[00:00] <ali1234> http://incrediblethinking.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/wearable-and-chic-smartphone-charger/
[00:00] <ali1234> pwnd
[00:01] <ali1234> D:
[00:01] <Azelphur> haha, yea
[00:01] <Azelphur> pretty much exactly the same as I plan to do with my coat (I wanna induction charge the coat, too)
[00:01] <ali1234> hmm wait no, it has a "dock connector"
[00:01] <ali1234> so that's not the same
[00:01] <Azelphur> ah :)
[00:02] <Azelphur> yea, it's for iPhones and they lack NFC
[00:02] <funkyHat> chic, really? That thing looks horrible.
[00:02] <popey> its not nfc
[00:02] <Azelphur> Maybe I should get into design and make a coat, haha
[00:02] <Azelphur> sorry, induction
[00:02] <popey> my wife has an induction charger for her iphone
[00:02] <Azelphur> I've caught my friends illness, he keeps calling induction NFC, dammit. XD
[00:02] <popey> has a thin clamp around the phone
[00:02] <popey> works well
[00:02] <Azelphur> popey: yea, but you have to have an ugly case thing, yea
[00:03] <popey> all phone cases are ugly
[00:03] <popey> induction or not
[00:03] <Azelphur> popey: interestingly, inside those cases are just a pretty thin coil, it actually seems pretty simple to just pull the coil out, take the back off the phone, and dump it in there
[00:03] <ali1234> NFC is not charging tech
[00:03] <Azelphur> I'm gonna try and do it with my nexus 7
[00:04] <ali1234> yeah lots of people do that
[00:04] <ali1234> also you can just buy a replacement back cover with the coil already on it for many phones
[00:04] <ali1234> someone did this exact hack on the n900
[00:04] <ali1234> years ago :)
[00:04] <Azelphur> sweet :D
[00:04] <ali1234> you could even get one custom 3d printed
[00:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:05] <ali1234> have you thought about the possible health effects of a high energy EM field extremely close to your body? i mean this is going to be much more powerful than the radio transmitters...
[00:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope
[00:06] <Azelphur> if I die, I blame everyone but me
[00:06] <ali1234> well if you die at least you won't be able to say i didn't warn you
[00:07] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: are there any serious risks associated with that?
[00:08] <ali1234> i don't know -
[00:09] <ali1234> and it's pretty hard to get real answers when there is so much FUD about even wifi and power lines and all that
[00:10] <ali1234> i think i'll stick with my trusty charging cable and 5 day battery life symbian phone
[00:10] <Azelphur> yea
[00:10] <Azelphur> sure I'll be fine, it's just magnets.
[00:10] <Azelphur> and we're never gonna figure out how they work
[00:13] <ali1234> i wish bbc would leave all their documentaries on iplayer permanently. it's not like they are gonna sell them on dvd
[00:15] <ali1234> if they ever repeat this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00kjq6d it explains how magnets work :)
[00:15] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:17] <ali1234> if you believe that show, electricity was first "used" for magic tricks, because nobody could figure out how it worked or how to use it for anything
[00:17] <ali1234> i don't know how true that is though
[06:14] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:31] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[06:44] <knightwise> hey BigRedS
[06:47] <BigRedS> Ah! Good morning!
[06:47] <BigRedS> How's things?
[06:55] <MooDoo> morning
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9c8x9QkB1qdtjvlo1_1280.jpg
[07:35] <BigRedS> haha
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: this is brilliant: http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/nokia%203310
[07:36] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[07:36] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> It's FRIDAY
[07:37] <brobostigon> yes,
[08:09] <kaushal> Hi
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> \o kaushal
[08:09] <kaushal> Any wiki page for installing Java JDK 7 on Ubuntu raring ringtail 13.04?
[08:09] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Hi
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: help.ubuntu.com? :)
[08:10] <kaushal> ok
[08:11] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: so its installed using PPA?
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> the partners repository, iirc
[08:14] <kaushal> ok
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> oh that page seems wrong
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't use update-java-alternatives
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> (which you want)
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Cow Appreciation Day! (With a shout out to Embrace Your Geekness Day tomorrow) :-D
[08:36] <SuperMatt> exec -o cowsay moo
[08:36] <SuperMatt>  _____
[08:36] <SuperMatt> < moo >
[08:36] <SuperMatt>  -----
[08:36] <SuperMatt>         \   ^__^
[08:36] <SuperMatt>          \  (oo)\_______
[08:36] <SuperMatt>             (__)\       )\/\
[08:36] <SuperMatt>                 ||----w |
[08:36] <SuperMatt>                 ||     ||
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: exec -o apt-get moo | cowsay
[08:38] <SuperMatt> well that's just silly
[08:41] <MooDoo> ,pp
[08:41] <MooDoo> moo even
[08:41] <Laney> i bet it mangles it
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> it does. a lot.
[08:42] <SuperMatt> it does
[08:42] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5867516/
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> mangled cow!
[08:42] <SuperMatt> ...
[08:42] <SuperMatt> I'm glad you didn't paste that in here
[09:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> howdy bigcalm
[09:10]  * christel does a little dance
[09:10]  * bigcalm makes a little love
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> christel: ♫ It's friday, friday
[09:12] <SuperMatt> gotta get down on friday
[09:14] <christel> it is
[09:14] <christel> AND
[09:14] <christel> my first feature length movie has just become available to the american market (UK to follow)
[09:14] <christel> WHICH IS ALL VERY EXCITING
[09:14] <christel> :D:D
[09:15] <directhex> "young harlots in manchester"?
[09:16] <christel> haha
[09:16] <MooDoo> this friday sucks.....nuff said
[09:16] <christel> http://www.amazon.com/After-Death/dp/B00DM12QTM/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1373576618&sr=1-2&keywords=after+death / http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1822203/ :)
[09:16] <christel> the imdb link has a trailer if you fancy a quick glance
[09:16] <christel> a few harlots, not that many!
[09:17] <MooDoo> christel: what's your involvent in it?  forgive my ignorance?
[09:17] <MooDoo> christel: ignore that,
[09:17] <MooDoo> just seen it
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> associate producer, according to imdb
[09:18] <MooDoo> yeah just spotted it
[09:55] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:59] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:59] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:01] <SuperMatt> morning guys
[10:13] <bigcalm> Hullo
[10:30] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/gallery/M8LwEaU/ don't make the same mistake as me and misread this headline
[10:30] <MooDoo> ol
[10:31] <SuperMatt> ol?
[10:31] <SuperMatt> ordered list?
[10:32] <MooDoo> lol i meant doh!
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[10:37] <SuperMatt> thank you for closing your tags
[10:38] <SuperMatt> one thing I hate (and which is prevalant on the internet these days, is when people don't close their brackets
[10:38] <SuperMatt> tags annoy me just as much
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> )
[10:38] <popey> {
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> }
[10:38] <SuperMatt> *phew*
[10:38] <popey> {{({({{({(({({({{{({({({({({({
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> :(
[10:38] <popey> :D
[10:38] <SuperMatt> argh!
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> <
[10:39] <SuperMatt> why so mean?
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> «
[10:40] <SuperMatt> well, I'll just go and cry into my cup-a-soup now. I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY
[10:40] <popey> \o/ great success
[10:41] <neuro> at least you have a cup a soup
[10:41] <SuperMatt> I don't really
[10:41] <SuperMatt> it just seemed to be the most humerous thing I could cry in to
[10:41] <neuro> so you're a soup liar?
[10:41] <SuperMatt> I am a soup liar
[10:41] <neuro> you have soup for bones?
[10:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders what to have for lunch...
[10:41] <SuperMatt> I've got a wrap
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ask AlanBell ;)
[10:41] <neuro> TheOpenSourcerer: i would go with ... food
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm at home
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> He's in the office
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: sure, but he has "food" :)
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed MartijnVdS
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can't really leave the house. Windows have been painted and can't be shut for a few hours yet. Only me here. :-(
[10:43] <SuperMatt> omg, someone who *didn't* paint the windows shut?
[10:43] <SuperMatt> I hate when people do that
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:43] <neuro> open door, leave house, close door, lock door, forage for food
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> neuro: .. have house cleaned out by burglars who come in through the open window
[10:44] <neuro> well, that's a risk
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> (and leave paint everywhere they go)
[10:44] <neuro> TheOpenSourcerer: nowhere near you that delivers food?
[10:44] <SuperMatt> just eat ftw
[10:44] <SuperMatt> I suggest having a curry for lunch
[10:44] <SuperMatt> or a kebab
[10:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was rather thinking of making something from what is in the cupboards/fridge/freezer
[10:45] <neuro> my local domino's opened 45 mins ago
[10:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Domino's are a scurge on the planet. Crappiest, most expensive junk you can buy. They are really bad pizzas. Disgusting.
[10:46] <neuro> in your opinion
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> IMHO of course ;-)
[10:46] <SuperMatt> papp johns are winning my heart at the moment
[10:46] <bigcalm> directhex: Bioshock Infinite is at 50%, buy now or wait for it to be 75%?
[10:46] <neuro> czajkowski: hey, i see skynet's working again
[10:46] <directhex> bigcalm, it won't be <50% until the xmas sale.
[10:46] <neuro> SuperMatt: my nearest papa johns is too far away to deliver
[10:46] <czajkowski> I'm back :-)
[10:46] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: is 75% a sure thing?
[10:46] <czajkowski> skynet has risen !
[10:46] <SuperMatt> touch choices
[10:46]  * MartijnVdS hides
[10:46] <neuro> czajkowski: and in da panic, did dey try to pull da plug?
[10:47] <bigcalm> directhex: I didn't think it would get much better than the 50%. Ponder ponder
[10:47] <SuperMatt> awww man, I think I might order papa johns for dindins tonight
[10:47] <SuperMatt> thanks guys, you're a real help
[10:47] <neuro> SuperMatt: bah
[10:47] <czajkowski> neuro: blame the air con :)
[10:47] <czajkowski> Irish servers :)
[10:47] <neuro> lol
[10:48] <neuro> http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/55173857845/trying-to-explain-to-someone-how-dos-works
[10:51] <bigcalm> Woo, my phone is repaired and ready for collection. I've missed having it in my pocket
[10:52] <neuro> f'nar
[10:52]  * TheOpenSourcerer radiates last night's left over Tuna Pasta Bake, and grabs a TS Butch T from the greenhouse.
[10:52] <bigcalm> Alice Madness Returns - any good? I enjoyed the 1st one
[10:52] <SuperMatt> so so
[10:53] <SuperMatt> I would just stick with fond memories for the first
[10:53] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[10:54] <SuperMatt> there's really nothing that I want in this sale
[10:54] <SuperMatt> which is good for my wallet
[10:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:55] <neuro> i found out yesterday that my quarterly bonus won't be in my grubby mitts until this pay day, so i'm buying *nothing* until then :)
[10:56] <neuro> at least, nothing gadgety/gamey/appy
[10:56] <neuro> cos, you know, food
[10:58] <mungbean> bonus hah
[10:58] <mungbean> i remember those days
[11:03] <popey> \o/ bonus
[11:04] <DVRR> hi
[11:04] <neuro> popey: once a quarter, if i meet my perf targets ;)
[11:04] <neuro> HELLOOOOOOO
[11:07] <DVRR> i have  ubuntu apache2  server  small   problam  could  you  solve
[11:07] <neuro> depends what the problem is ;)
[11:12] <neuro> http://guff.zensoft.net/jeopardy.think.mp3
[11:14] <neuro> DVRR: whenever you're ready ...
[11:14] <DVRR> sorry  i have  tomcat  server also   i am redirecting to   port 8080 to  80
[11:15] <DVRR> my website  access  www.example.com ,example.com  both   but   www.example.com   some  urls   are  not  working
[11:16] <DVRR> example.com  all  urls  working
[11:17] <neuro> do you have two separate VirtualHost configurations for www.example.com and example.com? Or are you using a ServerAlias for one of them?
[11:18] <DVRR> no  i have  only  1  server and  1 VirtualHost configuration
[11:19] <DVRR> i am  configuration   tomcat  cluster  different  ports
[11:20] <neuro> you should check your error logs and see what happens when you have problems
[11:21] <DVRR> which  log   tomcat  or apache
[11:21] <neuro> look at whatever you have defined for ErrorLog in your apache config, and also look at your catalina logs for tomcat
[11:23] <DVRR> logs  no  error  show
[11:23] <neuro> what do you mean by "not working"?
[11:23] <neuro> there's not a lot of info to go on here
[11:38] <popey> http://madebynathan.com/2013/07/10/raspberry-pi-powered-microwave/
[11:38] <popey> brilliant
[11:48] <neuro> hmm, guess DVRR didn't want help after all :(
[11:49] <neuro> they'd perhaps have gotten better luck in #ubuntu-in
[11:49] <neuro> popey: that is total total class
[11:52] <neuro> i've always wondered why modern microwaves don't have "cook at A power for B seconds, stand for C seconds, cook at D power for E seconds" command queuing ability
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> because they have "easy defrost" programs
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> instead
[11:53] <neuro> that's different though
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> Those are pre-programmed queues like that
[11:53] <neuro> yes but defrosting != cooking
[11:53] <popey> yeah, ours does
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> with some parameters (weight, type of food)
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> neuro: mine has "auto-cook" mode
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> neuro: as well as auto-defrost
[11:53] <neuro> hmmm
[11:54] <popey> just need replicators and we're done ☻
[11:54] <neuro> in fairness, my microwave is coming up on 13 yrs old, so i can't say i've looked at current options
[11:54] <neuro> YES
[11:54] <popey> yeah, ours is ~12 years old too
[11:54] <popey> need to replace the bulb
[11:54] <neuro> "Computer, coffee, Jamaican blend, double strong, double sweet"
[11:54] <popey> it's been blown for ~8 years
[11:54] <Laney> haha
[11:54] <Laney> fsvo "need"
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> neuro: <computer serves tea, earl gray, hot instead>
[11:55] <neuro> "Computer, prune juice, extra large"
[11:56] <davmor2> Yay power outage day in Wolverhampton
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yay!
[11:57] <neuro> "Computer, raktajino"
[11:57] <popey> speaking of which... http://jim-nielsen.com/sandbox/old-interfaces/
[11:57] <popey> "Screenshots of computer interfaces from old movies"
[11:57] <neuro> yay
[11:57] <SuperMatt> I know this, this is unux!
[11:58] <neuro> SuperMatt: quote fail
[11:59] <SuperMatt> oh bums
[11:59] <popey> wasn't jurassic park before you were born SuperMatt ? ☻
[11:59] <SuperMatt> no!
[11:59] <neuro> http://startreksysadmin.tumblr.com/post/38064860305/bynars-love-unix
[11:59] <SuperMatt> I saw it in the cinema, thank you very much
[11:59] <Myrtti> neuro: our microwave does have that
[11:59] <Myrtti> (command queuing ability)
[11:59] <neuro> bah, screw you guys and your 21st century microwaves
[12:00] <Myrtti> well it cost about 150pounds so it better have all the bells and whistles in it
[12:00] <SuperMatt> ...
[12:00] <SuperMatt> why?
[12:01] <Myrtti> why did it cost that much?
[12:01] <SuperMatt> why would you spend that much!
[12:02] <neuro> why do people buy Macs instead of Eee PCs?
[12:02] <neuro> why do people buy Audis instead of Smart cars?
[12:02] <Myrtti> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/panasonic-microwaves-2154-commercial.html
[12:02] <SuperMatt> but my £20 one from argos does most of that
[12:02] <SuperMatt> it boggles me
[12:03] <Myrtti> I do doubt that
[12:03] <SuperMatt> what does it do better, that's what I really want to know
[12:03] <neuro> the heat is licked onto the food by kittens
[12:04] <Myrtti> "You’ll find Panasonic’s Inverter technology on most of our microwave models. This gives constant energy on medium and low power settings (instead of switching on and off as traditional microwave ovens do) - providing the perfect, even cooking process for your food whilst saving energy."
[12:04] <SuperMatt> ah
[12:04] <Myrtti> good for making porridge for example
[12:04] <SuperMatt> all right, that's cool
[12:04] <popey> hehe
[12:04]  * popey hugs his 150 quid toaster ☻
[12:04] <Myrtti> the grill and oven functionality is great too when we're having a Fray Bentos pie and two baked potatoes
[12:05] <popey> nom!
[12:05] <Myrtti> quicker to heat up than the big oven
[12:05]  * MartijnVdS has an IKEA microwave/oven/grill combo thingy
[12:05] <neuro> i wonder if i can get a samsung one with android ...
[12:05] <neuro> Samsung Galaxy Oven
[12:05] <Myrtti> and it even makes a sound when it's done heating up
[12:07] <neuro> i still can't get my head around combination microwave thingies
[12:07] <neuro> like, can you use it like a "normal" oven?
[12:08] <Myrtti> speeds up making baked potatoes
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/60182568/ <-- mine
[12:08] <neuro> that doesn't really answer my question ;)
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> well not quite.. but almost
[12:09] <neuro> my "real" oven is old and crap
[12:13] <neuro> wow, well this was predictable, i guess: http://cooking.stackexchange.com/
[12:50] <popey> I see the steam sale doesn't extend to kerbal space program much
[12:50] <popey> only %10 off
[12:52] <ali1234> don't they shuffle the offers around?
[12:53] <Darael> I couldn't make the KSP demo work properly.  Launched from steam, it crashed, and launched directly from its folder in .local/share/Steam the design thingy wouldn't work properly.  I couldn't connect with the ends of components, only their sides.
[12:53] <popey> demo worked here
[12:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's our apprentice reunion this weekend - keep awau from the Swan tomorrow night popey ;-)
[12:53] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I'll drop by at closing time to see you injure yourself
[12:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks
[12:53] <popey> ☻
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> neuro: http://madebynathan.com/2013/07/10/raspberry-pi-powered-microwave/
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> neuro: Picrowave ;)
[12:58] <popey> 12:38:44 < popey> http://madebynathan.com/2013/07/10/raspberry-pi-powered-microwave/
[12:58] <popey> keep up
[12:58] <popey> ☻
[13:36] <ali1234> anyone got a quantal test system handy?
[13:37] <ali1234> if you do, please install arora, run it, and go to http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/mathjax.html and tell me what you see
[13:40] <popey> i can a bit later
[13:50] <BigRedS> I've got one somwhere down an rsync list
[13:54] <ali1234> !info libqtwebkit4 quantal
[14:12] <redtape|renegade> OT | Seem to be too many aphids around this year.. [Question: anyone seen many Waaaaaasps this year ?]  Sitting here with my netbook on the prom./garden  I note the difference in aphididae ..
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: only near you :P
[14:13] <popey> ali1234: installing
[14:13] <popey> ali1234: i see two lines { 0
[14:14] <ali1234> hmm ok thanks
[14:14] <popey> np
[14:14] <ali1234> kind of expected that, it has the old qt version
[14:14] <popey> anything else?
[14:15] <ali1234> no, not unless you're highly familiar with the patches ubuntu has done to qtwebkit 2.3.0
[14:15] <popey> nope, but I know who does
[14:15] <popey> but they're end of day
[14:16] <ali1234> i need to do more tests anyway
[14:16] <ali1234> building src.orig at the moment
[14:18] <ali1234> i actually did a LD_PRELOAD with the qtwebkit from debian testing and it fixed the bug
[14:19] <ali1234> unfortunately debian has 2.2.1 as well
[14:26] <mungbean> given an id_rsa file, how do i tell the key length and strength?
[14:29] <SuperMatt> I've found you can see it in gnome-keyring
[14:29] <SuperMatt> but from the command line, I don't know
[14:59] <mungbean> these phi processors are not very user friendly
[14:59] <mungbean> have to build your own kernel drivers and update flash before can use
[15:02] <mungbean> update *firmware
[15:02] <mungbean> and nothing works as expected
[15:35] <mungbean> less /proc/cpuinfo ...
[15:35] <mungbean> processor	: 239
[15:35] <mungbean> vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
[15:35] <redtape|renegade> How do I export a clip off audacity again ? .. seems to export the full track ..
[15:48] <redtape|renegade> no fun to be had ! redtape dloads starch ebook.
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> \o/ weekend
[15:48] <popey> \o/
[15:49]  * MartijnVdS tries to decide what kind of geek project to undertake this weekend
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> (last weekend was radius+wpa)
[15:49] <popey> write me a qml app ☻
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: but I have no idea what kind of app
[15:49] <popey> i do!
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> then write it :P
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: but.. what kind of app do you have in mind?
[15:50] <redtape|renegade> potholes ?
[15:51] <ali1234> popey: does QML support mathematical markup?
[15:51] <popey> I'd like a simple qml demo using box2d with a bunch of buttons on the screen which cause shapes to fall down and pile up at the bottom
[15:51] <popey> pass
[15:52] <ali1234> also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euSxmVhiG60
[15:52] <popey> oh thats delightful
[15:52] <ali1234> you can't make a "simple" box2d demo with QML because you can't use box2d without writing a C++ -> QML wrapper
[15:52] <ali1234> that demo uses bullet of course
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: so.. tetris?
[15:52] <ali1234> but the theory is the same
[15:53] <popey> MartijnVdS: no, randomly, so they pile up like ali1234's video
[15:53] <popey> ali1234: ken made the box2d wrapper
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> isn't that a lot of physics code?
[15:53] <ali1234> then the QML is like 3 lines of code
[15:53] <popey> well packaged it
[15:54] <ali1234> actually that is true of pretty much any QML app
[15:54] <popey> pretty sure it's packaged in our ppa
[15:54] <ali1234> in reality nobody writes entire apps in QML
[15:54] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/qml-box2d/qt5
[15:54] <ali1234> they write a widget in C++ that does "whatever" and then dump it in the middle of a QML area. two lines of code
[15:55] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/collection its in there
[15:55] <popey> yeah, i wanted a pure qml example
[15:56] <ali1234> yeah the thing about that is nobody in there right mind would build a game against that box2d plugin
[15:57] <ali1234> because it's not going to be available on sailfish for example
[15:57] <ali1234> or it might be available but subtley incompatible
[15:57] <ali1234> so what they'll actually do is roll their own wrapper and then ship with their own copy of box2d
[16:00] <ali1234> when i made this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw i used libode. had to port it myself of course
[16:00] <ali1234> but it was not worth it to me to maintain it
[16:00] <ali1234> by port i mean i packaged it
[16:00] <ali1234> but this was a bad idea in hindsight because nobody has time to write software *and* maintain packages
[16:01] <ali1234> so in future i used bullet which is BSD and i can just static compile it
[16:02] <ali1234> also lol @ comments
[16:21] <ali1234> popey: how about if instead of shapes it's jono heads?
[16:21] <ali1234> and when they bump they say "community!"
[16:21] <popey> a selection of heads would be nice
[16:21] <popey> hah, yes
[16:22] <ali1234> well i already have steve balmer and linus
[16:22] <ali1234> making more heads is also quite easy, you just need two images and some audio clips
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: one of each of the podcast hosts saying "hiya"?
[16:28] <ali1234> that means someone would have to listen to the podcast tho :P
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I've heard rumours of people who listen to it
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you could just ask popey ;)
[16:32] <ali1234> so how do i install qml-box2d?
[16:32] <ali1234> do i have to add the non core ppa?
[16:34] <ali1234> ok got it
[16:35] <ali1234> right i'll look at this later. going for dinner now
[17:36]  * MartijnVdS submits a photo to the Saucy Wallpapers group
[18:07] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: that's a misleading name, those wallpapers aren't saucy at all
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: o_O
[18:09] <popey> heh, first thought I had too BigRedS
[18:09]  * DJones wonders how many "saucy wallpapers" submitted will turn out the NSFW
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> DJones: we already had those in warty
[18:10] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Too much info there, I don't want to know what you had in warty :)
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> DJones: stuff like this: https://sites.google.com/site/jozmak/ubuntu-calendar-march1.jpg
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> http://linuxers.org/~iart/ubuntu-calendar
[18:12] <BigRedS> none of those are warty
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> are they hoary then?>
[18:12] <BigRedS> hahaha
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> breezy?
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: How'd it taste? :)
[18:43]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2 
[18:44]  * davmor2 points out that he has be sat sweating in the heat all day, and now wonders how quickly czajkowski stops
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: maybe she'll just keep going longer now she knows that
[18:45] <czajkowski> lol
[18:45] <czajkowski> I'm evil not that evil :)
[18:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: you mean you're evil not twisted
[18:47] <czajkowski> no that's you and neuro :)
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> nah they're just twisted, not evil
[18:48] <neuro> huh?
[18:50] <davmor2> czajkowski: Are you trying to say I'm evil
[18:51] <czajkowski> trying/saying
[18:51] <czajkowski> neuro: ello :)
[18:51] <neuro> huh?
[18:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: Arrrrrrrrrr thanks I didn't know you cared
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> has anyone tried "Stealth Bastard"?
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: ? :)
[18:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yes it's addictive
[18:57] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: it has Braid-esque annoyance and simplicity but be prepared to die at least once
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> I haven't tried braid 8-)
[18:57] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: well if you like Stealth you'll love braid :)
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ok :)
[18:59] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: ask bigcalm he'll tell you what stealth is like we were on about it at the lug meeting on wednesday
[19:01] <popey> MartijnVdS: i have, briefly
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's on sale
[19:09] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: om nom nom :)
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> :)
[19:10] <Azelphur> Anyone got software center working on 13.10? it seems broken for me
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: lemme try
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> wfm
[19:10] <Azelphur> oO, ofund a guy with the same issue as me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1200674
[19:23] <GentileBen> AlanBell, my Welsh friend.
[19:24] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS, my Dutch friend.
[19:28] <StevenR> hrrm. Can I safely expand /boot? It's an LVM LV on top of an MDraid RAID1 array
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: does that even work?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS>  /boot on LVM
[19:28] <StevenR> yes
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> in that case.. what happened when you tried? ;)
[19:29] <StevenR> I haven't :P
[19:29] <StevenR> I'd like to know it's safe first :P
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: psh, details! ;)
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: apparently, grub can read LVM and MDraid drives by itself
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> grub2
[19:31] <StevenR> yup :)
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> so it depends: can it read *all* of LVM, or just the "easy" bits
[19:32] <StevenR> yeah, exactly
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> #grub2? :)
[19:32] <StevenR> it's a 2TB md0
[19:35]  * MartijnVdS has no idea, other than "try it" and "rescue CD if it breaks"
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> and "never use separate /boot again"
[19:36] <xnox> MartijnVdS: only easy bits- linear volumes with no stripping as far as I can tell.
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> xnox: so no "holes" in volumes?
[19:37] <xnox> or something =)
[19:40] <Azelphur> popey: you're handy with rsnapshot, do you happen to know what's wrong with this? backup  azelphur@darth-vader:/home/azelphur/    darth-vader/    exclude=Steam,exclude=ISOs,exclude=Music,exclude=.local,exclude=Downloads
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: probably the tab
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's always the tab character :)
[19:40] <Azelphur> pretty sure I have tabs in there
[19:41] <Azelphur> haha, there was a space between backup and the address
[19:41] <Azelphur> and that was a copy paste line, so something must have messed with my paste buffer, rude.
[19:41] <popey> haha
[19:41] <popey> it's always with the tabs
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> "How wude!"
[19:41] <popey> stupid rsnapshot
[19:42] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:42] <Azelphur> there we go, moved my backups onto my NAS, and got decent backups for my desktop now
[19:43] <ali1234> if you have a text file with tabs and open it in nano in a terminal and copy paste it, your tabs are gone
[19:43] <ali1234> this is really annoying
[19:43] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's what I did, fun
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> vim ftw
[19:43] <ali1234> or at least it was until i switched to using spaces for indentation everywhere
[19:43] <ali1234> now it only happens with makefiles
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Gah makefiles!
[19:44] <ali1234> vim won't help you
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> (debian/rules mostly)
[19:44] <ali1234> afaik
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: gvim pastes tabs
[19:44] <ali1234> well so does gedit
[19:45] <ali1234> it's the terminal emulator that screws it, when you copy
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> but gedit doesn't do :wq properly
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> My files end up full of :w when I use it
[19:46] <ali1234> it's funny because my files end up full of ^D^D^C^DS^C^DC^^EB^FDEDNEARGHHOWDOIQUIT whenever i use vim
[19:46] <ali1234> you can paste tabs into nano just fine, you just can't copy them out
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: probably if you shift-paste it works in nano as well
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: oh wait *out*
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:12]  * MartijnVdS learns to read
[20:20] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/gallery/XcTuSHm
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: is that you? :)
[20:32] <SuperMatt> no :(
[22:35] <xnox> So baby come with me and be my Ooh La La =) http://youtu.be/NVcSNnqRD0c