[08:01] <Nothing_Much> I'm having a bit of a hard time trying to get Mir to run because I can't install the xorg-video-abi-13 package for some reason
[08:07] <Nothing_Much> Anyone?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:26] <FernandoMiguel> any body else stuck in an older kernel?
[13:26] <FernandoMiguel> I'm on 3.9.0-7, cause the only one that has proper CPU scheduler management
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> anyone can point me in the direction of debugging unity ?
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> a # or something ?
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> doing $ killall -9 unity-panel-service every few minutes, is no longer an option :(
[14:27] <xjunior> Morning guys. Since yesterday I'm not being able to start X/XMir
[14:27] <xjunior> it starts to initialize (I even see Mir's big arrow at the top-left corner)
[14:27] <xjunior> Then crashes. Anybody having this issue?
[14:28] <ikonia> have you got a bug logged ?
[14:28] <ikonia> have you traced what packages have been changed ?
[14:28] <xjunior> ikonia: I saw a bunch of changes in drivers before it started crashing
[14:28] <xjunior> I upgrade the packages pretty much every day
[14:28] <ikonia> "changes in drivers..."
[14:28] <ikonia> what ???
[14:28] <ikonia> xjunior: 1.) work out what packages changed between working/not working
[14:28] <xjunior> like intel driver
[14:29] <ikonia> xjunior: 2.) log bug with detail
[14:30] <xjunior> ikonia: is there a way to know which packages changed yesterday afternoon?
[14:30] <ikonia> check the logs - pay attention ?? you're supposed to be testing this...not just watching
[15:18] <FernandoMiguel> in which release cycle did we start having all these packages in -proposed ?
[15:18] <FernandoMiguel> I know for sure everything used to go to main
[15:18] <Pici> 'these packages' ?
[15:18] <FernandoMiguel> Pici: so many of them
[15:19] <FernandoMiguel> that repo used to be empty till final release
[15:20] <Pici> I think they started to put stuff in there that would have more of an impact on system stability started to come out.
[15:20] <FernandoMiguel> Pici: maybe last cycle?
[15:20] <Pici> I think it was before that.
[15:21] <FernandoMiguel> okay
[15:21] <FernandoMiguel> I can't put my finger on it
[15:21] <FernandoMiguel> I just enabled it on mine
[15:21] <FernandoMiguel> lets see if I can even boot after that :p
[15:28] <xjunior> ikonia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1199399
[15:33] <SuperLag> I think it's libpixman.
[15:33] <SuperLag> that's what is making X segfault here.
[16:43] <Nothing_Much> Does anybody know why I can't install xorg-video-abi-13?
[16:44] <ikonia> have you looked at the error ?
[16:45] <Nothing_Much> It won'd allow me to upgrade the Nouveau/Radeon/Intel driver for Mir
[16:46] <ikonia> ok, so again "why"
[16:49] <Nothing_Much> xorg-video-abi-13 doesn't have an installation candidate
[16:53] <Nothing_Much> But I can't seem to get Mir to work properly without the nouveau driver
[16:54] <holstein> Nothing_Much: i heard only the open drives work with it
[16:54] <holstein> drivers*
[16:55] <holstein> Nothing_Much: MIR literally just came out.. i wouldnt expect much in the way of featuers or support
[16:55] <Nothing_Much> Well, I was just expecting it to pick the correct driver instead of the VMware one, and I did remove the nvidia driver and the xorg.conf
[16:56] <holstein> Nothing_Much: right.. i would adjust your expectations.. since its *quite* early days
[16:57] <ikonia> Nothing_Much: ok - so it doesn't have an installation candidate meaing that package is either a.) not valid in your cache, b.) not valid in the repo
[16:57] <ikonia> Nothing_Much: so 1.) apt-get update to make sure your cache is current 2.) try again
[16:57] <ikonia> Nothing_Much: it's possible that the package just doesn't exist at the moment
[16:58] <Nothing_Much> It looks like it's in 12.10, but not 13.04
[16:58] <ikonia> ok, so there you go
[16:59] <Nothing_Much> or 13.10
[16:59] <ikonia> there you go again then...
[16:59] <ikonia> you have the answer why there is no candidate available
[17:02] <Nothing_Much> It's nonexistant, but I read the wiki on how to install pre-built packages on a PC
[17:02] <Nothing_Much> Oh, there's updates
[17:02] <Nothing_Much> I'll brb
[17:12] <Nothing_Much> Oh wow, it installed :D
[18:20] <genii> My touchpad stopped working after latest updates. The buttons still work, just not the pad. Still works under 13.04
[21:22] <kanliot> how do i see if MIR is running?
[21:23] <holstein> ps aux ?
[21:23] <holstein> i heard there were 2 cursors showing in MIR right now... that might be an indicator
[21:24] <kanliot> :(
[21:24] <holstein> ?
[21:24] <holstein> if you dont want a frowny face, dont use MIR right now.. its quite new
[21:25] <kanliot> i didn't come here for a lecture
[21:25] <kanliot> :(
[21:25] <kanliot> i was wondering if MIR was running in todays Lubuntu build
[21:25] <kanliot> which seems to be a valid question
[21:26] <holstein> i dont think mir is planned for lubuntu, corret?
[21:26] <holstein> kanliot: im not questioning the validity, nor lecuturing.. nor tring to be combative.. im just saying, its new, so expect some "issues" for a while
[21:27] <kanliot> you assume that my concerns aren't valid
[21:27] <kanliot> even after i state them plainly
[21:27] <kanliot> and i actually like you
[21:27] <sporkeee> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/lubuntu-kubuntu-decide-against-mir-switch
[21:27] <holstein> kanliot: actually, i dont.. i assure you, im assuming nothing.. and i like you too
[21:28] <kanliot> seems like we've chatted before in #lubuntu or something
[21:28] <holstein> ^^ that is what i heard, that lubuntu is not planning to use MIR
[21:29] <yofel> kanliot: if you have mir running then you'll have an additional mouse icon in the top left corner. (Unlikely as MIR isn't in the archive yet)
[21:30] <kanliot> yofel i thought the changes to x.org stack got pushed today.  and TYVM for the answer.  I do not see the mouse icon
[21:31] <yofel> kanliot: you can also check for a 'unity-system-compositor' process, that would be mir
[21:56] <maslen> Random question: If apt-get build-dep doesn't actually install all of the build dependencies, is that considered a flaw?
[21:56] <maslen> Assuming that the missing packages are available through apt-get install
[22:01] <jtaylor> yes