[09:44] <mlankhorst> stgraber: could the MRE for xorg-server be documented on the wiki page? http://www.bryceharrington.org/files/xserver-mre.txt
[09:47] <ScottK> mlankhorst: You can document it, just reference the TB meeting minutes.
[09:51] <mlankhorst> ok
[09:56] <mlankhorst> hm seems someone beat me to it :)
[09:57] <mlankhorst> thanks
[11:14] <xnox> Do I need to get lucky with a panda to have cute build on armhf?
[11:15] <xnox> or was there some tricks (use gcc-4.7?!) that got lost in saucy?
[11:15] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.8.4+dfsg-0ubuntu14/+build/4778311
[12:08] <Laney> Is p-m going to be notified of friends succeeding now?
[12:17] <cjwatson> Laney: it should be
[12:50] <stgraber> mlankhorst: I added it after Sarvatt mentioned it in #ubuntu-meeting yesterday evening
[12:52] <mlankhorst> ah
[13:21] <Laney> cjwatson: Hmm, it's been a few hours now. Context: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#network-manager
[13:25] <cjwatson> I: [Tue Jul  9 13:21:41 2013] - Collected autopkgtest status for friends_0.2.0+13.10.20130708.3-0ubuntu1: PASS
[13:25] <cjwatson> I: [Tue Jul  9 13:21:41 2013] - Collected autopkgtest status for friends_0.2.0+13.10.20130708.2-0ubuntu1: FAIL
[13:26] <cjwatson> jibel: ^- adt-britney appears to be incorrectly preferring the older-versioned result
[13:26] <cjwatson> Hm, wait, maybe that's not your end at fault
[13:27] <cjwatson> jibel: ignore that :)
[13:27]  * ogra_ always wondered why britney was picked as name ... you really expect her to be able to do math ? 
[13:27] <ogra_> :)
[13:28] <cjwatson> I blame ajt
[13:28]  * jibel ignores
[13:28] <Laney> how rude!
[15:06] <gema_> slangasek, cjwatson: I am going to be slightly delayed for our meeting today
[15:07] <gema_> I will ping you whenever I am available (for some reason I cannot reschedule it on the calendar)
[15:10] <ogra_> cjwatson, so since we constantly seem to have broken touch images and there doesnt seem to be any automated testing either, could we probably not automatically populate /current, have them sit in /pending until someone manually triggers them to current ... so we can at least do manual testing
[15:10] <ogra_> (the images get worse every day and nobody seems to catch it atm)
[15:11]  * ogra_ has not much clue how the /pending -> /current migration works atm
[15:11] <ogra_> (and if we could intercept there somehow with not much work)
[15:13] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^^ FYI
[15:14] <cjwatson> Laney: oops, I seem to have broken p-m in my attempts to fix this and not noticed.  fixing
[15:14]  * cjwatson dons the idiot hat
[15:14] <Laney> heh, I didn't notice either :P
[15:15] <cjwatson> ogra_: Sure, on the condition that you use 'mark-current' to update it rather than fiddling with symlinks by hand
[15:18] <ogra_> i'll take a look at "mark-current', np ...
[15:19] <cjwatson> mark-current -p ubuntu-touch -s saucy -t daily-preinstalled -a armhf BUILD-ID
[15:19] <ogra_> yeah, just reading the help here
[15:19] <cjwatson> sorry,  -i daily-preinstalled  not -t
[15:19]  * ogra_ notes down the command
[15:19] <cjwatson> mark-current -p ubuntu-touch -s saucy -i daily-preinstalled -a armhf BUILD-ID
[15:19] <ogra_> yep
[15:22] <slangasek> gema_: ack, thanks for the heads-up
[15:23] <cjwatson> Laney: fixed, I *think*, although oddly it seems to have forgotten about friends being caused by network-manager
[15:23] <cjwatson> other tests look right though
[15:24] <cjwatson> ah, maybe the later friends wasn't caused by network-manager
[15:24] <Laney> Likely, but its previous failure was blocking n-m
[15:24] <cjwatson> so I guess that was a bit wrong, I should have aggregated the causes but taken the latest status
[15:24] <Laney> so I'd have thought it should take any newer results that come in
[15:26] <cjwatson> done that now, though it's too late to see it in action for n-m
[15:26] <Laney> Hrm, gtk+3.0 went in too - that was being blocked by software-center
[15:26] <cjwatson> sorry :(
[15:27] <cjwatson> future runs should be saner
[15:27] <Laney> Ah well
[15:27] <Laney> I'll still finish making that pass
[15:27] <Laney> per upstream's definition of fixing ...
[15:28] <cjwatson> ogra_: I've marked ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/armhf as trigger-controlled, even though there isn't a jenkins trigger set up for it yet; "triggering" it manually will be just as good
[15:28] <ogra_> thanks !
[15:28] <ogra_> that will helpo a lot
[15:28] <cjwatson> I hope that takes the heat off you from Rick :)
[15:29] <ogra_> yeah, me too
[15:29] <ogra_> first we need a working image again :)
[15:29] <cjwatson> although his point that batching up technical debt is costly remains valid
[15:29] <ogra_> unity kind of comes up empty today
[15:30] <ogra_> oh, be assured, if i have to do the testing for more than two weeks i'll ask for the QA teams salary being added to mine :P
[15:31] <ogra_> i admire everyones aim for perfection but after all we need to kind of get *something* to work even if its not perfect
[15:32] <infinity> Perfection isn't possible in software.  Striving for correctness is still a sane thing, though.
[15:33] <infinity> (Not that I know which tech debt we're referring to here, but "temporary hacks" have a habit of living on for years, so we're probably better off putting the time in to do it right the first time)
[15:33] <ogra_> infinity, ture, but something is still more than nothing (and blocking the world)