[06:09] <MartijnVdS> Anyone on Saucy that can confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1200846
[06:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^?
[06:47] <DVRR> hiii
[06:51] <DVRR> i have  problem in  samba server  could you  help  me
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: can you explain the problem?
[06:57] <DVRR> automatically  remove  files & folders  in my samba  share folder    i given  permissions  ()
[06:57] <DVRR> read & write
[06:58] <DVRR> some one deleted or   it's remove  automatically
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: I don't understand what you're saying
[06:58] <DVRR> i can't  understand
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> do you want to automatically remove folders
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> or does samba already automatically remove folders, and you want to disable it?
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> or are the permissions on newly created empty folders wrong?
[07:00] <DVRR> fast  four  days  file  remove  automatically
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: what's your native language?
[07:00] <DVRR> today  copy  some files  tommory  not  showing
[07:01] <DVRR> i am an indian
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: have you tried asking in #ubuntu-in?
[07:01] <DVRR> sorry  could you  help me
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> I'm trying to, but I don't understand what you're trying to ask
[07:04] <DVRR> i have  samba server  and i have  given sharing   one  folder
[07:04] <DVRR> ok
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> DVRR: ok..
[07:10] <DVRR> that  share folder  access  20 members users   ( read and write)   Example-: yesterday  i  copied  some  files   in  share folder  but  today  not  avaliable
[08:10] <popey> MartijnVdS: will try to reproduce
[08:44] <redtape|renegade> OT | Time to sell up to 100 of those tech components that I've tried to Frankenstein into a desktop this weekend as a project :::  http://mail.ebay.co.uk/r/mail/19e3f6II3c85c5II14fa5478a06II4 :::
[09:04] <ali1234> i think that's a link to your private ebay inbox
[09:05] <redtape|renegade> ali1234: Realy .. it doesn't say a message ?
[09:05] <ali1234> no it just redirects to the main home page
[09:05] <ali1234> oh wait no
[09:05] <redtape|renegade> oh .. with grumbles .. I'll retry ..
[09:05] <ali1234> it's just no listing fee time?
[09:09] <redtape|renegade> Yeps .. Up to one hundred items :: http://bit.ly/13WN0PH :
[09:11] <redtape|renegade> theres usually a fall out with a lot of listing under the bracket 'no reserve' at intervals of 1 day, 3 days , 5 days , 7 days .. from this weekend .. I bookmark the search 'no reserve' in my browser toolbar to catch them.
[09:16] <ali1234> that's a really good tip
[09:23] <redtape|renegade> ali1234: then .. there is a list of 'saved sellers' like this guy .. that I get weekly updates from  .. \o/ support the little guy ! ::   http://bit.ly/15pSIGG ::  This gives the *actual price of 2nd hand goods* from the likes of cash-converters or their counterparts. But seriusly; hoarding is a sign of poor men.health .. so set your limits.
[09:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:43] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:47] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: We (The IoMan) should be on Dutch TV sometime soon .. :: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/dutch-tv-crew-films-horse-trams-1-5838262 ::
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: that program is usually recorded way in advance :)
[10:02]  * redtape|renegade is amazed that people are cashing-in on the poor sprogg before it's even born .. redtape feels for Katië .. :: http://etsy.me/12L30iy  ::
[10:07] <escaper_> Hi, anybode here ?
[10:07] <redtape|renegade> y6epsie ..
[10:08] <escaper_> how to delete something from /opt directory ?
[10:08] <escaper_> I want to remove non-empty direcotry
[10:09] <redtape|renegade> 1/5get inn the directorty but right click > paste into terminal using 'cd' in front ..
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: how did it get there?
[10:09] <redtape|renegade> 2/5 type pwd
[10:10] <redtape|renegade> 3/5 type ls
[10:10] <escaper_> I put it in there with cp commad
[10:10] <escaper_> command*
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: exact command please :)
[10:10] <redtape|renegade> 4/4 rm ,<name +tab 4 short>
[10:10] <escaper_> just cp folder /opt
[10:11] <redtape|renegade> 5/5 type ls to check.
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: then cd /opt; ls; rm -r foldername (from ls output); ls
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> as redtape|renegade said :)
[10:11] <escaper_> I'll try
[10:12] <escaper_> great, works!
[10:12] <escaper_> Thank you very much! :D
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: "rm" = "remove", "-r" = "recursively"
[10:12]  * redtape|renegade takes bitcoin high-fives.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: (so, everything in the directory first, then the directory itself)
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> escaper_: if the directory was empty, "rmdir" would also have worked (remove directory)
[10:12] <ali1234> cp won't copy a directory without an extra argument
[10:12] <ali1234> rm won't delete a directory without an extra argument
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: true
[10:13] <ali1234> the extra argument is in fact the same in both cases :)
[10:13] <escaper_> I followed one instruction on the web taht was obviouslly wrong
[10:13] <escaper_> :D
[10:13] <escaper_> thank you guys,
[10:13] <redtape|renegade>   Aaaaand he's over with it.
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: almost as if someone designed it that way
[10:15] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: well actually i think in the original design cp used -R and rm used -r and then -r was added as a synonym to cp by someone who wasn't completely crazy
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that almost explains how git works as well
[10:16] <ali1234> it does?
[10:16] <ali1234> git does a lot of things... which particular thing do you mean?
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: all kinds of conflicting but similar options for similar operations
[10:20] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Conflict (?) Martijn  I added some tracks to my Chillout pl/list if you want to add them to your "Chillax" channel :) :: http://open.spotify.com/user/user1nadine/playlist/4PJsL5GGokQ3BBRuH1Pko7 ::
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: let me check
[10:23]  * redtape|renegade supposes it's Turtle Soup today .. #90-ish down the list
[10:25]  * MartijnVdS listens to the new Demoscene Time Machine EP
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: http://music.demoscenetimemachine.com/
[10:26]  * penguin42 roasts
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: *dark* roasts?
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/our-beer/ ;)
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> uh
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ^
[10:28] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: The music WebLink beats : http://relay3.slayradio.org:8100/ : On VLC **anyday**  .. highFive. o/
[10:30] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I think breakfast should be first :-)
[10:30] <brobostigon> interesting app for android, swapps, a definatly interesting launcher.
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it's quite a heavy beer ;)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: also, contains coffee, so it'll wake you up
[10:33] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Both WebLinks you gave aren't able to be bought (for the IoMan) either cos it's not setup or *dropdown list* disorder (-Miss-IsleofMan syndrome)  .. but I'll bookmark them so a Dutch friend can [post when I hassle him :S
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: please send them an email (on the contact page) describing the problem :)
[10:41] <redtape|renegade> Will do .. I'll send a pack to the Seattle  too .. C.Pirillo required a lot of caffeinated beer in fall-season last year.
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: cool :) if you tell them that, they might throw in extra promotional materials
[10:49] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: redtape still pines for  Maaza softdrinks from Holland   ::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maaza ::: .. but doesn't know of an online-store or someone near Bodegraven :: http://bit.ly/18cJ0dr ::
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I just passed their warehouse in Bodegraven on my way home
[10:51] <redtape|renegade> Is it worth shopping with you, then :D
[10:51] <redtape|renegade>                      ^ ??
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> I don't know the stuff
[10:53] <redtape|renegade> There was a guy on ebay .. who sold me a rabbit bios tinkpad from Hollande .. but he's dropped off the net , of late.
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maaza-Mango-Juice-250ml/dp/B009OAOWI8
[10:55] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Good try .. but it's the fizzy pop pineapple/mango I'm after .. I need the effervescence.
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I don't think Maaza has fizzy bits
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: do you mean http://www.enjoymaaza.com//products/?taste=6 ?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: or http://www.enjoymaaza.com//products/?taste=5
[11:01] <redtape|renegade> redtape|renegade: slaps MartijnVdS for showing him his continental -elixia & not giving a stall to buy from .. and zooms in on S.France while he reaches for his Ccard :: http://www.elixia.fr/en/limonade.php?limonade=classique ::
[11:23]  * redtape|renegade goes all spanglish with Champiñones Al Ajillo from Tesco Tapas [seventy-four% off, of-course] :: ¡ and wonders where "Concha García "  is from ?¡ :: http://bit.ly/11L0u0M ::
[12:20] <PaulW2U> a434vfw
[12:22] <PaulW2U> oops, sorry for the random text  ;o)
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> PaulW2U: sure that's not your password? :)
[12:23] <penguin42> it probably is, but the question is what for
[12:24] <PaulW2U> :) you'll never know
[12:27] <Myrtti> obviously it was a cat
[12:28]  * AlanBell ponders password protected cats
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: but.. but..
[12:29] <funkyHat> ⢁)
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: the internet demands publicly visible cats
[12:29] <funkyHat> Anonymous access cats
[12:34] <redtape|renegade> AlanBell: Cats can be well prepared :D  ::https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/cnCx6.jpg ::
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: but.. but..
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> cats don't NEED that.. they always land on their feet anyway
[12:35] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: He asked for a password .. I gave him one in the file name of the picture/j-peg .. that is all.
[12:42] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Bang Bang Bang .. I shot yur butt  's. ::  http://ow.ly/mVDxb  ::
[13:13] <popey> Gosh. Warm afternoon.
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> In July, in the UK?
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: Are you sure? :)
[13:15] <popey> I KNOW!
[13:15] <popey> kids in the pool
[13:15] <popey> I was in there for half an hour earlier
[13:17] <brobostigon> wet popes.
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "soggy popey"
[13:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep.
[13:25]  * redtape|renegade throws a beach-ball in the paddling pool :: http://bit.ly/1ajpZqt ::
[14:38] <mungbean> my normally reserved 3yr old has taken to running around the house butt naked in this weather
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> around it, or around it?
[14:43] <redtape|renegade> mungbean: ignorance is bliss.... ::: http://bit.ly/1ajAIRN :::
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> !family | redtape|renegade
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> (the link says "NSFW")
[14:44] <redtape|renegade> yeah .. are you working today ?
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> no, but this channel is supposed to be family-oriented/family-friendly
[14:47] <redtape|renegade> there's hardly anyone on the net today .. I'm sorry for the link .. but it is well prepared.. as far as the alert-notification.  I also used the first word as to ignore the other page.. if you don't feel such a pre-warning is to your taste.
[14:48] <redtape|renegade> I'm completely amazed as to why ppl here talk about the semantics instead of the subjection .. like they are under a objectivity-veil, or something .. quite prevalent in europe too.
[14:50] <dwatkins> redtape|renegade: what are the multiple colons for?
[14:50] <ali1234> i didn't like the video. is that subjective enough for ya?
[14:51] <redtape|renegade> redtape refuses to answer syntax question when the subject is more important .. wjhich you could have got from the description anyhow .. I'll check the logs tonight at 8pm ..
[14:51] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[14:52] <dwatkins> Now I'm thoroughly confused.
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> don't be
[14:54] <mgdm> as he said, 'ignorance is bliss' :-)
[14:55] <dwatkins> I won't point out that some terminals interpret the colons as being part of the URL, then ;)
[14:55] <brobostigon> i would concur, the opposite can be true, being intelligant and clever can be hell.
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> though I wonder how scary the world must be if you don't know how to learn new things quickly
[14:56] <dwatkins> things change fast in some areas, but not all
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: exactly
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: but I saw someone who was used to Windows XP try to use Windows 7 and be *completely lost*
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> it's mostly still the same!
[14:57] <dwatkins> they'd be even more lost on win8, I imagine
[14:57] <brobostigon> ok, now to read some more of MartijnVdS's blog.
[14:57] <dwatkins> part of the problem is that people learn how to use a computer by learning where to click, though - they don't understand the fundamentals
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Agreed, but even that has some logic to it
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: twisted, weird logic (2 operating systems at once, or something)
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yes, and not knowing the fundamentals makes change scary. I think.
[15:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thats interesting, well written, good job, :)
[15:35] <ali1234> no
[15:35] <ali1234> it's not scary
[15:36] <ali1234> when people get a new computer and don't know how to use it they don't get scared
[15:36] <ali1234> they just go "meh" and don't use it
[15:36] <ali1234> or they get angry
[15:36] <ali1234> this whole "change is scary" meme is just a strawman invented by people trying to push through unpopular changes
[15:37] <ali1234> and please don't give me any yoda quotes. george lucas is no philosopher
[15:38] <ali1234> "i don't know how i'm going to pay the bills next week" is scary. "i can't find bbc iplayer any more" is not.
[17:38] <ali1234> popey: the qt setup in raring is really really messed up
[17:38] <ali1234> this is kind of hampering my efforts with qml-box2d
[17:39] <penguin42> http://blog.kotowicz.net/2013/07/jealous-of-prism-use-amazon-1-button.html sounds messy
[17:53] <ali1234> specifically the problem is ubuntu-sdk has a dependency on qt5-default and build-dep qt4-x11 has a dependency on qt4-default, so these are mutually exclusive
[17:53] <ali1234> and i currently have the latter installed
[18:05] <popey> ali1234: can you file a bug and I'll point the guys at it?
[18:06] <ali1234> they probably already know about it
[18:06] <popey> i wouldnt be sure
[18:06] <ali1234> i bet qt4 source package has some hardcoded stuff that requires qt4-default to be installed
[18:06] <popey> most if not all are running saucy
[18:06] <popey> well the desktop needs qt4 for ubuntuone client
[18:06] <ali1234> so that doesn't have qt4 at all?
[18:06] <ali1234> this bug affects build-dep only
[18:07] <popey> no, i mean they're not likely to see raring specific issues
[18:07] <ali1234> ie if you want to build qt4 from source
[18:07] <ali1234> i doubt it is raring specific
[18:07] <popey> ah
[18:07] <ali1234> since literally no ubuntu developers build packages locally they probably won't care either :P
[18:07] <popey> yes, they do
[18:07] <ali1234> yeah, in a chroot
[18:07] <popey> in fact the sdk guys are most likely to
[18:07] <popey> maybe yeah
[18:08] <ali1234> i'm not building qt4 from the package, i'm building upstream
[18:08] <ali1234> looking for the webkit bug
[18:09] <ali1234> so i could use a chroot
[18:09] <ali1234> but i'd have to enter it and build manually
[18:09] <ali1234> and that's 100% undocumented "nobody ever does that" territory
[18:10] <ali1234> when i finish bisecting qtwebkit i can uninstall this
[18:10] <ali1234> !info libqtwebkit4 saucy
[18:10] <ali1234> actually i could just install that on raring and forget about it
[18:10] <ali1234> but i;m curious now
[18:11] <popey> heh
[18:12] <ali1234> it's one of those "it's fixed but we have no idea why" bugs
[18:12] <ali1234> and turns out it's not caused by ubuntu patches
[18:13] <popey> we had a lot of that during early phone development
[18:13] <popey> people were very cautious about upgrading qt
[18:13] <popey> given the whole world depends on it on the phone
[18:13] <ali1234> qtwebkit4 2.3 isn't even an official release you know
[18:13] <popey> and we had product demos to do at trade shows
[18:13] <popey> couldn't break those
[18:14] <ali1234> it's the backport of qtwebkit5
[18:14] <ali1234> but you probably know this
[19:54] <HoT|2fC^> lo all :-)
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> I have gone and 2 Netgear Powerlines today for the Basement as the Router/ADSL Modem is in my Room (second floor) so it's Router connect to Powerline then another Ethernet cable joining to my PC from the Router.
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> But when I try and connect via the PC I don't get any connection
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> Would I need a switch?
[19:58] <AlanBell> HoT|2fC^: I have some of them, they work great for me
[19:58] <popey> nope, shouldn't need to
[19:58] <HoT|2fC^> AlanBell, yeah works for me but I cant use the other 3 ports on my router.
[19:58] <HoT|2fC^> It's like the Powerline has taken over it lol!
[19:59] <AlanBell> erm, that shouldn't happen
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> AlanBell, yeah must be faulty :/
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> all I have done with the Router is Port Forward no Static IP or anything I auto DHCP an still didnt work :\
[19:59] <AlanBell> I have two powerline bricks and a powerline hub
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> As I set a sttic on my PC.
[20:00] <HoT|2fC^> I like the bricks is that the WD's ?
[20:00] <HoT|2fC^> Black ones :)
[20:00] <AlanBell> tp link I think, grey ones
[20:00] <HoT|2fC^> aah nice :)
[20:00] <AlanBell> http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/ is coming to you over wifi and powerline networking
[20:02] <AlanBell> you have to follow the instructions quite carefully to pair them up, then they just work like a long network cable
[20:02] <AlanBell> or possibly like a hub if you have more than just a pair
[20:02] <popey> i had to do zero to pair devolo ones
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> I want in my basement to have the powerline pluged in, then connected to a switch then wired from the switch to my PC and maybe a access point but one going outside outdoor :) then I want IP CCTV connected to that switch
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok nice :)
[20:03] <AlanBell> I used power over ethernet to get 5V out to the chickens for the camera, but the cable isn't used for data, that goes over wifi
[20:04] <ali1234> won;t the hens get worried when the camera is moving?
[20:04] <ali1234> also why didn't you use the cable for data?
[20:04] <AlanBell> they don't seem to be bothered by it
[20:05] <ali1234> you should make a chicken suit for the camera
[20:05] <AlanBell> heh
[20:05] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:05] <HoT|2fC^> thats awesome AlanBell :)
[20:05] <AlanBell> I didn't use the cable for data because I was planning to get the power out there a different way, and I wanted wifi that covers the garden anyway
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> Here is my network I have put together, I know the laptop isnt wireless :) but I still connected it :D
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> http://oi39.tinypic.com/4sfeoo.jpg
[20:06] <ali1234> even so no point wasting precious wifi bandwidth... i mean it's slow enough already
[20:06] <AlanBell> I was just going to shove 5v down the cable but it is crappy cheap aluminium out of spec chinese cable so I had to use a PoE injector to push 48v down it and regulate to 5v at the far end
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> ali1234 cant be worse then my speed ;)
[20:07] <ali1234> i'm guessing it probably can if you;re able to maintain a connection to irc
[20:07] <mungbean> anuone used pocketmags? opinions?
[20:08] <HoT|2fC^> Can I run any switch off a powerline adaptor ?
[20:08] <AlanBell> speed is fast enough, it doesn't slow me down as I normally use the wifi hotspot at the front of the house
[20:08] <ali1234> HoT|2fC^: yes
[20:08] <HoT|2fC^> ali1234: Thanks :>
[20:08] <ali1234> HoT|2fC^: just think of them as like a magical network cable
[20:09] <HoT|2fC^> Can I connect the Router into the Switch ? once connected to the Powerline ?
[20:09] <ali1234> or rather, think of the whole system as a hub
[20:09] <AlanBell> you can in theory network stuff with the house 2 doors up the road with them
[20:09] <ali1234> eh, not really
[20:09] <AlanBell> houses are apparently on three different phases
[20:09] <ali1234> you're lucky if they work between rooms in your house
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> depends on your house wiring :)
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> mines all new and it pushes max speed from my basement to my room.
[20:10] <ali1234> new wiring is worse
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> really?
[20:10] <ali1234> those things work better on spurs
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:10] <AlanBell> yeah, probably stuck on range, but my point is that next door is on a different phase so won't work in theory
[20:10] <ali1234> but standard since about 1952 is rings
[20:11] <ali1234> well i didn't know that
[20:11] <ali1234> so if i wire my electric to my neighbours, it will explode?
[20:11] <AlanBell> yeah, not a good plan
[20:11] <popey> indeed
[20:11] <popey> double plus not good
[20:11] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:11] <AlanBell> but two doors up should be fine :)
[20:11] <popey> but wire to the neighbours 3 doors down and you're fine
[20:11] <popey> FSVO "fine"
[20:12] <ali1234> alternatively if i want 3 phase in my house all i have to do is buy three houses in a row
[20:13] <AlanBell> simples!
[20:19] <AlanBell> Bug #1172229 is nicely fixed now, that is good
[20:19] <AlanBell> and up and down work as I would expect them to do
[20:20]  * popey is going to his first OSCON
[20:22] <AlanBell> nice
[20:23] <mungbean> turning on my android tablet after 2 weeks is like turning on a windows pc
[20:23] <mungbean> have to wait 10 mins for updates, as it kills the tab;et until then
[20:23] <mungbean> notification overload
[20:23] <mungbean> of stuff you read 3 weeks ago on your phone
[20:25] <popey> i dont have my android devices set to auto update
[20:25] <mungbean> gonna disable it
[20:25] <mungbean> used to be useful
[20:26] <mungbean> this pocket mags is utter fail
[20:27] <mungbean> not loading at all
[20:27] <mungbean> site must be really slow
[20:40] <Azelphur> popey: do you have a typical "backup entire drive" rsnapshot line with a sane set of excludes I could nick?
[20:50] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:20] <Azelphur> Is there anything I can do to check folder sizes in a less io intensive way?
[21:22] <Azelphur> or at least, some way I can check a folder size without making my entire server grind to a halt ;)
[21:22] <Azelphur> uptime 7 just for checking how big a folder is = bad.
[21:31] <ali1234> uptime 7?
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I think he means system load
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you can ionice it
[21:33] <Azelphur> yea
[21:34] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea I did that but I still had very high uptime
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: uptime goes up as long as you don't reboot :)
[21:34] <Azelphur> haha
[22:03] <ali1234> one more build in this bisect :)
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[22:22] <Azelphur> are there any distros roaming about that have rebootless kernel upgrades yet?
[22:22] <Azelphur> besides oraclecrap
[22:22] <MartijnVdS> maybe one or two niche ones
[22:22] <Azelphur> lame :(
[22:22] <Azelphur> I dunno why people are slacking so much on this, Linux being so prominent in the server market and all :P
[22:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: rebootless kernels are *scary*
[22:23] <Azelphur> pfft
[22:23] <MartijnVdS> I mean.. the kernel data structures for sockets, file handles, etc. -- how does a rebootless kernel keep those sane?
[22:23]  * Azelphur shrugs
[22:23] <Azelphur> I don't handle stuff on that low of a level
[22:31] <ali1234> the kernel does
[22:31] <ali1234> which is why you should worry about patching it in real time
[22:34] <penguin42> yeh there is the one that does the live patching which is kind of scary, the other way is to kexec into a new kernel
[22:34] <penguin42> but kexec kills all the processes off
[22:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:59] <penguin42> hmm the panorama creator in the new digiKam is interesting - a bit touchy but interesting