=== Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [06:45] hi mazal and others [06:50] More oom Kilos [07:01] Do you guys know if Kubuntu shares the same support and release cycle as main Ubuntu , or can point me in the right direction with a link. IE , is Kubuntu also only supported for 9 months now ? [07:02] kubuntu uses all the ubuntu stuff and more from same repos [07:02] So also 9 months support only ? [07:03] i spose so thats why im staying 12.04 for now [07:03] hi Vince-0 [07:08] Found this on their wiki: [07:08] Raring Ringtail [07:08] [07:08] 13.04 [07:08] [07:08] April 25, 2013 [07:08] [07:08] Supported until January 2014 [07:08] To be Released [07:08] [07:08] Version [07:08] [07:08] Release Schedule [07:09] [07:09] Support Date [07:09] Saucy Salamander [07:09] [07:09] 13.10 [07:09] [07:09] October 17, 2013 [07:09] [07:09] Supported until July 2014 [07:09] Oh sorry sorry guys , didn't know it will paste it that badly. [07:09] So yes , that confirms it , 6 months [07:09] Ag , 9months even [07:10] thats fine if you want to keep growing with each release [07:10] with no data cap theres no prob [07:10] good morning all [07:10] hi magespawn [07:11] all has left, its just us 3 now [07:11] still sitting at around 40 lurjers though [07:11] lurkers [07:12] Morning magespawn [07:12] hi mazal [07:13] Kilos, this October I'm gonna do online upgrade for the first time ever. I always do fresh install. But want to give that a go and see [07:13] on a server mazal ? [07:13] No , my desktop pc at home [07:14] Server is LTS , I don't muck about with my server [07:14] the fly always does it that way [07:15] from what i can make out most of the drastic changes are in the gui environment anyway [07:15] I'm nervous what will happen with all my configs and currently installed apps and current sources list. But gonna try it and see [07:15] I will probably have to manually edit and correct the sources list after upgrade [07:15] backup backup backup [07:15] Many of them contain the release name mos [07:16] Or maybe the upgrade does that automatically [07:16] it usually disables all non standard sources entries before upgrade [07:16] magespawn, fortunately I have very severe and very paranoid backups :-) [07:16] tonberryE352, and after upgrade , one need to enable it manually ? [07:16] nothing to worry about then [07:17] My stuff is on like 4 places backed up and in variuos ways as well lol [07:17] yes [07:17] And the gpg keys ? [07:17] i think they are kept [07:18] it just comments out the entries in sources.list [07:18] so you just update the release name and uncomment them [07:20] Ok that be easy then [07:21] Sjoe , because new install so much work and takes so much time that I want to try the upgrade route for all non-lts and then fresh install on lts when that comes [07:26] haai [07:28] Lo Vince-0 [07:37] lol , I like the upgrade guide. Click on upgrade and if you get stuck ASKUbuntu lol [07:37] hehe [07:38] I'm looking for an upgrade guide that I can read so long and see what is all the little things to keep in mind. I still have plenty of time to study it [07:38] i did it once in update manager, only one tick needed [07:38] But Ubuntu's guide isn't mcuh help hehehe [07:39] it shows the new release at the top [07:39] Yeah that bit I got , but I want to know detail of little things like the sources list for example. Little things like that one needs to check afterwards [07:40] And I would like a document so that I minimize bothering ppl with questions [07:40] you can look in update manager as well for the sources list [07:41] settings i think its called [07:41] there you can enable/disabled certain sources or add sources [07:46] Everything I found so far ends at "follow on screen instructions". Is it really that simple ? [07:46] yeah [07:46] just takes a long time [07:46] What is on avarage the size of the download ? [07:47] the fly uses a command to do it [07:47] I know every release will differ , but the average about ? [07:47] 800meg i think [07:47] k [07:47] from 700 to 800 [07:48] And for me on a fresh install take well over 1gig to add everything that needs to be added [07:48] So I will save a bit of data and all the time of installing and configuring everything [07:49] The time saving is what I'm looking for mainly [08:10] hi confluency_ psyatw [08:10] Raak nou rof hier , nou net gehoor en gaan kyk , een van ons kantore is aan die brand gesteek laasnag [08:11] Gelukkig nie helemal vlam gevat nie. Parafien en brandende koerant papier ingegooi [08:11] ai! [08:12] verkeerde skelms toe gesluit [08:15] hi Kilos [08:16] hectic mazal [08:16] hi psyatw [08:18] Looks like I will be taking backups home from now on [08:18] any idea what the person was trying to do? [08:24] We don't know [08:24] get warm [08:24] hehe [08:24] It can be an attack against the whole building , or against that specific office [08:24] Maybe to destroy records being kept in that office [08:26] hi magespawn [08:26] hihoi mazal [08:27] Hi psyatw [08:27] good morning [08:28] lo inetpro [08:28] Morning inetpro [08:29] oh and hi Kilos, mazal, psyatw, magespawn, Vince-0, tonberryE352 [08:29] hehe [08:29] twit [08:30] hey inetpro [08:30] all the earlybirds of the day [08:30] Is al laat man [08:30] ja maar julle is vroeger as ek [08:30] hehehe [08:31] hi inetpro [08:41] inetpro, I understand you do upgrades via the upgrade over internet route ? ( new release upgrades ) [08:42] mazal: hmm... I have done them yes but for my desktops I generally prefer to stick to LTS versions and a relatively fresh install every few years [08:43] I say relative because I keep some configs and obviously my own data [08:45] but as far as I remember superfly does regular upgrading as the releases become available [08:46] my ears are burning [08:46] mazal: in general Kubuntu does not have as many significant differences between versions as Ubuntu has at this stage [08:47] hi superfly [08:47] hi inetpro [08:47] morning superfly [08:47] morning Kilos [08:48] superfly: what version you running on your desktop now? [08:48] still 13.04 [08:48] hey superfly [08:48] Is there anything else after upgrade apart from my sources list that I need to correct after an upgrade , inetpro ? [08:48] yo magespawn [08:48] hi theblazehen [08:48] mazal: if you're doing it right, you don't change anything, you let the upgrade do it all for you [08:48] mazal: ^^ [08:48] Sjoe it sounds so easy [08:49] It's struggling to compute :-) [08:49] it is, it's one step: do-release-upgrade [08:49] or do-release-upgrade -d if you want to catch the beta [08:49] the days of changing your sources by hand are over [08:49] k [08:50] I'm going that route October for the first time [08:51] Wanted to start studying manuals so long [08:52] mazal: just do it [08:52] hehe [08:53] do it in a VM if you're not sure [08:53] I'm not a VM guy [08:53] I either do a thing or don't do a thing hehehehe [08:53] Would you suggest that apt-get command over the gui way ? Is apt-get's way better way to go ? [08:54] inetpro, you got your twitter working yet? [08:54] Kilos: eish Kilos, not really [08:54] ai! [08:54] actually enjoying a bit time away from twitter [08:55] mazal: what apt-get command? [08:55] you gotta post about mondays meeting man [08:55] do-release-upgrade , I assume that is with apt-get or am I wrong ? [08:55] Kilos: ai! [08:55] no [08:55] it's a command [08:56] @~:$ do-release-upgrade [08:56] Ah ok, is that preferable over the gui way in update manager ? [08:56] And if yes , just with sudo , or in root mode with sudo su first ? [08:57] the fly always uses the best way mazal [08:57] mazal: it'll launch a little GUI if you're running X [08:57] otherwise it just does a CLI version [08:57] and no need to use sudo, it'll ask for sudo when it needs it [08:57] Ok thanx guys === confluency_ is now known as confluency [08:58] and I use Kubuntu, so I don't know much of how the Ubuntu update manager works [08:58] Looks like I don't need any studying for this [08:58] but I also tend to upgrade when the beta comes out so the upgrade manager doesn't know about it yet [08:58] Just my lots of paranoid backups [08:59] for a Kubuntu upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaringUpgrades/Kubuntu [09:02] Mine will be for ubuntu , but thanx for that one. I am going to start playing with kubunu as well when the time is available [09:02] But won't upgrade the K one for now. Must still play and learn it [09:02] the command is the same for both [09:04] K [09:05] It all sounds so easy I can't wait for October now to try it lol [09:07] hehe [09:13] http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/07/20-resources-for-learning-web-design-development/ some learning resources for those with an interest [09:14] and some more https://www.learnsmartsystems.com some of these are free [09:17] magespawn, where you find free hosts for websites [09:17] the free ones are all tiny [09:18] most of them are yes, or with restrictions about what you can do [09:19] there has been one advertised on facebook lately, let me see if I can find a link [09:19] can one use a local server to host it? [09:19] local server? [09:20] one is south africa? [09:20] like your own server pc [09:20] you can but it is really not recommended [09:21] most servers on the net have insane connection and bandwidth compared to a home machine [09:21] i was just thinking then one can learn the designing part without any restrictions [09:21] and format it when gavvol [09:22] and not use lotsa data of course [09:22] you can install LAMP with ubuntu server for your own use, access it on your own network [09:23] then you can learn the how to set up a website with practice [09:23] ok ty [09:24] i gotta get iptables energy going again first [09:30] cool, of course i cannot find that advert now [09:30] hehe [09:31] yay i can ping each other. yesterday they didnt wanna [09:33] nice Kilos [09:34] lol i did nothing they njeeded to sleep first looks like [09:34] needed [09:34] adsl line is taking strain today, lots of updates on various machines, kids playing flash games, and a steam update [09:35] ai! [09:35] is there any fibre in hluhluwe yet [09:39] and mainly is there any to hluhluwe [09:39] strangely enough there actually is, it does not seem to make much difference, it is the main line only not the last mile to business/house [09:40] it will cost laying fibre to where you are [09:41] maybe one can buy the fibre cable somewhere else and lay it yourself and just get one of them okes to do the connecting part for you [09:41] one of the guys that subcontract to eskom that is [09:42] offer him lotsa pineapples [09:42] would need the output of one of the local farms, I am sure [09:42] huh? [09:42] i dont understand that [09:43] oh you mean in pines haha [09:44] the tools for doing fibre cable work are expensive [09:57] hi nocware [09:59] hey kilos.. [09:59] hmm... im missing something in my saved iptables file [09:59] can ping 8.8.8.8 from second pc but cant update [10:08] oh my net splits again [10:16] superfly, just a pointer please. i can ping 8.8.8.8 from second machine but cant browse from there. had the same thing last year and you fixed it [10:16] maybe i forgot to save your instauctions [10:16] or lost them' [10:17] instructions [10:20] i think it was something simple as well [10:36] Kilos: DNS is not set up correctly [10:37] i have 8.8.8.8 in it will look more ty === Spaceghost is now known as Guest87357 [12:01] wb Kilos [12:01] ty charl [12:10] Kilos: your /etc/resolv.conf must have the following entry (for more info see: man resolv.conf) [12:10] nameserver 8.8.8.8 [12:12] ty inetpro ive done something stupid, cant even ping 8.8.8.8 from there anymore and eth disconnects and reconnects every minute [12:12] grrr [12:17] wbb === space is now known as Guest85240 [12:18] Maaz seen hecticza [12:18] mazal: hecticza was last seen 17 days, 1 hour, 54 minutes and 8 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-06-23 03:24:30 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-06-23 03:24:38 PDT === Guest85240 is now known as Spaceghost [12:33] Squirm, can you give me that method of adding nameserver in resolv.conf remember it has a default and whatever one adds in there gets overwritten [12:33] i will remember to save the info this time [12:35] inetpro, ai! [12:35] you and man [12:36] Kilos: man is the solution to all your problems [12:36] not mine man [12:36] grrr [12:36] all very nicely documented in a lot of detail [12:36] you know that [12:38] start reading from the top and from left to right, it's not difficult [12:38] * Kilos throws bricks at inetpro [12:38] :-) [12:40] but i remember squirm had the workaround to it overwriting itself everytime [12:40] Have a good evening everyone [12:40] Bye [12:40] cheers mazal [12:40] ai! [12:45] Kilos: add it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head [12:45] ty [12:49] inetpro, see^^ [12:49] wbb gonna try a reboot [12:50] Squirm: ahh, that is a nice one that I have seen [12:52] and it's even documented in a man page as well (man resolvconf) [12:54] Kilos: man resolvconf [12:54] inetpro, where in man does it tell you to add it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head [12:54] ai! [12:54] :-) [12:54] * Kilos goes to man resolvconf [12:56] resolvconf --enable-updates? [13:00] Kilos: read further down in the file [13:00] I mean in the man page [13:00] ai! [13:04] Kilos: normally you should not be editing these files on a desktop, that is why you have a network manager [13:04] and in fact, now that you have a router/switch you should go back to using the nm [13:05] unless you can tell us another reason why you should edit the file by hand === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [14:26] ai! [14:43] oh my even chanserv is killed [14:43] sup magespawn ? [14:46] not much Kilos [14:47] you busy playing games or watching movies [14:53] Kilos: at least your conversation is still logged by ubuntulog_ [14:54] hahaha [14:54] shup you [14:54] i dont need logs then everyone can see me sukkel [15:03] who is this net_ekke that pops in and out daily [15:04] ChanServ, wb === Tonberry is now known as Guest46014 [15:07] oh my even spanne bessies became a guest [15:15] Kilos: waiting for a windows backup to complete [15:15] and some printing for a customer [15:15] ah [15:43] watching the security + lectures on learnsmart [15:44] security is big business today [15:48] hi Mezenir [16:06] sup Vince-0 - Vince-0 has quit (Read error: No buffer space available) [16:06] lools [16:06] did you put that in there [16:06] hehe [16:07] you bye message [16:07] I don't believe so [16:07] might be on my laptop [16:08] hey Vince-0 [16:08] brb restart [16:16] right back [16:16] wb [16:17] looks like netsplit has it in for chanserv [16:17] yip [16:19] i have to have the worlds slowest printer [16:19] lol [16:20] printing out 18 A4 photo quality full colour prints, i think it takes about 3-5min per page [16:20] whew [16:22] going to be here all night [16:22] ai! [16:22] also that windows restore is still going on [16:22] xp? [16:22] sometimes that takes ages [16:24] no 7 [16:27] so we will do something productive with out time then [16:27] http://xkcd.com/662/ [16:28] whats that [16:29] good thought http://xkcd.com/659/ [16:30] you call that propuctive hehe [16:31] someone should find them attackers and hang them [16:32] ten years jail without parole [16:32] no fines [16:33] and no pcs or cell phones allowed [16:33] what attackers are that Kilos? [16:34] s/that/those [16:34] -christel- [Global Notice] As you may have noticed we appear to have trotted over the grumpy troll's bridge -- the network is currently being attacked and as a result we're temporarily without services as we work to get a working copy of the db fired up elsewhere. Apologies for the inconvenience. [16:34] someone should find them attackers and hang t [16:34] http://xkcd.com/644/ [16:34] bored little script kiddies [16:41] http://xkcd.com/627/ Kilos [16:42] hahaha [16:42] ssounds like me [16:58] Kilos: i think most of the time the people either do not know what they are doing or they are simple bored [16:59] which people magespawn [17:02] the ones attacking freenode [17:06] yeah whats that about, got the notice [17:07] i am off home later all\ [17:08] yo kbmonkey [17:08] k magespawn [17:09] that was a long-ass day [17:10] its is just astounding how I can spend almost every waking hour staring at a screen. [17:10] lol [17:54] sigh === Guest46014 is now known as Tonberry_ [18:01] well most of us are still here [18:03] yeah [18:03] zzzz barely [18:07] hehehe [18:08] go sleep man [18:10] nah, then I'd wake up and it would be work again! that is not a pleasant thought so no thanks ;) [18:10] can sleep when I'm dead [18:10] hahaha [18:10] kekeke [18:11] have a cuppa coffee [18:20] I've been knocking the tea. coffee is finished. will have to get some [18:22] nickserver dead? [18:22] yeah and chanserv [18:23] ddos attacks again or something bmg505 [18:23] they are moving at the moment [18:27] no announcements on their page yet, got a notice about 2 hours ago soemone is rampaging against freenode [18:27] there were 2 just now kbmonkey [18:27] -mist- [Global Notice] Sorry for the continued lack of services, we're currently moving it to an alternate location. Thanks for your patience. [18:28] first one was 2 hours ago [18:28] but all day we been net splitting [18:32] night all. sleep tight [18:32] gn Kilos [18:38] Goodbye :) === Spaceghost is now known as Guest58025 === Guest58025 is now known as Spaceghost === space is now known as Guest25617 === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za