| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 04:25 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 05:08 |
| larsu | bonjour | 05:08 |
| didrocks | hey larsu! up early? ;) | 05:18 |
| larsu | didrocks: yep. I feel much more productive in the mornings. Let's see how long I can keep it up ;) | 05:19 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 05:19 |
| larsu | didrocks: happy Friday! | 05:19 |
| didrocks | happy Friday larsu! | 05:20 |
| didrocks | jibel: FYI, autopilot in the release pocket | 06:05 |
| Mirv | didrocks: webkit compiled successfully in the https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2/+packages during the night | 06:07 |
| Mirv | (https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/saucy/qtwebkit-opensource-src/arm-fix-and-docs-packages/+merge/174184) | 06:07 |
| didrocks | Mirv: ah, excellent! having a look at the MP then :) | 06:08 |
| didrocks | Mirv: we are not using the private headers in any of our projects? | 06:10 |
| Mirv | didrocks: we shouldn't, at least the webbrowser-app isn't. if we are, they should be split into a -private-dev package. | 06:12 |
| didrocks | Mirv: ok, just ensuring that we didn't break anybody :) | 06:13 |
| didrocks | diff looks good, sponsoring :) | 06:13 |
| Mirv | if we'd have a global code search, it'd be easier to say for sure. but it seems we are largely using QML anyway. | 06:13 |
| Mirv | didrocks: thanks! | 06:14 |
| didrocks | thanks to you! | 06:14 |
| darkxst | pitti, hi | 06:42 |
| pitti | hey darkxst | 06:43 |
| darkxst | pitti, do you have any ideas how the lid close actions would work in an inhibitor world? I don;t think I can just override the lid action without inhibitors since that will break gnome-shell (and maybe gnome-screensaver) | 06:45 |
| pitti | darkxst: I think the intention is that g-s-d sets a lid close inhibitor, and releases it only when it wants the suspend to happen (i. e. when it is active and gets a lid switch event) | 06:46 |
| darkxst | pitti, yes, but how to configure the action that happens on lid close | 06:47 |
| pitti | darkxst: if you disable suspend on lid close in the config, it would just never release the inhibitor | 06:47 |
| darkxst | pitti, it needs to be configurable from g-c-c, i.e. disable, suspend and hibernate | 06:48 |
| pitti | darkxst: it would need to actively call hibernate from logind, as the default logind config is to suspend | 06:49 |
| pitti | darkxst: so option one is to always hold the inhibitor lock and do all actions (suspend) by itself, option 2 (which is in g-s-d 3.8 AFAIK) is above strategy to drop the inhibitor if you want to suspend | 06:49 |
| jibel | didrocks, bonjour, thanks. I'll update the tests this morning | 06:51 |
| darkxst | Pici, right. but really I need option 3: configure lid close action (suspend,hibernate etc) while still using inhibors | 06:51 |
| darkxst | otherwise gnome-shell won't lock on lid close for example | 06:52 |
| didrocks | jibel: de rien ;) salut! | 06:52 |
| pitti | darkxst: you can't do hibernate with just inhibitors, you'd need to configure logind to hibernate on lid | 06:52 |
| darkxst | pitti, but logind does not have user settings? | 06:53 |
| pitti | exactly | 06:53 |
| pitti | and we are not going to change the default ocnfig | 06:53 |
| pitti | hibernate on lid close is just evil | 06:53 |
| pitti | (i. e. it's okay to offer it for configuring, but it's a really bad default) | 06:54 |
| pitti | darkxst: so if you want to hibernate, g-s-d always needs to keep the inhibitor and call hibernate() itself | 06:54 |
| darkxst | I'm not talking about default, just adding support to g-s-d to bring back the configurability | 06:54 |
| pitti | right, so that would be "option one" above | 06:55 |
| darkxst | except I don't want to break screen locking | 06:56 |
| darkxst | which as I understand, currently (in 3.8) gnome-shell gets the preparetosleep signal, locks the screen and then releases the inhibitor | 06:56 |
| pitti | but that's the suspend inhibitor, not the lid inhibitor | 06:57 |
| darkxst | so what does the lid inhibitor do then? | 07:00 |
| pitti | it prevents logind from suspending when closing the lid | 07:00 |
| pitti | or, I should say, from doing the configured action | 07:01 |
| pitti | i. e. ey=hibernate | 07:01 |
| pitti | ouch | 07:01 |
| pitti | i. e. HandleLidSwitch= in /etc/systemd/logind.conf | 07:01 |
| darkxst | can we just drop the hibernate on lid close action then? | 07:02 |
| pitti | darkxst: you mean the configuration option? | 07:02 |
| darkxst | yes | 07:02 |
| pitti | sure | 07:02 |
| pitti | we disable hibernate anyway by default in polkit | 07:02 |
| pitti | so it wouldn't work right now anyway | 07:03 |
| darkxst | ok cool | 07:03 |
| darkxst | that simplifies things somewhat! I see what to do now ;) | 07:04 |
| pitti | darkxst: it seems if you configure "no action", then all that g-s-d needs to do is to skip the piece of code that drops the lid inhibitor | 07:04 |
| pitti | and for "suspend on lid close" it should just work with what 3.8 does | 07:05 |
| darkxst | yeh | 07:11 |
| Laney | morning | 08:05 |
| didrocks | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:05 |
| Laney | pretty good thanks didrocks | 08:05 |
| Laney | been making some bread this morning ;-) | 08:05 |
| Laney | you? | 08:05 |
| didrocks | Laney: I'm fine, thanks! Sunny week-end (with national day on Sunday) | 08:06 |
| Laney | \o/ | 08:06 |
| Laney | some kind of party? | 08:06 |
| didrocks | fireworks in most cities | 08:07 |
| didrocks | ah, also, the Tour de France is going through Lyon on saturday | 08:07 |
| didrocks | 3kms from my home, I think I'll have a look :) | 08:08 |
| Laney | oh wow | 08:08 |
| Laney | go ride the stage :P | 08:08 |
| didrocks | ahah, sure, that's totally me! :) | 08:09 |
| === manish_ is now known as m4n1sh | ||
| didrocks | hey sil2100, how are you? | 08:16 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: hello! Continuuing my cleanup work | 08:19 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: can you ACK? http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Media/job/cu2d-media-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_qtvideo-node_0.2.1+13.10.20130712-0ubuntu1.diff | 08:20 |
| sil2100 | (me and ken made those changes, so they're oook!) | 08:20 |
| didrocks | sil2100: sweet! you've found the right parameters for media then? :) | 08:20 |
| didrocks | sil2100: +1 on qtvideo-node | 08:21 |
| seb128 | happy friday desktopers | 08:35 |
| seb128 | (yeah, I'm late this morning, went for some errands before starting the day, I decided it was better early than at lunch time;-) | 08:36 |
| didrocks | Happy Friday seb128! | 08:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks, you too ;-) | 08:36 |
| seb128 | how is friday looking? not too much crazyness? | 08:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: looking good until now, going through the sdk tutorial and seeing where it's deprecated and so on :) | 08:38 |
| seb128 | did they fix to have instructions/code actually working? ;-) | 08:38 |
| Laney | morning seb128! | 08:40 |
| * Laney was supposed to write a gsettings-qt example for d.u.c | 08:41 | |
| seb128 | Laney, hey | 08:41 |
| seb128 | Laney, "was" supposed... did somebody beat you at it? ;-) | 08:41 |
| Laney | no I just forgot :( | 08:42 |
| seb128 | do it today, seems like a good friday thing | 08:42 |
| Laney | yeah, after poking mlankhorst about... | 08:42 |
| Laney | ... | 08:42 |
| Laney | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 08:42 |
| Laney | pvr-omap4 : Depends: xorg-video-abi-13 | 08:42 |
| Laney | Depends: xserver-xorg-core-omap-revert but it is not going to be installed | 08:42 |
| darkxst | lucky you guys that still have a whole friday left ;) | 08:43 |
| mlankhorst | Laney: yeah I was afraid of that, if you're lucky manually adding xserver-xorg-video-omap-revert xserver-xorg-input-evdev-omap-revert might help.. | 08:44 |
| Laney | ... | 08:45 |
| Laney | can you try it out on the porterbox? :( | 08:45 |
| mlankhorst | I don't have access? | 08:45 |
| Laney | why not? | 08:45 |
| mlankhorst | no idea what it is or where it's hosted | 08:45 |
| Laney | ssh porter-armhf.canonical.com | 08:45 |
| mlankhorst | hm times out | 08:47 |
| Laney | guessing you don't have sshebang configured? | 08:47 |
| seb128 | you need to ssh through chinstrap | 08:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: I asked for it, they are sending MP as we speak | 08:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sorry, lost context ... "it" being a working tutorial for the sdk? | 08:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: yep, that's the "it" :) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | k ;-) | 08:49 |
| ogra_ | Laney, can you make sure xserver-xorg-video-omap-revert land in main ? | 08:49 |
| Laney | it did | 08:49 |
| ogra_ | *lands | 08:49 |
| Laney | I can install --dry-run it in a chroot with only main/restricted | 08:50 |
| ogra_ | before the failed image build ? | 08:50 |
| Laney | don't know about that | 08:50 |
| Laney | but i didn't see a component-mismatches mail about it | 08:50 |
| ogra_ | true | 08:50 |
| mlankhorst | ok my sshebang was out of date, it seems | 08:51 |
| ogra_ | Laney, i'll start another build and if that fails too i can force it into omap4 images via livecd-rootfs | 08:52 |
| Laney | ogra_: I'd be interested to understand why it doesn't work | 08:53 |
| Laney | Is there some manual package addition going on? | 08:53 |
| ogra_ | yeah, same here ... but it probably was just a timing issue | 08:53 |
| Laney | like instalilng ubuntu-desktop doesn't pull pvr | 08:53 |
| ogra_ | you can add subarch specific packages (bootloader, specific driver packages etc) via livecd-rootfs if needed | 08:54 |
| Laney | ah | 08:54 |
| ogra_ | it shouldnt | 08:54 |
| ogra_ | if ubuntu-desktop would pull pvr it would do it on all arm devices | 08:54 |
| Laney | so ubuntu-desktop will pull the non-reverted xorg | 08:54 |
| mlankhorst | yeah | 08:54 |
| Laney | I guess that makes the other one be uninstallable | 08:55 |
| ogra_ | hrm | 08:55 |
| mlankhorst | well if you install omap-revert before installing ubuntu-desktop, it would work | 08:55 |
| Laney | i'll do apt-get install pvr-omap4 and then see what ubuntu-desktop brings in | 08:55 |
| mlankhorst | it might need an explicit depends on xserver-xorg-input-evdev-omap-revert and xserver-xorg-video-omap-revert if it fails, but I don't think it should | 08:56 |
| Laney | update-alternatives: error: error creating symbolic link `/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/omap_pvr_drv.so.dpkg-tmp': No such file or directory | 08:59 |
| Laney | :( | 08:59 |
| mlankhorst | hmz | 08:59 |
| mlankhorst | you've hit a packaging bug! :O | 08:59 |
| Laney | what joy | 08:59 |
| ogra_ | didnt it run dkms ? | 09:00 |
| mlankhorst | ogra_: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers doesn't exist yet.. | 09:01 |
| mlankhorst | because no video driver is unpacked at that point | 09:01 |
| * Laney mkdir -p and carry on | 09:02 | |
| seb128 | waouh | 09:03 |
| seb128 | on try <lost the count> chromium built on saucy/armhf, yeah | 09:03 |
| Laney | haha | 09:03 |
| Laney | I made a note yesterday to tell people to stop wasting time retrying that :P | 09:04 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 09:04 |
| Laney | not sure that's a sustainable way for it to be .. | 09:04 |
| seb128 | no it's not | 09:04 |
| seb128 | but I'm still happy that it built | 09:04 |
| Laney | yeah, good news | 09:05 |
| seb128 | the saucy version was quite outdated | 09:05 |
| Laney | will it migrate now? | 09:05 |
| seb128 | it did | 09:05 |
| seb128 | it's in my update-manager | 09:05 |
| seb128 | that's how I noticed :p | 09:05 |
| Laney | sweet | 09:05 |
| Laney | mlankhorst: ok, so it still wants to remove the stuff | 09:05 |
| mlankhorst | odd.. what if you add those other depends? | 09:05 |
| * Laney installs the things you suggested | 09:05 | |
| Laney | ah, that might be ok | 09:06 |
| mlankhorst | adding xserver-xorg-video-omap-revert would probably be good enough to ensure that directory exists, too | 09:06 |
| mlankhorst | but yeah you'd need both | 09:07 |
| Laney | building a package | 09:07 |
| Laney | ogra_: mlankhorst: ok then, uploading this ... | 09:30 |
| Laney | let's try respinning after it's published in release | 09:31 |
| ogra_ | k, i added them to livecd-rootfs anyway though | 09:31 |
| Laney | i don't see how that will help | 09:31 |
| Laney | it's already a dependency of pvr-omap4 which should have done the trick surely | 09:31 |
| ogra_ | they will be forcefully installed in any case that way | 09:31 |
| Laney | unless you mean the extra packages? | 09:32 |
| ogra_ | i just mean the revert packages | 09:32 |
| Laney | the -video and -whatevertheotehroneis | 09:32 |
| ogra_ | yes | 09:32 |
| ogra_ | xserver-xorg-input-evdev-omap-revert and xserver-xorg-video-omap-revert | 09:33 |
| Laney | ok, well that's the same as adding the dep | 09:33 |
| Laney | so just respin when that his release if you would | 09:33 |
| mlankhorst | ok good so armhf works again then? :) | 11:04 |
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| === dednick is now known as dednick|afk | ||
| ogra_ | mlankhorst, i havent triggered a new buiold yet, but the fix looks promising :) | 11:24 |
| mlankhorst | good, that will probably be the last panda related upload from xorg, ever :P | 11:24 |
| ogra_ | (we're also wotking on a fix for touch, i want to keep the livefs builder free for a respin) | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | hopefully the last panda related upload for everything actually :) | 11:25 |
| popey | I get GPU lockups on intel 13.04 - is 13.10 any better? (please say yes) | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | that already caused lots more work than originally planned | 11:25 |
| mlankhorst | yeah xorg won't break on panda any more, unless going crazy with xmir stuff, which could not be enabled on panda anyway | 11:30 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| seb128 | Mirv, thanks for uploading that qtsystems patch to your ppa for testing ;-) | 11:37 |
| Mirv | seb128: you're welcome | 11:42 |
| Mirv | oh, it's compiled now, nice | 11:42 |
| Mirv | seb128: confirming that the crash is gone (no IMEI though either) | 11:51 |
| seb128 | still not IMEI? :-( | 11:52 |
| seb128 | Mirv, on what device do you try? | 11:52 |
| Mirv | seb128: Nexus 4 | 11:53 |
| Mirv | seb128: nope, at least the field in Pat's test program is empty | 11:53 |
| seb128 | Mirv, hum, ok, that one is supposed to have one :/ | 11:53 |
| Mirv | seb128: SIM: yes, I wonder if that was before | 11:53 |
| seb128 | Mirv, can you run "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono / org.ofono.Manager.GetModems" and pastebin that? | 11:54 |
| seb128 | Mirv, on the device | 11:54 |
| Mirv | seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5867899/ | 11:55 |
| Mirv | note that I don't actually have SIM in there, but IMEI should be readable nevertheless | 11:56 |
| Mirv | but it might be also ofono feature that it doesn't report it if it's not online | 11:56 |
| Mirv | I could grab some SIM card from my tablet | 11:56 |
| seb128 | Mirv, that seems a bug in ofono | 11:56 |
| seb128 | Mirv, if you could try with a sim that would be useful | 11:56 |
| seb128 | but that seems a bug for rsalveti/awe | 11:56 |
| === asac` is now known as asac | ||
| darkxst | seb128, hey | 12:01 |
| darkxst | so I am going to patch g-s-d to handle "no action" or "suspend" on lid close | 12:02 |
| darkxst | hope that is ok, but really providing a hibernate option is a PITA | 12:03 |
| seb128 | darkxst, thanks for working on that | 12:08 |
| seb128 | darkxst, what's the issue with hibernate? | 12:09 |
| seb128 | I don't feel strongly about it, I think 95% of users want either to suspend or not | 12:09 |
| Laney | I guess that it's not handled by logind | 12:09 |
| darkxst | it would really need to logind to have support for user settings | 12:09 |
| Laney | If users want to do it they can presumably set HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf | 12:10 |
| seb128 | right, let's not go this way | 12:10 |
| darkxst | short of breaking gnome-shell (and perhaps now gnome-screensaver) | 12:10 |
| darkxst | Laney, yep basically | 12:10 |
| Laney | if gsd just gets logind to do it | 12:10 |
| seb128 | right, basically what we need is g-s-d to be able to put an inhibitor for those who don't want to suspend on lid clode | 12:10 |
| seb128 | I think | 12:11 |
| Laney | seems fine to me | 12:11 |
| darkxst | seb128, yes that is what I am planning and should be easy enough | 12:11 |
| seb128 | excellent | 12:11 |
| Laney | thanks for working on it | 12:11 |
| darkxst | Laney, seb128 np | 12:12 |
| darkxst | I'm off on mad mtb adventures tomorrows | 12:12 |
| Laney | oh wow, s-c autopkgtests passed | 12:12 |
| darkxst | but will sort it sunday sometime | 12:12 |
| Laney | pitti: I approve of run-adt-test! | 12:12 |
| Laney | I can imagine prepare-testbed doing its thing in /tmp might be annoying if you can't download at speed from cloud-images though :P | 12:13 |
| Laney | One feature request is a config file / flag to add custom apt sources (local reprepro archive) - had to hack the script to do that AFAICS | 12:14 |
| === dednick|afk is now known as dednick | ||
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| pitti | Laney: well, you only need to do prepare-testbed every couple of days (when the dist-upgrade time becomes too annoying or -U doesn't cut it any more) | 12:44 |
| Laney | pitti: If you reboot it'll be gone though | 12:47 |
| pitti | Laney: aah | 12:48 |
| pitti | Laney: I set BASEDIR=/home/martin-scratch/images/adt in ~/.adtrc | 12:48 |
| pitti | that, and APTPROXY=http://10.0.2.2:3142 (to use apt-cacher-ng) | 12:48 |
| Laney | ah | 12:48 |
| Laney | well, it's not a problem for me personally because I can pull them at 12MB/s :P | 12:48 |
| pitti | so I keep the base VMs around, and just have it put the temporary overlay fs into tmpfs with the -s option | 12:49 |
| pitti | Laney: but it still takes a while to generate | 12:49 |
| Laney | yeah, couple of minutes | 12:49 |
| pitti | Laney: I like the fact that I can get a throwaway saucy VM in seconds with run-adt-test -sSl | 12:49 |
| pitti | err, -sUl | 12:49 |
| Laney | oh yeah, that is nice | 12:49 |
| * Laney needs a bigger SSD | 12:50 | |
| * darkxst just needs an SSD | 12:52 | |
| Laney | yes | 12:52 |
| Laney | everybody does | 12:52 |
| darkxst | yes 20 million source files brings even the best HDD to its knees | 12:52 |
| Laney | dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5867999/ there's my debian/ changes | 12:55 |
| Laney | you'll see the branch I pushed for the upstream ones | 12:56 |
| Mirv | sil2100: didrocks: hey, I'm running out of time here.. I haven't yet e-mailed SRU team about the XIM patches, could you do that? I was planning to check where are the raring branches of it, but so far I've only checked precise ones | 13:02 |
| Mirv | sil2100: the last item on the spreadsheet | 13:03 |
| Mirv | didrocks: I actually don't see anything proposed against the raring branches yet, and I initially only thought about precise (what bschaefer asked for) until you mentioned that SRU Team should be e-mailed about raring upload.. | 13:05 |
| Mirv | maybe precise is all that is wanted, at least from Brandon's side? | 13:05 |
| Mirv | sil2100: but regarding precise, it's the usual drill we're familiar with :) | 13:06 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: ok ;) | 13:17 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: I can handle that, Brandon poked me about that yesterday anyway | 13:17 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: so, since the queue is free, I'll poke the SRU guys about those and such | 13:18 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: you can assign the task to me | 13:18 |
| Mirv | sil2100: <3 | 13:19 |
| sil2100 | ;p | 13:19 |
| didrocks | sil2100: yeah, just to confirm to you: raring is OK, (libgrip is in UNAPPROVED) | 13:39 |
| didrocks | sil2100: we should just email the SRU team as the xim change fore precise is quite intrusive | 13:39 |
| desrt | didrocks: i see you went with notre dame over sacré coeur | 13:42 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: I know, I already e-mailed about that like a month ago, no response - will re-send | 13:44 |
| sil2100 | I also asked cjwatson but he said he doesn't know much about unity and I should find someone else ;p | 13:44 |
| didrocks | desrt: yeah, finally, we thought sacré cœur was overrated :) | 13:47 |
| desrt | i disagree, but it's your wedding :) | 13:47 |
| desrt | i wish the invite had come sooner. our trip to france is already booked for this year as of a week ago :/ | 13:48 |
| didrocks | desrt: ah, so bad :( (but I told you the dates before, isn't it?), so you won't be around? | 13:48 |
| desrt | didrocks: we'll see :) | 13:49 |
| desrt | but uh... i don't suppose i'll be able to rsvp by 30 june | 13:49 |
| didrocks | desrt: tssss :p time to catch you up and get your address, remember? ;) | 13:50 |
| didrocks | desrt: TBH, we just need the definitive answer at last a month before | 13:50 |
| desrt | that will be easy | 13:50 |
| desrt | we'll see how it goes | 13:50 |
| didrocks | desrt: keep us posted :) | 13:50 |
| desrt | nice card btw.... not as cute as the fingers... but nice :) | 13:50 |
| didrocks | desrt: you don't want to know how my parents hate the card :) | 13:53 |
| didrocks | desrt: we got compliments only from people within our age! | 13:54 |
| didrocks | desrt: I'll transmit to Julie to you liked the card ;) | 13:54 |
| didrocks | (and won't tell that you prefered the fingers) | 13:54 |
| desrt | she already knows :p | 13:55 |
| didrocks | desrt: TBH, I bet it was the case :p | 13:58 |
| === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley | ||
| rsalveti | seb128: I'll check what is happening with ofono when we don't have a sim card | 14:26 |
| rsalveti | from a quick look it'd make sense for ofono to export the imei even without sim card | 14:26 |
| seb128 | rsalveti, hey, feeling better? | 14:27 |
| rsalveti | seb128: better than yesterday at least :-) | 14:27 |
| rsalveti | but, weekend ahead | 14:27 |
| seb128 | rsalveti, thanks for checking ofono, at least it's moving in the right direction, with the update we have the imei when there is a sim card ;-) | 14:28 |
| rsalveti | great | 14:28 |
| seb128 | rsalveti, the qtsystems backend basically do org.ofono.Manager.GetModems and then GetProperty Serial on the first modem from that list | 14:28 |
| seb128 | rsalveti, e.g "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono / org.ofono.Manager.GetModems" | 14:29 |
| rsalveti | right, cool | 14:29 |
| seb128 | if you want a dump of the infos | 14:29 |
| seb128 | compare with/without sim maybe | 14:29 |
| === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha | ||
| seb128 | mterry, hey, want some easy karma? https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-greeter/use-ellipses-char/+merge/173477 ;-) | 14:43 |
| mterry | seb128, looking | 14:46 |
| * mterry could always use karma | 14:46 | |
| kenvandine | seb128 is all into bribing with karma these days | 15:04 |
| seb128 | haha | 15:04 |
| kenvandine | i miss the good old days of bribing with beer :) | 15:07 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, oh, don't worry, there will be plenty of beer for you, next time we have a team sprint ;-) | 15:11 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, Laney: should I renamed Licenses to License as well? | 15:14 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, Laney: or is it just that software and info don't have plural or something? | 15:15 |
| seb128 | you get information*s* in France, but I guess that's different in english? what about softwares, you can't have several of those? :-) | 15:15 |
| Laney | seb128: apparently they're both uncountable nouns ... | 15:18 |
| seb128 | software as well? | 15:19 |
| Laney | yes | 15:19 |
| seb128 | ok, learning every day | 15:19 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 15:19 |
| Laney | if Licenses is the component for displaying one package's license info then I'd have that singular too, yeah | 15:19 |
| seb128 | one package can have several licenses | 15:20 |
| seb128 | but I'm not picking, just tell me if singular is preferred | 15:20 |
| Laney | single sounds better to me | 15:22 |
| * Laney stares at gsettings-qt | 15:22 | |
| Laney | adding a property which is never assigned to breaks it | 15:23 |
| Laney | wtf? | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | larsu, how does this look for a MM vapi? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5868351/ | 15:26 |
| Laney | hmm | 15:37 |
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| tedg | seb128, What happens with gi repository typelib files and multi-arch ? | 16:37 |
| tedg | It seems like on my system Hud is the only person doing multi-arch there. | 16:37 |
| kenvandine | tedg, iirc they break... | 16:38 |
| seb128 | tedg, we don't do multiarch for gir | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | although i haven't looked lately | 16:38 |
| seb128 | you should move it back | 16:38 |
| tedg | Okay | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | larsu, is there any way i can run a locally built indicator-messages/phablet with some indicator loader like thing? or does it require unity8? | 16:39 |
| tedg | kenvandine, You can use indicator loader on an indicator file | 16:40 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, he called it a day already so you might not get a reply today | 16:40 |
| tedg | kenvandine, But I don't htink we have all the widgets in ido | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | tedg, will that work for the phablet build? | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | right | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | that's what i am trying to debug | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | and i can't kill indicator-messages-service on the phone | 16:40 |
| * seb128 is away for some exercice, be back in an hour | 16:40 | |
| tedg | kenvandine, Just a small patch to IDO and it'll all work ;-) | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | restarting it for debug output doesn't work :/ | 16:40 |
| kenvandine | tedg, do tell! | 16:40 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Hah, I'm fixing that now, putting an upstart job together. | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | i really want to be able to figure out why i never get the callback | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | replies to SMS works | 16:41 |
| tedg | bustle? | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | but my code doesn't | 16:41 |
| kenvandine | that's an option... i never think to run bustle over ssh :) | 16:41 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Can you look at this? I ended up doing more packaging than expected in the end: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-messages/upstart-job/+merge/174467 | 16:44 |
| * kenvandine looks | 16:45 | |
| kenvandine | tedg, what's the transition like from something dbus activated to upstart? shouldn't this break the panel or something? | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | anything that expected it to be activated with dbus? | 16:47 |
| tedg | kenvandine, We're starting it when loading the files, so they'll try, fail, and magically it'll appear. | 16:51 |
| kenvandine | so this won't break current unity7? | 16:51 |
| tedg | It shouldn't, just tested in a guest session... that one didn't work. indicator-sound/network do. | 16:52 |
| tedg | Not sure why messages is different yet. | 16:52 |
| kenvandine | tedg, see my comments in the MP too | 16:52 |
| kenvandine | tedg, also remember there is a indicator-messages/phablet branch, which has forked a bit... might be easier to merge this change into both branches now as opposed to expanding the delta | 16:53 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Yeah, I've been turning debug on for now. If nothing else, it's in it's own file now so it won't get in the way. | 16:53 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Sure, guessing this stuff didn't change much. | 16:53 |
| kenvandine | yeah, i know larsu plans to merge that soon... i'd hate to make that harder on him :) | 16:54 |
| tedg | Hmm, didn't realize this branch was still using a .so | 16:55 |
| tedg | Hmm, not even the phablet branch has an indicator file :-/ | 16:57 |
| tedg | Didn't realize indicator-messages was this far off. | 16:57 |
| kenvandine | tedg, yeah, hence my concern about not making the delta bigger | 17:00 |
| tedg | kenvandine, It actually merges cleanly, except for the conflicts that already exist between the two. | 17:02 |
| kenvandine | tedg, ok... what's the trick to X forwarding? | 17:03 |
| kenvandine | -Y isn't working | 17:03 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Did you install xauth ? | 17:05 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Also, it might be easier to do the capture on the device, and then just copy the file. | 17:05 |
| tedg | YMMV | 17:05 |
| kenvandine | oh yeah | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | been a while since i've used bustle | 17:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, xorg forwarding is -X not -Y | 18:12 |
| ogra_ | both are :) | 18:13 |
| seb128 | oh ok, I always used X | 18:13 |
| ogra_ | -Y is "trusted" X11 forwarding ... | 18:13 |
| ogra_ | whatever that means :P | 18:14 |
| ogra_ | (i think -Y drops some security) | 18:14 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey, is libraw 0.15 a stable or unstable serie? | 18:17 |
| seb128 | jbicha, oh, and please wait that Debian gets some work done on transition before jumping on those, that's creating extra work for no good reason... | 18:17 |
| jbicha | seb128: http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libraw.html | 18:20 |
| jbicha | http://www.libraw.org/ claims that 0.15 is stable | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | larsu, the vapi i generated worked... i now have an equally buggy vala example using lp:indicator-messages/phablet :-D | 18:32 |
| robru | qengho, ping? I'm trying to find out when chromium >25 first landed in saucy. | 18:36 |
| robru | qengho, nm, just found it's debian/changelog | 18:41 |
| kenvandine | interesting | 18:42 |
| kenvandine | it looks like it was actually just published today | 18:42 |
| kenvandine | 28 that is | 18:42 |
| kenvandine | robru, maybe it's been stuck in -proposed? | 18:44 |
| robru | odd | 18:44 |
| Laney | it has | 18:44 |
| Laney | it failed to build on armhf lots | 18:44 |
| robru | that explains v28, but was v26 also stuck in -proposed for it's entire life? I'm only just now upgrading from v25 to v28 | 18:45 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+publishinghistory | 18:45 |
| robru | well I'll be damned | 18:46 |
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| robru | I vote that we delete ALL debian/changelog files and just replace them with links to that URL. | 18:50 |
| seb128 | jbicha, where do you see on http://www.libraw.org/ that 0.15 is considered stable? | 19:21 |
| seb128 | jbicha, oh; on the side, I see | 19:22 |
| seb128 | would be nice if they would put those infos in the release notes | 19:22 |
| seb128 | jbicha, not sure what's going on with that tracker package, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt lists 45 items for that transition | 19:23 |
| seb128 | though those are binary packages, but that's at least 15 sources | 19:24 |
| Laney | it's probably transitive rdepends | 19:25 |
| seb128 | Laney, stop being on IRC a friday at 8:25pm ;-) | 19:25 |
| Laney | +1h to you :P | 19:26 |
| Laney | I'm playing games on my desktop though ;-) | 19:26 |
| seb128 | damn, I don't even have that excuse :p | 19:26 |
| jbicha | seb128: the libraw transition is done now | 19:28 |
| seb128 | jbicha, yeah, saw that, I would still appreciate if you were asking around before starting transition/moving to new series | 19:28 |
| seb128 | we got bitten a few times now by that | 19:28 |
| jbicha | it seemed harmless as there were only 4 rdepends and Debian had already done all the work | 19:29 |
| seb128 | there is no reason to always jump on the newest series when the update doesn't bring anything but is likely to create bugs | 19:29 |
| seb128 | well, for what we know there might be new bugs | 19:29 |
| seb128 | jbicha, thanks for all the work you are doing, sorry if I sound grumpy sometime, it's not always easy to find a balance between doing update and aiming at stability | 19:34 |
| seb128 | we had a fun updates this cycle that did cost us quite some bugs/debugging time (including the new gtk) | 19:35 |
| jbicha | yes, the balance is tricky | 19:35 |
| seb128 | we also had a fun people starting transition and letting stuff in proposed for others to finish | 19:35 |
| jbicha | I do appreciate the extra stability that we've had for raring and saucy even though the delay gets annoying some times too | 19:36 |
| seb128 | (not always on purpose, sometimes it's soname changes overlooked when syncing with debian or updating) | 19:36 |
| seb128 | oh, on the gtk note, don't count on gtk 3.10 any time soon... | 19:36 |
| seb128 | seems like mccann decided to pick gtk as his next project to go against and break/drop half the feature before moving away to the next one :/ | 19:37 |
| jbicha | lol | 19:38 |
| jbicha | it seems that gtk3 has always been disruptive | 19:39 |
| seb128 | looking to https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?qt=committer&q=mccann give an idea of what he's doing | 19:39 |
| seb128 | Deprecate and hardcode default toolbar style setting | 19:39 |
| seb128 | Deprecate and hardcode values for gtk-tooltip* timeouts | 19:39 |
| seb128 | Deprecate and hardcode the value of visible-focus setting | 19:39 |
| seb128 | Deprecate and ignore gtk-enable-tooltips setting | 19:39 |
| seb128 | ... | 19:39 |
| seb128 | going on a page | 19:39 |
| seb128 | yeah, they used to deprecate saying that those would be dropped in gtk4 | 19:40 |
| seb128 | he went for "let's ignore the config in 3.10" | 19:40 |
| seb128 | "Deprecate and ignore gtk-can-change-accels" | 19:40 |
| seb128 | that's going to be popular :p | 19:40 |
| jbicha | well it's like for the 3.8 cycle, deprecate fallback == remove everything that fallback uses but gnome-shell doesn't need with no deprecation cycle in between | 19:41 |
| seb128 | right :/ | 19:41 |
| seb128 | well, let's say I'm glad we decided to stay one cycle behind | 19:42 |
| seb128 | ok, on that note, enough work for this week | 19:44 |
| seb128 | have a nice weekend everyone, see you next week | 19:44 |
| qengho | robru: Got it? | 20:09 |
| qengho | robru: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/chromium-browser/+builds | 20:11 |
| qengho | robru: inherited v25 from raring on first day. | 20:11 |
| chrisccoulson | qengho, were you planning to prepare the latest chromium stable? | 20:12 |
| chrisccoulson | (and hi, btw) | 20:12 |
| qengho | chrisccoulson: yes. Upstream isn't making release tarballs right now, so I'm having to check it out from their wonky source control system. | 20:13 |
| chrisccoulson | qengho, awesome, thanks | 20:13 |
| robru | qengho, yeah, no worries. I was just really surprised to discover that I was running v25 when other people were reporting webapps bugs against chromium 27 and 28. | 20:41 |
| qengho | robru: one architecture keeps failing to build for S. | 20:44 |
| robru | qengho, congrats on getting v28 out ;-) | 20:44 |
| asac | anyone strong from MIR team around? | 21:07 |
| asac | anyone konws who is strong? :) | 21:07 |
| asac | and also knows a bit about distro/packaging? | 21:07 |
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