[00:38] <roasted> hello friends
[00:38] <roasted> having a surprisingly good experience @ 13.10 alpha
[00:38] <roasted> 3.10 kernel is pure <3
[00:39] <darkxst> pointer barriers too ;)
[00:39] <roasted> pointer barriers... for dual monitor setups?
[00:39] <darkxst> well pressure ones
[00:39] <darkxst> for message tray and activities
[00:39] <roasted> er, I didn't think that was in 13.10 yet due to 1.13 xorg?
[00:39] <roasted> I thought that was a 1.14 xorg feature?
[00:39] <darkxst> 1.14 has landed
[00:40] <roasted> oh nice
[00:40] <roasted> I simply edited my messageTray.js to something far less obnoxious than a 1000ms delay time.
[00:40] <roasted> how many devs are on the UbuGnome team?
[00:42] <darkxst> only a few
[00:43] <roasted> well you guys do a good job
[00:43] <roasted> that's for dang sure
[00:43] <roasted> I admittedly keep bouncing between Ubuntu GNOME and Fedora, but I'm just not seeing what I'm gaining by going to Fedora. Ubuntu GNOME has all I need.
[00:43] <roasted> at least, 13.10 will. the 3.10 kernel fixes some issues I was having on this particular laptop (so far, it seems)
[03:00] <mkeer> Hey... I was logging out from Ubuntu Gnome and it was taking a very long time (at least 5 minutes)
[03:01] <mkeer> I ended up turning my computer off
[03:01] <mkeer> and now I see Failed to load session "gnome"
[03:01] <mkeer> so I can only use the command line...
[03:01] <mkeer> any idea what is wrong?
[03:34] <bjsnider> mkeer, you're at the console?
[03:36] <mkeer> not right now
[03:36] <mkeer> (I logged on my windows computer)
[03:36] <mkeer> but I can access the console if I reboot...
[03:37] <bjsnider> well, if you're looking for a quick, one-word answer to what's wrong, there isn't one
[03:37] <mkeer> hmm, more precisely I have both Windows and Ubuntu on the same computer, but im on windows right now
[03:37] <mkeer> do you think just doing sudo apt-get install gnome
[03:37] <mkeer> would help?
[03:38] <mkeer> or like, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell or whatever its called
[03:38] <bjsnider> you have provided no background at all, so i can't say what would help
[03:38] <bjsnider> there are logs you can investigate
[03:39] <bjsnider> the package is ubuntu-gnome-desktop, not gnome
[03:40] <mkeer> ok, what logs can i look at?
[03:41] <jbicha> mkeer: which version of Ubuntu GNOME are you running?
[03:43] <bjsnider> do you know which display manager you're using, ie. lightdm or gdm?
[03:49] <mkeer> gdm
[03:49] <mkeer> Ubuntu GNOME 13.04
[03:49] <bjsnider> yeah, so the log is  ~/.cache/gdm/session.log
[03:49] <bjsnider> you might get some good info out of that
[03:50] <mkeer> ok ill check it out
[03:50] <mkeer> ty
[04:00] <mkeer> gnome-session[2285]: WARNING: Session 'gnome' runnable check failed: Child process exited with code 1
[04:00] <mkeer> doesn't seem very helpful
[04:03] <roasted> \
[04:04] <roasted> oops
[04:12] <mkeer> doing a sudo apt-get install gnome
[04:12] <mkeer> hopefully it will help....
[04:13] <roasted> mkeer: he just said gnome isn't what you want.
[04:13] <mkeer> i did try sudo apt-get ubuntu-gnome-desktop and it didnt help
[04:14] <roasted> what about reinstalling it? (bjsnider jump in if I'm wrong). Something like, sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[04:17] <mkeer> ok... so the situation is a bit better... However, I see 2 tabs on the top
[04:17] <mkeer> Applications and Places
[04:17] <mkeer> which is not quite what I want
[04:18] <roasted> sounds like classic mode, I believe
[04:18] <mkeer> yes
[04:19] <jbicha> mkeer: what ppas do you use?
[04:19] <mkeer> no idea
[04:19] <jbicha> it sounds like a graphics driver issue
[04:19] <mkeer> Well, I dont know what ppas are
[04:20] <jbicha> oh don't worry about it, PPAs allow installing extra software that aren't in the Ubuntu repositories but that can cause problems sometimes
[04:20] <mkeer> I mostly just installed development stuff... python, eclipse,...
[04:20] <mkeer> not very much crazy stuff
[04:21] <mkeer> mostly stuff with installed with apt-get and python libraries...
[04:21] <jbicha> that should be fine
[04:22] <mkeer> do you think the fact that I did sudo apt-get install gnome caused this problem?
[04:22] <roasted> what GPU do you have mkeer
[04:22] <mkeer> Nvidia NVS 160m
[04:22] <mkeer> I installed the drivers from the NVIDIA website
[04:23] <jbicha> mkeer: that might be your problem
[04:24] <roasted> yeah....
[04:24] <roasted> I never install GPU drivers from their site. I always get them from the drivers menu or repos of whatever distro I'm using.
[04:24] <mkeer> but everything was working fine at first
[04:24] <jbicha> until you rebooted?
[04:24] <mkeer> well, I logged off and the system seemed to hang
[04:25] <jbicha> the new driver doesn't activate until you log off
[04:25] <mkeer> its possible that it was installing updates or something, but it didnt tell me so
[04:26] <mkeer> so should I be using the Nouveau drivers or...?
[04:34] <mkeer> ok, im looking at some guide for installing nvidia drivers
[04:39] <mkeer> Beautiful
[04:39] <mkeer> Thank you very much to both of you
[04:40] <mkeer> Blah... very many graphical glitches however
[04:40] <mkeer> screen turning partially black...
[04:48] <jbicha> basically I'd recommend figuring out how to uninstall the nvidia drivers you downloaded from their website, reboot and then use the final tab of the Software & Updates tool to try the available packaged drivers if you like
[04:50] <mkeer> Do you recommend lightdm vs gdm?
[04:52] <jbicha> there's not much difference but gdm has better integration with GNOME Shell (pretty lock screen)
[04:56] <mkeer> my cpu jumps to 30% usage just my moving the system monitor window
[04:56] <mkeer> nothing else is running
[04:56] <mkeer> not normal, right?
[04:56] <mkeer> My CPU is a T9600... quite old, but still 2.8ghz or so
[05:02] <jbicha> if you don't have working 3D acceleration from your graphics driver/card, GNOME Shell falls back to using CPU acceleration
[05:08] <mkeer> do you work for ubuntu gnome?
[05:08] <mkeer> (or contribute)
[05:09] <jbicha> yes, it's a volunteer project and I'm a volunteer
[05:14] <mkeer> im surprised by how linux distributions maintain consistency despite having people working from all over the world
[06:49] <namela> ubuntu -gnome say me that : 'can`t load session 'gnome'
[06:49] <namela> what can i do '? because i install this so yesterday...
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[18:18] <vramana> Hello After reading this article http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/lubuntu-kubuntu-decide-against-mir-switch. I have waited for long time for some official announcement from Ubuntu GNOME But I haven't seen any. Can anybody what will happen to Ubuntu Gnome in future??
[19:05] <jbicha> vramana: there isn't anything really to announce at this point
[19:07] <vramana> Oh okay.
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[20:08] <bjsnider> at some point, it's going to be wayland
[20:08] <bjsnider> whent hey're finished developing it in 48 years
[20:18] <vramana> bjsnider: Gnome 3.12 aims to use wayland by default.
[20:19] <vramana> It's release is around March 2014
[20:19] <vramana> So may be I can expect Ubuntu Gnome to use wayland on 14.10 I guss
[20:19] <vramana> *guedd
[20:20] <vramana> *guess
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