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siretartmdeslaur: FYI: I've released libav 0.8.8 and libav 9.8 yesterday night05:17
glitchd_hello all05:24
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dholbachgood morning07:09
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mwhudsonturning a pile of .deb files into something i can point apt-get at means apt-ftparchive, right?07:54
rbasakmwhudson: right07:56
dholbachhey mvo, do you think you could take a look at lp:~evfool/update-manager/lp1079136?08:00
dholbach@pilot in08:00
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mwhudsonrbasak: i even made it work!08:08
mwhudsonunfortunately the packages i built are for raring and i'm trying to install them on quantal...08:08
rbasakmwhudson: sbuild is your friend :)08:09
dholbachcan somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~malizor/ubuntu/saucy/ubuntu-wallpapers/fix-for-1177260/+merge/171911?08:11
mvodholbach: sure!08:12
dholbachthanks mvo08:12
dholbachmvo, lp:~dylanmccall/update-manager/dialogs-refactor too please :)08:12
seb128dholbach, mvo: good morning my german friends, how are you?08:13
dholbachdoing well - how about you?08:13
seb128I'm good thanks, summer finally arrived!08:13
mvohey seb128! I'm good, how are you?08:13
seb128mvo, I'm good thanks ;-)08:13
seb128mvo, do you have months of holidays for summer break like student? ;-)08:13
seb128mvo, oh, the internet says it's not summer break in germany yet ... that just started in France08:15
Laneyhaha, for staff at universities that is when the real work happens08:16
seb128I see :p08:17
seb128dholbach, that gconf sync request is buggy, you can invalid it08:17
dholbachseb128, it could be changed to be a merge(?)08:18
dholbachnot sure if obounaim is up for that though08:18
seb128though I wouldn't trust somebody who overlooked most of the work to do this merge correctly...08:18
seb128I will review it if he does it08:18
seb128let's see ;-)08:18
mvoseb128: yeah, no holidays for me :(08:19
seb128mvo, :-(08:19
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devinceble Does qtdeclarative5-hud1.0 library present on 13.04 or 13.10 only?08:32
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Noskcajwhat do i do for a needs packaging bug that already has a .deb file automatically made09:19
smbAre the problems with the time&date and privacy (at least) settings dialogues in S already known? Those seem to be unusable right now.09:38
margaev, I'm having issues with whoopsie in precise, which is getting re-installed even though I had previously removed it, likely due to a new ubuntu-desktop release.  The issue is that both installing and removing the package crash my X session.  I've narrowed it down to the user adding/deleting, and I suspect this is due to the /var/crash handling.09:38
margaev,  I checked the bugs, expecting this to be reported, but it's not, so I'm unsure if it's something specific to my setup, or so recent that nobody else has seen it/identified it yet.09:38
margaJust adding the user with the command line in the postinst script crashes my session...09:39
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evmarga: that sounds like something is demonstrably broken in your setup. Calling adduser shouldn't bring down your X session.09:40
evAnd if it does, the bug definitely isn't in whoopsie.09:41
yofelhi, is there someone that knows why gdk_x_error() is fatal?09:41
yofelContext: bug 1195007 is a nasty SRU regression in raring for KDE applications running under Unity/Gnome caused by the fix for bug 118006709:41
yofelI'm kinda lost on what the proper way to resolve this would be.09:41
ubottubug 1195007 in kile (Ubuntu) "kile crashes when click on "file new + save"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119500709:41
ubottubug 1180067 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Raring) "No icons on buttons" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118006709:41
margaev, you are right.  I just tried it and adding or removing any users kills my X.  So it's not whoopsie.  Sorry for the false ping.09:45
evno worries09:45
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dholbach@pilot out10:14
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* ogra_ hugs dholbach 10:18
* dholbach hugs ogra_ back :)10:18
* smb is grumpy finding Saucy's workspace moving keybindings gone random this morning10:20
cjwatsonyay, glatzor is some kind of superstar.  (example patch for packagekit click backend; will need work but it's a lot easier to iterate on a patch)10:20
dholbachthat's awesome :)10:22
cjwatsonand reminds me that I need to ask for a new mime type10:22
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mdeslaursiretart: great, thanks!11:39
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hallyn_SpamapS: could you please accept https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=qemu-kvm ?12:44
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xnoxcjwatson: apachelogger reports that SRU bug 1180067 has caused a regression in raring, see last comment on that bug report.13:03
ubottubug 1180067 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Raring) "No icons on buttons" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118006713:03
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cjwatsonxnox: OK, not sure I can do a whole lot just at the moment, needs somebody who knows more about it to assess it13:12
ubottucjwatson, jdong, pitti, skaet, ScottK, kees, Daviey, pgraner: reporting regression in a stable release update; investigate severity, start an incident report, perhaps have the package blacklisted from the archive13:12
Riddellmitya about?13:12
Riddellxnox: do you know when he's normally on?13:13
ScottKRiddell: he's on vacation this week, IIRC.13:13
RiddellI think I'll just upload it with the patch reverted and let mitya fix it when he's back13:18
Riddellfix isn't super important but regression is13:18
xnoxRiddell: it might be a one-liner fix: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20120618/582fd1dd/attachment-0001.obj13:26
xnoxthis should cause gtk/gdk to ignore all X errors.13:26
xnoxRiddell: but then again, we need to fix it in saucy as well.13:28
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ScottKxnox: I think the SRU regression is more important for the moment.13:30
xnoxRiddell: apachelogger: ScottK: Looking at other uses of gtk_init in qt4, shows that Xerror handler is stored before calling gtk_init, and reset back after. Thus the patch to fix the regression is something like this:13:42
xnoxnot tested yet, building.13:43
apacheloggerxnox: makes sense13:45
RiddellScottK: I uploaded qt without the patch to revert bug 1180067 , you could let it through now if you have a moment and we could delete it if xnox gets his patch to work13:52
ubottubug 1180067 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Raring) "No icons on buttons" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118006713:52
seb128Riddell, ScottK, xnox: if any of you feels like doing some qt sponsoring, Mirv was looking for someone to sponsor the saucy qtdeclarative waiting in the sponsoring queue13:53
Riddellseb128: ok can look13:54
seb128Riddell, thanks13:54
xnoxRiddell: ScottK: i think raring-updates revert should be published, and my fix should be tested/bake in saucy and can go through as a normal SRU for raring.13:54
ScottKSounds reasonable.13:54
ScottKI just accepted the revert.13:55
xnoxI'm using bug #1195007 as the regression report of bug #118006713:56
ubottubug 1195007 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "kile crashes when click on "file new + save"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119500713:56
ubottubug 1180067 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Raring) "No icons on buttons" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118006713:56
xnoxev: bdmurray: did / would have errors noticed above regression ^ sru released on 1st of july of qt4-x11, causing rdepends to crash a lot.13:59
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bdmurrayxnox: I'll have a look14:01
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SpamapShallyn_: done15:04
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hallyn_SpamapS: lol!  i had actually *just* decided to re-upload with another fix in it.  But cool, will wait for this one to clear - thanks!15:06
SpamapShallyn_: You LOSE. You get NOTHING. GOOD DAY SIR.15:09
hallyn_SpamapS: ?15:11
SpamapShallyn_: not a wonka fan eh?15:11
hallyn_sorry, haven't seen it.15:12
hallyn_might have to one of these days.15:12
infinityrbasak: Hrm.  Someone's going to want to backport this golang 1.1 to older releases, aren't they? :/15:25
infinityrbasak: Which means I either need to backport my dpkg patch, or make golang *also* add the arch tags.  Bother.15:26
SpamapShallyn_: oops, I forgot to actually hit "accept" on qemu-kvm .. so it is just now going through ;)15:30
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plarscjwatson: you mentioned to me a while back that you had a patch to apt to give better debugging of the "something wicked happened" errors, that hasn't made it into saucy yet?15:33
cjwatsonplars: It's in Debian unstable, I think pending a merge15:37
cjwatsonDon't know what mvo's plans are there15:38
ricotzinfinity, hi :)15:42
ricotzinfinity, it is worth you simply retry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.3/1:3.3-3 or would you expect it to fail again?15:42
infinityricotz: It'll fail again.15:43
Sarvatt^ builds fine on raring, gcc-4.8 fun?15:43
ricotzit builds on raring without gold though15:44
infinitySo, stop using gold.  We don't use it for 3.215:44
Sarvattah right, just noticed that15:44
ricotzinfinity, debian introduced it for speed matters15:45
infinityricotz: Sure, and we unintroduced it.  I just haven't gotten to 3.3 yet.15:45
infinityricotz: Is there some urgency in making 3.3 happy?15:46
ricotzinfinity, alright15:46
ricotzwe want to use it in xedger's mesa15:46
Sarvattjust mesa git snapshots in a ppa but we can just shove an updated llvm-3.3 in that15:46
infinityDoes mesa require 3.3? :/15:46
infinityHow lovely.15:47
Sarvatthell, it'll probably require 3.4 by release in august and we'll have to disable features or add git crap to llvm again like what happened with 3.2..15:47
ricotzSarvatt, llvm-3.4 is in saucy too ;)15:47
infinityOh, hrm.  That PPC failure is curious, given that it worked on Debian.15:48
infinityWhere did my atomics go in gcc-4.8 on PPC?15:48
infinitydoko: ^15:48
smartboyhwWhen does patch pilots go on duty? (Just asking)15:48
infinitysmartboyhw: When they feel like it.15:48
smartboyhwinfinity, :O15:49
infinitysmartboyhw: We're scheduled by day, ish, but each pilot only puts in a 4h shift (again, ish), and not at a specific time.15:49
dokoinfinity, ?15:49
infinitydoko: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/143949118/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-powerpc.llvm-toolchain-3.3_1%3A3.3-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz15:50
infinitydoko: That doesn't happen in Debian.15:50
infinitydoko: Did g++-4.8 do something vile to PPC atomics?15:50
dokonot that I do know. the atomics lib shouldn't be needed on ppc15:52
bdmurraybarry: did you see the regression autocomment in bug 1058884?  It seems unrelated to me.15:55
ubottubug 1058884 in python3.3 (Ubuntu Raring) "Race condition in py_compile corrupts pyc files" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105888415:55
barrybdmurray: looking15:55
barrybdmurray: it could be related16:00
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ricotzinfinity, btw, llvm-3.3 is missing the symlinks added in llvm-toolchain-3.2 (1:3.2repack-7) too :\16:16
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xnoxinfinity: building android with modern gcc & glibc results in: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5855986/17:29
sarnoldxnox: in my x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/ucontext.h the REG_EBP is protected by #ifdef __USE_GNU17:32
xnoxsarnold: yeah, defined, just before including ucontext.h.17:36
sarnoldxnox: ah :/ good luck :)17:36
xnoxsarnold: infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5856022/17:41
xnoxwhat's wrong? =)))17:41
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tvossslangasek, ping19:43
mdzcjwatson, kees, pitti, soren, stgraber: TB in 2 minutes?19:58
sorenmdz: Absolutely.19:58
cjwatsonhave small child in lap, will see what I can manage19:58
cjwatsonbut he seems to have just gone to sleep ...19:58
mdzlooks like we'll manage a quorum19:59
cjwatsonno sign of Rick to talk about the series alias thing though20:00
xnoxsarnold: "Adding the #define before stdio.h does not help, as stdio.h includes features.h which undef __USE_GNU" stckoverflow win =) will apply the fix tomorrow, enough of this for today. So the answer is #include <stdio.h> \n #define __USE_GNU20:04
cjwatson#define _GNU_SOURCE20:04
cjwatsonyou're not meant to define __USE_GNU directly - define _GNU_SOURCE instead and you should be fine20:05
cjwatsonand do so at the very top of the file, before any other preprocessor tokens20:05
cjwatsonstackoverflow is wrong in this case :)20:05
xnoxcjwatson: well that doesn't work.20:05
cjwatsonI've used _GNU_SOURCE a lot, it certainly works in general.20:06
xnoxnever mind, it does with "-m32"20:06
xnoxcjwatson: now I wonder, why android went for __USE_GNU instead of _GNU_SOURCE.20:06
sarnoldxnox: oh! excellent :)20:11
xnoxsarnold: but, moving the guards to the beginning of the file and #defining _GNU_SOURCE as per cjwatson works better.20:12
xnoxQuote of the day: "Don't ever define __USE_GNU directly" From: Jakub Jelinek20:13
sarnoldthat sounds like a good one to remember. :)20:14
ubottugcc.gnu.org bug 2005 in c++ "loop in gcc when function has const additional" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]20:14
manishev: ping. please check your mail20:23
slangasektvoss: pong20:26
slangasekbdmurray: what's the best data source nowadays for information about whether users (as a whole) are using binary vs. free drivers?20:44
bdmurrayslangasek: I'm not sure off the top of my head20:54
slangasekbdmurray: well, what are our options?  The information is in bug reports, right, but I guess that's heavy to query in aggregate... and there's also Ubuntu Friendly which would have something20:56
ollibdmurray, I assume (would have to do an install myself to verify) that we don't collect HW information during install?20:57
bdmurrayolli: right we do not21:03
ollibdmurray, oki21:04
ollido you know whether we can create some insight when looking at the archive & mirrors? might be too cluttered as well I suppose21:04
bdmurrayolli: what is the question you are trying to answer?21:05
ollibdmurray, :)21:05
cjwatsonyou could ask IS for relative stats of some selected package; I don't know how helpful they'll be since installed doesn't say much about whether it's in use21:05
cjwatsonand indeed we often end up installing more hardware support than is used on a given machine21:06
cjwatsonwhile it's a sort of odd application, this could be minable from errors.u.c, which would be easier to query in aggregate than bug reports21:07
cjwatsonsounds like an interesting use case for ev's "let developers write hadoop jobs" thing21:07
cjwatsonof course that's skewed, it only tells you what *broken machines* use21:08
slangasekin the case of the binary drivers, they definitely don't get installed unless selected for use21:08
bdmurrayI'm not certain that errors has the right apport data for that either21:08
cjwatsonright - but you can switch back to something else later and I don't think they get uninstalled21:08
slangasekthey do21:08
cjwatsonoh, all of them?  I thought that was just the gl driver21:08
slangasekwell, we're only talking in the context of X drivers, sorry if that wasn't clear21:09
cjwatsonbut ok, if so then IS *might* be able to get something off mirrors21:09
bdmurrayoh, I guess errors has NonfreeKernelModules which may help21:10
* slangasek nods21:11
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ollisorry, didn't see the last comment and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/08/%23ubuntu-devel.txt isn't up to date21:16
ollimajor brownout here21:17
slangasekolli: 14:10 < bdmurray> oh, I guess errors has NonfreeKernelModules which may help21:17
bdmurraywell, looking further something is awry21:18
bdmurrayI don't see it in precise either...21:18
slangasekbdmurray: the conspicuous absence of the bit that sets the field?21:18
bdmurrayslangasek: right21:19
slangasekI'm sure I've seen that recently in bug reports, though21:19
slangasekbdmurray: data/general-hooks/generic.py21:19
slangasekadd_info() ?21:19
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bdmurrayah, great21:20
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Selling_FDhypno_superaffordable erotic hypnosis anyone? :)21:26
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