| roasted | hello | 04:50 |
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| roasted | what is this crazy talk about 3.9.4 out already? | 04:50 |
| roasted | also, looks like 3.10 is slated for a late sept release. I wonder if that'll end up in 13.10 by default? | 04:59 |
| darkxst | ricotz, hi | 10:51 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hi | 10:53 |
| darkxst | I was thinking to start upload some 3.9 bits to the ppa, what do you think? | 10:54 |
| ricotz | darkxst, sounds fine | 10:54 |
| ricotz | while there is finally a cogl release, it would be nice to transition to it immediately then | 10:55 |
| ricotz | and enable the full wayland support with it | 10:55 |
| darkxst | yeh that would be good | 10:56 |
| ricotz | https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/unstable/+packages | 10:56 |
| ricotz | dont install those packages like that ;) | 10:56 |
| ricotz | there is a breaks missing which would prevent that | 10:56 |
| darkxst | ok | 10:56 |
| darkxst | ricotz, you added xwayland manually? | 10:57 |
| darkxst | considering it hasnt been merged yet afaik? | 10:58 |
| ricotz | yes | 10:58 |
| ricotz | this is more for testing, the xorg-edgers package includes it too | 10:58 |
| ricotz | there are still the ddx side patches needed | 10:58 |
| darkxst | ok cool, too bad I am stuck on the binary blob here | 10:59 |
| ricotz | yeah, intel is kind of the best to test it | 10:59 |
| darkxst | could never get my second monitor to work on nouvaeu | 10:59 |
| darkxst | my laptop has intel, buts its not really my dev playground. kind of needs to be stable ;) | 10:59 |
| ricotz | darkxst, that is fine | 11:01 |
| darkxst | maybe wayland works in vmware though? | 11:01 |
| Rand_ | hello everybody! I have a great problem with my vuze on ubuntu 13.04 : the window is not responding before I get the gnome 3.8 it was working perfectly, I am on vuze 5.0 is someone know what to do ? | 11:02 |
| ricotz | darkxst, i guess it should | 11:02 |
| darkxst | Rand_, you might be better trying a more generic channel such as #ubuntu for that. Vuze is not part of gnome | 11:03 |
| darkxst | ricotz, I will try when I get a chance. | 11:04 |
| darkxst | I do remember seeing mentions of wayland support in the changelogs along the way though | 11:05 |
| ricotz | darkxst, it was quite in flux, but with the abi/api promise of wayland 1.1.91 it should calm down | 11:05 |
| ricotz | only gtk builds the wayland backend | 11:05 |
| ricotz | 3.9.8 require wayland 1.1.90 | 11:05 |
| ricotz | to prepare the full support for mutter the support in cogl and clutter needs to be enabled too | 11:06 |
| darkxst | I pretty sure I don't have any Qt apps (excluding ubuntu apps) | 11:06 |
| darkxst | we have pretty much free reign on that this cycle though? assuming its actually ready | 11:07 |
| darkxst | Jono has some idea of a Mir backend for gnome-shell, lol ;) | 11:08 |
| darkxst | no idea where that will come from ! | 11:08 |
| ricotz | huh? | 11:09 |
| ricotz | i *really* doubt that | 11:09 |
| darkxst | ricotz, yes me too | 11:09 |
| ricotz | the needed changes for mutter are quite something | 11:09 |
| ricotz | and no mir for gnome-shell, without support for mutter/cogl/clutter | 11:09 |
| ricotz | and gtk, of course | 11:10 |
| darkxst | yeh I know, its super complicated with just X and wayland | 11:10 |
| darkxst | no way upstream will take a 3rd complication | 11:10 |
| ricotz | absolutely | 11:10 |
| darkxst | I think jono is just dreaming.... | 11:11 |
| darkxst | because there is no way canonical would do it. and its well beyond us | 11:11 |
| ricotz | let see what the future brings for mir | 11:13 |
| ricotz | i hope fedora will pick up testing GNOME/wayland soon | 11:13 |
| ricotz | or even debian | 11:14 |
| darkxst | fedora should! its always broken anyways ;) | 11:15 |
| ricotz | jfyi https://lists.launchpad.net/elementary-dev-community/msg02491.html | 11:15 |
| darkxst | ricotz, that sounds almost exactly the same as the conversation I had with jono | 11:16 |
| ricotz | darkxst, probably ;) | 11:17 |
| darkxst | apparently there is some delusional idea that upstream might consider ubuntu flavours as different distros | 11:19 |
| ricotz | darkxst, i hope they do in regards helping with wayland problems ;) | 11:20 |
| darkxst | well ironically, they may well if all the flavours switch to wayland | 11:21 |
| ricotz | is there an eta when mir lands in saucy? | 11:21 |
| ricotz | (the package itself) | 11:21 |
| darkxst | not entirely sure | 11:22 |
| darkxst | currently its just Xmir | 11:22 |
| darkxst | all input etc is still through X | 11:22 |
| ricotz | yeah, i know | 11:22 |
| darkxst | so really just a system compositor for rendering | 11:23 |
| ricotz | i am just curious about the init changes when this happens | 11:23 |
| darkxst | lightdm lauches u-s-c | 11:23 |
| ricotz | you mean session-compositor? | 11:24 |
| darkxst | yeh | 11:24 |
| darkxst | they call it unity-system-compositor of course! | 11:24 |
| ricotz | ok | 11:24 |
| darkxst | so there shouldnt be any init changes provided you are using gdm or other dm | 11:24 |
| ricotz | right | 11:25 |
| darkxst | you can force fallback by patching a conf file | 11:25 |
| darkxst | and I think there is also a lock file that is created after things fails, so lightdm doesnt bother trying again in case your system doesnt happen to work | 11:26 |
| darkxst | anyway at the end of the day wayland is the future for gnome | 11:32 |
| darkxst | and I am pretty sure we did bulk of work on landing the gnome 3.8 stack | 11:33 |
| darkxst | yet they won't provide any help for example making gdm work under Xmir | 11:34 |
| darkxst | ricotz, can you upload gtk 3.9.4? I will start uploading other packages then, when I get back from my adventures tomorrw | 12:26 |
| ricotz | darkxst, you mean 3.9.8? | 12:27 |
| darkxst | yeh that too | 12:27 |
| darkxst | I have been running on jhbuild so far this cycle | 12:28 |
| ricotz | it will break the unity menu stuff while there is no port of that patch | 12:28 |
| ricotz | if i get to it everything will go into gnome3-staging/saucy first | 12:30 |
| darkxst | ok sounds good | 12:30 |
| darkxst | I mean it would be better we don;t break unity, but the people using staging probably don't care | 12:31 |
| ricotz | darkxst, lars wasnt declined to work on porting the patch though if it is needed | 12:34 |
| darkxst | ricotz, ok, that is good I guess | 12:41 |
| darkxst | assuming wasnt == hasnt | 12:41 |
| roasted | hello friend | 13:49 |
| roasted | s | 13:49 |
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| amjjawad | darkxst: | 14:42 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: | 17:28 |
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| amjjawad | darkxst: I've been waiting here for a long time :( | 19:32 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: looks like you are not here | 19:32 |
| jbicha | amjjawad: he has to sleep some time ;) | 20:07 |
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| amjjawad | jbicha: thanks :) | 20:07 |
| amjjawad | I will catch up with him later then. He did not tell me what time he be online | 20:07 |
| jbicha | darkxst: hibernate on lid close bug 1194328 | 23:58 |
| ubot5 | bug 1194328 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 13.10 Close LID actions Ignored" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194328 | 23:58 |
| jbicha | (I don't use that feature but if you wanted somewhere to track that...) | 23:59 |
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