[01:49] <bjsnider> update-manager tells you when you run it that you need a dist upgrade
[02:27] <roasted> hello
[02:28] <roasted> jbicha: not to pester, but I noticed in 13.10 alpha, the software center worsk fine.
[02:28] <roasted> I threw 13.10 on my other partition to see if my lockup issue is resolved (I think it's a kernel 3.8 issue) and I noticed USC works fine
[02:59] <roasted> also, I thought 13.10 would come with the pressure sensitive message tray?
[03:25] <roasted> oh, that was a feature coming with xorg 1.14... 13.10 alpha is still on 1.13
[03:25] <roasted> will 13.10 be getting 1.14?
[03:31] <jbicha> maybe xorg 1.14 will be in saucy tomorrow
[03:32] <roasted> no kidding?
[03:58] <jbicha> I believe the Software Center crash is because of WebKit so you wouldn't be experiencing it on Saucy yet (assuming you aren't using the GNOME3 PPAs there)
[03:58] <roasted> yeah, no PPAs.
[03:58] <jbicha> thanks for prompting me to check my theory
[03:58] <roasted> Just regular 13.10 install.
[05:27] <sawrubh> I have downloaded the iso file from the cd images site, now I want to install it from inside Windows 7 (similar to what we used to do with wubi)
[05:27] <sawrubh> how can I do so ?
[05:30] <sawrubh> I've tried to mount the iso and then copying the wubi.exe inside to outside where the iso file is stored and following the steps I used to do earlier, but it starts downloading the torrent for the iso, instead of using the iso stored locally
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[17:56] <anonee> hello room
[17:56] <anonee> how can I exclude wine in emerald?
[19:09] <roasted> is GNOME online accounts broken or do I just have bad luck? I added exchange and own cloud yet nothing happened. not seeing any files contacts email etc
[19:37] <roasted> hmm my Fedora VM works with own cloud. looks like it just adds a web dav entry in Nautilus to mount easily. no such behavior in Ubuntu gnome though... is this expected?
[19:42] <jbicha> roasted: I believe Ubuntu cripples gnome-user-share's webdav support since it requires Apache and we have no intention of running Apache in the default Ubuntu install
[19:42] <roasted> so it will indefinitely be expected to have broken integration in Ubuntu GNOME?
[19:42] <jbicha> and the GNOME maintainer has no intention of splitting that feature out
[19:44] <jbicha> it's probably fixable but it may be difficult
[19:44] <roasted> is that to say ifi install Apache it might magically work again?
[19:45] <bjsnider> does fedora require apache by default?
[19:45] <jbicha> I thought it was more complicated than that
[19:45] <jbicha> bjsnider: yes, I think nearly all GNOME distros do because of gnome-user-share
[19:45] <bjsnider> guhh
[19:45] <jbicha> Debian does
[19:46] <jbicha> even more, gnome-control-center's sharing panel is designed around the Red Hat style of services...where distros ship things by default like openssh-server (but disabled by default)
[19:47] <roasted> I sure hope this won't be a broken thing indefinitely. that's one of the nice features of GNOME is the integration.
[19:47] <bjsnider> i don't know that i agree with that whole idea. a distro shouldn't depend on  httpd
[19:48] <jbicha> part of Ubuntu GNOME's mission as I see it is to try to work on integration issues like these
[19:49] <bjsnider> i think this is more of a gnome issue
[19:49] <jbicha> we've fixed a lot...just compare gnome-control-center on GNOME in 12.04 to what it's like now
[19:49] <bjsnider> someone should have put the kibosh on this before it became a thing
[19:49] <bjsnider> while it was still an idea and not yet a thing
[19:49] <jbicha> gnome-user-share has been that way for quite a while I believe
[19:50] <bjsnider> yeah but how many gnome users realize they're running httpd?
[19:50] <jbicha> Debian & Ubuntu don't have much presence in driving GNOME development
[19:50] <bjsnider> it doesn't pop up and say "you are running a web server. i hope you know that."
[19:51] <jbicha> and in this case, Debian didn't patch apache2 out of gnome-user-share (so it's shipped by default)
[19:51] <roasted> it also seems as if my exchange services work in my Fedora VM but not in the regular instance of Ubuntu gnome.... :-\
[19:52] <jbicha> roasted: 13.04 or 13.10?
[19:52] <roasted> calendar and all. I think that's a first.
[19:52] <roasted> saucy
[19:53] <jbicha> and you have ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed? go ahead and file a bug
[19:53] <roasted> but I recall having this issue with my 13.04 instance too
[19:53] <roasted> I'll check in a minute here
[19:54] <jbicha> it should be handled by evolution-data-server-goa
[19:54] <jbicha> but there's lots of pieces involved, from evolution to gnome-control-center and gnome-online-accounts
[19:57] <roasted> Ubuntu GNOME desktop installed on saucy
[19:58] <roasted> cancel that
[19:58] <roasted> exchange integration works in saucy
[19:58] <roasted> maybe it was raring that didn't
[19:59] <jbicha> ok, in raring make sure evolution-data-server-goa is installed
[19:59] <jbicha> we don't have anything explicitly depending on it in the GNOME3 PPA for Raring yet
[20:00] <jbicha> oh never mind, that version of EDS hasn't been backported to the GNOME3 PPA
[20:01] <roasted> this is great. I don't think I've ever had calendar and native exchange support in evolution
[20:02] <jbicha> darkxst: do you have any thoughts on this patch? https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-settings-daemon/enable-ibus-support/+merge/171856
[20:02] <roasted> the own cloud piece is a definite bummer though.
[20:03] <roasted> but it kooks like the own cloud integration Just adds a web DAV link in nautilus. it doesn't look like it does any actual file syncing like the client
[21:44] <roasted> What's different about Gnome's integration of Exchange services between 13.04 with Gnome3 PPA and 13.10? I have full syncing in 13.10, but nothing whatsoever in 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA...
[22:42] <darkxst> roasted owncloud webdav needs gvfs built against g-o-a
[22:44] <roasted> darkxst: so I guess that's what UbuGNOME is missing?
[22:45] <darkxst> roasted its on staging ppa
[22:46] <roasted> darkxst: I'm on 13.10...
[22:46] <roasted> would it not be there?
[22:46] <darkxst> gvfs in the archives is not built against g-o-a
[22:46] <jbicha> darkxst: I'm guessing that would hit bug 1193018 then :(
[22:46] <ubot5> bug 1193018 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "GOA support not completely split" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193018
[22:47] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh
[22:47] <jbicha> we should ask seb128 about it anyway
[22:48] <darkxst> well I havent actually looked too closely, but I expect so
[22:49] <roasted> darkxst: not entirely sure I follow. I took this as a limitation of the PPA in 13.04, but 13.10... I would have expected it to work... is this to say that gvfs won't be built against g-o-a at any point, even for future releases?
[22:50] <darkxst> roasted, we still need to work out some things with g-o-a in the main archives, i.e. the bug jbicha posted
[22:51] <roasted> darkxst: ah, I thought that was a separate issue... evolution+gmail vs gvfs+owncloud.
[22:53] <darkxst> well the root issue is the same, i.e. gvfs can't have a runtime dependency on goa
[22:53] <roasted> ah
[22:54] <darkxst> jbicha, I don't get why he wants to avoid using gnome-desktop 3.8 symbol?
[22:54] <roasted> evolution with gmail and exchange seem to work great in 13.10, for what it's worth.
[22:54] <roasted> both with mail and calendars
[23:23] <darkxst> jbicha, ok I see, that symbol was removed
[23:24] <darkxst> jbicha, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=55fee0c57563b95deddc4396eec87ab6bee35d34
[23:24] <darkxst> might be better to use that git patch
[23:25] <jbicha> you can suggest that to him
[23:32] <darkxst> ok
[23:49] <darkxst> jbicha, so I assume ibus 1.5 will land soon?