[03:53] <OvenWerks> zequence: I just checked, setting does not depend on -icon-theme. I think it should. I can fix, but would like to make sure you don't disagree :)
[03:53] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, +1
[03:53] <OvenWerks> g'morning
[03:53] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, good morning
[03:55] <OvenWerks> zequence wrote to me while I was working, now he is sleeping :)
[04:15] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, LOL
[08:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: No, it's fine that it doesn't depend on it
[08:03] <zequence> OvenWerks: We just need to add that as a dependency if we minimize our desktop meta to depend on xubuntu-desktop ubuntustudio-default-settings
[08:05] <zequence> ..and ubuntustudio-menu (once it's available)
[08:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, so, since you made the kernel maintenance page available, can I try Bug 1199252?;P
[08:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: no, sorry. It requires for you to have a signed gpg key, which UKT can accept
[08:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, heh meh
[08:17] <zequence> kernels are a little different from other packages :P
[08:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, wait, UKT or CKT?
[08:17] <zequence> Ubuntu Kernel Team
[08:17] <zequence> ah, yeah
[08:17] <zequence> Canonical Kernel Team, or whatever
[08:17]  * smartboyhw points zequence to his Launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[08:18] <smartboyhw> zequence,  in my profile page: Ubuntu Kernel Team Joined on 2013-06-18  (LOL)
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Jesus, I got 8605 karma !!!
[08:19]  * smartboyhw exceeds zequence in karma yay
[08:19] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[08:20] <zequence> it's not a comptetition, and frankly, why are you a member of so many teams? Do you interact with all of them?
[08:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, sometimes
[08:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, well at least the karma I earned mainly from is good
[08:26] <smartboyhw> (a.k.a. packaging)
[08:27] <zequence> smartboyhw: you joined ubuntu-kernel-team manually?
[08:37] <zequence> smartboyhw: that team doesn't have any special privileges, and being a member of it doesn't necessarily mean you are in a "kernel team", as a developer.
[08:38] <zequence> smartboyhw: I can't let you maintain the kernel. It's a long term commitment, and it would require for me to meet you in person so I can sign your gpg key.
[08:38] <zequence> you are always free to test the process in a PPA, and even do changes to the kernel, if you want to learn more about doing that
[08:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, what would have happened if you started maintaining it in saucy and there's no UDS?:P
[08:39] <smartboyhw> Just imagining
[08:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: I would have needed to meet someone in Sweden, such as David H
[08:39] <zequence> ..who works for Canonical
[08:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, hell. There's a Hongkonger who works for Canonical, but he's in Beijing now;P
[08:41] <zequence> I'm probably meeting a few people in Switzerland again in August
[08:42] <zequence> during DebConf13
[08:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, you're lucky that you can attend these things
[08:43] <smartboyhw> I missed this year's KDE Akademy due to study tour
[08:43] <smartboyhw> *will be missing
[08:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm 35, you're 15. You have time, don't worry ;)
[08:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, ;) 
[08:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, I got my report sheet today
[08:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: is that about your school work?
[08:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[08:46] <smartboyhw> Break a few self records
[08:46] <smartboyhw> Rank: 6 in form (out of 187)
[08:46] <smartboyhw> Conduct Grade: A (FOR THE FIRST TIME)
[08:46] <smartboyhw> And I got a generally improvement award (LOL)
[08:47] <smartboyhw> And I got a subject prize for the second term in Computer Literacy (that happens every year)
[08:47] <smartboyhw> FIrst;P
[08:48] <zequence> that's good. you have a good brain for school
[08:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, 6 is my career high at Secondary school
[08:50] <smartboyhw> 13 -> 21 -> 36 (career low) -> 19 -> 6 -> 6 (That's why I got *general improvement* LOL)
[08:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, and now due to my rank my parents don't need to pay school fees at Form 4!
[08:54] <zequence> paying for school kind of sucks
[08:56] <zequence> glad you're doing so well
[09:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, I thought of one thing: Ubuntu contributions increases my rank!:P
[09:22] <zequence> what rank?
[09:23] <zequence> in school?
[09:26] <zequence> It might be worth something when applying for educations or jobs later on, depending on how the people approving you value work on Ubuntu
[09:28] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm putting the menu and the icons to our development PPA
[09:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: source for the icon theme?
[09:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[13:01] <OvenWerks> zequence: the -icon-theme src in my PPA is now old. Mish has done more work yet.
[13:03] <OvenWerks> I am surprised that settings would not depend on the icon-theme. How can you set a DE to use something (have a setting that points at) you don't depend on? 
[13:04] <OvenWerks> However, so long as there is something that does depend on it (the xfce desktop does right now).
[13:04] <OvenWerks> I guess that would be our desktop.
[13:14] <OvenWerks> zequence: So I am guessing the idea is to have a much trimmed down desktop meta/seed that includes the xubuntu desktop?
[16:24] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm just playing with that idea right now, but if our aim is to keep in sync with Xubuntu, and it's easy enough just to do things this way, then why not
[16:24] <zequence> OvenWerks: I mean like the bzr source for the icons
[16:25] <zequence> you haven't done any changes to it since January something?
[18:58] <zequence> OvenWerks: Never mind about the icon theme. I'm on top of it now :)
[18:59] <Mish> zequence: You're on top of it?
[19:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: Mish's changes are all a lot more recent than that, but I have not yet merged any of them in pending revue by art lead and Mish being finished.
[20:27] <zequence> Mish: Just about which source is which. Nothing about the icons themselves
[20:28] <zequence> Mish: madeinkobaia may be a bit abscent currently, and so I don't know how much feedback we will get from him. Are you in touch with him about the icons?
[20:28] <Mish> in touch other than with mailing list/IRC, no
[20:29] <Mish> I mean I haven't emailed him personally yet
[20:29] <zequence> Mish: What is the origin of these icons? Did you create them from scratch?
[20:29] <Mish> Yes from scratch
[20:30] <zequence> Ok, just asking. Some images look classic enough to look like you've seen them before :)
[20:30] <zequence> Mish: Would you be interested in making a colored version of them?
[20:31] <Mish> Well objects depicted are iconic of that particular thing
[20:31] <Mish> Like Headphones for audio, shutters for photography, paintbrush for graphics etc
[20:32] <zequence> Yes, and I think it's a good thing that you can easily identify them.
[20:32] <zequence> If adding colors, one idea I could bring to the table is using one color for each
[20:32] <Mish> About coloured version, yes I can work on them, but first I'll have to figure out how to adapt to a coloured version
[20:33] <zequence> Or, having one color being the main color of each, if you know what I mean
[20:33] <Mish> I mean when I initally made them, all I had in my mind was a classic monochrome scheme
[20:33] <Mish> Yes I understand
[20:33] <zequence> Sort of like the different slides you see on our website. Each workflow has a different color
[20:34] <zequence> When you see them all together, you'll easily be able to identify which is audio, video, graphics, just by the color
[20:34] <Mish> Yes that'd be good
[20:34] <zequence> And it might be interesting to think about which colors go best with which workflow too
[20:35] <Mish> um where exactly on the website do we have those colours? When yous said slide show, I thought you were talking about the feature tour 
[20:35] <zequence> The slides on our website could be an inspiration perhaps, but they are not well thought out. I did some of them myself, which you can spot by noticing the bad quality of some of them :) (I used gimp to alter the color of the first slide)
[20:35] <Mish> because then we could match those colours, to make it consistent
[20:36] <zequence> They are on the home page. It's the slides where the first one says "Welcome to Ubuntu Studio "
[20:36] <Mish> Ah ok understood
[20:37] <zequence> They aren't consistent. Both audio and video are blue
[20:37] <zequence> Photography is quite red, and publishing green
[20:37] <Mish> That actually looks reallly good
[20:37] <Mish> I never paid attention before XD
[20:38] <Mish> but then I don't visit the site very often
[20:38] <Mish> yes photography red is a bit strong but otherwise it's great
[20:38] <Mish> and I like the green one, but may be a little biased
[20:39] <zequence> The quality is more in how the color is contrasted. If you compare with the first slide, you'll notice a very different quality in contrast
[20:39] <zequence> This is because the first one is probably made in Inkscape originally, and the red and green I did in Gimp, using the png image
[20:40] <zequence> You can clearly see lines between lighter green and darker green, for example
[20:41] <Mish> Which is not a bad thing :D
[20:41] <zequence> Well, if I had done the green and red with inkskape, using the original project, the contrast would have been smooth
[20:41] <zequence> no lines
[20:41] <Mish> banding gradients are used aesthetically in lots of places
[20:43] <zequence> I could imagine audio being red, like the record button. Also, publishing could be green. There's a bit of room to play around with these colors I think. 
[20:43] <Mish> and you can produce smooth gradients in GIMP as well :D
[20:43] <zequence> I mean, publishing could be yellow (like paper or something)
[20:44] <zequence> Just an idea, about the colors. But I think it would be good both aesthetically, as well as functionally
[20:44] <Mish> Once we do decide on a colour for each of the five menus, do the submenus in audio have to have something as well?
[20:45] <Mish> And by coloured version do you mean icons maintaining the flat look but having a colour scheme different than plain B?W, or do you mean traditional icons with shading?
[20:45] <zequence> Sure. And I don't think you can create a perfect logic for the colors so easily. I think it's enough if some are somehow logical, and the others just fill out the other possible colors
[20:48] <zequence> Mish: I think it's hard to say about flat vs shaded. If the icons stand out very much (which they will if the icon theme is very different anyway), that may just enhance the experience of those belonging to Ubuntu Studio, and that doesn't need to be a bad thing
[20:49] <OvenWerks> +1
[20:49] <zequence> by icon theme, I mean the icon theme chosen by the user, whether it is default or not
[20:50] <zequence> but I think I prefer colored over black and white. That's my position at this time anyway
[20:51] <OvenWerks> But two colour (black and colour or white and colour) is still a similar style.
[20:53] <Mish> zequence : So flat icons with different colours?
[20:55] <OvenWerks> I was thinking colour with clear, but depending on the BG the Icon could vanish.
[20:55] <OvenWerks> Have you seen the libreoffice icons?
[20:56] <zequence> Mish: If that is what you'd prefer, I'm willing to see how that works. I can't really tell until I see the result :)
[20:57] <Mish> OverWerks: The ACYL icon theme has a python script to change the colour of the icons to prevent that thing, and I don't know but other icons sets might also using such scripts
[20:58] <Mish> zequence: Alright, I'll prepare some test icons and then post them on the mailing list 
[20:58] <OvenWerks> zequence: I would also like to incorperate these icons into the menu package. They would end up in hicolor in case the user chose another icon theme besides ubuntustudio.
[20:59] <OvenWerks> They do not have to be the saem as our icon theme, but nicer than mine would still be nice.
[21:00] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yes, I was under the impression that these icons were specific for the menu, so I suppose that would make sense. Since the ubuntustudio-menu is not a standard one, either the icons need to be fetched from existing standards, or custom made
[21:00] <zequence> and my understanding is that we're working towards custom icons for the custom Ubuntu Studio menu entries
[21:04] <zequence> OvenWerks: the menu is now auto built to this PPA each day https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/devel
[21:04] <zequence> I added a recipe for it earlier today
[21:10] <OvenWerks> zequence: Ok, when we have a better idea what ones we will use I will drop them in.
[21:24] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm behind you on adding icons to it right now, so whenever you want to. We'll wait with uploading until we feel it's ready for public testing, and then of course, we have until feature freeze to decide on the details
[21:50] <OvenWerks> zequence: the menu package already has icons in it. But they are mostly my old artwork.