[00:01] <lumpy__> kk
[00:01] <lumpy__> so am i
[00:01] <OvenWerks> what have you tried?
[00:01] <lumpy__> do want to do this in chat or do want to open a teamspeak session
[00:02] <OvenWerks> I haven't got TS set up.
[00:02] <Lumpy> kk
[00:02] <Lumpy> well I tried removing pulse
[00:02] <Lumpy> got me no where so i reinstalled it
[00:03] <Lumpy> i checked all the alsamixer sliders
[00:03] <Lumpy> experimented with it for each on
[00:03] <Lumpy> got me no where
[00:03] <OvenWerks> it shouldn't make any difference. (pulse)
[00:03] <Lumpy> i believe not connecting to the shoutcast server is a seperate issue and may be on the shoutcast server end
[00:04] <Lumpy> well do you have any thoughts on how i can trouble shoot this
[00:04] <OvenWerks> connecting to shoutcast is only worth worying about after audio works.
[00:04] <Lumpy> you are much better at all the cli stuff
[00:04] <Lumpy> well the fallbacks won't connect either
[00:04] <Lumpy> and i agree
[00:04] <Lumpy> it is not worth dealing with until i can get jackd to work
[00:05] <OvenWerks> I would like to see the alsa screens.
[00:05] <OvenWerks> I can't remember the web site for sending screen shots though :(
[00:05] <OvenWerks> !screenshot
[00:05] <OvenWerks> there we are :)
[00:06] <OvenWerks> so starting alsamixer in a terminal
[00:07] <Lumpy> i was going to try and let you just watch the desktop
[00:07] <Lumpy> but...
[00:07] <Lumpy> vino is giving me critical errors
[00:10] <Lumpy> so then i just paste you a link like this --> http://imagebin.org/264081 right?
[00:10] <Lumpy> that is the default, built in sound card
[00:11] <Lumpy> that is NOT the one i use to stream
[00:11] <OvenWerks> I was about to say that :)
[00:11] <Lumpy> well i assumed you wanted to see everything
[00:11] <OvenWerks> OK screen shot of what F^ looks like?
[00:11] <OvenWerks> sorry F6
[00:13] <OvenWerks> That should be a list of cards
[00:13] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264082
[00:14] <OvenWerks> Ok, so select the SB
[00:15] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264083
[00:15] <OvenWerks> If it works faster for you, you can just take shots of the terminal window.
[00:16] <OvenWerks> F4?
[00:17] <Lumpy> less than half the sliders show
[00:17] <Lumpy> do you want to see all of the sb sliders?
[00:17] <OvenWerks> Might be useful.
[00:19] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264085
[00:20] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264086
[00:20] <Lumpy> those last two complete F3
[00:21] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264084
[00:21] <Lumpy> and that would be F4
[00:22] <OvenWerks> What are the Line Liv... and line2 li?
[00:23] <OvenWerks> if you select them the Item line at the top should give more info
[00:23] <OvenWerks> it also looks like there is more off the screen to the left.
[00:24] <Lumpy> there are three images total for F3
[00:24] <OvenWerks> I mean for F4
[00:25] <Lumpy> the item desp for  line live is "Line LiveDrive [dB gain: mute mute]
[00:26] <Lumpy> yes there is Bass, Trebble, Front, Surround, Synth, and Wave
[00:26] <Lumpy> Bass and Treble are at 50
[00:26] <Lumpy> the rest all at 0
[00:27] <Lumpy> Line 2 is the same as line one only diff is "LiveDrive 1"
[00:28] <OvenWerks> in another terminal :) arecord -l
[00:29] <Lumpy> i am assuming that is an l and not a one
[00:29] <OvenWerks> yes
[00:29] <Lumpy> screenshot of it?
[00:30] <OvenWerks> I think you can drop the info from card 1 here.
[00:30] <OvenWerks> just the first line
[00:31] <Lumpy> card 1: Live [SB Live! Value [CT4780]], device 0: emu10k1 [ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback]
[00:31] <OvenWerks> That looks pretty normal.
[00:32] <OvenWerks> It only showed two devices?
[00:32] <OvenWerks> (card 0 and card 1
[00:32] <Lumpy> yup
[00:32] <Lumpy> just double checked
[00:33] <Lumpy> like you said
[00:33] <OvenWerks> ok, maybe we should look at qjackctl.
[00:33] <Lumpy> it /looks/ pretty normal
[00:33] <Lumpy> but it /acts/ pretty stubborn
[00:33] <Lumpy> like my xgf
[00:33] <Lumpy> heh
[00:34] <Lumpy> fire up in terminal? or gui?
[00:34] <OvenWerks> gui
[00:34] <OvenWerks> don't start jack, just qjackctl
[00:35] <Lumpy> what we really need are more menus.. . hehe
[00:35] <Lumpy> okay opened but not running
[00:35] <OvenWerks> lets look at setup
[00:36] <OvenWerks> Interface: says?
[00:37] <OvenWerks> should be right side of the dialog, maybe a third down.
[00:37] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264089
[00:37] <Lumpy> that would be the settings tab
[00:37] <Lumpy> and everything is set just as it is on my two fallbacks
[00:37] <Lumpy> both of which work
[00:38] <OvenWerks> you shouldn't have to use input and output devices.
[00:38] <Lumpy> and i have tried every variant of the input and output devices related to SB
[00:38] <Lumpy> what do you mean
[00:39] <Lumpy> like leave it blank?
[00:39] <OvenWerks> input device, output device should be default and just set the device with Interface: which is greyed out right now.
[00:40] <OvenWerks> Has it always been greyed out?
[00:40] <Lumpy> not if i put default in for devices
[00:41] <Lumpy> but I have always chosen the devices in the past
[00:41] <OvenWerks> There can be problems doing that. Channels can be default too.
[00:41] <Lumpy> usually channels are default
[00:41] <OvenWerks> beside Interface there is a tiny box with a >
[00:42] <Lumpy> that was one of my "swings and misses"
[00:42] <OvenWerks> if you click that it should show your devices.
[00:42] <Lumpy> i got that already
[00:43] <OvenWerks> select hw:1 not hw:1,0 I think
[00:44] <Lumpy> selected that which is SB Live! value [CT 4780]
[00:44] <OvenWerks> shoot me another screen before we save it :)
[00:44] <Lumpy> it now looks like this --> http://imagebin.org/264090
[00:44] <OvenWerks> qjackctl has changed my version looks different :)
[00:45] <OvenWerks> select ok
[00:45] <Lumpy> save it first though right?
[00:45] <OvenWerks> OK should save it.
[00:46] <Lumpy> well you never worked in the department of redundancy department :P
[00:46] <OvenWerks> The preset save at the top is something else
[00:46] <Lumpy> done
[00:47] <Lumpy> so should i try it now?
[00:47] <OvenWerks> start jack.
[00:48] <Lumpy> running
[00:48] <Lumpy> no errors in message window
[00:48] <OvenWerks> what does the connections look like.
[00:48] <Lumpy> i also see pulseaudio in the connection
[00:48] <Lumpy> hang on i will get you a shot
[00:48] <OvenWerks> Thats ok
[00:50] <Lumpy> guess i managed to reinstall pulse okay then
[00:51] <OvenWerks> seems so
[00:53] <OvenWerks> OK lets select "disconnect all"    to get rid of the pulse connects
[00:53] <Lumpy> done
[00:53] <OvenWerks> "expand all" will show well too
[00:54] <Lumpy> did that as well
[00:54] <OvenWerks> how many captures do you have?
[00:55] <OvenWerks> (Im thinking two)
[00:55] <Lumpy> correct
[00:55] <Lumpy> capture_1, capture_2
[00:56] <OvenWerks> do you have  some noise/music that is continuous you can run into line in?
[00:56] <Lumpy> i can just thump on the mic
[00:56] <Lumpy> which i can hear over the speakers
[00:57] <OvenWerks> I was thinking music would be easier but that is fine too
[00:57] <Lumpy> everything that goes in goes into the mixer first
[00:57] <OvenWerks> Yup.
[00:57] <OvenWerks> start the meterbridge
[00:58] <Lumpy> okay i just opened up gmusicbrowser
[00:58] <OvenWerks> connect capture 1 and 2 to the meter bridge.
[00:58] <Lumpy> can't believe i didn't instal vcl yet
[00:59] <OvenWerks> we want audio from off of this machine though.
[00:59] <Lumpy> actually we don't
[00:59] <Lumpy> i am in irc on my net book
[00:59] <Lumpy> which is running into the mixer
[00:59] <Lumpy> no meter movement on the meterbridge
[01:00] <OvenWerks> that would be off of the target machine then ok.
[01:00] <Lumpy> correct
[01:00] <Lumpy> capture to meterbridge gives me no movement
[01:00] <Lumpy> and i have a good level on board meter
[01:01] <Lumpy> and can hear the music through the speakers
[01:01] <Lumpy> and they are the speakers connected to the SB
[01:02] <OvenWerks> Ok back to alsamixer in a terminal that is not full screen so we can still see the meters
[01:03] <Lumpy> i am assuming capture
[01:03] <OvenWerks> lets start with playback actually
[01:03] <Lumpy> kk
[01:04] <OvenWerks> if you move over to the slider that says Line
[01:04] <OvenWerks> and hit M the sound out to the speakers should go away
[01:04] <Lumpy> kk, muted it
[01:04] <Lumpy> and just as you said
[01:04] <Lumpy> which i knew would happen
[01:05] <OvenWerks> OK now capture.
[01:05] <Lumpy> kk
[01:06] <OvenWerks> in the image you showed me "Line" was the first thing on the left, can you go left of that?
[01:06] <Lumpy> yes like i typed Bass, Treble, Front, Surround, Synth, Wave
[01:06] <Lumpy> Bass and Treble at 50
[01:06] <Lumpy> rest at 0
[01:07] <OvenWerks> On the capture screen? wow no wonder I was confused.
[01:07] <Lumpy> the SB has EVERYTHING on the capture screen
[01:07] <Lumpy> heh
[01:08] <OvenWerks> The alsa driver is not clear in naming then.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> OK
[01:08] <Lumpy>  i think you can capture everything but bass and treble
[01:08] <OvenWerks> if you select Line which is capture right now and hit space.
[01:09] <Lumpy> it was already selected but space does toggle it
[01:09] <OvenWerks> maybe go through the other channels hitting space. for each. You may find you don't have to unselect one for the next to work.
[01:09] <Lumpy> not all of them
[01:10] <Lumpy> eureka
[01:10] <Lumpy> color me simple
[01:10] <Lumpy> line and capture must have capture under them
[01:11] <Lumpy> i now have meter movement
[01:11] <OvenWerks> good, gotta go
[01:11] <OvenWerks> Wife needs me.
[01:11] <Lumpy> kk
[01:11] <Lumpy> thanks mega bunches
[01:12] <Lumpy> i feel soooo stupid
[01:26] <Lumpy> time for me to fly as well
[01:26] <Lumpy> thanks again and ttyl
[21:56] <dbolton> When I Alt+Middle click a window it dismisses/minimizes the window. Is there a way to turn off this behavior?
[21:56] <dbolton> Ardour uses the same shortcut for automation editing
[21:57] <dbolton> I only see keybaord shortcuts in the Xfce settings windows.
[22:20] <holstein> dbolton: thats where i would look.. in the xfce settings
[22:20] <holstein> dbolton: i havent bothered with middle-click for a long time.. and i dont have a way to  test
[22:20] <holstein> dbolton: ask in #xubuntu as well
[22:35] <holstein> dbolton: how about, under settings for window manager.. keyboard section
[22:41] <dbolton> holstein: I don't see any mouse shortcuts there.
[22:41] <dbolton> Just keyboard.
[22:42] <holstein> i would just remap the one in ardour, and get some work dont
[22:42] <holstein> done*