[01:58] <OvenWerks> holstein: ZFS looks pretty good. I think in a higher class production facility where a number of disks are used in a machine, disk read/write speeds could be improved as well as the data protection benefits.
[01:59] <OvenWerks> Fuse zfs would not help though.
[01:59] <OvenWerks> interesting how open sw licences can conflict.
[09:04] <zequence_> alright, vacation!
[09:05] <zequence> I have a few things to take care of today, but I'll have about 3 weeks to spend at my will, so hopefully I can help forward the development progress somewhat during that time
[11:12] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, hello! zequence is now on holiday:p
[11:12] <smartboyhw> So he can spend more time with us:)
[11:13] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, hi
[11:13] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, well, for now my time is over, my laptop died
[11:14] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, :O
[11:14] <DarkEra> all i have at the moment is this old crappy netbook
[11:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, DarkEra I will be leaving for London on Wednesday, will not stay in computer till 31st July.
[11:15] <smartboyhw> STUDY TOURE
[11:15] <DarkEra> ok :)
[11:26] <DarkEra> see you later, gotta go
[14:11] <zequence> smartboyhw: Sounds like a fun trip
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, heh
[20:52] <zequence> OvenWerks: I was investigating options on how to override stuff from other DEs, and finally, decided to see just how much would work from installing xubuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-default-settings, logging in with the Ubuntu Studio session
[20:53] <zequence> Haven't looked so much at the details yet, but pretty much everything worked, except for the icons
[20:54] <zequence> I'm kind of leaning towards dropping our desktop completely from the seeds, and just depending on Xubuntu
[21:01] <zequence> I think if we can "blacklist" some dependencies, we could fine tune that a little
[21:01] <zequence> if needed
[21:16] <zequence> OvenWerks: Since you're turning the menu into its own package, we might just as well do it that way
[21:16] <zequence> ah, well. that's not really a factor come to think of it. 
[21:17] <zequence> but, for some DEs, maybe all we need is the DE and some extras, like the menu package, linux-lowlatency, etc
[21:18] <zequence> then there's the question, do we override artwork at all? At the very least, one might want to change a menu icon and the wallpaper
[21:18] <zequence> ..this is for any non-default DEs
[21:41] <OvenWerks> zequence: there are a few things we may need to watch for to do that. In the same way we have set the libav-extra libs to get loaded first there is at least one other package we load in the desktop seeds that needs to be there. (the one I added when our ISO would not build, I would have to look it up)
[21:42] <OvenWerks> xubuntu has fixed their menu file now so ours should just work over top. If we add our settings, it would override that anyway.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> zequence: would we name the sessions ubuntustudio-kde -gnome -unity? would xfce be just ubuntustudio? or would it be ubuntustudio-xfce?
[21:46] <OvenWerks> I am not asking becasue it matters what, but so that we take it into concideration.
[21:48] <OvenWerks> I think our icon-theme will work with whatever. I think it should be possible to have our backdrops all in one place and still have the different DEs use them. They do need to be in /usr/share/whatever/ though so that they can be used for lightdm also.
[21:51] <OvenWerks> I would like to see all of our settings for all DEs in one package. At boot time it should be easy enough to set up an upstart config that looks to see which DEs are there and creates a link (or kills one) to a presetup session for that DE.
[21:52] <OvenWerks> that way There would be no ghost sessions (sessions the user can see listed but don't work).
[21:54] <OvenWerks> it would also give us the oportunity to remove a plain DE session. For example, if KDE is installed, there would be a KDE session with KDE defaults. We would want to replace that with a ubuntustudio-kde session with our defaults. It would be the same for xfce, gnome, lubuntu or whatever.
[22:14] <OvenWerks> Looking at our current install in /usr/share/xsessions/ there are two desktop files one for ubuntustudio and one for xfce. Removing the one for xfce would leave us with just the one session and not confuse people. I am not sure of the correct way of doing that though. Just removing that might mean it is just replaced on any xfce update or that xfce never gets updated.
[22:16] <OvenWerks> I have had this problem with my kernel on my server becasue I have set it up to use a serial device as console by editing a config file the system holds them back untill I force the new ones to instal. an apt-get upgrade won't touch them.
[23:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'll experiment with that tomorrow. On icons, they weren't loaded by default - on a clean (yet unpopulated) user home
[23:02] <zequence> this was when installing: xubuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-default-settings
[23:03] <zequence> bb tomorrow
[23:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: ubuntustudio-icon-theme has to be installed too.
[23:43] <OvenWerks> I am not sure that settings depends on it... it should