[00:14] <jbicha> I'm hoping it will land this week
[00:15] <darkxst> ok, g-s-d is basically blocked on lid close power actions
[00:15] <darkxst> (and possible wacom panel issues, which I can't test)
[00:18] <jbicha> I was thinking we should have ibus & indicator-keyboard land first and then start testing g-s-d 3.8
[00:45] <alexandros_c> hello, I just changed the gpu in my laptop from ati x1400 tp nvidia go 7900, do I have to reinstall the os?
[00:57] <darkxst> jbicha, ok I need to sort the lid close stuff anyway
[00:57] <darkxst> alexandros_c, no but you may need to make sure you have the correct X drivers installed
[00:58] <darkxst> it should boot up in fallback X
[00:59] <darkxst> then you can install nouvaeu or proprietry nvidia driver
[01:06] <alexandros_c> darkxst: do you know where to location the information to do it? Thanks for your response
[01:07] <darkxst> alexandros_c, see software & update and then additional drivers tab
[01:08] <alexandros_c> darkxst: thanks once again
[01:10] <alexandros_c> darkxst: it says that I am currently using a Gallium 0.4 on NV49
[01:13] <darkxst> its quite possible that nouveau is already installed, but its also likely that 3D is broken
[01:13] <alexandros_c> so reinstall the os?
[01:13] <darkxst> alexandros_c, run `glxinfo | grep -i opengl`
[01:13] <darkxst> alexandros_c, no
[01:14] <darkxst> check that command, if it says LLVM, then you just need to reinstall the driver
[01:16] <alexandros_c> darkxst: ok thanks, I have to install mesa-utils but I have to wait until the current update is finished
[01:16] <darkxst> settings->details might also tell you
[01:18] <alexandros_c> ok under driver it says Gallium 0.4 on NV49 and experience is standard
[01:44] <darkxst> ok not sure about that then, just get the glxinfo output
[02:14] <bjsnider> alexandros_c, how did you change the gpu in a laptop?
[02:21] <alexandros_c> bjsnider: because the ati x1400 was dying on me and causing the cpu using to always be high making the laptop unusable
[02:21] <bjsnider> no, i didn't ask why
[02:21] <bjsnider> i asked how
[02:21] <alexandros_c> lol
[02:22] <bjsnider> you'd have to change the whole board
[02:22] <bjsnider> the gpu is part of the chipset
[02:22] <alexandros_c> no
[02:22] <alexandros_c> with the dell inspiron 9400 the gpu can be changed
[02:23] <bjsnider> how?
[02:23] <alexandros_c> all I had to do was open up the laptop and unscrew the old gpu and screw in the new
[02:24] <bjsnider> ok, so it's an expansion card
[02:24] <alexandros_c> no it has a gpu port on the mobo
[02:24] <bjsnider> does it also have built-in intel graphics?
[02:24] <alexandros_c> no
[02:25] <alexandros_c> well actually it depends on what model you brought
[02:25] <bjsnider> were you not able to get a newer nvidia card than that?
[02:26] <alexandros_c> no only certain cards will fit the slot without moding the mobo
[02:27] <bjsnider> the newer blobs dropped support for hardware prior to the geforce 8
[02:27] <bjsnider> so the 304 series is the latest you can use
[02:28] <bjsnider> or you can use nouveau, whichever works better
[02:28] <alexandros_c> ok thanks, what about 3D acceleration?
[02:30] <bjsnider> both would provide it, certainly the blob would be superior
[02:31] <bjsnider> if that's your biggest concern, go with the blob
[02:31] <alexandros_c> what concerns are there?
[02:32] <alexandros_c> will it provide a performance boost?
[02:32] <bjsnider> nouveau would provide kms and plymouth
[02:32] <bjsnider> the lbob wouldn't
[02:32] <bjsnider> nouveau might be faster in 2d situations
[02:33] <bjsnider> then there's the ethical side if your interested in normative concerns. nouveau is foss
[02:38] <alexandros_c> what about nouveau 3d rendering?
[02:38] <darkxst> alexandros_c, like I said you will probably need to re-install the driver to get 3D rendering working
[02:39] <darkxst> X can only have a single GL driver installed at once
[02:39] <bjsnider> that is supported but there are a lot of edge cases where it doesn't work well. and in any case it will not be as fast as the blob
[02:39] <alexandros_c> so just use sudo apt-get install nouveau?
[02:40] <darkxst> alexandros_c, you could try 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nouveau'
[02:40] <bjsnider> if he was using radeon before he doesn't have to change anything
[02:41] <alexandros_c> so 3d should be working then?
[02:41] <bjsnider> you would have to reboot of course
[02:42] <darkxst> alexandros_c, glxinfo will tell you if 3D is working
[02:43] <alexandros_c> one more question, I according to systems detail I am using Gallium 0.4 on NV49, why is it saying that if I am using nouveau?
[02:43] <bjsnider> nouveau uses gallium
[02:43] <alexandros_c> ok
[02:46] <bjsnider> it uses gallium to provide opengl
[02:47] <alexandros_c> hey I got for vendor noveau, renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV49 version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.3 shading language version 1.20 and nothing for extension
[02:48] <bjsnider> nothing?
[02:48] <alexandros_c> nothing
[02:48] <alexandros_c> is that bad?
[02:48] <bjsnider> can you run glxgears?
[02:48] <darkxst> thats just from the grep
[02:48] <alexandros_c> it is running
[02:49] <darkxst> alexandros_c, it is fine
[02:49] <bjsnider> and you're getting 60fps
[02:49] <bjsnider> it's syncing to vblank
[02:49] <alexandros_c> 114.198 fps
[02:49] <bjsnider> ok, you maybe don't have vblank
[02:49] <alexandros_c> is that good?
[02:50] <bjsnider> you're running gnome-shell?
[02:50] <alexandros_c> yes
[02:50] <bjsnider> can you drag a window back and forth across the screen to see if you've got tearing?
[02:51] <alexandros_c> with a bunch of extensions installed
[02:51] <alexandros_c> yes I did and there was no tearing
[02:51] <bjsnider> hm, whatever. anyway, opengl is working
[02:51] <alexandros_c> kool
[02:52] <alexandros_c> are you running ubuntu-gnome?
[02:53] <bjsnider> darkxst, you only have to worry about drivers if you're using a blob. all of the xorg drivers are preinstalled, and they all talk to the system mesa libgl. libgl is redirected through alternatives to the blob's libgl if that is used.
[02:53] <bjsnider> so you can switch graphics cards without making any changes other than rebooting
[02:54] <alexandros_c> yip
[02:55] <bjsnider> unlike windows, where it's a bigger meal than most users can handle
[02:55] <darkxst> bjsnider, right, guess I got momentarily confused, isnt something I do very often (switch cards)
[02:55] <bjsnider> yeah, mostly people switching cards are amd users who are sick of all the b.s.
[02:55] <bjsnider> in true howard beale fashion
[02:56] <darkxst> my amd card is permently disabled ;)
[02:56] <alexandros_c> so you are using intel?
[02:56] <bjsnider> sounds like a good bumper sticker to me
[02:56] <bjsnider> i'm using intel ivb and got no complaints
[02:57] <darkxst> yeh
[02:57] <alexandros_c> bjsnider and darkxst are you'll running ubuntu-gnome
[02:57] <alexandros_c> ?
[02:57] <darkxst> alexandros_c, yes
[02:57] <bjsnider> yeah
[02:58] <alexandros_c> I can't choose between unity and gnome-shell as Like both
[03:03] <alexandros_c> :)
[03:07] <alexandros_c> darkxst and bjsnider thanks for all your help
[20:45] <jessejazza> Is there a mailing list for ubuntu-gnome? If not at present is that intended?