[10:07] <gotwig> howdy
[10:52] <gotwig> hey
[10:52] <gotwig> I would be interessted in improving the recipe smart scope, what can I do?
[10:58] <gotwig> is there a PPA for Ubuntu Unity 8 ?
[11:14] <gotwig> can you please update this page
[11:14] <gotwig> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/#build-unity
[11:14] <gotwig> a few steps are obsolete
[11:14] <gotwig> probably also update the build file for unity 8
[11:16] <gotwig> davidcalle: hey there
[11:17] <davidcalle> gotwig, hey
[11:17] <gotwig> IMHO this page contains outdated words, would be pleased for an update: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/
[11:17] <gotwig> davidcalle: are there anymore "lenses"? Or just scopes and master scopes?
[11:17] <gotwig> master scopes is the new word for lenses?
[11:18] <gotwig> do scopes still use DBUS?
[11:19] <davidcalle> gotwig, kind of. But it's hard to go away from the word "lens", since it's widely used in existing doc, code, projects... And yes, scopes still use DBus.
[11:19] <gotwig> smart scopes do use python, is there any idea of moving them all to C?
[11:20] <gotwig> but the new unity does not recive its data via DBUS, does it?
[11:20] <davidcalle> gotwig, scopes shipped by default on the device are probably going to be all C at some point. Those on the server, can be Python.
[11:20] <davidcalle> gotwig, it does
[11:20] <gotwig> davidcalle: ehm... so I dont have to use C?
[11:21] <gotwig> what do you mean with "those on the server"
[11:22] <gotwig> oh, smart scopes server
[11:23] <davidcalle> gotwig, if you need to be on the computer/phone/whatever, eg : if you need user data to do a search, you have to be in C to be shipped by default. If all you need for a search is the user search terms, then Python is ok, and you will be shipped on the smart scopes server.
[11:23] <gotwig> where does the smart scopes server run
[11:24] <gotwig> I see this is made with unity 7 in mind: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/ does it run on unity 8 ?
[11:25] <davidcalle> gotwig, here is smartscopes : https://productsearch.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v1/search?q=foo
[11:25] <davidcalle> gotwig, and yes, 7 and 8
[11:34] <gotwig> davwhy is there no unity 8 ppa
[11:34] <gotwig> davidcalle: ^ sry
[11:37] <davidcalle> gotwig, I'm not sure, but on Saucy, it's really easy to build it from source http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/
[11:37] <gotwig> yeah I do it right now
[11:48] <gotwig> davidcalle: can you update the branch
[11:49] <gotwig> davidcalle: one PPA is obsolete, so it says
[11:50] <davidcalle> gotwig, are you using saucy?
[11:50] <gotwig> yes
[11:50] <gotwig> I just say that some of the build scripts are outdated
[11:50] <gotwig> even the PPA says its obsolete
[11:51] <davidcalle> in the branch, just run ./build --setup, then ./build and ./run, works fine here
[11:51] <davidcalle> Oh I see what you mean, gotwig.
[11:51] <davidcalle> (just tried)
[11:52] <davidcalle> Well, this will be updated I guess
[11:52] <gotwig> it works for me as well
[11:52] <gotwig> just saying some obsolete stuff gets added
[11:52] <davidcalle> Yeah
[11:53] <gotwig> would be cool to see a global search in unity 8 :3
[11:54] <gotwig> unity 8 is useless for me >_>
[14:23] <g0twig> :3
[14:23] <g0twig> any idea how I can use the ubuntu touch thing on my pc ? with the core apps and all that..
[14:23] <g0twig> I installed Unity 8, but the touch version for mobile phones looks better than my one :X
[15:13] <g0twig> mhall119: any idea what I have to do, when I want to develop further on the recipe smart scope for unity?
[15:13] <g0twig> I cant find the source hm
[15:14] <mhall119> g0twig: depends on whwat ruther development you mean
[15:18] <g0twig> mhall119: ehm.. adding other scopes
[15:19] <g0twig> mhall119: probably even in c... if this scope is written in c. I want to see how I can port my older python scopes to the new C api
[15:19] <mhall119> g0twig: have you read the new C tutorial?
[15:20] <mhall119> g0twig: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/
[15:21] <g0twig> mhall119: I learn it.. yeah, and I want to apply it
[15:22] <g0twig> mhall119: when I would want to advance the recipe smart scope, what do I have to do
[15:22] <g0twig> where are the sources, how can I start?
[15:23] <mhall119> g0twig: the tutorial should have instructions for getting all the dependency packages
[15:23] <mhall119> then just use the Ubuntu SDK/QtCreator to start a new scope project
[15:23] <g0twig> mhall119: but what is the process of getting it actually into Ubuntu =)?
[15:23] <mhall119> oh, that....we're still working on
[15:24] <mhall119> g0twig: for now you'll just email somebody (I'll have to go through my notes to remember who) about it
[15:24] <g0twig> mhall119: do the scopes actually have to use a search api?
[15:24] <g0twig> because all my scopes use custom XML parsers
[15:24] <mhall119> since the recipe scope can run on the server-side, they would review your code and add it to the smart scope service
[15:24] <mhall119> g0twig: I don't think it matters much what they use as long as they work reliably
[15:25] <g0twig> mhall119: most of the smart scopes use python
[15:25] <g0twig> mhall119: why
[15:26] <mhall119> legacy, they were written before the C api was available
[15:26] <g0twig> so, these smart scopes probably are going to be rewritten?
[15:28] <g0twig> mhall119: it would be awesome to get Cooks United Ltd. into the boat..
[15:28] <g0twig> but we cant...
[15:28] <g0twig> or at least I, cant
[15:28] <mhall119> g0twig: yeah, the goal is to re-write all the python scopes in C, eventually
[15:28] <g0twig> mhall119: do you know a good XML parser in C?
[15:29] <g0twig> I found http://www.xmlsoft.org/
[15:29] <mhall119> I'm sure there's a bunch of good XML parsers for C
[15:29] <mhall119> but I'm not a C guy, so I don't know of any off hte top of my head
[15:30] <g0twig> mhall119: I ask myself, which is the best recipe provider
[15:30] <g0twig> all in all, its probably Cooks United, at least for Europe.
[15:30] <g0twig> but they dont have an open API, and like I said are not interessted
[15:31] <g0twig> I g2g, maybe Canonical can do something here..?
[15:31] <g0twig> API access if often a problem
[15:32] <g0twig> http://www.pixelhouse.de/ they hold the Cooksunited LTD.
[16:50] <g0twig> jo
[16:50] <g0twig> mhall119: have you read my other chat messages regarding API accessebility? This is IMHO a big issue with scopes ...
[17:54] <mhall119> g0twig: no, where did you send that?
[17:55] <g0twig> mhall119: ough, do you know Cooks United?
[17:55] <g0twig> mhall119: I just ask myself, which is the biggest resource for recipes
[17:56] <g0twig> mhall119: with that I want to say, the current recipe search engine is just unefficent and very very bad. Users can only see the name of the recipe, and the associated tags. Sometimes an icon, and no image for preview mode. Seriously?
[17:56] <g0twig> Do you remember my old scope? It actually was very useful
[18:03] <kurugah> hey
[18:04] <g0twig> kurugah: WHATS UP :D
[18:04] <g0twig> this channel is just so... lame right now
[18:04] <g0twig> no one is talking the whole damn day.. makes me super sad
[18:04] <kurugah> yes
[18:05] <kurugah> so sag
[18:05] <kurugah> sad
[18:05] <g0twig> kurugah: are you a developer?
[18:06] <kurugah> yes
[18:06] <kurugah> but no unity dev
[18:06] <kurugah> you?
[18:06] <g0twig> kurugah: I am Ubuntu Member and once developed scopes for unity
[18:07] <kurugah> thats nice
[18:07] <g0twig> now I wanna relearn all the new stuff...
[18:07] <g0twig> smart scopes >_>
[18:07] <g0twig> kurugah: I am super interessted in shipping a very smart Recipe scope, you know?
[18:07] <g0twig> kurugah: its great to have all these scopes, but I am unhappy with the quality of many of these
[18:08] <kurugah> g0twig: i c
[18:08] <kurugah> what is bothering you about the quality
[18:08] <kurugah> ?
[18:08] <g0twig> the recipes scope
[18:08] <g0twig> its sort of useless
[18:08] <g0twig> kurugah: have you used it yet?
[18:09] <g0twig> kurugah: this is my original work: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/hungry-new-cooking-lens-brings-recipefy-to-ubuntu
[18:09] <g0twig> it actually was easy to find the right recipes, IMHO
[18:09] <g0twig> I want to bring it back, for Unity Next
[18:09] <kurugah> nope i am trying to get my first lens going
[18:10] <g0twig> kurugah: the recipes scope.. just shows the name of the recipe, and tags.. no other info
[18:10] <g0twig> kurugah: do you find this info... interessting?
[18:10] <g0twig> how can you compare recipes in this way.. its not good
[18:10] <g0twig> sort of useless to me
[18:11] <kurugah> you are the local bot here?
[18:11] <g0twig> kurugah: excuse me?
[18:11] <kurugah> hehe
[18:11] <kurugah> sry
[18:11] <g0twig> because no other one here is talking?
[18:11] <kurugah> yeah
[18:11] <g0twig> I find it kind of frustating
[18:11] <kurugah> and the topic was kind of weired
[18:12] <g0twig> which topic
[18:12] <g0twig> recipes scope?
[18:12] <kurugah> yeah
[18:12] <g0twig> no it isnt damn
[18:12] <kurugah> haha sry again
[18:12] <g0twig> scopes are essential to unity
[18:12] <kurugah> yes i think so to
[18:12] <kurugah> can you help get my first going?
[18:13] <g0twig> kurugah: maybe. I havent used the new API yet
[18:13] <g0twig> kurugah: you talked about a "lens"?
[18:13] <g0twig> dont you talk about "master scope"?
[18:13] <g0twig> because I think master scope replaces the word "lens"
[18:13] <kurugah> interresting
[18:14] <g0twig> kurugah: which language is your scope written in
[18:14] <kurugah> python with the quickly thingie
[18:14] <g0twig> and why?
[18:14] <g0twig> better learn this http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/
[18:14] <kurugah> i thought it was a quick way to get started
[18:15] <g0twig> I hate this quickly thing..
[18:15] <kurugah> ok me too now
[18:15] <g0twig> why
[18:15] <kurugah> cause the doku sux
[18:15] <g0twig> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/
[18:15] <g0twig> read this
[18:15] <g0twig> this is the future for unity
[18:15] <g0twig> developers shouldnt write python anymore
[18:16] <g0twig> I am probably also going to port my code
[18:16] <kurugah> hmm
[18:16] <g0twig> glatzor_: sup
[18:16] <g0twig> kurugah: kind of a shame that so little people are active here in the chat...
[18:17] <g0twig> because unity is the base of ubuntu
[18:17] <kurugah> yeah how come?
[18:17] <g0twig> maybe because its weekend
[18:17] <g0twig> I saw more active people during the normal work week
[18:17] <g0twig> kurugah: do you know python
[18:17] <g0twig> kurugah: what is your primary programming language of choice
[18:18] <kurugah> idk i am a web frontend guy
[18:18] <g0twig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrVC5dm5fFc&feature=endscreen
[18:18] <g0twig> lol...
[18:18] <kurugah> so its js an dc#
[18:19] <g0twig> c#? ...
[18:19] <kurugah> yeah thats not by choice
[18:20] <kurugah> so what do you work in most of the time?
[18:21] <kurugah> or is the conversation over now because i outed myself?
[18:21] <g0twig> :D
[18:21] <g0twig> I am a poor student
[18:22] <g0twig> I take the language which I need..
[18:22] <g0twig> currently I program with Javascript and SP.jS
[18:22] <g0twig> SharePoint javascript..
[18:22] <g0twig> if people show me they are interessted in a better recipes scope, I am going to work on it
[18:22] <g0twig> but it seems there is not really an interesst
[18:23] <g0twig> kurugah: which scope are you working on
[18:23] <g0twig> kurugah: what is your idea
[18:23] <kurugah> its just a self educational thingy
[18:23] <kurugah> google search
[18:23] <g0twig> oh noes :D
[18:24] <g0twig> you should do something productive
[18:24] <g0twig> try to do the tutorial I linked you
[18:25] <kurugah> well that wouldnt be productive either, would it
[18:27] <g0twig> you can learn the new world order
[18:27] <g0twig> so do it ;D
[18:28] <kurugah> maybe after i finish this one
[18:29] <g0twig> kurugah: I tell you its useless to learn the old python way, but if you want.. do it
[18:29] <g0twig> ashams: hey there
[18:29] <kurugah> hehe
[18:30] <kurugah> btw do you know if there are any redmine scopes out there?
[18:30] <kurugah> that would be something i want
[18:30] <kurugah> if thats even possible
[18:32] <g0twig> redmine
[18:32] <g0twig> like Ruby?
[18:33] <kurugah> the project management app yeah its ruby but exposes a rest api
[18:34] <g0twig> Ruby is not a very fast language
[18:34] <g0twig> kurugah: how old are you
[18:34] <kurugah> so what? i would need a lens to search for tickets and stuff it would be nice doesnt matter that redmine itself is not so fast
[18:36] <g0twig> I dont know what redmine has to do with this here
[18:36] <g0twig> your application just has to offer a DBUS interface
[18:38] <g0twig> how old are you
[18:38] <kurugah> 31 y?
[18:38] <kurugah> where do you the the recipies from in your thingy?
[18:41] <g0twig> oh, I am 18 years old
[18:41] <g0twig> where I get the recipes from?
[18:41] <g0twig> I use different providers
[18:42] <g0twig> Recipefy, recipepuppy official. Inofficial cooksunited, and chefkoch
[18:42] <g0twig> around 300,000 recipes (with the infofficial scopes)
[18:42] <kurugah> ok and these providers use dbus?
[18:42] <g0twig> I had to remove cooksunited and chefkoch support, because they wanted to nearly sue me
[18:42] <g0twig> it seems
[18:42] <g0twig> kurugah: of course they dont use dbus. Do you know what dbus is?
[18:42] <kurugah> yes
[18:43] <kurugah> redmine doesnt use dbus either
[18:43] <g0twig> kurugah: how can you ask this question..
[18:43] <kurugah> i wanted to make a point
[18:43] <g0twig> kurugah: your scope talks with unity via dbus, not the sources for your data
[18:43] <g0twig> however you get the data, is your problem
[18:45] <kurugah> yeah i know that
[18:47] <g0twig> kurugah: do you want to help me with my scope?
[18:48] <kurugah> w8 im ordering pizza
[18:51] <g0twig> :3
[19:00] <g0twig> philipballew: hey
[19:00] <g0twig> hggdh: hey
[19:01] <g0twig> "Notice that while the current API uses DBus, the goal is to make the execution backend transparent to scope autors, so the way to run scopes described here might change in the near future." http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/
[19:03] <philipballew> thanks for that
[19:03] <g0twig> philipballew: for what?
[19:04] <philipballew> you said hello...
[19:04] <g0twig> philipballew: ^^
[19:04] <g0twig> philipballew: how are you
[19:04] <philipballew> godbyk, Alright! Yourself?
[19:05] <g0twig> philipballew: not bad ;D
[19:05] <g0twig> philipballew: I try to find a crew of scope developers...
[19:05] <philipballew> g0twig, where in the world do you live?
[19:06] <g0twig> philipballew: the lovely Germany
[19:06] <g0twig> philipballew: oh, you are Ubuntu Member
[19:06] <philipballew> g0twig, Oh wow. I have never been to europe. Must be nice. Also finding developers is hard
[19:06] <philipballew> and yes, I am an Ubuntu member.
[19:07] <g0twig> me too ;P
[19:07] <g0twig> philipballew: you brang your culture to us, yaiks ;X
[19:08] <philipballew> g0twig, We try to please here in California.
[19:09] <g0twig> philipballew: are you a scope developer
[19:09] <philipballew> g0twig, No.
[19:09] <philipballew> Are you
[19:09] <philipballew> ?
[19:09] <g0twig> I've been one, long time ago
[19:09] <g0twig> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/hungry-new-cooking-lens-brings-recipefy-to-ubuntu
[19:09] <g0twig> doesnt that look damn tasty :D
[19:10] <g0twig> did it for my mum
[19:11] <philipballew> g0twig, oh nice. The things we do for moms.
[19:12] <g0twig> wow, there is a Libunity debugging tool. Awesome
[19:12] <g0twig> never knew about that
[19:12] <g0twig> philipballew: in fact I did it for myself, to get more food...
[19:12] <g0twig> from my mum :D
[19:14] <g0twig> wow, I found gold..
[19:14] <g0twig> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/3/
[19:18] <g0twig> philipballew: do you develop stuff
[19:18] <philipballew> godbyk, not really. I would make bad stuff
[19:19] <philipballew> I'm better with people than computers
[19:19] <g0twig> philipballew: I am not godbyk, btw.
[19:19] <philipballew> I assumed as such
[19:22] <g0twig> our developer pages are great
[19:23] <g0twig> and I am happy to see that we finally got an official SDK
[19:36] <g0twig> if anyone cares...
[19:36] <g0twig> seriously...
[19:45] <g0twig> mhall119: =) ?