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apw | xnox, grouper with avahi really? | 07:24 |
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smb | morning .* | 07:34 |
apw | smb, moin | 07:39 |
smb | apw, Today's S at least lets you change time+date and privacy settings... win. :) | 07:48 |
apw | smb, sounds like a big improvement :) | 07:49 |
smb | Absolutely. I won't turn mad being in a different tz than my installation is. :-P | 07:50 |
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RAOF | Does anyone else find their kernel hanging processes in schedule() for minutes at a time? | 10:05 |
RAOF | Ah. Probably not, because no one's crazy enough to btrfs. | 10:35 |
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* henrix_ -> really late lunch | 13:52 | |
apw | rtg, turns out it is linux-signed skew ... cause i cannot make one of those to match ... arrgle | 13:54 |
rtg | apw, hmm, gotta love that. how come there is skew ? | 13:55 |
apw | cause i am making a test kernel, and i cannot make a real signed one, ever | 13:56 |
rtg | ah, doh! does it work OK with an archive kernel ? | 13:56 |
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henrix | rtg: bjf: the EFI patchset is now queued for 3.5.y. i'll probably be sending it out for review tomorrow or friday, so early next week i should have a release with them | 14:19 |
rtg | henrix, ack | 14:19 |
bjf | henrix, ack, sounds good | 14:19 |
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ppisati | bjf: no more -proposed for SRU kernels, just series name, right? (e.g. precise instead of precise-proposed) | 14:40 |
bjf | ppisati, correct | 14:40 |
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ppisati | bjf: and, did you do any modification to kteam-tools/maintscripts/verify-release-ready? | 14:41 |
bjf | ppisati, it should be fixed so that it doesn't require -proposed any longer | 14:42 |
ppisati | bjf: but it complains here in another way | 14:42 |
ppisati | bjf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5861831/ | 14:42 |
bjf | ppisati, seems pretty obvious from that error message what your problem is :-) | 14:44 |
ppisati | bjf: "Error: n"? :) | 14:44 |
bjf | ppisati, which kernel are you working on ? | 14:45 |
ppisati | bjf: i'm rebasing lucid/omap4 on top of lucid/master | 14:45 |
bjf | ack | 14:46 |
bjf | ppisati, when was the last time you worked on that? | 14:51 |
ppisati | bjf: last release | 14:51 |
ppisati | bjf: ~two weeks ago | 14:51 |
bjf | not lucid | 14:51 |
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ppisati | bjf: sorry, i meant precise | 14:51 |
bjf | ppisati, it "just works" for me | 14:55 |
ppisati | bjf: let me try again | 14:56 |
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* apw has to run and do some family bits in about 5 m ... laters | 15:35 | |
rtg | ppisati, are you building bootable kernels for armhf with saucy gcc-4.8 ? None of the nexus kernels are being built with gcc-4.8 | 15:49 |
ppisati | rtg: actually i had problems yesterday with a kernel not booting, but i thought it was my mistake in the .config since i was compiling vanilla | 15:50 |
rtg | ppisati, perhaps you should step back to gcc-4.7 ? | 15:51 |
ppisati | rtg: i can give it a try | 15:51 |
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zequence | apw: reminder about -lowlatency :) | 16:16 |
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ppisati | rtg: you are right, same kernel src&.config | 16:34 |
ppisati | rtg: with 4.7 it boots, with 4.8 it hangs | 16:35 |
rtg | ppisati, works with 4.7 ? | 16:35 |
rtg | OK | 16:35 |
ppisati | rtg: yep | 16:35 |
ppisati | rtg: but my 4.7 was armel | 16:35 |
ppisati | [ 0.000000] Linux version 3.6.11 (flag@luxor) (gcc version 4.7.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.3-1ubuntu1) ) #21 SMP Wed Jul 10 18:15:43 CEST 2013 | 16:35 |
ppisati | this is what i have: | 16:36 |
ppisati | [flag@luxor linux-2.6]$ dpkg -l | grep gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi | 16:36 |
ppisati | ii gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi 4:4.7.2-1 amd64 The GNU C compiler for armel architecture | 16:36 |
ppisati | ii gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf 4:4.8.1-1 amd64 The GNU C compiler for armhf architecture | 16:36 |
rtg | ppisati, can you build with 4.7 armhf ? do you have the right HW ? | 16:37 |
ppisati | rtg: if i can find the toolchain, yes | 16:37 |
rtg | I'm pretty sure there is a 4.7 armhf in saucy | 16:38 |
ppisati | funny | 16:38 |
ppisati | [flag@luxor linux-2.6]$ which arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 16:39 |
ppisati | /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 16:39 |
ppisati | [flag@luxor linux-2.6]$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 16:39 |
ppisati | gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 16:39 |
ppisati | [flag@luxor linux-2.6]$ arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v | 16:39 |
ppisati | ... | 16:39 |
ppisati | gcc version 4.7.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.3-1ubuntu1) | 16:39 |
ppisati | 4.7.3 gcc in a 4.7.2-1 gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi package | 16:39 |
hallyn | apw: GAH! middle of a git bisect upstream between 3.7 and 3.8, it suddenly dumped into a 3.1 version. <rage> | 16:40 |
* hallyn looks at git bisect log and tries to restart with last known good+bad | 16:41 | |
rtg | ppisati, so, does that mean the 4.7 cross compiler is not a hard float compiler ? does it matter for the kernel if its armel or armhf ? | 16:45 |
ppisati | rtg: IIRC we are still using armel on mobile | 16:45 |
ppisati | ogra_: ^ | 16:45 |
ogra_ | ? | 16:45 |
ogra_ | the armel builds live in their own universe | 16:46 |
ogra_ | (and use a bionic toolchain) | 16:46 |
ogra_ | i dont think we have any glibc armel cross compiler anymore | 16:46 |
ogra_ | (there is gcc-arm-linux-androideabi, but thats not something anyone should use) | 16:48 |
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BenC | apw, rtg: This config check is failing on powerpc saucy 3.10.0 | 17:06 |
BenC | check-config: FAIL: (arch armel armhf &/ value CONFIG_GPIO_TWL4030 y) | value CONFIG_GPIO_TWL4030 m | !exists CONFIG_GPIO_TWL4030 | 17:06 |
rtg | BenC, I wonder why ? that option shouldn't even exist for ppc, does it ? | 17:08 |
BenC | I've set CONFIG_GPIO_TWL4030=m to get around it, but it appears to be faulty nonetheless | 17:08 |
BenC | Setting it to y/n gives the check failure though | 17:09 |
rtg | BenC, right. start a bug and assign apw to it. the config checker uses a completely (to me) inscrutable language. | 17:09 |
BenC | rtg: It prompts for all four flavours, but I wanted to set it to "is not set" | 17:10 |
BenC | config checker is black magic that I fail to comprehend as well | 17:10 |
rtg | BenC, you could always just patch that line out of the config checker. its not like it changes that much. | 17:10 |
BenC | I'm perfectly happy not having to touch the enforce file, even if it means having a useless module enabled :) | 17:11 |
rtg | yeah, it wouldn't ever get insmod'd anyways | 17:11 |
xnox | ogra_: i believe we have all three cross-toolchains. | 17:11 |
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ogra_ | xnox, i belive armel was dropped for arm64 | 17:12 |
ogra_ | (there might be a toolcahin, but i think there is no gcc for it anymore) | 17:12 |
xnox | ogra_: right there is no 4.8 armel cross. | 17:12 |
xnox | rtg: ppisati: ogra_: i believe that kernels for mobile are compiled natively using armhf toolchain, android userspace is compiled using armel-v5-bionic based toolchain. We have armel/armhf/arm64 4.7 cross compilers in saucy, and 4.8 armhf/arm64 | 17:14 |
xnox | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.7-armel-cross | 17:14 |
xnox | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.7-armhf-cross | 17:14 |
xnox | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.7-arm64-cross | 17:14 |
xnox | ... and matching for 4.8 | 17:15 |
xnox | for mobile we are sticking with 4.7 for now, as kernels fail to boot / userspace gets borked with 4.8. | 17:15 |
ogra_ | yeah | 17:15 |
rtg | xnox, the native gcc-4.8 armhf compiler does not produce a bootable kernel for any of the Nexus devices. | 17:15 |
xnox | rtg: correct. so 4.7 one is used instead. | 17:16 |
rtg | xnox, actually, we use 4.6 on at least one device | 17:16 |
xnox | /o\ | 17:16 |
xnox | rtg: it's a shame.... | 17:16 |
rtg | xnox, are we just gonna end up ignoring the fact that 4.8 is broken for this dev cycle ? | 17:17 |
xnox | rtg: android open source project / cynogenmod / linaro should first make a toolchain & bring up bootable kernels with gcc-4.8. Until that happens, there is no intension to invest any engineering effort in doing this bring up. | 17:18 |
xnox | rtg: linaro is supposedly working on 4.8 bring up, but they are still default to gcc4.7 across the board for "stable" stuff. | 17:19 |
rtg | xnox, ppisati has pointed out that we can't use it for the distro kernels either. | 17:19 |
rtg | distro armhf kernels* | 17:19 |
xnox | rtg: well.... all of our distro armhf kernels are at various stages of decay. Is any one of those flavours at the same major version as amd64/i386 kernels? | 17:20 |
rtg | xnox, of course. the omap series, vexpress, and some others. mostly those that use device tree blobs | 17:21 |
xnox | rtg: "ignoring the fact that 4.8 is broken for this dev cycle" sounds a bit weird to me. "ignore the fact that old kernels do not support building with gcc-4.8, and target devices are not ported to newer kernels, and instead frozen in-time by their manufacturers" | 17:22 |
rtg | damned if I know if they even work, though | 17:22 |
xnox | rtg: I guess we should care to build armhf generic most recent kernel for calxeda and friends. | 17:22 |
rtg | xnox, exactly. I think calxeda _does_ work, though I'd have to make sure with ppisati first. | 17:23 |
xnox | rtg: we have two rigs available and before they go into production, could test kernels on them, I guess. | 17:23 |
xnox | rtg: but i think, everyone now knows that it's fact of life that ac100/panda/$(nexus devices) are shipping old kernels and cannot be build with gcc4.8. | 17:24 |
ppisati | rtg: correct, 4.7 arm[el|hf] are ok, 4.8 armhf is bad | 17:25 |
rtg | xnox, agreed. Then I'm gonna mark ricardo's bugs complaining about gcc-4.8 "won't fix" | 17:25 |
ogra_ | it needs to be armhf in any case | 17:25 |
ogra_ | we dont have an armel archive anymore :) | 17:25 |
rtg | ppisati, gcc-4.8 fails even on calxeda ? | 17:25 |
ogra_ | you would have to do a lot of tricks to actually cheat that into the archive | 17:26 |
ppisati | rtg: didn't test calxeda, omap4 only | 17:26 |
ogra_ | what do you do with omap4 anyway ? | 17:26 |
ogra_ | we still use the quantal kernel for it | 17:27 |
ppisati | ogra_: i test toolchain :) | 17:27 |
rtg | ppisati, well, I guess it makes no difference if it works or not. it fails on omap, so we have to use an older compiler regardless. | 17:27 |
ogra_ | and that wont change | 17:27 |
ogra_ | ah | 17:27 |
ppisati | ogra_: btw, [flag@luxor ~]$ arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v | 17:27 |
ppisati | ogra_: gcc version 4.7.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.3-1ubuntu1) | 17:27 |
ogra_ | yeah, 4.7 | 17:27 |
ppisati | [flag@luxor ~]$ dpkg -S arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 17:27 |
ogra_ | we dropped armel from 4.8 for arm64 | 17:27 |
ppisati | gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 17:27 |
ppisati | ogra_: so we have bot armel and armhf for 4.7 | 17:28 |
ogra_ | right | 17:28 |
ppisati | ogra_: and armhf only with 4.8 | 17:28 |
ogra_ | yeah | 17:28 |
xnox | yes. | 17:28 |
ppisati | ok so | 17:28 |
ppisati | both 4.7 are good | 17:28 |
ppisati | 4.8 armhf is bad | 17:28 |
xnox | (and arm64 with both 4.7 & 4.8) | 17:28 |
xnox | rtg: where is that bug? =) | 17:28 |
rtg | xnox, bug #1176255 and #1181046 | 17:29 |
ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1181046 in linux-manta (Ubuntu) " linux-manta keeps rebooting when built with gcc 4.7 or 4.8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1181046 | 17:29 |
ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1176255 in linux-mako (Ubuntu) "linux-mako fails to boot when built with gcc 4.8" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176255 | 17:29 |
rtg | I don't we bothered making a bug for the other platforms | 17:30 |
ogra_ | hmpf | 17:30 |
ogra_ | someone could at least have added the ram console dump | 17:30 |
xnox | rtg: mark those bug as affecting project "gcc-linaro" =) | 17:30 |
* ogra_ needs to write a wikipage how to debug android boots without serial console | 17:31 | |
rtg | I'll create a meta bug, make those other duplicates, and reference all of the relevant packages. | 17:31 |
rtg | but first, I'm gonna eat lunch 'cause I'm starving. | 17:32 |
* rtg -> lunch | 17:32 | |
ogra_ | a ram console dump is the least bit that should be attached to kernel boot bugs | 17:32 |
infinity | ppisati: Building the ARM generic kernel with 4.8 breaks, or do you mean that ti-omap4/3.5.0 breaks? | 17:34 |
infinity | ppisati: The latter seems entirely reasonable, the former would be a bug. | 17:34 |
ppisati | infinity: buidling a vanilla kernel (3.6 omap2_defconfig in this case) hangs on boot when cross compiled with 4.8 armhf | 17:35 |
ppisati | infinity: same src & .config with 4.7 is ok | 17:36 |
infinity | ppisati: I don't much care about 3.6, we've moved on to 3.10... | 17:36 |
infinity | ppisati: Hence why I asked about the "ARM generic kernel". | 17:37 |
ppisati | infinity: i do care about a toolchain that can't compile a kernel, dunno about you | 17:37 |
infinity | Old kernels need old compilers is not a new situation. And could be cherry-picked to hell to fix, if we're still shipping ancient kernels in an LTS. | 17:37 |
infinity | ppisati: Can't compile a kernel we don't ship? We have no 3.6 omap kernels in the archive, last I checked. | 17:37 |
infinity | No toolchain can compile all kernel sources. The kernel plays pretty fast and loose with GCC misfeatures, and they tend to need to be of a similar vintage to be happy. This has been true for literally decades. | 17:38 |
ppisati | infinity: someone else reported that it can't compile a supported kernel with 4,8, isn't it enough? | 17:38 |
xnox | ppisati: no. | 17:39 |
infinity | ppisati: If we need to keep 4.6 to compile our crappy old Android kernels, so be it. | 17:39 |
infinity | ppisati: If 3.10 compiles and boots fine with 4.8, that sort of proves the bug has been addressed upstream, and if we cared, we could cherrypick the kernel fixes to our Android kernels. | 17:39 |
infinity | So, the question is, do we care? | 17:40 |
infinity | In almost no way does any of this constitute a GCC bug. | 17:40 |
ogra_ | no, we dont | 17:40 |
ogra_ | (for the android kernels) | 17:40 |
infinity | ogra_: doko may disagree. :P | 17:40 |
ogra_ | then he can ask for it | 17:40 |
ogra_ | from a phonedations POV we dont :) | 17:40 |
xnox | ppisati: supported means - we will make a package available that will work. supported - doesn't mean we will backport frankenstein changes from recent kernels back to something 6 kernel releases back make it compile with optimized 4.8 toolchain, do benchmarks and conclude that it doesn't gain us anything. | 17:41 |
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xnox | infinity: doko, had a sad moment that 4.8 didn't work with kernels, and went on to upload 4.7 point release update into saucy. | 17:42 |
infinity | Now, it's probably entirely valid that if the only toolchain that can cross these old kernels is 4.6, we might need to reintroduce the 4.6-cross packages. | 17:42 |
xnox | infinity: well most work with 4.7 fine, one seems to need 4.6 (the oldest kernel). | 17:43 |
infinity | Meh. Kay, if it's just the one, people can suffer and build that natively. | 17:45 |
infinity | I assume that's the platform still stuck on 3.1, for whatever reason. | 17:45 |
xnox | infinity: it's not like that kernel will ever change though.... so it has already been build once...... | 17:45 |
infinity | xnox: You don't watch rtg's uploads, clearly. He seems to upload Android kernels more often than mainline. :P | 17:45 |
xnox | maguro: 3.0.0; grouper: 3.1.10; manta/mako 3.4.0 | 17:45 |
infinity | (But I suppose once the config syncing and other bits are sorted, he'll stop) | 17:45 |
ogra_ | infinity, 3.1 ? modern stuff :P | 17:45 |
ogra_ | maguro (omap4) uses 3.0 | 17:45 |
ogra_ | root@ubuntu-phablet:/# uname -r | 17:46 |
ogra_ | 3.0.0-3-maguro | 17:46 |
xnox | infinity: i guess it might make a little sense to poke the 4.6 one and see if can be patched up to use 4.7 (maybe somebody in cynogenmod et al did it already) | 17:46 |
infinity | Ironic, given all the years we supported omap4. | 17:46 |
ogra_ | yeah | 17:46 |
ogra_ | well, its alll about the binary blobs | 17:46 |
xnox | ogra_: by the way, I solved my fetching sources problem with: chdist + python-apt magic | 17:49 |
ogra_ | haha | 17:49 |
ogra_ | hacks FTW :) | 17:49 |
ogra_ | nice one though | 17:49 |
xnox | ogra_: it's slightly better than PULL_LP_BIN | 17:50 |
* ogra_ hopes nobody ever looks deeply into ubuntu-touch-initrd-generic | 17:50 | |
ogra_ | it does funny things too | 17:50 |
xnox | ogra_: cause, my hacks should work on the distro builder as well. | 17:50 |
xnox | infinity: one can always compile those kernel in the last release that had gcc-4.6-cross and then copy up..... | 18:00 |
* xnox hides | 18:00 | |
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hallyn | apw: I plead for help. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5862473/ | 18:33 |
hallyn | does the fact that it was testing a merge point confuse git-bisect afterward? | 18:34 |
hallyn | (I tested that on tangerine as well as my precise builder, so it's not just the git version) | 18:34 |
rtg | hallyn, you can't bisect across a non-linear space. | 18:35 |
rtg | at least, not very easily | 18:36 |
hallyn | I thought Linus' tree was supposed to always be bisectable | 18:36 |
rtg | hallyn, Linus's tree is, but not Ubuntu | 18:36 |
hallyn | ok - I'll take a different approach. | 18:36 |
hallyn | this is on Linus' tree | 18:36 |
rtg | hallyn, what is HEAD in your example ? | 18:37 |
hallyn | at which point? | 18:37 |
hallyn | right nwo it is c5482bbd9607bf38cbc952eacaa429e6ba3160a0 | 18:37 |
rtg | the starting value for 'git bisect start' | 18:37 |
hallyn | rtg: that shouldn't matter right? it's been different, but with the same result - it takes the git bisect good and bad values to start with | 18:38 |
rtg | I guess it makes no difference really. | 18:38 |
rtg | right | 18:38 |
hallyn | all right - was hoping there was some magic pixie dust i didn't knwo about to fix it. i guess i'll just focus on changes to kernel/{exit,signal}.c, which are few | 18:38 |
hallyn | I've got my eye on af4b8a83add95ef40716401395b44a1b579965f4 pidns: Wait in zap_pid_ns_processes until pid_ns->nr_hashed | 18:39 |
rtg | hallyn, maybe its because those SHA1 IDs are merge commits | 18:43 |
hallyn | rtg: I just would expect git bisect to DTRT... (maybe it *did* do the right thing, but that's not how I see it) | 18:45 |
rtg | hallyn, sometimes git still surprises me | 18:45 |
hallyn | s/surprises/disappoints/ in this case :) | 18:45 |
hallyn | rtg: thanks. i'll track it down by hand - ttyl | 18:46 |
hallyn | i was right, that's the bad commit. | 19:25 |
hallyn | apw: ^ the signal weirdness was introduced there (af4b8a83add95ef40716401395b44a1b579965f4 pidns: Wait in zap_pid_ns_processes until pid_ns->nr_hashed) | 19:25 |
hallyn | just fyi, since i KNOW you're losing sleep over it :) | 19:26 |
FernandoMiguel | apw: Sarvatt: FYI been running 3.10 with intel_pstate=disable, so far no major problem detected and heat, cpu management , battery back to previous values | 19:26 |
FernandoMiguel | thanks | 19:26 |
Sarvatt | FernandoMiguel: I've been running a kernel using intel_pstate with the changes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1188647/comments/6 and not having any problems -- http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~sarvatt/intel_pstate/ | 19:30 |
ubot2` | Ubuntu bug 1188647 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please change intel_pstate default to disable" [High,Fix committed] | 19:30 |
Sarvatt | but i haven't been tracking battery usage, just heat | 19:30 |
hallyn | ah, maybe i see the problem | 19:43 |
* rtg -> EOD | 19:57 | |
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* cooloney waves at apw ogasawara smb bjf vanhoof | 22:08 | |
vanhoof | hi cooloney | 22:11 |
vanhoof | cooloney: bu yao! :) | 22:11 |
cooloney | vanhoof: how's going? you're a busy man! | 22:17 |
vanhoof | cooloney: not too bad, busy as always :) ... how about you? | 22:19 |
cooloney | vanhoof: very good. i'm working on V4L2 camera stuff on Tegra. | 22:19 |
cooloney | vanhoof: hope to meet you guys somewhere | 22:20 |
vanhoof | cooloney: I'll be in the bay area later this month I think | 22:21 |
vanhoof | cooloney: come pick me up from sfo :) | 22:21 |
cooloney | cool, let's hangout. | 22:21 |
vanhoof | +1 | 22:22 |
cooloney | sure, i will drive my lamborghini | 22:22 |
vanhoof | cooloney: gucci leather? | 22:24 |
manjo | cooloney, does the camera work ? | 22:26 |
manjo | cooloney, I hear Lamborghini's don't have AC ... | 22:29 |
cooloney | oh, manjo, you are always ask the key question | 22:29 |
ohsix | they do | 22:29 |
cooloney | vanhoof and manjo, you know, I mean there is a bus from SFO named Lamborghini, not that one you guys expect | 22:30 |
manjo | lol | 22:30 |
vanhoof | cooloney: don't toy with my emotions :) | 22:30 |
manjo | why drive a 250k car when you can ride in a 1/2 mil bus | 22:30 |
manjo | cooloney, now I see the logic in your v4l camera device | 22:31 |
cooloney | also I have bike named Maserati, if you guys wanna ride | 22:32 |
manjo | motor or foot powered ? | 22:32 |
vanhoof | cooloney: with pedals? | 22:32 |
vanhoof | :) | 22:32 |
manjo | does it go ding ding ? | 22:32 |
cooloney | oh, one pedal works and the other not | 22:34 |
cooloney | manjo: it always goes dingding except the bell. | 22:36 |
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manjo | cooloney, you are always full of surprises ! | 22:36 |
cooloney | manjo: will you come with vanhoof this time? | 22:37 |
manjo | vanhoof, am I going with you to CA ? | 22:37 |
manjo | cooloney, peons don't get to go I think ... | 22:38 |
manjo | cooloney, are you going to plumbers in NO this sept ? | 22:41 |
cooloney | manjo: probably not. if it is in bay area, i might go. | 22:52 |
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