OvenWerksholstein: ZFS looks pretty good. I think in a higher class production facility where a number of disks are used in a machine, disk read/write speeds could be improved as well as the data protection benefits.01:58
OvenWerksFuse zfs would not help though.01:59
OvenWerksinteresting how open sw licences can conflict.01:59
zequence_alright, vacation!09:04
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zequenceI have a few things to take care of today, but I'll have about 3 weeks to spend at my will, so hopefully I can help forward the development progress somewhat during that time09:05
smartboyhwDarkEra, hello! zequence is now on holiday:p11:12
smartboyhwSo he can spend more time with us:)11:12
DarkErasmartboyhw, hi11:13
DarkErasmartboyhw, well, for now my time is over, my laptop died11:13
smartboyhwDarkEra, :O11:14
DarkEraall i have at the moment is this old crappy netbook11:14
smartboyhwzequence, DarkEra I will be leaving for London on Wednesday, will not stay in computer till 31st July.11:15
smartboyhwSTUDY TOURE11:15
DarkEraok :)11:15
DarkErasee you later, gotta go11:26
zequencesmartboyhw: Sounds like a fun trip14:11
smartboyhwzequence, heh14:12
zequenceOvenWerks: I was investigating options on how to override stuff from other DEs, and finally, decided to see just how much would work from installing xubuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-default-settings, logging in with the Ubuntu Studio session20:52
zequenceHaven't looked so much at the details yet, but pretty much everything worked, except for the icons20:53
zequenceI'm kind of leaning towards dropping our desktop completely from the seeds, and just depending on Xubuntu20:54
zequenceI think if we can "blacklist" some dependencies, we could fine tune that a little21:01
zequenceif needed21:01
zequenceOvenWerks: Since you're turning the menu into its own package, we might just as well do it that way21:16
zequenceah, well. that's not really a factor come to think of it. 21:16
zequencebut, for some DEs, maybe all we need is the DE and some extras, like the menu package, linux-lowlatency, etc21:17
zequencethen there's the question, do we override artwork at all? At the very least, one might want to change a menu icon and the wallpaper21:18
zequence..this is for any non-default DEs21:18
OvenWerkszequence: there are a few things we may need to watch for to do that. In the same way we have set the libav-extra libs to get loaded first there is at least one other package we load in the desktop seeds that needs to be there. (the one I added when our ISO would not build, I would have to look it up)21:41
OvenWerksxubuntu has fixed their menu file now so ours should just work over top. If we add our settings, it would override that anyway.21:42
OvenWerkszequence: would we name the sessions ubuntustudio-kde -gnome -unity? would xfce be just ubuntustudio? or would it be ubuntustudio-xfce?21:45
OvenWerksI am not asking becasue it matters what, but so that we take it into concideration.21:46
OvenWerksI think our icon-theme will work with whatever. I think it should be possible to have our backdrops all in one place and still have the different DEs use them. They do need to be in /usr/share/whatever/ though so that they can be used for lightdm also.21:48
OvenWerksI would like to see all of our settings for all DEs in one package. At boot time it should be easy enough to set up an upstart config that looks to see which DEs are there and creates a link (or kills one) to a presetup session for that DE.21:51
OvenWerksthat way There would be no ghost sessions (sessions the user can see listed but don't work).21:52
OvenWerksit would also give us the oportunity to remove a plain DE session. For example, if KDE is installed, there would be a KDE session with KDE defaults. We would want to replace that with a ubuntustudio-kde session with our defaults. It would be the same for xfce, gnome, lubuntu or whatever.21:54
OvenWerksLooking at our current install in /usr/share/xsessions/ there are two desktop files one for ubuntustudio and one for xfce. Removing the one for xfce would leave us with just the one session and not confuse people. I am not sure of the correct way of doing that though. Just removing that might mean it is just replaced on any xfce update or that xfce never gets updated.22:14
OvenWerksI have had this problem with my kernel on my server becasue I have set it up to use a serial device as console by editing a config file the system holds them back untill I force the new ones to instal. an apt-get upgrade won't touch them.22:16
zequenceOvenWerks: I'll experiment with that tomorrow. On icons, they weren't loaded by default - on a clean (yet unpopulated) user home23:02
zequencethis was when installing: xubuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-default-settings23:02
zequencebb tomorrow23:03
OvenWerkszequence: ubuntustudio-icon-theme has to be installed too.23:43
OvenWerksI am not sure that settings depends on it... it should23:43

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