[00:03] <edburns> i tried to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 10 and it softbricked it. what can i do?
[00:35] <jram0421> Can you install app
[06:43]  * rickspencer3 phablet-flash -b
[06:49] <hikiko> hi
[06:49] <hikiko> are there any instructions on how to unbrick a nexus galaxy?
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:40] <JamesTait> Oyez! Oyez! Good morning all and happy Town Crier Day! :-D
[09:07] <dpm> morning tmoenicke, I've got a calculator app bug that affects the keyboard. I wanted to add a bug task for the keyboard, but I could not find any project for it in Launchpad. What would the best project be? It's bug 1198842
[09:13] <tmoenicke> dpm: hi. it would be touch-preview-images
[09:14] <dpm> thanks tmoenicke, added a bug task for it
[09:40] <hikiko> anyone who had a bricked phone?
[09:41] <hikiko> am I the only one looking for unbrick instructions?
[09:42] <popey> hikiko: hiya, I've not managed to brick mine
[09:42] <popey> when you say "brick", what state is it in?
[09:42] <popey> can you boot to recovery with power + vol?
[09:42] <dpm> tmoenicke, related to that bug ^^, is there any plan for custom keyboard layouts?
[09:43] <hikiko> popey, I can't turn it on see the bootloader screen etc
[09:43] <hikiko> cant boot
[09:47] <dpm> hikiko, what device is it? How are you trying to start the bootloader? What did you do before this happened?
[09:47] <hikiko> nexus galaxy
[09:47] <hikiko> dpm, I hadn't charge the phone for > 1month
[09:47] <hikiko> and then I:
[09:47] <hikiko> 1- plugged it in
[09:48] <hikiko> 2- pressed the 3 buttons that I usually press to start the bootloader
[09:48] <tmoenicke> dpm: yes, we will have that very soon
[09:48] <hikiko> 3- I saw the bootloader screen for a few seconds
[09:48] <hikiko> 4- it turned on by itself
[09:48] <hikiko> 5- I thought it's a battery issue so I left the phone charging > 12hrs
[09:48] <hikiko> then I was trying to turn it on and nothing was happening
[09:49] <hikiko> I can only see the charging icon
[09:49] <hikiko> appearing and disappearing when I plug/unplug it
[09:49] <dpm> tmoenicke, cool, is there a blueprint where we can track the status of when it gets implemented and how to use the feature? It'd be extremely useful for the calculator app developers.
[09:49] <popey> hikiko: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134940  see #3 comment
[09:51] <tmoenicke> dpm: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-apps-osk
[09:51] <hikiko> popey, I tried this also I installed windows to try this:
[09:51] <tmoenicke> dpm: dynamic layouts to support url, phone numbers, etcs: TODO
[09:51] <hikiko> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146790
[09:52] <dpm> tmoenicke, excellent, thanks! Nice to see the work to switch language in progress as well :)
[09:52] <hikiko> but I have troubles installing the OMAP driver
[09:52] <hikiko> and I thought that is better to ask here first in case there's a linux solution
[09:54] <popey> hikiko: sorry, I have no experience of this, I'd just be googling like you.
[09:55] <ogra_> hikiko, android prevents ypu from booting if the cable is plugged in (thats why it shows you that battery anumation, thats actually inside the initrd)
[09:55] <ogra_> hikiko, make sure to not have the phone plugged in when booting and it should just work
[09:55] <ogra_> (its an android issue, one of the silliest android features if you ask me)
[09:56] <hikiko> :D
[09:56] <hikiko> let me try ogra_
[09:57] <hikiko> nothing :s
[09:57] <ogra_> nothing means ?
[09:57] <hikiko> is there any "dangerous" option in the boot screen that might was selected when it turned off? it doesn't look reasonable :\
[09:57] <hikiko> it doesn't turn on
[09:58] <ogra_> google logo ? black screen ?
[09:58] <popey> I don't think even android ships with a "never boot again" tickbox ☻
[09:58] <hikiko> blank screen
[09:58] <ogra_> heh, no
[09:58] <hikiko> lol
[09:58] <ogra_> sounds like your battery might be broken
[09:58] <popey> iOS does, but you don't get to see it ㋛
[09:59] <hikiko> if it was the battery would it show the icon when plugged?
[09:59] <ogra_> thats just android trelling you there is a battery and a cable at the same time
[10:00] <hikiko> so, it means that there's an android alive somewhere?
[10:00] <hikiko> and the phone is not 100% dead?
[10:00] <ogra_> sure, but it wont let you boot since it belives you need yo charge the battery first
[10:01] <hikiko> ok I ll try to find another battery and check then
[10:01] <hikiko> is there any way to test
[10:01] <hikiko> if my battery is charged?
[10:01] <hikiko> if I remove it from the phone
[10:01]  * ogra_ doestn know one apart from a complete boot
[10:01] <ogra_> you could probably check it in sysfs from recovery
[10:02] <hikiko> hmmm if i use a voltmeter?
[10:02] <hikiko> :D
[10:02] <hikiko> I ll try with the voltmeter :)
[10:02] <hikiko> brb
[10:02] <ogra_> heh, sure
[10:12] <hikiko> ogra_, popey I get 1. and the value on the battery is 3.7V...
[10:12] <popey> oof
[10:12] <popey> that sounds double plus ungood
[10:12] <hikiko> which means that either my charger or the battery is broken?
[10:12] <hikiko> why?
[10:13] <hikiko> :s
[10:13] <hikiko> double plus ungood? :s
[10:15] <popey> well, it sounds bad.
[10:15] <hikiko> it's not just the charger popey ?
[10:16] <popey> well you could try another charger
[10:16] <popey> or charge via USB from a high current USB charger
[10:17] <ogra_> and make sure to use an actual charger .... just connecting to a PC will only get you 500mA
[10:18] <ogra_> (thats not enough)
[10:18] <hikiko> ok :) I will try charge it for more hours and come back :) thank you both!
[10:19] <ogra_> well, something like 30min on a real charger should be enough fo getting it to boot at least
[10:22] <hikiko> ok I ll try in 30 mins then
[10:22] <hikiko> just found another charger
[10:44] <davmor2> popey: what happened about the ubuntu-email-app in the end?
[10:45] <davmor2> popey: and should the sudoku app change it's name to conform to the other core app titles and be call ubuntu-sudoku-app?
[10:46] <ogra_> didnt we drop the ubuntu- everywhere ?
[10:46] <popey> davmor2: we're working on the email app, more soon
[10:47] <popey> indeed, we'll drop ubuntu- on the other apps
[10:49] <davmor2> popey, ogra_: I actually liked the ubuntu in front it made it easy to distinguish the ubuntu core apps from any others
[10:51] <davmor2> popey: it meant you could do dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-* and find most of the core apps :)
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: or apps that would work on touch images at any rate :)
[10:53] <popey> davmor2: apt-cache show touch-coreapps | grep Depends
[10:53] <popey> davmor2: apt-cache show touch-collection | grep Depends
[10:53] <popey> ☻
[10:55] <davmor2> popey: E: no package found for the bottom one but then I don't have the ppa added :P
[10:57] <popey> i do it with this script every time I flash my devices: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/post-flash.sh
[10:57] <popey> adds both PPAs and sets timezone etc
[11:11] <hikiko> ogra_, popey the battery doesn't charge but it's not the charger for sure (when I use it with other devices it works)
[11:11] <ogra_> well, likely time for a new battery then
[11:13] <hikiko> I am wondering if it's the battery or the phone was left in a bad state
[11:13] <hikiko> because all the instructions I see
[11:14] <hikiko> to unbrick
[11:14] <hikiko> start with a description where the phone cannot boot or charge
[11:14] <hikiko> :s
[11:14] <tsdgeos> hikiko: is the charger giving you enough mA? maybe it works for other devices that need less power to charge? or are the same model?
[11:15] <hikiko> the second charger I tried is for a nexus 7 tablet
[11:15] <tsdgeos> if you have the Nexus10 charger, that gives 2000mA i think, may be worth a try using that
[11:15] <tsdgeos> oh, ok
[11:15] <hikiko> and it works fine the tablet is not canonical's it's the tablet I use every day (still has android)
[11:15] <hikiko> so I know it works
[11:16] <tsdgeos> i see
[11:16] <hikiko> I wonder if I could somehow try to charge the battery without having the phone involved
[11:17] <hikiko> remove it and charge it externally
[11:17] <hikiko> is this possible?
[11:18] <hikiko> http://www.amazon.com/External-Battery-Charger-Samsung-Verizon/dp/B00754WDP4
[11:18] <hikiko> :D
[11:19] <ogra_> hikiko, the phone itself will get a complete HW reset if you remove battery and caable at the same time
[11:19] <ogra_> so i doubt its the fault of the phone
[11:20] <ogra_> (if you tried that already)
[11:20] <hikiko> :\
[11:20] <hikiko> tried
[11:20] <hikiko> ok i ll try with a new battery tomorrow
[12:26] <Mirv> jodh: hi! are you doing patch piloting today? searching for someone to sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/saucy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/merge_continued/+merge/173448 as seb128 may not necessarily have time for that, and we'd like that in
[12:31] <seb128> Mirv, you might try your chance with dholbach, he just some other qt sponsoring ;-)
[12:34] <hikiko> ogra_, popey I FIXED IIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!11
[12:34] <hikiko> It was NOT the battery!!!
[12:34] <hikiko> it was the phone!!!
[12:34] <ogra_> oh ?
[12:35] <hikiko> I see the bootloader again!!!!!!
[12:35] <hikiko> :DDDD
[12:35] <ogra_> what was it exactly /
[12:35] <ogra_> ?
[12:35] <hikiko> no idea but I can tell you how i fixed it!!
[12:35] <ogra_> thats what i meant
[12:36] <hikiko> I installed 2 drivers on windows and used a tool called omap4460_tuna_hs_pro (for windows)
[12:36] <ogra_> hmm
[12:36] <hikiko> and then I followed these instructions:
[12:36] <hikiko> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146790
[12:37] <dholbach> seb128, I finished my shift earlier already :/
[12:37] <dholbach> but at least I sponsored the other change
[12:39] <seb128> dholbach, no worry, that was in case ... but maybe ogra_ can do it, I've the feeling he did do any sponsoring for a while... ;-)
[12:40] <Mirv> dholbach: thanks for that! I didn't notice you on the patch pilot calendar for today
[12:40] <dholbach> Mirv, I was last week but had to move it as I was a busy with other stuff last week :)
[12:41] <Mirv> dholbach: ok. should you push the upload to lp:ubuntu/qtbase-opensource-src or somewhere?
[12:42] <dholbach> Mirv, that should be automerged after the upload landed in saucy
[12:42] <Mirv> dholbach: right, ok thanks.
[12:45] <popey> hikiko: good news!
[12:46] <hikiko> I still need to reinstall ubuntu
[12:46] <hikiko> because it boots to nothing atm
[12:46] <hikiko> but that's easy :D
[12:46] <hikiko> it seems that something was wrong with the bootloader :)
[12:47] <hikiko> or who knows rom parts erased, no idea :)
[12:47] <hikiko> anyway :D I am going to fix it!
[12:50] <jodh> Mirv: sorry, can't do today but will try tomorrow. Regardless, I can't sponsor yet I'm afraid ;(
[12:57] <asac>  \o/
[12:58] <asac> rsalveti: hello
[12:58] <rsalveti> asac: hey
[12:59] <asac> how is it going? are we ready for release :)?
[12:59] <rsalveti> asac: haha, sure, anytime
[13:00] <rsalveti> asac: at least flipped is now default, but a lot to come over the next few weeks
[13:00] <Mirv> jodh: ok, thanks. you were the only in the patchpilot calendar in European timezone, that's why I asked
[13:01] <jodh> Mirv: sure, still a trainee though I'm afraid ;)
[13:01] <sergiusens> asac: location bindings aren't complete yet
[13:01] <sergiusens> asac: camera-app glitch bugs already exist
[13:02] <asac> sergiusens: so location bindings not complete == in platform-api feature missing?
[13:02] <sergiusens> asac: they are in platform-api, missing in Qt
[13:02] <rsalveti> well, there's a pending mr for it in platform-api as well
[13:02] <asac> sergiusens: who is doing the qt part?
[13:03] <asac> sdk or us?
[13:04] <sergiusens> asac: tvoss is driving that, but not sure who's really responsible for it
[13:04] <sergiusens> asac: regarding camera glitches https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1125302
[13:05] <asac> sergiusens: nice. that exactly describes my issue :)
[13:05] <asac> thanks
[13:05] <asac> the milestone seems to be the past though :)
[13:06] <sergiusens> true
[13:07] <ogra_> we need to start filing bugs in the normal bugtracker asap
[13:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: normal as in not the code but the distro one?
[13:08] <rsalveti> well, this one is against the package itself
[13:08] <ogra_> normal as in not upstream, not under some artificial project like touch-preview-images
[13:08] <ogra_> rsalveti, nope, it is against upstream
[13:09] <rsalveti> indeed
[13:09] <ogra_> running "ubuntu-bug camera-app" on your phone will most likely not identify it as duplicate since it isnt in the distro namespace at all
[13:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: but should we dup in the package itself as well? the upstream bug seems fine as well
[13:10] <ogra_> ti should have a saucy-ubuntu task
[13:10] <rsalveti> it's hard when we're both upstream and downstream
[13:10] <ogra_> saucy/ubuntu
[13:10] <ogra_> we should encourage the usage of ubuntu-bug
[13:10] <ogra_> (that way all wiki documentation also applies automatically)
[13:11] <rsalveti> well, would that open the browser and such?
[13:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: but you'd need to run ubuntu-bug on the phone
[13:11] <rsalveti> never tried it on the phone
[13:11] <ogra_> sergiusens, indeed
[13:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: we need a ubuntu-bug --remote-system option or something
[13:11] <ogra_> well, i am under the assumprion that ev works on integratimng whoopsie and apport
[13:12] <ogra_> after all we want shiny stats on errors.u.c to identify the severity etc
[13:13] <ogra_> (and this will require the tools installed)
[13:14] <ogra_> in any case i think filing bugs upstream for packaged distro stuff is wrong ... even if we are upstream ourselves
[13:15] <didrocks> there are two solutions
[13:15] <didrocks> either syncing upstream/downstream
[13:15]  * didrocks has scripts for that, even opening a "master bug" on one project
[13:15] <ogra_> do tools like errors.u.c cope with that ?
[13:16] <didrocks> ogra_: errors.u.c is only crashes, so bugs opened with ubuntu-bugs
[13:16] <ogra_> right
[13:16] <didrocks> if you report a stacktrace manually, even against the packaging bug, it won't list it anyway :)
[13:16] <rsalveti> didrocks: did you always keep the bugs in sync for projects we're upstream? (package x upstream)
[13:16] <didrocks> but I think the prefer way is just to close upstream bug tracker
[13:16] <ogra_> ++
[13:16] <didrocks> rsalveti: I did that for a very long time in unity
[13:16] <didrocks> the script also opens a master "unity" task
[13:16] <rsalveti> right
[13:16] <didrocks> syncing status and so on
[13:17] <didrocks> but TBH, I would prefer we avoid continuing on that path :)
[13:17] <ogra_> as long as we are the only downstream for a project i agree that we should just use the downstream tracker
[13:17] <rsalveti> closing the upstream bug tracker works if only ubuntu is the downstream
[13:17] <rsalveti> which is fine for now
[13:17] <didrocks> I would say, let's do it that way for now with our current requirements and constraints
[13:17] <ogra_> if there are new downstreams showing up you indeed wnat an upstream specific tracker too
[13:17] <didrocks> and revisit later on
[13:17] <rsalveti> sounds fine
[13:18] <rsalveti> who will take the action of cleaning that up for all the projects we're upstream?
[13:18] <ogra_> (especially since new downstreams are less likely to use LP at all for their downstream bugs)
[13:18] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ogra_ popey did it last time, he may offer himself again :-)
[13:19] <didrocks> sergiusens: s/may/wants to/
[13:19] <didrocks> but doesn't know yet :p
[13:19] <ogra_> voluntold ...
[13:20] <sergiusens> how would you open a bug for something not in the distro?
[13:20] <ogra_> sergiusens, upstream
[13:20] <ogra_> in the upstream tracker ...
[13:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: wasn't the suggestion to close the stuff we are upstream for?
[13:21] <ogra_> but since you verified the bug in an ubuntu install you want a downstream task in LP anyway
[13:21] <ogra_> sergiusens, to close the upstream bugs for it and keep downstream ones open
[13:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: well not all packages are in ubuntu yet
[13:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: instead of closing, is there anything agains linking?
[13:22] <ogra_> thats why i'm so pushy to get rid of the PPAs :)
[13:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, no you can indeed just open a distro task on LP for LP upstream bugs
[13:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we can still keep the touch-preview for some things atm, but later on we might just move to package based bugs
[13:22] <rsalveti> we could have a report to show all the bugs for the packages we care
[13:23] <ogra_> errors.u.c should offer that
[13:23] <rsalveti> that way we could easily know which ones we need to fix and such
[13:23] <ogra_> (or at least should get support to filter for it at some point)
[13:23] <sergiusens> ok, but I mean, instead of closing bugs, to link existing ones, like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app/+bug/1125302
[13:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, not liking, just open an ubuntu task in it
[13:24] <ogra_> "also affects distro"
[13:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: I call that linking :-) Good then
[13:25] <ogra_> :)
[13:26] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but we still need to decide and close all the upstream bug tracking for packages that are already available in ubuntu
[13:26] <rsalveti> that's kind of a big manual task
[13:27] <ogra_> right, and kind of communicate the right defaults you need to process as reporter
[13:27] <rsalveti> yup
[13:27] <popey> 14:18:20 < rsalveti> who will take the action of cleaning that up for all the projects we're upstream?
[13:27] <popey> ok!
[13:27] <ogra_> (which shouldnt differ from normal ubuntu process in the end)
[13:27]  * popey hugs sergiusens 
[13:27] <popey> *tightly*
[13:27] <sergiusens> lol
[13:28] <sergiusens> popey: well I was volunteered after naming you, so I can do it too, or we can split the task
[13:28] <popey> I'll ping you in a bit, am middle of "stuff" at the moment, will organise it after that
[13:34] <krypticos> is there a desktop mode on ubuntu touch yet or will that be coming
[13:34] <krypticos> i figure its a coming feature just wondering
[13:34] <popey> Convergence is scheduled to land April next year krypticos
[13:35] <krypticos> thank you
[13:38] <davmor2> sergiusens: never name popey it's bound to back fire ;)
[13:45] <MacSlow> Cimi, kgunn: I think you two did meeting-notes at the same time :)
[13:46] <Cimi> kgunn, if you did, take yours mine were pretty much with a brain half switched off :)
[13:47] <kgunn> Cimi: MacSlow  hmmm....i took them in google docs
[13:47] <kgunn> Cimi: ah....Saviq had already started the 8th
[13:47] <MacSlow> kgunn, Cimi did them in a template-entry above yours if I saw that correctly
[13:47] <kgunn> MacSlow: yep...duped the 8th
[13:47] <Cimi> kgunn, I deleted mines
[13:48] <kgunn> np
[13:48] <Cimi> kgunn, I arrived later and started too quickly
[14:11] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, asac, olli, what's up with the smoke tests?
[14:11] <rickspencer3> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/
[14:11] <rickspencer3> I don't see much green there
[14:13] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3, seems a problem running some of the security tests. fact is we need more tests
[14:13] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, more tests are good, but it looks like the ones we have aren't passing
[14:14] <pmcgowan> I think they are not running, but need to check
[14:14] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, I don't see any for today, but for yesterday, it looks like none of the touch images past smoke tests
[14:14] <rickspencer3> and scrolling down, it looks like it's been some time since they have
[14:14] <ogra_> todays touch images are still building
[14:14] <rickspencer3> ogra_, thanks
[14:15] <ogra_> the cron job runs at 13:32 UTC
[14:15] <ogra_> and takes  between 50-90min
[14:15] <rickspencer3> ogra_, my question is really, why is that we have smoke tests not passing for what looks like quite a long time?
[14:15] <rickspencer3> it looks like it was June 25th since the touch images passed the smoke tests
[14:15] <rickspencer3> and that's just the *smoke* tests
[14:16] <ogra_> rickspencer3, well, looking at the tagged bug it took a few days to get the kernels changed and tested for iptables
[14:16] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: it because they are fixing infra for flipped
[14:16] <asac> rickspencer3: gimme a sec
[14:16] <asac> on a call
[14:16] <sergiusens> well, most of it was
[14:16]  * ogra_ has no insight into the testing stuff, only judging by the above table)
[14:16] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, what is infra?
[14:16] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ogra_ why do we now have a new sub folder for the downloads?
[14:16] <rickspencer3> you mean the testing infrastructure fell over?
[14:16] <ogra_> pmcgowan, ?
[14:17] <ogra_> rickspencer3, no, it needs updating for the new image format
[14:17] <pmcgowan> phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch/thedate
[14:17] <asac> rickspencer3: i know whats going on
[14:17] <asac> will ping you in  acouple minutes
[14:19] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: infrastructure
[14:19] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, ack
[14:20] <rickspencer3> I'm waiting to hear back from asac
[14:20] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: to support flipped and unflipped downlaods
[14:28] <asac> rickspencer3: pmcgowan: 1. utah is stable ... all tests that are supposed to run are run nicely every day.
[14:28] <asac> (afaics right now)
[14:29]  * rickspencer3 waits for 2. 
[14:29] <asac> rickspencer3: pmcgowan: 2. quite a few tests are ready for landing it seems (checked with tvoss); just noone did the last step and brought them over the line while i was there
[14:29] <asac> :)
[14:29] <asac> now your 3. :)
[14:29] <rickspencer3> asac, my question is different
[14:30] <rickspencer3> why did we allow changes to land that failed the smoke tests? and then, why did we tolerate broken smoke tests for so long?
[14:30] <asac> 3. we landed a security test that fails for a feature that is critical for this month, but which hasn't landed yet
[14:30] <asac> thats a visualization thing
[14:30] <rickspencer3> oops, there was a 3
[14:31] <asac> so the test that fails reflects that we dont have the new apparmore which blocks all app confinement and hence our click package demo
[14:31]  * ogra_ thought it was ufw failing 
[14:31] <ogra_> due to missing kernel support for iptables
[14:31] <jdstrand> ufw passes now
[14:31] <asac> culd be both ... but both are crtical for this month
[14:32] <ogra_> jdstrand, right, but it didnt for a while
[14:32] <asac> i felt it was valid to add stuff at the beginning of the month that is critical
[14:32] <jdstrand> I filed a bug to install ufw on the touch images by default
[14:32] <asac> and i didnt want to put the load to create a separate dashboard on QA
[14:32] <jdstrand> that should be enough to fix the ufw test
[14:32] <rickspencer3> asac, well, typically, we have a set of "smoke tests" that tell us if the image is worth testing that day
[14:32] <rickspencer3> does it install, boot, update, etc...?
[14:33] <jdstrand> (also, apparmor is on the images and the images are flipped-- it should pass now too)
[14:33] <asac> ok... what i am working on is daily image testing... the fact that they show in the smoke test dashboard is my wrongdoing
[14:33] <rickspencer3> "wrongdoing"
[14:33] <rickspencer3> lol
[14:33] <asac> rickspencer3: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGR3c1NUM2RnYkNBYjVMTkMxVjFqb2c#gid=0
[14:34] <asac> i will ask folks to make a separate "daily critical tests" dashboard if folks find it too confusing
[14:34] <rickspencer3> asac, well, it points out that we have a bit of a problem
[14:34] <rickspencer3> you explained the first part of question, but not the second part
[14:34] <asac> right. thats what i want to express. its critical. btw, there is the "default" which is the very minimal smoke
[14:35] <rickspencer3> "why did we tolerate broken smoke tests for so long?"
[14:35] <rickspencer3> we need to address this if we want to deliver everything that we want for 13.10
[14:36] <rickspencer3> we can't let long lists of bugs and regressions accrue, it slows everyone down
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[14:36] <asac> its not a regression. its a featyure that is critical but hasnt landed
[14:36] <asac> hence ... its a visualization thing.
[14:36] <rickspencer3> asac, well, I guess it points to a more general problem that I am seeing
[14:37] <rickspencer3> regressions getting into the product, and not immediately addressed
[14:37] <ogra_> no, tests landing before the feature is done
[14:37] <ogra_> :)
[14:37] <ogra_> always depends on the POV
[14:38] <asac> rickspencer3: the fail you see in the dashboard is not a regression. its a feature that hasn't landed...
[14:38] <asac> arguable its late
[14:38] <rickspencer3> asac, I understand what you are saying
[14:38] <asac> howver, i agree we have loads of important bugs
[14:38] <rickspencer3> right
[14:38] <fginther> popey, mhall119, apologies for missing the meeting, I've been having network issues today
[14:39] <rickspencer3> asac, what worries me in the story is not that some tests doomed to fail snuck into the smoke tests
[14:46] <ogra_> jdstrand, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy you can just add ufw there (any core-dev can)
[14:47] <jdstrand> ogra_: huh, I swear I did a bzr pull and it wasn't there
[14:47] <jdstrand> ogra_: thanks :)
[14:48] <jdstrand> ah
[14:48] <jdstrand> ubuntu*-touch*.saucy
[14:48]  * jdstrand snags
[14:48] <ogra_> yeah
[14:49] <ogra_> not in main yet so we kept is out of the normal seed branch
[14:49] <ogra_> it will get merged into the std, seeds at some point before release
[14:49] <jdstrand> that's cool
[14:50] <ogra_> there still has a lot of MIRing to happen ... we'll do that alongside
[14:50]  * jdstrand nods
[15:00] <asac> how about having the standup on hangout?
[15:02] <asac> veebers: hey ... what needs to happen before we can run http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/files/head:/tests/autopilot/ on our phone images?
[15:10] <AskUbuntu> adjust the window and keyboard size ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/317794
[15:34] <fginther> mzanetti, is this ready to merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/cupstream2distro-config/more-flexible-results/+merge/173187
[15:34] <mzanetti> fginther: yeah. I already changed the jobs manually to unblock them
[15:34] <mzanetti> fginther: so not in a rush, but should be merged before deploying next time
[15:35] <fginther> mzanetti, I'll get merged and deployed
[15:35] <mzanetti> fginther: cheers
[15:47] <netcurli> is there a planned date for the background services in Ubuntu touch (especially downloading files but also playing music)? I need these to get my podcast app into a usable state.
[15:51] <popey> netcurli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/SdkFeatureStatus is a good page to keep an eye on.. or better, the linked blueprints
[15:52] <popey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-background-task-service this one specifically
[15:52] <popey> ☹  no work items
[15:52]  * popey pokes tvoss 
[15:52] <tvoss> popey, hold on, otp
[16:06] <tvoss> popey, best to check with mhall119, the specific background tasks have been moved to individual blueprints
[16:06] <popey> ah
[16:06] <popey> ok
[16:07] <tvoss|dinner> popey, just leave me a message if you need anything else, will take a look once I'm back from dinner
[16:55] <davmor2> popey: open a terminal, let you phone sleep, go back to the terminal is you keyboard now a grey square and non functional as well as the terminal being non functional?
[16:56] <popey> davmor2: how did you wake the phone?
[16:56] <popey> (and then get back to terminal)
[16:57] <davmor2> popey: pressed the power button then slide the welcome screen to the left
[16:57] <popey> k
[16:57] <popey> heh, woke mine too soon, no welcome screen, power tap just went back to terminal
[16:57] <popey> (which still works
[16:57] <popey> )
[17:00] <davmor2> popey: if you have the same issue I have no idea what to file against I'm assuming it is unity not knowing that the app is open or something in qt/powerd or something
[17:01] <davmor2> popey: I'm trying the same test on a few apps now
[17:01] <davmor2> popey: the other thing is it might be the keyboard
[17:06] <Hashcode> rsalveti: Are there plans to support MTP in UbuntuTouch? (If I'm missing it in the current build-- don't hate me :P)
[17:06] <davmor2> popey: Ha same thing on the browser with the keyboard up,  Open browser, pull up the url bar, click in it, let it sleep, wake with the power button and slide
[17:06] <ogra_> Hashcode, there is some proof of concept code for an mtp server ... not sure what the final plan is though
[17:07] <davmor2> popey: looks like it is the keyboard that is locking up the app, I'll try the browser again without the keyboard being up
[17:07] <Hashcode> ogra_ there's such a limited amount of code available for mtp server portion. :/  thanks for the info?  Is that up on launchpad anywhere?
[17:07] <ogra_> tvoss|dinner, ^^^
[17:10] <davmor2> ogra_: the keyboard on touch is mallit have I spelt that right?
[17:10] <nik90> dpm: ping
[17:10] <ogra_> davmor2, close ... drop one l and add one i
[17:10] <davmor2> ogra_: thanks
[17:10] <popey> imalit ☻
[17:10] <ogra_> :P
[17:10] <popey> davmor2: you using todays image?
[17:11] <davmor2> popey: no that is apples implementation
[17:11] <davmor2> popey: I upgraded this morning so I guess that would be yesterday image
[17:11] <dpm> hey nik90
[17:11] <davmor2> popey: 20130707
[17:12] <nik90> dpm: Can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1198669 and advice on what can be done to fix it.
[17:12] <Hashcode> ogra_ any unofficial guides out there yet on how to do the Saucy boot changes?  wiki page not updated yet :/
[17:12] <nik90> dpm: popey suggested to replace the text with an image which is fine with me. But I still like to know how to solve such similar situations in the future.
[17:14] <popey> davmor2: ok, i dont get the problem on the image I have on mine which is 20130707
[17:15] <davmor2> popey: right so might be specific to the galaxy nexus then I'll try on my n7 and see if that is the same
[17:17] <dpm> nik90, replied, thanks for the heads up
[17:18] <ogra_> Hashcode, to roll flipped images you mean ?
[17:18] <Hashcode> yeah
[17:19] <nik90> dpm: np. Will email the mailing list since I think this is something any core apps can face in the future.
[17:19] <Hashcode> ogra_ new saucy images need those changes no?
[17:19] <ogra_> Hashcode, grab https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/armhf/ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd and unpack it ... there is an initrd buried in it ... you want to add that to the boot.img
[17:20] <Hashcode> AH
[17:20] <Hashcode> k
[17:20] <ogra_> also make sure that your device specific zip ships  the original android ramdisk inside /system/boot
[17:20] <dpm> thanks nik90!
[17:21] <ogra_> and replace the boot.img in your device specific zip with the one you updated with the initrd from the package
[17:21] <ogra_> then make sure to install the device specific zip first so that the non device specific one can pull the ramdisk from /system/boot
[17:21] <ogra_> that should be abll
[17:21] <ogra_> *all
[17:21] <Hashcode> I like it.
[17:22] <Hashcode> ogra_ thank you :)
[17:22] <mhr3> rsalveti, is there any way to make pin locked sim work?
[17:22] <ogra_> we do a scan for the partition names during boot ... not all of them are in the list yet i guess (thatr will need feedback from porters)
[17:22] <Hashcode> Oh
[17:23] <Hashcode> where do you scan for the names?
[17:23] <Hashcode> /proc/partitions?
[17:23] <Hashcode> or /dev/block/platform**/by-name?
[17:23] <mhr3> rsalveti, tried to do it via the ofono dbus interface, but it seemed like it's not even implemented
[17:23] <ogra_> so if something is wrong with booting after you made these changes, it is most likely related to a partition name the scripts dont know yet
[17:23] <ogra_> we need the "by-name" list
[17:23] <Hashcode> IS there a variable to set it by platform?
[17:23] <Hashcode> IE: qcom has a different path than oamp
[17:23] <Hashcode> omap
[17:24] <ogra_> nope, currently it is a list we ship in the initrd
[17:24] <ogra_> no, it hasnt under ubuntus udev ;)
[17:24] <ogra_> in ubuntu it is always /dev/disk/by-name
[17:24] <Hashcode> oh very nice
[17:24] <Hashcode> :)
[17:24] <ogra_> but the names vary
[17:24] <Hashcode> But isn't that kernel specific?
[17:24] <ogra_> and i douobt we cover all yet
[17:25] <ogra_> no, udev creates the /dev/disk dir based on udev rules
[17:25] <Hashcode> ah
[17:25] <Hashcode> that's really quite nice
[17:25] <ogra_> yup :)
[17:25] <nik90> mhall119: ping
[17:25] <Hashcode> I don't think I have any oddly named partitions
[17:26] <ogra_> partlist="userdata UDA DATAFS"
[17:26] <ogra_> thats the essential bit for booting
[17:26] <rsalveti> mhr3: we're about to merge the pinlock support for ofono
[17:26] <ogra_> if your data partition has a similar name all should be fine
[17:27] <rsalveti> mhr3: hopefully it should be available in tomorrow's image
[17:27] <Hashcode> ogra_ yeah we're good
[17:27] <ogra_> great
[17:27] <ogra_> so just shuffling the initrds around shoould get you going then
[17:28] <mhr3> rsalveti, yey, so finally my sim will work :) cool
[17:28] <ogra_> and indeed you need to use the flipped userspace zip :)
[17:28] <rsalveti> mhr3: in case you want to keep track of the mr: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-extras/ofono-sim-pin-support/+merge/172204
[17:31] <nik90> dpm: Fixed the translation issue you brought in a new MP https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-duplicate-translation-strings/+merge/173555
[17:34] <mhall119> nik90: pong
[17:36] <nik90> mhall119: can you check if https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/replace-clock-hand-animation/+merge/173341 fixes the second hand lag problems you mentioned in the meeting?
[17:37] <cking> where should I file power issue bugs for apps like the clock app?
[17:37] <nik90> mhall119: popey already confirmed that it seemed to have fixed it. Just making it sure if you and James hunt the original reporter a bug report concerning a similar issue.
[17:37] <mhall119> nik90: yes, it's in big red bold letters in my Thunderbird inbox, just waiting for me to have a chance to load the code onto my N7
[17:37] <nik90> mhall119: how did you get it in your thunderbird?
[17:37] <mhall119> nik90: your MP email, I highlighted it so I'd remember to try it
[17:37]  * nik90 wonders if he sent an email while sleepwalking
[17:38] <nik90> mhall119: ah :-)
[17:38] <mhall119> Launchpad sent it
[17:38] <mhall119> one of the hundred or so MP emails I get on a daily basis
[17:38] <dpm> nik90, reviewed, thanks!
[17:39] <nik90> dpm: you think that UTC can be translated?
[17:39] <mhall119> that's my NSA anti-snooping protection, if they ever went through my emails they'd give up after all the bug, MP and mailing list emails and never see any of the incriminating stuff :)
[17:39] <nik90> dpm: It is any temporary location until we get the gps location officially from the phone
[17:39] <nik90> mhall119: hehe :)
[17:39] <nik90> mhall119: so you pretty much get all the MP, bug reports of all the core apps?
[17:39] <nik90> mhall119: that must be a huge list of mail every day
[17:39] <mhall119> nik90: yeah, and a bunch of other LP project I havne't turned off emails from
[17:40] <dpm> nik90, I could imagine some languages might want to translate it, and it wouldn't hurt. You might also want to set your time zone to UTC manually
[17:40] <mhall119> nik90: it is :)
[17:40] <mhall119> lots of them get filtered away into folders that I mostly ignore though
[17:40] <mhall119> but all the core apps emails still come to my inbox
[17:40] <nik90> dpm: okay. I will revert that then
[17:40] <dpm> cking, you can file it on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+filebug and add a bug task for whichever part of the platform related to power it affects
[17:40] <mhall119> so that I see lovely little gems like your second hand animation fix
[17:41] <cking> dpm, ack
[17:41] <nik90> mhall119: :-)
[17:42] <nik90> dpm: done
[17:44] <dpm> nik90, and approved ;)
[17:47] <nik90> dpm: thnx
[17:48] <nik90> cking: ping
[17:49] <Hashcode> ogra_ I also have some ext3 fs devices where there is no by-name dir?  Will it still add mmcblk1p## to the list to where I can hard reference it in the "touch" script? like partlist="mmcblk1p23 userdata UDA DATAFS"
[17:49] <Hashcode> it == udev
[17:50] <cking> nik90, pong
[17:50] <nik90> cking: what do you mean by context switches/second?
[17:50] <nik90> in your bug report?
[17:50] <cking> nik90, run vmstat 1
[17:51] <nik90> done
[17:51] <cking> you will see it shows the context switch rate - that is, process <-->process switching
[17:52] <nik90> ah ok. I have no idea why the clock app switches that many times, but I will try to find someone with experience in this field to take a look at the code.
[17:52] <nik90> cking: Although for the clock app, we havent really started any performance optimisation at all.
[17:52] <cking> nik90, I can see that :-)
[17:53] <nik90> :-)
[17:53] <cking> nik90, it's pointless me trying to save 0.1mA on idle if we have apps that drain the battery by context switching like a headless chicken running back and forth
[17:54] <nik90> cking: nice visual description :D
[17:55] <cking> i fear that it may be impossible to optimise away the context switches if the glossy animation is the number #1 priority
[17:58] <ogra_> Hashcode, this is only about userdata (and later about system) .... as long as these are named properly all is fine
[17:58] <Hashcode> ogra_ there's no by-name dir on my older ext3 devices
[17:59] <ogra_> then they dont have partition names
[17:59] <Hashcode> yeah there's a patch in the init binary which creates dev/block/* symlinks based on cmdline params
[17:59] <Hashcode> but no true "names"
[18:01] <ogra_> well, file a bug against the initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch package, it should support override vars
[18:01] <Hashcode> I can probably do something in the kernel as well w/o the need for init patch
[18:01] <Hashcode> If I'm providing cmdline params
[18:02] <ogra_> thats what i mean ... systempart= datapart= .... the touch script should support that ...
[18:02] <ogra_> file a bug and assign me, i'll take care
[18:02] <Hashcode> ah
[18:02] <Hashcode> will do
[18:03] <ogra_> as a quik hack you should b able to just modify the script
[18:04] <Hashcode> Yeah I'm looking at it
[18:04] <Hashcode> er.. hm, doesn't seem like I can file bugs against initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
[18:05] <Hashcode> er.. I can file a bug against the .22 version
[18:13] <Hashcode> ogra_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/+bug/1199084 can't seem to find you as assignee tho.
[18:14] <ogra_> thx !
[18:14] <Hashcode> :)
[18:14] <Hashcode> No no.. thank you!
[18:23] <timppa> hi! Has anyone exprienced 100% cpu usage on rild?
[18:24] <timppa> I made a bug report to lauchpad regarding this; https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1197656
[18:24] <timppa> Yes, I still have the same problem
[18:24] <timppa> just flashed 20130708
[18:31] <awe_> rsalveti, is there a bug open for the Wi-Fi indicator reading "Empty!" after trying to connect to an AP?
[18:31] <rsalveti> awe_: bug 1195787
[18:31] <awe_> thanks!
[18:42] <rsalveti> awe_: this is the one I said in the call that was a side effect of a change in glib
[18:42] <rsalveti> so we might need to change/fix nm
[18:43] <awe_> what was the change in glib?
[18:44] <rsalveti> awe_: https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=31fde567a95ff8f50b6b0e75d4010da9b73514ed
[18:44] <awe_> k
[18:44] <rsalveti> which is kind of an improving/fix
[18:44] <rsalveti> *improvement
[19:01] <vik> did some one install ubunto on LG p925?
[19:03] <awe_> rsalveti, you might want to add a comment to the bug, according to comment #1, it's a problem in the indicator itself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1191822/comments/1
[19:05] <rsalveti> awe_: nick just updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1195787
[19:05] <rsalveti> and marked it as a dup
[19:05] <rsalveti> *just*, 5 hours ago :-)
[19:08] <awe_> rsalveti, ack
[19:08] <rsalveti> he's trying to merge indicators-client in unity8: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/indicators-client/+merge/172582
[19:08] <rsalveti> huge mr
[19:08] <rsalveti> but I'm yet completely sure that this will indeed fix the problem
[19:09] <rsalveti> as it was crashing hard inside nm's code
[19:09] <rsalveti> but I'm not that familiar with the code base
[19:11] <Curious_> Hi
[19:12] <Curious_> quick question: is there a possibility to make Ubuntu T works on Hisens Sero 7 pro the Walmart version of Nexux
[19:21] <rsalveti> awe_: so it seems this will actually replace the indicator as well
[19:22] <rsalveti> Saviq: do you know if https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/indicators-client/+merge/172582 will indeed replace our previous indicators?
[19:23] <rsalveti> wondering about the logic to handle the network-manager related code
[19:47] <mhall119> rsalveti: sergiusens: do either of you have time to review another core app for inclusion in the device images?
[19:47] <mhall119> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/touch-preview-images/add-sudokutouch-app/+merge/173578
[19:48] <sergiusens> mhall119: you would need to do it against https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy but I would actually want to do it as a click package
[19:49] <mhall119> are click packages supported yet?
[19:49] <sergiusens> mhall119: soon will, if it's urgent, add it in an MR
[19:49] <mhall119> sergiusens: I'm just targetting this for the developer preview device images, not the default install of Ubuntu
[19:50] <sergiusens> mhall119: well this is where we have out install now that we flipped
[19:50] <mhall119> oh, ok, didn't realize it had changed
[19:50] <sergiusens> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy/view/head:/touch
[19:54] <Saviq> rsalveti, it will replace indicators-client and all the indicator-plugin-*, yes
[19:55] <mhall119> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch-add-sudokutouchgame/+merge/173583
[19:55] <rsalveti> I can take care of that
[19:56] <rsalveti> Saviq: awesome
[19:56] <sergiusens> rsalveti: of the sudoku update?
[19:56] <rsalveti> yup, needs merge and meta-package upload
[19:57] <Saviq> rsalveti, it's basically lp:indicators-client greatly simplified and brought under the right roof
[19:57] <rsalveti> Saviq: great, looking forward to get that merged :-)
[19:57] <Saviq> rsalveti, we'll later split out the QML plugin into unity-indicators or something
[19:57] <Saviq> rsalveti, and move under Unity APIs team jurisdiction
[19:57] <rsalveti> got it
[20:00] <balloons> anyone from calendar or rss reader around?
[20:10] <mhall119> balloons: carla sella is rocking the autopilot testing of Calendar
[20:11] <balloons> mhall119, I'm trying to get her work merged :-)
[20:13] <user82> ubuntu font on android is pretty cool
[20:18] <Gimlouuu> Hello !
[20:24] <mhall119> kenvandine: when will we get other online accounts support in ubuntu-system-settings?
[20:25] <kenvandine> like which ones?
[20:25] <kenvandine> i think google should work
[20:25] <mhall119> google specifically
[20:25] <kenvandine> we just don't have anything on the device that uses it
[20:25] <mhall119> it's not an option when adding an account
[20:25] <kenvandine> install the plugin :)
[20:25] <kenvandine> account-plugin-google
[20:25] <mhall119> which plugin?
[20:25] <kenvandine> nothing depends on it, so not in the image
[20:26] <kenvandine> no apps that need it yet
[20:27] <kenvandine> flickr, instagram, foursquare and linkedin should work as well
[20:27]  * mhall119 installs them all :)
[20:27] <kenvandine> :)
[20:27] <kenvandine> let me know if any of them blow up :)
[20:30] <mhall119> kenvandine: seems to have installed a lot of dependencies
[20:31] <mhall119> google works
[20:33] <mhall119> lots appear to do nothing though
[20:33] <mhall119> identi.ca just sits their
[20:34] <mhall119> so does LinkedIn
[20:34] <popey> identica should be burned in a fire
[20:34] <popey> oh, did I say that aloud? oops
[20:34] <mhall119> also there's something call "My Space", which I'm pretty sure isn't a real thing
[20:34] <popey> I mean, identi.ca is deprecated, no longer taking signups
[20:34] <popey> being migrated to pump.io
[20:38] <asac> cyphermox: tedg: do you know why the network/wifi indicator thing on the phone often displays no networks (while sometimes it does)? do we use iwlist scan directly rather than querying nm there?
[20:38] <cyphermox> asac: apparently it's a glib bug
[20:39] <cyphermox> asac: if no-one beats me to it I'll dig more into it later
[20:39]  * cyphermox almost done fixing autoactivation of 3g
[20:39] <asac> cyphermox: yeah. auto switching back and force would be amazing :)
[20:39] <asac> cyphermox: but we query the list from NM, right?
[20:39] <cyphermox> yeah
[20:39] <cyphermox> that glib thing breaks NM to some degree
[20:40] <asac> cyphermox: do you know how i can see whether i am currently on GPRS or 3G or HDSDPA? is that logged somewhere?
[20:40] <cyphermox> asac: ofono knows
[20:40] <cyphermox> I'm not exactly sure how to ask it to tell you though, hold on
[20:41] <asac> oh nice ... seems that at lesat wifi signal strength is somewhat reflected in the indicator now
[20:41] <mhall119> flickr works, except yahoo's signin is a pain in the rear
[20:42] <cyphermox> asac: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.NetworkRegistration.GetProperties
[20:42] <cyphermox> asac: I think this will need to be hooked up to the indicator directly rather than going through NM
[20:42] <asac> hmm
[20:43] <asac> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "org.ofono.NetworkRegistration" doesn't exist
[20:43] <asac> guess thats because i am on wifi
[20:43] <asac> nevermind
[20:43] <asac> i have moved my sim elswhere :)
[20:43] <asac> hehe
[20:43] <asac> thanks
[20:43] <asac> cyphermox: the list of visible wifi networks you mean (hooked up directly)?
[20:43] <cyphermox> err, what?
[20:44] <asac> nevermind
[20:44] <asac> think you talked about 3g network type
[20:44] <cyphermox> yes
[20:44] <asac> right
[20:45] <cyphermox> right, that's also how nm-applet works -- poll ModemManager directly for the signal and registration sate
[20:45] <cyphermox> so the indicator should do the same
[20:49] <asac> bfiller: do you have a yahoo account?
[20:49] <asac> browser seems to not work for mail.yahoo.com at all... wonder if thats caused by our user-agent string
[20:49] <bfiller> asac: it could be, I don't have one
[20:50] <asac> bfiller: is there an easy way i can change it? is it somewhere in text format on my disk?
[20:50] <bfiller> asac: yes, one sec
[20:50] <asac> bfiller: awesome... also if you have other options that we had tried to put there, those would be nice
[20:50] <asac> e.g. whats the firefox one etc.
[20:51] <asac> if not i can google :)
[20:51] <bfiller> asac: there is a bug tracking that with lots of the options, let me find
[20:54] <bfiller> asac: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Browser/UbuntuWebView.qml is where user-agent string defined
[20:54] <bfiller> asac: here is the related bug with other ua strings to try: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1179596
[20:55] <asac> bfiller: nice. phablestic. thanks
[20:55] <bfiller> asac: I know for sure the current usera agent string causes twitter to not work right so probably same issue with yahoo mail
[20:56] <cyphermox> rsalveti: around? I'd upload a new NM.
[20:57] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yup
[20:57] <cyphermox> or sergiusens: ^
[20:57] <cyphermox> ok
[20:57] <asac> bfiller: yay ... it works
[20:57] <asac> just use firefox on android
[20:57] <rsalveti> cyphermox: what did you change there?
[20:57] <cyphermox> watch the Attached property on the ConnectionManager
[20:57] <asac> wow
[20:57] <bfiller> asac: nice, can you add that to the bug report please
[20:57] <rsalveti> cyphermox: awesome, will try that out with my mako
[20:57] <rsalveti> see if that fixes the bug I had
[20:58] <cyphermox> rsalveti: so at first the device won't connect, but it will automatically try again after five minutes
[20:58] <cyphermox> it's not perfect yet, but it will help a lot
[20:58] <rsalveti> right
[20:58] <rsalveti> will wait for it to show in launchpad
[20:58] <cyphermox> I'm still thinking about whether it would make sense to hook that up to the Enabled property for NM's modems, but it seems at least a little wrong
[20:59] <asac> wow... yahoo mail is very snappy
[20:59] <asac> compared to gmail
[20:59] <asac> (on galaxy nexus)
[20:59] <cyphermox> rsalveti: for now, what will happen is at boot, if you don't have enough signal and stuff, and you don't have Attached = true, it will warn and not try to bring up the connection
[20:59] <rsalveti> right
[21:00] <rsalveti> but how would you hook that up with the enabled property?
[21:00] <cyphermox> rsalveti: then the autoconnect will trigger every five minutes until you are actually Attached and able to connect
[21:00] <asac> bfiller: any idea how i can make a launcher icon for that?
[21:00] <bfiller> asac: those are hardcoded in the shell code
[21:00] <rsalveti> cyphermox: why don't you just watch for the property changes?
[21:00] <cyphermox> rsalveti: well, I already watch other properties to tell the modem is available or not, like Powered and Online
[21:00] <cyphermox> rsalveti: that's what happens
[21:01] <rsalveti> right, but I mean, for Attached specifically
[21:01] <cyphermox> the 5 minutes delay is auto-activation done for every device
[21:01] <cyphermox> I do
[21:01] <asac> bfiller: wow. hardcoded in qml or even hard-compiled? :)
[21:01] <rsalveti> right, awesome
[21:01] <cyphermox> you can check the diff later :)
[21:01] <bfiller> asac: dpkg -L unity8 - it's in one of the qml files
[21:01] <rsalveti> yeah, still waiting for lp to get the new release
[21:01] <bfiller> asac: will be dynamic obviously but not there yet
[21:02] <bfiller> asac: you could make a desktop file in /usr/share/applications so it will show up as an app in the lens. Look at gmail one for example
[21:02] <asac> bfiller: kk... o you know about timeline for .desktop files?
[21:02] <zzarr> hello! I'm trying to build Ubuntu Touch for my Motorola Droid 4, but there's a script missing... under "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting" "Retrieving the proprietary blobs from Android" it says "$ cd device/[manufacturer]/[codename]" and "$ ./extract-files.sh" but there is no "extract-files" in devices/motorola/maserati
[21:03] <bfiller> asac: don't know timeframe for launcher favs, Saviq would know that
[21:03] <Saviq> asac, bfiller, launcher (and as part of it launcher pinning) is being worked on currently
[21:03] <asac> bfiller: oh yeah... now if the app search lens would work again :) ...
[21:04] <asac> let me see. yesterday image it was broken... maybe its fixed today
[21:04] <asac> nope... whenever i hit a key in the search field it disappears :)
[21:04] <asac> Saviq: known?
[21:05] <asac> 1. go to apps desktop, 2. hit search, 3. hit key on keyboard -> disappears
[21:05] <Saviq> asac, yes, keyboard does not report its size to the shell
[21:05] <asac> the keyboard shows up
[21:05] <Saviq> asac, although I'm not sure we managed to report this problem properly
[21:05] <asac> its just that when i push a button the search field AND the keyboard disappear
[21:05] <asac> Saviq: ok ... which project to file it against?
[21:05] <Saviq> asac, touch images
[21:05] <asac> Saviq: but thats unity shell, no?
[21:06] <Saviq> asac, no, it's a failure of the OSK
[21:06] <asac> k
[21:06] <asac> rsalveti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+filebug ... can you change that :)
[21:06] <bfiller> asac: that's nasty, and new I think
[21:06] <asac>  s/-preview//
[21:06] <asac> rsalveti: thats in /topic
[21:06] <Saviq> rsalveti, did you manage to file the OSK bug that was introduced recently? that it doesn't report its dimensions to the shell?
[21:07] <asac> bfiller: did we land a new OSK?
[21:07] <bfiller> asac: yes recently
[21:07] <rsalveti> asac: I'm not sure we want to rename the project at this moment, we're trying to move the bug tasks to ubuntu packages instead
[21:07] <bfiller> asac: rebased on latest upstream
[21:07] <asac> rsalveti: right
[21:07] <asac> bfiller: whtas the upstream project for osk?
[21:08] <asac> so i can file there
[21:08] <asac> or waiut ... let me see if i can find :)
[21:08] <rsalveti> Saviq: hm, not sure if I was tracking that issue, but I didn't open any bug for that specifically
[21:08] <bfiller> asac: just file in touch-preview-image for now
[21:08] <rsalveti> Saviq: is that with the new maliit?
[21:08] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, I think we failed tracking that
[21:08] <Saviq> rsalveti, yes, although it "bundled" with the shell CPU we focused on
[21:08] <Saviq> rsalveti, and so it was forgot, probably
[21:09] <rsalveti> right
[21:11] <asac> Saviq: bfiller: bug 1199150
[21:11] <zzarr> I have a "lapdock" will I be able to run a ubuntu desktop on it when I have my phone docked?
[21:11] <asac> tagged as dogfood
[21:11] <asac> i guess this is at least important :)
[21:12] <bfiller> asac: thanks, tmoenicke will fix it tomorrow
[21:12] <asac> Saviq: so maybe its fixed now, or maybe it was just off ... but on the image from sun or sat night... i somehow managed to get shell in a state that the apps etc. scrolled off the screen (only in one direction)
[21:12] <asac> didnt see it on todays imgae still
[21:13] <asac> Saviq: not sure if you know that (or undersatnd what iam trying to say) ... if it comes back i probably will try to make a video
[21:13] <Saviq> asac, yeah, not sure what you mean :)
[21:14] <asac> :)
[21:14] <asac> Saviq: well, i currently can scroll up and down on app/video etc. screens
[21:15] <asac> the experience was so that it didnt matter which direction i panned... the stuff just scrolled up... and finally nothing was visible anymore :)
[21:15] <asac> anyway... if it comes back i will video it
[21:15] <asac> which reminds me... if we could have "record a video" feature on top of "screenshot" it would be amazing :)
[21:16] <Saviq> asac, you saw how long a screenshot takes? imagine that 15 fps ;)
[21:16] <Saviq> asac, should be easier with Mir, though
[21:16] <asac> i guess we could run the screencap in a quick loop or something and make an gif :)
[21:16] <asac> hmm. guess
[21:16] <asac> we have hardware video encode
[21:17] <asac> with that we could probably nicely stream stuff out
[21:17] <asac> without writing to sd :)
[21:17] <asac> j.k.
[21:53] <tassadar_> ogra_: does Ubuntu touch use system partition?
[21:56] <tassadar_> hmm
[22:04] <asac> slangasek: do you know if i can get dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_MULTIARCH
[22:04] <asac> from the system without dpkg-dev installed?
[22:12] <ajalkane> /quit
[22:18] <RobbyF> well i'm pretty tempted to switch over to ubuntu touch for daily driver
[22:19] <RobbyF> any feedback? I need sms,calls, 3g data, browser, multiple email accounts
[22:20] <popey> if you want it as your main phone you may want to wait till october
[22:20] <popey> right now it's under heavy development
[22:21] <RobbyF> if it's really glitchy I can revert to a bbz10
[22:23] <RobbyF> I havn't came accross any forum that supported multi roms
[22:24] <popey> It's not somethnig we test
[22:24] <RobbyF> oh of course not .
[22:24] <RobbyF> with the shell being a 180flip is it the same method to change back to android?
[22:25]  * RobbyF can't find usb cable. go figure.
[22:25] <popey> the install page on the wiki details how to go back
[22:25] <popey> it's not as automated as going from android -> ubuntu, but it's do-able
[22:26] <RobbyF> I know previously it was as easy as flashing
[22:26] <RobbyF> i'll check the wiki before I start.
[22:27] <DSalgueiro> Hi everyone... i need help flashing ubuntu touch, i've a galaxy nexus, my bootloader is unlocked until i bought the phone... when i try to flash with "phablet-flash -b" command, it reboots to bootloader... but stucks here, nothing happens
[22:27] <popey> DSalgueiro: has it downloaded the necessary bits into ~/Downloads/phablet-flash ?
[22:28] <DSalgueiro> yes
[22:29] <DSalgueiro> into ~/Downloads/phablet-flash are all the files...
[22:29] <DSalgueiro> but i've tried delete all the files, download the flash files again but is the same...
[22:29] <DSalgueiro> it stucks on bootloader
[22:30] <asac> rsalveti: we dont have mir in our images yet?
[22:30] <rsalveti> asac: no, but we have an alternative image which uses mir by default
[22:30] <asac> oh cool
[22:30] <asac> rsalveti: how can i tell phablet flash to run that?
[22:30] <asac> err install that?
[22:31]  * rsalveti trying to remember the link
[22:31] <asac> rsalveti: do you know when we plan to land it?
[22:31] <DSalgueiro> in january, the first release of ubuntu touch i managed to install that
[22:31] <DSalgueiro> then i  revert to android, now i want to try it again, but i can't do it :(
[22:31] <rsalveti> asac: ricmm_ is coordinating that, but we need to land some changes in platform-api/shell/apparmor/user upstart before we're ready for the switch
[22:31] <rsalveti> asac: which iirc we expect to land this week
[22:31] <Oranger> mhall119: Hey :) Who can edit this page ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding
[22:32] <iBelieve> balloons, ping
[22:32] <asac> rsalveti: ic
[22:32] <rsalveti> asac: at the moment we cannot launch apps with the mir image
[22:32] <balloons> iBelieve, pong
[22:32] <asac> rsalveti: who needs that :)
[22:32] <asac> :)
[22:33] <asac> kk
[22:33] <asac> thomi: if i do apt-cache search autopilot
[22:33] <iBelieve> balloons, I have a couple of questions about what some of the autopilot tests for file manager are supposed to do.
[22:33] <asac> thomi: i see a bunch of packages ... i assume those are good candidates for running?
[22:33] <balloons> iBelieve,kk
[22:33]  * asac looks at unity8-autopilot
[22:34]  * asac installs that ;)
[22:34] <thomi> asac: autopilot-touch is the autopilot app for the touch devices
[22:34] <iBelieve> balloons, for the tests related to the file action dialog, how am I supposed to test opening a file?
[22:34] <thomi> asac: unity8-autopilot is the autopilot tests for the unity8 shell
[22:35] <balloons> iBelieve, good question. you can add files to the repository to open
[22:35] <asac> thomi: not sure what that means... i installed autopilot-touch as i felt that was a prereq. to run anything autopilot on touch... is that correct?
[22:36] <asac> but it doesnt have tests, correct?
[22:36] <balloons> so any sample data you might need that's a good way to do it. As far as asserting the file opened or not, well, let's think. what happens in the UI?
[22:36] <thomi> asac: that is correct
[22:36] <iBelieve> balloons, I was just going to have the test generate a file to open, but how would I verify that it opened? Since opening it would open the file in some external application
[22:36] <thomi> asac: the core phone apps also package their tests, that's what the unity8-autopilot package is
[22:36] <balloons> iBelieve, OHH.. lol, I was thinking doc viewer for some reason
[22:36] <asac> thomi: so you say unity8-autopilot won't work on phone?
[22:37] <thomi> asac: yes it will work fine
[22:37] <balloons> iBelieve, so yea not alot you can or should do as far as opening a file.. file manager won't display it
[22:38] <asac> thomi: almost :) ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5856798/
[22:38] <thomi> asac: what does 'autopilot --version' give you?
[22:39] <iBelieve> balloons, should I just combine the three file action dialog tests (lp 1188742, lp, 1188740, and LP 1188741) and just test to see that the dialog pops up and then goes away?
[22:39] <iBelieve> balloons, lp 1188740
[22:39] <asac> thomi: autopilot --version
[22:39] <asac> Autopilot Source Version: 1.3 Autopilot Package Version:
[22:39] <asac> 1.3daily13.06.05-0ubuntu2
[22:40] <thomi> asac: ok, can you try installing the 'python-upa' package please?
[22:41] <balloons> iBelieve, hmm yes I would say so. Test the dialog to the extent that it makes sense. obviously for open well, you can't verify the file display or open properly, but you can ensure file manager doesn't blow up by issuing the call eh?
[22:43] <iBelieve> balloons, okay, that's what I'll do. Thanks!
[22:43] <balloons> your most welcome
[22:44] <asac> thomi: not in archive either :)
[22:44] <thomi> asac: try adding the autopilot ppa - I suspect that may be the issue
[22:45] <asac> hmmm...
[22:45] <asac> thomi: thats not really good. but ok ... do you have it at hand?
[22:45] <thomi> asac: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa
[22:45] <thomi> asac: feel free to file a bug against the python-upa project in launchpad
[22:47] <asac> thomi: well i already test this stuff for you
[22:48] <greyback> racarr: I asked you before but forgot the answer: how best to be notified that a surface was destroyed?
[22:49] <greyback> racarr: oops wrong channel, meant to be in #ubuntu-mir
[22:49] <asac> thomi: who owns autopilot?
[22:50] <asac> isnt that qa?
[22:50] <thomi> asac: it's the PSQA team, I'm one of them, so is veebers, fginther, alesage, and a few others who aren't online at the moment
[22:50] <thomi> asac: we all hang out in #ubuntu-autopilot
[22:55] <asac> thomi: ok. whats the ETA to have autopilot working for phone images out of the archive?
[22:55] <RobbyF> Once completed the device should reboot into Ubuntu - whoo hoo
[22:56] <RobbyF> daily images still have fake data?
[22:56] <thomi> asac: as far as I know, it's not a scheduled work item - there are more important things to worry about right now. Adding the autopilot PPA isn't a great hardship. Having said that, if someone were to file a bug, I can follow up with the distro people and see what's needed
[22:58] <DSalgueiro> just flashed, after flash phone goes to recovery mode, with ubuntu logo background, i've done "reboot system now" and it stucks on google logo! why? :(
[23:00] <slangasek> asac: you can't, no :/
[23:00] <slangasek> asac: (dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_MULTIARCH)
[23:01] <asac> slangasek: so the test i have been looking at was using that to figure the right path to find the /usr/lib/.../mir/examples/mir_demo_server location
[23:02] <asac> is there a better place to put that? or a better way to find it?
[23:02] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5856863/
[23:06] <slangasek> let's see
[23:07] <slangasek> asac: the conventional solution to this problem is to hardcode the path where needed, and ship that information in the Arch: any binary package instead of trying to have an Arch: all package discover the paths
[23:07] <slangasek> asac: is this for a test in the QA lab?
[23:08] <asac> slangasek: its in an autopilot test
[23:08] <asac> slangasek: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~thomir/+junk/runbench/
[23:08] <asac> i personally would prefer if we just could bzr branch those and run instead of having to install a package :)
[23:09] <slangasek> asac: ok.  For autopilot, a dpkg-dev dependency seems reasonable IMHO - it's not ideal, but probably not worth the effort of fixing properly at the moment?
[23:09] <asac> yeah. probably
[23:09] <slangasek> ah, you mean you want it self-contained without having to install *any* packages... in that case, I'd say "meh, hard-code a mapping from the output of dpkg --print-architecture"
[23:10] <slangasek> (or from the architecture of the mir package that's installed)
[23:10] <thomi> uhhh
[23:10] <thomi> so I think the mir-demos package has changed (again), and the demos are no longer shipped in /usr/lib/...
[23:11] <RAOF> thomi: correct!
[23:11] <thomi> if that's still the case, I should probably update runbench. TBH, I didn't intend anyone else to use that :-/
[23:11] <RAOF> thomi: They're now back in /usr/bin
[23:11] <thomi> RAOF: well that's nice, I suppose :)
[23:32] <Hashcode> Is the ubuntu CWM recovery needed for the first install?
[23:32] <Hashcode> Or only for auto-updates?
[23:47] <RobbyF> whats with nano/pico not being able to work as text editor for root/write permissions