[01:10] <holstein> OvenWerks: i think i was about to react negatively to the removal of pulse
[05:30] <OvenWerks> holstein: Lumpy's machine is one use only. I am surprised that he couldn't get it working. He is right towards thge edge of what the machine can do. Pulling two mp3 files to audio streams then recoding to mp3 stream. Also some compression in there too. medium latency (50ms or so).
[05:32] <OvenWerks> No reason to have pulse on it though, but rather than remove it I would just turn it off.
[06:37] <zequence> Was supposed to get some stuff done, but been baby sitting the past two days :P
[06:37] <zequence> maybe tomorrow
[10:50] <Lump|AFK> yeah OvenWerks I am stumped
[10:51] <Lump|AFK> though i think the icecast server connection issues are router related
[10:51] <Lump|AFK> i shot you an email this AM
[10:51] <Lump|AFK> i will be hereish today so hail away
[11:41] <smartboyhw> zequence: OvenWerks I will be back after three weeks. See ya!
[13:44] <ttoine> hello
[13:45] <Mish> hello ttoine
[19:30] <Mish> zequence: I did some tests on the Audio icon. You can see them here  ---   https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/Icons?key=CRBaTkk2DEln
[19:30] <Mish> I don't know why one can;t download the whole folder at once but that;s the way it works
[19:31] <Mish> There's two of the 3d shaded icons
[19:31] <Mish> and one flat one, which is basically identical to the old one except for the blue-pale yellow colour scheme
[19:32] <Mish> is that similar to what you had in mind for using the colours?
[19:46] <zequence> Mish: quite dark, but I'd really need to see all of them used with the menu to get a good idea
[19:47] <zequence> thought you weren't going to do shaded
[19:49] <Mish> you were undecided last time I asked, so I did tell you I'd do some tests; with both shaded and flat
[19:49] <Mish> is the flat one somewhat like what you had in mind?
[19:50] <Mish> oh and for the shaded version, there's one for light themes and one for dark
[19:52] <zequence> will we be able to switch them? my understanding so far is that these will be custom icons, not a part of any icon theme
[19:53] <Mish> IMO it'd actually be better if there were two icons sets, something like UbuntuStudio-Light and UbuntuStudio-Dark
[19:58] <zequence> my understanding is that these icons will be for the menu specifically, and not go with any specific icon theme, since they are custom
[19:59] <Mish> yes but the manu background is affected by whatever theme the user chooses :D
[20:00] <zequence> so, if the icons aren't apart of a theme, that means they won't be switched when you change themes
[20:00] <Mish> icons never change automatically when themes are changed
[20:00] <zequence> and that would also mean the icons need to be generic enough to work in any situatioon
[20:00] <zequence> I'm talking about icon themes
[20:00] <Mish> yes
[20:01] <Mish> Theming in linux happens independently for all the different things
[20:01] <zequence> are you seriously explaining how theming works in Linux to me?
[20:01] <Mish> as in you have themes for Window manager, GTK/QT theme, icon set, and cursor theme
[20:02] <Mish> no not explaining 
[20:02] <Mish> pointing out a specific thing
[20:05] <Mish> but basically only dark and light themes need to be catered for
[20:06] <zequence> I'm still missing the part where the icons are switchable with icon themes. Or, how the switching of the icons would be done
[20:06] <zequence> they need to work with other themes than just ubuntustudio icon themes
[20:07] <Mish> user would go to appearance settings and then change icon theme
[20:07] <Mish> but that wouldn't change gtk/qt theme etc
[20:07] <zequence> so, are you saying these icons will, or will not be a part of an icon theme?
[20:07] <zequence> I'm still only talking about icons and icon themes
[20:07] <Mish> they will be a part of a theme
[20:08] <zequence> ...and not the menu package
[20:08] <Mish> if it's part of the menu package then it'll become default
[20:09] <zequence> again, my understanding is that these icons would be a part of the menu package, and not any specific icon theme. Is this correct, or not?
[20:09] <Mish> so that if user changes to a different set the menu icons won't be broken
[20:10] <Mish> come to think of it, yes
[20:10] <Mish> sorry my mistake
[20:11] <Mish> usually icons would be part of a specific icon set, but in this case there has to be a default so it'll go into the menu
[20:11] <zequence> I haven't looked into how exactly the icons are loaded, or what the intention is for the future. So I could be missing something of course
[20:11] <Mish> no sorry my mistake
[20:11] <Mish> I was all jumbled up 
[20:20] <Mish> zequence: what about the flat one?
[20:26] <zequence> Mish: White background?
[20:27] <Mish> As in should the icon go with a white background?
[20:30] <zequence> I still feel pretty much the same as yesterday, that it would be nice if each workflow was easily identifyable by color. 
[20:31] <Mish> in the folder that I linked to there's the flat icon which is basically the same as the old one, except the background is blue and the object is pale yellow.....is that similar to what you had in mind?
[20:34] <zequence> Mish: I was invisioning really clear colors. Something that would work with any icon theme.
[20:34] <zequence> I thought that icon was a bit too dark for one to be able to see the color
[20:38] <Mish> ok got it....so colour needs to be lighter.... and would you like to see alternate designs? may be with  gradients, transparencies etc?
[20:39] <Mish> or is that design ok?
[20:39] <zequence> I would try without shading first. I have a feeling it will have too much of its own thematic feel
[20:41] <zequence> Mish: You know, actually it might not be a bad idea to use the classic Ubuntu Studio blue for audio
[20:41] <zequence> and then go from there, making the other colors look similar
[20:41] <Mish> ok understood
[20:43] <zequence> I think there are lots of icons that are like that, very minimal, like traffic signes
[20:43] <zequence> signs*
[20:45] <zequence> I'm open to other ideas myself, but this to me seems more or less water proof, and should work in any situation, no matter which icon themes, and other themes are used
[20:47] <zequence> Mish: Do you have the classic blue? The color scheme is at the bottom of this page otherwise https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialFeisty
[20:47] <Mish> Yes I do have the SVG of the Ubuntu Studio logo
[20:47] <Mish> I'll take the blue from there
[20:48] <zequence> which logo is that?
[20:49] <Mish> the first one on the page you linked to
[20:49] <Mish> but the palette is handy too
[23:28] <OvenWerks> zequence: there are some problems I think with what you were discussing with Mish.
[23:30] <OvenWerks> You may recall, we wanted to use standard categories and names for things.
[23:31] <OvenWerks> so ihave styled all the icon names after the standard icon names for other standard menus.
[23:35] <OvenWerks> What this means, is that some of the icons I use (or will use when they are done) in the menu package will not show up in our menu because they are "themed over" or overriden by themes farther up the theme inheritance chain.
[23:35] <OvenWerks> That is why we are using the icon-theme to make sure our icons show up in our iso.
[23:36] <OvenWerks> zequence: there are two paths we can go with this:
[23:37] <OvenWerks> 1) use icon themes as Mish suggested, one dark and one light that inherit other dark and light themes. Mish seems to have found nice ones.
[23:38] <OvenWerks> 2) Rename our icons non-standard so they show up no matter what icon theme is used.
[23:39] <OvenWerks> I am sure Mish's confusion is my falt and I appologize.
[23:40] <OvenWerks> I should probably drop this in the mailing list :)
[23:43] <lumpy__> heya OvenWerks thanks for the emails
[23:43] <lumpy__> but i think i have only made it worse
[23:43] <OvenWerks> give me a sec
[23:44] <lumpy__> take your time
[23:44] <lumpy__> i am finishing a writing assignment
[23:44] <lumpy__> so i tied up for 20-30 minutes at least
[23:54] <OvenWerks> Ok, had to do an email. I am switching to the support channel :)