=== LNCP is now known as Guest57823 [05:19] hello all [05:20] trying to figure out how to use the crtl+alt+bckspc to restart X if im in xubuntu [05:29] !dontzap [05:29] Hm. [06:52] Hello === burn_ is now known as burn [07:26] Are there any rss readers that integrate with the xubuntu desktop? [07:33] with 13.10 coming up. what features do we have? [07:47] Pwnna, lots of bugs so far ;) [07:47] lol awesome [07:47] ideally xfce4.12 (depends on when they release it [07:48] that seems like never [07:48] :3 [07:48] also, new versions of everything and a slightly updated theme [07:48] so nothing huge [07:49] Pwnna, you could always help us with 13.10? [07:50] stable enough to use on a regular machine? [07:50] when we get around to releasing, yes [07:51] http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ and http://community.ubuntu.com/ are the links to get involved [07:51] Noskcaj: i'm a dev.. so idk i might be better helping xfce [07:52] ok [07:52] i'm still on 12.04 [07:52] there's a lot of issues with the setup right now [07:52] it's hard to fix [07:52] so i want to start fresh [07:52] but that's hard because so much legacy on this computer.. [07:53] (was upgraded from 10.10) [07:53] If you do re-install, go for 13.04, it has a lot of improvements over 12.04 [07:54] i know. i have another machine running 13.04 [07:57] Pwnna: that's not so bad, my friend went from 10.04 to 12.04 without closing his screen process [07:59] i wake to nuke everything as i have some weird graphics lock up right now [07:59] and also i want to set up WDE [09:03] will Pidgin on 12.04 LTS be updated? It lacks certificates/ connection with facebook chat. [09:06] nikolam: http://www.pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/ [09:07] but i'm not using pidgin, so i can't tell if it helps you [09:08] I more and more wonder what is the point of LTS if programs are not updated when they start lacking functionality. [09:09] has there been a bug reported? [09:11] Sysi, hm, now I try it on another machine with LTS and it works... .hmm [09:11] hello. what kind of tests are recommended after trying the different video drivers offered in ubuntu? [09:12] to determine which driver is working best* [09:13] as a part of driver development or as testing as a user? [09:13] try running whatever you need to run and maybe check temperatures with command "sensors" [09:13] user [09:13] i wanna know witch will run my game metter [09:13] b* [09:13] then, run the game [09:14] and just check fps? [09:14] if you want a benchmark, there's Unigine Heaven [09:14] ok, ty [09:14] there is phoronix test suite and glxgears [09:14] what i fi cant tell much of a difference ? go with the newest? [09:16] hello [09:17] how to find all possible command line tools related to XFS administration? [09:17] http://openbenchmarking.org/suites/pts [09:18] ty [09:49] how to find all possible command line tools related to XFS administration? [09:51] man xfs would be a start [11:34] thank you === SonikkuAmerica is now known as SonikkuAmerica[9 === SonikkuAmerica[9 is now known as S-USA[R-90] === S-USA[R-90] is now known as SonikkuAmerica [13:50] samy, IIRC, most of them start with xfs_ [13:51] One, which i use often time, is xfs_growfs -- When i grow a LVM volume, and need to grow the filesystem on that volume (when filesystem is XFS) [13:51] Arroyo1010, gone already [13:51] ah [13:51] i turned off joins/parts [13:52] will my keyrings work if i just backup my ~/.local/share/keyrings dir, and restore it? [13:53] my laptop, single user [13:59] *crickets* [14:09] !patience [14:09] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/ [14:19] lderan, actually he was pretty patient. He pasted that last about 10 minutes ago... [14:19] indeed === azeam is now known as azeam_afk [15:01] hmmm [15:01] i have a problem [15:01] with cpu clock :s [15:01] please help [15:14] i m back [15:16] what is your problem? === XyverzAFK is now known as Xyverz [15:53] hey [15:53] quick question [15:53] I setup xubuntu on mydesktop yesterday [15:54] then i installed the nvidia driver [15:54] and now it wont boot. [15:55] how can i save the install. [15:55] I can't get to a console [15:55] even through recovery [15:56] ByteTripper: pro tip: set up proprietary drivers *first* [15:56] that is the driver i installed. [15:56] [11:54] then i installed the nvidia driver [15:56] ByteTripper: one thing to do, is mount the instance live and grab the /home partition.. look while you are in there and see if there is an /xorg.conf [15:57] /etc/X11/xorg.conf to be precise.. if so, you can try renaming it [15:57] Again can't get a console... [15:57] ByteTripper: im commenting on the timing... you set everything else up, and now you dont want to waste that effort, since the nvidia driver install is being problematic [15:58] during the normal boot it hangs at setting up a swap [15:58] ByteTripper: the "fixes" above are from a live CD.. you *can* get to a live CD, corrrect? [15:58] I can [15:58] ByteTripper: setting up a swap is not an nvidia problem [15:58] but I can't access the installed copy [15:58] I know [15:58] but after swap fails, nvidia fails [15:58] why is swap failing? could it be a bad hard drive? [15:59] may be a bad swap partition [15:59] I guess im stuck reinstalling...? [16:00] I just didn';t like spending 30 minutes getting updates right after I install. [16:00] ByteTripper: right.. thats what im talking about [16:00] ByteTripper: do the nvidia install *first* [16:00] I did [16:01] ByteTripper: dont setup the install, do everything to set everything up, *then* install the nvidia driver [16:01] that what I did [16:01] ByteTripper: thats not what you stated at first.. you said "i set everything up, then installed nvidia, then breakage" [16:02] Yea, i installed xubuntu and did the base setup [16:02] then the nvidia driver\ [16:02] I can't install it without xubuntu :P [16:02] ByteTripper: ? [16:02] ByteTripper: i am not suggesting that.. [16:02] 11:53 < ByteTripper> I setup xubuntu on mydesktop yesterday [16:02] 11:54 < ByteTripper> then i installed the nvidia driver [16:02] explain please [16:02] ^^ that is what you said [16:02] yea [16:03] setuo my desktop with xubuntu [16:03] that to me means, i installed xubuntu, set it up *then* installed nvidia [16:03] everything else is stock [16:03] ByteTripper: i say, install xubuntu, install nvidia, test, *then* set it up [16:03] ByteTripper: is that what you did ? [16:03] yea [16:04] if you installed nvidia and all was well, *then* did upgrade and the breakage happened, that is quite different than what you explained [16:04] ByteTripper: which did you do? [16:04] xubuntu [16:04] upgrade [16:04] nvidia [16:05] ByteTripper: ok.. so, look for an xorg.conf from a live CD [16:05] ca'nt access the drive from livecd [16:05] it says its busy [16:06] ByteTripper: what says what is busy? [16:06] the drive [16:06] ByteTripper: ok.. what says the drive is busy? [16:06] the one that has the broken install [16:07] ByteTripper: how are you trying to access the drive? and what exactly reports "the drive is busy"? [16:07] the drive that has the nvidia driver [16:09] ByteTripper: ok.. the hard drive in the machine is trying to be accessed by a live CD? correct? and something says "sorry, you cannont access this drive, for it is busy".. what is stating to you "the drive is busy". is it a file manager? is it the live OS? at boot? when? and what *exactly* is the message? [16:10] the drive that i installed xubuntu on [16:10] that is not booting [16:10] ima just reinstall xubuntu [16:10] and disable swap [16:10] no need for it when i have 8gb of ram... [16:11] ByteTripper: the drive doest say anything, friend.. its just sitting there.. and you boot up a live CD. and you try and access the drive with something? and you get an error? what are you using? [16:11] it does. [16:11] when I go to access it it says it's busy [16:12] i'm just going to reinstall it [16:12] ByteTripper: what are you using to access it? [16:12] ByteTripper: the file manager? [16:12] shows up on thedesktop [16:12] ByteTripper: it? [16:13] ByteTripper: the drive shows up on the desktop? [16:13] the drive [16:13] and you "click" on "it" and "it" says "it" is busy? [16:13] yes [16:13] ByteTripper: take that sentence ^^ and replace *all* of the "its" [16:13] .. [16:13] >.> [16:14] ByteTripper: otherwise, wait patiently for another volunteer.. i need details [16:15] it says its busy [16:15] and i hate this laptops keyboard [16:16] ByteTripper: i dont know what *is* is [16:16] it* [16:17] ByteTripper: you say "it" says the drive is busy.. and i dont know what *is* is [16:17] the drive. [16:17] that hasa the bad [16:17] right.. and what is saying its busy? [16:17] xubuntu install [16:17] yrd [16:17] I can't access it or try to remount it [16:17] ByteTripper: and? when you remount it? [16:17] what are you using? [16:17] im just clicking on it on the desktop [16:18] ByteTripper: ok.. try opening a file manager [16:18] !mount [16:18] mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount [16:18] ^^ and using the terminal [16:18] yea i know. [16:18] >.> [16:18] ByteTripper: so, you tried that? [16:18] yes [16:18] mount sdc /hdd [16:18] ok.. include that in the sentence then.. and try conveying what you have tried to me [16:18] mount /dev/sdc /hdd* [16:18] !enter [16:18] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [16:18] !details [16:18] Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [16:19] i AM givin detqils but this keyboqerd is horid [16:19] !volunteers > ByteTripper [16:19] ByteTripper, please see my private message [16:19] ByteTripper, first things first: calm down and the message will reach us. [16:19] i am calm [16:19] this keyboard is reched. [16:21] ima reinstall xubuntu [16:21] then the nvidia driver and see if it reboots befre i update. [16:22] ByteTripper: good luck! i think that is ideal [16:22] il be back under xubu ntu [16:22] instead of win 8 [16:24] holstein: xubuntu is the best alternative to ubuntu [16:24] No Unity. [16:25] ByteTripper: xubuntu *is* ubuntu [16:25] I know it is at heart, but other then that it's not remotely like the newest editions of ubuntu [16:25] no one has to use unity.. i dont.. but you never know what volunteer here might be a part of the excellent team that is responsible for creating and developing unity [16:25] No built in ads, no unity, and full user controll [16:26] holstein: Unity would be nice, on the bottom of the screen... [16:26] Not constantly popping out of the side when my mouse gets close to it [16:26] "nicer" is a matter of opinion.. i just dont prefer it, so i dont use it [16:27] there was a app wrote to move it to the bottom of the screen... [16:27] others to remove it [16:27] It'd be nice if it wasen't intrucive. That's why I've loved xubuntu so far. [16:27] ByteTripper: please feel free and share your opinions about it in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel.. or any of the offtopic channels [16:27] Simplicity of Ubuntu with a great user experience :P [16:27] THere's a offtopic channel? [16:27] Ok [16:37] are the alpha versions of xubuntu 13.10 using mir? [16:46] !13.10 > Xyverz [16:46] Xyverz, please see my private message [16:52] :O [16:57] holstein: [16:58] I am currently in xubuntu installing it. [16:58] Gotta wait for that to finish up === ByeTripper is now known as ByteTripper [17:11] holstein: thanks, but that doesn't answer the question. [17:11] holstein, it'd be better to talk here... [17:11] Xyverz: the question should be asked in #ubuntu+1 ..13.10 support and question are for that channel [17:11] there is no "support" for 13.10 AFAIK.. its not released [17:12] no, not yet [17:12] holstein: dude. it was not a support question. I asked out of curiosity. If you had told me to ask elsewhere from the beginning, I would not have responded as I did. Or even better yet, a simple, "I'm not really sure" would have been awesome. [17:12] anyway.... === Xyverz is now known as XyverzAFK [17:12] XyverzAFK, please don't use awaynicks. thanks [17:13] holstein, ! [17:13] I'm under xubuntu [17:13] I'm looking for the nvidia driver right now [17:14] !nvidia | ByteTripper this is what i refer to [17:14] ByteTripper this is what i refer to: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto === XyverzAFK is now known as Xyverz [17:15] nice. I step away for 30 seconds and ... [17:15] nvm. [17:15] Xyverz, AFK nicks are Taboo [17:16] holstein, not helpful :| [17:16] I can't find the settings panel [17:16] ByteTripper: if you dont have the driver installed, you wont have it [17:16] holstein, I read the link you gave me [17:17] what the hell are afk nicks? [17:17] flux242, please watch the language. [17:17] it symbolizes that you're AFK [17:17] knome, he didn't use inappropraite langugage O_O [17:17] also, if you must, you can discuss that on -offtopic [17:18] Can someone help me find the drivers section [17:18] in settings [17:19] ByteTripper, it's under "software & updates" on the newer versions, in the tab "additional drivers" [17:19] ByteTripper: i have "nvidia-settings" .. i can run it from a terminal if i cant find it [17:19] holstein, that only controls nvidias drivers/settings, not driver installation [17:20] knome: im not sure if thats not what ByteTripper is asking.. [17:20] if he's not, then he must try to elaborate [17:20] knome, you pointed me in the right direction [17:20] Thank you. [17:21] I'm going to blacklist the nouveau driver. [17:21] It's installing the geforce one that's tested [17:21] ByteTripper: i would do nothing more than one the guide says to do. i did no manual blacklisting [17:21] manual blacklisting is not usually needed, but each to their own [17:22] Last time it "automatically blacklisted", I ended with a nonbooting system. [17:23] It's blacklisted and the driver is installing. [17:24] ByteTripper: i dont think we can assume knowing what caused your issue. .you mentioned manually disabling swap as well [17:24] I'm disabling swap as well in a second [17:24] Busy with videodrivers [17:37] holstein: ! [17:37] System hanging again [17:38] ByteTripper: purge the driver, and dont use it, would be my suggestion [17:38] ByteTripper: assuming, again you cannot get in to the system in any way [17:38] Adding 837220k swap on /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-swap_1. [17:38] Priority:-1 extents:1 accross:8372220k [17:39] The thing is without the driver the display is blury. [17:39] :| [17:39] and this doesn't appear to relate to the driver [17:39] ByteTripper: i would do as simple of an install as possible. for troubleshooting purposes.. i would also, at this point, test the hard drive [17:40] The HDD is fine [17:40] Debian installs fine, Arch installs fine, Windows installs fine [17:40] This crash is only affecting xubuntu [17:40] There's no information on it. [17:40] a os installing doest indicate the health of a hard drive [17:40] it appears to be adding 8gb of swap. [17:41] jinkies... that's a lot of swap [17:41] but I used sudo swapoff -a [17:41] will 13.10 include xfce 4.12? [17:41] flux242: please ask about 13.10 in #ubuntu+1 [17:41] is your xubuntu 64bit? [17:41] yes [17:42] holstein: why? I'm asking about xubuntu [17:42] !13.10 [17:42] Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) will be the 19th release of Ubuntu. Announcement: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252 - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [17:43] ubuntu has nothing to do with xfce [17:43] flux242: im not trying to be combative.. if you have a question about 13.10, please visit the appropriate channel.. #ubuntu+1 ..thanks [17:44] holstein: I think he means 13.10 xubuntu... [17:44] poisoned_dragon: do you know why i might be crashing [17:45] what questions are appropriate here then?? [17:45] flux242: something like http://xubuntu.org/news/looking-towards-xubuntu-13-10/ might help you find the correct soucre.. the repos are hot, so you can alwyas just browse them, or try a live CD.. see the /topic for guidelines [17:45] holstein: [17:45] flux242, xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce. [17:46] Right after "Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done." [17:46] no, sorry ByteTripper [17:46] poisoned_dragon: reall??? [17:46] The crash happens [17:46] no way!!! [17:46] if you knew, why you act so derp? [17:46] * ByteTripper facepalms [17:46] he's being sarcastic. [17:46] pls tell me am I talking to bots here? [17:46] I know he is [17:46] eh [17:47] I love xubuntu, but the crashing and burning [17:47] :| [17:47] ubottu is a bot flux242 [17:47] holstein: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [17:47] but his timing stinks [17:47] ubottu: [17:47] I'm just a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent [17:47] I'm just a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent [17:47] i knew it [17:48] So no one has any idea why my system is crashing when ti appears to make a 8gb swap [17:48] I'm just aggravating flux242, please don't think of me as noble. [17:48] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=raring§ion=all&arch=any&keywords=xfce4&searchon=names might be what you are looking for flux242 , but 13.10 is OT here [17:49] why 13.10 is ot here? There won't be a xubuntu 13.10? [17:49] flux242, all versions are in #ubuntu+1 (13.10) [17:49] flux242: 13.10 is not out yet, so its not supported offically here.. [17:50] kubuntu, xubuntu lubuntu etc [17:51] what don't you get flux242? this room is only for 13.04 support [17:52] 13.10 isn't released yet. when it is, it'll be supported here [17:57] who was that xy guy [17:57] xyzvar? [17:57] i dunno [17:57] knome: does [17:57] I'm going to be putting debian on my desktop. [17:57] :| [17:58] poisoned_dragon, stop provoking anybody. [17:58] I provoke noone [17:58] knome he's not provoking. [17:58] flux242, unreleased versions aren't supported in this channel, #ubuntu+1 is for that [17:59] poisoned_dragon, "i'm just aggravating"... [17:59] since i'm behind, when does the crash happen, ByteTripper? [17:59] it happens when the swap is made. [17:59] but I disabled the swap file. [18:00] Is there a kernel flag I can set to make sure it doesn't try and setup swap [18:00] ByteTripper: i would troubleshoot that seperate from the nvidia install, before installing the driver, to make sure you are zeroing in on the correct issue [18:00] !swap | ByteTripper might help [18:00] ByteTripper might help: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info [18:00] holstein: it crash's right at the swap [18:01] ByteTripper: sure, and im saying, it should crash before the nvidia drive got installed, so troubleshoot it then, before you lock yourself out of the system [18:01] nvidia driver* [18:01] that's just honest, knome. I never said it was intentional. [18:01] Did you permanently disable swap? [18:01] holstein: the nvidia driver isn't getitng loaded as it hangs before :| [18:01] poisoned_dragon: swapoff -a [18:02] ByteTripper: sure.. so dont even install it til you get the issue you are talking about sorted out [18:02] holstein: with or without the nvidia driver it crash's [18:02] the easiest way to permanently disable sway is to unmount it with gparted and delete the swap partition. [18:02] ByteTripper: i understand that, but you are stating now that you cant get in to do anything.. before the nvidia install, you can [18:02] So there's no kernel flag to stop it fron trying toget it to not use wap [18:03] ByteTripper: that link i gave should have all the information about swap that you should need [18:03] holstein: it doesn't. [18:03] ByteTripper: what are you looking for specifically? that is not there? [18:03] kernel flag. [18:04] Hmm... does it work fine in live cd session? [18:04] ye [18:05] use the live cd session to run gparted and remove the swap partition all together. no need for a kernel flag because there will be no partition to automount. [18:05] does adding "noswap" in grub work for you ByteTripper ? [18:16] i guess he fixed it [18:20] i'm installing debian with xfce. [18:20] :| [18:20] ByteTripper: that's OT, that's OT, go away. Just kidding [18:20] lol [18:21] flux242: eh [18:21] xubuntu crashed too much. [18:21] sorry you couldn't get xubuntu running, ByteTripper [18:21] poisoned_dragon: I'm running on a all intel system right now [18:21] while my amd box installs debian [18:22] Intel videodrivers are great under Linux apparantly [18:22] So this might end up xubuntu [18:22] AMD can be a fickle graphics chip to setup for. [18:23] um, wait... I thought you said the crashing was with nvidia drivers? [18:23] it is [18:23] the CPU is amd. [18:23] Yes it's a unholy mix... [18:23] what's nvidia then? [18:23] videocard [19:36] hi, i got a problem with flash, i suppose, but maybe something else is causing the problem and its not flash itself. [19:36] anyone here is seeding xubuntu? I was wondering if I am the only one experiencing low upload bandwitdh with it (I also seed CentOS and he seem to max out my upload rather easily instead) [19:38] the colors are falsified, and the whole flash element is pressed together on the left side [19:39] jotun: Try xdpyinfo | grep root and tell me the "depth of root window:" [19:39] blackbit: i would expect your bandwidth to be related to your internet connection [19:39] depth of root window: 15 planes [19:39] as I said, other torrents mostly max out my upload... do you seed xubuntu? [19:41] jotun: So you have an intel integrated card, older one. You have 3 options, force 24bit, use PPAPI/Pepper flash, or ignore it. [19:42] what is PPAPI/Pepper? [19:42] the api interface that flash now uses in chrome [19:42] blackbit: what are you proposing? its the iso? or something specifically relating to the data? could it just be that no one is downloading the iso right now? [19:43] jotun: Chrome flash, works in chromium too though. [19:43] firefox won't support it because of the api's proprietary nature. [19:43] poisoned_dragon: Not exactly. [19:43] and firefox and opera will not work with it? [19:43]