[00:15] <shauno> heh, he'll have fun with that .. geoip puts me as Shannon, but he knows I'm not there
[04:45] <venkat> Hi
[04:49] <venkat> could you  help me please   i have  a problam  in ubuntu
[04:52] <venkat> my boot  partation  full  that'y  i removed  old kernel  i got problems
[04:53] <MartijnVdS> venkat: I think you might get a faster, better answer if you post your question t http://askubuntu.com/
[04:54] <venkat> now i post  exat  problam
[04:55] <venkat> can not open root device "mapper/ubuntu-root" or unlnow block(0,0):error -6
[04:56] <venkat> please append a corrent "root" boot partation
[04:57] <venkat> kernel panix-not syncing ufs: unable to mount root fs on unknow
[04:57] <venkat> this is exat problams
[04:59] <venkat> MartijnVdS:    i can not enter  single user mod also   same problem
[05:00] <venkat> please  tel  me   what can  i do ?
[05:02] <venkat> MartijnVdS: please    tel  me
[05:57] <venkat> Hi
[05:58] <MooDoo> morning
[06:00] <venkat> could you  help  me
[06:03] <venkat> my  boot partation  use 100% that's y   i removed  old   kernel   after    restarting  system     got  errors
[06:03] <venkat> when i  select  ubunt  enter   errors
[06:05] <venkat> error messages ;  can not open  root device  "mapper/ubuntu-root" or  unknow-block(0,0):error -6
[06:06] <venkat> 2)   please append  a corrent "root=" boot option; here are the avvaliable  partation
[06:07] <venkat> 3)  kernel panic-not syncing : VFS: unable to mount    root fs on unknow (0,0)
[06:08] <venkat> 4)  pid:1, comm :  swapper/0 not  tainted  3.5.0.34-generic  ---------->like  problems
[06:08] <venkat> please  could you  lehp  me
[06:16] <venkat> please  help me  anyone
[06:19] <MooDoo> if there is no one to help you here, have you tried #ubuntu ?
[06:32] <venkat> i am fresher   in dot't no depth knowledge  ubuntu boot process    i tried to  login   single user mod also  same problem  i check google also     i  can't solve  my  problem  after  i am  lookin ubuntu  forum
[06:34] <venkat> moodoo  please  can you  slove  my problem
[06:36] <MooDoo> I don't know the answer without googling it
[06:39] <venkat> i send  errors after  select  ununtu  enter
[06:53] <knightwise> morning
[06:54] <MooDoo> morning
[06:56] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[06:56] <MooDoo> :)
[07:39] <ali1234> nurbs
[07:40] <ali1234> blender's implementation is really weird and has functions that do nothing at all
[07:49] <meueshet> hi
[08:26] <redtape|renegade> Anyone see the google glass post I posted last night .. (?) ::::: http://bit.ly/12kazQI :::
[08:28] <MooDoo> redtape|renegade: aren't you using them yourself?
[08:29] <BigRedS> "The Bitcoin luxury marketplace" has a Lada on it?
[08:30] <redtape|renegade> MooDoo :  just get the emails from that website , and wince over how Americanised the word *decadence* has become. So not yet, No .. but they do run Ubuntu, I'm told.
[08:30] <MooDoo> ah ok
[08:31] <mungbean> saw a 7 year old boy on the train clutching a ribena and a £50 note today :-|
[08:33] <Laney> which one did you nick?
[08:33] <redtape|renegade> ribena or £50 note ? It's like that McCains advert of which one is more important to him ... 'dad or chips ?'
[08:33] <mungbean> i wouldn't trust 50p to a child
[08:34] <mungbean> he'd spend it on a kinder egg
[08:34] <mungbean> actually i found a pound once as a boy and bought 4 kinders and 4 cola bottles with it
[08:35] <redtape|renegade> mungbean: I think I bought a potatoe scallop with my new-found £1 coin .. prob.ly get a Fredo bar now ..
[08:37] <redtape|renegade> They say that Fredo bars are directly proportional to the rate of inflation .. i.e '02@ 5p  then '13 @ 20p.
[08:38] <redtape|renegade> I think the bonk of England set their base rate by Fredo bars ;)
[08:38] <christel> haha
[08:39] <christel> my son is currently at that stage where if given a pound or two to buy something for himself he will try to convince me that i should pay so that he can keep his pounds to put them in his piggy bank instead
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> christel: banker in the making?
[08:39] <christel> (mind, he is also a bit greedy -- he hoovered the dining room and i jokingly suggested that i had better start paying him pocket money soon... he turned around and told me it would be 13 pounds)
[08:40] <christel> i think he picked the amount out of thin air... he's only 3 and a half!
[08:40] <christel> i felt it was a bit steep!
[08:40] <popey> Sam is saving his money to buy expensive toys
[08:40] <christel> MartijnVdS: i fear he might be!
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> christel: sounds more and more like a banker.. :)
[08:40] <christel> popey: :D
[08:40] <popey> he finds 10p here or there and squirrels it away
[08:40] <redtape|renegade> Aah the Age to pound ratio .. get them every time !
[08:40] <mungbean> i remember as a 8 year old, closing my midland account to join the halifax and i had £84. the lady said, you gonna spend it on something nice? i said, no i'm putting it in the HFX
[08:40] <mungbean> how on earth i earned that muhc money as a child i'll never know
[08:41] <mungbean> 25p/week pocket money ..
[08:42] <MooDoo> christel: I got that from my 4 year old, who I suggested wash the car, he said I'll do it for a tenner :S
[08:43] <mungbean> looks interstig for summer hols activities for kids for those in kent http://www.thewarandpeacerevival.co.uk/
[08:43] <redtape|renegade> I think squirrelling is the main aim/moral here though :: http://imgur.com/bqxA7Wi
[08:47] <popey> I sometimes have to borrow money from the kids for parking!
[08:47] <popey> they ensure I pay them back
[08:47] <mungbean> http://eelslap.com/
[08:48] <mungbean> maybe tumbleweed can be modified liek this :D
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Don't Step On A Bee Day! :-D
[08:50] <DJones> redtape|renegade: I thought squirrelling was something else then, I take my dog squirrelling every day, he's still trying to work out how to climb tree's to catch one though
[08:51] <mungbean> my dog caught one once
[08:51] <mungbean> she's a jack russell, so it didn't last long
[08:51] <mungbean> shake shake shake drop
[08:52] <mungbean> how can i tell the microcode revision on my system?
[08:53] <popey>  /proc/cpuinfo ?
[08:53] <popey> grep microcode /proc/cpuinfo
[08:53] <mungbean> tried that, and dmidecode and dmesg, /var/log/*
[08:54] <popey> microcode	: 0x28
[08:54] <popey> i see that x4
[08:54] <mungbean> oh
[08:54] <mungbean> weird
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> it's in dmesg as well
[08:54] <mungbean> nothing in mine
[08:54] <popey> amd cpu?
[08:54] <mungbean> yesh
[08:54]  * popey shrugs
[08:54] <popey> <- Intel
[08:54] <redtape|renegade> DJones: poor thing .. but yur right .. should have put the dash in .. squirel-ing  .. there are other 'shots' you can take of less harm .. http://www.fancy.com/things/264739773443219027/Big-Head-Squirrel-Feeder
[08:55] <mungbean> hopefully problem fixed now after the bios update. just wish their changelogs actually said technical stuff instead of misleading  interpretations
[08:55] <popey> "* Bug fixes and performance improvements"
[08:55] <mungbean> * Fixed something causing instability with vmware *
[08:55] <mungbean> actually was a microcode update that affects other OS too
[08:55]  * BigRedS hides his commit messages
[08:56] <mungbean> was getting system hangs
[09:02] <redtape|renegade> OT | an someone check if channel '0177' is still the *chillout channel* on sky, or has it expired ? redtape only knows them now thru http://www.last.fm/user/ChillDAB
[09:02] <redtape|renegade> **Can someone ...
[09:03] <popey> redtape|renegade: http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide
[09:04] <redtape|renegade> oh right , yes .. thank-you ..
[09:11] <redtape|renegade> Yeah, can'tb find 'Radio #channels' on that http://bit.ly/15vICGz .. put it on the back burner for 11-sies..
[09:11] <redtape|renegade> **can't find 'R..
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:25] <BigRedS> Goooooooood Morning!
[09:25]  * redtape|renegade thawte popeycam would be 'blazing' today .. Apparently not .. according to the MetOffig :: http://yhoo.it/12gYHvA ::: Morning bigcalm
[09:29] <BigRedS> SEO people are peculiar
[09:29] <popey> Yes. They are.
[09:29] <popey> They are almost all spammers too.
[09:29] <popey> [FACT]
[09:29] <popey> they deserve to be rounded up and put in a field IMO
[09:29] <redtape|renegade> Ronnie Bincer especially.
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> isn't SEO a synonym for spam?
[09:30] <BigRedS> our customer's SEO people have asked that we remove the 301 redirect from .co.uk to .com and replace it with an "Our site has moved" page on the .co.uk...
[09:30] <popey> Pillocks
[09:31] <BigRedS> it is the site of an ambulance chasing company, so I feel no sympathy for the customer, though :)
[09:31] <bigcalm> Eugh
[09:31] <bigcalm> Name 'n shame ;)
[09:32] <bigcalm> Oh, that reminds me. I need to sign and post this NDA agreement
[09:32] <BigRedS> hahaha
[09:39] <neuro> BigRedS: wait, what?
[09:40] <neuro> your seo people wanted you to put a redirect notice page up instead of just redirecting?
[09:40] <neuro> *brain asplode*
[09:40]  * redtape|renegade wonders if it's time to think about modding a HTPC for Ubuntu-TV ? :: http://bit.ly/12Y7iGL ::  .. I think I'll leave it till 14.10, next year.
[09:41] <neuro> with that spec? good luck.
[09:41]  * redtape|renegade did say 'modd'.
[09:41] <neuro> that's not "modding", that's "upgrading"
[09:42] <BigRedS> neuro: I don't have SEO people! :) but, yeah, that's what they wanted
[09:42] <popey> heh yeah, bit old and crusty is that
[09:42] <neuro> oh, misread, customer's seo people
[09:43] <neuro> seo and domainers ... the dark musty underbelly of the interwebs
[09:46] <BigRedS> Yeah. Every time I get an email from a customer introducing their SEO people I picture some dank victorian London street of an evening with two hooded shifty looking types walking towards me
[09:46] <BigRedS> I should probably drink less coffee.
[09:46] <neuro> :)
[09:46] <neuro> "nice website ... would be a pity if something ... happened to it ... 's google pagerank"
[09:46] <BigRedS> hahaha
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> neuro: hahaha :)
[09:55] <neuro> BigRedS: badumtsh
[09:57] <popey> jpc
[09:57] <neuro> indeed
[10:07] <Laney> so, something in London went down, eh? :-)
[10:12] <redtape|renegade> Lnay How So ?  (I thnk this is the main one atmo. :: http://ind.pn/1aax3ph ::)
[10:17] <mungbean> why does my pc have so many ipv6 addresses?
[10:17] <mungbean> namely, 8
[10:22] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:22] <JamesTait> davmor2, you're late!
[10:22] <JamesTait> davmor2, I already have my elevenses, that's how I know!
[10:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, but good morning all the same. ;)
[10:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: Late is a relative term I finished 40 minute over yesterday and an hour over on Monday so technically I'm still way ahead of myself :P
[10:24] <JamesTait> davmor2, ah, you're like me. I'll let you off. ;)
[10:25] <davmor2> JamesTait: My Mom is here this morning to pay us a visit and I just lost track of time it was like 10 when I last looked at the clock :)
[10:26] <JamesTait> davmor2, no explanations required, I managed to get my elevenses without my usually-reliable alarm clock. ;) Say hi to your mom for me!
[10:26] <mungbean> *mum
[10:27] <mungbean> all spelling must be approved by the #ubuntu-uk overlords :D
[10:27] <davmor2> mungbean: that will be Mom for Mother rather than the wussy southern version of Mum for Mummy :P
[10:28] <JamesTait> mungbean, "it's complicated". ;)
[10:28] <JohnRobert> ipv6 is cheap
[10:28] <Laney> mom for mother?!
[10:28]  * Laney grows perplexed
[10:28] <mungbean> but why do i get 8 addresses?
[10:28] <mungbean> my bot just exited and reappeared with another address...weird
[10:30] <redtape|renegade> OT : redtape wonders if there's a manual *basque* after noting the 'bulls are running today' (click right for pictures) :: http://yhoo.it/152l6P2 ::  it appears not.
[10:30] <redtape|renegade> **manual in *basque ..
[10:31] <JamesTait> mungbean, off the top of my head, you'll have at least a loopback (::1) and a link-local (fe80::...), then possibly an auto-configured global, and a dynamic global with privacy extensions.
[10:31] <mungbean> yes i have 8 global
[10:31] <mungbean> attached to eth0
[10:31] <mungbean> and 1 link .
[10:32] <JamesTait> All native?
[10:32] <JamesTait> Or are there tunnels, teredo (sp?) and stuff?
[10:32] <mungbean> don't think there's any funky tunnels
[10:36] <JamesTait> mungbean, they'd probably be attached to a tun interface rather than eth0, actually.
[10:36] <mungbean> i only have eth0 and lo0
[10:37] <mungbean> i might be confused though, i dont know much about ip6
[10:37] <mungbean>  Xeon Processor E5-2660 8C 2.2GHz 20MB Cache 1600MHz 95
[10:37] <mungbean> woops
[10:37] <mungbean> http://pastebin.com/qahJhma0
[10:39] <mungbean> "The Intel Xeon Phi coprocessor runs Linux. It
[10:39] <mungbean> really is an x86 SMP-on-a-chip running Linux. "
[10:40] <mungbean> you can get a shell session on the card.
[10:42] <JamesTait> mungbean, ip -6 addr show eth0 will give you a bit more information about those addresses.
[10:43] <mungbean> most are  scope global temporary deprecated dynamic
[10:43] <mungbean> one is scope global dynamic
[10:44] <JamesTait> I think that means they were allocated by IPv6 privacy extensions and have been superseded, but I'm not sure.
[10:45] <JamesTait> The auto-configured IPv6 address normally contains your adapters MAC address in a trivially-encoded form, so the privacy extensions obfuscate that in some way.
[10:45] <JamesTait> At least that's how I understand it.  I'm not intimately familiar with the whole thing, tbh.
[10:45]  * JamesTait glosses over the missing apostrophe.
[10:48] <JamesTait> mungbean, so the global dynamic one (not temporary) should look startlingly similar to the MAC address of eth0. It'll have ff:fe in the middle.
[10:48] <JamesTait> And the first byte will be different (bit 2 is flipped, I think).
[11:03] <mungbean> hey,cloud cover, what's that?
[11:03] <mungbean> just in time for lunch :(
[11:05] <SuperMatt> cloud cover? is that were you drape a tarp over your cloud servers to stop them getting wet when facilities forgets to fix the loos in the floor above?
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: it's the money you pay to get into the cloud in the first place
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: like a cover charge
[11:20] <andylockran> hey dudes; anyone keen on varnish?  Can't work out how to avoid it caching either large files, or files by type?
[11:22] <andylockran> and I keep taking down the server when I try :(
[11:33] <Monotoko> I am absolutely fed up of dealing with link spam today
[11:33] <popey> and the day is young
[11:34] <Monotoko> indeed - how're you popey ?
[11:39] <BigRedS> andylockran: we've a varnish fan here, I'll ping him
[11:41] <kirrus> andylockran: hey, BigRedS told me you've a varnish question
[11:41] <kirrus> andylockran: it's easier to filter based on request, rather than file type/size, so for example, don't cache requests for ^/*.avi
[11:53] <andylockran> kirrus: thanks for getting back to me
[11:54] <andylockran> kirrus: does this make sense for you : http://pastebin.com/ym6wHP3A
[12:03] <neuro> temp outside is < 20º, yay
[12:04] <neuro> ooh, new email
[12:05] <neuro> from virgin atlantic
[12:05] <neuro> "We are always looking for ways we can improve to make your experience on future flights better and would be very grateful if you can spare around 5-8 minutes of your time to share your views."
[12:05] <neuro> *rubs hands together*
[12:06] <BigRedS> haha
[12:06] <kirrus> andylockran: that looks fine after a quick look, though varnish can choke on large files.. it might be worth piping the connection instead of passing
[12:08] <kirrus> andylockran: if I remember rightly, there's a bug in varnish that makes it crash the worker handling large files. Newer versions should be patched
[12:11] <neuro> hmm, didn't get much of a chance to put the boot in on virgin's flight survey other than to rate punctuality of the outbound flight as "poor" (it was over 3 hours before we got on a plane after the departure time)
[12:12] <BigRedS> I do like those surveys where the closest you can get to complaining is marking them as 0 for 'would you reccomend us to your friends'
[12:13] <neuro> i rated them a five
[12:13] <BigRedS> I had a council send me a survey about paying council tax. It asked me to rate my chances of doing it again...
[12:13] <neuro> the inbound flight was excellent
[12:13] <neuro> lol
[12:13] <BigRedS> haha
[12:14] <neuro> well, there's a difference between *wanting* to pay your council tax and actually *having* to pay it ... :)
[12:14] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[12:15] <neuro> i phoned up some credit types today who i have some old debt with that i'm paying off
[12:15] <neuro> wanted to get the current balance
[12:15] <neuro> and they said "oh and there's the other account with (blah blah) pounds on it"
[12:15] <neuro> i was like "whaaaaaat? when did i last pay anything against it?"
[12:15] <neuro> "oh, something something 2010"
[12:15] <neuro> OOPS
[12:16] <neuro> "um, so I should start paying something to that then, eh?" "yes, that would be great!" :)
[12:16] <neuro> glad i called now
[12:20] <neuro> "Sync failed. Please commit all your changes before syncing."
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[12:20] <neuro> GIIIIIIIIIT *shakes fist*
[12:21] <neuro> what happens when you work on stuff on one machine, then copy the changes to another machine, commit from there, then go back to the first machine ...
[12:28] <neuro> MartijnVdS: do you have a macro set up for that or something, you always seem to be able to type weird symbols pretty quickly :)
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I have, yes :)
[12:29] <neuro> ha, knew it
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> I also have:
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> ( ̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅ ̲̅]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅)
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[12:29] <neuro> what's the first one?
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sparadrap_2.jpg
[12:30] <mungbean> anyone here do backups of a gpfs filesystem?
[12:30] <neuro> weird
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: gpfs?
[12:30] <mungbean> yes, GPFS
[12:30] <neuro> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gpfs
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: an AIX box should be able to do it )
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[12:35] <mungbean> helpful--
[12:38] <popey> adding one drop of Daves Insanity Sauce to my lunchtime soup, probably not the best idea
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: concentrated capsaicin oil?
[12:42] <mungbean> that would hospitalise me
[12:42] <mungbean> i have intolerance to capsaicin
[12:43] <mungbean> my kryptonite
[12:48] <popey> just a bit
[12:49] <popey> apparently i should have dipped a toothpick in the bottle then dipped it in my soup
[12:49] <popey> and that would be sufficient
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> eek
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> and they sell this stuff to mortals?
[12:49] <popey> it was a present
[12:50] <popey> it was on my amazon wishlist
[13:41] <mungbean> who does quidco?
[13:42] <MartijnV1S> mungbean: as in, who owns it, or who uses it?
[13:42] <mungbean> (3)
[13:42] <mungbean> woops (2) who uses it
[13:42] <mungbean> Claim your
[13:43] <mungbean> £5 bonus
[13:43] <mungbean> We've extended your bonus for another week and doubled it! The rules are the same - simply purchase at any retailer before midnight Sunday, 14 July.
[13:43] <Monotoko> the hell is quidco?
[13:43] <mungbean> however no T&C are provided so unsure what the conditions are
[13:43] <mungbean> quidco is an afficilate company. you buy after clicking their links and you get a bit of the afficiliate moneys
[13:44] <Monotoko> ahhh... like the thing my ol' boss used to sell dumb people for $2000...
[13:46]  * bigcalm shakes fist at VirginMedia's cable modem and then at their DNS servers
[13:46]  * bigcalm hugs opendns
[13:48] <mungbean> hear the yum lead dev got killed? :(
[13:48] <MartijnV1S> yeah, hit & run by a car while bicycling or something?
[13:48] <mungbean> yeah
[14:07] <neuro> weirdest linkedin connection request in a while
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> neuro: oh?
[14:07] <neuro> some random guy from canada wearing a cowboy hat and tan leather jacket, employment says a B&B from 2011-2013 and he's written a book
[14:07] <neuro> um
[14:07] <neuro> ok?
[14:07] <neuro> *ignore*
[14:07] <neuro> *i don't know this person*
[14:07] <neuro> weird
[14:08] <BigRedS> but surely you want to know this person!
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> and/or buy his book
[14:08] <neuro> my opinion would appear to veer towards the contrary
[14:09] <mungbean> linkback mountain
[14:10] <neuro> it's actually quite easy to quit linkedin :)
[14:12] <BigRedS> I use linkedin only when it emails me
[14:13] <neuro> i really only use it if/when i'm job hunting
[14:19]  * bigcalm tickles freenode
[14:23] <davmor2> freenode screams in shock and instantly finds a solicitor to sue bigcalm for harassment
[14:42] <bigcalm> I've had enough of today. I want steak now
[14:45] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: that sounds like a wonderful idea
[14:46] <SuperMatt> I wish to subscribe to your magazine
[14:46] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: well, if you had a LUG meeting tonight, you too could have steak
[14:46] <SuperMatt> why don't I have a LUG tonight?
[14:46] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: join the Wolves LUG, have steak!
[14:47] <SuperMatt> but I don't live near wolves!
[14:47] <bigcalm> I would say 'sucks to be you'. But not living near Wolverhampton is a good thing ;)
[14:48]  * davmor2 steaks bigcalm ,  I didn't realise he was a vampire but you have to admire his honesty :)
[14:49] <SuperMatt> is anyone here a member of a london LUG?
[14:50] <mungbean> wow, who are these people buying ": EXT4 defrag tool HDD Ranger, priced at $7.99" from software centre
[14:51] <SuperMatt> sure
[14:51] <SuperMatt> why not?
[14:51] <SuperMatt> defragging still works to some extent ;)
[14:51] <mungbean> :-|
[14:51] <SuperMatt> but yeah, it's one of those things that everyone thinks is the magical cure
[14:52] <SuperMatt> I imagine it's because it took so freaking long, back in the day
[14:52] <SuperMatt> anything that takes so long must be good
[14:52] <mungbean> $7.99?
[14:52] <SuperMatt> yeah, I know
[14:52] <mungbean> for some snake oil?
[14:52] <SuperMatt> it's silly
[14:53] <directhe`> defragging helps, on moderately full filesystems
[14:53] <directhe`> it doesn't do anything on mostly empty ones
[14:53] <SuperMatt> which is most disks these days
[14:54] <directhe`> the command "filefrags" will tell you how fragmented a given file is
[14:54] <directhe`> e.g.
[14:54] <directhe`> directhex@barnabas:~/Downloads$ filefrag en-gb_windows_8_x64_dvd_915412.iso
[14:54] <directhe`> en-gb_windows_8_x64_dvd_915412.iso: 95 extents found
[14:54] <SuperMatt> can it tell you how fragmented a filesystem is?
[14:55] <directhe`> no, because that doesn't mean anything in linux filesystems
[14:56] <directhe`> windows packs filesystems from the start, so any time a file grows, it becomes fragmented. linux packs filesystems randomly so often, growing files does not incur a fragmentation penalty as there is free space to grow, on a per-file basis
[14:58] <SuperMatt> gotcha
[15:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: you so scary
[15:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know
[15:06]  * bigcalm kicks nickserv
[15:06] <bigcalm> Does w3m have an in page search feature?
[15:06] <mungbean> xen server now has ARM support...
[15:06] <davmor2> mungbean: ex-windows users at a guess who believe it is necessary :)
[15:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: I think so try either /word or ctrl+g I can't remember if it's options were based on nano or vim
[15:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you find out which it is?
[15:20] <bigcalm> I ended up using wget and then less on the file :)
[15:33] <bigcalm> Somebody is having a bad day on freenode
[15:59] <bigcalm> 2.5 hours to steak
[15:59] <christel> mmsteak
[16:02] <brobostigon> :) nomnom
[16:02] <neuro> dammit, now i want steak
[16:11] <bigcalm> \o/
[16:11] <bigcalm> Tonight my steak will be at a Weatherspoon's. So you don't need to be too jealous
[16:16] <neuro> s/Weat/Wet/
[16:16] <neuro> sorry :)
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> wetter spoons?
[16:17] <neuro> vetter schpoons
[16:18] <mgdm> neuro: I showed that RBS logo thing to someone from work who was working on the site for it. Turned out he designed the logo. 'Ooops'.
[16:18] <neuro> hahaha nice
[16:19] <neuro> what was the reaction?
[16:19] <mgdm> neuro: not suitable for a family channel
[16:19] <neuro> Due to the unique way Freenode is funded, other channels are available :)
[16:31]  * bigcalm hugs christel 
[16:31]  * christel hugs bigcalm 
[16:31] <neuro> every time i get a global notice, i think the op that's sending it is /msg'ing me
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> christel: ah, is that why I got disconnected from a v6 host earlier?
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> Poor network..
[16:32] <bigcalm> neuro: you can troll people by sending them a notice and begin it with [Global Notice]
[16:32] <neuro> :)
[16:32] <neuro> MartijnVdS: you're lucky, i can't do v6 irc
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> but.. private messages get their own window for me
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> while the op messages go in 1
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> with the status messages
[16:32] <christel> neuro: I SEND THEM TO YOU ONLY
[16:32] <neuro> he.net block irc egress :(
[16:32] <christel> :D
[16:32] <neuro> christel: awwww :)
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> neuro: \o/ bigv.io
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that ended up in the channel
[16:32] <neuro> MartijnVdS: bloody expensive
[16:32] <bigcalm> Shame
[16:32] <bigcalm> :D
[16:33] <neuro> and also doesn't solve my ipv6 at home problem :)
[16:33] <bigcalm> I wondered if you could do it to a channel or just a nick. Back to work I go
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: come to .nl, we get 100mbit fibre AND ipv6 :)
[16:33] <neuro> MartijnVdS: don't make me come over there
[16:33] <neuro> oh wait
[16:34] <neuro> see the thing is, i have 80mbit fibre and ipv6
[16:34] <neuro> actually 2x80Mbit fibre and ipv6
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> but not at home/
[16:34] <neuro> just that opening irc outbound is a pain in the bum
[16:34] <neuro> yes, at home
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> but not native ipv6 then
[16:34] <neuro> no, he.net tunnel
[16:34] <neuro> which is good enough, i guess
[16:34]  * MartijnVdS just dhcpv6's on the pppoe link
[16:35] <neuro> most of my traffic goes via london anyway
[16:35] <neuro> worst case i get an extra ms or two on the latency
[16:35] <neuro> throughput seems reasonable too
[16:36] <neuro> bt and sky both have a habit of adopting reasonable features and policies eventually, so i've no doubt at some point i'll have native ipv6
[16:36] <neuro> no idea how that'll work multihomed, but there you go
[16:36]  * neuro shakes fist at bytemark
[16:37] <neuro> "yay, look at us, 1GiB servers from £10 a month! Big sticker graphic! £10 a month! Look! £10!"
[16:37] <neuro> "<font size=-100>Excludes VAT</font>"
[16:38] <bigcalm> 20p
[16:38] <bigcalm> Erm £2
[16:38] <bigcalm> If it were a business expense, you could claim that 2 quid back
[16:38] <neuro> lol
[16:39] <neuro> i was about to say
[16:39] <bigcalm> I feed them £18 for my yummy vps
[16:39] <neuro> that would be interesting
[16:39] <neuro> since i'm not vat registered
[16:39] <bigcalm> You tax dodger you!
[16:39] <directhe`> you don't need to register for VAT if your revenue is below... £53k a year, iirc?
[16:39] <bigcalm> The Moon Under Water better have working air con tonight
[16:40] <neuro> how is not registering to avoid paying VAT tax dodging, you pillock? :)
[16:40] <neuro> directhe`: i thought it was 65k
[16:40] <neuro> been a while since i looked
[16:40] <directhe`> 79k!
[16:40] <neuro> i've never pulled that much revenue in per annum anyway, so
[16:40] <neuro> really?
[16:40] <neuro> woof
[16:41] <directhe`> http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm
[16:43] <neuro> wow
[16:43] <neuro> just logged into my bytemark account
[16:43] <neuro> the registered credit card's expiry date is in 2010
[16:43] <neuro> so it's been a while :)
[16:44] <bigcalm> When was the last time you paid them?
[16:44] <neuro> probably the last time i had a VM with them
[16:44] <neuro> which was some time ago
[16:45] <neuro> ha
[16:45] <neuro> just searched my mail for 'bytemark'
[16:46] <neuro> i sold my old sony blu ray player to matthew :)
[16:46] <neuro> back in 2010
[16:48] <bigcalm> Can one list the commit messages from HEAD back to a given tag in git?
[16:48] <directhe`> yes.
[16:48] <bigcalm> I really should ask open questions :)
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> git log [revision range]
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> but how to specify a revision range..
[16:48] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ta
[16:48] <directhe`> git log foo..HEAD
[16:49] <MartijnVdS>            see the "Specifying Ranges" section of gitrevisions(7).
[16:49] <directhe`> e.g. git log 4a46aae5878ca39f531a686e13ee630548d6b4a3..HEAD
[16:49] <Darael> bigcalm: As a shortcut, omit the HEAD from what directhe` said.  If either since or until in the since..until form is omitted it'll default to HEAD.
[16:50] <Darael> So git log foo.. is the same as git log foo..HEAD.
[16:50] <bigcalm> Good to know. Thank you peeps :)
[16:50] <bigcalm> git log v1.0.0..
[16:50] <bigcalm> Perfecet
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> 1.0.0?
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> isn't that pre-electricity?
[16:51] <directhe`> you want a tag, then, not a revision?
[16:51] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Very much depends on the poject, no?
[16:51] <Darael> directhe`: That is, looking at the log, what the question was, yes.
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> Darael: well git is at 1.6(?) now
[16:52] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Yeah, but there's no reason to assume bigcalm is wanting git logs for git itself.
[16:52] <directhe`> funny thing is, it works anyway
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> sure, but if "git log" outputs a version that's not its own.. what then?
[16:52] <directhe`>        <refname>, e.g. master, heads/master, refs/heads/master
[16:52] <directhe`>             3. otherwise, refs/tags/<refname> if it exists;
[16:52] <directhe`> so if there's a v1.0.0 tag, it'll Just Work
[16:53] <bigcalm> Best not have a branch called that then
[16:53] <bigcalm> Yes, v1.0.0 is a tag name. Soon to create the v1.0.1 tag
[16:53] <Darael> MartijnVdS: It outputs the log for the current repository, surely.  Why should we assume bigcalm is in git's own source repo, rather than a git repo for something else?
[16:54] <bigcalm> I assure you that I am not in the git git repo
[16:54] <bigcalm> ;)
[16:54] <Darael> Precisely.
[16:55] <Darael> ...would git 1.0 even *be* in the git git repo?  At what point did they start keeping git in git?
[16:55] <directhe`> bitkeeper!
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> directhe`: heh, we actually still use that at work
[17:00] <bigcalm> 1.5 hours to steak!
[17:00] <bigcalm> And I should stop working at this point
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: T-bone minus 01:30:00 ?
[17:00] <bigcalm> Haha
[17:00] <christel> !
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> !!
[17:00] <christel> i really fancy steak now
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> go to bigcalm
[17:01] <christel> he is so far away!
[17:01] <bigcalm> I would have fillet if they had it. Will make do with sirloin
[17:01] <christel> and he only offers weatherspoons...
[17:01] <christel> ;)
[17:02] <bigcalm> christel: this is (one of) the downside to Wolverhampton
[17:03]  * brobostigon has pork steaks for tea. 
[17:03] <christel> hehe lack of decent steak? :)
[17:03] <christel> i texted gareth and informed him that i expected him to divert via waitrose to pick up steak for tea
[17:03] <christel> :s
[17:03] <christel> (i also expect him to cook it when he returns home!)
[17:03] <bigcalm> Haha
[17:04] <christel> i havent told him the latter part yet
[17:05] <bigcalm> Will be a nice surprise for him :)
[17:05] <brobostigon> :)
[17:05] <christel> fsvo nice ;)
[17:10] <bigcalm> New wine rack please: http://www.designlaunches.com/lifestyle/gottacha_wine_rack_dont_try_and_dart_the_bottle.php
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> does anyone else have the "new" google maps on android yet?
[17:17] <brobostigon> yes.
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> I got it earlier today
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> it looks a lot like the new web-based maps
[17:20] <brobostigon> yes.
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> I'll miss offline maps
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> and Latitude is now in Google+ I think?
[17:20] <brobostigon> osmand to the rescue,
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I'll just get local data sims until Neelie's plans are done ;)
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (big pan-European mobile providers)
[17:21] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> (who.. can't charge for roaming!)
[17:21] <brobostigon> :)
[17:29] <popey> you can still do offline maps
[17:29] <popey> you have to type "OK Maps" into the search field
[17:30] <popey> apparently
[17:30] <brobostigon> i heard that aswell, not tested it.
[17:31] <brobostigon> doesnt work here, it just sent me to oklahoma.
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> popey: oh?
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> popey: sounds "OK Glass"ish.. or trollish
[17:34] <popey> yeah
[17:34] <popey> its in their official blog post
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> can I un-cache as well?
[17:35] <popey> i haz no idea
[17:35] <popey> i dont have the new app yet
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> the new navigation auto-routes around obstructions, apparently
[19:03]  * neuro just watched jono rather tactfully negotiate ubuntu on air questions from some numpty from morocco using a rather rude nick
[19:04] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[19:29] <neuro> MartijnVdS: can't believe you recommended bigv.io to me earlier :)
[19:29] <neuro> what a total disaster
[19:41] <czajkowski> Laney: popey  http://i.imgur.com/vzKoS83.gif
[19:42] <AlanBell> that is quite possibly better than a cat on a roomba wearing a shark suit
[19:53] <mungbean> my wife baked a big batch of choc brownies \o/]
[19:54] <brobostigon> yum
[19:55] <mungbean> my workmates never appreciate them
[19:55] <mungbean> seem not to eat cake
[19:56] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[19:59] <mungbean> 29 degrees on saturda
[20:04] <Laney> czajkowski: now that is travel in style
[20:08] <ali1234> "the floor is lava"
[20:19] <n1md4> hi
[20:19] <n1md4> can any one help with booting to openbox automatically?
[20:20] <n1md4> i'm thinking startx, xinitrc.. that sholud do it, but I can't figure how to auto-start startx
[20:21] <AlanBell> n1md4: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox has some instructions on how to get it to turn up in the lightdm screen
[20:22] <AlanBell> or maybe GDM
[20:22] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession#LightDM_configuration is probably the answer for lightdm
[20:24] <n1md4> i've read those.  the system requirements are pretty tight, as it's an htpc, i don't want to install a display manager
[20:25] <n1md4> so, ideally auto-launching startx .. is there something I could put in upstart .. or something :\
[20:36] <diddledan> n1md4: is rc.local still executed at boot these days? if so then you can use that
[20:46] <n1md4> diddledan: not sure, ubuntu changed a bunch of stuff (some time ago) since then I never know.
[20:49] <diddledan> /etc/init.d/rc3.d/S99rc.local exists on my system so I'm assuming creating /etc/rc.local as executable bash script will work fine
[20:49] <diddledan> ergh
[20:49] <diddledan> --init.d
[20:49] <diddledan> /etc/rc3.d/S99rc.local linked to /etc/init.d/rc.local
[20:51] <mungbean_> does lightdm use resource when you are runnig the openbox though? its very light
[23:15] <diddledan> ok. I'm wondering why ubuntu installer is failing to boot on my desktop over there --> it's running a gigabyte hybridefi system which makes it a pain to begin with, but the problem isn't with that it's after grub has been dismissed. the system seems to hang after the kernel is loaded but before the initrd is executed
[23:15] <diddledan> I've had ubuntu on there before so it's definitely capable
[23:16] <diddledan> I'm thinking maybe there's an issue with the fact it's currently got windows 8 installed on it which doens't like to shutdown properly (windows 8 seems to prefer to suspend to disk in response to "shutdown")
[23:19] <directhex> diddledan, you can disable that
[23:20] <directhex> http://www.typicaltips.com/2013/02/disable-fast-startup-in-windows-8.html
[23:22] <diddledan> oooh
[23:22] <diddledan> ty
[23:23] <diddledan> ok, trying again with fast startup disabled
[23:24] <diddledan> nope, that wasn't it
[23:25] <diddledan> perhaps the bios is just fscked in the brain
[23:27] <diddledan> it completely locks up to the point that the keyboard is unresponsive.. and always in the same place: dismiss grub, get a spurious warning about being unable to read a disc sector on hd0 and the "press any key to continue" message, then nada
[23:27] <diddledan> pressing any key don't work, and the dvd doesn't run merrily away reading stuff, so it's defo hung
[23:29] <diddledan> I've tried two separate drives. and each one has different problems - an ide using an ide-to-sata bridge gets to the point I've just detailed, and a native sata bluray drive just hangs before grub gets loaded with the flashy cursor in the top-left of the screen
[23:30] <diddledan> gonna try an apple usb superdrive next
[23:31] <directhex> so you're trying to boot the installer in efi mode, not legacy
[23:31] <diddledan> yup
[23:32] <directhex> what's the motherboard?
[23:33] <diddledan> gigabyte 990-fxa-ud5 (the version before they put a real efi bios in)
[23:33] <diddledan> I think real efi came in version 3
[23:35] <directhex> it's entirely likely that the fake efi implementation is confusing the hell out of the kernel
[23:35] <directhex> i doubt gigabyte tested much beyond windows 7
[23:36] <diddledan> they're supposed to have used the tiano-core(?) implementation from intel
[23:36] <directhex> parts of it
[23:36] <diddledan> which is efi on-top of bios
[23:36] <diddledan> they completely failed to include the shell tho
[23:36] <diddledan> which sucks
[23:38] <directhex> putting efi on top of bios makes as much sense as gluing wheels to a horse. silly gigabyte.
[23:42] <directhex> i'm showing problems for people with that exact motherboard, dating from last year
[23:43] <directhex> to be honest, if i were you, and i had a firmware made of cheese, i'd abandon getting it to boot via efi, and settle for good old 1970s BIOS emulation. well, not emulation in this case
[23:44] <diddledan> mmm, cheese
[23:44] <diddledan> :-)
[23:44] <diddledan> thing is, I'm sure I've had it booting through efi before, which just makes me annoyed the more
[23:45] <diddledan> oh well.. was worth the try.. back to non-efi
[23:46] <diddledan> means either I reinstall windows OR virtualise it
[23:46] <directhex> well, not neccessarily
[23:46] <directhex> linux can boot from a GPT disk, in BIOS mode
[23:46] <directhex> if you can beat your firmware into allowing it, you can have an EFI OS and a BIOS OS both installed to the same GPT disk, and usable
[23:47] <directhex> the only issue is trying to boot BIOS Windows from GPT, which doesn't work
[23:47] <directhex> but that's not what you're trying to achieve
[23:48] <diddledan> yeah, that's not gonna happen. the bios has exactly one option for efi-related stuff: "EFI CD/DVD Boot Option" with the choice of "Non-EFI", "EFI", and "Auto"
[23:48] <diddledan> auto references the size of disk rather than what's on it
[23:49] <diddledan> i.e. >2.2TB = EFI; <2.2TB = BIOS
[23:50] <diddledan> bit of FUD there: "EFI is essential to support >2.2TB HDD"
[23:52] <directhex> weeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllll................
[23:52] <directhex> GPT is defined in the EFI spec
[23:52] <directhex> and GPT is needed to support >2.2T HDD
[23:52] <directhex> so it's not a total lie, more a lie of omission