[04:46] hi [04:52] alanbell nigger [06:49] o.O [06:56] hello all [06:56] hey MooDoo [06:57] I was hoping to test this, but my FTTC connection at home is down :'( https://github.com/zpeters/speedtest #FirstWorldOfficeProblems [07:43] Beer fans, I present to you: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/ [07:43] (well, my brothers present to you) [07:51] i was gearing up to say "it's a lager, gasp, etc!", but an actual stout! [07:52] directhex: yes, the Dark Roast is :) [07:53] MartijnVdS: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/our-beer/ click "visit the shop" [07:53] yet if you add to cart, you can go to the checkout, but you can't go to the "shop" [07:53] popey: the shop only works on the Dutch part of the site atm [07:53] ah [07:54] they're working on it [07:55] Morning all === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:40] Oyez! Oyez! Good morning all and happy Town Crier Day! :-D [08:40] haha! There's a bit of irony in that day not being a well-known one [08:41] Heheh. :) [08:42] anyone know if/where there is a linux outlaws channel? [08:44] #sixgun JohnRobert [08:44] thanks! [08:44] they're on a break at the moment [08:45] really, how come? [08:45] personal stuff [08:45] fair enough [08:45] its on their blog [08:45] I just started listening again [08:45] sixgun.org iirc [08:46] ta === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:19] good morning everyone, [09:20] morning [09:21] morning SuperMatt [09:21] hullo [09:22] y'all watch the tennis? [09:22] no. bores me to death, football bores me to death aswell. [09:23] SuperMatt: Yep, I enjoyed watching it [09:24] brobostigon: +1 to the football though [09:24] me too [09:25] football is the most boring sport, I cannot comprehend it [09:25] SNOOZEBALL! RIGHT!? [09:25] I think it's because not a lot happens and the fans annoy me [09:25] etc [09:25] right [09:25] Morning btw [09:25] but tennis is exciting [09:25] yo [09:25] Yeah, found myself shouting YES! at the telly a bit much yesterday [09:25] might be due to the amount of crabbies I'd imbibed tho [09:26] Was that 'YES' in Scottish accent? [09:26] :) [09:26] Oh dear, 1 to many yesterday popey ? [09:26] :P [09:26] nah [09:26] just the right amount [09:26] heh, I had 1, drove the boys to the beach yesterday.. was exhausted when we got back [09:27] I a chuckle at Alex Salmond on the radio this morning, pretty much everybody commenting on Murray being the first Brit in 77 years to win the mens title, Salmond was more interested in it being the first Scot since 1896 [09:30] did you see the nyt article? [09:30] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/sports/tennis/after-77-years-murray-and-england-rule.html? [09:31] they modified the title in the article and have eventually set a redirect from http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/sports/tennis/after-77-years-murray-and-england-rule.html? to http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/sports/tennis/after-77-years-murray-and-britain-rule.html? [09:31] silly rabbits [09:39] https://www.google.com/ today has a game about the Roswell incident, which was 66 years ago today [09:40] dwatkins: who cares about that, andy murray won ;) lol [09:40] MooDoo: hehe, good point [09:42] ;) [09:44] Today I am being rescued from my humming neighbor by Pomplamoose. [09:44] I hope there's going to be a Soundcloud app for the Ubuntuphone. [10:01] Morning all [10:02] davmor2, o/ [10:03] JamesTait: You're only happy to see me cause it means it's time for elevensise ;) [10:03] davmor2, hey, good idea! [10:03] See :) [10:04] davmor2, you know I love you. ;) [10:05] haha, y u not say that when I break your hard work? [10:16] morning favm [10:16] morning davmor2 [10:17] MooDoo: me owld mucka you sound happy to be somewhere with aircon I don't know why :) [10:17] * popey tickles davmor2 [10:18] popey: blown raspberries makes me happier, I'm not ticklish :D [10:18] popey: how's things down soufff [10:18] warm [10:19] davmor2: https://twitter.com/popey/status/354160914473291776 [10:22] I'd love to be doing that popey [10:23] * xnox will pop out to outdoor swimming pool @ lunch time =) [10:23] For swimming? ㋛ [10:23] popey: yeap. [10:23] I should get the paddling pool out again [10:23] what are people's thoughts on mint? [10:23] When I got back to my place last night at about 1AM my bedroom was ~30 degrees. It's a bit too warm. [10:23] as in the linux distro [10:24] I still can't believe I survived the night with my window open... in Edinburgh! ;) [10:24] JohnRobert: Insecure by design. [10:24] interesting [10:24] I'm looking for something like ubuntu just without the wackiness [10:25] eg strange gnome.. I don't want that, I want old style gnome [10:25] basically I want debian with the hardware support [10:25] I started looking in to Debian and Crunchbang, but you can just switch window managers in Ubuntu. [10:25] perhaps xubuntu is the best way forward [10:25] debian works ok on my thinkpad t420s [10:25] still doesn't work properly >:/ [10:26] ubuntu + apt-get install gnome-session-fallback [10:26] job done [10:26] for example, closing the lid doesn't suspend and I can't see an easy way to make it do that [10:26] ʘ‿ಠ [10:26] battery still seems to get eaten up etc..etc.. [10:26] JohnRobert: Alrighty, hang around in the past that noone's maintaining anymore. [10:26] Welcome to 2003 [10:26] heh [10:26] yeah exactly [10:27] hence ubuntu [10:27] We'll still be here ☻ [10:27] just I stopped liking the direction ubuntu was heading a few years ago [10:27] Cinnamon is strange-gnome-but-not-that-strange [10:27] popey: I'd sit out on the balcony but it's south facing meaning either my laptop would melt or I would :) [10:27] JohnRobert: And GNOME itself I suppose. [10:27] I'm sure there are extensions for strange-gnome proper [10:27] I'm stuck in an office [10:27] although it's fairly cool [10:28] davmor2: south facing here too [10:28] get an umbrella ☻ [10:28] heh strange-gnome [10:28] "Ubuntu Strange Edition" [10:28] * diplo makes! [10:29] "Ubuntu Dr. Strangelove Edition" [10:30] popey: it's a balcony the clue is in the title. It's like 4-5 feet wide and has a roof. I'll stick with my north facing off that nice and cool :) [10:34] popey: http://ubuntuone.com/1puKKnR803mFEhUZnwoOd9 top floor that is our balcony it's just wide enough for a small table and 2 chairs :) [10:35] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 === Guest45260 is now known as Gary [10:35] czajkowski: put me down you don't know where I've been [10:37] you love it davmor2 [10:37] MooDoo: not in this heat :D [10:38] * Dave2 sits in his air conditioned office. [10:38] What heat? [10:39] Bhut Jolikia chilly, that's heat [10:41] Dave2: I AM SAT IN MY NON-ACed GARDEN STARING AT KEGS OF BEER WONDERING WHY I AM WORKING AND NOT DRINKING THEM BEFORE THEY GO FUNNY :( [10:41] christel: before they or you go funny? [10:41] christel: didn't they all go at your barbie? [10:41] davmor2: they! [10:42] oh no, they should be in a nice cool cellar [10:42] MooDoo: no! apparently it was slight overkill to estimate about 30 pints per head or something [10:42] christel: PMSL lol ha ha hah a ha [10:42] I did my best yesterday [10:42] Free pint for all Ubuntu users that visit christel ;) [10:42] I don't know how much I had to drink yesterday, but I didn't actually feel particularly drunk most of the time [10:43] Dave2: njan was saying this morning how impressed he was with your ability to constantly drink without appearing drunk! [10:43] I'm not quite sure how it worked [10:44] MooDoo: yus! [10:44] I felt a bit drunk at times [10:44] haha [10:44] But not proper-drunk, just a bit tipsy [10:45] I seemed to have some issues pronouncing some words but I'm sure that was just the heat [10:45] * Dave2 nods. [10:45] i think that was because you were trying to read the norwegian medical dictionary out loud [10:45] Well, that certainly didn't help; [10:46] Good morning peeps :) [10:46] morning! [10:46] 14 minutes of morning left [10:47] I'm very sleepy -.- [10:47] * bigcalm tickles christel hello [10:47] I hope my hdd's finish syncing before bed time, I don't think I'll be able to cope with the heat of my PC being left on for one more night [10:49] hullu bigcalm :) [11:29] ooh fun, my big boss just turned up unexpected [11:29] First time I've met him in three years since joining the company [11:32] first three times I met "big boss" was in a pub [11:34] heh, seems nice enough guy. Very down to earther and a lot more organsied than my MD [11:51] Ukraine or United Kingdom? :D [11:52] OK I guess english in the channel topic points at United Kingdom :D [11:55] Ні, ми були практикуючими. [11:56] twss === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:07] no-one seems to use "GB" to refer to this part of the world. [12:08] ...much to ISO 3166's disappointment, no doubt. [12:09] It seems the Ukraine uses .ua [12:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#UA [12:11] Poor Finland is also stuck with .fi [12:18] bigcalm: yeah but finlands is useful for giants. http://giant.fi/fo/thumb/I_smell_the_blood_of_an_englishman ;) [12:18] someone has http://f.fi/ [12:18] oops, http://if.fi/ [12:21] I still want .custard [12:26] hidden custard? [12:26] or, tld [12:26] *oh [12:27] I wish I could have superma.tt, but that stuff's 'spensive [12:46] SuperMatt: popey just want re-runs of rhubarb and custard available 24/7 I'll tell you [12:48] but rhubarb and custard wasn't a tv program [12:48] it was only call roobarb [12:48] lies [12:49] (while it's true i refuse to accept it) [12:51] SuperMatt: I'm dyslexic so type it in as roo and spell check said it was wrong, damn you spell check [12:51] there was a show called Roobarb and Custard too, however I just like to point out when people are wrong [12:51] popey: still wants 24.7 re-runs of it [12:51] sure === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === cking_ is now known as cking === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [15:42] Hi, what's the best practice for getting Apache2 to run at boot time in Raring? [15:42] it should by default [15:43] Doesn't seem to be! [15:43] How did you install apache2? [15:44] sudo update-rc.d apache2 enable <- this is the command you'd use, but answer bigcalm first please [15:44] bigcalm: sudo apt-get install apache2 [15:46] it should have happened automatically [15:47] do you have S91apache2 listed in /etc/rc5.d? [15:47] and /etc/rc3.d [15:49] SuperMatt: I tried - sudo update-rc.d apache2 enable - rebooted and it still wasn't running! [15:49] chatts: do you have a different webserver running on port 80 which is clashing with apache? [15:50] your /var/log/apache2 directory will have error logs indicating why apache2 may fail to start [15:50] SuperMatt: Yes, listed in both directories. [15:50] chatts: check what popey has asked [15:53] popey: It's a bare-bones Raring Vagrant box (http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/raring/current/) so has very little on it, all I've done is install Apache2 to set-up a dev environment. [15:53] * popey pokes Daviey [15:54] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23222068 - good news everyone? [15:55] Runlevel is at 2, if that helps. [15:56] did you get that by typing runlevel in the console? [15:56] Yes. [15:57] ok, do you have S91apache2 in /etc/rc2.d? [15:58] SuperMatt: Yes I do! Makes no sense at all... [15:58] I have *no* idea [15:59] I've never used vagrant [15:59] I don't try something to do the set up for me [15:59] Ok, no worries, thanks anyway. [16:00] chatts: as popey asked, is there anything in /var/log/apache2/error.log ? [16:00] I guess it could be a bad config [16:01] chatts: does it apache work if you run: sudo service apache2 start ? [16:02] bigcalm: Nothing out of the ordinary in the error log. Yes, it works then, just doesn't seem to kick in at boot time! [16:02] curios [16:02] curious [16:03] no harm in running apt-get install --reinsall apache2, I guess [16:04] Tried a re-install and still get -> service apache2 status -> Apache2 is NOT running. [16:07] Odd thing is, if I install MySQL, that runs at boot time! [16:09] peculiar [16:09] that's not how you spell that, but I'm leaving it at that [16:09] Ha! No worries. [16:10] did you try reinstalling apache2? [16:10] No sign of MySQL in /etc/rc2.d. I did try reinstalling and it didn't make any difference. [16:10] weird [16:11] I don't know what you've done, but it might be worth while to start again :/ [16:11] Yeah… So frustrating! [16:11] chatts: Ubuntu uses upstart, the files in /etc/rc* tend to be for "show", and the real ones are in /etc/init/ [16:12] No sign of Apache2 in /etc/init/. mysql.conf is there though, which makes sense. [16:12] vagrant just seems to be a different way of doing lxc [16:13] chatts: I don't have apache2 there either, you're right [16:15] not /etc/init/ [16:15] it's /etc/init.d/ [16:15] SuperMatt: not for upstart scripts [16:15] ah, I see [16:16] SuperMatt: pretty much, it's basically a Ruby API on top of VirtualBox (or another provider). [16:16] thing is, rc.d points to the init.d script [16:16] do you have apache2 in /etc/init.d? [16:16] what does "apache2ctl configtest" say? [16:17] ah, apache2 hasn't been switched to upstart yet, that's why [16:17] SuperMatt: yes, apache2 is in /etc/init.d, but isn't a symlink. Mysql is in there as a symlink to /lib/init/upstart-job? [16:18] apache2 doesn't have an upstart job yet, that's why that is [16:18] still [16:18] bit weird why it's not wokring [16:19] chatts: what does the "apache2ctl configtest" say? [16:20] MartijnVdS: Syntax is ok, I get a warning about not being able to fully qualify the server's domain name. [16:20] just like mine [16:21] chatts: do you have another httpd installed on port 80, so apache can't bind to that port? [16:21] chatts: is there anything in /var/log/apache2/error.log? [16:21] (or another error log file, if you have them) [16:21] hehe [16:21] the exact two questions I asked ☻ [16:22] MartijnVdS: nope, nothing in the error.log. The only package I've installed is Apache, so no other servers running on that port. [16:22] KILL IT WITH FIRE [16:22] it's the only way [16:23] chatts: could you still do "netstat -lptn" and put it on pastebin? :) [16:23] (as root, or sudo netstat -lptn) [16:24] netstat out put is here - http://pastebin.com/fU8GCZtw [16:24] apache2 is running [16:25] pid = 1855, port = 80 [16:25] MartijnVdS: started by hand [16:25] yeah, I start it manually, I can do the same after a reboot if you'd like? [16:26] chatts: that should just work.. did you alter anything in the boot sequence (of apache, or of the system)? [16:27] Nope, nothing at all! My only thought is that there is something up with the Vagrant box, I got it from here - http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/raring/current/) - this morning. [16:28] could be [16:28] pre-installed images can be strange sometimes.. but shouldn't be [16:29] My thoughts too. All I've done is create a Vagrant box from that image, and installed apache2. [16:30] chatts: you're using it with virtualbox? [16:30] I might try and image from a few weeks back and see if that does the same thing. [16:31] Yes, VirtualBox. [16:31] * bigcalm wants it to be 6pm so he can play more Trials Evolution [16:32] Buying an xbox controller for use with games on Steam was a good move. And a heck of a lot cheaper than buying an Xbox [16:32] I will try another image tomorrow. Thanks for your help guys, I need to make a move now. [16:32] bigcalm: tell everyone you're on CEST [16:32] bigcalm: it's 18:32 here [16:33] MartijnVdS: nope, I'm on BST :) [16:33] Oh, I see [16:33] Heh [16:34] bigcalm: I mean, if Ireland can consider it: http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/ireland-considers-cet.html [16:35] MartijnVdS: it's discussed all of the time but never actioned. British like being different I think [16:36] bigcalm: British like having the "0" meridian and the time that belongs to it :) [16:36] bigcalm: the Netherlands is only CE(S)T because of Germany (WW2), otherwise we'd still be +19 minutes 8-) [16:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B00:20 === emmy is now known as Guest31768 === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [19:17] evenin' [19:18] \o === mungbean_ is now known as mungbean [19:18] pip pip [19:18] wow that was quick [19:18] eveybody woke up [19:18] * MartijnVdS writes a bit more on his future blog post [19:18] had an epic day off killing/evicting spiders and snails [19:19] from my shed [19:19] mungbean: so you're snail/spider hitler now? [19:19] no i sent them to a better place [19:20] the municipal compost heap [19:21] oh poo, was just about to buy these for 6 quid niw they out of stock [19:21] https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005A54XF8 [19:22] Only 4 left in stock. [19:22] oh that's another reseller [19:22] yeah, but 20£ [19:22] yeah rip off britain === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [19:22] does anyone know how to generate an NT-Password hash on the command line? [19:22] Google just tells me "How to install SAMBA" [19:22] MKNTPASSWDHASH.exe :-p [19:23] ಠ_ಠ @ diddledan [19:23] although, 8.3 would probably mean it's MKNTPASS.exe [19:23] .EXE then [19:23] :-p [19:24] we all know NT doesn't do security so you might as well plaintext it :-p [19:24] diddledan: true.. [19:25] mungbean: that listing is weird - 2 collectible from 29.50, new for 19.97, shoddy quality used 39.66 [19:26] been selling at 6 quid for couple of weeks [19:27] "Warning: Not suitable for children under 3 years. For use under adult supervision" <-- which adult in their right mind would let anyone touch their collection let alone be that a kid [19:27] went to a wedding on south coast at the weekend. no change of clothes, far from home [19:27] baby sitting on my lap, had a massive nappy explosing [19:27] eep [19:27] covered her back and everything [19:27] not nice [19:28] eww [19:28] lifted baby off to see what had happened to my suit (was wearing just a dress and nappy) [19:28] miracle of miracles , not a drop on me [19:28] .. yet [19:28] lucky get [19:28] was everywhere except the suit [19:28] got away with it [19:28] was sitting down to eat at the time [19:28] Ahh, conversations about baby poo [19:29] we vowed when we had our kids never to talk about their poo [19:29] popey: you bet! [19:29] ran out holding poo covered baby at arms length, all parents laughing [19:29] popey: not even to their boy/girlfriends, once they have them & bring them over? [19:29] lol [19:29] popey: (bonus points for embarassing pictures) [19:29] i don't know what i woul dhave done if i'd had got splurged [19:29] Acheivement unlocked: baby poo [19:30] oh dear [19:30] my leg [19:30] A perk of single life 8-) [19:30] she got me five mins ago [19:30] just realised [19:30] oh, when they're older, anything goes [19:30] i mean, now, while they're kids, talking to other parents or indeed non-parents [19:30] * popey considers going indoors now [19:31] been out here since 8am [19:31] hard at work, I see [19:31] indeed [19:31] tis nice working outside [19:32] until your battery dies and you have to rig up an extension cable [19:32] did that at 10:00 ☻ [19:32] lol [19:32] we have sockets outside though [19:32] until some piece of hardware melts? [19:32] so only needed a short cable [19:32] in the shade ☻ [19:32] popey: a true geek household.. sockets outside ;) [19:32] when i was in spain my iphone shutdown due to overheating [19:33] yeah, wish we had cat6 outside ☻ [19:33] ok, tshrt and pj's cxovered in poo. stripped off to put in the washing machine [19:33] neighbour is in his garden, [19:33] near my door [19:33] me butt naked [19:33] I think I need to put the side back on my case - it's getting loud and hot near the puter [19:33] mungbean: do you have his phone number? We could get him to move :) [19:34] MartijnVdS: or tell him to have a peek [19:34] diddledan: or that.. [19:34] depends on who calls first I guess ;) [19:34] lol [19:36] situation is now under control [19:36] so, google app engine now supports PHP [19:36] \o/ [19:36] grabbed some clean clothes from a pile [19:36] :( [19:36] diddledan: tomorrow's news: Google pwned [19:36] mungbean: I'm sure you try to keep plenty of those around [19:37] mungbean: though I'd bet not as much as you'd like [19:38] had a lovelyday off today, which makes going to work all that much more miserable tomorrow [19:38] 4 day week, no monday rush hour... [19:39] wife gaave me a free pass to do whatever i wanted, no kids duties at all [19:39] best day in return i do the same in a couple of weeks [19:45] saw another prog about hoarders., the man was wearing element 14 raspi tshirt :) [19:46] hah [19:50] long blogpost is going to be long [20:17] hrm [20:18] i wonder what the url is. ? [20:18] Anyone changed from Paris Nord to Paris Gare Lyon? I just checked my tickets for me holiday and we've only got 41 minutes between trains which the internets suggests is pretty tight ... [20:18] They were sold as one through ticket :( [20:19] taxi? [20:19] apparently takes just as long as metro if not longer [20:19] MartijnVdS: whats the url ? please. [20:19] brobostigon: it's not live yet [20:20] brobostigon: still writing :) [20:20] what will the url be? :-p [20:20] gare de lyon has the train bleu restaurant. had a nice meal in there [20:20] depends on the publishing date :) [20:20] doesn't your time machine work? [20:20] MartijnVdS: i meant the url of your blog as a whole. not the post specific. [20:20] helpful :P [20:20] diddledan: nah, my TARDIS broke down [20:21] brobostigon: ah, http://blog.vandestreek.net/ [20:21] MartijnVdS: thank you, :) [20:22] i havent done a change though. you've been stitched up a little, hopefully it will work out [20:24] Seems like it's theoretically possible, but I have NFI where to go etc [20:24] of course they are non-flexi tickets too :| [20:25] oh, i know someone who did that [20:25] trekked across town [20:25] je veux aller a gare de lyon, vite vite monsieur! [20:26]