[00:14] I'm hoping it will land this week [00:15] ok, g-s-d is basically blocked on lid close power actions [00:15] (and possible wacom panel issues, which I can't test) [00:18] I was thinking we should have ibus & indicator-keyboard land first and then start testing g-s-d 3.8 === Nix is now known as Guest83820 [00:45] hello, I just changed the gpu in my laptop from ati x1400 tp nvidia go 7900, do I have to reinstall the os? [00:57] jbicha, ok I need to sort the lid close stuff anyway [00:57] alexandros_c, no but you may need to make sure you have the correct X drivers installed [00:58] it should boot up in fallback X [00:59] then you can install nouvaeu or proprietry nvidia driver [01:06] darkxst: do you know where to location the information to do it? Thanks for your response [01:07] alexandros_c, see software & update and then additional drivers tab [01:08] darkxst: thanks once again [01:10] darkxst: it says that I am currently using a Gallium 0.4 on NV49 [01:13] its quite possible that nouveau is already installed, but its also likely that 3D is broken [01:13] so reinstall the os? [01:13] alexandros_c, run `glxinfo | grep -i opengl` [01:13] alexandros_c, no [01:14] check that command, if it says LLVM, then you just need to reinstall the driver [01:16] darkxst: ok thanks, I have to install mesa-utils but I have to wait until the current update is finished [01:16] settings->details might also tell you [01:18] ok under driver it says Gallium 0.4 on NV49 and experience is standard [01:44] ok not sure about that then, just get the glxinfo output [02:14] alexandros_c, how did you change the gpu in a laptop? [02:21] bjsnider: because the ati x1400 was dying on me and causing the cpu using to always be high making the laptop unusable [02:21] no, i didn't ask why [02:21] i asked how [02:21] lol [02:22] you'd have to change the whole board [02:22] the gpu is part of the chipset [02:22] no [02:22] with the dell inspiron 9400 the gpu can be changed [02:23] how? [02:23] all I had to do was open up the laptop and unscrew the old gpu and screw in the new [02:24] ok, so it's an expansion card [02:24] no it has a gpu port on the mobo [02:24] does it also have built-in intel graphics? [02:24] no [02:25] well actually it depends on what model you brought [02:25] were you not able to get a newer nvidia card than that? [02:26] no only certain cards will fit the slot without moding the mobo [02:27] the newer blobs dropped support for hardware prior to the geforce 8 [02:27] so the 304 series is the latest you can use [02:28] or you can use nouveau, whichever works better [02:28] ok thanks, what about 3D acceleration? [02:30] both would provide it, certainly the blob would be superior [02:31] if that's your biggest concern, go with the blob [02:31] what concerns are there? [02:32] will it provide a performance boost? [02:32] nouveau would provide kms and plymouth [02:32] the lbob wouldn't [02:32] nouveau might be faster in 2d situations [02:33] then there's the ethical side if your interested in normative concerns. nouveau is foss [02:38] what about nouveau 3d rendering? [02:38] alexandros_c, like I said you will probably need to re-install the driver to get 3D rendering working [02:39] X can only have a single GL driver installed at once [02:39] that is supported but there are a lot of edge cases where it doesn't work well. and in any case it will not be as fast as the blob [02:39] so just use sudo apt-get install nouveau? [02:40] alexandros_c, you could try 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' [02:40] if he was using radeon before he doesn't have to change anything [02:41] so 3d should be working then? [02:41] you would have to reboot of course [02:42] alexandros_c, glxinfo will tell you if 3D is working [02:43] one more question, I according to systems detail I am using Gallium 0.4 on NV49, why is it saying that if I am using nouveau? [02:43] nouveau uses gallium [02:43] ok [02:46] it uses gallium to provide opengl [02:47] hey I got for vendor noveau, renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV49 version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.3 shading language version 1.20 and nothing for extension [02:48] nothing? [02:48] nothing [02:48] is that bad? [02:48] can you run glxgears? [02:48] thats just from the grep [02:48] it is running [02:49] alexandros_c, it is fine [02:49] and you're getting 60fps [02:49] it's syncing to vblank [02:49] 114.198 fps [02:49] ok, you maybe don't have vblank [02:49] is that good? [02:50] you're running gnome-shell? [02:50] yes [02:50] can you drag a window back and forth across the screen to see if you've got tearing? [02:51] with a bunch of extensions installed [02:51] yes I did and there was no tearing [02:51] hm, whatever. anyway, opengl is working [02:51] kool [02:52] are you running ubuntu-gnome? [02:53] darkxst, you only have to worry about drivers if you're using a blob. all of the xorg drivers are preinstalled, and they all talk to the system mesa libgl. libgl is redirected through alternatives to the blob's libgl if that is used. [02:53] so you can switch graphics cards without making any changes other than rebooting [02:54] yip [02:55] unlike windows, where it's a bigger meal than most users can handle [02:55] bjsnider, right, guess I got momentarily confused, isnt something I do very often (switch cards) [02:55] yeah, mostly people switching cards are amd users who are sick of all the b.s. [02:55] in true howard beale fashion [02:56] my amd card is permently disabled ;) [02:56] so you are using intel? [02:56] sounds like a good bumper sticker to me [02:56] i'm using intel ivb and got no complaints [02:57] yeh [02:57] bjsnider and darkxst are you'll running ubuntu-gnome [02:57] ? [02:57] alexandros_c, yes [02:57] yeah [02:58] I can't choose between unity and gnome-shell as Like both [03:03] :) [03:07] darkxst and bjsnider thanks for all your help === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:45] Is there a mailing list for ubuntu-gnome? If not at present is that intended?