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smartboyhwphillw: ping03:46
smartboyhwNoskcaj: How's discussion with kirkland and roaksoax?03:46
Noskcajsmartboyhw, non-existent. nothing new has appeared since yesterday, other than the bug count going up by one03:47
NoskcajAnd i've rage-quit trying to package stuff03:47
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Why?03:48
NoskcajNothing worked, ever03:48
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Well, you have to try;)03:48
Noskcaji did. also, i hate the debian bug tracker03:48
smartboyhwTell me, what didn't work?03:48
Noskcajthe everything03:49
Noskcajmostly the guide on the developer website only works with a specific sort of installer03:49
smartboyhwNoskcaj: I know that package is a bit weird03:49
smartboyhwI mean, maybe try packaging simplier ones?03:50
smartboyhwGet a sense of success first?03:50
Noskcaji've looked, i'll keep trying and as you when something get's stuck03:50
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Good.03:52
Noskcajsmartboyhw, since bug 1119092 already get's built to ppa, is it just a case of contacting debian or the MOTUs to get it included04:00
ubot5bug 1119092 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] xnoise" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111909204:00
Noskcajnever mind, it's got dependencies that aren't in ubuntu04:05
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Hah04:05
Noskcajsmartboyhw, how do you search the debian archive to check for existing packages?04:21
smartboyhwNoskcaj: packages.debian.org?04:22
Noskcaji'd never thought to scroll down on that page *facepalm*04:22
smartboyhwNoskcaj: ROFL04:23
smartboyhwNoskcaj: If you want to learn packaging, come join Kubuntu, we have a lot of packaging items for you to do;)04:29
Noskcajok04:30
Noskcajsmartboyhw, i'm looking at bug 1157723 and i've sent a debian bug for it, only issue is i don't have a kubuntu install to test it on04:30
ubot5bug 1157723 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] kfilebox" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115772304:30
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Oh?04:30
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Heh, Kubuntu has quite a reputation of not putting packages into Debian (even new ones)04:31
smartboyhwnee versions rather04:31
Noskcaji just thought it would be beneficial04:32
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Well of course you can, but as far as I heard, Debian's KDE team is understaffed:P04:33
Noskcajok04:33
Noskcaji'll set up a kubuntu VM, that's the only way i'll be be to run it04:35
pittiGood morning04:43
DanChapmanGood Morning all :-)06:05
elfyhi DanChapman06:07
DanChapmanHey elfy06:08
saintluluits still evening here, DanChapman06:10
saintlulu=P06:11
DanChapmansaintlulu, :-D06:12
DanChapmanjibel, morning :-) could it be the firewall failing the firefox autopilot test? but then again one of the tests which loads planet.ubuntu is passing. So i'm not sure if its the test that needs adjusting.09:09
jibelDanChapman, that's possible, *.ubuntu.com should be fine. Which url does the test uses ?09:15
DanChapmanjibel, one does a google search and the other a wikipedia search.09:17
jibelDanChapman, google is allowed (until you select a result), wikipedia is not09:21
DanChapmanjibel, ok cool. Well i will lose the wikipedia test for it and maybe add jenkins as a search engine option (which ive only just found you can do) and do a search against that.09:23
DanChapmanjibel, thanks09:24
jibelDanChapman, Thank you. On my side, I'll check if I can enable a proxy09:24
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ade_goodyerballoons, you about?14:27
balloonsade_goodyer, indeed I am14:27
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ade_goodyerballoons, I have managed to click play in my testcase!! :oP14:28
ade_goodyerDanChapman, Hey Dan14:29
* balloons waves to DanChapman 14:29
balloonshow are you two on this lovely day?14:30
DanChapmanballoons, for ubiquity we now have default, plain lvm and lvm with encryption. and half way through 'something else' now.14:30
balloonswhoa.. that's moving along rather quick now, isn't it? :-)14:30
ade_goodyerballoons, Not easy I can tell you either, having no python knowledge at all, I had to set up all the test folders, emulators etc14:30
ade_goodyerDanChapman, Nice one bud14:30
balloonsade_goodyer, ahh yes, you didn't get the luxury of that work being done already. it's nice for your first commit to commit to something established14:31
ade_goodyerballoons, Yes definitely, but after waiting for a few days I knew that I wasn't going to have that luxury so I just jumped in.14:32
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ade_goodyerIn QML, can objectNames be the same as id's??14:37
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DanChapmanballoons, what do you think should be done about the options to install updates and 3rd party stuff. and which test should i incoroporate it into if they were to be selected.14:38
DanChapmanxnox ^^ ..... you might be a better person to ask14:39
balloonshmm.. both of those really need examining the filesystem to confirm they worked so to speak.14:39
balloonsoff the top of my head, that's my thought. you could check them and make sure nothing else blows up, but you wouldn't be verifying the feature itself worked beyond not blowing up the installer :-)14:40
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DanChapmanokey doke. :-)14:42
fgintherballoons, FYI, I found the missing dependency for https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/ubuntu-rssreader-test-add-view-feeds/+merge/17331614:52
fgintherballoons, bug report and merge proposal have been filed14:52
balloonsfginther, nice, thanks for tracking that down :-)14:53
balloonsI see it merged even14:53
fgintherballoons, it was starting to give me nightmares :-)14:53
balloonsfginther, yikes!14:55
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balloonsasac, so I hear and see your plans for the mobile images -- running things through all the tests everyday before publishing15:22
asacballoons: thats next step... first step is to run everything after the fact...15:23
asacfound out though that a bug in our infrsatructure will allow us to do that publishing after manually reviewing stuff15:24
asacso first: land everything -> get people fix stuff -> start automated gating15:24
balloonsasac, ok, so first step is expose the holes and get people to fix things up, then autogate. Makes sense. We'll keep adding tests :-)15:26
asacyeah... also figuring what tests are reasonable15:28
asacat first step to auto gate on15:28
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DanChapmanballoons, could you run the firefox test for me in the dev branch. Ive done fixes for jenkins and would like your go ahead before it goes into production16:50
balloonsDanChapman, of course16:50
DanChapmancheers mate16:50
balloonsall the tests run fine.. I like the jenkins inclusion, haha16:52
balloonswhile I'm looking at things, I better merge the manual tests backlog before jackson awakes16:52
DanChapman:-D yeah i liked that one.16:53
DanChapmanOk well i will get that into the prod branch and we should have all passes when it runs later16:53
balloonsexcellent :-) They don't like having failures, heh16:54
balloonswhat did you change exactly.. it's using processmanger, because of the introspection issue16:55
DanChapmanballoons, first i got rid of all the http:// autopilot didn't seem to work too well as firefox hides it as you carryon typing so that was causing errors. For the google search it was looking for 'ubuntu server docs' in the title bar but what was actually there is 'tu server docs' and just added the jenkins test as wikipedia is blocked16:59
balloonsohh right! the firewall stuff17:00
Letozaf_balloons, Hi17:21
balloonsLetozaf_, hello!17:21
Letozaf_balloons, I have a quick question then I have to go, have you got 2 min ?17:21
Letozaf_balloons, the clock app, looks like tests are written one .py file per test17:22
Letozaf_balloons, but If I want to write some tests for this app do I have to do the same ?17:22
balloonsLetozaf_, you can add to the tests in those files17:23
balloonsit's one .py file per view basically17:23
balloonsso it you wanted to add a stopwatch test, add it to the stopwatch.py file, etc17:24
Letozaf_balloons, so if I want to add a test on Alarm I should create another file, right ?17:24
Letozaf_balloons, oh you already answered17:24
Letozaf_balloons, thanks... have to go, be back later :D17:25
balloonsLetozaf_, yes add a file17:25
balloonsand alarm is changing.. it's not fully functional yet as an fyi17:25
balloonsciao Letozaf_17:25
Letozaf_balloons, ok so I will pick something else17:25
Letozaf_caio balloons ;)17:25
thomi_morning17:41
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adegoodyerballoons, Have you got two minutes?18:13
balloonsadegoodyer, for you sur e:-)18:14
adegoodyerballoons, I am totally stuck when using select_single in autopilot18:14
balloonsstuck on?18:15
adegoodyerballoons, e.g. return self.app.select_single("Label", objectName="playButton")18:15
balloonsyep that looks fine18:15
adegoodyerthis is fine18:15
adegoodyerbut, when I try to 'query' any other value or attribute I can't seem to get anywhere with it.18:16
adegoodyere.g. return self.app.select_single("Label", objectName="accumulate") - Doesn;t work18:16
balloonsgot a branch?18:17
adegoodyer2 secs, I will commit what I have implemented so far...18:19
balloonsk18:21
adegoodyerballoons, Sorry about the wait... am still getting used to working with bzr18:27
adegoodyerballoons, https://code.launchpad.net/~adriangoodyer/dropping-letters/new_game_autopilot18:27
adegoodyerballoons, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~adriangoodyer/dropping-letters/new_game_autopilot/view/head:/tests/autopilot/dropping_letters_app/emulators/main_window.py18:30
balloonsk, grabbing it18:30
adegoodyerballoons, Thanks and my apologies for being a slight pain18:31
balloonsadegoodyer, so I don't see a call to it18:34
balloonsohh wait18:34
balloonslol18:34
balloonsit ran ok for me, heh18:34
balloonslol self.main_window.get_flipable() doesn't exist, but apart from that it ran18:35
balloonsso I'm not sure what the issue is now ,lol :-)18:35
adegoodyerballoons, "Label" seems to work ok, but when I try "Timer" for example (in an attempt to query Timer.droptimer), it won't work?18:36
adegoodyerballoons, I am not sure I am explaining this well at all... :o)18:36
balloonsyou'll want to grab the proper object name when you query18:37
balloonsif your having trouble, look at the qml file, or even load the app up in vis to see what the root node is18:37
balloonsyour test as written works for me18:37
balloonsso commit the stuff that doesn't and push it back18:37
balloonsit'll make more sense to me then :-)18:37
adegoodyerballoons, lol, am really sorry about this. Ok, 2 mins...18:38
balloonsno worries!18:39
balloonshappy to help18:39
balloonswe'll iterate on it18:39
adegoodyerballoons, Try again now, same branch :o)18:42
adegoodyerballoons, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~adriangoodyer/dropping-letters/new_game_autopilot/files18:42
adegoodyerballoons, this link would probably be a lot easier to see where I am coming from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~adriangoodyer/dropping-letters/new_game_autopilot/revision/35?start_revid=3518:45
balloonsi got it now18:47
balloonsyes whenever you see a nonetype has no attribute error, it's due to your select failing18:47
balloonswell, most likely :-)18:48
balloonsthe object might also just not have that property18:48
adegoodyerYes, that's what I believe at the moment, but am unsure how to rectify it?18:48
adegoodyerI am positive the problem line is this one...18:49
adegoodyerreturn self.app.select_single("Timer", objectName="dropTimer")18:49
balloonsahh..18:49
balloonsso the issue here is timing yet again18:49
balloonsI should put this in the video18:49
adegoodyer??18:49
balloonswhen you grab that object, it doesn't exist yet18:49
adegoodyerOh...18:49
balloonsdon't grab everything at the top of the function like that, it'll get you in trouble18:49
adegoodyerOk, so how best is to grab it?18:50
balloonsstill fails, lol.. let's see18:50
adegoodyerlol18:50
balloons        #Check timer is set at zero18:50
balloons        dropTimer = self.main_window.get_dropTimer()18:50
balloons        self.assertThat(dropTimer.tickCount, Eventually(Equals(0)))18:50
balloonsgrab it before you need to check it, to ensure the object has been created18:50
adegoodyerahhh, I am with you.. So define your variables just before use basically?18:51
adegoodyerOk, two seconds... I will try and commit if works18:52
balloonswell.. just remember when you grab the object , make sure it exists :-)18:52
balloonsif it's on a different view it might not18:52
balloonsin this case doesn't seem to matter18:52
balloonsit doesn't fix your issue.. your not getitng the object18:52
adegoodyerYeah, am finding the same thing here.18:52
adegoodyer:(18:53
balloonsthe issue is you named it the same as the id18:54
balloonsalso a no no18:54
balloonsohh wait18:54
balloonsbah18:54
balloonsforget that18:55
Letozaf_balloons, Hi again :D18:55
balloonshello Letozaf_18:55
Letozaf_balloons, but then wnat can I write autopilot test for without it being not fully functional ?18:55
Letozaf_balloons, I mean how do I know what to pick ?18:55
balloonsLetozaf_, ohh on the alarms thing.. I just said watch out, they might not be on yet. you can view the dogfooding page.. but in general run you would find out about the alarms working or not as soon as you ran the app18:57
balloonsthe work should be set to blocked18:57
balloonshttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-clock-development18:58
balloonshere's the features they are aiming for this month: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding18:58
balloonsI got the the blueprint for clock from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Clock18:59
balloonsthat's alot of gibberish to hit you with at once :-)18:59
balloonsbut you can see on the blueprint the work is blocked because they need something to implement alarms.18:59
* Letozaf_ is reading19:00
balloonsyou could know this because the work is set to blocked in the blueprint, or just because you ran the app and couldn't get alarams working19:00
balloonsthus no test for it :-)19:00
Letozaf_balloons, ok, it's just I had picked the stock ticker and that was done by another person, now the alarm thing, so I must be unfortunate :p19:01
Letozaf_balloons, never mind, I will surely find something :D19:01
Letozaf_balloons, thanks for the info, I will also try to look at the blueprints19:02
balloonsLetozaf_, well, sorry to hear that ;-(19:08
balloonsLetozaf_, sudoku hasn't see a lot of work.. it's pretty wide open19:08
balloonswho's working on stockticker? I didn't know anyone was19:08
Letozaf_balloons, Robert Strechroth wrote an email sayin "These bugs were part of a bigger picture and got finished while building the autopilot tests. I hope that you have not spent any/much time on this...." I think he's the dev19:11
Letozaf_balloons, I can forward the mail to you, I think they were still working on this app too19:11
Letozaf_balloons, but it's not a problem, it's would just be a good idea to have a way to know if something is not open for working on, that's all19:13
balloonsahh yes, in general the newer apps are undergoing more stuff. you can look at the blueprints to get an idea of what's going on19:14
balloonsthe work is all tracked there19:14
balloonsall the coreapps have links to there blueprints from there page on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/19:15
Letozaf_balloons, ok19:16
balloonsadegoodyer, sorry so sidetracked there for a minute19:26
balloonsso timing wasn't the issue, so I'm not sure off the top what is19:26
balloonsmight be time to ask the the autopilot hackers :-)19:26
adegoodyerballoons, No problem at all, I know you are extremely busy19:26
balloons#ubuntu-autopilot is the place for hard questions19:26
adegoodyerballoons, Ok I will dig a little deeper, thanks for having a second look for me :o)19:27
adegoodyerballoons, On my way now lol19:27
balloonsadegoodyer, I'm looking in vis19:31
balloonsso when the game starts the QQuickRectangle objects populate19:32
balloonsI see the page, but no timer19:34
balloonsyou might be better off looking for the letters19:34
balloonsthe point is I don't see it in the vis tool, so autopilot doesn't seem it at runtime either :-)19:35
balloonsthomi, can we introspect timers?19:36
adegoodyerballoons, I came to the exact same conclusion but wasn't sure as I am new to using these tools.19:37
thomiballoons: in a call at the moment - can we talk later? maybe 30 mins?19:37
balloonsno rush at all thomi19:37
adegoodyerballoons, I checked every branch of the tree after naming the object in Qt creator and found nothing19:37
balloonsyea, well your simply trying to assert the game has begun right?19:38
balloonsthe more obvious piece to me is to assert letters are created19:38
adegoodyerballoons, That's correct...19:39
knomeballoons, so, re: test case names, are we going to drop those?19:39
balloonsknome I am all for it19:39
adegoodyerballoons, I started by looking at the restart function in Qt as this is called every new game...19:40
balloonsi'm not going to edit the old stuff, but yet19:40
balloonsadegoodyer, a good place to look :-)19:40
knomeballoons, me too. the actual testcase name is enough in my opinion.19:40
adegoodyerballoons, Ok, I can see your really busy and you have given me plenty of advice for one day so thank you and I will let you knwo how I get on :o)19:40
balloonsfeel free to keep asking questions. I'll let you keep going with those ideas :-019:41
balloonsdropping letters is a toughie19:41
balloonsI don't have all the easy answers :-)19:41
balloonsadegoodyer, do you mind if I assign you the work for the tests though so others know? At the moment, there's no one assigned :-_)19:42
adegoodyerballoons, Yes and I thought I was picking an easy test case to start with! :o)19:42
adegoodyerballoons, Oh? I thought I assigned myself?? Yes, no problem at all19:42
balloonsthey track on the blueprint itself too19:42
balloonsnot just the bug :-)19:42
balloonswhat's your lp id again adegoodyer ?19:44
adegoodyerballoons, Oh right, I seem to be learning something new every minute at the moment lol19:44
balloonsit slows down don't worry :-)19:44
adegoodyerballoons, Not sure I want it too, it's great! :o)19:44
adegoodyerballoons, lp:~adriangoodyer - That the one?19:45
musicman_Hey all... Just wondering if anyone has it in them to chat about wireless issues. I don't know if this is the right channel - if not, could someone point me in the right direction?19:45
musicman_Been using ubuntu for about 5 years. Every problem I have even encountered I've found a workaround for, but this recent wireless nuke is just insane19:46
balloonsmusicman_, for general support? try out #ubuntu I believe19:46
musicman_sure, I could bounce over to the main ubuntu channel...19:46
balloonsgive it a whirl.. askubuntu is great too for specific questions like what your aksing19:47
musicman_thanks, baloons19:47
musicman_musicman out!19:47
balloonsyour welcome.. there are some wonderful troubleshooters on AU19:47
adegoodyermusicman_, I can't recommend AskUbuntu enought, there very good there - http://askubuntu.com/about19:48
balloonsadegoodyer, done: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/droppingletters-coreapps-development19:54
adegoodyerballoons, Yikes! Looks like I am going to be a very busy man in the next few days!! Thanks Balloons ;o)19:55
balloonsadegoodyer, :-) one day at a time19:55
adegoodyerballoons, What kind of turnaround time wise would you be expecting for this?19:57
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adegoodyerballoons, IRC is having a few issues, so think I am going to call it a day on here. I will keep you updated with progress :o)20:00
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balloonsmorning Noskcaj20:37
Noskcajhello balloons20:37
balloonsalmost finished merging everything :-)20:37
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, balloons \o\20:40
balloonsSergioMeneses, I'm looking at your test as we speak :-)20:40
Noskcajhey SergioMeneses20:40
balloonsHola mi amigo20:40
SergioMenesesballoons, ok Noskcaj made me some notes about it and I will work on it this weekend20:41
balloonsSergioMeneses, I can fix the formatting for you20:41
balloonsI'm already on it20:41
SergioMenesesballoons, ok20:41
balloonsNoskcaj, how did the content of the case look?20:41
SergioMenesesif you have time enough that will be great20:41
Noskcaj?20:41
balloonson the review for audacity you don't mention anything about the test itself..20:42
balloonsjust wondered if you reviewed that piece o rnot20:42
NoskcajI just did my checklist of possible issues, i didn't get around to reading the whole thing20:43
balloonsNoskcaj, k, thanks20:46
balloons:-)20:46
balloonscan you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu-manual-tests/parole/+merge/172212?20:46
balloonsI want to get all caught up :-)20:47
NoskcajIt's rough conversion of the version on the tracker, it probably will need expanding20:47
balloonsok audacity formatting fixes are done20:49
balloonspushing and merging.. 2 more20:50
SergioMenesesballoons, wait20:53
balloonsSergioMeneses, ?20:53
SergioMenesesdont merge it ...I have to change one link on Audacity testcase20:53
balloonsSergioMeneses, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1577/info20:54
SergioMenesesballoons, Test-case name: audacity/ady-01420:54
SergioMenesesthe last test but dont worry I'm going to change it tomorrow, ok?20:55
balloonsSergioMeneses, yes, no worries.. It won't go onto the tracker just yet to submit results to20:55
SergioMenesesballoons, perfect them20:55
SergioMenesesthen20:55
balloonsyou can push another merge to fix it :-)20:55
SergioMenesesballoons, I was thinking the same20:57
* SergioMeneses has to play with Bacula these days20:57
balloonsNoskcaj, ok so only parole is left20:59
balloonsso merge it and remove the old one?20:59
dkesselgood evening!21:13
balloonsdkessel, evening sir21:13
* dkessel is hesitating to try and flash his old phone with ubuntu touch21:15
NoskcajDO IT!21:16
dkesselwell... cyanogenmod is not building current versions for it. it is a htc desire21:17
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balloonsthe desire z?21:17
balloonsor just desire?21:17
dkesseljust desire. codename bravo21:17
balloonsahh.. I have the desire z :-)21:18
dkesseli expect lots of problems with device drivers21:18
balloonswoot, no active reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+activereviews21:19
dkesselso you're out of work to do balloons? :D21:20
Noskcajbut are they all in the tracker or marked as fix committed?21:20
balloonsdkessel, hardly!21:20
Noskcaj;)21:20
balloonsNoskcaj, they are all pushed21:21
balloonsI found one with a bad id and fixed that too21:21
dkesselballoons, just kidding :)21:21
balloonsdkessel, I'm trying to finish the video for autopilot testing21:21
Noskcaji will watch, i still cannot understand autopilot21:21
thomiballoons: I have time now, if you had a question for me?21:22
balloonsthomi, sure. So it appears like timers can't be introspected.. kind of odd, but I guess the general question is, "what qml objects CANNOT be introspected?"21:22
balloonsis there a list, known or otherwise?21:22
thomiballoons: there's no list - if it's in the QObject tree, then it should work21:24
thomido they not appear in the list at all?21:24
balloonsthomi, correct. It's not in the list21:25
balloonsI can get specific, but I'm not sure I want to open the can of worms right now :-)21:25
thomiballoons: hmmmm. It sounds like either they're not added to the object tree, in which case there's nothing we can do, short of patching Qt, OR there's a bug in autopilot-qt. Let's assume the latter. Can you please file a bug against autopilot-qt, and I'll ask someone to take a look at it?21:26
balloonsthomi, ohh really you think it's a bug? I was assuming it was a limitation in Qt/QML21:27
thomiballoons: if you have a minimal example to reproduce the issue, then that would be great as well :)21:27
thomiballoons: it could be either, but I'm not skilled enough to tell. but if we file a but against autopilot-qt, we'll know for sure :)21:27
balloonsright right, heh. Ok, fair enough21:27
balloonsty21:28
* dkessel yaaaaaawns...21:33
dkesselballoons, what could I possibly do for QA next tuesday? more qml tests, for filemanager maybe?21:35
balloonsdkessel, hmm.. well, let's look21:36
balloonsmaking this list go to zero would be awesome :-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+bugs?field.tag=needs-autopilot-test21:37
dkesseli hope i will be able to make it a habit. quality tuesday or something ;-)21:37
balloonsoverall this is the magic burndown.. Adding tests made it spike :-) http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/21:37
balloonsso now we need to help keep them on track :-)21:38
balloonsdkessel, fun idea21:38
dkesselnice burndown21:39
balloonsheh, can you guess when we added the work for tests?21:39
balloonsI'll give you one guess21:39
dkesselat the beginning of june?21:41
balloonsyep21:42
dkesselthat was hard to guess ;)21:42
balloonslol21:42
Noskcajballoons, do i delete parole 0.5 or just disable it?21:47
NoskcajI disabled it last month21:47
balloonsdisable is perfect21:47
balloonsit will exist for the old results so they can be viewed21:47
dkesselgood night channel!22:07
asacdoanac: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117775935412882278033/posts/5BfpBMT4ZGt :)22:30
doanacasac: is this sort of Zach's satellite idea?22:31
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asacdoanac: right. but by someone i trust :) ... deleted thepost by now btw ... resharing in g+ looses my text, so its waste of investment. .. will rather blog23:38
asacdoanac: s/trust/believe can get it right/23:39
asacdoanac: i think its powerful if it is paired with the idea to open LAVA up to the kernel and linux community23:39
asacon scale23:39
asacthat one is actually the main idea i like... then crowd contributing hardware is sexy on top :)23:39
asac(and yes, that idea isnt new ... its just that i think this will really happen now that LAVA can do everything)23:40

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