[00:03] I wonder when the watershed moment will be in a few years from now when BIOS support is dropped from mainline distros in favour of (u)EFI only :-p [00:04] diddledan, pfft, we still haven't dropped i386 [00:05] technically we have. we're still supporting i686 tho [00:05] the kernel dropped i386 a while back [00:06] I think the redhat-based are supporting i586+? [00:07] point is, 32-bit? [00:07] amd64 shipped in 2003 iirc [00:07] yeah, I get your point :-) [00:08] I think 32bit is still listed as recommended on ubuntu.com [00:08] unless you select server [00:08] directhex: having fun with DOTA? [00:09] popey, really really doesn't render here [00:09] diddledan, yeah, the recommending of i386 still is farcical imho. but there you go. [00:11] i said I'd burn 28 CDs for someone for tomorrow [00:11] i regret this [00:11] I'm sure we must have reached hte point that most folk that still don't know the difference between 32/64bit are probably going to be running a 64bit-capable cpu [00:12] and those that do know the difference can decide for themselves [00:14] bedtime. [00:15] nn [00:16] popey, what you burning? [00:17] uh [00:17] photographs of children [00:18] popey: 10-15 minutes per burn, that could be in the order of 7 hours [00:19] only ~350MB per cd [00:20] nearly done, on the last two [00:20] have two computers running in parallel ☻ [00:21] phew [00:21] could have 3 but I am lazy [00:22] diddledan: in what world are you burning CDs at 6 speed?! 10-15 minutes per? [00:22] neuro: +verify [00:22] pfff [00:23] these are 24 speed i think [00:23] "maximum" [00:23] whatever a superdrive in an imac and a mbp do [00:24] haha, advert for The Net on telly [00:24] i *still* think "what, an *HD* 3.5" drive?!" when someone says superdrive [00:24] "Starring Sandra Bullock and a bunch of men who mostly get killed" [00:24] and i *still* think of the BBC 2 series rather than the movie when someone says The Net [00:25] it annoys me the notification sound is the same as the ios one [00:25] and yeah, that sounds about right :) [00:25] wtf, who gets killed? [00:25] ha [00:25] i think you'll find it's the other way round [00:26] ☻ [00:26] i was reading an article on eurogamer about gamesmaster the other day [00:27] got me to thinking about techie/geeky progs from the 90s [00:27] also [00:27] and the net was definitely my favourite [00:27] it annoys me that every single apple device I own has better audio output than every single other device I own [00:27] ha [00:27] iphone, ipad, mbp, imac [00:27] gotta love that they had partrick moore as the digitised head on gamesmaster [00:27] all better than every other device [00:28] if it makes you feel any better, the 13" mbp speakers are a bit crap [00:28] thats what i have [00:28] popey: surely professional sound cards do better? [00:28] i dont own any [00:28] but my 13" mbp is currently plugged into 27" apple lcd, sooo ... [00:28] ah [00:28] ... it sounds pretty good [00:29] name one laptop which has "professional" speakers and sound card [00:29] friend at work swears by £50 USb DACs [00:29] also audiophiles.. [00:29] popey: no idea, I'd get one on USB. [00:29] there are some pretty decent USB sound cards, I hear [00:29] no good for portability [00:29] but then I ain't an audiophile [00:29] me either [00:29] i have a plantronics usb doohicky for my headphones, best headphone audio evar [00:29] its not the card I'm talking about [00:29] plugged headphones into dell laptop, was tinny as hell [00:29] its the whole sound system [00:30] plugged plantronics usb thingy in, plugged headphones in, win [00:30] popey: not many manufacturers have built-in optical support in the headphone jacks either [00:30] true [00:31] not many pc speaker systems come with optical input tho [00:31] pfff [00:31] see, this is one of the very many reasons people pay more for apple kit [00:31] my mac mini in the living room is hooked up to home theater surround [00:31] so optical was a flat-out requirement rather than a nice to have [00:31] I'll bet that gives good fuzz [00:32] no way am i putting up with dolby prologic from a stereo source when i can have DTS-ES 6.1 \o/ [00:32] although, everyone these days in surround systems seems to be all about maximum wattage [00:33] i thought these days the tipping point for getting people to buy was ipod connectors / bluetooth / airplay support [00:33] my dad's 1960's speakers with RMS of about 20WATT can out-volume most modern-day speaker systems rated much higer wattage [00:33] your dad's speakers were owned by the 1960s? [00:34] from the 1960's [00:34] from the 1960's what? [00:34] era [00:34] <- grammar nazi [00:34] 1960 owned an era? [00:34] interesting [00:34] you kill grammar on a genocidal scale? [00:35] no, i'm megalomaniacal about grammar mistakes [00:35] surely that would make you a "gramma mistake nazi"? :-p [00:35] there's no need to be too specific about it [00:35] limits your options down the line [00:36] lol [00:36] popey: it's funny, it dawned on me today that it's nearly 5 years since the ill fated fsf "hassle the genius bars" campaign, and the epic #lugradio discussion about it all [00:37] wow [00:37] time passes [00:37] ya [00:37] i found the irc log too, buried deep within a vm :) [00:37] popey: I dunno, people have all these good things to say about apple kit [00:37] http://neuro.me.uk/2008/07/28/defective-in-the-head/ [00:37] i speak from personal experience [00:37] you'd be hard pressed to find my i7 with a GT 650M at 11.6"s from Apple [00:37] :P [00:38] i dont care [00:38] properly [00:38] properly do not care [00:38] neuro@cochrane:~$ ls -l logs0/Freenode/#lugradio/20080728.log.bz2 [00:38] -rw------- 1 neuro users 51562 Jul 29 2008 logs0/Freenode/#lugradio/20080728.log.bz2 [00:38] lol [00:38] you value raw grunt, I do not [00:38] why would you want an i7 with a GT650M and an 11" screen?!?! [00:38] each to their own [00:38] It's pretty decent build too, my friend kindly knocked it off my desk onto a hardwood floor, it survived without a scratch [00:38] there are so many variables when buying a computer [00:39] that's like buying a ferrari and putting 13" rims on it [00:39] focussing on one single thing is mental [00:39] neuro: it fits in my coat pocket, which means I can take it with me everywhere. [00:39] no more laptop bag. :) [00:39] whatever floats your boat, i guess [00:39] what make? [00:39] AlanBell: used to do that with an OLPC [00:39] I need more screen estate, not less [00:39] It's a Clevo. [00:39] in his coat pocket [00:40] clevo [00:40] yea, it's cool, totally freaks people out when I whip my laptop outta my pocket [00:40] I've got a tablet (or two) which cover the smaller form-factors [00:40] because it's a scottevest, they have no idea until it just magically appears [00:40] sometimes I pull it out when people aren't looking, and then they turn around and are like what...where did that come from [00:40] xD [00:40] lol [00:41] you have some easily freakible friends, it seems [00:41] * Azelphur shrugs [00:41] ooooooookay [00:41] * popey goes to bedlington [00:41] wow, clicking on 11" laptop thingy on the front page of clevo [00:41] goes to http://www/en/products.... [00:41] nice [00:41] but yea, popey is right about me, I'm a raw horsepower kinda person, I used to cary around a Dell XPS M1730 which is probably one of the biggest, heaviest laptops ever to be on the market. [00:41] and I loved it :P [00:42] depends what you define as "market" [00:42] i had a dell xps gen 2 [00:42] i remember a few luggables that would make any xps seem like a netbook [00:42] it was big/heavy/powerful [00:42] popey: you had an M17 too iirc at one point [00:42] 1600x1200, many years ago [00:42] no [00:42] think it was the non-gamers edition though [00:42] only an xps gen2 [00:42] most any dell precision laptop would kick the bum of an xps in terms of mass [00:42] with the silly LEDs [00:42] ah [00:43] then it died [00:43] :( [00:43] and dell screwed me over [00:43] :( [00:43] specifically the nvidia card died [00:43] ha [00:43] specifically the heat bond wasn't enough [00:43] popey: yea, loads of dells with nvidia problems from around that period [00:43] indeed [00:43] my brother has a pile of them (literally) [00:43] as dell say: "oooooh, cost ya" [00:43] exactly [00:43] it was a month out of warranty [00:43] typical [00:43] when i called and they said it would cost i said "no thanks" [00:44] then they asked if i was happy with the service [00:44] I said no [00:44] lol [00:44] they tried to argue with me [00:44] even put me through to a manager to argue with me [00:44] haha [00:44] I was disgusted [00:44] didn't touch dell for a while after that [00:44] added them to the wall of shame ☻ [00:44] :) [00:44] http://popey.com/blog/2006/07/07/my_sick_dell_inspiron_xps_gen_2_laptop/ [00:44] 2006! [00:44] i remember getting told a lovely story by dell one night [00:45] while sat in front of a crashed, really badly broken poweredge [00:45] and the story was how the Next Business Day support was in business hours [00:45] so if I called after 6pm [00:45] http://dr_fish.speedymail.org/techreport/w110er_open.jpg is my laptop I currently roll with, so much power in so little space. [00:45] and said "get someone here now" [00:45] awwww http://popey.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Image403.jpg [00:45] haha [00:45] nice [00:45] that 'now' meant 'next business day', which really meant 'day after tomorrow, sucker' [00:46] had to explain that one to my boss [00:46] he wasn't very pleased [00:46] popey: I take it out to the local national autistic society with me every week, plug it into the ~50" TV on the wall, and we all play games in Dolphin with PS3 controllers :D [00:46] had the acct manager almost literally over the coals, but was feck all he could do as the support was outsourced to Wang at the time [00:46] so yea, lots of grunt for such a tiny machine [00:47] jeez 3 years ago i roasted my laptop http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/08/roast-laptop/ [00:47] time properly flies [00:47] Azelphur: thats awesome [00:47] Azelphur: that's cute [00:48] :) [00:48] WANG! [00:48] might even have a photo of that somewhere I think [00:48] * Azelphur digs [00:48] popey: yeah i just read that about roasting the card, nice [00:48] it's like a baby puter suckling it's mommy [00:48] yeah, Wang [00:48] COMPUTERWANG [00:48] first heard of wang in .... uhm [00:48] my first job [00:48] 1988 [00:48] i probably saw their name in an ad in BYTE or PCW or something [00:48] they had a wang pc and a pc running windows 1.0 or something [00:48] or maybe in a movie? [00:49] * popey checks his dates [00:49] "COMPUTERS PROVIDED BY WANG CORPORATION" [00:49] yeah 1988 would be okay for windows 1.0 or so [00:49] * neuro shivers [00:49] and now bed. [00:49] ☻ [00:49] nn chaps [00:49] nn, popey [00:49] jings dude, didn't realise you were that much older than me [00:49] and on that note, nn [00:50] i think i too shall hit the hay [00:50] and also go to bed [00:50] * popey is 42 [00:50] = 39 [00:50] 40 this year? [00:50] next [00:50] youngling [00:50] you must have left school early? [00:50] nn [00:50] 16 [00:50] first job [00:50] i stayed til 18 [00:50] fat good it did me [00:50] anyway [00:50] I wish i did [00:51] .sometimes [00:51] now.. bed [00:51] lol [00:51] zz [01:18] hows 13.10 at the moment? I'm still on 12.10 and need to get upgrading lol [01:18] thinking I might just skip 13.04 and go straight to .10 a tad early ;) === MonsterKiller_ is now known as MonsterKiller === NimChimpsky is now known as RadiumCat [06:55] morning all [07:01] \o MooDoo [07:29] morning [08:13] quidco gave me £5 for joining if i spent any money at ayn retailer :D [08:13] bought an airfix for £5.99 from argos delivered. got £5.09 paid back \o/ [08:14] should have done this years ago [08:14] Morning all [08:14] I've been a quidco person for years, still haven't done much with it.. always forget :) [08:14] mungbean_: you know you're the product they sell right? [08:14] My friend has made about 3k in the last few years [08:16] MartijnVdS: well they are giving me a cut of the referral monies [08:17] Good morning peeps :) [08:17] Does toggl hate just me, or is it broken for everybody else as well? [08:18] toggl? [08:18] A project time tracking website. No worries :) [08:21] arrived at work with massive tray of brownies [08:21] work with a load of IT geeks, nobody interested :-| [08:21] :O [08:21] Everybody on a diet? [08:21] mungbean_: Call them chocolate cake. === msm is now known as Guest51304 [08:21] triple choc white/milk/dark, they are finest brownies known to man [08:22] Call them girl guides [08:23] hello [08:23] I got xubuntu working properly on my t-420s... the trick was disabling optimus thingi in the bios [08:23] bloody thing [08:24] it's a shame it can't just boot up and say 'try turning off optimus in the bios' [08:24] rather than refusing to work properly [08:24] optimus support sucks === mungbean_ is now known as mungbean [08:28] did you turn it to performance mode or stamina? [08:32] anyone here use a roof box for their carf? [08:32] *car [08:34] still not got new google maps on android [08:38] popey: they know you work for a competitor ;) [08:43] hah [08:45] i haven't got it either [08:45] !ping [08:45] pong! [08:46] seems like i can manually update through the appstore? [08:46] new maps? [08:47] yeah [08:48] it doesn't seem that different to the old one [08:48] updated NSA API [08:48] anyone know if there's a way I can set a specific route or use 'my maps' with google maps? [08:48] I often go out on bike rides and use the navigation thing [08:48] as it can speak the directions [08:48] however, I can't specify a route with it [08:54] cant you create the route on the web and then send it to your phone? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:54] can someone explain roof bars to me :$ [08:54] you can attach things to them! [08:54] * christel nods [08:55] they run along the top of the car [08:55] * popey has moved to the back garden again [08:55] ROOF RACK [08:55] i buy a roof box, i have to buy roof bars too [08:55] does your car have roof bars to which you can attach your box or do you need to get roof bars fitted? [08:55] my car has them [08:55] yeah, you'll need the bars to attach the granny box to [08:55] \o/ volvo [08:55] i drive a volvo so i have them by def... [08:55] jinx! [08:55] if you don't have mounting points [08:55] :P [08:56] volvooooooo [08:56] i have a fcous esate. it has black trim along the top [08:56] do i need a roof rack as well as the box? [08:56] you know what i'm going to say [08:56] you'll hate it [08:56] but [08:56] RTFM [08:56] :) [08:56] i don't have the box yet, [08:56] i'm gathering requirements [08:56] but no rails come with box [08:57] no, but surely your owner's manual will tell you if you have mounting points along the roof trim [08:57] and [08:57] hang on [08:57] ok, so how do i mount the box to the mount points [08:57] mungbean: i suspect you will need to purchase rails/bars that fit your car [08:57] halfords sell them [08:57] yeah, exactly, how do you mount the box [08:57] with rails/bars, surely :) [08:58] * neuro is confused and goes back to his mcdonald's strawberry/banana smoothie [08:58] they seem expensive [08:58] they are! [08:58] it was like 2 pound something [08:58] 200 [08:58] it wasn't *that* expensive [08:58] strawberry and banana? mixed together? [08:58] roof bars , not MCD [08:58] s'only a drink! [08:59] ali1234: yar === DGJones is now known as DJones [08:59] is that a real thing or did you just ask for half and half? [08:59] it's a real thing [08:59] because it sounds disgusting [08:59] it's awesome [09:00] http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/more-food/iced-fruit-smoothies-iced-frappes.html [09:00] banana is often used to thicken smoothie [09:00] well they always used to do strawberry *or* banana milkshake [09:01] is it just like those mixed together? [09:01] this isn't a milkshake [09:01] or is smoothie different? [09:01] it's a smoothie [09:01] good morning everyone, [09:01] what are T-track fittings? [09:01] more liquidy? [09:01] puree + juice + yoghurt + ice [09:01] more liquidy, more icy [09:02] mungbean: it's the black strip [09:02] as opposed to "fixing points" [09:02] popey, yeah, but I don't think I can get navigation to follow the map [09:02] fixing points are fixed points... the t track thing can slide in one direction... i guess [09:03] http://www.roofbox.co.uk/roof-bars/roof-bars-racks-faq.php#question4 [09:03] "4. What is a T track?" [09:03] lol i'm on that site === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:03] "Aluminium bars have a load limit of 75kg if this is supported by the car on which they are being used." [09:03] Good morning all, happy World Population Day! :-D [09:03] you what? :) [09:04] are we celebrating the existing population or is this a call to continue adding to it? [09:05] * popey gets jiggy with neuro [09:05] oh, that's not going to work is it [09:05] not really, no [09:05] http://www.roofbox.co.uk/roof-bars/ <- has pictures of each mounting type [09:05] not without some sort of biological upgrade [09:06] sidegrade [09:06] neuro, an attempt to raise awareness of global population issues, apparently. [09:06] and a *lot* of single malt [09:06] haha [09:06] nah, you're not that ugly ㋛ [09:06] GET A ROOM! :-P [09:06] /join #popey-and-neuro [09:06] i wasn't talking about me! [09:06] i know ☻ [09:06] lol [09:07] /join #worldpopulationday-ifyouknowwhatimean [09:07] And on THAT bombshell ... [09:11] wow, i killed the channel [09:11] didn't really mean to do that [09:11] unless everyone's join those other channels ;) [09:11] heh [09:11] s/join/joined/ [09:13] we were all doing our bit [09:13] jpc [09:13] I just want sleep [09:16] * popey updated home minecraft server to 1.6.2 [09:16] ooh [09:16] seems you get baby zombies and baby pigmen now [09:16] lol [09:17] who run fast [09:17] i need to get back into minecraft [09:17] and there seems to be a bug where animals run all the time [09:17] been ages since i've fired it up on mac [09:17] played it a bit on the xbox with some mates [09:17] my kids will be playing it for the next ~weeks [09:17] they break up from school today [09:17] so i thought I'd update it for them ☻ [09:17] geek dads ftw [09:17] \o/ [09:18] also, sophie wants to write a game this summer [09:18] someone should set up sysadmindads.org [09:20] That makes me think of Mum's Net [09:20] oh jeez [09:20] Yeah [09:20] i wandered in there by accident the other day [09:21]