| jbicha | I'm hoping it will land this week | 00:14 |
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| darkxst | ok, g-s-d is basically blocked on lid close power actions | 00:15 |
| darkxst | (and possible wacom panel issues, which I can't test) | 00:15 |
| jbicha | I was thinking we should have ibus & indicator-keyboard land first and then start testing g-s-d 3.8 | 00:18 |
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| alexandros_c | hello, I just changed the gpu in my laptop from ati x1400 tp nvidia go 7900, do I have to reinstall the os? | 00:45 |
| darkxst | jbicha, ok I need to sort the lid close stuff anyway | 00:57 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, no but you may need to make sure you have the correct X drivers installed | 00:57 |
| darkxst | it should boot up in fallback X | 00:58 |
| darkxst | then you can install nouvaeu or proprietry nvidia driver | 00:59 |
| alexandros_c | darkxst: do you know where to location the information to do it? Thanks for your response | 01:06 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, see software & update and then additional drivers tab | 01:07 |
| alexandros_c | darkxst: thanks once again | 01:08 |
| alexandros_c | darkxst: it says that I am currently using a Gallium 0.4 on NV49 | 01:10 |
| darkxst | its quite possible that nouveau is already installed, but its also likely that 3D is broken | 01:13 |
| alexandros_c | so reinstall the os? | 01:13 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, run `glxinfo | grep -i opengl` | 01:13 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, no | 01:13 |
| darkxst | check that command, if it says LLVM, then you just need to reinstall the driver | 01:14 |
| alexandros_c | darkxst: ok thanks, I have to install mesa-utils but I have to wait until the current update is finished | 01:16 |
| darkxst | settings->details might also tell you | 01:16 |
| alexandros_c | ok under driver it says Gallium 0.4 on NV49 and experience is standard | 01:18 |
| darkxst | ok not sure about that then, just get the glxinfo output | 01:44 |
| bjsnider | alexandros_c, how did you change the gpu in a laptop? | 02:14 |
| alexandros_c | bjsnider: because the ati x1400 was dying on me and causing the cpu using to always be high making the laptop unusable | 02:21 |
| bjsnider | no, i didn't ask why | 02:21 |
| bjsnider | i asked how | 02:21 |
| alexandros_c | lol | 02:21 |
| bjsnider | you'd have to change the whole board | 02:22 |
| bjsnider | the gpu is part of the chipset | 02:22 |
| alexandros_c | no | 02:22 |
| alexandros_c | with the dell inspiron 9400 the gpu can be changed | 02:22 |
| bjsnider | how? | 02:23 |
| alexandros_c | all I had to do was open up the laptop and unscrew the old gpu and screw in the new | 02:23 |
| bjsnider | ok, so it's an expansion card | 02:24 |
| alexandros_c | no it has a gpu port on the mobo | 02:24 |
| bjsnider | does it also have built-in intel graphics? | 02:24 |
| alexandros_c | no | 02:24 |
| alexandros_c | well actually it depends on what model you brought | 02:25 |
| bjsnider | were you not able to get a newer nvidia card than that? | 02:25 |
| alexandros_c | no only certain cards will fit the slot without moding the mobo | 02:26 |
| bjsnider | the newer blobs dropped support for hardware prior to the geforce 8 | 02:27 |
| bjsnider | so the 304 series is the latest you can use | 02:27 |
| bjsnider | or you can use nouveau, whichever works better | 02:28 |
| alexandros_c | ok thanks, what about 3D acceleration? | 02:28 |
| bjsnider | both would provide it, certainly the blob would be superior | 02:30 |
| bjsnider | if that's your biggest concern, go with the blob | 02:31 |
| alexandros_c | what concerns are there? | 02:31 |
| alexandros_c | will it provide a performance boost? | 02:32 |
| bjsnider | nouveau would provide kms and plymouth | 02:32 |
| bjsnider | the lbob wouldn't | 02:32 |
| bjsnider | nouveau might be faster in 2d situations | 02:32 |
| bjsnider | then there's the ethical side if your interested in normative concerns. nouveau is foss | 02:33 |
| alexandros_c | what about nouveau 3d rendering? | 02:38 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, like I said you will probably need to re-install the driver to get 3D rendering working | 02:38 |
| darkxst | X can only have a single GL driver installed at once | 02:39 |
| bjsnider | that is supported but there are a lot of edge cases where it doesn't work well. and in any case it will not be as fast as the blob | 02:39 |
| alexandros_c | so just use sudo apt-get install nouveau? | 02:39 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, you could try 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' | 02:40 |
| bjsnider | if he was using radeon before he doesn't have to change anything | 02:40 |
| alexandros_c | so 3d should be working then? | 02:41 |
| bjsnider | you would have to reboot of course | 02:41 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, glxinfo will tell you if 3D is working | 02:42 |
| alexandros_c | one more question, I according to systems detail I am using Gallium 0.4 on NV49, why is it saying that if I am using nouveau? | 02:43 |
| bjsnider | nouveau uses gallium | 02:43 |
| alexandros_c | ok | 02:43 |
| bjsnider | it uses gallium to provide opengl | 02:46 |
| alexandros_c | hey I got for vendor noveau, renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV49 version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.3 shading language version 1.20 and nothing for extension | 02:47 |
| bjsnider | nothing? | 02:48 |
| alexandros_c | nothing | 02:48 |
| alexandros_c | is that bad? | 02:48 |
| bjsnider | can you run glxgears? | 02:48 |
| darkxst | thats just from the grep | 02:48 |
| alexandros_c | it is running | 02:48 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, it is fine | 02:49 |
| bjsnider | and you're getting 60fps | 02:49 |
| bjsnider | it's syncing to vblank | 02:49 |
| alexandros_c | 114.198 fps | 02:49 |
| bjsnider | ok, you maybe don't have vblank | 02:49 |
| alexandros_c | is that good? | 02:49 |
| bjsnider | you're running gnome-shell? | 02:50 |
| alexandros_c | yes | 02:50 |
| bjsnider | can you drag a window back and forth across the screen to see if you've got tearing? | 02:50 |
| alexandros_c | with a bunch of extensions installed | 02:51 |
| alexandros_c | yes I did and there was no tearing | 02:51 |
| bjsnider | hm, whatever. anyway, opengl is working | 02:51 |
| alexandros_c | kool | 02:51 |
| alexandros_c | are you running ubuntu-gnome? | 02:52 |
| bjsnider | darkxst, you only have to worry about drivers if you're using a blob. all of the xorg drivers are preinstalled, and they all talk to the system mesa libgl. libgl is redirected through alternatives to the blob's libgl if that is used. | 02:53 |
| bjsnider | so you can switch graphics cards without making any changes other than rebooting | 02:53 |
| alexandros_c | yip | 02:54 |
| bjsnider | unlike windows, where it's a bigger meal than most users can handle | 02:55 |
| darkxst | bjsnider, right, guess I got momentarily confused, isnt something I do very often (switch cards) | 02:55 |
| bjsnider | yeah, mostly people switching cards are amd users who are sick of all the b.s. | 02:55 |
| bjsnider | in true howard beale fashion | 02:55 |
| darkxst | my amd card is permently disabled ;) | 02:56 |
| alexandros_c | so you are using intel? | 02:56 |
| bjsnider | sounds like a good bumper sticker to me | 02:56 |
| bjsnider | i'm using intel ivb and got no complaints | 02:56 |
| darkxst | yeh | 02:57 |
| alexandros_c | bjsnider and darkxst are you'll running ubuntu-gnome | 02:57 |
| alexandros_c | ? | 02:57 |
| darkxst | alexandros_c, yes | 02:57 |
| bjsnider | yeah | 02:57 |
| alexandros_c | I can't choose between unity and gnome-shell as Like both | 02:58 |
| alexandros_c | :) | 03:03 |
| alexandros_c | darkxst and bjsnider thanks for all your help | 03:07 |
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| jessejazza | Is there a mailing list for ubuntu-gnome? If not at present is that intended? | 20:45 |
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