InHisNameHowdy jthan04:08
teddy-dbearMorning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else12:20
JonathanDHi teddy-dbear12:21
InHisNamehowdy all12:24
JonathanDhey InHisName12:27
JonathanDhi ChinnoDog14:04
ChinnoDogWhat's up?14:05
JonathanDI'm scheduling the fosscon talks :)14:06
MutantTurkeyI'm trying to think of a moreutils like tool to write14:18
MutantTurkeyI was thinking a vertical diff could be cool14:18
MutantTurkeydiff by column not line14:19
MutantTurkeyI'm thinking of starting a pc repair business on the side16:36
ChinnoDogBetter create a formal price structure16:53
patbarronI won't touch anyone else's PC's anymore, even for pay.  Because anything that goes wrong with that PC in the future, no matter what it is, the person always thinks that it's because of something I did to the machine and wants me to fix it (for free...)16:57
ChinnoDogYea, that is the business. lol.16:58
ChinnoDogIf you are going to fix someone's PC then you are on the hook for everything else that happens to it.16:58
pleia2I think the only way it actually can make you money is if you enjoy it and don't value your time for other htings16:58
pleia2it's not actually a good business model16:59
ChinnoDogI disagree that you can't make money at it. If you set expectations I think you can make money.16:59
ChinnoDogPeople can't expect to use your time for free though.16:59
MutantTurkeyI think a lot of poeple make great money with it16:59
MutantTurkeythats why you set the standard16:59
MutantTurkeyyou clearly charge XYZ and that's that.16:59
pleia2well sure, if you charge $150 per visit like best buy does ;)16:59
MutantTurkeydon't get conned into repairs for free, because then they keep expecting16:59
MutantTurkeypleia2: or you undercut them and steal the market.16:59
pleia2I don't even know why I bother17:00
ChinnoDogMutantTurkey, you are selling your time. Undercutting the others isn't necessarily the best strategy.17:00
pleia2MutantTurkey: it's kind of a cliche for a young technical person to decide to get into computer repair, I'm sure we've all done it, had your identical ideas, and failed miserably17:00
ChinnoDogYou are already better than the alternative by virtue of having a name and a number they can call you at.17:00
MutantTurkeyChinnoDog: sure, you need to figure out what works for you, but I think it's not hard to undercut something like best buy17:01
MutantTurkeywith terrible service, slow response times, and bad results at a high cost17:01
MutantTurkeypleia2: I guess, maybe because it's a good thing to make some money on the side?17:01
MutantTurkeyI see a lot of non-technical people who need basic help, hell even being a consultant would be cool, because technical people might need help too17:02
ChinnoDogMutantTurkey, you have no idea what you are getting into. If you want more suggestions from me out of my experience though I am happy to provide them.17:02
MutantTurkeyChinnoDog: what sort of services did you provide?17:02
pleia2good luck17:02
MutantTurkeybusinesses or individuals?17:02
patbarronOne of the problems with a defined rate structure, is that (especially with non-technical folks), most of their problems don't/won't fit into neat little boxes...17:04
patbarronThe last time I touched someone's PC, it was a non-tech who wanted help getting Norton Antivirus on his machine, because he couldn't cope with "put the CD in and follow the instructions"...17:05
ChinnoDogYea, there is that problem too.17:05
patbarronA week later, he calls me up, all upset - "Ever since you put that Norton on my machine, my printer doesn't print anymore!"17:05
patbarronSo I go over there and take a look at it.  Out of ink...17:06
JonathanDpatbarron: his telephone sounds kind of staticy too, obviously related to norton.17:06
patbarronThat's the sort of stuff I used to get all the time...  I just couldn't stand it anymore...17:06
JonathanDI have a couple people I will do work for (for pay)17:06
JonathanDit's a rather short list.17:07
JonathanDAnd one business, but he pays well and is very flexible.17:07
JonathanDthats more planning and purchasing than anything, though.17:07
JonathanDnot PC repair.17:08
JonathanDPC repair is generally awful :)17:08
ChinnoDogI know someone that did pretty well at it. He networked through his friend's families and eventually became the go-to computer guy for everyone that knew him.17:08
JonathanDMutantTurkey: heres the thing.17:09
* MutantTurkey is listening17:09
JonathanDNearly every single person you meet anywhere has something wrong with their PC.17:09
JonathanDMost just don't care :)17:10
JonathanDat least, not until it becomes unusable.17:10
MutantTurkeyhell even I do...17:10
JonathanDMost of us do.17:10
JonathanDThat script that doesn't work quite right, but isn't bad enough to fix17:10
MutantTurkeypiles of unmaintanable code not worth looking at17:10
MutantTurkeywho the hell knows OCaml? not me17:11
JonathanDIt would not suprise me if everyone in this channel has at least one thing that doesn't work right, but works well enough not to fix.17:11
JonathanDThat ends up being the kind of stuff people will call you for.17:11
JonathanDThey want to do X with Y.17:11
JonathanDYou tell them Y can't do X.17:12
JonathanDThey want it anyway.17:12
JonathanDEventually you leave, 3 months later they bring it up again.17:12
JonathanDAt least, thats what I always found when I did this stuff.17:12
JonathanDI don't know if being the go-to computer guy for everyone you know is actually desirable.17:13
JonathanDYou want to choose your customers.17:13
patbarronI kind of (purposely) priced myself out of the market.  Eventually, started telling people - "$75/hr, billing based on actual time spent, minimum 2 hour charge per incident."  If someone really wants me in particular, bad enough to pay what I ask ... we'll talk.17:14
MutantTurkeybut how do you pick?17:14
ChinnoDogEveryone knew that if they asked him a question though it was going ot cost money17:15
ChinnoDogMeaning, any work he did would cost money17:15
JonathanDMutantTurkey: well, kinda like what patbarron just said, you set certain expectations.17:15
MutantTurkeyso what's the problem ChinnoDog ?17:15
MutantTurkeywhat I am hearing: make it clear so that the customer gets what you exactly say and expects what you say17:15
MutantTurkeythat is why I think doing small businesses could potentially be better17:16
MutantTurkeybut possibly not17:16
patbarronAnd also, make sure the customer understands that if you didn't agree to it explicitly, it's not included...17:16
MutantTurkeysure, i feel like i need to be a lawyer first :p17:17
ChinnoDogMutantTurkey: It isn't a problem so long as your customers are respectful of your time.17:17
MutantTurkeythen again working as a underling in Acedamia there isn't a lot of that either17:18
MutantTurkeyright waltman?17:18
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waltmantime has no meaning in academia17:20
waltmanMutantTurkey: is this because Cricket wants you to fix her computer? :)17:22
MutantTurkeymore like fix the servers she keeps crashing...!17:23
waltmansysadmin sounds like a better careerpath than computer fixer17:24
ChinnoDogComputer repair business owner sounds like a better career path than sysadmin.17:27
ChinnoDogEspecially if you sit in your office and chat on IRC all day while your minions fix computers.17:28
MutantTurkeyChinnoDog: true17:28
jedijfisn't the new price point getting too low. general public will replace rather than repair17:35
jedijfhen i grab off curb with plans to refurbish.....and never get to it17:48
ChinnoDogThat is true too but they still need help getting their old data to the new system and helping them get rid of the old one could have a return.17:52
ChinnoDogHelping them select a new system can also be a paid activity.17:55
bts3685my $0.02: sysadmin > pc tech19:47
bts3685any schmuck can get an A+ cert and say they're qualified. the real money- and what you'll want to pursue- is asterisk. learn that and you'll have to turn down offers because you'll have so many clients19:50
* bts3685 has had to do that19:50
bts3685VoIP is something nobody has time to learn but everybody (in the corporate world) wants19:51

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