[04:50] <roasted> hello
[04:50] <roasted> what is this crazy talk about 3.9.4 out already?
[04:59] <roasted> also, looks like 3.10 is slated for a late sept release. I wonder if that'll end up in 13.10 by default?
[10:51] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[10:53] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[10:54] <darkxst> I was thinking to start upload some 3.9 bits to the ppa, what do you think?
[10:54] <ricotz> darkxst, sounds fine
[10:55] <ricotz> while there is finally a cogl release, it would be nice to transition to it immediately then
[10:55] <ricotz> and enable the full wayland support with it
[10:56] <darkxst> yeh that would be good
[10:56] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/unstable/+packages
[10:56] <ricotz> dont install those packages like that ;)
[10:56] <ricotz> there is a breaks missing which would prevent that
[10:56] <darkxst> ok
[10:57] <darkxst> ricotz, you added xwayland manually?
[10:58] <darkxst> considering it hasnt been merged yet afaik?
[10:58] <ricotz> yes
[10:58] <ricotz> this is more for testing, the xorg-edgers package includes it too
[10:58] <ricotz> there are still the ddx side patches needed
[10:59] <darkxst> ok cool, too bad I am stuck on the binary blob here
[10:59] <ricotz> yeah, intel is kind of the best to test it
[10:59] <darkxst> could never get my second monitor to work on nouvaeu
[10:59] <darkxst> my laptop has intel, buts its not really my dev playground. kind of needs to be stable ;)
[11:01] <ricotz> darkxst, that is fine
[11:01] <darkxst> maybe wayland works in vmware though?
[11:02] <Rand_> hello everybody! I have a great problem with my vuze on ubuntu 13.04 : the window is not responding before I get the gnome 3.8 it was working perfectly, I am on vuze 5.0 is someone know what to do ?
[11:02] <ricotz> darkxst, i guess it should
[11:03] <darkxst> Rand_, you might be better trying a more generic channel such as #ubuntu for that. Vuze is not part of gnome
[11:04] <darkxst> ricotz, I will try when I get a chance.
[11:05] <darkxst> I do remember seeing mentions of wayland support in the changelogs along the way though
[11:05] <ricotz> darkxst, it was quite in flux, but with the abi/api promise of wayland 1.1.91 it should calm down
[11:05] <ricotz> only gtk builds the wayland backend
[11:05] <ricotz> 3.9.8 require wayland 1.1.90
[11:06] <ricotz> to prepare the full support for mutter the support in cogl and clutter needs to be enabled too
[11:06] <darkxst> I pretty sure I don't have any Qt apps (excluding ubuntu apps)
[11:07] <darkxst> we have pretty much free reign on that this cycle though? assuming its actually ready
[11:08] <darkxst> Jono has some idea of a Mir backend for gnome-shell, lol ;)
[11:08] <darkxst> no idea where that will come from !
[11:09] <ricotz> huh?
[11:09] <ricotz> i *really* doubt that
[11:09] <darkxst> ricotz, yes me too
[11:09] <ricotz> the needed changes for mutter are quite something
[11:09] <ricotz> and no mir for gnome-shell, without support for mutter/cogl/clutter
[11:10] <ricotz> and gtk, of course
[11:10] <darkxst> yeh I know, its super complicated with just X and wayland
[11:10] <darkxst> no way upstream will take a 3rd complication
[11:10] <ricotz> absolutely
[11:11] <darkxst> I think jono is just dreaming....
[11:11] <darkxst> because there is no way canonical would do it. and its well beyond us
[11:13] <ricotz> let see what the future brings for mir
[11:13] <ricotz> i hope fedora will pick up testing GNOME/wayland soon
[11:14] <ricotz> or even debian
[11:15] <darkxst> fedora should! its always broken anyways ;)
[11:15] <ricotz> jfyi https://lists.launchpad.net/elementary-dev-community/msg02491.html
[11:16] <darkxst> ricotz, that sounds almost exactly the same as the conversation I had with jono
[11:17] <ricotz> darkxst, probably ;)
[11:19] <darkxst> apparently there is some delusional idea that upstream might consider ubuntu flavours as different distros
[11:20] <ricotz> darkxst, i hope they do in regards helping with wayland problems ;)
[11:21] <darkxst> well ironically, they may well if all the flavours switch to wayland
[11:21] <ricotz> is there an eta when mir lands in saucy?
[11:21] <ricotz> (the package itself)
[11:22] <darkxst> not entirely sure
[11:22] <darkxst> currently its just Xmir
[11:22] <darkxst> all input etc is still through X
[11:22] <ricotz> yeah, i know
[11:23] <darkxst> so really just a system compositor for rendering
[11:23] <ricotz> i am just curious about the init changes when this happens
[11:23] <darkxst> lightdm lauches u-s-c
[11:24] <ricotz> you mean session-compositor?
[11:24] <darkxst> yeh
[11:24] <darkxst> they call it unity-system-compositor of course!
[11:24] <ricotz> ok
[11:24] <darkxst> so there shouldnt be any init changes provided you are using gdm or other dm
[11:25] <ricotz> right
[11:25] <darkxst> you can force fallback by patching a conf file
[11:26] <darkxst> and I think there is also a lock file that is created after things fails, so lightdm doesnt bother trying again in case your system doesnt happen to work
[11:32] <darkxst> anyway at the end of the day wayland is the future for gnome
[11:33] <darkxst> and I am pretty sure we did bulk of work on landing the gnome 3.8 stack
[11:34] <darkxst> yet they won't provide any help for example making gdm work under Xmir
[12:26] <darkxst> ricotz, can you upload gtk 3.9.4? I will start uploading other packages then, when I get back from my adventures tomorrw
[12:27] <ricotz> darkxst, you mean 3.9.8?
[12:27] <darkxst> yeh that too
[12:28] <darkxst> I have been running on jhbuild so far this cycle
[12:28] <ricotz> it will break the unity menu stuff while there is no port of that patch
[12:30] <ricotz> if i get to it everything will go into gnome3-staging/saucy first
[12:30] <darkxst> ok sounds good
[12:31] <darkxst> I mean it would be better we don;t break unity, but the people using staging probably don't care
[12:34] <ricotz> darkxst, lars wasnt declined to work on porting the patch though if it is needed
[12:41] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, that is good I guess
[12:41] <darkxst> assuming wasnt == hasnt
[13:49] <roasted> hello friend
[13:49] <roasted> s
[14:42] <amjjawad> darkxst:
[17:28] <amjjawad> darkxst:
[19:32] <amjjawad> darkxst: I've been waiting here for a long time :(
[19:32] <amjjawad> darkxst: looks like you are not here
[20:07] <jbicha> amjjawad: he has to sleep some time ;)
[20:07] <amjjawad> jbicha: thanks :)
[20:07] <amjjawad> I will catch up with him later then. He did not tell me what time he be online
[23:58] <jbicha> darkxst: hibernate on lid close bug 1194328
[23:59] <jbicha> (I don't use that feature but if you wanted somewhere to track that...)