
[22:25] <mr_pouit> micahg: from what I could find (there's nearly zero doc on xmir), there was compatibility with RandR 1.0
[22:25] <mr_pouit> (which is basically as useful as Windows 98 for managing multiple outputs)
[22:26] <micahg> mr_pouit: it's certainly not complete, but it's got to be usable as there are so many apps for X
[22:26] <micahg> I"m hoping by feature freeze it's good to go, otherwise, we can opt out as well
[22:29] <mr_pouit> micahg: gtk-theme-config isn't xfce specific, so I'd say no.
[22:31] <micahg> ok, I'm planning to ITP with ochosi as uploader
[22:31] <micahg> didn't make sense to me to have it just in Ubuntu as it's not Ubuntu specific either
[22:31] <micahg> and I've got to start my path to DD sometime
[22:32] <micahg> mr_pouit: care to be uploader as well?
[22:32] <micahg> and are you a DM/DD yet
[22:32] <mr_pouit> pleia2: filed 1198746 about your issue
[22:32] <knome> lp 1198746
[22:32] <mr_pouit> micahg: yes, why not, and no, not yet :P
[22:33] <knome> mr_pouit, awesome
[22:34] <mr_pouit> (I should start my path to dd too, before ubuntu replaced xorg with MIR and the kernel with ISS)
[22:34] <mr_pouit> so, after this awesome horrible joke, good night
[22:34] <skellat> mr_pouit: ISS?
[22:34] <knome> good night mr_pouit 
[22:34] <knome> :)
[22:34] <micahg> mr_pouit: did you mean IIS?
[22:34] <micahg> oh, no
[22:34] <micahg> I get it :D
[22:35] <mr_pouit> this ISS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station ;-)
[22:35]  * skellat smacks head
[22:35] <knome> har   har
[22:35] <skellat> mr_pouit: Your humor is subtle, not unlike that of some relatives of mine
[22:35] <knome> some slapstick humor now and then works though
[22:36] <micahg> soon, desktop will make you appear, da?
[22:38] <knome> huhu?
[22:57] <knome> bbl ->
[23:29] <Noskcaj> knome, when will you have a saucy version of the shimmer PPA up?