[06:45] <Kilos> hi mazal and others
[06:50] <mazal> More oom Kilos 
[07:01] <mazal> Do you guys know if Kubuntu shares the same support and release cycle as main Ubuntu , or can point me in the right direction with a link. IE , is Kubuntu also only supported for 9 months now ?
[07:02] <Kilos> kubuntu uses all the ubuntu stuff and more from same repos
[07:02] <mazal> So also 9 months support only ?
[07:03] <Kilos> i spose so thats why im staying 12.04 for now
[07:03] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:08] <mazal> Found this on their wiki:
[07:08] <mazal> Raring Ringtail
[07:08] <mazal> 	
[07:08] <mazal> 13.04
[07:08] <mazal> 	
[07:08] <mazal> April 25, 2013
[07:08] <mazal> 	
[07:08] <mazal> Supported until January 2014
[07:08] <mazal> To be Released
[07:08] <mazal> 	
[07:08] <mazal> Version
[07:08] <mazal> 	
[07:08] <mazal> Release Schedule
[07:09] <mazal> 	
[07:09] <mazal> Support Date
[07:09] <mazal> Saucy Salamander
[07:09] <mazal> 	
[07:09] <mazal> 13.10
[07:09] <mazal> 	
[07:09] <mazal> October 17, 2013
[07:09] <mazal> 	
[07:09] <mazal> Supported until July 2014
[07:09] <mazal> Oh sorry sorry guys , didn't know it will paste it that badly.
[07:09] <mazal> So yes , that confirms it , 6 months
[07:09] <mazal> Ag , 9months even
[07:10] <Kilos> thats fine if you want to keep growing with each release
[07:10] <Kilos> with no data cap theres no prob
[07:10] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:10] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:11] <Kilos> all has left, its just us 3 now
[07:11] <magespawn> still sitting at around 40 lurjers though
[07:11] <magespawn> lurkers
[07:12] <mazal> Morning magespawn 
[07:12] <magespawn> hi mazal
[07:13] <mazal> Kilos, this October I'm gonna do online upgrade for the first time ever. I always do fresh install. But want to give that a go and see
[07:13] <Kilos> on a server mazal ?
[07:13] <mazal> No , my desktop pc at home
[07:14] <mazal> Server is LTS , I don't muck about with my server
[07:14] <Kilos> the fly always does it that way
[07:15] <magespawn> from what i can make out most of the drastic changes are in the gui environment anyway
[07:15] <mazal> I'm nervous what will happen with all my configs and currently installed apps and current sources list. But gonna try it and see
[07:15] <mazal> I will probably have to manually edit and correct the sources list after upgrade
[07:15] <magespawn> backup backup backup
[07:15] <mazal> Many of them contain the release name mos
[07:16] <mazal> Or maybe the upgrade does that automatically
[07:16] <tonberryE352> it usually disables all non standard sources entries before upgrade
[07:16] <mazal> magespawn, fortunately I have very severe and very paranoid backups :-)
[07:16] <mazal> tonberryE352, and after upgrade , one need to enable it manually ?
[07:16] <magespawn> nothing to worry about then
[07:17] <mazal> My stuff is on like 4 places backed up and in variuos ways as well lol
[07:17] <tonberryE352> yes
[07:17] <mazal> And the gpg keys ?
[07:17] <tonberryE352> i think they are kept
[07:18] <tonberryE352> it just comments out the entries in sources.list
[07:18] <tonberryE352> so you just update the release name and uncomment them
[07:20] <mazal> Ok that be easy then
[07:21] <mazal> Sjoe , because new install so much work and takes so much time that I want to try the upgrade route for all non-lts and then fresh install on lts when that comes
[07:26] <Vince-0> haai
[07:28] <mazal> Lo Vince-0 
[07:37] <mazal> lol , I like the upgrade guide. Click on upgrade and if you get stuck ASKUbuntu lol
[07:37] <Kilos> hehe
[07:38] <mazal> I'm looking for an upgrade guide that I can read so long and see what is all the little things to keep in mind. I still have plenty of time to study it
[07:38] <Kilos> i did it once in update manager, only one tick needed
[07:38] <mazal> But Ubuntu's guide isn't mcuh help hehehe
[07:39] <Kilos> it shows the new release at the top
[07:39] <mazal> Yeah that bit I got , but I want to know detail of little things like the sources list for example. Little things like that one needs to check afterwards
[07:40] <mazal> And I would like a document so that I minimize bothering ppl with questions
[07:40] <Kilos> you can look in update manager as well for the sources list
[07:41] <Kilos> settings i think its called
[07:41] <Kilos> there you can enable/disabled certain sources or add sources
[07:46] <mazal> Everything I found so far ends at "follow on screen instructions". Is it really that simple ?
[07:46] <Kilos> yeah
[07:46] <Kilos> just takes a long time
[07:46] <mazal> What is on avarage the size of the download ?
[07:47] <Kilos> the fly uses a command to do it
[07:47] <mazal> I know every release will differ , but the average about ?
[07:47] <Kilos> 800meg i think
[07:47] <mazal> k
[07:47] <Kilos> from 700 to 800
[07:48] <mazal> And for me on a fresh install take well over 1gig to add everything that needs to be added
[07:48] <mazal> So I will save a bit of data and all the time of installing and configuring everything
[07:49] <mazal> The time saving is what I'm looking for mainly
[08:10] <Kilos> hi confluency_ psyatw 
[08:10] <mazal> Raak nou rof hier , nou net gehoor en gaan kyk , een van ons kantore is aan die brand gesteek laasnag
[08:11] <mazal> Gelukkig nie helemal vlam gevat nie. Parafien en brandende koerant papier ingegooi
[08:11] <Kilos> ai!
[08:12] <Kilos> verkeerde skelms toe gesluit
[08:15] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:16] <magespawn> hectic mazal
[08:16] <magespawn> hi psyatw
[08:18] <mazal> Looks like I will be taking backups home from now on
[08:18] <magespawn> any idea what the person was trying to do?
[08:24] <mazal> We don't know
[08:24] <Kilos> get warm
[08:24] <Kilos> hehe
[08:24] <mazal> It can be an attack against the whole building , or against that specific office
[08:24] <mazal> Maybe to destroy records being kept in that office
[08:26] <psyatw> hi magespawn
[08:26] <psyatw> hihoi mazal
[08:27] <mazal> Hi psyatw 
[08:27] <inetpro> good morning
[08:28] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[08:28] <mazal> Morning inetpro 
[08:29] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos, mazal, psyatw, magespawn, Vince-0, tonberryE352 
[08:29] <Kilos> hehe
[08:29] <Kilos> twit
[08:30] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[08:30] <inetpro> all the earlybirds of the day
[08:30] <mazal> Is al laat man
[08:30] <inetpro> ja maar julle is vroeger as ek
[08:30] <mazal> hehehe
[08:31] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[08:41] <mazal> inetpro, I understand you do upgrades via the upgrade over internet route ? ( new release upgrades )
[08:42] <inetpro> mazal: hmm... I have done them yes but for my desktops I generally prefer to stick to LTS versions and a relatively fresh install every few years
[08:43] <inetpro> I say relative because I keep some configs and obviously my own data 
[08:45] <inetpro> but as far as I remember superfly does regular upgrading as the releases become available 
[08:46] <superfly> my ears are burning
[08:46] <inetpro> mazal: in general Kubuntu does not have as many significant differences between versions as Ubuntu has at this stage
[08:47] <inetpro> hi superfly
[08:47] <superfly> hi inetpro
[08:47] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[08:47] <superfly> morning Kilos
[08:48] <inetpro> superfly: what version you running on your desktop now?
[08:48] <superfly> still 13.04
[08:48] <magespawn> hey superfly
[08:48] <mazal> Is there anything else after upgrade apart from my sources list that I need to correct after an upgrade , inetpro ?
[08:48] <superfly> yo magespawn
[08:48] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[08:48] <superfly> mazal: if you're doing it right, you don't change anything, you let the upgrade do it all for you
[08:48] <inetpro> mazal: ^^
[08:48] <mazal> Sjoe it sounds so easy
[08:49] <mazal> It's struggling to compute :-)
[08:49] <superfly> it is, it's one step: do-release-upgrade
[08:49] <superfly> or do-release-upgrade -d if you want to catch the beta
[08:49] <inetpro> the days of changing your sources by hand are over
[08:49] <mazal> k
[08:50] <mazal> I'm going that route October for the first time
[08:51] <mazal> Wanted to start studying manuals so long
[08:52] <inetpro> mazal: just do it
[08:52] <Kilos> hehe
[08:53] <inetpro> do it in a VM if you're not sure
[08:53] <mazal> I'm not a VM guy
[08:53] <mazal> I either do a thing or don't do a thing hehehehe
[08:53] <mazal> Would you suggest that apt-get command over the gui way ? Is apt-get's way better way to go ?
[08:54] <Kilos> inetpro, you got your twitter working yet?
[08:54] <inetpro> Kilos: eish Kilos, not really
[08:54] <Kilos> ai!
[08:54] <inetpro> actually enjoying a bit time away from twitter
[08:55] <superfly> mazal: what apt-get command?
[08:55] <Kilos> you gotta post about mondays meeting man
[08:55] <mazal> do-release-upgrade , I assume that is with apt-get or am I wrong ?
[08:55] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[08:55] <superfly> no
[08:55] <superfly> it's a command
[08:56] <superfly> @~:$ do-release-upgrade
[08:56] <mazal> Ah ok, is that preferable over the gui way in update manager ?
[08:56] <mazal> And if yes , just with sudo , or in root mode with sudo su first ?
[08:57] <Kilos> the fly always uses the best way mazal 
[08:57] <superfly> mazal: it'll launch a little GUI if you're running X
[08:57] <superfly> otherwise it just does a CLI version
[08:57] <superfly> and no need to use sudo, it'll ask for sudo when it needs it
[08:57] <mazal> Ok thanx guys
[08:58] <superfly> and I use Kubuntu, so I don't know much of how the Ubuntu update manager works
[08:58] <mazal> Looks like I don't need any studying for this
[08:58] <superfly> but I also tend to upgrade when the beta comes out so  the upgrade manager doesn't know about it yet
[08:58] <mazal> Just my lots of paranoid backups
[08:59] <inetpro> for a Kubuntu upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaringUpgrades/Kubuntu
[09:02] <mazal> Mine will be for ubuntu , but thanx for that one. I am going to start playing with kubunu as well when the time is available
[09:02] <mazal> But won't upgrade the K one for now. Must still play and learn it
[09:02] <superfly> the command is the same for both
[09:04] <mazal> K
[09:05] <mazal> It all sounds so easy I can't wait for October now to try it lol
[09:07] <Kilos> hehe
[09:13] <magespawn> http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/07/20-resources-for-learning-web-design-development/ some learning resources for those with an interest
[09:14] <magespawn> and some more https://www.learnsmartsystems.com some of these are free
[09:17] <Kilos> magespawn, where you find free hosts for websites
[09:17] <Kilos> the free ones are all tiny
[09:18] <magespawn> most of them are yes, or with restrictions about what you can do
[09:19] <magespawn> there has been one advertised on facebook lately, let me see if I can find a link
[09:19] <Kilos> can one use a local server to host it?
[09:19] <magespawn> local server?
[09:20] <magespawn> one is south africa?
[09:20] <Kilos> like your own server pc
[09:20] <magespawn> you can but it is really not recommended
[09:21] <magespawn> most servers on the net have insane connection and bandwidth compared to a home machine
[09:21] <Kilos> i was just thinking then one can learn the designing part without any restrictions
[09:21] <Kilos> and format it when gavvol
[09:22] <Kilos> and not use lotsa data of course
[09:22] <magespawn> you can install LAMP with ubuntu server for your own use, access it on your own network
[09:23] <magespawn> then you can learn the how to set up a website with practice
[09:23] <Kilos> ok ty
[09:24] <Kilos> i gotta get iptables energy going again first
[09:30] <magespawn> cool, of course i cannot find that advert now
[09:30] <Kilos> hehe
[09:31] <Kilos> yay i can ping each other. yesterday they didnt wanna
[09:33] <magespawn> nice Kilos
[09:34] <Kilos> lol i did nothing they njeeded to sleep first looks like
[09:34] <Kilos> needed
[09:34] <magespawn> adsl line is taking strain today, lots of updates on various machines, kids playing flash games, and a steam update
[09:35] <Kilos> ai!
[09:35] <Kilos> is there any fibre in hluhluwe yet
[09:39] <Kilos> and mainly is there any to hluhluwe
[09:39] <magespawn> strangely enough there actually is, it does not seem to make much difference, it is the main line only not the last mile to business/house
[09:40] <Kilos> it will cost laying fibre to where you are
[09:41] <Kilos> maybe one can buy the fibre cable somewhere else and lay it yourself and just get one of them okes to do the connecting part for you
[09:41] <Kilos> one of the guys that subcontract to eskom that is
[09:42] <Kilos> offer him lotsa pineapples
[09:42] <magespawn> would need the output of one of the local farms, I am sure
[09:42] <Kilos> huh?
[09:42] <Kilos> i dont understand that
[09:43] <Kilos> oh you mean in pines haha
[09:44] <Kilos> the tools for doing fibre cable work are expensive
[09:57] <Kilos> hi nocware 
[09:59] <nocware> hey kilos..
[09:59] <Kilos> hmm... im missing something in my saved iptables file
[09:59] <Kilos> can ping 8.8.8.8 from second pc but cant update
[10:08] <Kilos> oh my net splits again
[10:16] <Kilos> superfly, just a pointer please. i can ping 8.8.8.8 from second machine but cant browse from there. had the same thing last year and you fixed it
[10:16] <Kilos> maybe i forgot to save your instauctions
[10:16] <Kilos> or lost them'
[10:17] <Kilos> instructions
[10:20] <Kilos> i think it was something simple as well
[10:36] <superfly> Kilos: DNS is not set up correctly
[10:37] <Kilos> i have 8.8.8.8 in it will look more ty
[12:01] <charl> wb Kilos 
[12:01] <Kilos> ty charl 
[12:10] <inetpro> Kilos: your /etc/resolv.conf must have the following entry (for more info see: man resolv.conf)
[12:10] <inetpro> nameserver 8.8.8.8
[12:12] <Kilos> ty inetpro ive done something stupid, cant even ping 8.8.8.8 from there anymore and eth disconnects and reconnects every minute
[12:12] <Kilos> grrr
[12:17] <Kilos> wbb
[12:18] <mazal> Maaz seen hecticza
[12:18] <Maaz> mazal: hecticza was last seen 17 days, 1 hour, 54 minutes and 8 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-06-23 03:24:30 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-06-23 03:24:38 PDT
[12:33] <Kilos> Squirm, can you give me that method of adding nameserver in resolv.conf remember it has a default and whatever one adds in there gets overwritten
[12:33] <Kilos> i will remember to save the info this time
[12:35] <Kilos> inetpro, ai!
[12:35] <Kilos> you and man
[12:36] <inetpro> Kilos: man is the solution to all your problems
[12:36] <Kilos> not mine man
[12:36] <Kilos> grrr
[12:36] <inetpro> all very nicely documented in a lot of detail
[12:36] <Kilos> you know that
[12:38] <inetpro> start reading from the top and from left to right, it's not difficult
[12:38]  * Kilos throws bricks at inetpro 
[12:38] <inetpro> :-)
[12:40] <Kilos> but i remember squirm had the workaround to it overwriting itself everytime
[12:40] <mazal> Have a good evening everyone
[12:40] <mazal> Bye
[12:40] <Kilos> cheers mazal 
[12:40] <Kilos> ai!
[12:45] <Squirm> Kilos: add it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[12:45] <Kilos> ty
[12:49] <Kilos> inetpro, see^^
[12:49] <Kilos> wbb gonna try a reboot
[12:50] <inetpro> Squirm: ahh, that is a nice one that I have seen
[12:52] <inetpro> and it's even documented in a man page as well (man resolvconf)
[12:54] <inetpro> Kilos: man resolvconf
[12:54] <Kilos> inetpro, where in man does it tell you to add it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[12:54] <Kilos> ai!
[12:54] <inetpro> :-)
[12:54]  * Kilos goes to man resolvconf
[12:56] <Kilos> resolvconf --enable-updates?
[13:00] <inetpro> Kilos: read further down in the file
[13:00] <inetpro> I mean in the man page
[13:00] <Kilos> ai!
[13:04] <inetpro> Kilos: normally you should not be editing these files on a desktop, that is why you have a network manager
[13:04] <inetpro> and in fact, now that you have a router/switch you should go back to using the nm
[13:05] <inetpro> unless you can tell us another reason why you should edit the file by hand
[14:26] <Kilos> ai!
[14:43] <Kilos> oh my even chanserv is killed
[14:43] <Kilos> sup magespawn ?
[14:46] <magespawn> not much Kilos
[14:47] <Kilos> you busy playing games or watching movies
[14:53] <inetpro> Kilos: at least your conversation is still logged by ubuntulog_
[14:54] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:54] <Kilos> shup you
[14:54] <Kilos> i dont need logs then everyone can see me sukkel
[15:03] <Kilos> who is this net_ekke that pops in and out daily
[15:04] <Kilos> ChanServ, wb
[15:07] <Kilos> oh my even spanne bessies became a guest
[15:15] <magespawn> Kilos: waiting for a windows backup to complete
[15:15] <magespawn> and some printing for a customer
[15:15] <Kilos> ah
[15:43] <magespawn> watching the security + lectures on learnsmart
[15:44] <Kilos> security is big business today
[15:48] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[16:06] <Kilos> sup Vince-0 - Vince-0 has quit (Read error: No buffer space available)
[16:06] <Vince-0> lools
[16:06] <Kilos> did you put that in there
[16:06] <Kilos> hehe
[16:07] <Kilos> you bye message
[16:07] <Vince-0> I don't believe so
[16:07] <Vince-0> might be on my laptop
[16:08] <magespawn> hey Vince-0
[16:08] <magespawn> brb restart
[16:16] <magespawn> right back
[16:16] <Kilos> wb
[16:17] <magespawn> looks like netsplit has it in for chanserv
[16:17] <Kilos> yip
[16:19] <magespawn> i have to have the worlds slowest printer
[16:19] <Kilos> lol
[16:20] <magespawn> printing out 18 A4 photo quality full colour prints, i think it takes about 3-5min per page
[16:20] <Kilos> whew
[16:22] <magespawn> going to be here all night
[16:22] <Kilos> ai!
[16:22] <magespawn> also that windows restore is still going on
[16:22] <Kilos> xp?
[16:22] <Kilos> sometimes that takes ages
[16:24] <magespawn> no 7
[16:27] <magespawn> so we will do something productive with out time then 
[16:27] <magespawn> http://xkcd.com/662/
[16:28] <Kilos> whats that
[16:29] <magespawn> good thought http://xkcd.com/659/
[16:30] <Kilos> you call that propuctive hehe
[16:31] <Kilos> someone should find them attackers and hang them
[16:32] <Kilos> ten years jail without parole
[16:32] <Kilos> no fines
[16:33] <Kilos> and no pcs or cell phones allowed
[16:33] <magespawn> what attackers are that Kilos?
[16:34] <magespawn> s/that/those
[16:34] <Kilos> -christel- [Global Notice] As you may have noticed we appear to have trotted over the grumpy troll's bridge -- the network is currently being attacked and as a result we're temporarily without services as we work to get a working copy of the db fired up elsewhere. Apologies for the inconvenience.
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[16:34] <magespawn> http://xkcd.com/644/
[16:34] <magespawn> bored little script kiddies
[16:41] <magespawn> http://xkcd.com/627/ Kilos
[16:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:42] <Kilos> ssounds like me
[16:58] <magespawn> Kilos: i think most of the time the people either do not know what they are doing or they are simple bored
[16:59] <Kilos> which people magespawn 
[17:02] <magespawn> the ones attacking freenode
[17:06] <kbmonkey> yeah whats that about, got the notice
[17:07] <magespawn> i am off home later all\
[17:08] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey 
[17:08] <Kilos> k magespawn 
[17:09] <kbmonkey> that was a long-ass day
[17:10] <kbmonkey> its is just astounding how I can spend almost every waking hour staring at a screen.
[17:10] <Kilos> lol
[17:54] <Kilos> sigh
[18:01] <Kilos> well most of us are still here
[18:03] <kbmonkey> yeah
[18:03] <kbmonkey> zzzz barely
[18:07] <Kilos> hehehe
[18:08] <Kilos> go sleep man
[18:10] <kbmonkey> nah, then I'd wake up and it would be work again! that is not a pleasant thought so no thanks ;)
[18:10] <kbmonkey> can sleep when I'm dead
[18:10] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:10] <kbmonkey> kekeke
[18:11] <Kilos> have a cuppa coffee
[18:20] <kbmonkey> I've been knocking the tea. coffee is finished. will have to get some
[18:22] <bmg505> nickserver dead?
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah and chanserv
[18:23] <Kilos> ddos attacks again or something bmg505 
[18:23] <Kilos> they are moving at the moment
[18:27] <kbmonkey> no announcements on their page yet, got a notice about 2 hours ago soemone is rampaging against freenode
[18:27] <Kilos> there were 2 just now kbmonkey 
[18:27] <Kilos> -mist- [Global Notice] Sorry for the continued lack of services, we're currently moving it to an alternate location. Thanks for your patience.
[18:28] <Kilos> first one was 2 hours ago
[18:28] <Kilos> but all day we been net splitting
[18:32] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:32] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos 
[18:38] <smile4ever> Goodbye :)